00:07:36 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 00:12:44 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 00:13:00 swhack! 00:20:04 wmf! 00:20:26 howdy 00:26:08 heh, I just downloaded the source to an app and found one C file and about 17 files worth of auto* garbage 00:27:48 was this GNU helloworld? 00:28:05 no, slightly more complex than that 00:28:18 GNU hello world is pretty funny, actually 00:28:28 oops, it's just GNU hello 00:28:38 'Writing a program that prints "Hello, world!" is the classic beginner's programming task. The GNU version takes this a step further by processing its argument list to modify its behavior, by supporting internationalization, and by including a mail reader; it's a true demonstration of how to write programs that do these things. ' 00:28:57 "The GNU `hello' program produces a familiar, friendly greeting. It allows nonprogrammers to use a classic computer science tool which would otherwise be unavailable to them. " 00:38:13 the shifted librarian has the best rss file, according to google 00:40:54 hee: 00:40:54 $ ./hello --help 00:40:54 This is GNU Hello, THE greeting printing program. 00:41:16 lol @ --mail 00:41:42 * Zork output compatibility has been added. 00:43:26 I hope to get my scalable video broadcasting network 00:43:26 functional enough by WTFCon to broadcast live feeds over 00:43:27 it from the conference. 00:43:40 ooh 00:46:59 Morbus (morbus@s102.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:49:59 sigh: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/articles/xml_resource_feed.html 00:51:38 why the sigh? 00:52:44 I hope to get my scalable video broadcasting network 00:52:44 functional enough by WTFCon to broadcast live feeds over 00:52:50 why not RSS? 00:53:02 OK, that is NOT what was on my clipboard 00:53:10 http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/11/science/11WOLF.html 00:53:56 wmf, i think your clipboard has been taken over by Microsoft's helpful assitant "clippy" 00:54:30 lemonodor has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:54:32 clippy! 00:55:03 heh, clippy. that lovable little paperclip 00:55:32 they interviewed ed fredkin for that article? what pushovers 00:55:50 wolfram was ed fredkin's student 00:56:33 heh, "chronic inability to share credit" 00:56:38 you should see his copyright notice! 00:57:05 he says that anyone who uses any of the things in the book must give him credit explicitly 00:57:26 that doesn't sound enforceable 00:58:01 he said this using only a full page of size 7 type 00:58:10 (with many citations to his website for further details) 00:58:18 ah, so no one will read it anyway 00:58:32 i doubt it's enforcable 01:05:10 * AaronSw plays "Deeper Blues" 01:05:55 heh 01:15:16 Good morning, everyone. We're testing a new concept here on Open Projects, and we're calling it WOPN ... it's an ogg vorbis stream where we'll play free music, host interviews with people in the community, and all around just have a good time. If you're interested in helping us test it, please stop by #WOPN for links to the servers. The streams are currently up, and we'd love to have you help us test it out. 01:16:36 Also, if you're a musician or know any who wouldn't mind allowing us to showcase their music for free, please contact me at mysticone@openprojects.net ... we need all the free music we can get, and several contributions have already been made by the Alpha Conspiracy, Pajama Crisis, and Difference Engine. Thanks also to the Ogg Vorbis project for making this possible. 01:17:07 These are wallops messages, non-critical news and information about the Open Projects Network. If you'd prefer not to receive these messages, simply /mode YourNick -w. Thank you for using the Open Projects Network. 01:55:33 redmonk has quit ("cya") 01:57:02 wmf has quit ("[BX] Tony the Tiger uses BitchX. Its Grrrrrrrrreat!") 02:03:07 moz party tomorrow 02:09:35 lemonodor (~lemonodor@user-11211a9.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #swhack 02:21:45 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:34:26 Morbus has quit (No route to host) 02:40:39 deltab (~deltab@usr1061-bh2.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #swhack 02:40:48 ooh, deltab from home! 02:41:06 plz do not haxor me k thx 02:42:40 lol! 02:42:44 deltab has been inhabited! 02:42:54 I think I need to switch IRC clients... ooh, IRCStep.app 02:43:04 "this application is prohibited distributing widly" 02:43:06 (he's japanese) 02:43:16 "IRC is a protocol developed taking the chat as a purpose. It is possible that this overwhelmingly enjoys high response chat to which is more low-loaded than Chat and conference room based on WWW in many people numbers. 02:43:19 " 02:43:25 All 1549 scanned ports on usr1061-bh2.blueyonder.co.uk (62.30.236.55) are: closed 02:45:35 AaronSw1 (~aaronsw@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:45:57 Wow, this is the scariest IRC client I've ever seen. 02:46:09 screenshots? 02:46:21 http://www.virtualmemory.net/aova/next/ircstep/indexE.html 02:49:05 AaronSw1 has left #swhack 02:49:28 AaronSw1 (~aaronsw@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:49:35 thats almost as scary as mullholand dr. is confusing 02:52:53 tansaku_xc has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 02:53:21 * Too Bad English. 02:53:21 Sorry. I welcome to your fixing. 02:55:50 * Opinions and impression and operation reports, etc. are welcomed. 02:55:50 The kind of the message board is the crop vagina chestnut. Or, 02:57:31 what?? 02:57:47 hehe 02:58:12 * There is no manual in which that it waits is also ? 02:58:12 The priority is low coming work schedule. 02:58:32 * There is a want function. 02:59:54 * It is the GUI base. 03:00:00 * The fact is proven in the change of the icon, when there is a 03:00:00 conversation, when minitualized or, it is hidden Window, ( the 03:00:00 OPENSTEP edition in the minimization ). 03:00:03 so there 03:00:22 I've what fact? 03:02:51 AaronSw1 has quit ("aargh, this sucks") 03:03:14 It is the GUI base. 03:03:24 Oh. 03:03:42 hm, maybe ircle will work. 03:03:54 "NARUTO" is the food of Japan. It is steamed-wounded-extended-fish meat 03:03:55 paste 03:04:27 http://www.virtualmemory.net/aova/next/ircstep/keywordE.html#naruto 03:05:53 ooh, drag and drop 03:05:53 Hm, no luck so far. it's got a license agreement with no accept button. 03:07:02 I had plans to do d&d features in my irc client, years ago 03:08:02 you had an irc client? 03:08:08 Snak has drag and drop, it's very nice 03:08:12 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:08:15 plans for one 03:09:01 there was no readily available TCP/IP for RISC OS at the time though 03:09:32 Are you still on RISC OS? 03:09:41 what client do you use now? 03:09:42 so I tried implementing that 03:09:47 AaronSw` (~aaronsw@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 03:09:49 for my end-of-course exam 03:10:38 This client seems a lot more workable. 03:11:07 I haven't particularly used RISC OS in a few years 03:11:18 what kind of option is this: "Maximum # of clones on a channel" 03:11:36 not sure 03:11:54 I'm currently using BitchX on Linux 03:12:19 and configuring it again so that it's usable 03:12:32 what were you using before? 03:13:10 earlier tonight, ircii, but before that BitchX 03:13:16 been using that for a while 03:13:27 ah, ok. 03:13:31 over a year 03:13:44 fwiw, i like this deltab better. he's much more responsive ;-) 03:14:35 when I used X, I ran xchat for a while 03:14:55 but I seemed to spend most of my time flipping between pages 03:15:35 each channel had its own page, and only one could be displayed at a time 03:16:06 Yeah, snak striked an interesting balance. Every channel has its own page, but you can tab as many as you want in as many configs as you want 03:16:25 * AaronSw` wonders how to integrate inputline with text window 03:16:29 i use ctr+alt+right|left to switch tabs in xchat 03:17:40 Hm, think i crashed ircle already 03:17:51 that counts it out 03:17:53 AaronSw, did you see my insanity about new user interfaces? 03:18:03 don't think so 03:18:23 hey, bx scrolls usably quickly on my machine 03:18:36 http://ipwebdev.com/radio/2002/06/11.php#a193 03:18:41 if only it could do keyword folding, it's be useful 03:18:44 after the first two rhymes i had to stop 03:18:59 AaronSw` has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:20:01 thelsdj: reminds me of Lifestreams 03:20:11 at leat, the little I know about that 03:20:22 yeah, same here 03:20:39 the descriptive documents about Lifestreams seem to have disappeared 03:20:57 is that what it was called? 03:21:04 i read some article about this like over a year ago and i could never find it again 03:21:39 i wish snak wouldn't crash so much, but the author can't seem to fix anything but reproducable bugs 03:21:52 too bad. doesn't seem like there's anything better 03:22:23 hm, i wonder if JediKnight's improved at all 03:28:04 aw, how cute. to register you donate to the red cross 03:28:40 AaronSw_ (~aaronsw@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 03:28:55 cute icons! 03:29:08 darth vader fo rop/deop 03:29:18 /whois AaronSw_ 03:29:32 that's a ba sign 03:31:37 whee, alpha! 03:32:06 and unicode 03:35:22 but no way to combine channels. that's sort of a biggie 03:36:56 Respect the Web before it respects you! 03:38:01 /moe 03:39:53 huh? where do you want me to moe? 03:40:08 sorry. feature wasn't enabled 03:40:19 it was supposed to say i was an idiot 03:40:39 AaronSw_ has left #swhack 03:42:23 that's implied 03:43:40 * sbp wonders why "moe" 03:44:15 simpsons reference, i assume 03:46:19 Gotta run 03:46:49 my left arm is killing me 03:46:56 slowly 03:49:22 i better sleep. nite 04:11:58 tansaku_xc (~sam@mtl13gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 04:48:03 lemonodor has left #swhack 05:44:50 tansaku_xc has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 08:06:03 tansaku_xc (~sam@mtl13gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 08:32:57 tansaku_xc has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 09:51:41 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:51:59 anyone up yet? 09:52:32 redmonk has quit (Client Quit) 09:52:53 no 10:44:07 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 11:33:40 BenSw (~aaronsw@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 11:44:06 gotta run 11:52:37 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 12:05:12 AaronSw: what's your schedule for today? you gonna be around? 12:05:19 i'm gonna need you to 301 a sYP URL for me. 12:31:50 http://www.mikemcbrideonline.com/articles/newsags2.html 12:33:57 reading. 13:02:02 AaarroOonnn. 13:12:53 [[[ 13:12:53 [10:13] Hee hee. You're the friendliest face this place has ever had. 13:12:53 [10:13] heh. i just like your name. 13:12:53 [10:14] if you came in with something like "uber12398", i'd ignore you. 13:12:53 [10:14] :) 13:12:55 ]]] 13:30:02 bitsko (~KenMacLeo@66.187.196.132) has joined #swhack 13:56:30 wow. quiet. 13:57:59 indeed. 14:29:50 is the registration of Radio Userland done via a serial number? 14:29:53 or a new Root file? 14:30:26 * bitsko shrugs 14:33:00 ah. it is serial based. 14:33:01 http://radio.userland.com/stories/storyReader$10033 14:33:50 I guess one could also just google for the blog name :) 14:34:06 :) 14:37:42 * bitsko googles for how-tos on restoring cars/removing body rust 14:38:26 of course, since this is a Jeep, the easiest way is just to buy a new fiberglass body-tub :) 14:38:45 I'm just looking for band-aids to last thru the summer/winter 15:06:07 heh! "The cycle-switchovers were always spent by sacrificing so that the world would not end. (Sorta like Y2K...)" - http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/singularity 15:17:31 frapnabbit: Mozilla still displays the wrong URI on a temporary redirect 15:18:20 i need aaron to issue a permaRedirect for me. 15:20:04 why? 15:20:22 .xena re-exist 15:21:10 '''To help develop Seppuku, Snively is actively recruiting what he calls "really, really brave C++ programmers." ''' 15:21:25 '''By 'brave' I mean people who are quite familiar and comfortable with current, modern C++ design and implementation idioms. Template parameters can't scare you; you eat Run Time Type Information for breakfast; the Curiously Recurring Template Pattern is the slickest thing since ''' 15:21:38 '''(well, OK, before) the new iMac. You'll be faced with a cross-platform app framework written by a former member of Adobe's InDesign team; he didn't really have time to write any documentation to speak of," said Snively. ''' 15:23:43 sbp: for the new evrsion of ampheta. 15:23:59 I was chatting with someone the other day who commented, "the only thing I like about Java is that it moving people from writing in C++, which is worse" 15:24:24 heh 15:24:44 people who not only write in C++, but revel in all the garbage of which Paul speaks, ought to just be writing in assembler 15:25:06 it definitely has more masochistic pull to it 15:39:51 ooh, Mozilla lets you choose the encoding (of course), and displays an interrobang as an interrobang under UTF-8 16:00:33 heh, Unicode is so great: U+2318 16:00:52 ⌘ for those with good clients 16:01:05 now I'd just need a place to have that translated ;) 16:01:33 I must not have a good client, that came thru in something like UTF-8 16:04:53 uhm... 16:05:26 if it came through in UTF-8, that'd be perfect :-) It's iso-8859-1 that you have to watch out for 16:06:08 it was three octets: e2 8c 98 16:09:31 probably came out in iso-8859-1 16:09:56 a-umlaut, OE, tilde 16:18:33 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 16:28:47 deus_x (~deus_x@adsl-65-42-33-202.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 16:28:50 any good references for credit card/password hiding in web apps? 16:29:14 ie. encrypting cc/pw when stored in the DB, best practices, etc. 16:31:36 thought there was an AskSlashdot... 16:37:12 aha: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/31/1658259&mode=thread&tid=172 16:38:42 [off] sends super secret email off to dave. 16:40:01 [off] ruh roh 16:40:10 [off] heh, heh. 16:40:18 [off] and two days away from v0.93 release. what could it be? 16:40:24 [off] death threats, perhaps? 16:43:00 does [off] actually put it off log/ 16:43:17 now, it does. 16:43:20 tomorrow? not a clue. 16:43:32 hehe 16:50:58 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 16:51:39 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:51:48 there goes sbp. 16:51:55 and all my windows light up. 16:52:34 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 16:52:44 and he returns. 16:52:48 and once again, yes, windows afury. 16:53:57 damn thing 18:06:31 bah. 18:10:11 lemonodor (~wiseman@il-la.la.idealab.com) has joined #swhack 18:14:04 wow, what a great book 18:14:52 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:15:50 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 18:16:26 great fantastic book 18:16:33 ugh 18:16:57 Morbus, let's not make this a common occurance 18:17:04 pff, quit stalling and tell us what it is 18:17:19 oh, the book? 18:17:24 Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom 18:17:35 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Do you accrue whuffie when you're dead? 18:20:06 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack 18:20:10 AaronSw! 18:20:14 make what a common occurence? 18:20:26 the 301? i think that was the last one you were scraping anyways. 18:20:26 redirecting 18:20:35 hm. i forget how to test equuivalence in tcl 18:20:50 yeah, that should be the last one (the previous one being Gamegrene) 18:23:00 ok, fixed 18:23:12 awesome. i super appreciate it. 18:23:27 i hate it when people call and then hang up one second before i pick up the phone 18:48:50 ♜♞♝♛♚♝♞♜ 18:48:50 ♙♙♙♙♙♙♙♙ 18:48:50 □■□■□■□■ 18:48:52 ■□■□■□■□ 18:48:57 □■□■□■□■ 18:48:58 ■□■□■□■□ 18:48:58 ♙♙♙♙♙♙♙♙ 18:49:00 ♖♘♗♕♔♗♘♖ 18:50:43 I need to go to Disney World with Cory 18:50:47 feel free to make a move, anybody :-) 18:51:22 a move? 18:51:31 do you have more as for us? 18:54:47 sorry 18:55:21 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you haven't had a chance, please take a look at http://somegeek.org/status.html (last updated 11 June). The site will be pretty overloaded. Thanks. 18:58:11 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 19:01:58 I think that that book broke your brain 19:05:16 APL? 19:06:04 ah, http://www.acm.org/sigapl/ I presume 19:06:44 oh! it's that nutty obfuscated language developed in the 80's 19:07:35 heh, heh:- 19:07:35 [[[ 19:07:36 APL is too complicated for managers to learn 19:07:36 IRRELEVANT: Managers should spend their time doing what they do best - managing. 19:07:40 ]]] - http://www.acm.org/sigapl/whyapl.htm 19:08:19 s/80's/60's/ 19:15:19 wow, 2190 syndic8 points 19:16:36 oooh. 19:16:42 you're probably higher than me. 19:17:19 * AaronSw does the i've-got-woofie dance 19:17:21 err whuffie 19:18:01 heh. 19:18:06 i knew it was a contest! i knew it! 19:19:52 jeff barr is sending me emails now 19:20:05 "Hi. Why did you just submit 10,000 RSS feeds?" 19:21:45 heh, heh. 19:21:48 tell him Morbus said to. 19:21:53 something about "proving it doesn't scale" 19:22:00 and "he said he hates kearney". 19:22:03 ;) 19:22:04 heh heh heh 19:23:19 erics bookmarklet does wonders. 19:23:31 i just went from 0 feeds to 269 after twoclicks. importing eric's and winer's. 19:23:53 and no duplicates. 19:23:53 * Morbus stretches./ 19:24:08 eric's? 19:26:50 pixel. 19:27:15 'markleting: heh, heh 19:28:00 :) 19:29:24 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0.0/20020530]") 19:33:25 wow: 19:33:26 [[[ 19:33:27 Yesterday, my RSS feed got more hits than the home page, and my RSS feed has been up for less than a week. Home page hits are off significantly, which tells me that a number of people who used to hit the site several times a day (you wonderful people) have plugged my site into their RSS aggregator. Granted, depending on the feed reader you use, you might be hitting the site 50 times a day with it, so there's no way to tell how many people are actually 19:33:27 ]]] 19:34:22 "there's no way to tell how many people are actually"[snip] 19:34:37 how many people are actually using the RSS feed (well, there is, but not with the tool I'm using for log analysis), but it does seem to have taken off like a rocket. 19:35:57 heh. yeah, i've got 3850 hits in my log at the moment from just radio's rss aggregator. which are due to... 80 people. 19:36:11 heh! 19:36:15 can you do a measure of ampheta? 19:36:34 at most, if a person left a default ampheta on all day, it'd hit a feed 8 times. 19:36:39 as opposed to 24, like Radio. 19:36:52 82 hits from 19 ips. 19:36:53 * thelsdj works on a php app which will create 32,000+ rss feeds 19:37:26 well, that's pretty respectable, then. 19:37:39 thats only 320 or so. 19:37:45 a tenfold decrease. 19:46:19 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 19:55:19 lelly (lelly@modem-4015.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 19:58:20 bitsko has left #swhack 20:05:03 * AaronSw flashbakes some more Doctorow 20:05:40 Zooko: "It is gratifying that these brilliant minds use their time machines to retroactively steal all of my ideas." 20:07:52 AaronSw has left #swhack 20:07:57 AaronSw (~Snak@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 20:08:05 aaaaargh 20:12:07 AaronSw: hopefully by the end of the evening i will have created 32,000 more rss feeds :) 20:12:19 uh oh 20:12:20 :-) 20:12:37 32,000+ and growing every day after 20:12:58 heh, heh. whatcha doing? 20:13:02 i'm gonna do a lil php to convert the artist and label pages on discogs.com to rss 20:13:02 be sure to submit them all to syndic8 20:13:04 with my ID. 20:13:15 because you know, I'm "interested" in them all, so "thats ok". 20:13:41 morbus's id is "aaronsw" 20:13:56 right. 20:14:03 AaronSw and I were fucking around one day. 20:14:10 that's what fathers and sons do. 20:14:23 BenSw has left #swhack 20:16:20 ooh, i sense some brothery angst. 20:17:54 AaronSw has changed the topic to: neural nets 20:21:36 lol Morbus 20:21:47 hmm? 20:22:42 Now whenever someone does something I don't like, I can say "you're losing whuffie, buddy" 20:28:13 tomorrow is my 1 months blogging anniversery 20:28:31 s/hs/h/ 20:31:23 how cute: 20:31:24 "Ideal Emails was recently selected as a marketing partner by one of the sites 20:31:25 you supposedly joined (opt-ed into) in order by receive valuable promotional 20:31:25 offers like discounts, free stuff, travel and other money saving offers." 20:31:31 I "supposedly joined", huh? 20:33:29 hmmm what might cause 900+ hits to my site to be with the user agent 'Java1.3.0_02'? is there web bot writen in java out there? 20:36:00 probably. 20:36:05 check robotstxt.org 20:36:46 lol 20:37:09 hmm? 20:37:17 at the robotstxt.org logo 20:37:45 whoa, that's new. 20:37:46 heh, heh. 20:37:59 i read DS. good strip. 20:47:23 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 20:53:01 lelly has quit () 20:57:52 if ANKS was a plot to make munny, it sure worked 20:59:13 how many copies sold? 20:59:27 not sure, but it's already on backorder 20:59:33 looking thru wolfram order history, there's a lot 20:59:42 it's number 2 on amazon, i think 21:00:11 hehe i haven't read more than the first 2 pages of my copy 21:00:33 whats the correct content-type for rss? is it just an text/xml or something? 21:01:33 application/xml+rss 21:04:50