IRC log of swhack on 2002-06-06

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00:52:48 [sbp]
.wn generic
00:52:54 [xena]
generic defined as:
00:52:55 [xena]
- adj 1: (biology) relating to or common to or descriptive of all members of a genus; "the generic name"
00:52:56 [xena]
- 2: (of drugs) not protected by trademark; "`Acetaminophen' is the generic form of the proprietary drug `Tylenol'"
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- 3: applicable to an entire class or group; "is there a generic Asian mind?"
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02:04:43 [AaronSw]
hwodyh
02:05:14 [sbp]
hwodyh
02:05:34 [sbp]
who rea yuo toyad?
02:05:51 [AaronSw]
good, thanks.
02:06:02 [sbp]
:-)
02:07:02 [AaronSw]
heh, sbp makes HTP
02:07:20 [sbp]
heh, it was a wonderful little rant
02:12:25 [AaronSw]
hm, still can't get to HTP radio
02:13:51 [wmf]
HTP radio is down
02:13:57 [wmf]
it was just too flaky
02:15:25 [AaronSw]
heh: ugh, ugh, slow, bearable, ok, fast, faster, rocks, awesome, insane, dude!
02:17:11 [AaronSw]
Panic: 'It's been about four (!) years, but we've got some new stuff coming up, and we didn't think the whole "looks like they've gone out of business" look was working for us well, so we finally revised our site. Let us know what you think!'
02:17:40 [AaronSw]
that quickdownload thing is cool, tho it crashed my browser
02:18:23 [AaronSw]
Eric: "The last 2 people to sign up will be ones responsible for taking notes"
02:18:23 [AaronSw]
DanC: Ooh! that's a GREAT idea! I think I'll try it in WebOnt...
02:19:02 [AaronSw]
wow, they have an office
02:19:05 [AaronSw]
do they make money?
02:20:32 [AaronSw]
that's a big office for two people
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02:38:37 [AaronSw]
heh, it's easier to crash mozilla than to quit out of it
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02:51:46 [redmonk]
hello
02:57:50 [redmonk]
[off] testing 123
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03:12:35 [AaronSw]
hi
03:12:41 [wmf]
hey AaronSw
03:13:25 [AaronSw]
I'm having weird problems.
03:13:27 [AaronSw]
My network connection is flaking out...
03:13:33 [AaronSw]
it still won't let me get 10.1.5
03:13:52 [wmf]
bummer
03:15:09 [wmf]
hmm, the retail eMac is (in some cases) cheaper than the edu version
03:16:47 [walloper]
<lilo> hi all, another round of bot cleanup in progress, please email support@openprojects.net if you are klined by mistake. we'll try to be careful.
03:18:00 [AaronSw]
Wes' emails to McCusker are funny.
03:18:13 [wmf]
in what way?
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(besides the obvious jokes)
03:20:11 [wmf]
oh geez, there's a Chimera-like theme for Mozilla
03:20:13 [AaronSw]
role reversal I guess. "I've analyzed your network settings" makes you sound like some engineer on the Star Trek Enterprise
03:21:42 [AaronSw]
Hm, I'm gonna try and get some sleep. nite.
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morning all
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*BAMPH*
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* redmonk appears
13:50:02 [pixel]
yoyoyoyo
13:51:16 [redmonk]
hey pix
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sup
13:52:59 [pixel]
not much.
14:00:13 [sbp]
* sbp waves
14:16:32 [Morbus]
heh.
14:16:34 [Morbus]
[[[
14:16:34 [Morbus]
The government has installed BLACK BOXES into ISPs to watch your
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Internet surfing.
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]]]
14:16:41 [Morbus]
i am part of the conspiracy, dear spammer.
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you have been reported.
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<lilo> Ongoing mop-up of clonebot nets in process. This is the part where an accidental kline of a normal user is an occasional possibility. If you notice someone disappearing who clearly shouldn't, or you are subsequently klined for unclear or invalid reasons, please email support@openprojects.net .... thanks.
14:46:04 [Ash]
Ash has changed the topic to: <xena> STOP KLIENING ME LIELO!!!111@!
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14:47:51 [AaronSw]
ggez, Dave is really bashing Dan Gillmor
14:47:53 [AaronSw]
oh come on! can't you p[ick a mroe crsatinve topic?
14:47:57 [sbp]
heh, heh
14:48:11 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: <Ash> I HAV3 NO CEARTIVITEEE!!!11@!
14:48:37 [AaronSw]
Dave has concluded that Dan Gillmor is not a journalist, apparently.
14:50:17 [AaronSw]
Dave: "I can't think of a professional journal, with the exception of the Register (see below) that I trust at this level. Sad situation."
14:51:44 [AaronSw]
ooh, he even says it at the bottom!
14:51:49 [AaronSw]
he admits who Mr. X is!
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* bitsko is confused by the direction the HTML encoding in RSS discussion is headed...
14:54:36 [bitsko]
first, the red herring of CDATA. I wish people would just "get it" that CDATA or not is simply irrelevant (and shame on Edd for mentioning it)
14:54:52 [Morbus]
yeah.
14:56:06 [bitsko]
then encoding... no question some people have language, charset, and encoding mixed up. we need a glossary ;)
14:56:25 [bitsko]
s/then encoding/then charsets/
14:56:44 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
14:56:53 [Morbus]
i've mixed up char/encoding myself at times.
14:57:13 [sbp]
character set... all I can say is: argh!
14:57:21 [sbp]
.google "Character Set considered harmful"
14:57:22 [bitsko]
the HTML thing is just a "make a decision dammit. wait a minute, I thought we made a decision, dammit; now what the hell are you talking about?"
14:57:22 [xena]
"Character Set considered harmful": http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html-spec/charset-harmful.html
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14:59:06 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
14:59:10 [Morbus]
where do you stand on that?
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the html?
15:01:07 [bitsko]
if nothing else, we need to have feeds be consistent in their use. no question that feeds are already using HTML.
15:02:29 [bitsko]
in 1.0, I think we should either allow XHTML in content, or create elements specifically to support XHTML in content (which is really already mod_content)
15:02:52 [Morbus]
concernign xhtml in content:
15:03:04 [Morbus]
i dunno about others, but that'd require a rewrite of XML::RSS.
15:03:09 [Morbus]
and it'd break most XML::Simple parsers.
15:03:10 [bitsko]
in 0.9x, I think the given is that we already get HTML, so let's figure out what the encoding is and be done with it.
15:04:14 [bitsko]
XIC -- that's kinda tough. rdf:literal encoding has always been an option
15:04:29 [sbp]
rdfs:Literal
15:04:43 [bitsko]
thx ;)
15:05:34 [sbp]
actually rdf:parseType="Literal" is the syntax sugar used to supply that datatype
15:06:09 [bitsko]
hmm, and it's not even Friday yet ;)
15:06:31 [bitsko]
you're correct, of course ;)
15:08:05 [AaronSw]
how does this AP get 22mbps? http://www.computers4sure.com/product.asp?productid=1177367
15:09:04 [sbp]
[off] reasons why N3 beats the fuck out of XML RDF #548095: to denote a literal in XML RDF, you have to put a rdf:parseType="Literal" attribute on the surrounding element. In N3, you put it in quote marks: "".
15:09:05 [pixel]
compression?
15:09:23 [AaronSw]
200% compression?
15:09:39 [AaronSw]
seems sorta weird... it'd need new client software, no?
15:09:46 [pixel]
I would think.
15:10:06 [pixel]
at the very least, if it's a redone 802.11b spec, you'll need thier cards.
15:10:31 [redmonk]
http://www.unsanity.com/download.php?product=silk
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OMG
15:10:39 [bitsko]
dual channel?
15:10:48 [redmonk]
quartz font rendering in carbon apps
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mozilla looks
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[off] FUCKING AWESOME
15:11:00 [redmonk]
really cool
15:11:06 [sbp]
lol
15:11:45 [pixel]
http://www.d-link.com/products/DigitalHome/Wireless/11b+/11b+wireless.asp
15:11:55 [pixel]
I think you have to have thier cards to get 22 out of it.
15:11:57 [bitsko]
does N3 support the Pyism of """blah blah blah"""?
15:12:33 [pixel]
I'll stick with my 100MB switch =)
15:13:09 [AaronSw]
bitsko, yes
15:13:34 [sbp]
it doesn't support single quotes, though
15:13:42 [bitsko]
for XiC, that's one area where the conformance suite will help. toolkits should not be barfing on literals
15:15:44 [bitsko]
hmm, re N3, there's a difference between rdfs:parseType="Literal" and a string. I presume quoting in N3 means "string", not specifically PCDATA XML
15:16:21 [sbp]
that's true
15:16:57 [sbp]
although I suspect one can introduce xml:infoset as a property linking a string literal to the infoset that you get when you parse it as XML
15:21:10 [AaronSw]
I wonder if I should tell you all
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...
15:21:31 [bitsko]
nah. we don't want to hear anything interesting or new...
15:21:36 [AaronSw]
alright
15:22:14 [bitsko]
everybody else must be asleep!
15:23:01 [sbp]
please tell us. I'm sure that some are almost exploding with anticipation
15:23:32 [sbp]
so unless you want assorted bot/human parts all over the floor of swhack...
15:24:03 [AaronSw]
well, i was just going to note that logster's comment syntax is #
15:24:09 [AaronSw]
but loggy's is [off]
15:24:11 [AaronSw]
that is all
15:24:31 [bitsko]
hehe
15:25:05 [sbp]
oh... logster's back
15:25:15 [sbp]
so it's actually impossible to be off-log? well, that's not good
15:25:55 [sbp]
nor:-
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[off] # blargh
15:26:08 [AaronSw]
you'll have to use both
15:26:13 [AaronSw]
[off] blargh
15:26:18 [AaronSw]
that should cover you
15:26:19 [sbp]
um... that's not going to work now, is it
15:26:40 [AaronSw]
Heh, no, not really.
15:26:42 [AaronSw]
There's always
15:26:42 [bitsko]
hehehehe
15:26:57 [sbp]
heh
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15:27:45 [AaronSw]
I guess it's time to move things over to vorpal.
15:27:58 [bitsko]
AaronSw: did you note Bill Seitz wondering if the current SemPlesh API is the "perfect" API you envisioned once?
15:28:05 [AaronSw]
yes
15:28:11 [AaronSw]
he emailed me...
15:28:38 [sbp]
ah. I think he's emailing everyone
15:28:56 [sbp]
.google "Bill Seitz"
15:29:24 [AaronSw]
did he email you too, bitsko?
15:29:33 [AaronSw]
or did i miss an HTP post?
15:29:36 [sbp]
<xena> "Bill Seitz": http://webseitz.editthispage.com/
15:32:13 [xena]
"Bill Seitz": http://webseitz.editthispage.com/
15:32:21 [AaronSw]
heh. "Here's a guy who looks like Osama and posts pictures of himself brushing his teeth...Get a life!"
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15:48:31 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: Wanted: one off-log string for an IRC channel. Must be short, and easy to type
15:51:09 [sbp]
we'll have to say "dickety"
16:11:19 [AaronSw]
ooh, gonna get me a replacement computer
16:19:28 [Morbus]
o!
16:19:34 [Morbus]
ofor the offlog.
16:19:38 [Morbus]
ophelia would be proud
16:19:57 [Morbus]
just got a report that the new ampheta was "30X fasster"
16:23:42 [AaronSw]
ooh, tivo backdoor codes
16:24:06 [pixel]
for 2.5.2?
16:24:40 [pixel]
the backdoor enabler for 2.5 (B D 2 5) doesn't seem to work in 2.5.2
16:25:10 [pixel]
BTW, in the next few weekends sometime I'll be installing an additional 40GB drive in my tivo.
16:30:45 [AaronSw]
That enabler worked for me, but some of the secret codes didn't.
16:30:58 [AaronSw]
It went all "BACKDOORS ENABLED!!!!"
16:31:09 [AaronSw]
but i couldn't get the commercial skip thing working
16:33:59 [pixel]
once I got the upgrade from 2..5.0 to 2.5.2 the backdoors stopped working.
16:34:51 [Morbus]
AaronSw: commercial skip?
16:34:56 [Morbus]
i think i need to report you.
16:35:02 [AaronSw]
heh
16:35:04 [Morbus]
unless you're going to the bathroom, you can't skip commercials.
16:35:10 [Morbus]
and you can't spend a long time in the bathroom either.
16:35:17 [Morbus]
shit, and get outta there. i have new cars to move.
16:35:22 [pixel]
that's why we have pause on the ticvo.
16:35:33 [pixel]
do you have a standalone or directv/tivo?
16:35:47 [Morbus]
a standalone.
16:35:50 [Morbus]
i don't pay for cable.
16:35:58 [Morbus]
it uh... magically works.
16:36:29 [pixel]
not you dopey. aaron.
16:36:38 [Morbus]
well, scuse me, sleazy
16:36:54 [AaronSw]
heh, Morbus is a cable thief AND commercial skipper
16:37:00 [AaronSw]
pixel, i have a standalone
16:37:02 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
16:37:16 [pixel]
hehe
16:40:29 [AaronSw]
Ugh, Zooko lost a disk.
16:48:10 [AaronSw]
Ooh, BenSw came home with a guitar.
16:48:15 [AaronSw]
He's taking lessons, apparently.
16:48:36 [pixel]
string or electric?
16:49:10 [sbp]
s/string/acoustic/
16:49:24 [AaronSw]
acoustic
16:51:53 [pixel]
:)
16:53:00 [AaronSw]
And Noah got a bigger guitar.
16:53:08 [AaronSw]
I'm supposed to take piano lessons apparently.
16:54:17 [pixel]
forming a band?
16:55:13 [AaronSw]
that'll be one weird band
16:56:12 [pixel]
eheh
16:56:17 [pixel]
I've heard of weirder.
16:56:17 [sbp]
don't you want to learn the piano?
16:56:27 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
16:56:41 [sbp]
yeah you do, or yeah you don't?
16:56:50 [AaronSw]
i do
16:57:12 [sbp]
you do don't, or do do?
16:58:09 [sbp]
drat, I almost got him to say do do
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Gotta run
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heheh'
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17:22:19 [jillium]
What's wrong with # as an off-log string?
17:22:33 [Morbus]
don't question the dictator.
17:23:10 [pixel]
how about ^ for off log. makes it feel like you're shoving the line up, up and away.
17:23:28 [jillium]
Acceptable, but I still prefer #.
17:23:45 [jillium]
Because I type # at the beginnings of lines a lot, so it feels very natural. And I don't see any reason to change it.
17:24:34 [pixel]
I know.
17:24:41 [jillium]
* jillium nods.
17:24:47 [jillium]
* jillium preaches to the choir.
17:24:53 [Morbus]
^ doesn't work for me.
17:24:57 [Morbus]
my fingers don't stretch that far.
17:25:14 [pixel]
maybe // ? javascript style one-line comment?
17:25:23 [pixel]
you're very good at one handed things.
17:25:24 [Morbus]
think of all that bandwidth wasted!
17:25:29 [Morbus]
i am! i'm like the fucking master.
17:25:33 [pixel]
HAHAHAHA
17:25:36 [jillium]
except that / at the beginning of the line is usually an irc command.
17:25:41 [pixel]
try.
17:25:44 [pixel]
try = true.
17:25:46 [pixel]
oops.
17:25:53 [jillium]
one hand master! Hee
17:25:54 [Morbus]
i still think the letter o should be it.
17:25:55 [pixel]
I think # is perfect.
17:25:59 [pixel]
o?
17:26:02 [Morbus]
oshut the hell up.
17:26:07 [jillium]
Yes, # is perfect.
17:26:10 [pixel]
how about: ***&^&%* at the beginning?
17:26:18 [pixel]
that won't ever be duplicated.
17:26:19 [jillium]
O Morbus, is this line offlog?
17:26:46 [Morbus]
no.
17:26:53 [Morbus]
just like 1 and ! are different
17:26:56 [Morbus]
so are o and O.
17:27:10 [jillium]
!!!!! OFFLOG
17:27:24 [jillium]
hmmm.
17:27:25 [Morbus]
maybe the caps lock key should be offlog.
17:27:28 [Morbus]
so anything in capitals
17:27:34 [Morbus]
JILLZILLA. I NEED YOUR BOOBIES. NOW.
17:27:37 [Morbus]
that's off log.
17:27:43 [jillium]
heh. that's basically an ash filter.
17:27:52 [Morbus]
ah, see, two birds with one stone.
17:28:07 [jillium]
* jillium laughs. Yeah, no-mor-jeffkspeak.
17:28:15 [AaronSw]
itsa jill
17:28:20 [Morbus]
itsa meatball
17:28:24 [jillium]
meesa jill
17:29:11 [pixel]
meesa jill-jar binks?
17:29:18 [AaronSw]
jill-jill binks
17:29:19 [jillium]
jillium is now known as jilljar
17:29:44 [pixel]
hehehe
17:30:15 [Morbus]
romance, morbus style:
17:30:16 [Morbus]
[[[
17:30:16 [Morbus]
01,9904[14:31] morbus_iff: 01it is.
17:30:16 [Morbus]
04[14:31] morbus_iff: 01and like you and me. you know, if i invented the alphabet, i've been told to put U and I together.
17:30:16 [Morbus]
04[14:31] morbus_iff: 01now, i'm not entirely sure what that means,
17:30:16 [Morbus]
04[14:31] morbus_iff: 01but if you had a beautiful body, i'd hold it against you.
17:30:18 [Morbus]
04[14:31] morbus_iff: 01i mean, wait.
17:30:20 [Morbus]
04[14:31] morbus_iff: 01dammit. i'm so bad at this.01,99
17:30:22 [Morbus]
]]]
17:30:30 [jilljar]
* jilljar swoons. red!
17:30:35 [Morbus]
sorry. stupid program.
17:30:38 [jilljar]
* jilljar goes mad with passion.
17:30:38 [Morbus]
auto colors paste.
17:30:46 [AaronSw]
and green!
17:30:51 [jilljar]
I see only red.
17:30:57 [Morbus]
[xxxx] 01,9901keep trying hunny
17:30:57 [Morbus]
04[14:32] morbus_iff: 01mmaky. uh. what will you make me for breakfast tomorrow?01,99
17:31:07 [jilljar]
* jilljar heads for the airport to fly to Morbus.
17:31:15 [Morbus]
yay!
17:31:19 [Morbus]
i've swooned jilljar!
17:31:19 [jilljar]
* jilljar neglects to wear panties.
17:31:23 [Morbus]
and a skirt!
17:32:09 [pixel]
wow. she didnt require much.
17:32:21 [redmonk]
http://www.redmonk.net/2002/06/06#item1275
17:32:22 [Morbus]
yeah, i dind't have to ask about the panties thing
17:32:27 [Morbus]
that's why she's perfect for me.
17:32:29 [Morbus]
she knows my desires.
17:32:34 [jilljar]
meesa perfect for Morbus!
17:33:22 [AaronSw]
but can morbus deal with the jarjar accent?
17:33:33 [Morbus]
pff, who says i'm gonna listen to her.
17:33:38 [Morbus]
all i'm hearing is "forgot panties"
17:34:18 [AaronSw]
heh: http://media.redmonk.net/images/celebrateGreed.jpg
17:34:58 [redmonk]
Go, my SWACK minions, spread my meme far and wide!
17:35:16 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw silkifies
17:35:23 [redmonk]
mmmm, Silk
17:35:33 [Morbus]
AaronSw: did you check out his screenshot? nudge, nudge.
17:35:42 [AaronSw]
yes, yes
17:35:50 [Morbus]
poke, poke.
17:35:52 [AaronSw]
blah blah blah ampheta blah blah blah
17:35:53 [redmonk]
hehe
17:36:03 [redmonk]
i am morbus 1 man PR department
17:36:11 [Morbus]
yeaaaah.
17:36:15 [Morbus]
i don't spend a dime on PR.
17:36:16 [Morbus]
;)
17:36:27 [Morbus]
i get the she... uh. the lovely users to do it for me ;)
17:36:55 [AaronSw]
newsflash: morbus calls users females
17:37:03 [Morbus]
shemales, baybee!
17:37:37 [Morbus]
oh man, long ago, i released this floppy disk / porn zip file called "The Shemales vs. Godzilla"
17:37:38 [redmonk]
oy.
17:37:50 [Morbus]
it was like nine pictures of shemales, and the rest were godzilla.
17:37:55 [Morbus]
i had a couple of those packs.
17:37:57 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw looks for a font that looks good silkified
17:37:59 [Morbus]
it was like garbage porn kids.
17:38:34 [redmonk]
lucida grande
17:38:37 [redmonk]
aaaronsw
17:38:40 [redmonk]
aaaaaronsw
17:38:44 [AaronSw]
yes
17:38:59 [redmonk]
i'm using it in snak now
17:39:04 [AaronSw]
what size?
17:39:05 [redmonk]
snak look nice silkified too
17:39:08 [redmonk]
10
17:39:30 [AaronSw]
Hm. I think this antialiased thing takes some getting used to.
17:39:50 [Morbus]
* Morbus agrees.
17:39:55 [Morbus]
i sometimes like the crisper letters.
17:40:04 [Morbus]
i set my finder anti-alias high so that my fonts are left alone.
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17:41:36 [Morbus]
[[[
17:41:38 [Morbus]
xxx: you're not ordinary. unique, i'd say.
17:41:38 [Morbus]
[14:42] xxx: i'm going to a naughty lady party tomorrow night.
17:41:38 [Morbus]
[14:42] morbus_iff: so, see! you've got to *collect* me. i'm one of a kind! make sure you bed me before someone else does!
17:41:38 [Morbus]
]]]
17:42:03 [Morbus]
that 13 year old girl never IMed me back.
17:42:04 [Morbus]
thank god.
17:42:14 [AaronSw]
Dan Bricklin: "Using names like that made it seem like it was some deep moral problem to be disclosed, like that your editor molested high school interns or something."
17:42:37 [notme]
oooh, i haven't seen danbri in forever.
17:43:00 [Acapnotic]
Dan Bricklin is a different danbri though, right?
17:43:09 [notme]
Oh, dear.
17:43:13 [Morbus]
yes?
17:43:29 [redmonk]
heh
17:43:32 [notme]
* notme coughs. I knew that! Yes, I did! :-)
17:43:45 [notme]
There can never be enough danbris.
17:44:25 [AaronSw]
danbri is Dan Brickley
17:45:00 [notme]
A brick here, a brick there.
17:45:17 [notme]
soon you have a brick wall.
17:45:28 [AaronSw]
now we're talking real bricks
17:45:29 [Morbus]
and i'm a brick layer!
17:45:33 [Morbus]
* Morbus chuckles.
17:45:39 [notme]
* notme covers morbus in mortar.
17:45:44 [redmonk]
"all you are, is just another brickley in the wall..."
17:45:44 [Morbus]
jill: remember last halloween?
17:45:49 [Morbus]
you went as a brick, and me as a brick layer?
17:45:53 [Morbus]
man, after the candy, the sex was great.
17:46:06 [notme]
* notme strains to remember.
17:46:25 [AaronSw]
Ooh, i'm in the mozilla credits
17:48:18 [redmonk]
wow.
17:48:24 [redmonk]
cool beans, asw
17:48:26 [AaronSw]
thanks?
17:48:39 [AaronSw]
oops, silly interrobang
17:49:04 [notme]
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17:53:39 [AaronSw]
no! jillzilla is deleting treefiles!
17:53:51 [redmonk]
my wife needed to get fingerprinted for a local school job...
17:54:08 [redmonk]
she called, and the local police wouldn't do it for her
17:54:13 [AaronSw]
.criminaldb redmonk's wife
17:54:18 [AaronSw]
<xena> SERIAL KILLER
17:54:23 [redmonk]
(no wonder the crime rate is so high!)
17:54:28 [Ash-w]
weeeeeeee
17:54:43 [redmonk]
I told her to rob a bank :)
17:55:52 [AaronSw]
aargh, too much antialiasing
17:55:55 [AaronSw]
i can't take it anymore
17:56:30 [redmonk]
hehe
17:57:02 [Ash-w]
* Ash-w antialiases asw's eyes
17:57:42 [redmonk]
* redmonk listens to annie lennox
17:58:27 [AaronSw]
i wonder if i can make it only antialias lucida
18:02:21 [bitsko]
* bitsko thanks the goddess that it doesn't antialias Monaco 9
18:02:30 [AaronSw]
MPW, baby
18:02:57 [bitsko]
am I the only person left who thinks antialiasing is a bad thing?
18:03:06 [AaronSw]
no
18:03:31 [Ash-w]
I want a display with the resolution of printed paper
18:03:32 [Ash-w]
rawr
18:03:38 [Morbus]
* Morbus perks up.
18:03:43 [Morbus]
who said "rawr"? jill?
18:03:46 [Morbus]
oh. just Ash. sigh.
18:03:47 [Ash-w]
Me.
18:03:50 [Ash-w]
Heh, heh.
18:04:01 [bitsko]
ooh, it occurs to me: with MOSX/Quartz, it should be able to handle a 2x horizontal resolution and scale properly.
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18:04:22 [sbp]
* sbp reads logs
18:04:45 [AaronSw]
"" a log:Truth
18:05:02 [sbp]
lol @ "but if you had a beautiful body, i'd hold it against you"
18:05:03 [bitsko]
something I learned way back on one of my early jobs, doing video titling: horizontal "resolution" is a myth
18:05:19 [AaronSw]
oh?
18:05:44 [sbp]
heh, "blah blah blah ampheta blah blah blah"
18:06:04 [bitsko]
horizontal resolution is the measure of how quicly the beam can turn on and off, not where.
18:06:21 [sbp]
aha! <Morbus> that 13 year old girl never IMed me back.
18:06:30 [sbp]
it *so* is that 13 y/o that he's talking to
18:07:27 [sbp]
Jill says Rowr, I think
18:08:19 [sbp]
heh, that "" a log:Truth thing was funny
18:08:32 [AaronSw]
nothing is true.
18:08:50 [bitsko]
so if you, say, double the horizontal resolution, and just make sure you never have fewer than two consecutive pixels off or on in a sequence, you've effectively doubled your resolution.
18:11:15 [bitsko]
* bitsko is starting to really hate xemacs' non-emacs quirksen
18:11:37 [bitsko]
such as not keeping mark when one does a search
18:11:53 [bitsko]
AaronSw: stop that, it hurts!
18:11:57 [sbp]
[off] I can just use alternate comment strings
18:12:03 [AaronSw]
heh, sorry
18:12:23 [AaronSw]
[off] why would i decide that?
18:12:39 [sbp]
[off] but since you read all the logs...
18:13:02 [sbp]
[off] it won't be for the people in here, since they can see it all
18:13:17 [sbp]
[off] or change [off] to #
18:13:39 [sbp]
[off] well, it's still bad for grepping, isn't it?
18:13:49 [sbp]
[off] damn
18:14:05 [sbp]
well, that idea fell flat on its ass quite quickly
18:14:17 [sbp]
made a cool mess of the logs, though
18:15:27 [AaronSw]
logster will be gone soon enough, so we'll stnadardizn4e on [of]f
18:15:44 [sbp]
ah, good
18:15:54 [sbp]
hey, wait! no it isn't. people don't like [off]
18:16:10 [AaronSw]
talk to dajobe
18:16:26 [AaronSw]
i'm tired of maintaininff my own tree
18:16:58 [sbp]
Hmm... he's not on. I'll ping him next time he comes around
18:17:17 [sbp]
would it help if it were a command line option?
18:17:23 [sbp]
--commentchar=\#
18:17:57 [AaronSw]
yep
18:19:11 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: [Position Filled] Wanted: one off-log string for an IRC channel. Must be short, and easy to type
18:20:35 [Ash-w]
dude
18:20:39 [Ash-w]
[off] suxor
18:20:47 [Ash-w]
it's impossible to type
18:21:08 [sbp]
that's why I'll be badgering DaveB
18:24:00 [redmonk]
* redmonk listens to Andrea Bocelli
18:24:06 [redmonk]
mmmm, Italian
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18:25:50 [AaronSw]
hey Ash, i thought you were agains offlog altogether
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18:40:52 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders if Kid A is supposed to sound screwed up, or if jill just encoded it badly... or if his system is screwy
18:42:14 [redmonk]
Kid A always sounds screwed :)
18:43:55 [bitsko]
oohh, that's rich. Bill Kearney asks if it's kosher to use namespaces in simple rss, and Dave Winer links to it.
18:44:11 [bitsko]
* bitsko just rolls his eyes
18:44:51 [bitsko]
had we done *just that* two years ago, we wouldn't be *in* this friggin mess!
18:49:05 [Ash-w]
yeah right
18:49:36 [Ash-w]
dwiner is always going to say "o noe, U mu5+ u53 t3h u5@R|4nD SP3( F3W|Z!11
18:49:37 [Ash-w]
"
18:50:06 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders how much it costs to get AG filtering turned off
18:52:03 [Ash-w]
AG filtering?
18:52:14 [Ash-w]
I didn't know you could filter AccordionGuy
18:52:42 [AaronSw]
audiogalaxy
18:53:39 [Ash-w]
Who is filtering AG?
18:54:06 [AaronSw]
AG is.
18:55:23 [redmonk]
AccordianGuy is filerting AudioGalaxy?
18:55:31 [redmonk]
(filerting?!?)
18:56:04 [sbp]
he's flirting with it
18:56:23 [AaronSw]
bye bye
18:56:26 [redmonk]
bye
18:56:30 [redmonk]
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18:56:43 [sbp]
?
18:56:50 [sbp]
the wrong one left
18:57:15 [sbp]
unless that was a "power of suggestion" thing
18:57:40 [sbp]
like, oh when you go to the bank to get that $10,000 out of your account for me, pick me up a carton of milk would you?
18:58:03 [adam_]
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18:58:41 [thelsdj]
SWHACK!
18:59:11 [sbp]
which leads me to conclude that Ash + wmf = thelsdj
18:59:13 [sbp]
Gotta run
19:00:21 [thelsdj]
AaronSw: i don't think were gonna see AG filtering turned off anytime soon especially with them bein sued
19:16:04 [walloper]
<lilo> Note: We're in the process of changing cloaks to your-main-nick.cloakeduser.opn .... please adjust any hostmasks as needed. Thanks.
19:31:32 [walloper]
<lilo> Change done.
19:39:40 [Morbus]
AaronSw, you around?
19:40:17 [thelsdj]
deus_x: ooh thanks for the link to neil gaiman rssified
19:40:39 [deus_x]
Heh, you're welcome :)
19:41:05 [deus_x]
Not sure how well it will work, since Radio's been crashy on me lately, but it updates at least a few times a day
19:42:01 [Morbus]
you spoke the name!
19:43:36 [deus_x]
I should set my IRC client to make lots of noise if someone somewhere on IRC speaks my handle thrice times.
19:45:05 [thelsdj]
haha
19:45:22 [deus_x]
Kinda like a neo-kibo
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<lilo> Services restart in process.
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* bitsko -> home
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<lilo> Services restart complete
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20:54:16 [Morbus]
heh! http://mpt.phrasewise.com/discuss/msgReader$257
20:55:53 [deus_x]
Heh, funny.
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swhack!
21:10:07 [Ash-w]
wheeeeeeeee
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21:28:50 [sbp]
.google TODL
21:28:55 [xena]
TODL: http://www.todl.com/
21:29:13 [sbp]
erm... O.K.
21:33:34 [sbp]
ooh, urllib supports data + encoding
21:33:34 [sbp]
>>> urllib.urlopen('data:text/html;base64,PGh0bWwvPg==').read()
21:33:35 [sbp]
'<html/>'
21:33:35 [sbp]
>>>
21:44:22 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: data:text/plain;utf-8,%E2%80%BD
21:48:51 [sbp]
that Mozilla story was funny
21:49:13 [sbp]
if it took me ten years to invent a time machine, I'd go back ten years and give myself the blueprint
21:49:45 [sbp]
JA brings up this point about i18n in NTriples again...
21:49:48 [sbp]
gotta check that out
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22:42:10 [sbp]
hey uf
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22:49:24 [Morbus]
AaronSw, you around?
22:54:00 [sbp]
why not just ask your question, and then he can answer in the logs
22:55:21 [Morbus]
cos, i want his immediate response, cos i'm a needy bitch
22:55:44 [sbp]
well he's not here, so it's tough shit on a stick, I'm afraid
22:56:21 [Morbus]
well, blow me down and call me zsa zsa
22:59:47 [Morbus]
AaronSw, you've got 10.2, is the mail.app any better?
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23:23:04 [uberfunk]
oh zsa zsa you're so effing hot!
23:23:31 [Morbus]
whoo!
23:23:51 [uberfunk]
shake it
23:25:30 [Morbus]
* Morbus jiggles.
23:28:22 [Morbus]
man, nif is slow tonight
23:42:21 [bitsko]
any apache conf gurus in the house?
23:42:48 [sbp]
* sbp somewhat points at Mr. Apache
23:43:00 [Morbus]
* Morbus looks sheepish.
23:43:22 [sbp]
this... hic. this is the guy
23:43:31 [sbp]
s/this /thish /
23:44:28 [bitsko]
I'm trying to set up a dev and production environment. the dev environment(s) will go in people's home dirs under public_html/PROJ, then the production server will go under /PROJ
23:44:58 [Morbus]
* Morbus nods.
23:45:27 [bitsko]
I want to set up ~/public_html/PROJ/.htaccess to point to ./html as the "root" web file directory and ./servlets as a CGI script
23:45:28 [Morbus]
and you want one config file?
23:45:35 [Morbus]
and you want to switch from prod/dev at any time?
23:45:41 [Morbus]
or have both run at the same time?
23:46:02 [bitsko]
not for both, necessarily. I'm thinking the dev env can go in .htaccess, and the production env in /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
23:46:09 [Morbus]
* Morbus nods some more.
23:46:40 [Morbus]
it has to be .htaccess?
23:46:45 [bitsko]
nope
23:46:57 [Morbus]
k.
23:46:57 [Morbus]
hold.
23:47:40 [bitsko]
but in some way, $BASE/ is the "main page", and $BASE/servlets/SERVLET is the servlets dir
23:48:27 [bitsko]
doesn't have to be /servlets either, really, but I figured an alias would be easier that way
23:50:30 [Morbus]
this should be a start. untested.
23:50:30 [Morbus]
[[[
23:50:36 [Morbus]
UserDir ~/public_html/PROJ/html
23:50:36 [Morbus]
<Directory /path/to/user/*/public_html/PROJ/html>
23:50:36 [Morbus]
AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit
23:50:36 [Morbus]
Options MultiViews Indexes SymLinksIfOwnerMatch IncludesNoExec
23:50:36 [Morbus]
</Directory>
23:50:37 [Morbus]
<Directory /path/to/user/*/public_html/PROJ/servlets>
23:50:39 [Morbus]
# tomcat crap here.
23:50:42 [Morbus]
</Directory>
23:50:43 [Morbus]
]]]
23:51:01 [Morbus]
i'm pretty sure that needs a tweak or too.
23:51:07 [Morbus]
I'm not sure i got the userdir rgith.
23:51:12 [Morbus]
but i'm leeching a zillion things so i cna't check the online docs.
23:51:21 [bitsko]
heh
23:52:25 [Morbus]
the UserDir basically sets it so any ~username request is auto-served from that html directory.
23:52:36 [Morbus]
and the Directory's catch all usernames.
23:53:11 [Morbus]
if servelets need to be CGI capable, you could
23:53:31 [Morbus]
hmm. nevermind.
23:54:13 [bitsko]
in this case, Python's WebWare, "/servlets" is the CGI script, and any subpath is the servlet name. at some point, we'll map that to a mod_python path
23:56:25 [Morbus]
yeah, the */servlets above should catch that.
23:56:30 [Morbus]
well... hmm.
23:56:36 [Morbus]
i'm not sure how that one would work.
23:56:47 [Morbus]
i'm kinda disjointed now, so i'm not thinking clearly.
23:56:53 [Morbus]
you may want to look into ScriptAlias.