00:07:25 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:41:34 Glitch with European hubbing, relatively low-usercount nodes affected. 00:42:05 when does a glitch become a problem? 00:42:40 when lilo can't fix it 00:42:52 heh 00:42:53 This is probably a good time to mention that we could use a couple of new European hubs. Probably 35-40K bits per second average. Please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml if you think you might be able to help. Thanks. 00:50:33 wmf is breaking new ground in the field of audioblogging 00:51:00 what you say? 00:51:28 with HTP radio... according to SN audioblogging is THE NEXT BIG THING OF THE REPUBLIC. 00:52:01 er, but I abandoned that after a few hours 00:52:15 eh, you're still a pioneer 00:52:28 yeah, that's the tickt 00:52:39 "I forgot more about audioblogging than you ever knew!" 00:52:55 "in my day we had to audioblog with tin cans. And string!" 00:54:29 will audioblogging kill the Radio star? 00:54:41 Ooh, these Ink gestures are cool. 00:54:54 or will that have to wait for videoblogging? 00:55:02 videoblogging 00:55:08 I'm a videoblogging pioneer. 00:55:15 are Ink gestures "live" all the time, or do you have to be in a mode? 00:55:15 yep, I was about to say that 00:55:39 bitsko, looks like you can turn it on so they'll work in any cocoa textbox 00:55:41 but I think we have to remember the ultimate pioneers, Wayne and Garth 00:56:04 oh? 00:56:22 * bitsko is just happy OSX textboxes support Emacs keybindings -- the sleeper of MOSX features 00:56:27 :-) 00:56:43 wow, sherlock3 is more of a watson ripoff than i thought 00:57:47 GTK also supports Emacs keybindings, until stupid apps reassign basic keys (like ^B from cursor-back to bold, duh) 00:58:26 * wmf reassign's all of bitsko's keybindings to Mac ones 00:58:36 I'd prefer that Emacs switched to OS X keybindings 00:58:50 mwahaha! take that, emacs! 00:59:31 all your keybinding are belong to the human interface guidelines 00:59:37 noooooo... 01:00:00 * AaronSw grabs emacs-on-aqua 01:03:03 ooh: http://www.gnufoo.org/macosx/ 01:03:13 bitsko, "a DefaultKeyBinding.dict file with many more emacs-ish features" 01:03:57 ha! talking cat 01:04:06 geez, these Sun users 01:06:57 can you turn the backslashes off in emacs? 01:08:36 on line-wrap? 01:08:44 yeah 01:08:56 probably, why? 01:09:07 because it makes it a pain to copy and paste 01:09:20 i have to trim out all these newlines and backslashes 01:09:20 ah, from text windows. 01:09:34 right 01:10:41 hehe, re the control key, I use a Happy Hacker keyboard ;) 01:11:05 heh 01:16:13 nope, don't see any variables for the line-wrap character. you can have it not line wrap at all, but then it truncates, so you wouldn't get anything 01:17:31 a native Emacs would support the clipboard. does X-Windows support converting from Unix to Aqua clipboard? 01:19:13 hm, not sure. 01:19:18 I mostly use emacs over SSH. 01:19:29 native emacs isn't really an option then, right? 01:20:09 I think there's remote-file support for SSH these days 01:20:19 hm? 01:21:07 emacs' find-file can use hooks to magically get files from places other than the file system, like ftp (ange-ftp) and WebDAV. I think it has ssh support these days 01:21:18 ah 01:21:36 yah mean scp support? 01:21:42 yes 01:22:12 this remote X thing seems cool 01:22:19 I hear emacs wiki-mode is really nice that way. 01:22:32 that sounds droolworthy 01:22:34 remote X? 01:23:21 yeah... http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Remote-X-Apps.html 01:24:35 Hm. What would be really cool is to have some command that sent the file to a server running on my machine which opened the file up in pepper and then sent the file back to the original machine 01:24:39 that actually sounds doable. 01:25:32 ooohh, I thought you meant something MOSX. X, of course, could remote from day one 01:25:56 well, there are these rumors about nextstep remoting in mosx, but no code i've seen 01:26:59 nextstep remoting worked the same way as it does in X, but it worked at the PostScript level. when MOSX switched to PDF, it broked. their new remote adminstration stuff has screen forwarding 01:29:18 yeah, NXHosting isn't possible in OS X 01:30:07 I think a bitmap-based approach should be possible, but Apple doesn't seem interested 01:31:40 how does their new remote admin stuff work? 01:32:02 it's whole-screen based, so you can't do remote apps with it 01:32:04 the classroom one, not necessarily the xServe one 01:32:11 ah 01:32:41 sad 01:32:43 and you can't even have multiple sessions a la windows terminal server 01:34:43 maybe Apple's worried that having remote display would eat into Mac sales 01:36:55 dunno how, it's not like they don't push the CPU-heavy apps that won't let one use thin-clients ;) 01:37:20 no way someone's using iPhoto on a Linux box remoted from the MOSX home-server :) 01:45:06 the Sun Ray proved that that would probably work OK, actually 01:54:14 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:55:26 wmf has quit ("[BX] Mike Tyson says BitchX BITES! Do you HEAR what I'm saying?!") 02:03:40 tansaku_xc has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 03:22:14 tansaku_xc (~sam@mtl13gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 03:39:03 bitsko has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:29:59 .time pst 04:36:30 la lala lal alal 04:37:25 [anvil falls on ash's head] 04:37:31 heh 04:50:17 tansaku_xc has quit (Success) 04:54:30 tansaku_xc (~sam@133.11.96.124) has joined #swhack 05:21:11 eikeon_ircii has quit ("Leaving") 05:41:06 * AaronSw -> sleep 05:43:01 L337-d00d (Akira@CPE0040054e235a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #swhack 05:46:39 L337-d00d has left #swhack 08:30:03 tansaku_xc has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 09:06:01 * sbp waves 09:07:35 * quasi waves back 09:08:13 wow, what kinda time zone are *you* on? :-) 09:09:02 CEST 09:09:12 .time CEST 09:09:48 +2? 09:10:01 almost lunchtime for you, anyhow 09:10:08 * sbp is still in the brunch period 09:10:58 yeah +2 because of summertime 09:32:40 tansaku_xc (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 10:37:22 kensaku (~sam@h133-163.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 10:55:23 tansaku_xc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:02:35 I wonder if I should sleep. 12:16:22 Jon Udell on Groove: "This is a little like parties at my house. We always try to get people to move into the living room (aka, the Discussion tool). But they keep on congregating in the kitchen (Chat tool). When we moved to a new house that is bigger, but with a smaller kitchen, I thought it would solve the problem. But nope. Everybody still piles into the kitchen :-)" 12:34:35 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 12:35:47 pixel has quit (Client Quit) 12:41:43 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 12:56:22 kensaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:16:32 bitsko (~KenMacLeo@66.187.196.132) has joined #swhack 13:34:59 Morbus (morbus@s94.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 13:35:34 http://www.apple.com/switch/ 13:36:04 trying to convince me? 13:36:38 If I had the money, I would have one right now =) 13:36:53 heh, heh,. 13:42:32 * bitsko K-Meleon doesn't remember visited links :( 13:45:00 AaronSw, do you know anyone named Tommy Williams? 13:45:15 don't think so 13:45:21 ah. ok. 13:45:31 he mentioned you on his blog, i think. 13:45:33 lemme find it. 13:45:56 ampheta user, etc. 13:46:05 http://www.sapid.com/tww/ 13:46:40 uh, i thought he mentioned you 13:47:26 nope. nevermind. 13:47:29 guess i was wrong. 13:51:55 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 13:52:20 *SWACK* 13:52:22 * redmonk appears 13:52:25 hey monk. 13:52:34 hiya 13:52:36 so, RSS seemed to lurch forward a bit there, but have we actually got anywhere yet? 13:52:50 with the testcases? 13:58:00 that too ;) 14:01:49 bitsko: are you interested in supporting all the published modules for rss 1.0 in AmphetaDesk? 14:03:03 in general, yes. what do you mean by "support"? 14:03:28 be able to read/display the elements used within the module in the AmphetaDesk template. 14:03:38 at this point, i'd only be looking for read/display not act/on/them. 14:03:45 * bitsko is a bit distraught over the "nobody uses RSS modules because we don't see any showing up at Syndic8" 14:03:52 heh, heh. 14:03:58 well, you know, that means that rss 1.0 sucks, you know. 14:04:16 if i can get all 17 modules supported in ampheta, maybe people will use 'em ;) 14:04:24 lol 14:04:51 Yeah, cuz we all know that if no one uses the modules thanrss must suck 14:05:08 i just said that :) 14:05:16 is Ampheta now XSLT based, or was that something else you guys were working on? 14:05:20 today sucks ass 14:05:21 rawr! 14:05:27 * Ash-w kill kill kill 14:05:27 nah, that was something that deus_ex was thinking about. 14:05:37 the templates in ampheta are perl. 14:05:45 so you could piggy back an XSLT reader on top of them. 14:05:46 ah 14:05:52 I actualyl started working on it a few weeks ago also, unbeknownst to anyone =) 14:05:54 ampheta is written in COBOL 14:05:56 but the shipped templates are just straight Text::Template perl. 14:06:11 GNU/COBOL 14:06:12 pixel, don't hide secrets from me you bitch 14:06:17 hehe. 14:06:45 bitsko: the main problem with the RSS 1.0 modules i've seen so far is the xml::simple reader i'm using in the back. 14:06:55 i'm using just a straight XMLin for all rss/scriptingNews. 14:06:57 * redmonk is still getting used to his new glasses 14:07:02 I was goign to convert the layout of my website directly into ampheta - but my website is run off XSL, so I thought it'd be cool if I could get ampheta to directly use it. The only problem is taht the XSL support in perl is fairly lacking in features. 14:07:05 and as such, its treebased, so mod_content creates a huUuge branch to try nd follow. 14:07:46 i haven't checked out the other modules, but i fear i'll run into the same sort of things. 14:08:01 right, you might need a tree module that can better handle the RDFness. there's an NS-enabled XML::Simple, I think, but there may be something easier too. 14:08:12 I'm late for a staff meeting, bbl 14:08:27 lol @ " there's an NS-enabled *XML::Simple*, I think, but there may be something easier too." 14:08:30 bitsko: i think NS XML::Simple requires XML::SAX in the backend, not XML::Parser 14:08:38 have Aaron describe the "Orchard Way" :) 14:08:48 does orchard run on classic mac? 14:08:49 ;) 14:09:02 augh. 14:09:25 pixel: until i make a decision either way, it stills going to be LCD in all my thoughts. 14:09:34 LCD? 14:09:41 oh. 14:09:43 lowest common denonmin.. 14:09:45 lowest common. 14:09:47 :) 14:09:59 Can we get ampheta to run on my ZX81? 14:10:11 sigh. 14:10:13 it has a 110 baud modem, and a cassette drive. 14:10:27 I used to have a scaled down version of perl that ran on it. 14:10:39 hehe 14:11:01 scaled-down, i.e., no regex ;) 14:11:09 heh. 14:11:15 did you see the new apocalpse? 14:11:19 something like 23 pages on regexps. 14:11:22 no regex, and you couldn't load modules =) 14:11:37 http://www.pricelessware.org/2002/pricelesswaredesktop.htm#news 14:11:38 oOooh. 14:11:47 ampheta won an award. 14:11:55 cooool 14:19:39 AaronSw has changed the topic to: THE INTERROTRON IS WATCHING 14:34:22 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 14:44:57 If you put tomfoolery into a computer, nothing comes out but tomfoolery. 14:44:57 But this tomfoolery, having passed through a very expensive machine, 14:44:57 is somehow enobled and no-one dare criticise it. 14:44:57 -- Pierre Gallois 14:48:41 deus_x (~deus_x@adsl-65-42-33-202.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 14:51:17 Ash-w has changed the topic to: AMPHETA WINS TEH LAM3R S0f+W3AR AW4RD fR0m g0aTp0rns3x.com1!1!@ 14:59:20 @ http://www.brunching.com/features/weblogfaqk.html 15:00:03 A: http://www.brunching.com/features/weblogfaqk.html from Ash-w 15:00:19 Will weblogs eventually replace traditional journalism, causing all current bastions of establishment reporting and punditry to run, dog-like and cowering, back to the ink-stained pits from which they were spawned? 15:00:19 Uh. 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It's a naked guy painted up like Spider-Man! 15:01:06 Got a URL? 15:01:44 heheh 15:01:55 :) 15:16:23 redmonk has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 bitsko has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 oierw has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 pixel has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 thelsdj has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 Ash-w has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 xena has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 sbp has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 Ash has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 loggy has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 walloper has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:23 quasi has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:24 AaronSw has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:24 deus_x has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:24 deltab has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:16:24 Acapnotic has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:18:24 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 15:18:30 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 15:18:30 * loggy is logging 15:26:28 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 15:26:35 logster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 15:26:35 topic is: AMPHETA WINS TEH LAM3R S0f+W3AR AW4RD fR0m g0aTp0rns3x.com1!1!@ 15:26:35 Users on #swhack: logster deus_x deltab Acapnotic 15:27:34 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 15:27:57 thelsdj (~adam@p149.tc3.rnktel.net) has joined #swhack 15:28:49 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 15:31:09 logster (nobody@216.75.92.90) has joined #swhack 15:31:09 Users on #swhack: logster 15:33:14 aaronsw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 15:33:36 aaronsw has quit (Client Quit) 15:33:42 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 15:33:56 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 16:04:16 logster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 16:04:16 Users on #swhack: logster 16:04:56 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 16:04:59 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 16:06:15 all alone, holding my own. 16:06:20 pixel has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:06:21 Ash-w (~aaron@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 16:08:19 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 16:08:19 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 16:08:19 * loggy is logging 16:08:40 AaronSw (~Snak@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 16:08:59 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 16:09:21 deus_x (~deus_x@adsl-65-42-33-202.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) has joined #swhack 16:09:29 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We are slowly coming back from a fairly serious and novel difficulty with klines. We have a circumvention and an approach for the time being. Apologies for the inconvenience, and we continue to come back up. 16:10:00 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 16:10:12 wow 16:10:18 someone KLINE * again? 16:11:09 Ash-w has changed the topic to: Oops.. did I k-line *!*@* ? 16:11:25 ehehe 16:13:21 bitsko (~KenMacLeo@66.187.196.132) has joined #swhack 16:13:37 wow, the netsplit musta got most everybody 16:14:04 AaronSw has changed the topic to: lost in space 16:14:21 That was no netsplit. 16:14:26 Acapnotic (~kevin@65.100.38.69) has joined #swhack 16:14:30 what was it? 16:14:37 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Hi all. We are slowly coming back from a fairly serious and novel difficulty with klines. We have a circumvention and an approach for the time being. Apologies for the inconvenience, and we continue to come back up. 16:14:50 hehe 16:14:50 ah 16:15:06 PING chumpy: 21 seconds 16:15:17 AaronSw: did you do anything with the Orchard/Perl stuff, or just Py? 16:15:25 just py 16:15:37 * bitsko ouch! quit that! 16:15:46 heh 16:16:12 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 16:16:22 I wonder if the "solution" was to take down services 16:16:40 Morbus: the Orchard/Perl stuff is SAX-based, but it's easy to use with just XML::Parser 16:17:00 no other SAX modules required 16:17:08 jeez. 16:17:10 i had a lot of problems getting in today. 16:17:14 bitsko: how easy? i thought it was a C/XS library, in which case, it needs to be ported to all the OSes I use. 16:17:23 pure Perl. 16:17:29 Morbus, you and everyone else. the network was screwed 16:17:55 even the most part of SAX modules are pure Perl 16:18:04 Ash-w has changed the topic to: Hi all. We are slowly coming back from a fairly serious and novel difficulty with klines. We have a circumvention and an approach for the time being. Apologies for the incompetence, and we continue to come back up. 16:18:20 Ash-w has changed the topic to: Hi all. We are slowly coming back from a fairly serious and novel difficulty with klines. We have a circumvention and an approach for the time being. Apologies for the incompetence, and we continue to come back up. || http://lilofree.net/ 16:18:25 Seth (~seth@12-230-243-179.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 16:18:40 the base SAX modules and the XML::Parser-based SAX parser are pure-Perl. but creating a minimal SAX-like parser over XML::Parser for use with Orchard is very tiny 16:18:43 AaronSw has changed the topic to: If this were my IRC network, we'd have 100% downtime! 16:19:42 bitsko: my problem is I know nothing about SAX. i worry about my incompetance in trying to bring anything over to SAX parsing. 16:19:58 besides XML::Simple (which supposedly can use XML::SAX?), I use XML::Parser to do OPML parsing. 16:19:58 I'm trying to see in Orchard's RDF::Orchard if it really does what it's supposed to be doing or if it was just an example 16:20:33 well, SAX is far simpler than XML::Parser, if that helps any ;) 16:20:46 i also heard something recently that it "supports" various versions of RSS, so it's not going to give me as clear/generic an interface as an XML::Simple 16:20:58 since I'm finagled into it's definition of "support". 16:21:04 but tell me more ;) 16:21:20 what support various versions of RSS? 16:21:34 XML::Simple? 16:21:39 i dunno. i thought i just heard something about Orchard and Peerkat. 16:21:56 and how Peerkat didnd't support non 1.0 feeds, but Orchard now does, so it should be possible in Peerkat. 16:22:00 no, not XML::Simple. 16:22:50 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Reannouncement. We experienced a problem with the UNKLINE code and we have a workaround. We're slowly coming back up. Apologies for the inconvenience and I think we can avoid a repetition. 16:23:50 am I way off? 16:24:00 Orchard will give as clear/generic an interface as XML::Simple, it's based on the same principle. Orchard doesn't inherently have support for non-RDF format, tho 16:24:07 s/inherently/currently/ 16:24:40 ah. 16:24:51 Morbus, that peerkat stuff is only for the py version 16:25:16 http://orchard.sourceforge.net/doc/rdftest.pl is what Orchard looks like compared to XML::Simple 16:25:58 iirc, the biggest difference from XML::Simple would be the support for NS 16:26:10 looks pretty similar. 16:26:33 in Orchard, you create a namespace object ($RSS) and then use $RSS->title as hash keys 16:26:51 and how well can I mess with the strucutre of that object? 16:26:59 for instance, in the alpha AmphetaDesk, 16:27:00 fully 16:27:14 I parse all versions of RSS and scriptingNews, but by the time the object gets to the template, its all the same structure. 16:27:20 so people don't have to worry about the version... 16:27:21 it fully supports Perl hash access 16:27:26 * Morbus nods. 16:27:41 ok, so Orchard requires XML::SAX? 16:27:45 or XML::Parser? 16:27:48 yes, that's what I meant about the non-RDF parsers 16:27:50 or neither? 16:28:00 lol 16:28:01 * sbp waves 16:28:06 great topic AaronSw 16:28:13 it can work solely on XML::Parser with it's own XML::Parser->SAX module 16:28:15 hee 16:28:21 Ash-w has changed the topic to: If this were my IRC network, we'd have 100% porntime! 16:28:27 lol 16:28:41 bitsko: well, i'm just thinking, if I need XML::SAX, then XML::Simple supports NS with SAX, so I wouldn't need Orchard, per se. 16:28:52 mmMm. porn! 16:28:53 Orchard does not require XML::SAX 16:28:55 AaronSw has changed the topic to: If this were my IRC network, we'd time 100% have good yes 188mj ahahdj 16:29:15 so it just hooks into XML::Parser, with a SAX module? 16:29:22 a SAX frontend, rather? 16:29:22 ? 16:29:39 at least Ash didn't have to explain his topic :-) 16:29:58 ah, well, I would say that of XML::Simple supports NS in a way you like, merely by having to go with XML::SAX too, you might want to go that way because I couldn't guarantee much support-time for Orchard right now 16:30:13 mmhmm/ 16:30:31 AaronSw has changed the topic to: If this were my IRC network, we'd time 100% schkurdle 16:30:55 If this were my IRC network, we'd time 100% of the new flurking grenkingshminder and the floop skipp widdly doo! 16:31:04 AaronSw has changed the topic to: If this were my IRC network, we'd time 100% of the new flurking grenkingshminder and the floop skipp widdly doo! 16:31:11 I tried... 16:31:25 :-) 16:31:40 GabeW (~gorilla@adsl-216-101-18-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 16:31:47 http://orchard.sourceforge.net/doc/XMLParser.pm is Orchard's SAX shim 16:32:09 that's the one that hooks into XML::Parser to give SAX output to Orchard. 16:32:32 the SAXDriver stuff comes with Orchard? 16:32:35 how big is Orchard, btw? 16:32:47 note that that shim predates the final Perl SAX2 spec, so would need a little minor changes 16:34:19 300 lines, not including something to read RSS 0.9x/OPML like XML::Simple does (maybe another 100-150 lines?) 16:34:58 hmm? what do you mean "not including"? XML::Simple doesn't "read" that stuff. I just XMLin, and get a data structure, then I parse throught that. 16:35:18 if I were doing it the "Orchard Way", I'd have the RSS 0.9x/OPML parser do an on-the-fly conversion to their namespaced equivalents, so the "native" mode of Orchard would be "rich" 16:35:21 and then, for the super large files (like a 1 meg list), I use XML::Parser to get a tree based only on the data I need. 16:35:22 .google vorpal etymology 16:36:03 bitsko: mmhmm. well, the channel parsing of AmphetaDesk is all confined to one routine, so if you wanted to make an Orchard port and show me, you could ;) 16:36:12 heh 16:37:05 vorpal etymology: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-12-31.txt 16:37:30 correct, re. XMLin. Orchard's 'load()' does the same as XMLin, you get a data structure as the return value 16:37:39 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We'll attempt to reintroduce services in a moment. However, at the moment, we only have access to a very old database. Please bear with us and check with us if you have problems. Thanks. 16:38:46 [GlobalNotice] The current database is as of 7 May, so it's a bit over a month old. 16:39:28 This nickname is owned by someone else 16:39:32 it's *so* not 16:39:44 Are you arguing with nickserv? 16:40:10 yes 16:41:02 ah, Orchard's support of mixed content (mod_content or rdfs:parseType="Literal") is another 300 lines :-/ 16:41:26 I agree that "this nickname is owned by someone else" is a wholly terrible phrasing. 16:42:29 when Orchard encounters rdfs:parseType="Literal", it stores a DOM at that location in the data structure 16:42:59 could have it just store the plain XML, too 16:43:49 modding XML::Simple to do the same would probably be easy as well 16:48:01 ooh: http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/06/10.html#day_1_jackie 16:51:04 justme (justme@p5530.vwr.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 16:51:04 bitsko: i've got mod_content in CDATA in one line ;) 16:51:56 That's Math-A-Mat-ics 16:51:58 * bitsko wonders the code behind that statement ;) 16:52:00