00:27:51 Morbus (morbus@s83.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:30:14 heh, DW on BBC 00:30:22 uh oh 00:30:48 wha? 00:30:51 what for? 00:31:04 "In four programmes, Peter Day looks at the layers of life in Silicon Valley, California...and how the people, the businesses and the place are constantly renewing themselves as they seek out the Next Big Thing." 00:35:00 * AaronSw declares a War on Chitchat 00:35:22 wouldn't it be somehow ironic if dave died in some freak accident right before he was set to unveil the 'Next Big Thing'? 00:35:27 ok i don't even know why i said that 00:35:28 hah 00:35:54 * Morbus goes off to kill Dave. 00:36:59 * AaronSw listens to programme 1 00:37:24 "we have more patents coming out of this area [...] than anywhere in the world" 00:37:25 i'm gonna have to boot into Classic soon. 00:37:25 eqwww. 00:39:53 brzzzzzzzt 00:40:33 "this is a place of extraordinary optimism" 00:41:00 Hi all. Services will be temporarily shut down in a moment to do a bit of testing. Thanks. 00:41:26 "These guys couldn't get laid if their life depended on it." 00:41:27 groan. 00:45:42 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 00:46:11 hi eveyone 00:46:12 um, er, everyone 00:47:34 Ellison: "it isn't a house... it's a garden with a house around it" 00:49:53 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 00:50:05 "the invitation to this party was a crepe with a bannana in it hand-delivered... by a gorilla" 00:55:45 i like the parties where the gorillas are the ones who kick out the losers 00:55:56 * thelsdj dreams of starting a nightclub called 'The Black Sun' 00:56:01 Hmmmm, I seem to have found the problem range 00:56:03 with bouncers dressed in gorilla suits 01:00:18 GabeW (Joe@adsl-216-101-18-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 01:01:07 "what the americans call attitude" 01:01:20 "My voting address is telephone pole 39." 01:03:03 you know your low on sleep when you get something out of the refridgerator to microwave, put it on a plate, stick it back in the refridgerator, close the door and start looking for the 'on' button 01:03:06 [off] wow, I didn't know that that was Dave Winer's real name 01:03:22 your? your?! 01:03:53 you know that you're low on sleep when you start using "your" in place of "you're" 01:04:02 that too 01:04:25 Ooh, Dave Winer is on now. 01:04:27 i'm a high school drop out what do you expect? 01:04:36 heh. all the greats are 01:04:53 [off] what was DW's real name? 01:04:55 lemonodor (~wiseman@il-la.la.idealab.com) has joined #swhack 01:05:07 [off] telephone pole 39 01:05:16 (really) 01:05:59 (subvert the schoolyard! stay home and learn something!) 01:05:59 "Computer software wizard Dave Winer relishes the stream that cuts thru his land. It separates him from [Joan Baez]." 01:06:33 "You can hear her practicing, can you?" "I actually can, usually. It's one of the bennies." 01:06:48 is this the land of rss-ophiles? 01:07:01 lemonodor, it is 01:07:03 it's rss-central 01:07:08 oh good. 01:07:13 except for me 01:07:17 :-) 01:07:29 i was wondering what current, or perhaps, evolving practice is regarding html in feeds. 01:07:38 lemonodor: any channel with AaronSw :-) 01:07:45 lemonodor: http://ipwebdev.com/mySubscriptionsToOutline.html <--- fun rss rendering 01:07:49 are there any clients that expect html? 01:08:15 html has to be stuck in as character entities right? 01:08:19 right 01:08:33 thelsdj: fancy. 01:09:03 i've seen html in a before, and because it was like <i>really</I> it made my xslt conversion die because of bad xml 01:09:09 <AaronSw> DW: "i think it's a four-year-soul type thing, actually" 01:09:26 <AaronSw> lemonodor, in RSS 1.0 it should be put in mod_content. in RSS 0.9{2,3} it should be entity encoded 01:09:28 <lemonodor> well yeah, i generate good xml. 01:09:43 <lemonodor> i'm just wondering how common it is for clients to be expecting it. and render it. 01:09:53 <AaronSw> announcer: "football stories for girls" 01:10:10 <sbp> ooh, like in Father Ted! 01:10:17 <sbp> heh, that episode rocked 01:10:37 <lemonodor> e.g., i can't tell if peerkat is expecting it and is just buggy, or wasn't expecting it at all... 01:11:27 <sbp> heh, heh. this guy on the radio just said that "the Wings are shooting from left to right... across your radio dial" 01:12:13 <GabeW> GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:12:51 <AaronSw> lemonodor, what part is the html in? what version of rss? 01:14:20 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Be vewwy vewwy qwiet. I'm hunting CDATA^H^H^H^H^Hwabbits! 01:14:27 <lemonodor> (i'm just using the movable type template:) <description>, 1.0. 01:14:42 <chumpy> chumpy has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:14:42 <lemonodor> but it sounds like using html is common then. 01:15:06 <chumpy> chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 01:15:21 <lemonodor> oh. i might have modded the template, i forget. don't blame movable type if i'm doing it wrong. 01:15:45 <ChanServ> ChanServ has changed the topic to: red-glasses-monk 01:16:22 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're back with the old services database while we continue to look for the problem in the corrupted database. We'll keep you posted. 01:18:43 <lemonodor> lemonodor has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:44:26 <redmonk> redmonk has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:58:42 <JosephSpiros> JosephSpiros (joseph@11Cust181.tnt1.oberlin.oh.da.uu.net) has joined #swhack 01:59:59 <deus_x> deus_x has quit ("leaving") 02:00:14 <JosephSpiros> JosephSpiros has left #swhack 02:10:22 <wmf> wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 02:12:44 <AaronSw> hey walloper 02:12:52 <AaronSw> err wmf 02:13:08 <wmf> hey AaronSw 02:13:17 <wmf> * wmf holds his stomach 02:13:27 <wmf> too.. much... BBQ... 02:13:52 <AaronSw> extreme bluebecuing? 02:14:11 <wmf> yeah 02:14:41 <wmf> it's a good thing we didn't order all you can eat 02:17:06 <wmf> I think Eric scared Darren's and Vernon's wives 02:17:15 <AaronSw> coworkers? 02:17:22 <wmf> we were telling wild stories 02:17:22 <AaronSw> Oh, I guess I should take the Wait-Wait-Don't-Tell-Me which-newsmaker-are-you quiz. 02:17:47 <wmf> I need some fully automatic Nerf weapons 02:18:02 <AaronSw> this just gets worse and worse 02:18:16 <wmf> you're Dave Winer? 02:18:35 <AaronSw> nope 02:20:23 <AaronSw> I'm a GENERIC TALKING HEAD. 02:20:25 <AaronSw> "You started life as a doormat, the kind of kid who gave his lunch money away on a daily basis. But you showed them. You've become an expert on something that's too abstruse for most people to understand. You clearly know a lot about something, cause you're always getting asked to talk about it. You don't realize that this is just the TV networks' way of taking your lunch money. You probably live somewhere near Washington. D.C. You're also bald. " 02:20:45 <wmf> well, you're not bald 02:21:15 <wmf> maybe you can be the GENERIC TALKING HEAD OF THE REPUBLIC 02:21:29 <AaronSw> I was tempted to make that joke. 02:22:08 <wmf> I got a new boss today 02:22:18 <AaronSw> What happened to the old one? 02:23:01 <wmf> we drove him insane, so he promoted one of us to management as revenge 02:23:16 <AaronSw> mwahahaha. where'd he go? 02:23:22 <wmf> oh, he 02:23:34 <wmf> oh, he's still around. our department split in two 02:23:50 <wmf> Hasbro's web site is completely useless 02:23:54 <AaronSw> Are you in the low group or the power one? 02:24:03 <wmf> lol 02:24:16 <wmf> that's "power aware" you you, buddy 02:25:07 <AaronSw> does it download rss feeds and automatically increase power usage based on a keyword system ('global warming', 'drilling') 02:31:54 <wmf> there are nerf overclockers out there 02:32:29 <AaronSw> I'm not sure I want to think about that. 02:32:44 <wmf> it's pretty scary 02:33:00 <wmf> there are nerf "hardware sites", too 02:33:39 <AaronSw> I should package up MovableType, rsync and AmphetaDesk and promote it as GNU Radio 02:33:50 <AaronSw> or maybe Radio GNULand 02:33:53 <AaronSw> or Radio GNU World 02:34:05 <wmf> * wmf stands back while UserLand lawyers are released 02:34:16 <sbp> Gotta run 02:34:29 <wmf> it should be "Radio Free (as in freedom) ____" 02:35:03 <AaronSw> After a short meeting with Joan Baez I have reconsidered my naming plan. 02:35:11 <wmf> lol 02:36:15 <AaronSw> In that BBC interview with Dave they kept talking about Joan Baez. 02:36:41 <wmf> bizarre 02:37:40 <wmf> in that situation I would probably snap and say "if you just want to talk about Joan Baez, why don't you interview her?" 02:38:03 <AaronSw> I assume he tried. 02:38:12 <AaronSw> He interviewed Larry Ellison. 02:38:32 <wmf> that could be interesting 02:38:53 <wmf> * wmf resists the urge to tell the joke about larry ellison and god 02:39:05 <AaronSw> He said he wasn't building a house, he was building a garden with a house around it. 02:39:17 <wmf> feng shui, you know 02:39:35 <AaronSw> so wmf, can you get me free access to this nationwide WLAN? 02:39:46 <wmf> I don't know anything about it 02:40:00 <wmf> I'd be happy to have access to the WLAN at work 02:45:13 <AaronSw> I wonder when we'll see the version Mojo Nation with mojojojo as a helpful animated character to walk you thru uploading a file. 02:45:18 <AaronSw> Ooh, Jack Valenti on TV 02:45:26 <deltab> AaronSw: haha 02:47:30 <AaronSw> Valenti was in the whitehouse? 02:49:16 <AaronSw> "Valenti handled the television advertising for John F. Kennedy's presidential campaign. When President Kennedy was gunned down, Valenti was six cars behind him. A few hours later, while flying back to Washington on Air Force One, President Lyndon Johnson named Valenti his first special assistant. 02:49:17 <AaronSw> " 02:51:59 <wmf> whoa, mark from boingboing is in an Apple ad 02:52:09 <AaronSw> You haven't seen yet? 02:52:13 <AaronSw> He's in TIME! 02:52:25 <AaronSw> He's a superstar. Number one on Apple.com. 02:52:57 <wmf> Cory probably would be cooler 02:53:07 <AaronSw> Is Cory a switcher? 02:53:14 <wmf> probably not 02:53:26 <AaronSw> valenti: "all the moguls [...] thought that if they ignored [television] it would go away" 02:54:15 <wmf> actually, I can imagine Cory doing a commercial where half of the words out of his mouth are things he just made up and which would confuse all but the most superhepcat audience 02:54:50 <AaronSw> Heh, I can so see that. "The new iBook's got the hip filepile wuffie! 02:55:05 <AaronSw> Cocoanut skateboard sticker, this might be offensive! 02:55:11 <AaronSw> pineapple cola, open, closed 02:55:19 <AaronSw> oogaboogaboo!" 02:57:08 <wmf> Mark has the total ruffled beatnik thing going on 02:57:56 <Morbus> Morbus (morbus@s83.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 02:58:03 <AaronSw> heh, here's the perfect example: http://www.craphound.com/nonfic/street.html 02:58:04 <wmf> Myriad is definitely in at Apple 02:58:13 <AaronSw> Myriad? 02:58:19 <wmf> the font 02:58:40 <AaronSw> ah 02:59:01 <AaronSw> Poor Apple Garamond 03:00:29 <wmf> lol 03:00:45 <wmf> * wmf imagines Cory saying "God I love ranting!" 03:03:09 <AaronSw> "Geeks are cheap, and Photoshop is expensive." 03:03:23 <wmf> how prescient 03:05:53 <Morbus> Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 03:06:58 <AaronSw> heh, his acceptance speech ends: "I am totally at a loss for words for potentially the first time in my" 03:07:03 <AaronSw> and then it ends 03:09:12 <AaronSw> hee: http://www.gwilly.ca/357/harvard.html 03:12:12 <wmf> some SATV stuff is a little sketchy. "yet now HDTV is lower resolution than what we expect from a low end computer" 03:14:16 <wmf> er, SATN 03:15:31 <AaronSw> ah. 03:15:34 <AaronSw> I was wondering.... 03:16:24 <wmf> I wonder if BobF has actually blown up any cheap monitors trying to run them at 2048x1536 03:17:16 <wmf> "I saw this on OC Zone, it's perfectly--" <boom/> 03:18:53 <wmf> check out harrumph. Rob Kaye has some competition 03:19:53 <AaronSw> ooooh 03:20:57 <wmf> good Ted Nelson fanboying there on ambiguous 03:21:28 <AaronSw> ooh, did i get quoted? 03:21:57 <AaronSw> heehee 03:23:20 <AaronSw> nelson lacked "the motivation for people to participate"???? he was like mr. micropayments! that's not motivation? 03:23:42 <wmf> haven't you learned from Clay Shirky? 03:24:35 <AaronSw> i guess not. i can never remember his argument 03:24:54 <wmf> micropayments are bad. just keep repeating that! :-) 03:25:19 <AaronSw> * AaronSw rereads 03:25:34 <AaronSw> oh, users hate micropayments 03:25:52 <AaronSw> that's so stupid and presumptuous 03:26:27 <wmf> I got mail from someone complaining that AccordionGuy's SQL has an error 03:26:29 <AaronSw> don't people understand that the whole point of micropayments it to make the BigCos pay the little guy, not you 03:26:41 <AaronSw> * AaronSw looks to see if he can spot the error 03:27:05 <wmf> the syntax is not really the point 03:27:28 <AaronSw> I know, but it's a geeky joke, so we're allowed to be geeky about it. 03:28:30 <AaronSw> hm, i'm not seeing it... 03:28:48 <AaronSw> missing a semicolon? 03:29:41 <wmf> supposedly missing a TOP clause 03:30:00 <wmf> (I didn't realize that SQL is related to BDSM...) 03:30:06 <AaronSw> why would it need a top clause?? 03:30:37 <AaronSw> that is so lame. 03:31:49 <tansaku_xc> tansaku_xc has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 03:36:34 <AaronSw> wow, this address googler is very cool 03:39:36 <wmf> OK, time for bed 03:40:00 <AaronSw> nite 03:41:25 <wmf> wmf has quit ("BitchX: its everywhere you want to be") 03:57:33 <AaronSw> Google should become a n4p or something 03:59:14 <AaronSw> Karl Dubost presents "Les standards Web? Ah non, jamais!" 04:03:42 <AaronSw> I didn 04:03:53 <AaronSw> I didn't know this: "Sightings have been made of Google pom-poms at home turf events like Stanford football games. Google has also sponsored programs on National Public Radio (NPR)." 04:07:42 <AaronSw> lol: http://www.satirewire.com/features/satire-jeevesinterview.shtml 04:15:12 <lemonodor> lemonodor (~lemonodor@user-11211a9.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #swhack 04:20:12 <AaronSw> They put some pages in, 04:20:12 <AaronSw> They take some pages out, 04:20:12 <AaronSw> They calculate the PageRank, 04:20:12 <AaronSw> Then they shake it all about, 04:20:12 <AaronSw> They wait until the full moon 04:20:13 <AaronSw> Then they mix the servers up, 04:20:15 <AaronSw> Thats what its all about. 04:30:01 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Looks like we may have the corrupted database substantially repaired. I'm going to upload it and put it into service, and we'll need to know if you spot any problems. Thanks. 04:37:57 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] About ready to try the database. Shutting down the old one. 04:40:16 <ChanServ> ChanServ has changed the topic to: THE INTERROTRON IS WATCHING 04:41:17 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Okay all. We have restored the services database we've attempted to correct, and believe it to be substantially whole. If you have any problems or inconsistencies, please check with us on #openprojects. 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It looks like we've finally driven a stake through the heart of those repropagating klines. Looking very good at this point. 06:34:09 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Services should be current at this point and as we slowly recover we should be missing the lag, which I think was internally-generated. 06:36:43 <lemonodor> lemonodor (~lemonodor@user-11211a9.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #swhack 06:37:54 <walloper> walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 06:37:54 <loggy> loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 06:37:54 <loggy> * loggy is logging 06:38:11 <sbp> sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 06:38:20 <AaronSw> AaronSw (~Snak@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 07:31:23 <quasi> quasi (~toftum@tigerdyr.wheel.dk) has joined #swhack 08:51:39 <PONG> PONG (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 09:01:53 <lemonodor> lemonodor has left #swhack 09:09:50 <thelsdj> thelsdj (~adam@p149.tc3.rnktel.net) has joined #swhack 10:31:18 <pixel> pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 11:01:33 <BenSw> BenSw (~aaronsw@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 11:47:33 <Morbus> Morbus (morbus@s103.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 12:15:42 <MorbusIff> MorbusIff (morbus@s96.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 12:32:18 <BurnInHell> BurnInHell (morbus@s81.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 12:33:36 <Morbus> Morbus has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: BurnInHell!morbus@s81.terminal3.totalnetnh.net))) 12:33:38 <MorbusIff> MorbusIff has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: BurnInHell!morbus@s81.terminal3.totalnetnh.net))) 12:34:24 <BurnInHell> BurnInHell is now known as Morbus 12:53:54 <Ash> Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 13:06:55 <tansaku_xc> tansaku_xc (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 13:25:11 <Ash-w> Ash-w (~aaron@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 13:55:21 <sbp> * sbp waves over here too 13:57:59 <pixel> * pixel waves to sbp. 14:04:12 <sbp> what the feck is Patrick Stickler on about now? 14:04:20 <sbp> [[[ 14:04:20 <sbp> I meant "B", though not bothering with the prefixes. I.e. 14:04:20 <sbp> _:8e4ce93e-7d10-11d6-b93d-0003931df47c 14:04:21 <sbp> Thus, we only have three types of label in an RDF graph, URIrefs, 14:04:21 <sbp> literals, and UUIDs. 14:04:21 <sbp> ]]] 14:04:28 <sbp> that guy seems to get nuttier all the time 14:08:54 <Morbus> Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 14:15:46 <AaronSw> hi 14:15:52 <AaronSw> stupid crashing snak 14:16:22 <AaronSw> why does that seem nutty, sbp? looks like ruids to me 14:17:58 <sbp> um because the _: says its local, but the UUID bit implies globality 14:18:08 <sbp> unless they using them simply to avoid collisions 14:26:18 <AaronSw> hm. 14:26:48 <AaronSw> * AaronSw gets one of those "we at google have decided to block your whole subnet because someone on it was a query spammer" 14:27:12 <AaronSw> Couldn't they just institute a timeout system on IPs that submitted queries randomly? 14:27:25 <AaronSw> s/randomly/quickly/ 14:28:40 <AaronSw> wazzat? wazzat? wazzat? "5 minutes!" wazzat? wazzat? wazzat? "10 minutes!" wazzat? wazzzat? wazzat? "15 minutes!" (catches on, waits 15 minutes) wazzat? alright... wazzat? wazzat? "5 minutes!" 14:35:29 <sbp> <ChannelSpam> 14:35:42 <sbp> join #‽ now for all your interrobangal needs! 14:35:44 <sbp> </ChannelSpam> 14:35:53 <AaronSw> is that yiddish for hash interrobang? 14:35:59 <AaronSw> s/yiddish/iso037739372303/ 14:36:46 <sbp> UTF-8 14:39:13 <AaronSw> heh: <shortVersion>Cool. I like it. Why do we have to do it now? </shortversion> 14:40:27 <Ash-w> Ash-w has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14:40:27 <BenSw> BenSw has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14:40:27 <pixel> pixel has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14:40:27 <PONG> PONG has quit (bear.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14:47:26 <pixel> pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 14:47:52 <BenSw> BenSw (~aaronsw@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 14:54:49 <Ash-w> Ash-w (~aaron@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 14:56:21 <PONG> PONG (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 14:57:34 <tansaku_xc> tansaku_xc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:35:27 <AaronSw> "Our relationship with Microsoft is really pretty good," Mr. Jobs said. "What's a few market-share points between friends? It wouldn't matter to them, and we would be eternally grateful." 15:35:39 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: What's a few market-share points between friends? 15:48:21 <sbp> Gotta run 15:48:54 <Morbus> Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 15:56:09 <walloper> <lilo`> Hi all. Just a reminder that #jobs is available for people in the community who are currently looking for work. Resume readings, comparing notes on job sites and geographical areas and a bit of moral support. Stop by if you get a chance. Thanks. 16:10:38 <xena> xena (~xena@216.234.235.21) has joined #swhack 16:24:58 <BenSw> BenSw has quit ("brb") 16:36:56 <lemonodor> lemonodor (~wiseman@il-la.la.idealab.com) has joined #swhack 16:54:07 <Morbus> AaronSw: " There was an error parsing this channel. The parser reported: not well-formed at line 48, column 30, byte 1865 ." 16:54:10 <Morbus> on your blog. 16:54:24 <AaronSw> url? 16:54:59 <AaronSw> is that syndic8? 16:56:09 <AaronSw> syndic8 parses it fine 16:57:34 <Morbus> no, XML::Parser under Ampheta. 16:58:00 <Morbus> mozilla can't aprse it eitherh 16:58:04 <Morbus> There was an error parsing this channel. The parser reported: not well-formed at line 48, column 30, byte 1865 . 16:58:07 <Morbus> ------------------------------^ 16:59:17 <sbp> heh, I already pointed that out 16:59:19 <sbp> well, the character, not that it breaks under XML::Parser 16:59:36 <Morbus> heh, heh. when was that? 17:00:09 <AaronSw> deleted 17:00:22 <Morbus> much better 17:00:53 <lemonodor> morbus, you do amphetadesk, right? 17:01:02 <Morbus> yup. 17:01:37 <lemonodor> ever think about a unix version? 17:03:46 <AaronSw> um. it is for unix. 17:04:16 <lemonodor> oh. i didn't see that on the page. 17:04:21 <Morbus> lemonodor: the same source tree works on mac/win/linux. 17:04:28 <Morbus> ampheta figures it all out at runtime. 17:04:29 <lemonodor> ah, ok. 17:04:45 <Morbus> but, honestly, don't grab the v0.92 source. 17:04:49 <Morbus> it's ooky. 17:04:56 <Morbus> i've got a v0.93 coming out on friday. 17:05:02 <Morbus> if you know CVS, you could pull it down from there. 17:06:26 <lemonodor> sure, i can do that 17:07:05 <Morbus> awesome. 17:07:17 <Morbus> if you notice any bugs or idiocy, you have two days to report them :) 17:07:29 <Morbus> the cvs is currently frozen except for bug fixes and docs. 17:07:38 <lemonodor> perfect, i love to complain about bugs :) 17:07:41 <AaronSw> Eben: is britney "a musician, an actress, a prostitute?" 17:07:49 <Morbus> lemonodor: good :) 17:11:36 <AaronSw> "I can see no way [...] to explain hunger." 17:14:38 <bitsko> bitsko (~KenMacLeo@66.187.196.132) has joined #swhack 17:15:10 <bitsko> anybody got a good HTTP debug-proxy, for grabbing XML requests, for example? 17:15:25 <AaronSw> proxypanel is good 17:15:40 <AaronSw> i assume you want to look at request-presonses? 17:15:46 <AaronSw> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/patchPanel/ 17:18:38 <bitsko> hmm, a little immature for what I need. I'm working with an outside group that's not understanding "send me the XML of the transaction" (SOAP, specifically), so I wanted to point them at a load-and-go tool. 17:22:52 <quasi> bitsko: maybe something like http://muffin.doit.org - last time I looked at it there was a header display util 17:25:54 <AaronSw> i'm not sure what you mean, bitsko 17:30:40 <bitsko> I found it: java org.apache.axis.utils.tcpmon 8080 localhost 8011 17:30:48 <bitsko> they're already usin Axis, so it fits right in 17:30:56 <quasi> 3 17:31:57 <Morbus> lemonodor: any issues? 17:31:58 <GabeW> GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 17:32:31 <lemonodor> just that fetching perl modules is being very slow this morning. 17:33:47 <Morbus> ah, good ol' cpan ;) 17:52:37 <redmonk> redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:53:31 <redmonk> *BAMPH* 17:53:36 <redmonk> * redmonk appears 17:53:52 <bitsko> wrong channel, this is *SWHACK* 17:54:07 <redmonk> heh 17:54:08 <AaronSw> * AaronSw -> park 17:56:39 <lemonodor> Morbus: score. i like it. 18:02:06 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all. If haven't had a chance, please take a look at http://somegeek.org/status.html (last updated today). The site will be a bit overloaded. Thanks. 18:09:24 <sbp> s/musician/entertainer/ 18:10:06 <sbp> well, perhaps neither 18:10:43 <Morbus> lemonodor: awesome! 18:10:49 <Morbus> let me know if you have any issues, complaints, etc. 18:10:58 <Morbus> most ampheta chat is over in #disobey 18:16:23 <lemonodor> two things: i'm already wishing that it parsed per-item times (using <dc:date> or whatever), and that the main page listed items in order of date, instead of channels by date. 18:17:03 <lemonodor> but if the feed don't give you dates, what are ya gonna do, so no big deal. 18:17:55 <bitsko> hehe, Morbus, is that not your #1 request? 18:18:32 <redmonk> LOL 18:18:42 <redmonk> *wink wink nudge nudge* 18:21:20 <Morbus> lemonodor: you can add the DC stuff if you want. 18:21:25 <Morbus> without asking for me to do it. 18:21:36 <Morbus> everything iwthin a feed is usable within the template, whether i recognize it or not. 18:21:48 <Morbus> take a look in the templates/default/index.html for how it's done. 18:22:09 <Morbus> for example, there's $item->{description}, so there'd also be a $item->{"dc:date"} if the feed had it. 18:22:11 <lemonodor> cool. 18:22:30 <sbp> how do you qualify dc:? 18:22:36 <Morbus> and yes, along the same lines of what you're asking for, everyone wnats the same damn thing. 18:22:37 <bitsko> now, if we added a [dc:date "..."; dc:aggregatorSupplied "true"] ;) 18:22:39 <Morbus> sbp: i don't. 18:22:57 <Morbus> if the feed uses dublincore: then it'd be $item->{"dublincore:date"} 18:23:00 <sbp> so if you used a different prefix for dublin core, it'd not be able to rexognizxe it? 18:23:01 <bitsko> s/dc:a/aggr:a/ 18:23:10 <Morbus> no, you'd be able to use it. 18:23:15 <sbp> right. so is there anyway to look up a namespace for the prefix? 18:23:16 <Morbus> if it's in the feed, it's in the tree. 18:23:25 <sbp> s/anyway/any way/ 18:23:27 <Morbus> sbp: probably. 18:23:31 <Morbus> off the top of my head, i dunno how. 18:23:45 <Morbus> but, the filename of the xml feed is stored in $channel->{filename}. 18:23:56 <Morbus> so you'd be able to open that file and parse prefixes to known URLs.' 18:24:15 <lemonodor> ouch. 18:24:39 <Morbus> * Morbus shrugs. 18:24:53 <Morbus> i was more focused on getting the new backend done this system. 18:25:00 <sbp> * sbp feels his Ampheta feature request list going up to 3 items 18:25:09 <Morbus> in .94, i'll be planning on taking every RSS spec and supporting all known items 18:25:36 <Morbus> the namespace thing and what you want, i'm not exactly clear on just yet. 18:25:38 <Morbus> but keep talking. 18:26:02 <sbp> just to be able to always access the dublin core date from a feed 18:26:26 <Morbus> i've mostly seen people always using dc: as the prefix? 18:26:36 <sbp> the namespace might even be bound to a longer base URI, so you might have a QName like {http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/da}te 18:26:39 <Morbus> i mean, regardless of the prefix, you're gonna be able to access it from the feed, one way or another. 18:26:41 <sbp> yes, but that's just a convention 18:26:55 <Morbus> but, you're more looking for a "i can always find it here if the feed has it" sort of thing? 18:26:58 <sbp> right, but if the namespaces were available as variables, it'd make it a lot easier 18:27:12 <lemonodor> i love the simplicity of rss 0.9x, but i am somewhat flabbergasted that they left out a per-item timestamp. 18:27:16 <Morbus> so, you'd more want something like $item->{$dc . ":date"} 18:27:23 <Morbus> where $dc contains the ns prefix? 18:27:37 <Morbus> lemonodor: winer added it in v0.94 18:27:40 <Morbus> its called pubDate., 18:27:41 <sbp> yeah. I'm not sure of the exact code, but that looks a lot better 18:27:50 <sbp> perhaps it could have the prefix name and the namespace URI 18:27:51 <lemonodor> oh right, i saw that 18:27:55 <Morbus> ok, sbp: how can that be expanded, however? 18:27:58 <pixel> using dc:date in each item works ok too. 18:28:03 <sbp> so like ("dc" "http://purl.org/dc/element/1.1/") 18:28:17 <Morbus> pixel: yeah, that works, but he's concerned about something using "buttfuck" as a prefix instead of "dc". 18:28:27 <sbp> heh, heh 18:28:30 <Morbus> sbp: 18:28:35 <Morbus> ok. 18:28:39 <Morbus> so, say I have a $namespaces thingy 18:29:00 <Morbus> you'd want to loop through $namespaces, looking for a $prefix that matches your <dublin core URL> or <favorite doctype>. 18:29:09 <Morbus> and then you'd be able to $prefix your way to happiness in the feeds? 18:29:32 <lemonodor> including the 'default' namespace, probably, the one that is usually the rss namespace. 18:29:54 <lemonodor> since i think someone could be using <rss:items> and such. 18:29:58 <sbp> right. well, I suppose that for each of the elements, you bind the local name onto the end of the namespace URI-ref, and match it up to the Dublin Core date URI 18:30:18 <Morbus> hmm... 18:30:24 <Morbus> i'm not sure how future-happy this would be. 18:30:30 <Morbus> how many common namespaces besides DC are being used? 18:30:34 <Morbus> i don't know of many. 18:30:49 <Morbus> unless, you're considering rss 1.0 module support? 18:31:02 <sbp> so if you had a structure like [['dc', 'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/'], 'date'], you could concat [0][1] with [1], and try to match it against http://purl.org/dc/element/date 18:31:28 <sbp> then that would work against [['blargh', 'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/da'], 'te'] 18:31:43 <Morbus> yeah, but why would anyone want to do that? 18:31:51 <sbp> 1.0 modules: it's possible that they canonicalize. I'm not sure 18:32:04 <sbp> because that's the sort of things that happen in XML RDF 18:32:13 <Morbus> well, rdf is dumb <g>. 18:32:20 <Morbus> ok. lemme rephrase that: 18:32:31 <Morbus> how many toolkits are going to do something funny like what you describe? 18:32:37 <sbp> remember, it's meant to be a format that machines can produce, and sometimes they just split off the last character as a namespace and use the rest as a name 18:32:50 <sbp> I think CWM did it at one point, and my first XML RDF toolkit did it 18:33:05 <Morbus> sbp: hmm. 18:33:13 <Morbus> i'm gonna have to give it some thought. 18:33:24 <sbp> it's also more than likely that a serializer is not going to have a list of common prefixes 18:33:32 <Morbus> i *like* the idea of $prefix and $url, and matching a $url of a known doctype to access the $prefix you like. 18:33:43 <Morbus> that's suitably generic. 18:33:51 <pixel> pixel has quit ("Leaving, Swiging My Piece of Ass. http://www.perceive.net") 18:34:00 <sbp> for example when someone else comes along with a vocab that they call "dc" for short, and the comunity finds dublin core all of a sudden, there's going to be clashes. that's the point of using URI-refs in namespaces 18:34:29 <Morbus> right, and the $prefix, $url thing would solve that. 18:34:33 <sbp> absolutely 18:34:38 <Morbus> cos ultimately, you'd only get a $prefix if it matches the $url you asked for. 18:34:50 <Morbus> the da / te thing you started talking about confused me though. 18:35:40 <sbp> for example <dc:te xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/da">2002-06-11</dc:te> is basically the same as a property object pair in XML RDF as <dc:date xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">2002-06-11</dc:date> 18:35:51 <sbp> and <dc:e xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/dat">2002-06-11</dc:e> etc. for that matter 18:35:52 <lemonodor> it comes down to the fact that to compare tags, you really need to compare <uri:tagname>. but then you also have to make it possible to do that succintly. 18:36:54 <Morbus> isn't that ugly form though? 18:36:59 <Morbus> i mean, yeah, its for machiens, but come on. 18:37:05 <Morbus> the reason i never liked rdf was because it was too wordy. 18:37:10 <Morbus> and now this is possible? that's worse, imo. 18:37:16 <GabeW> GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 18:37:24 <sbp> well, that's one of the reasons why XML RDF sucks 18:37:27 <Morbus> heh, heh. 18:37:35 <Morbus> well, honestly, i'm not seeing compelling reasons to support the above. 18:38:03 <Morbus> cos, then i'm gonna have ugly code all over like $item->{$prefix$suffix} and no one will have a clue what is in those without reading code. 18:38:05 <redmonk> redmonk has quit ("cya") 18:38:07 <sbp> because it's possible for people to produce XML RDF like that and say that your parser doesn't support it 18:38:18 <sbp> true. I didn't say it was pretty :-) 18:38:23 <lemonodor> this is why xml kinda sucks. 18:38:33 <sbp> plus, as I say, there may be some canonicalization stuff in the RSS specifications 18:38:49 <sbp> i.e. they may try to fight screwiness with screwiness 18:38:58 <lemonodor> and almost nobody ever wants to support even the stuff past the most basic parts of xml. it's just too ugly. 18:39:08 <Morbus> yeah.. 18:39:18 <sbp> frankly, I'm a bit too scared to read the specifications for RSS properly. I remember what happened when bijan did that... 18:39:26 <Morbus> at this point, i'm probably going to commit to $prefix/$url and $item->{$prefix:wikiname} or what have you. 18:39:39 <Morbus> and it'll be tested throughout the rss 1.0 modules. 18:39:53 <Morbus> but if they say i'm going to suck, then i'm going to suck on that other thing. 18:40:09 <Morbus> i don't want ampheta to get to a point where it's hard to code the damn thing just cos some people think its cute to be esoteric. 18:40:18 <Morbus> especially when what you're talking about i've never seen in rss myself. 18:40:22 <Morbus> yet, at least. 18:40:58 <sbp> right, I recognize the offset 18:41:13 <sbp> it's XML RDF's fault anyway for sucking ass 18:42:22 <sbp> nobody wants to implement half this stuff... argh, I want to rant more but... 18:42:23 <sbp> Gotta run 18:43:08 <Morbus> argh 18:43:11 <Morbus> i wanna hear you rant some more. 18:43:21 <Morbus> lemonodor: quick, take sbp's place! 18:43:21 <Morbus> ;) 18:45:24 <lemonodor> sorry, i can't fill those shoes 18:45:33 <lemonodor> i'll just quote erik naggum 18:45:45 <lemonodor> "XML, being the single suckiest syntactic invention in the history of mankind, offers you several layers at which you can do exactly the same thing very differently, in fact so differently that it takes effort to see that they are even related." 18:45:50 <Morbus> heh, heh. 18:46:10 <Morbus> well, seriously, if you do have any syggestions, comments, thoughts, feature requests, etc, burp them into morbus@disobey.com or else mention them in #disobey. 18:46:28 <lemonodor> ok, cool. thanks. 18:46:44 <bitsko> if I understand NS XML::Simple right, it probably does the "{URI}LocalName" think for NS names 18:47:41 <Morbus> i haven't looked into it myself. 18:50:20 <Morbus> i'm still wrestling with the classic mac version. 18:50:23 <Morbus> i don't think its going to exist 18:50:31 <Morbus> due to a possible bug in gusi/macperl. 18:50:36 <bitsko> :( 18:50:40 <Morbus> yeah, :( is right. 18:51:19 <Morbus> i';m gonna have to place something liike a "oops, i suck. here's a big report" 18:51:31 <Morbus> a bug report, rather. 18:51:46 <Morbus> the sad thing is, because there was so much change from 92 to 93, i can't even compile it in the previous version of MacPerl. 18:52:02 <Morbus> bitsko: do you use CLassic anywhere? 18:54:33 <bitsko> no 18:57:11 <justme> justme (~justme@i0262.vwa.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 18:59:24 <BenSw> BenSw (~aaronsw@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 19:02:11 <deltab> deltab has quit (Connection timed out) 19:02:49 <xena> xena has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:04:20 <justme> justme has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:04:24 <justme> justme (~justme@i0262.vwa.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 19:11:48 <Acapnotic> Acapnotic (~kevin@65.100.38.69) has joined #swhack 19:11:55 <bitsko> bitsko has left #swhack 19:16:33 <AaronSw> Ooh, day 2: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/06/11.html#day_2_michael 20:10:02 <justme> justme has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:21:33 <redmonk> redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 20:21:53 <redmonk> hi all 20:22:03 <redmonk> i need help 20:22:05 <redmonk> anyone know why tar would be truncating filenames 20:22:31 <quasi> a 16bit tar on windoze? 20:22:46 <redmonk> nope 20:22:49 <redmonk> os x 20:22:53 <redmonk> and it's only in one directoty 20:22:58 <redmonk> er, diectory 20:23:01 <redmonk> ugh 20:23:04 <redmonk> YNWIM 20:23:07 <redmonk> er, 20:23:10 <redmonk> YKWIM 20:23:22 <redmonk> * redmonk is stressed out 20:23:34 <AaronSw> command line tar? 20:23:38 <redmonk> yes 20:23:43 <AaronSw> have you tried using gtar? 20:23:45 <redmonk> is there a max length ffor path names 20:23:46 <redmonk> ? 20:23:55 <AaronSw> yes 20:24:00 <AaronSw> that's probably it 20:24:10 <redmonk> hm. 20:24:11 <redmonk> ok 20:26:01 <Morbus> Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:28:08 <Morbus> Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 20:28:15 <redmonk> ak 20:28:23 <redmonk> i just need about 20 more characters 20:29:17 <quasi> redmonk: try gnu tar 20:30:23 <redmonk> ok 20:32:37 <redmonk> yes! 20:32:42 <redmonk> quasi - I kiss you! 20:32:47 <redmonk> *smack* 20:33:28 <quasi> ick, don't blame me - [23:24]<AaronSw> have you tried using gtar? 20:33:55 <redmonk> well, "gtar" did not exist. I fgured I didn't have it 20:34:00 <redmonk> "gnutar" did 20:34:03 <redmonk> sorry aaronsdw 20:34:06 <redmonk> aaronsdw 20:34:08 <redmonk> fuck 20:34:10 <redmonk> aaronsw 20:34:13 <redmonk> better 20:34:37 <AaronSw> hm, i have both on my machine 20:34:59 <AaronSw> ah, gtar is a fink thing 20:35:10 <sbp> (you fink) 20:35:11 <BenSw> BenSw has quit ("brb") 20:36:36 <GabeW> GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 20:37:03 <Morbus> http://www.geekissues.org/quotes/?top 20:42:33 <thelsdj> are there any limitations to what kind of meta data i can put in an RSS feed? i think a url to mySubscriptions.opml (if someone has one) should go directly in the rss feed rather than requiring an aggregator to have to load and parse the home page just to see if it has a <link> tag for it 20:43:28 <Morbus> thelsdj: it depends if the reader validates or not. 20:43:36 <Morbus> in the current RSS doctypes, no, there's nothing for you. 20:44:07 <Morbus> speaking of which, if you throw your .opml file online, and send a special URL to AmphetaDesk, it can import all the channels from that .opml into your current one. 20:45:43 <thelsdj> yea i know but i'm thinking way ahead to a distributed ranking system of rss posts :) i want the aggregator to be able to get the subscriptions of everyone you read (who lists their subscriptions) and then recommend new feeds without having to search their homepage for the <link> tag 20:45:53 <PONG> PONG is now known as oierw 20:46:21 <Morbus> ah, yeah, that's planned. 20:46:39 <Morbus> i've been wanting to do an amazon like recommendation system for a good long time. 20:46:40 <Morbus> Morbus has left #swhack 20:46:46 <Morbus> Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 20:46:57 <thelsdj> right, but its a real hack to force the aggregator to parse the homepage just to see if the weblog has a list of their subscriptions 20:47:13 <AaronSw> thelsdj, #disobey 20:47:18 <AaronSw> :-) 20:47:36 <Morbus> thelsdj: at this point, amphetadesk doesn't even do that. 20:47:41 <Morbus> i rely on the pilgrim bookmarklet. 20:53:27 <AaronSw> wow, pycrypto supports winnowing and chaffing 20:56:49 <Morbus> Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 20:59:29 <AaronSw> * AaronSw does the new crypto toy dance. 20:59:43 <sbp> rowr 21:00:20 <sbp> [[[ 21:00:20 <sbp> If you are a large government or a top-secret spy, we do not 21:00:20 <sbp> recommend this software for anything, and we never met you. 21:00:26 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.red-bean.com/~sussman/brain/chaffwin.txt 21:01:39 <AaronSw> that example is easy to cryptoanalyze. 21:02:27 <AaronSw> Their algorithm is bad. 21:04:01 <lemonodor> oh, i went to school with that sussman person 21:04:35 <sbp> cool. it's the Twilight Coincidence 21:04:36 <sbp> Zone 21:04:52 <AaronSw> That's pretty cool. is he related to Gerry Sussman? 21:05:28 <sbp> ohh, he writes musicals 21:06:00 <AaronSw> ooh, he lives in chicago 21:06:15 <lemonodor> don't know. 21:07:03 <sbp> go and visit him! right now! pack your bag, walk out the door, and down the steet. never mind that Chicago is a big place 21:07:17 <sbp> tell him that his algorithm sucks and that you want your money back 21:08:29 <AaronSw> Hm, amk's implementation is pretty lame. 21:08:44 <AaronSw> Well, it's a decent implementation he just doesn't implement much. 21:09:13 <Morbus> Morbus (morbus@s90.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 21:09:26 <sbp> I think it comes with a "this is half finished" caveat 21:09:38 <AaronSw> * AaronSw tries to memorize a fingerprint. 21:09:44 <AaronSw> err his fingerprint 21:09:52 <sbp> I made a little rhyme out of mine. well, more like a story 21:10:22 <sbp> there once was a wicked cumberbund, who sailed off into the sea. He walked on a lonely platform where the tailor trapped a tree 21:10:25 <sbp> etc. 21:10:33 <AaronSw> what's the mapping to your fingerprint? 21:10:49 <sbp> well, I had to remember that bit 21:11:01 <sbp> but it's easier remembering those two things than the long random thing 21:11:42 <AaronSw> Are you going to tell me the mapping? 21:11:45 <sbp> and I wrote a little program to test how fast I could remember and type it. got down to something like 7-8 seconds 21:11:48 <sbp> of course not 21:11:52 <AaronSw> argh 21:11:55 <sbp> :-) 21:12:05 <sbp> you have to make up one that you personally can remember 21:12:21 <AaronSw> * AaronSw gives sbp some unhelpful points 21:12:31 <sbp> oh hang on and I'll show you the process 21:13:11 <sbp> >>> import random; ''.join([random.choice('0123456789abcdef') for i in range(7)]) 21:13:11 <sbp> 'ad115cc' 21:13:11 <sbp> >>> 21:13:54 <sbp> there, so you might say that "in 115 A.D., there was no one working on CC" or something 21:14:51 <AaronSw> ah 21:15:26 <sbp> "away in one-one-five A.D. do dah, do dah / there was no one to work on CC, oh do dah day" 21:15:52 <sbp> pay back your bank! 21:16:01 <sbp> Homer: You're all nuts 21:17:36 <AaronSw> RFC1751 recommends PO PAP BADE COAT FLUB HUGH TRY MEND DES GAIT FAY JUDD TOE LOOK DID CEIL BEAD JUG PLY GATE DAN COME LAM JOKE REP OVAL GIST GALA CARD JUG' 21:18:09 <Morbus> you said JUG twic. 21:18:41 <AaronSw> Hm, I'll go he time-tested route of recording it and playing the recording over and over 21:19:10 <Morbus> [off] ugh. 21:19:16 <Morbus> [off] is this the offlist thingy now? 21:21:08 <Morbus> ? 21:22:10 <Morbus> * Morbus grumbles. 21:23:38 <AaronSw> yes 21:24:23 <AaronSw> i'm all about brute force memorization 21:24:35 <Morbus> [off] so I email Winer asking if he had a doc about the attributes in his OPML for Radio. 21:24:45 <Morbus> [off] of course, he doesn't. i don't know why i'm surprised. 21:24:47 <sbp> * sbp pictures someone saying "4FAC 4838 B7D8 D13F A6D9 2EDB 4145 521E 79F0 DF4B, 4FAC 4838 B7D8 D13F A6D9 2EDB 4145 521E 79F0 DF4B, 4FAC 4838 B7D8 D13F A6D9 2EDB 4145 521E 79F0 DF4B" in a soothing voice 21:24:53 <AaronSw> heh, that's the recording 21:25:00 <sbp> heh, heh 21:25:55 <AaronSw> actually i have my computer repeat it for me 21:25:58 <sbp> I thought the thing about fingerprints was to copy them about as much as possible? it took me ages to find your fingerprint 21:26:24 <AaronSw> really? i used to have it on the bottom of every web page 21:26:32 <AaronSw> .google 4fac 21:26:53 <Morbus> no xena for you! 21:26:53 <AaronSw> 4fac: http://www.jobcorpshealth.com/directives/in00-03.pdf 21:27:08 <sbp> Searched the web for 4FAC 4838 B7D8 D13F A6D9 2EDB 4145 521E 79F0 DF4B. Results 1 - 6 of about 13. Search took 0.26 seconds. 21:27:30 <sbp> I found it in the Semplesh credits eventually 21:27:47 <AaronSw> * AaronSw adds to his sig 21:28:19 <sbp> Hmm... I'm surprised that there's no list of hex numbers up to FFFF anywhere 21:29:03 <AaronSw> * AaronSw adds to his website a bit more 21:29:54 <sbp> I'm thinking about having a monthly PGP key making session 21:30:03 <sbp> just have them set to expire after a month 21:30:23 <sbp> that way, people can send me encrypted mail if they like (since that's all I'd be using PGP for at the moment) 21:30:32 <sbp> (and even then, it's pretty unlikely) 21:30:42 <AaronSw> hm, it's on http://www.aaronsw.com/pgp aka http://www.aaronsw.com/pgp.html 21:31:07 <AaronSw> and now aaronsw.com 21:31:20 <sbp> I get plain text back from /pgp 21:31:35 <sbp> * sbp is thinking of switiching to Mozilla 21:31:46 <AaronSw> maybe k-meleon 21:31:54 <AaronSw> hm. i think i need to turn this into a song. my song memory is much better 21:32:17 <sbp> ooh, good reference 21:32:26 <AaronSw> reference? 21:32:39 <sbp> yeah. personally, I think that the RFC1751 recommendation for your fingerprint would go well sung to SHB 21:32:44 <sbp> ref: k-meleon 21:32:52 <lemonodor> userland is a mess sometimes. their aggregator won't validate 0.92 rss. not like there's a 0.92 dtd anyway. 21:33:30 <AaronSw> shb? 21:33:34 <AaronSw> oh, right 21:33:59 <AaronSw> there's a Subterranean Homepage Blog weblog 21:34:21 <Morbus> lemonodor: ampheta doesn't validate at all. 21:35:40 <sbp> tsk, non-validating XML parsers 21:35:42 <lemonodor> yeah, there's not much point there. 21:35:44 <GabeW> GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 21:37:32 <sbp> * sbp wonders why Mozilla had to bloat so 21:37:42 <lemonodor> but if you're allowing people to register feeds with a public listing, it makes more sense. 21:41:50 <sbp> wow, there are some great "words" in Aaron's public key, including but not limited to: S3nap, JEEFF, ohmboo, RigfloG, B000y, UMAKEA, HiEYE, and WodFAKT 21:42:28 <AaronSw> keep us updated 21:42:42 <sbp> B000y sounds like something that Morbus/Ash would say: "shut up B000y!" 21:43:49 <sbp> * sbp was just pondering the feasibility of memorizing a private key 21:44:45 <sbp> the best place to hide it would be to write it backwards on your butt 21:45:09 <sbp> s/place/way/ 21:49:33 <AaronSw> Ooh, this fingerprint song is good. 21:51:34 <sbp> MP3! 21:51:59 <Morbus> Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:53:07 <sbp> Hmm... if I generated about 238328 keys, one of them would have "sbp" as the first three letters. personalized keys! 21:53:29 <sbp> if only the "gather random data" bit could be made faster 21:54:06 <Acapnotic> sbp: just feed it all 1s, those are faster to generate 21:54:26 <AaronSw> * AaronSw breaks for 500 day quiz 21:58:08 <sbp> [off] heh, heh, these still make me laugh: http://infomesh.net/2002/swhackquot/ 22:05:20 <AaronSw> <AaronSw> logger, pointer? 22:05:21 <AaronSw> <logger> pphht, somewhere in bristol 22:06:53 <AaronSw> JosD: "we try to obey MT (maybe also because those are the initials of my wife ;-)" 22:10:13 <Morbus> Morbus (morbus@s96.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 22:13:16 <sbp> um... where are the logs? 22:13:36 <sbp> http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-06-11.txt gives "Multiple Choices" 22:13:58 <sbp> ah, http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-06-11.txt gives 200 22:14:47 <AaronSw> odd 22:15:15 <loggy> loggy has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:15:17 <loggy> loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 22:15:17 <loggy> * loggy is logging 22:15:27 <AaronSw> test 22:16:17 <sbp> sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:16:45 <SeanP> SeanP (sbp@m53-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 22:17:13 <AaronSw> oh shoot 22:17:13 <sbp> sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 22:18:28 <AaronSw> ah, fixed 22:21:07 <sbp> wonderblump 22:22:44 <AaronSw> * AaronSw continues with the blogspace moving process 22:22:52 <sbp> [that word was brought to you courtesy of my Mum] 22:22:59 <sbp> yay 22:23:12 <SeanP> howdy 22:23:26 <sbp> yeah? hi there. bye there 22:23:28 <SeanP> SeanP has quit () 22:23:42 <sbp> off he goes to spend money on penny-whistles and moonpie 22:37:17 <oierw> oierw is now known as oierw|sleep 23:13:01 <tansaku_xc> tansaku_xc (~sam@n146-181.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 23:14:45 <Morbus> lemonodor: any issues with amphetadesk? 23:18:33 <lemonodor> i have not been running it since this morning, sorry. that was a test, i'll probably install it at home when i get there :) 23:23:02 <Ash> lemonodor was faking you out, Morbus 23:23:02 <Ash> hehe 23:23:10 <sbp> faker! 23:23:16 <Morbus> oooh! 23:23:20 <Ash> hehe 23:23:34 <Morbus> http://www.edmurray.org/archive/000281.html#000281 23:23:52 <lemonodor> i have to admit, i have also, uh, looked at other readers. 23:23:56 <sbp> Iffy 23:24:01 <lemonodor> i thought we were just casual 23:24:32 <Morbus> gasp! 23:24:39 <Morbus> you've loo... i can't believe you cheated on me. 23:24:46 <Morbus> this is... it's just uncalled for. 23:27:39 <sbp> "you've loo"? Here we go loopy-loo? 23:29:17 <thelsdj> * thelsdj thinks a 'post to radio' feature would get me and quite a few other people i know running amphetadesk full time, ok ok morbus i'll stop complaining, atleast until i've gotten my hands dirty and actually contributed some code heh 23:29:54 <Morbus> thelsdj: you can add that yourself, i think.