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If you'd prefer not to receive these messages, simply /mode $YourNick -w (where $YourNick, naturally, is the nick you're using) ... we appreciate your using the Open Projects Network, and hope you have a pleasant day. 00:13:38 Morbus (morbus@s82.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:14:26 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:20:39 * sbp tunes into WXYT... 00:45:46 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 00:46:24 wmf 00:46:30 wmf 00:46:30 wmf 00:46:35 welcom wmf 00:46:36 swhack 00:46:37 swhack 00:46:38 swhack 00:46:47 * AaronSw dances 00:46:47 hey bensw 00:46:47 s/welcom/welcome/ 00:46:58 wmf, wmf, wmf could become the new OONTZ 00:47:27 Wh-im-ph? AaronSw 00:48:02 how would you pronunce it? 00:48:11 woomph 00:50:02 hmm 00:50:34 * jeremiah thinks there needs to be an XSL template to translate dave's blogroll OPML files into RDF 00:51:26 that sounds like a job for... redmonk! 00:52:12 well the idea behind it is great, having people rate websites through links 00:52:29 and specified links at that 00:52:49 I'm reading the RDF primer and am sort of excited about Plesh again 00:53:19 heh: "Windows is only cheaper than Mac if your time has no value" 00:54:54 so I used to want to make everything have XMLRPC interfaces 00:55:01 now I want everything to have RDF 00:55:08 woohoo! 00:55:30 of course I think there is still use for RPC 00:55:45 or at least maybe there needs to be a better way to "put" information 00:55:48 other than CGI 00:56:22 bensw is now known as BenSw 00:56:38 WOPN is up! Stop by #WOPN for details ... everyone have a great day :) 00:57:02 * BenSw is listenin 00:57:07 aaronsw: what kind of actual human interfaces have been recommended for all of this RDF data? 00:57:47 Most work has been done for specific types of RDF data now, I think. 00:57:55 There are a bunch of people trying to build RDF browsers tho... 00:57:58 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:58:06 Oh, and that Haystack stuff is awesome! 00:58:12 I don't know if most people would want to use an RDF browser 00:58:12 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 00:58:15 .google haystack 00:58:38 http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$7115?mode=topic 00:58:39 * jeremiah notes there isn't a bot 00:58:51 err http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$7134?mode=day 00:59:28 heh 00:59:28 They demoed at WWW2002, the stuff is really nice. 00:59:52 you can embed RDF into html files, right? 00:59:57 yep 01:00:00 cool 01:00:08 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:00:23 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 01:00:43 I think the big problem will always be that no one wants to look up a format that they have to follow, they just want to make a document 01:01:01 ooh, they redid their website: http://haystack.lcs.mit.edu/ 01:01:09 they have some new screenshots in the same directory 01:01:24 I don't like the sound of "Ozone Personal Edition" 01:02:09 why's that? 01:02:23 because it implies an expensive professional edition? 01:02:31 yep, exactly 01:02:49 * wmf shudders at the thought of Scopeware pricing 01:02:50 because it sounds like you have to buy your own atmosphere 01:03:03 they want to charge you for the air you breath... 01:03:35 I asked them about that 01:04:00 They said that it's totally open source, they just have this commercial inferiority complex. 01:04:06 phew 01:04:08 hmm 01:04:14 well, they didn't say it like that 01:04:29 but that's basically what it boiled down to 01:04:36 I just hope I can get them to release before they're bought out. 01:04:51 good point 01:04:51 heh, the song on WOPN right now is pretty funny. "Ramen Noodles and Some Jolt" 01:04:58 so since mozilla has all this RDF stuff built in, it should be easy to make a little app that acts like the "digital dashboard" john robb keeps talking about using Radio for 01:05:32 M-logging? 01:05:43 hmm? 01:05:43 * AaronSw snorts 01:06:01 Mozilla-logging 01:06:33 I suppose it's supposed to be O-Zone not Ozone 01:06:37 like "the zone of O" 01:09:27 i think it's an oxygen pun 01:09:35 probably 01:09:49 I'm so out of it I'm loosing the meanings to thinks right and left 01:09:55 tommorow is the last day of exams 01:10:02 I think it's time to beg them for code again. 01:10:09 exams are an absolutely brutal and rediculus concept 01:10:24 yep 01:10:34 * BenSw is awat 01:10:39 * BenSw is away 01:10:42 information flows through me and the important stuff stays 01:10:55 I'm not an information bucket, I'm a net 01:12:16 lol, Alice and Bob are special guests in the Cryptography group at MIT 01:12:36 of course 01:12:45 I bet they have offices. 01:12:57 Hm, actually I walked around that floor. I didn't see any. 01:13:41 * AaronSw looks for people he can talk into sending him contraband haystack code 01:14:57 heh 01:15:11 I am leet, give me warez 01:15:32 that works on cory 01:15:53 I was like, I am leet, please give me your novels 01:15:57 and he emailed them to me 01:16:07 cool 01:16:45 now he's spamming me with 10% discounts on wolfram's book 01:16:58 i already have two copies... anyone here interested? 01:17:11 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-102-26.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 01:17:16 * jeremiah is 01:17:23 me, me 01:17:24 I was gonna buy it until I realized I'm poor 01:18:14 it's $40, down from $44: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=love102-20&path=stl/3MK4V07B7B8Z3 01:18:27 hi all 01:18:41 hey redmonk. wanna write a script to convert blogroll.opml files to rdf? 01:18:42 aaronsw: I've been using/abusing my public library lately 01:18:45 its so much cheaper 01:18:58 yeah, i never buy books 01:18:59 much less selection 01:19:03 aaronsw: whoo knows? i have a lot of time right about now 01:19:06 interlibrary loan, man 01:19:11 I might hit-up the w&m library soon 01:19:17 redmonk, cool! 01:19:28 not really. i just got fired. 01:19:49 what?!?! 01:19:54 really? 01:19:59 really. 01:20:06 long long story. 01:20:34 i've got two weeks severance, so i'll end up with two more paychecks 01:20:37 which is good. 01:20:42 You finally get your app deployed and then they fire you? 01:20:42 but i'm out on my butt 01:20:54 well, the deployment didn't go so hot. 01:21:00 actually, it didn't go. 01:22:07 anyway... 01:22:22 * jeremiah apologizes for ducking out so early but explains that tommorow holds his final two exams and then he'll be free 01:22:48 good luck 01:22:49 i'm now looking for another job. 01:22:55 thanks sbp 01:23:15 Well, at least you didn't get fired for hanging out on IRC... it was a second-degree effect of hanging out on IRC. 01:23:23 Shoot, that means it's still my fault. 01:23:45 heh. don't worry, I was not fired for hanging out on IRC. 01:24:23 Right, you were fired because your app didn't work, because you were hanging out on IRC when you wrote it. 01:24:31 you rolled out a new app and got immediately downsized? 01:24:58 I guess the app didn't have enough job security code 01:25:47 not really. they're scrapping WebObjects for the app. handing it over to a DOT-NOT programmer 01:26:10 too much job security code, then 01:26:27 AccordianGuy is the only dot-not programmer I know. 01:26:27 yeah 01:26:52 AaronSw: you're not thinking like a PHB 01:27:07 *sigh* 01:27:27 . o O ( dot-not -> popularity -> accordians -> hot chicks ) 01:27:37 heh 01:27:40 * AaronSw gives redmonk a hug 01:28:02 It'll be ok. You can always work for UserLand. 01:28:15 * redmonk runs screaming into a wall 01:28:24 lol: http://scriptingnews.userland.com/backissues/2002/06/13#When:1:37:51PM 01:28:36 come on AaronSw, don't traumatize him 01:28:41 splutch and make it all better 01:30:00 Morbus (morbus@s107.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:30:20 hi Morbus 01:30:32 Morb's deploying an app today. 01:30:43 see http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2002/06/13/#i1024002651.914514 01:30:47 heh. 01:30:59 "AmphetaDesk Exclusive: 0.93 imminent, or port to Java by alien fungus-programmers? Its creator reveals all" 01:31:11 monk. hey. 01:31:16 do me a favor, eh? 01:31:16 you have a moemnt? 01:31:26 lol 01:31:27 i need one of you to test os x and one of you to test the source, if you can 01:31:31 this is hilarious 01:31:39 win32 is covered. 01:31:50 wmf, what? 01:31:53 Morbus, i'm up for it 01:31:58 the interview? 01:32:03 the interview 01:32:09 ah. thx 01:32:27 k, test out the os x version at sf.net/projects/amphetadesk 01:32:28 I should book you guys as guest hosts on HTP TV 01:32:44 heh, heh 01:32:47 heh! 01:32:53 heh 01:33:13 can someone test out the source dl? 01:33:37 i'll take source 01:33:45 ooh, i wanna be on HTP TV! 01:33:47 and os x? 01:35:04 please don't tell me this tgz just spit up all over my downloads folder 01:35:09 I can't wait till Rael has gotten a complete blogging system to fit in a .sig 01:35:34 heh, heh. probably. 01:35:36 heh, that's totally next 01:35:43 * AaronSw kills Morbus 01:35:53 that's the source? 01:35:53 after all, he's got an aggregator in 55 lines of perl 01:36:09 Morbus, yes 01:36:14 first reviews of 0.93 are in, and users are calling for Morbus's head! 01:36:16 k. i'll reupload in a bit. 01:36:18 heh. now i can clean a bunch of shit off my hard drive 01:36:22 heh, heh! 01:36:32 in perl the difference between 55 lines and 1 is pretty small 01:36:47 aggregating will probably be built into perl6 so it'll be like 01:36:49 right 01:36:51 @*TY#&*!*^#&~~!!!! 01:36:54 lol 01:37:00 you just change all the variables to be one letter 01:37:04 heh 01:37:06 and amphetadesk will come in at a whopping 1MB 01:37:11 err, i mean two lines 01:37:33 and a 20k binary ;) 01:37:38 x=2l;kw93j(@#(#)839Xa9#90323834893woD-==3--$=';3893aS(38wA948_W+)->383 01:37:38 AaronSw, i see how you used the @ and # modifiers to make it output as an outline, superb! 01:37:48 thank you 01:38:31 * AaronSw installs HTTP::Date 01:39:40 AaronSw: uploading a new source. will be a bit. 01:39:43 i'll probably get disconnected . 01:39:55 have you tried the os x version yet? 01:39:57 does it have any code changes? 01:40:11 i'll grab os x now 01:40:32 no, but it has the binary. 01:40:37 you don't need the HTTP::Date crap with it. 01:40:39 or, you shouldn;t. 01:40:52 i meant does the version you're uploading have code changes 01:41:00 no, just a parent folder. 01:41:06 Morbus: i got fired today - think DW will hire me? :) 01:41:06 ok 01:41:14 you got fired? 01:41:15 what the frel for? 01:41:21 and no. Dave Winer hates your guts. 01:41:22 long story. 01:41:24 i told him you were working for me. 01:41:26 :) 01:41:28 heh, crAzy icon 01:41:32 :) 01:41:33 you didn't! 01:41:37 all the imagery changed. 01:41:40 god, i'll never get a link again 01:41:42 lol 01:41:43 heh, heh. 01:41:45 "Can't open perl script '/Volumes/AmphetaDesk'" 01:41:55 try moving to the HD 01:42:01 wait, really? 01:42:06 ah, good call 01:42:07 it worked .. goddamit. 01:42:12 you need one of those invisible folder thingies 01:42:19 that say "jerk! move it to your hd" 01:42:20 is there an AmphetaDesk.pl in that image? 01:42:33 no, doesn't look like it 01:42:37 just the aqua app 01:42:37 ok. 01:42:40 wait about 20 minutes. 01:42:44 heh 01:42:44 i screwed up the first upload. 01:42:48 and uploaded again. 01:42:50 Wings have won the cup, BTW 01:42:52 good thing you got alpha testers 01:42:53 you probably have a cached version. 01:43:08 do you know what mirror you dled it from? 01:43:13 cos I dled a copy, and it did come with the pl 01:43:14 us.dl 01:43:20 west? 01:43:35 what's wrong with this picture? http://www.thinksecret.com/features/jaguarmiscellaneous/images/bluetoothfileexchangeabout.html 01:44:08 Morbus, 204.157.3.229 01:44:18 wmf, i don't know, what? 01:44:53 AaronSw: filesize on the .gz should be 1402523 01:45:03 1406857 01:45:04 somehow the combination of bluetooth and an iMac just doesn't work for me. I imagine BT being used on portable machines 01:45:16 hm 01:45:25 yeah, you got the bad one. 01:45:25 wait about 20 01:45:42 that's about how long this recursive get of CPAN is going to take 01:46:05 i'm not sure why it needs to download a Toke for HTTP::Date 01:46:30 cos HTTP::Date is part of HTTP::Parser which requires tons of ass. 01:47:26 AaronSw: http://west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/amphetadesk/amphetadesk-osx-v0.93.dmg.gz 01:47:27 try that one. 01:47:53 lol, I love TimBL's comment in the interview 01:48:03 holy turd. 01:48:07 someone just contributed money to ampheta. 01:48:09 woot. 01:49:32 AaronSw: any luck? 01:49:41 hold, on, downloading that one now 01:49:59 they call me incessant man 01:51:42 Morbus, the icon looks like a short lightsaber when it's real small 01:51:48 Can't locate File/Listing.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /Applications/AmphetaDesk/lib /Applications/AmphetaDesk/AmphetaDesk.app/Contents/Perl/Library/darwin /Applications/AmphetaDesk/AmphetaDesk.app/Contents/Perl/Library /System/Library/Perl/darwin /System/Library/Perl /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl /Library/Perl /Network/Library/Perl/darwin /Network/Library/Perl /Network/Library/Perl .) at /Applications/AmphetaDesk/AmphetaDesk.app/Contents/Perl/Library/LWP/Pr 01:51:48 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /Applications/AmphetaDesk/AmphetaDesk.app/Contents/Perl/Library/LWP/Protocol/ftp.pm line 15. 01:51:48 Compilation failed in require at /Applications/AmphetaDesk/AmphetaDesk.app/../AmphetaDesk.pl line 39. 01:51:49 heheheh 01:51:53 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /Applications/AmphetaDesk/AmphetaDesk.app/../AmphetaDesk.pl line 39. 01:52:04 I don't think that's suppopsed to happen 01:52:08 well, that's a new one. 01:52:25 i've never even heard of File::Listing/ 01:53:12 AaronSw: install File::Listing 01:53:18 i've never even heard of it. but it exists on my box 01:53:24 i thought it was supposed to come with!!! 01:53:52 it's supposed to include all nonstandard modules. 01:54:01 this is apparently nonstandard 01:54:04 you're the second of 10 testers who've had problems with the os x version. 01:54:11 which is odd. 01:54:18 i've tested on people with and without devtools 01:54:19 cpan> install File::Listing 01:54:19 File::Listing is up to date. 01:54:23 -r--r--r-- 1 root admin 8380 Mar 20 1999 Listing.pm 01:54:33 in /Library/Perl/File 01:54:43 ah, now it's working 01:54:47 ? 01:55:07 whee, it's up 01:55:25 what'd you do? 01:55:35 i guess it came with the rest of HTTP::* 01:55:49 ah, yes it did 01:56:07 huh. 01:56:07 k. 01:58:13 ugh, CPAN is downloading a new version of perl 01:58:23 mwhahaa 01:58:36 CPAN ends up screwing up my system every time I use it 01:58:41 lol. 01:58:41 cancel it. 01:58:44 i did 01:58:45 yeah, same here. 01:58:48 i hate the perl config question 01:58:49 s 01:58:49 dependencies spiraling out of control... 01:58:52 they go on forever 01:59:06 "Are you running Munix? Funix? Tunix? Blunix? Runix? 01:59:11 it wouldn't be so bad if perl actually compiled well on os x ;) 01:59:26 do you wear pants? dance? do you have sconces? 01:59:26 Do you have a weird gethostname that only three people in the world actually have and that we'll confuse you y writing for 5000 pagfes about? 01:59:26 "Do you think my daugher is hot? [y]" 01:59:37 is this ball bouncing: ****** 02:00:06 Morbus, what's up with this? 007\'s Domain - www.007sdomain.com 02:00:10 backslashes? 02:00:22 blame syndic8. 02:00:25 actually, blame radio. 02:00:30 it's literally part of his fee.d 02:00:34 heh 02:00:48 i checked that too :) 02:01:24 you need an ACCOUNT_FOR_DORKINESS option 02:02:15 redmonk has quit ("cya") 02:02:30 ooh, i can spam straight from ampheta 02:02:48 heh, heh. 02:03:03 keeping your best interests at heart, i am. 02:03:43 "Each time AmphetaDesk contacts the outside world, it'll wait 10 seconds for a response from the remote server before giving up." -- it says 10 seconds even when i changed it to 15 02:05:39 Smackdown! Amphy vs. Spamplesh 02:05:47 AaronSw: you mean in the descroption? or the input? 02:05:57 descroption 02:06:01 intentional 02:06:14 suckyial 02:06:18 heh. 02:06:19 file a bug, bitch ;) 02:06:25 i'll fix it. 02:06:28 do i mention that the default is 10? 02:06:49 i don't think so 02:06:53 k 02:06:56 i'll fix it. 02:07:00 hwo come i have tow items saying the feed is generated by syp, when it's not? 02:07:16 ... you shouldn't 02:07:29 * AaronSw takes it to disobey 02:07:30 oh. 02:07:39 you probably downloaded the channel before I updated the website 02:07:41 which i just barely did. 02:07:47 http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/news.html 02:07:50 and news.xml 02:07:58 I saw http://chaos.fullerton.edu/~jimw/kill-time/#note12 and thought of sbp 02:09:21 heh, cool. "Yakka foob mog. Grug pubbawup zink wattoom gazork. Chumble spuzz." 02:14:33 RE ASH 02:15:03 Hey there 02:21:05 MorbusIff (morbus@s108.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 02:22:29 Morbus has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: MorbusIff!morbus@s108.terminal3.totalnetnh.net))) 02:22:55 MorbusIff is now known as Morbus 02:24:18 Gotta run 02:25:41 tansaku_xc (~sam@mtl13gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 02:28:10 AaronSw, sbp: http://www.librarystuff.net/ 02:30:16 BenSw has quit () 02:40:53 too many windows! 02:48:05 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:00:37 Morbus (morbus@s108.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 03:01:34 Aaron: gonna have to get deus to make a new os x .app. just had a second report. 03:01:50 hm 03:02:25 btw: jon udell saw/read the interview 03:02:27 [off] I saw that. You all are clearly having too much fun :-) 03:02:54 hehehe 03:03:01 good thing he didn't link 03:03:08 yet, at least ;) 03:04:30 did you see librarystuff.net? 03:04:37 aargh, now amphy wants Compress::Zlib 03:04:44 it never ends, does it 03:04:48 huh? 03:04:54 i thought you said you had it working 03:05:00 the mac version 03:05:20 now i'm trying src 03:05:29 ah. 03:05:33 you can actually comment on that line. 03:05:39 its currently not used. 03:05:50 it was merely added for future use so I wouldn't have to recreate the wrappers 03:05:51 good, cuz zlib fails its tests 03:06:03 yeah, "force install Compress::Zlib" will shut that up ;) 03:06:21 XML::Parser now 03:06:26 can you make a list of these things? 03:06:35 check the README.txt, bitch. 03:07:17 ugh, it can't find expat 03:07:28 check the readme.txt bitch! 03:07:30 goddamint. 03:08:04