IRC log of swhack on 2002-06-05

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:01:11 [sbp`]
what're you doing tomorrow, sbp?
00:01:46 [sbp`]
[off] this log--when properly read out-of-context--is going to make us all look like loonies
00:01:53 [sbp]
it's 4 now. it's already tomorrow.
00:02:02 [sbp`]
it's *so* 2
00:02:14 [sbp]
maybe for you.
00:02:19 [sbp`]
and it's never tomorrow
00:02:24 [sbp`]
well, I am me
00:02:45 [sbp]
and I am a figment of your berry-picking imagination
00:02:57 [AaronSw]
wmf!
00:03:00 [sbp`]
stupid berry picker! that brings back memories.
00:03:12 [AaronSw]
wmf, want to see some aaronswtv?
00:03:16 [wmf]
there you are
00:03:18 [wmf]
sure
00:03:21 [sbp`]
and the thunderbugs and Castle Igor.
00:03:42 [sbp`]
the evesque plains!
00:04:19 [sbp]
the jam!
00:04:30 [AaronSw]
did you buy a camcorder?
00:04:38 [wmf]
no
00:04:39 [sbp]
Bersie! I miss her so
00:04:57 [sbp`]
Bersie?
00:05:00 [wmf]
I'm not sure whether I should get a camcorder or a KritterDigital
00:05:07 [sbp]
http://infomesh.net/2001/12/bersie/
00:05:12 [AaronSw]
Have you downloaded QT6 yet?
00:05:15 [sbp`]
Yeah. I don't think we've ever met her, though.
00:05:18 [wmf]
* wmf is in "Optimizing System Performance" purgatory
00:05:31 [sbp]
We've never met Morbus either
00:05:52 [sbp]
Nor tasted Fefferberries
00:05:54 [sbp`]
true
00:05:58 [AaronSw]
heh: [BX] The Spice Girls use BitchX (instead of underwear
00:05:58 [AaronSw]
and talent)
00:06:07 [sbp`]
ah, well it depends on what you think of Fefferberries
00:06:22 [sbp`]
I mean, it might be a cognate of some English word
00:06:33 [sbp`]
heh
00:06:43 [sbp]
like "cutlass"
00:06:52 [AaronSw]
hm, wmf's ip crashes qtbroadcaster
00:06:56 [sbp`]
well, that has a French root, anyway.
00:07:04 [sbp]
Indo-European
00:07:19 [sbp`]
well, everything over here's from PIE originally
00:07:27 [sbp`]
it goes without saying :-)
00:07:29 [sbp]
well, not quite everything
00:07:35 [sbp`]
what not then?
00:07:47 [sbp]
"gung ho"
00:07:57 [sbp]
"squash"
00:08:01 [sbp`]
but that's a steal from an asian language, surely?
00:08:12 [sbp]
Yes, surely
00:08:24 [sbp`]
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore." - James D. Nicoll
00:08:38 [sbp]
heh
00:08:39 [sbp`]
and don't call me Shirley
00:09:16 [wmf]
AaronSw: I'm behind a NAT BTW
00:09:20 [sbp]
that joke just sucks-ass
00:09:27 [sbp`]
nuh uh!
00:09:31 [AaronSw]
wmf, in a DMZ?
00:09:54 [AaronSw]
why ar eyou behind a nat anyway?
00:10:00 [wmf]
what? give me a complete sentence or something
00:10:13 [wmf]
um, because I have 3 computers
00:10:24 [AaronSw]
what are the other two?
00:10:27 [AaronSw]
thinkpad?
00:10:40 [AaronSw]
can you configure your NAT to put your machine in the DMZ, i.e. so that it can be a server
00:10:41 [wmf]
Linux machine (used only as the NAT) and ZapStation
00:10:50 [AaronSw]
aha, the zapstation
00:10:55 [wmf]
there is only one IP address available on the outside
00:11:01 [AaronSw]
i understand that
00:11:04 [AaronSw]
i am in the same position
00:11:08 [AaronSw]
but you can set up a DMZ
00:11:24 [AaronSw]
so that new ports will be forwarded to your machine
00:11:26 [sbp]
sbp has quit ("Homer: Twenty dollars? I wanted a peanut!")
00:11:33 [AaronSw]
heh!
00:11:34 [wmf]
I don't know how to do that
00:11:49 [sbp`]
heh, that was spiffing
00:11:51 [AaronSw]
hm. can you punch open ports 5432 and 5434 then?
00:11:57 [wmf]
I don't know how to do that
00:12:07 [AaronSw]
well you're just useless aren't you
00:12:16 [wmf]
why don't you set up a DSS?
00:12:24 [AaronSw]
I tried.
00:12:38 [AaronSw]
There's a bug in QTB so it doens't work with a DSS or QTSS.
00:12:41 [AaronSw]
i tried both
00:12:53 [AaronSw]
hm, maybe if i manually upload the sdp
00:12:53 [wmf]
uhhh, what's the point of it then?
00:13:15 [AaronSw]
well you can do one-to-one
00:13:21 [AaronSw]
i got it working with sbp
00:13:34 [wmf]
so that's why it's called Broadcaster? :-)
00:13:36 [AaronSw]
and blanu tried pretty hard
00:14:06 [sbp`]
sbp` is now known as sbp
00:17:36 [Morbus]
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00:17:37 [wmf]
let's see if I get modded down for this: http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=33650&cid=3642407
00:18:34 [Morbus]
* Morbus taps his foot.
00:18:42 [sbp]
*ahem*
00:19:46 [Morbus]
using 10.1.5 now.
00:21:11 [AaronSw]
heh
00:21:20 [AaronSw]
Morbus, wanna upload?
00:21:51 [Morbus]
heh. oh, what should I upload! <G>
00:22:01 [sbp]
<G>
00:22:10 [wmf]
wmf has quit ("reboot for quicktime")
00:22:48 [AaronSw]
Morbus, fonts!
00:22:53 [AaronSw]
fonts!
00:22:55 [Morbus]
heh. fucking fonts.
00:22:55 [AaronSw]
fonts!
00:23:03 [Morbus]
lemme zip up an A and let you grab it.
00:23:50 [Morbus]
mmkay.
00:23:52 [Morbus]
hit my port 80.
00:24:00 [Morbus]
there's a two meg #/A forlder there called archive.sit
00:24:00 [sbp]
blam, blam, blam!
00:24:19 [Morbus]
* Morbus tries compiling AmphetaDesk under Classic Mac.
00:24:44 [AaronSw]
Morbus, where? all i see is the test page
00:24:55 [Morbus]
uh, oops.
00:25:02 [Morbus]
try ~morbys
00:25:24 [Morbus]
er, you know.
00:25:48 [AaronSw]
got it
00:25:55 [AaronSw]
well, getting it
00:26:28 [Morbus]
k.
00:26:28 [Morbus]
if that goes fine, i'll b+c ya.
00:26:37 [Morbus]
etc.
00:26:46 [Morbus]
man, it'd be nice if this worked out.
00:26:46 [Morbus]
i'm getting really sick and tired of it.
00:27:54 [wmf]
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00:28:03 [AaronSw]
heh, what a vague tutorial: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/tutorials/delivery.html
00:28:15 [Morbus]
wmf!
00:29:21 [Morbus]
wmf: i hate you. you do not appease my need for acknowledgement.
00:29:25 [sbp]
Swhack the elder
00:29:38 [wmf]
settle down, Morbus
00:29:54 [wmf]
I am doing a zillion things at once
00:30:02 [Morbus]
yay! you love me!
00:30:03 [Morbus]
* Morbus moves closer to the Legs of Wmf (tm).
00:30:16 [sbp]
as it says in the FAQ...
00:30:30 [sbp]
heh, all of this was prophecized!
00:31:06 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
00:31:15 [sbp]
wmf: consult page 365
00:31:28 [sbp]
"Calming Your Morbus Iff (TM) in case of Overstimulation"
00:31:37 [Morbus]
366 on leap years.
00:32:34 [sbp]
I'd guess that there'd be 300 more pages in your manual
00:33:09 [Morbus]
i should work on that.
00:34:30 [Morbus]
uh.
00:34:30 [Morbus]
ping?
00:34:36 [sbp]
heh, heh. Page 1, act 1. Congratulations on purchasing your Morbus Iff (TM) from Iffenterprises. Resist the urge to play with your Morbus Iff immediately, and take some tim to read through this manual. A Morbus is not like a regular human: if used improperly, the consequences can be quite severe
00:34:45 [sbp]
I was typing, damnit
00:34:59 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
00:35:17 [Morbus]
well, remmeber, aaron's trying to fuck up my cinnection.
00:35:17 [Morbus]
i get pararnoid ;)
00:35:25 [sbp]
heh, indeed
00:35:54 [AaronSw]
ETA 155
00:37:42 [Morbus]
dammit.
00:37:43 [Morbus]
the classic mac one gets built but doesn't seem to run
00:43:06 [Morbus]
AaronSw, you done?
00:43:24 [AaronSw]
yep
00:43:31 [Morbus]
let's try another.
00:43:58 [Morbus]
extracted ok?
00:44:14 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries
00:44:38 [Morbus]
mmkay. same name archive, b/c.
00:44:43 [AaronSw]
seems to work
00:44:46 [Morbus]
k.
00:44:55 [AaronSw]
should i download now?
00:44:59 [Morbus]
yup
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00:48:31 [MorbusIff]
heh, heh.
00:48:33 [MorbusIff]
guess what.
00:48:35 [MorbusIff]
;)
00:51:48 [AaronSw]
um, you crashed?
00:51:55 [AaronSw]
ETA 41:56
00:52:03 [MorbusIff]
yeah, i crashed.
00:52:08 [MorbusIff]
dunno who you're downloading from now ;)
00:52:42 [AaronSw]
nothing
01:10:29 [Morbus]
Morbus has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
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01:56:56 [AaronSw]
heh heh "These are not the version numbers you are looking for. Move along. Move along. "
02:00:16 [AaronSw]
i'm afraid to look at jwz html
02:10:01 [AaronSw]
" I don't understand it, apparently there's some kind of prestige thing with making the customers bleed from the ears. I'm sure they all believe that the customers want it even louder."
02:25:14 [wmf]
AaronSw: nope
02:25:35 [wmf]
you're only using 0.4% of my CPU though
02:25:49 [wmf]
the web interface seems to be broken
02:26:18 [wmf]
ok, I have logs
02:27:02 [wmf]
are you 12. ?
02:27:12 [AaronSw]
yeah
02:27:19 [AaronSw]
but i'm no longer connected
02:27:43 [wmf]
it's just me and you
02:29:28 [wmf]
you're totally breaking up
02:29:38 [wmf]
I just heard "so wes, what kind of..."
02:29:48 [wmf]
who's saying hi to me?
02:29:57 [wmf]
hey Ben
02:30:00 [AaronSw]
BenSw
02:30:06 [wmf]
is MomSw yelling in the background?
02:30:15 [AaronSw]
y
02:30:19 [wmf]
hey MomSw
02:30:44 [wmf]
* wmf is setting up broadcaster, will try audio-only
02:30:52 [AaronSw]
ah, cool
02:31:39 [wmf]
hey!
02:31:45 [wmf]
stop that!
02:31:51 [AaronSw]
that was NoahSw
02:31:56 [AaronSw]
NoahSw: oh, um, yes
02:32:09 [AaronSw]
action! drama! violence!
02:32:13 [AaronSw]
all on AaronSwTV
02:32:32 [wmf]
there's too much violence on TV these days...
02:33:24 [wmf]
installing
02:33:37 [wmf]
I have so many windows open I can barely see AaronSwTV
02:33:58 [walloper]
<lilo> From dwaters, who registered #speakup: "The speakup project is basically a bunch of blind people who like messing around with Linux and writing cool and, hopefully useful, software. It began with the Speakup screen reader package and has grown to encompass a number of projects as well as becoming a vibrant community." Please welcome #speakup to OPN. :)
02:34:37 [wmf]
re: singing, don't quit your day job
02:34:43 [walloper]
<lilo> (Btw, that's 'dmwaters' :)
02:34:57 [AaronSw]
that was bensw
02:36:12 [wmf]
AaronSw: how do I configure broadcaster?
02:36:33 [wmf]
ok
02:36:38 [wmf]
ok
02:36:47 [wmf]
ok
02:38:01 [wmf]
I'm broadcasting, but where's my sdp file?
02:38:09 [AaronSw]
type command-shift-e
02:39:32 [wmf]
rtsp://felter.org/wmf.sdp
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02:40:06 [wmf]
AaronSw: I have you muted, btw
02:40:15 [AaronSw]
hm?
02:40:21 [AaronSw]
i can hear myself
02:40:31 [wmf]
hmmm
02:40:57 [AaronSw]
say sumptin
02:41:06 [wmf]
just a sec
02:41:16 [wmf]
reload
02:42:07 [AaronSw]
still hear me
02:42:37 [wmf]
reload
02:42:50 [AaronSw]
why?
02:43:02 [AaronSw]
i still get the feed
02:43:08 [wmf]
because I'm changing the sdp file
02:43:16 [AaronSw]
ah
02:43:17 [AaronSw]
i still hear myself
02:43:54 [AaronSw]
still
02:44:19 [wmf]
ok, stop your stream
02:44:25 [AaronSw]
why?
02:44:33 [wmf]
just do it!
02:44:42 [wmf]
I mean stop watching my stream, that is
02:44:46 [AaronSw]
oh
02:46:11 [wmf]
ok, start listening to my stream
02:46:41 [AaronSw]
i hear myself
02:46:58 [wmf]
I hear you, too
02:46:59 [AaronSw]
silence...
02:47:00 [wmf]
hmmmmmmmmmm
02:47:37 [wmf]
we're on different ports
02:47:45 [wmf]
I'm going to restart DSS
02:47:52 [AaronSw]
k
02:48:34 [wmf]
yeah!
02:48:39 [wmf]
listen to my stream
02:48:47 [AaronSw]
ok
02:48:52 [AaronSw]
say something
02:48:55 [AaronSw]
oops
02:48:57 [AaronSw]
what port?
02:49:11 [AaronSw]
ok, try now
02:49:17 [wmf]
rtsp://felter.org/wmf.sdp
02:49:27 [AaronSw]
say something
02:49:44 [AaronSw]
wes says he'll turn on the radio, echo ensues
02:50:50 [AaronSw]
i hear some music
02:50:56 [wmf]
I have a good conferencing headset, but I left it at work
02:51:47 [AaronSw]
are you singing?
02:51:49 [wmf]
this only takes 57% of my CPU
02:51:50 [wmf]
yes
02:51:57 [AaronSw]
hm, i'm pegged at 100
02:55:59 [AaronSw]
say something, wes
02:56:02 [AaronSw]
are you still out there
02:56:06 [wmf]
yeah
02:56:10 [wmf]
I'm playing music
02:57:05 [AaronSw]
i get a bad state error when i try to connect
02:57:14 [wmf]
somebody on 63.x.x.x is watching
02:58:46 [AaronSw]
.dns 63.228.6.251
02:58:47 [xena]
63.228.6.251 - mplsdslgw8C251.mpls.uswest.net
02:59:06 [AaronSw]
look?
03:00:09 [AaronSw]
i'm still not getting your broadcast
03:00:25 [wmf]
sorry man
03:01:29 [wmf]
now I'm not getting mine either
03:01:31 [wmf]
hmm
03:02:08 [AaronSw]
i can't even get mine
03:02:27 [wmf]
I think they may be conflicting
03:02:46 [AaronSw]
i sorta doubt that
03:02:55 [AaronSw]
it's designed for heavy load
03:03:15 [wmf]
heavy load == # of clients, not # of streams
03:06:26 [AaronSw]
" There is no limit on the number of unique live broadcasts that a single server can reflect, nor on the number of clients that can be connected to a single Reflection, apart from the overhead offile descriptor limitations, CPU, memory & bandwidth constraints."
03:06:36 [wmf]
hmm
03:06:42 [wmf]
ah, we get signal
03:07:14 [wmf]
I switched to AAC and my CPU is saturated
03:07:29 [AaronSw]
is that a different codec?
03:07:29 [wmf]
or maybe that's because I'm installing 10.1.5 :-)
03:07:33 [wmf]
yeah
03:08:01 [wmf]
PureVoice was only 11 kbps, which seems like a waste
03:08:03 [AaronSw]
i'm having trouble connecting
03:08:10 [wmf]
so I went up to 64 kbps AAC
03:08:37 [wmf]
maybe I should set up automatic unicast or whatever
03:08:38 [AaronSw]
Bad State
03:08:51 [AaronSw]
automatic is what hit the bug in qtb
03:09:04 [wmf]
unfortunately I'm not running the right version of DSS, so that may be causing some problems
03:09:13 [AaronSw]
what's the right version?
03:09:18 [AaronSw]
now i get connection failure
03:09:19 [wmf]
the snapshot
03:09:24 [AaronSw]
oh
03:11:31 [wmf]
heh, the echo creates a "galloping" effect when I type
03:11:44 [wmf]
discard this message, discard this message, discard this message...
03:12:01 [AaronSw]
i still can't connect. can you connect?
03:12:05 [wmf]
yeah
03:12:40 [wmf]
weirdly, the signal drops wheneve I adjust the volume
03:15:36 [AaronSw]
i get the same bad state error on two machines
03:15:53 [wmf]
I can restart the server again
03:17:15 [AaronSw]
you can try that
03:17:18 [AaronSw]
i think 24.86.215.130 is watching
03:17:19 [AaronSw]
.dns 24.86.215.130
03:17:20 [xena]
24.86.215.130 - h24-86-215-130.ed.shawcable.net
03:17:25 [wmf]
ok
03:17:43 [wmf]
I don't see that IP
03:18:05 [AaronSw]
ok, myabe not then
03:18:44 [AaronSw]
let me know when it's rebooted
03:18:52 [wmf]
it's rebooted
03:19:10 [AaronSw]
hm, what's the url?
03:19:16 [wmf]
you were right, 24.x is watching
03:19:19 [wmf]
it's on HTP
03:19:57 [AaronSw]
i think 24 might be bill seitz
03:20:10 [AaronSw]
yeah, that url is so not working
03:20:23 [wmf]
we should be using openRTSP to debug this
03:20:24 [AaronSw]
was working earlier tho
03:21:38 [wmf]
it works for about 20 sec for me and then stops
03:22:31 [AaronSw]
let me see if it works if i stop broadcastin
03:24:17 [wmf]
I need to borrow a dual G4 and a camcorder and try this out at work tomorrow
03:24:34 [AaronSw]
heh, that'd rock
03:27:20 [wmf]
a fire truck is here
03:27:43 [AaronSw]
doing what?
03:28:06 [wmf]
I don't know
03:28:12 [wmf]
they're going in another building
03:28:17 [wmf]
<phew/>
03:28:18 [AaronSw]
it's having trouble hearing htp radio, i bet
03:28:56 [wmf]
police and EMS, too
03:29:06 [AaronSw]
ugh, sounds bad
03:29:17 [wmf]
no, sounds like 911
03:29:30 [wmf]
the default is to send everything except the Marines IIRC
03:29:39 [AaronSw]
lol
03:31:08 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj finally makes the connection between wmf and hack the planet
03:32:32 [wmf]
ok, good night folks
03:32:42 [AaronSw]
nite
03:32:51 [AaronSw]
hack the broadcast
03:33:03 [AaronSw]
extreme codecs
03:33:21 [wmf]
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03:33:36 [AaronSw]
i wish i got 10.1.5
03:41:09 [AaronSw]
ooh, dnm links to us
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03:53:02 [AaronSw]
jwz: " So I wrote my own. It does almost nothing, but it's the superset of nothing that I cared about."
03:55:29 [AaronSw]
awesome: http://www.headlinehaikus.com/
04:05:00 [AaronSw]
jwz: 'I had about five minutes of stress about this the other day before I realized, ``wait, this is so not my problem, and hasn't been for years.'''
04:50:07 [AaronSw]
lol: http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/starwars.html
04:53:56 [AaronSw]
lol! 'Where did these pinheads find their user interface designers? Did some masochistic CEO go home one day, try to program his VCR, and say, ``hey, this really sucks! I've got to hire this guy and see if he can fuck up my telephones this bad!'' '
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06:25:24 [AaronSw]
Ash, YOU ARE ON THE WRONG IRC SERVER.
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: your life is over
06:30:42 [AaronSw]
http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/2002/05/27/humming-clampdown.html
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06:35:45 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We just experienced a split in a main rotation server and reconnection difficulties which we're currently analyzing. Apologies for the inconvenience.
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: EART (exterminate all rational thought)
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06:42:11 [Ash]
AaronSw: The wrong IRC server?
06:42:18 [AaronSw]
Yes.
06:42:21 [Ash]
Actually I think it's *you* that's on the wrong server.
06:42:27 [Ash]
You're the one that split, not mel.
06:42:29 [AaronSw]
No. carter is the right IRC server.
06:42:29 [Ash]
-l
06:42:37 [Ash]
BEAR OWNZ J00
06:42:43 [AaronSw]
DO NOT ARGUE. CARTER IS THE RIGHT IRC SERVER.
06:42:47 [Ash]
I AM THE PUSHER ROBOT
06:42:55 [AaronSw]
TYPE /server carter.openprojects.net TO END NETSPLITS FOREVER
06:43:02 [Ash]
no irc server on this network is any good
06:43:02 [Ash]
hehe
06:43:25 [AaronSw]
it's the only irc server that hasn't been taken out of the rotation since i started here
06:43:33 [Ash]
Ahh.
06:43:35 [Ash]
Beats me.
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06:43:40 [Ash]
I connect to irc.openprojects.net
06:43:44 [Ash]
which seems to work most of the time.
06:43:51 [AaronSw]
except when it does not
06:43:56 [Ash]
Indeed.
06:44:01 [Ash]
What are you up to this evening?
06:44:11 [Ash]
* Ash changes his auto-join to point at carter
06:44:12 [AaronSw]
I am exterminating all rational thought, actually. You?
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06:44:32 [Ash]
Yeah, me too.
06:44:41 [Ash]
Finalizing some design decisions on a project I'm working on.
06:44:59 [Ash]
I found some cool tractor-feed paper and I'm using it to write down my design stuff.
06:45:04 [Ash]
so it's one long sheet
06:45:06 [Ash]
wheeeee
06:45:07 [AaronSw]
tractor feed paper? awesome!
06:45:13 [Ash]
Yeah!
06:45:15 [AaronSw]
tractor feed paper rocks
06:45:23 [AaronSw]
man, i haven't used that since the imagewriter II
06:45:24 [Ash]
Somehow I have like a gigantic box of it
06:45:36 [gordo]
please send me paper....
06:45:38 [Ash]
i have no clue how this ended up in my closet
06:46:18 [Ash]
if I pulled the paper out of the box it would be about 10" tall
06:46:22 [Ash]
(the stack)
06:46:28 [Ash]
man
06:46:30 [gordo]
your paper is out the closet - at last!
06:46:30 [Ash]
i love this stuff
06:46:44 [AaronSw]
tractor feed paper seems like a great house accessory
06:46:54 [Ash]
yeah.
06:46:56 [Ash]
so it would seem.
06:47:08 [Ash]
I just like being able to have a whole crapload of notes on one long sheet of paper.
06:56:33 [Ash]
* Ash goes to find food
06:56:34 [Ash]
bbl
06:58:36 [Ash]
well that was quick
06:58:37 [Ash]
wheee
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07:07:14 [fordo]
Is shawn plamer around?
07:07:38 [fordo]
Is Sean Plamer around?
07:09:24 [AaronSw]
i think you're a little late/early
07:09:32 [Ash]
i'm sean palmer
07:09:36 [Ash]
what's up fordo
07:09:38 [AaronSw]
try again in 12hrs
07:09:51 [walloper]
<lilo> Analysis: daemontools probably needed on that box. Fortunately, we have the ability to install.
07:10:05 [AaronSw]
That sounds ominous.
07:10:05 [Ash]
lol @ daemontools
07:10:06 [Ash]
lovely
07:10:20 [Ash]
LETS ALL UES TEH DJBWAER@!111
07:10:33 [AaronSw]
hey man, djbware rulez
07:11:13 [AaronSw]
the 12inch ibook / a screen so small / and yet so many pixels
07:11:30 [Ash]
djbware SUX0RZ
07:12:10 [AaronSw]
like, dude! djb is THE MAN!
07:12:23 [Ash]
LOL
07:12:27 [Ash]
riiiiiight
07:12:34 [Ash]
AaronSw, DJB Fanboy
07:12:38 [Ash]
hehe
07:12:46 [Ash]
I think there's a secret love between djb and theo
07:13:02 [AaronSw]
this sounds deeply disturbing
07:13:49 [Ash]
Yes, I know.
07:13:52 [Ash]
That's why it's funny.
07:13:52 [Ash]
hehe
07:15:47 [AaronSw]
what a scary user-agent: "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 5.0; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)"
07:15:55 [Ash]
heh
07:15:57 [Ash]
.NET CLR
07:16:00 [Ash]
alright, i'm outta
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here
07:16:03 [Ash]
sleepytime baby
07:16:49 [AaronSw]
it's like screaming for help. I don't know who i am!
07:16:49 [AaronSw]
mozilla, no wait, netscape, no msie, no winnt, no, i'm really AN EVIL PLOT OF THE .NET CLR!
07:17:46 [AaronSw]
i guess i should sleep too
07:17:50 [AaronSw]
maybe i will do work tomorrow.
07:18:26 [AaronSw]
hm. i really should do work tomorrow. to increase the chances of that, I will quit out of IRC now.
07:18:28 [AaronSw]
nite
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wibble
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* sbp waves
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argh, missed Phil
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heh, heh:-
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<Ash> i'm sean palmer
13:57:41 [sbp]
<Ash> what's up fordo
13:57:55 [Ash-w]
ehehe
13:58:01 [Ash-w]
I was on a roll, what can I say.
13:58:33 [sbp]
AHSROL!
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trust ASh to find some kind of form whilst I'm not here
14:01:10 [Ash-w]
heh heh
14:03:22 [sbp]
heh: """Senator Fritz Lolling made the following statement: "Anyone who hums and does not pay is a no-good-thieving, commie, kiddie-porn-loving, drunk-driving, smoke-in-no-smoking section, rat bastard.""""
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14:10:45 [redmonk]
hello
14:16:41 [sbp]
hey there rmyboy
14:16:49 [sbp]
woooooooooo! 1-1 Germany-Ireland
14:17:08 [sbp]
that is so cool
14:17:26 [sbp]
well, a win would have been even nicer, but still, that's good enough
14:17:30 [sbp]
Dental plan!
14:17:34 [sbp]
Lisa needs braces
14:17:35 [sbp]
Dental plan!
14:17:37 [sbp]
Lisa needs braces
14:17:38 [sbp]
Dental plan!
14:17:39 [sbp]
Lisa needs braces
14:20:57 [sbp]
heh, now I've installed Arial Unicode MS, all of the spam with mega-weird characters in it displays properly
14:21:10 [sbp]
Which was nice
14:22:47 [sbp]
heh: <[...]> manager mick mccarthy: 'we roughed em up a bit'
14:24:39 [redmonk]
is aaronsw around?
14:25:38 [sbp]
not as far as I know
14:25:52 [sbp]
he's probably watching us and laughing
14:26:52 [redmonk]
heh
14:27:04 [redmonk]
yo! anyone here use fink on os x?
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14:29:22 [sbp]
lelllly!
14:33:04 [bitsko]
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14:52:00 [bitsko]
did we get anywhere useful yesterday on the topic of a REST toolkit?
14:53:41 [bitsko]
heh, and a whole thread on cookies==bad on rest-discuss
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14:58:33 [AaronSw]
hey redmonk
14:58:59 [AaronSw]
what is there to discuss about cookies==bad?
14:59:30 [bitsko]
nothing, as long as one agrees that cookies aren't RESTful ;)
14:59:59 [sbp]
why would one be silly enough to disagree?
15:00:01 [redmonk]
but then, !restful == bad
15:00:10 [redmonk]
riiiiight?
15:00:14 [AaronSw]
right
15:00:17 [sbp]
yeah. it's a simple bit of logic :-)
15:00:17 [bitsko]
heh
15:00:26 [sbp]
cookies == !restful
15:00:31 [sbp]
!restful == bad
15:00:39 [sbp]
.'. cookies == bad
15:00:42 [AaronSw]
I mean it says in THE REST PAPER that cookies are devil spawn. There's no argument here.
15:00:48 [sbp]
heh, heh
15:00:56 [AaronSw]
whoa, nice therefore sign.
15:01:01 [redmonk]
indeed
15:01:23 [sbp]
* sbp is quite pleased with that himself
15:01:28 [AaronSw]
Altho RoyF's proposed cookie replacement seems a bit weird (a MIME TYPE for SHOPPING CARTS?)
15:01:30 [bitsko]
nah, not that everything !restful==bad, but just another stake in the supposed goodness of cookies ;)
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15:02:57 [redmonk]
well, no cookies right now just means lots of nasty-ass urls
15:03:41 [redmonk]
which are, however, perfectly restful :)
15:04:12 [bitsko]
if you're trying to encode state, sure. encoding that state in URLs is no better/worse than cookies
15:05:13 [redmonk]
what about using cookies for simple id stuff (so you don't have to login?) and keeping the rest (heh. get it?) of the state on the server?
15:05:28 [bitsko]
encoding that kind of state in URLs is like encoding RPC calls in URLs, and breaks the RESTfulness too
15:06:23 [bitsko]
sessions != REST
15:06:39 [bitsko]
authentication is seperate from sessions
15:07:30 [redmonk]
i've heard a lot about what *isn't* restful, and not much about what 8is*
15:07:42 [sbp]
HTTP! URIs! good things
15:08:03 [bitsko]
SQL databases (minus stored procedures) and Linda systems are RESTful
15:08:11 [sbp]
well, HTTP is still open for abuse
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15:09:21 [redmonk]
linda?
15:09:52 [bitsko]
most databases are restful, "SQL" is not really relevant
15:10:18 [sbp]
<A> c++ is so screwed up
15:10:19 [sbp]
* B mumbles something about python....
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and B was not me, FYI
15:10:41 [bitsko]
hmm, I thought the wiki had more info on REST
15:10:47 [sbp]
oh, actually, it's a logged channel
15:10:47 [sbp]
<fraggle> c++ is so screwed up
15:10:47 [sbp]
* DrMiaow mumbles something about python....
15:12:05 [bitsko]
http://internet.conveyor.com/RESTwiki/moin.cgi/LindaAndTheWeb
15:14:48 [bitsko]
c2 wiki has a good page on Linda: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TupleSpace
15:15:34 [AaronSw]
woo, web archive is archiving the wiki now
15:15:48 [bitsko]
TupleSpaces, specifically. Linda is the language, TupleSpaces are the RESTful component. JavaSpaces, XMLSpaces, and IBM's TSpaces are all derived from Linda's TupleSpaces
15:18:14 [AaronSw]
Yeah, TupleSpaces and the BlackboardMetaphor are cool solutions to the DeadlockProblem
15:18:39 [AaronSw]
EeeLanguage's PromiseArchitecture provides a different interesting solution, tho.
15:19:06 [AaronSw]
anyone know what language gelenter means "more learned" in?
15:19:26 [AaronSw]
Gelernter
15:21:18 [AaronSw]
heh: Although I think
15:21:20 [AaronSw]
errr
15:21:25 [AaronSw]
http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Resource+Description+Framework
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15:45:05 [bitsko]
ruh-roh, people dropping off like flies
15:45:40 [bitsko]
redmonk: does that help any?
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15:51:37 [bitsko]
[off] doh! he just left!
15:53:23 [AaronSw]
stallman!
15:53:35 [AaronSw]
http://www8.thdo.bbc.co.uk:8001/rms.ogg
15:56:05 [AaronSw]
Stallman: "I am an amateur musician. i am not all that good at it, but I can respect those who are."
15:56:14 [AaronSw]
"I don't want my music to be manufactured out of hype."
15:59:17 [AaronSw]
"perhaps we should change the term of copyright to ten years, which is far longer than the three years that the avg. book stays in print"
16:02:49 [bitsko]
O'Reilly's CMS is screwed up today
16:03:58 [quasi]
onlamp.com is b0rken
16:04:10 [bitsko]
that's one of them ;)
16:10:20 [AaronSw]
"3000 people have contributed to the GNU C library alone... are corporations"
16:10:45 [bitsko]
* bitsko sometimes wants to tell people, "knock it off, what do you *want*?" in response to their negativity.
16:11:04 [AaronSw]
Hm, he says that because free software is working we don't need copyright for useful things.
16:11:14 [bitsko]
often I find that what they want is there, it's just that they don't want to hear about it.
16:11:31 [bitsko]
AaronSw: that sounds backwards
16:11:51 [AaronSw]
Well, I think he just wants to legislate the GPL as the new copyright.
16:11:54 [bitsko]
ah, if "useful things" == "things that are/can be made free"
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yo yo yo
16:13:30 [bitsko]
redmonk: did those other RESTful systems help in clarifying what REST "is"?
16:13:40 [redmonk]
a little
16:13:43 [quasi]
redmonk: a new and improved version of yo-yo's?
16:13:55 [redmonk]
yes, the yo-yo-yo
16:38:34 [bitsko]
in Chimera or OmniWeb, am I somehow missing the "back" menu? getting the context (right button) menu is easy, but I can't find the list of back sites that most other non-Mac browsers show
16:40:03 [redmonk]
no clue
16:40:05 [redmonk]
i use Moz
16:41:59 [bitsko]
interesting to see more and more articles about Cocoa, with no kvetching about Obj-C
16:42:18 [redmonk]
yeah. kinda cool
16:42:38 [bitsko]
so few people really know about the parts of Obj-C worth kvetching about :)
16:42:54 [redmonk]
heh.
16:43:05 [redmonk]
and you?
16:45:08 [bitsko]
minor kvetches: garbage collection, tight coupling, dropping of higher-level language support/bindings
16:45:37 [redmonk]
"dropping of higher-level language support/bindings"?
16:45:40 [redmonk]
meaning...
16:45:42 [bitsko]
method dispatch is still slo.
16:46:21 [bitsko]
for a long time, there were several groups/companies that supported Perl, Py, Tcl over Obj-C, but they've all but withered away without Apple's support
16:46:37 [redmonk]
oh right
16:46:48 [redmonk]
Objective-Perl/Py/etc.
16:48:18 [bitsko]
yup. used to be those were first-class languages in IB/PB, not any more
16:48:49 [bitsko]
is AppleScript even first-class in IB/PB? I haven't loaded the more recent releases
16:49:24 [redmonk]
well, you have to create an applescript studio project, but yes
17:05:53 [AaronSw]
"The basis of the patent system doesn't make sense in our field
17:05:54 [AaronSw]
"
17:08:04 [AaronSw]
"there is now mathematical modeling showing that in a field of incremental innovation patents can obstruct progress" http://www.researchoninnovation.org/patent.pdf
17:15:02 [bitsko]
Moz goes 1.0
17:15:57 [bitsko]
hehe, "The latest IE gopher hole patch is out"
17:19:03 [pixel]
amazing that it still support gopher, huh?
17:19:24 [AaronSw]
moz goes 1.0?!?!
17:19:28 [AaronSw]
no way
17:19:54 [Ash-w]
lies
17:20:08 [Ash-w]
Ash-w has changed the topic to: exterminate all rational thought, moz 1.0 was released
17:21:10 [bitsko]
no MN party tho :( there was one WI/MN party, but it was cancelled
17:24:10 [Morbus]
mmmm: http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/silk/
17:24:21 [Morbus]
AaronSw: using it now.
17:24:35 [Morbus]
they added some downloadable extras - calendar, more popup killer, etc.
17:24:43 [AaronSw]
oooooh
17:24:44 [Morbus]
http://www.mozilla.org/start/1.0/
17:24:52 [Morbus]
under add-ons
17:25:06 [Morbus]
mostly just "good" projects from mozdev.
17:25:19 [Morbus]
which is runnign reeally slow
17:26:46 [AaronSw]
heh, dock detox
17:27:00 [AaronSw]
argh, where's my 10.1.5
17:34:23 [AaronSw]
heh, end of the stream
17:34:29 [deltab]
hehe
17:34:32 [AaronSw]
Stallman: "I gave them three hours of words, now it's over!"
17:34:35 [AaronSw]
BBC Dude: "Very good."
18:08:47 [AaronSw]
.time pst
18:10:53 [sbp]
ooh, 1.0
18:12:53 [AaronSw]
Can folks give me feedback on an RDF vocab?
18:13:34 [pixel]
you lost me.
18:14:07 [AaronSw]
Heh, you're not my target audience
18:14:31 [pixel]
didn't figure:)
18:14:35 [bitsko]
sure
18:14:39 [pixel]
I do use RDf frequently though =)
18:14:40 [bitsko]
can try!
18:14:49 [AaronSw]
pixel, oh?
18:14:59 [AaronSw]
Trying to describe copyright licenses. License permits Copy, Edit, Link .
18:15:11 [pixel]
yah. my website uses RDF for some of it's acbkend, and I've been using it for photos.
18:15:15 [AaronSw]
License requires Copyleft, Notice, Credit, Source, .
18:15:27 [AaronSw]
pixel, neato! pointers?
18:15:40 [AaronSw]
License prohibits CommercialUse .
18:15:50 [AaronSw]
does that make sense, bitsko?
18:15:53 [pixel]
the backend (being a blog page): http://www.perceive.net/xml/articles.xml
18:16:40 [bitsko]
yes. I think I've seen work in that area too
18:17:16 [AaronSw]
oh? from who?
18:17:43 [pixel]
the photos is only accessible via API. I have a SQL backend that gets formatted via scripts into RDF data describing the photos in the database, this then gets passed to an XSLT formatter that formats it as HTML. you can see the front end result at: http://www.perceive.net/photos2/
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18:18:13 [AaronSw]
I was going for shorter words. I guess Copy would more accurately be Distribute and edit as Modify or create derivatives.
18:18:13 [bitsko]
it's not a clear memory, but I think it's one of the software packaging groups
18:21:51 [bitsko]
it wasn't as deep or precise as I'm sure you're looking for
18:23:01 [bitsko]
of course, there's the work on dc:rights and I thought the W3C had done a bit in that area too
18:23:39 [AaronSw]
hm, we were talking to eric about dc:rights and he made it sound like there was little standardizaton there
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18:44:46 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj got ibook in mail today
18:44:54 [thelsdj]
whats a good irc client for os x?
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18:46:04 [redmonk]
snak ain't bad
18:46:11 [redmonk]
neither is chatzilla
18:47:18 [thelsdj]
the ethernet connection seems to like to come undone quickly
18:49:42 [AaronSw]
snak: http://www.snak.com/
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18:49:59 [AaronSw]
yeah, need to really push that ethernet cable in
18:50:36 [thelsdj]
if i push any further i'm gonna break something haha
18:51:32 [AaronSw]
Heh.
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18:52:02 [thelsdj]
frak i can't get ftp threw my firewall right now and only downloads for snak are ftp
18:52:46 [thelsdj]
what i really want to know is how do i get a xterm open on this thing hehehe
18:52:59 [AaronSw]
there's http://www.mirrors.ausmac.net/ftp/Communication-SW/Snak/SnakCarbon.sit
18:53:05 [thelsdj]
thanks
18:53:14 [AaronSw]
xterm: click the hard drive, then applications, then utilities, then terminal
18:53:31 [AaronSw]
drag it down to your dock for safe keeping :)
18:54:21 [thelsdj]
whats latest os x patch?
18:54:34 [thelsdj]
i think this has 10.1.4 on it
18:55:23 [AaronSw]
10.1.5 came out yesterday
18:55:30 [AaronSw]
but i can't seem to download it..
18:55:49 [AaronSw]
it should notify you automatically if it needs to be updated\
18:56:43 [thelsdj]
hasn't yet, guess it will pop up while i'm looking at pr0n
18:57:05 [AaronSw]
heh
18:57:07 [thelsdj]
can it mount nfs drives?
18:57:30 [AaronSw]
Hm, i think so...
18:57:32 [bitsko]
* bitsko listens in. hasn't been able to properly mount an nfs server yet
18:58:09 [thelsdj]
doh, hehe guess mp3s arn't gonna be easy then
18:58:15 [bitsko]
if it works right, you need only "Open Network Server" and give it an nfs: url like 'nfs://my_server/path/to/mount'
18:58:16 [AaronSw]
.google mount nfs os x
18:58:17 [xena]
mount nfs os x: http://www.sfu.ca/~hjohnson/osxnisnfs.html
18:58:33 [bitsko]
that menu item is in Finder
18:59:00 [bitsko]
on one of the later menus, not the apple, File, or Edit menus
18:59:08 [AaronSw]
mount -t nfs servername:/remote/path /local/mount/point
18:59:19 [AaronSw]
or just click the desktop and hit Command-K
18:59:32 [AaronSw]
It's under the Go menu.
18:59:37 [AaronSw]
oops <phone>
19:00:02 [bitsko]
the problem I've been having is with the nfs server itself. tried to light one up on Linux but MOSX isn't liking it, but I'm not sure any other clients would either
19:01:39 [thelsdj]
well i got spiny icon lets see if it connects...
19:03:42 [thelsdj]
Jun 5 16:04:12 jesus rpc.mountd: refused mount request from 192.168.0.10 for /mnt/data/mp3 (/): no export entry
19:03:59 [thelsdj]
hrm
19:03:59 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj double checks stuff
19:04:09 [thelsdj]
maybe i need trailing /
19:04:59 [bitsko]
did you tell the server to export it?
19:05:14 [thelsdj]
i had my access list borked
19:05:49 [thelsdj]
Jun 5 16:06:14 jesus kernel: nfsd: request from insecure port (c0a8000a:49171)!
19:05:53 [thelsdj]
uhmm.. lol
19:06:03 [thelsdj]
thats what i get now heh
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19:07:48 [bitsko]
heh, so *that's* what the 'insecure' option is for!
19:07:58 [thelsdj]
yea, just saw in manpage hehe
19:08:14 [bitsko]
hmm, I wonder if MOSX is doing a user-level mount of the filesystem? that would be verra, verra cool
19:08:30 [thelsdj]
wooooooo!
19:08:33 [thelsdj]
it mounted!
19:10:37 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj adds his 30gigs of mp3s across nfs to iTunes
19:10:51 [thelsdj]
mmm beautiful 350kps network traffic
19:11:18 [bitsko]
it's not copying it locally, is it? (or is that what you intended?)
19:11:29 [bitsko]
I want to run iTunes over the nfs mount
19:12:25 [bitsko]
last time I tried under MOSX 10.0 (or public beta?), iTunes didn't buffer so it didn't work
19:15:56 [doid_]
Great news from Europe - 2.4GHz to join commercial sector - commercial exploitation of 2.4GHz band to get green light. Recommendations that the 2.4GHz frequency band should be opened up for commercial use will gain ministerial approval within a month.
19:17:10 [thelsdj]
one song got to 1 minute 2 seconds then just stoped playing
19:17:38 [thelsdj]
this speaker seems pretty whimpy hehe
19:18:10 [thelsdj]
the nfs connection seems to have died
19:19:43 [thelsdj]
wooo already froze 3 programs
19:19:51 [thelsdj]
i'm doing pretty good for my first day with an imacd
19:19:55 [thelsdj]
er ibook
19:20:26 [thelsdj]
actually i think i froze the whole OS
19:23:06 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj wonders if ctrl+alt delete works
19:23:41 [bitsko]
heh. on the power-key keyboards, it's ctrl-option-apple-power (I think)
19:23:49 [thelsdj]
hmm ctrl+command-power worked
19:23:59 [thelsdj]
heh
19:24:06 [thelsdj]
no more nfs playing for me
19:24:19 [thelsdj]
this is my moms ibook so i don't wanna break it
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19:33:01 [thelsdj]
sdfg
19:33:20 [thelsdj]
hmmm, messages come in but don't go out from snak....
19:33:55 [thelsdj-ibook]
testing testing 123
19:33:55 [thelsdj-ibook]
hehe
19:34:01 [thelsdj-ibook]
so this isn't working>?
19:34:03 [thelsdj-ibook]
asdf
19:34:05 [thelsdj-ibook]
lkh
19:34:07 [thelsdj-ibook]
khklhlkjhkjh
19:34:17 [thelsdj]
i sent those like a minute ago, this farking ethernet connection is borked
19:35:20 [thelsdj]
i need a better browser, can't even shift-fn-end to select address
19:39:38 [thelsdj]
so what do i really really have to download on a relativly clean os x system?
19:40:17 [sbp]
Python, perhaps?
19:40:38 [thelsdj]
hehe
19:40:49 [sbp]
a computer isn't really a computer until it has Python installed
19:40:53 [thelsdj]
anything thats end user oriented?
19:40:59 [thelsdj]
like do i need to get quicktime or anything like that
19:41:10 [sbp]
* sbp doesn't have a Mac, so doesn't know
19:41:25 [thelsdj]
hehe
19:41:58 [redmonk]
quicktime should come on it
19:42:04 [redmonk]
what kind of user?
19:42:07 [sbp]
[off] ew
19:42:22 [redmonk]
[off] fark off sbp :)
19:42:45 [sbp]
* sbp [off] pictures QT going at it
19:43:05 [redmonk]
ugh
19:43:07 [bitsko]
replace IE with Chimera
19:43:35 [bitsko]
that's about it for the "first cut" end user things that need to be loaded on a new system
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19:45:20 [Morbus]
bitso: all the new screenshots of the new ampheta are done in chimera :)
19:46:29 [Morbus]
mozdel sllOO.w
19:47:38 [AaronSw]
</phone>
19:47:45 [AaronSw]
Cory: "I consume, digest, and excrete information for a living."
19:47:45 [AaronSw]
Mark: I think they make a cream for that now.
19:48:44 [AaronSw]
doid_, isn't that a bad thing?
19:48:57 [AaronSw]
companies are exploiting our airspace
19:49:10 [thelsdj]
whats chimera url?
19:49:39 [AaronSw]
what does shift-fn-end do?
19:49:58 [AaronSw]
thelsdj, chimera.mozdev.org
19:50:05 [thelsdj]
well fn-right is supposed to be end and shift would make it select
19:50:06 [thelsdj]
heh
19:50:31 [thelsdj]
i just want to be able to select the location field without using mouse
19:50:35 [AaronSw]
ah.
19:50:37 [AaronSw]
command-L
19:50:41 [AaronSw]
and then command-C to copy
19:51:00 [AaronSw]
command is the key with the apple and squigglything
19:51:16 [thelsdj]
yeh
19:51:35 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj smack ethernet connection around summor
19:51:43 [thelsdj]
i can't keep it connected for more than 20 seconds
19:52:23 [Morbus]
sigh: http://pestpatrol.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=000053
19:53:13 [doid_]
Aaron, it means that one no longer has to give away bandwith to communities. I.e. it is no longer illegal to attempt to recover the costs of provision.
19:56:36 [bitsko]
* bitsko -> home
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19:56:56 [doid_]
Or rather it won't be if the idea is approved.
19:58:08 [AaronSw]
ugh, snak crashed again
19:58:10 [AaronSw]
time to try chatzilla
19:58:36 [AaronSw]
<doid_> Aaron, it means that one no longer has to give away bandwith to communities. I.e. it is no longer illegal to attempt to recover the costs of provision.
19:58:47 [AaronSw]
Ouch, that makes it sound even worse!
19:58:58 [AaronSw]
(are my left-wing sympathies showing?)
19:59:08 [AaronSw]
whoa, terminal crashed too
19:59:09 [AaronSw]
weird.
19:59:14 [AaronSw]
the internet should be free and untethered for all!
19:59:22 [AaronSw]
i mean really, all this equipment is pretty much a one-time cost
19:59:40 [AaronSw]
just throw in a lot of redundacy
19:59:49 [AaronSw]
wow, 176K/s from mozilla.org
19:59:56 [AaronSw]
you think it would be overloaded
20:00:20 [thelsdj]
arggg i hate all this stuff on ftp
20:01:09 [AaronSw]
yeah, down with ftp
20:01:26 [thelsdj]
so i can't download chimera either hehe
20:02:14 [AaronSw]
hmm
20:02:23 [redmonk]
huh?
20:02:26 [redmonk]
curl
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20:04:03 [AaronSw_]
wow, this sucks even more than the web browser :)
20:04:21 [Morbus]
what does?
20:04:27 [redmonk]
chatzilla
20:04:28 [AaronSw_]
chatzilla
20:04:39 [redmonk]
it is, truly, fugly
20:05:26 [AaronSw]
thelsdj, http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/chimera/nightly/latest-trunk/
20:05:51 [thelsdj]
ah nice
20:06:14 [thelsdj]
sometimes its just too easy its hard
20:06:27 [doid_]
Nothing is free. Though I would like the government to provide internet access from tax revenues for all to enjoy, it doesn't seem it's going to be that way.
20:06:41 [AaronSw]
Hm, that sounds like a good plan.
20:06:58 [AaronSw]
Someone (lessig?) proposed that the government should just give everyone in the US broadband internet and be done with it
20:07:03 [doid_]
Free communications, real freedom to "speak"
20:07:13 [doid_]
I agree
20:07:30 [AaronSw]
but community wireless is certainly a big step forward
20:07:51 [AaronSw]
as i took a cab thru cambridge i passed at least 50 different wireless networks
20:08:09 [doid_]
Yes, and it isn't taking off because the providers can't afford to give it away forever.
20:08:22 [doid_]
Cambridge UK?
20:08:27 [AaronSw]
no, MA
20:08:30 [AaronSw]
they're really taken off. just give them a few more years, a little stronger signal, some better protocols for p2p connections and we'll have wireless internet everywhere
20:09:03 [redmonk]
* redmonk wonders about Rendezvous
20:09:10 [redmonk]
in this context
20:09:54 [AaronSw]
wireless internet is definitely part of the world domination plan
20:10:15 [doid_]
Yep, can't wait. The 3.5 Ghz as hub, maybe
20:10:16 [redmonk]
wireless internet and cthululets
20:10:54 [Morbus]
AaronSw_: you got anything that spits or logs the headers sent to a page?
20:11:03 [Morbus]
actrually, hrm. nevermind.
20:11:10 [redmonk]
(cf. http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20020604 )
20:11:10 [AaronSw]
curl on the command line
20:11:14 [AaronSw]
w3c has a cgi applet
20:16:01 [Morbus]
AaronSw: i just added a referer thingy to amphetadesk,
20:16:17 [Morbus]
as per http://rss.benhammersley.com/archives/000077.html#000077
20:16:21 [thelsdj]
sbp: i would asume the reason some are bold and others arn't is because if it hits it on the last level, it didn't bother to check to see if it could go further, so on 2 levels some wont be bold but on 3 they will be bold because it used it to go further
20:18:09 [AaronSw]
Ben Hammersly is turning out to be quite the RSS community guy
20:18:29 [Morbus]
yeah, i've talked to him a good deal of late.
20:18:51 [AaronSw]
lol: UPDATE Morbus Iff is hacking Amphetadesk right now! I have him on Instant Messenger talking me through it.
20:18:59 [Morbus]
:)
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20:19:08 [AaronSw]
but ampheta users don't have weblogs...
20:19:13 [Morbus]
yeah, well, that's the thing.
20:19:19 [Morbus]
it probably won't be a frontend for peopel to change.
20:19:27 [Morbus]
because i worry that they'll think its about tracking, that sort of thing.
20:19:28 [AaronSw]
He's really shown quite a knack for getting people to agree on things and add them. I hope his book is good.
20:19:33 [AaronSw]
He's very diplomatic.
20:19:45 [thelsdj]
Morbus: wasn't _I_ the one who told you to do that? lol
20:19:46 [Morbus]
so i'm just gonna default to http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/ and then give instructions on modifying the perl source for those who really want to do it.
20:19:46 [AaronSw]
but it is about tracking!
20:19:52 [Morbus]
thelsdj-ibook: dammit! look over in #disobey.
20:19:52 [AaronSw]
aha
20:20:01 [Morbus]
i was asking about you <G>
20:20:06 [Morbus]
"who was that guy...?" <G>
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20:20:12 [Morbus]
anyways, i have the hack if you want it for the alpha.
20:20:15 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
20:20:16 [Morbus]
Ben!
20:20:16 [AaronSw]
BenHammersley!
20:20:24 [BenHammersley]
I heard someone say my name...
20:20:33 [thelsdj]
lmao
20:20:33 [thelsdj]
that was me :)
20:20:33 [AaronSw]
see, if i praise him enough he appears
20:20:35 [BenHammersley]
my spidey sense kicked in
20:20:44 [Morbus]
spidey sense and a helpful loggy URL ;)
20:20:45 [deus_x]
Someone keep slipping SW acid into DW's coffee?
20:20:51 [AaronSw]
Ben, I was just saying how wonderful a human being you are and how we should all bow down before you and send you chash
20:20:55 [AaronSw]
err cash
20:21:05 [BenHammersley]
aw shucks
20:21:19 [AaronSw]
deus_x, don't tell them about the Semantric Web kool-aid
20:21:28 [AaronSw]
Ugh, sorry to leave when things are just warming up!
20:21:34 [AaronSw]
But I have to run... talk to you all later.
20:21:34 [Morbus]
boOO!
20:21:39 [Morbus]
* Morbus throws things at AaronSw.
20:21:50 [deus_x]
* deus_x bars the door.
20:21:52 [BenHammersley]
now now children
20:21:54 [AaronSw]
Not my fault. Someone else is dragging me out of the room.
20:22:06 [BenHammersley]
let the man leave - he's got worlds to dream of
20:22:20 [Morbus]
bah. he only needs my world.
20:22:46 [BenHammersley]
chatzilla's quite nice innit - yes, Morbus, we are but your pawns
20:23:19 [deus_x]
Chatzilla's much nicer than I thought it was. Does a lot of what I wanted xchat to do. I surprised.
20:24:50 [BenHammersley]
I too - the first time I bothered with the complete install. I amazed
20:25:30 [Morbus]
i keep skippig chatzilla. trillian works well enough for me.
20:25:37 [deus_x]
Sometimes a hard drive crash & complete reinstall makes me rediscover software :)
20:25:43 [Morbus]
i've got 9 channels docked to one window that flashes when someone says anything. works for me :)
20:26:21 [BenHammersley]
Trillian is usually my weapon of choice - if they added Jabber I'd be overcome with IM madness
20:26:32 [Morbus]
oh man, that's my one beef too :)
20:28:15 [deus_x]
I'd try that with OS X Fire, but last I tried IRC with it, things went kablowie.
20:28:29 [thelsdj]
deus_x: you're decafbad?
20:28:37 [deus_x]
Why yes I am.
20:28:50 [thelsdj]
* thelsdj bows, I'm ImReadingYourRSSFeed.php hehe
20:28:59 [deus_x]
Hah, nice! :)
20:29:15 [Morbus]
ahhhh.
20:29:16 [Morbus]
community!
20:29:17 [Morbus]
<G>
20:29:19 [deus_x]
I feel a sudden urge to sing a Disney song, but I can't afford the royalties.
20:29:30 [thelsdj]
i still think that idea originated with me, and now we have radio doin it and amphetadesk is doin it, i'm quite proud
20:29:57 [Morbus]
:)
20:30:09 [Morbus]
deus_x: speaking of which, I just commited that change to CVS.
20:30:22 [deus_x]
Morbus: Oh, rock!
20:30:26 [deus_x]
* deus_x updates
20:31:04 [sbp]
Hammersley in Swhack?
20:31:20 [BenHammersley]
In the house, aye
20:31:22 [thelsdj]
jeff's post was 3 days before mine, but i hadn't seen his post until the minute i was writing and did a search on google or something
20:31:49 [deus_x]
I'd written about it awhile back, but never got off my butt to actually figure it out. :)
20:31:57 [doid_]
Chatzilla tip - put this in a browser / tab address bar: chrome://chatzilla/content
20:32:19 [deus_x]
Oh, reeeeally?
20:32:25 [doid_]
But if you use the /quit command, it quits the browser
20:32:29 [deus_x]
BRB
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doid_ has quit ("Bye")
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20:33:36 [deus_x]
Nifty!
20:33:41 [thelsdj]
yea well, if ya wanna be technical, i was the first one Dave posted a link to about it :P hehehe
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20:33:59 [thelsdj]
[off] <thelsdj> yea well, if ya wanna be technical, i was the first one Dave posted a link to about it :P hehehe
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20:34:44 [Morbus]
deus_x: yeah, there's no frontend to it, but just look under get() in WWW.pm
20:34:48 [Morbus]
i'm not sure i'll be adding a frontend.
20:34:55 [Morbus]
perhaps a setting in mySettings.xml, but nothign user-viewable.
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20:35:43 [deus_x]
Morbus: Ah hah. Might be nice in settings at least, for CVS updates
20:36:34 [Morbus]
yeah.
20:36:36 [Morbus]
i think i probably will.
20:36:39 [Morbus]
really easy.
20:36:44 [Morbus]
just need to add a line in Settings.pm
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20:36:50 [Morbus]
and then get_settings it from WWW.pm
20:36:53 [deus_x]
Weird. this CZ-in-a-tab brinkgs along its own status bar. heh
20:36:55 [Morbus]
its like two minutes of work ;)
20:37:27 [Morbus]
wb Ben.
20:37:47 [BenHammersley]
cheers - just seeing if you can bookmark irc channels like this
20:38:00 [deus_x]
Now I just have to get back around to reworking my dying referrer code
20:38:07 [Morbus]
BenHammersley: i've got mine set for autojoin.
20:38:32 [Morbus]
deus_x: i'll have the mySettings.xml stuff done tonight.
20:38:39 [deus_x]
Swanky!
20:38:41 [Morbus]
so tomorrow's CVS should be a set-and-forget sorta thing for you.
20:38:53 [Morbus]
BenHammersley: update. the Referrer will be set in mySettings.xml too.
20:39:11 [Morbus]
so instead of perl mod, its just an XML mod.
20:39:13 [Morbus]
safer.
20:39:37 [thelsdj]
deus_x: so how is vapor trails? i haven't heard it yet
20:39:40 [BenHammersley]
hands up all who think Morbus rocks...
20:39:47 [deus_x]
I've got Ampheta happily running in the wrapper now, yay!
20:39:52 [Morbus]
awesome!
20:39:55 [deus_x]
\m/,
20:39:56 [Morbus]
from the latest CVS? cooollll.
20:40:13 [deus_x]
thelsdj: It's pretty good. Took a little while to grow on me, though.
20:40:14 [Morbus]
BenHammersley: deus_x is the guy doing an OS X wrapper for ampheta.
20:40:32 [BenHammersley]
all that coffee - aids productivity...
20:40:39 [deus_x]
Decaf is bad.
20:40:42 [Morbus]
not coffee! drugs!
20:40:48 [thelsdj]
one friend was saying there was no synthesizer and for me thats half the fun of RUSH heh
20:41:18 [deus_x]
thelsdj: Yeah, they're kinda going for the whole "organic" thing they did with Counterparts. Though there is a synth here or there, in backup
20:41:30 [Morbus]
well, i guess i'm not the man.
20:41:34 [Morbus]
thanks for your support, everyone <G>
20:41:50 [Morbus]
* Morbus imports /dev/null over the AmphetaCVS.
20:41:58 [deus_x]
D'oht!
20:42:02 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
20:42:51 [thelsdj]
who else would love to see a news aggregator done in that activeRenderer?
20:43:03 [thelsdj]
maybe that will be my contribution to amphetadesk
20:43:09 [deus_x]
Oh yeah, I was thinking of doing that meself :)
20:43:11 [thelsdj]
hack those two together
20:43:19 [deus_x]
But if someone else did, I'd be just as happy
20:43:30 [Morbus]
wha? activeRenderer?
20:43:34 [Morbus]
whazzat?
20:43:40 [thelsdj]
that would only require a new template right?
20:43:56 [thelsdj]
holdon i'd give you url but my internet is slow cause i'm downloading chimera
20:43:58 [deus_x]
CSS+DHTML to make an in-browser outline of channels & news items
20:44:05 [Morbus]
oh.
20:44:09 [Morbus]
yeah, in that case, just a new template.
20:44:23 [Morbus]
just a new template file, actually
20:44:23 [deus_x]
The "renderer" part is some UserTalk in Radio to convert OPML into the HTML
20:44:49 [Morbus]
deus_x: the parsed OPML is avaialble as a memstructure in the templates.
20:44:57 [Morbus]
so you'd just have to output however you want it.
20:45:05 [deus_x]
I'll have to check that out
20:45:07 [Morbus]
there's not much layers in the myChannels.opml - its just a single level.
20:45:16 [Morbus]
deus_x: specifically look into MyChannels.pm.
20:45:21 [Morbus]
you should be able to pick it up from there.
20:45:36 [Morbus]
also "get_my_channels" in the template/default/index.html
20:45:42 [deus_x]
I've been converting channel lists back and forth from Radio to Ampheta to Blagg with a few funky regexps :)
20:45:54 [Morbus]
deus_x: you don't have to convert from Radio to Ampheta anymore.
20:46:00 [Morbus]
the CVS ampheta imports Radio.
20:46:06 [Morbus]
* Morbus stretches ;)
20:46:07 [redmonk]
sweet
20:46:12 [deus_x]
Oh yeah.. I think the problem was just one attribute, too
20:46:15 [Morbus]
yeah.
20:46:23 [Morbus]
we know just lowercase the xmlUrl attribute from Radio.
20:46:30 [deus_x]
Swanky
20:46:34 [Morbus]
everything is sucked in, so all your Radio data becomes a part of the Ampheta OPML
20:46:51 [redmonk]
* redmonk downloads Annie Lennox from pixel
20:47:05 [Morbus]
the xmlUrl and htmlUrl are the only two attributes that change from the Radio to Ampheta conversion. they become lowercase.
20:47:49 [sbp]
wow, pixel has Annie Lennox on his hard drive?!
20:48:03 [sbp]
how did he even do that?
20:48:06 [redmonk]
medusa and diva
20:48:11 [redmonk]
ugh.
20:48:16 [redmonk]
* redmonk smacks sbp, hard
20:48:21 [sbp]
:-)
20:52:49 [Morbus]
[off] whoo.
20:52:55 [Morbus]
[off] updated os x office cd-key.
20:55:07 [Morbus]
be back in 20.
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21:04:57 [sbp]
.google suck-o-ware
21:04:58 [xena]
suck-o-ware: no match found
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21:06:38 [sbp]
* sbp waves
21:06:48 [Dark_Archon]
?
21:06:59 [sbp]
.wn wave
21:07:00 [xena]
wave defined as:
21:07:01 [xena]
- n 1: one of a series of ridges that moves across the surface of a liquid (especially across a large body of water) [syn: {moving ridge}]
21:07:02 [xena]
- 2: a movement like that of an ocean wave; "a wave of settlers"; "troops advancing in waves"
21:07:03 [xena]
- 3: (physics) a progressive disturbance propagated without displacement of the medium itself [syn: {undulation}]
21:07:04 [xena]
- 4: something that rises rapidly and dies away; "a wave of emotion swept over him"; "there was a sudden wave of buying before the market closed"
21:07:25 [sbp]
stupid wn
21:08:58 [Morbus]
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21:09:18 [sbp]
"2a. To move or swing as in giving a signal: He waved his hand. See synonyms at flourish. b. To signal or express by waving the hand or an object held in the hand: We waved goodbye." - http://www.bartleby.com/61/5/W0060500.html
21:09:56 [sbp]
* sbp waves to Morbus
21:10:00 [sbp]
what a demonstration!
21:10:46 [Morbus]
eh oh!
21:11:09 [sbp]
whoops, he's turned into a Teletubby again
21:11:22 [BenHammersley]
I hate it when that happens
21:11:44 [sbp]
yeah. I keep expecting to hear Toyah Wilcox in the background
21:11:47 [Morbus]
do not make me get the custard.
21:12:11 [sbp]
(nothing against Toyah, I should note)
21:12:15 [BenHammersley]
Custard.mmm. Second only to Marmite.
21:12:30 [sbp]
you either love it, or you love it
21:12:48 [BenHammersley]
quite right
21:16:41 [Morbus]
woo. office update installed
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21:18:42 [sbp]
[off] as if a wave was some hugely complex gesture
21:18:59 [sbp]
[off] perhaps they waggle their surfboards at you in HI
21:19:11 [sbp]
[off] um... if y'know what I mean :-)
21:19:17 [Morbus]
[deep-woods off] bugs, begone!
21:23:58 [bitsko]
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bitsko!
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21:27:50 [sbp]
one rolls over, and two fall out
21:28:32 [Morbus]
sniff.
21:38:40 [bitsko]
heh
21:39:23 [Morbus]
whoo.
21:39:23 [Morbus]
XML to Referer tweakign now operational
21:39:37 [bitsko]
which is that?
21:40:00 [Morbus]
bitsko: you can now tweak the Referer that AmphetaDesk gives out to sites on GET/HEAD.
21:40:38 [sbp]
has anyone ever really requested that functionality?
21:40:54 [sbp]
I mean, it's very cool, but...
21:41:11 [bitsko]
ya, I had the impression that it came up
21:42:18 [Morbus]
check the latest entry on rss.benhammersley.com
21:42:40 [Morbus]
i don't think its all too important.
21:42:40 [Morbus]
i can see the coolness of it.
21:42:44 [Morbus]
but its more of an ego trip than anything
21:43:17 [bitsko]
I was thinking more along the lines of, "OK, so run a newsreader, why does that imply I have a weblog?"
21:43:35 [Morbus]
i'm glad i added it. it was one line. it'd be insulting not to add it ;)
21:43:46 [Morbus]
yah, exactly.
21:43:56 [Morbus]
bitsko: ampheta won't ffer the option via the frontend My Settings.
21:44:03 [sbp]
coolness: indeed
21:44:11 [Morbus]
since it assumes too much, and also dumb people will think its a tracking sorta thing.
21:44:22 [Morbus]
so, it'll only be accessible for people who want to edit the mySettings.xml file manually
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* MorbusIff grumbles
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21:50:45 [sbp]
This place is becoming RSS central
21:52:05 [Morbus]
phbbt
21:52:15 [Morbus]
we should take it to #rss, eh? ;)
21:52:27 [sbp]
heh, heh: "New Media society blown away by awesome Hotel Chelsea website. All involved become rich and powerful." - http://www.hotelchelsea.com/history.html
21:56:29 [sbp]
<[...]> thebot!
21:56:30 [sbp]
<thebot> i am probably a pile of crap!
22:00:47 [wmf]
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swhack!
22:02:39 [Morbus]
you know, its great to know that i fixed bugs i didn't know existed.
22:03:02 [sbp]
heh. what one was it this time, or don't you know?
22:03:17 [Morbus]
it was some issues with win98 that had never been reported before.
22:03:26 [Morbus]
but were mysteriously fixed in the alpha.zip.
22:04:38 [sbp]
the elves play about with your computer at night
22:05:26 [Morbus]
bastards!
22:08:14 [sbp]
that's what you get for showering them with crumbs by day
22:08:38 [Ash-w]
underpants gnomes
22:08:48 [sbp]
heh, they're the best
22:08:56 [Morbus]
heh, i was thinking of them,
22:09:11 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if the transcript to that is online
22:09:20 [Ash-w]
Step 1: Fix Amphetadesk bugs
22:09:23 [Morbus]
hey wmf. how's life?
22:09:23 [Ash-w]
Step 2: ?????????
22:09:25 [Ash-w]
Step 3: PROFIT!
22:09:34 [Morbus]
'hehehehehe
22:09:40 [Morbus]
yeaah, goat, yeah.
22:09:47 [Ash-w]
You can get the whole episode online, sbp
22:09:51 [Ash-w]
http://www.spepisodes.com/
22:10:03 [Morbus]
i've got the first season in QT.
22:10:08 [Morbus]
as well as the original christmas episode.
22:10:13 [Morbus]
and the pencil drawing before that with the killer snowman.
22:10:18 [Morbus]
where kyle was cartman, etc.
22:10:43 [Morbus]
do they have those there?
22:10:48 [sbp]
ooh, http://www.spscriptorium.com/E217script.htm
22:10:50 [wmf]
hey Morbus
22:12:21 [redmonk]
yo wmf
22:12:45 [wmf]
interestingly, top kills QT Broadcaster
22:13:31 [wmf]
HTP radio is running
22:14:16 [redmonk]
cool
22:14:34 [wmf]
it's weird listening to reality and reality with a ~10s time delay
22:17:39 [Ash-w]
htp radio
22:17:46 [wmf]
hey ash
22:17:48 [Ash-w]
is that just wmf speaking a string of curse words?
22:17:51 [Ash-w]
hehe
22:17:55 [Ash-w]
Hi wmf, how's it going?
22:18:01 [wmf]
you can also hear me typing :-)
22:18:06 [Ash-w]
Ooh!
22:18:11 [Ash-w]
The sounds of wmf typing
22:18:11 [Ash-w]
hehe
22:18:24 [Ash-w]
I should really hunt down my webcam.
22:18:25 [wmf]
I know. try to contain yourself
22:18:29 [Ash-w]
I'm not sure where it is.
22:22:24 [wmf]
ok, maybe I finally have a stream that will work
22:23:09 [bitsko]
* bitsko feels left out on Linux. should sneak up to the iMac
22:24:14 [wmf]
hmm, it's still cutting out
22:25:03 [Ash-w]
bitsko: It's okay, I'm using Linux too.
22:25:22 [Ash-w]
I'd much rather be using FreeBSD, but kylix doesn't run there (yet).
22:25:31 [Ash-w]
I gotta hax0r object pascal at my day job.
22:25:34 [bitsko]
heh, just ran across a web forum with dates like "May 13, 19102". musta been smoking something over y2k ;)
22:25:44 [Ash-w]
wheeeeeeee
22:25:47 [Ash-w]
19102
22:25:48 [Ash-w]
THE FUTURE!
22:25:52 [Ash-w]
it's a time travelling website
22:25:54 [wmf]
* wmf gives up on streaming
22:26:00 [Ash-w]
give in to the dark side
22:26:12 [Ash-w]
wmf: Sounds like you need a better net connection.
22:26:17 [Ash-w]
Hehe.
22:26:25 [wmf]
it's not clear that the net connection is a problem
22:26:41 [Ash-w]
No, the net connection is always the problem.
22:26:45 [Ash-w]
It's an excuse to upgrade, come on.
22:27:03 [wmf]
what am I to upgrade to?
22:27:04 [Ash-w]
<wmf> maybe if I pay an extra $200 a month for a new net connection this will work...
22:27:17 [Ash-w]
wmf: get a nice zippy SDSL connection.
22:27:32 [wmf]
let me think...
22:27:34 [wmf]
no
22:27:36 [Ash-w]
heh heh
22:27:45 [Ash-w]
Are you using cable now?
22:27:52 [wmf]
yeah
22:27:56 [Ash-w]
ahhh
22:27:59 [Ash-w]
the land of no static IPs
22:28:15 [wmf]
that's not really a problem
22:28:40 [Ash-w]
Yeah.
22:28:59 [Ash-w]
I like having my static IPs currently, though. I haven't moved to cable because I don't want to give them up.
22:29:13 [Ash-w]
I have 16 static addresses now.
22:29:36 [sbp]
bah! give me one, you static IP address hog!
22:30:09 [Ash-w]
Bwahahaha.
22:30:12 [sbp]
the world will never be a free and unopressive place to live in whilst greedy fatcats like you steal all the IP addresses
22:30:19 [Ash-w]
I have 128 IP addresses here at work.
22:30:22 [Ash-w]
I think we use 5.
22:30:23 [Ash-w]
Ha ha.
22:30:27 [sbp]
and what happens when all the IP addresses run out? you'll be the first to complain!
22:30:37 [sbp]
it's *disgusting*. I couldn't be more outraged. 16!
22:31:00 [Ash-w]
Nah.
22:31:02 [wmf]
we have ~16M IP addresses at work :-)
22:31:06 [Ash-w]
I'll be using IPv6 and laughing at you.
22:31:21 [Ash-w]
wmf: Yeah, yeah.. Mr. "BigCo"
22:31:27 [Ash-w]
God I hate "BigCo"
22:31:31 [Ash-w]
I wish that term would die.
22:31:51 [sbp]
oh, there you go with fancy pants elitist "oh, hey I'll just use IPv6 like the big IP address hugging freak that I ma, bwahh, bwaahhh bwaaaaaah", and I'll be all poor with my IP address sbegging
22:32:00 [Ash-w]
lol
22:32:14 [Ash-w]
I'm going to oppress you, sbp
22:32:17 [sbp]
* sbp is so annoyed that he can barely type!
22:32:20 [Ash-w]
* Ash-w steals sbp's land
22:32:28 [sbp]
I mean, really... dude! gaaaaaah!
22:32:28 [Ash-w]
* Ash-w burns sbp's apartment
22:32:41 [sbp]
next you'll be eating my chickens
22:32:42 [Ash-w]
* Ash-w has the FBI investigate sbp for "subversive activities"
22:32:51 [Ash-w]
I don't eat chicken, so you don't have to worry about that.
22:33:11 [wmf]
* wmf blogs
22:33:14 [sbp]
vegetarian? vegan?
22:33:31 [Ash-w]
I'm vegetarian
22:33:32 [sbp]
well, you can eat my raddishes or something
22:33:35 [Ash-w]
I do eat fish though.
22:33:42 [Ash-w]
lol wes.
22:33:59 [sbp]
s/dd/d/
22:34:26 [sbp]
lol!
22:34:38 [sbp]
and he even corrected my spelling to make me look like less of an idiot
22:34:39 [sbp]
phew
22:34:59 [Ash-w]
heh
22:35:11 [redmonk]
* redmonk install qt6
22:35:18 [Ash-w]
wmf: you're supposed to use [sic]
22:35:21 [redmonk]
* redmonk waits for optimization
22:35:28 [Ash-w]
that way you're making fun of people at the same time.
22:35:29 [Ash-w]
weeeeee
22:35:54 [wmf]
I'm not making fun of sbp, I'm making fun of you. get with the program!
22:36:02 [sbp]
heh, heh
22:36:56 [Ash-w]
wmf: Ohhh!
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22:38:23 [sbp]
welp, that's just how it is Ash: you get people like wmf coming along with their all encompassing media clout, and devoting their time to standing up for the poor dishevelled fixed-IPless masses
22:38:39 [Ash-w]
yeah
22:38:44 [wmf]
preach on, sbp
22:38:59 [redmonk]
"fixed-IPless masses"?
22:39:02 [Ash-w]
He acts like he's trying to stick up for you, to stick it to the man.. but he *IS* the man!
22:39:13 [Ash-w]
wmf is the opressor!
22:39:16 [redmonk]
how about "the static-ip-challenged"?
22:39:17 [Ash-w]
+p
22:39:21 [wmf]
heh
22:39:28 [Ash-w]
redmonk: how about "losers"
22:39:32 [redmonk]
as we prefer to be called
22:39:42 [wmf]
* wmf sends redmonk for politcal correctness deprogramming
22:39:48 [redmonk]
ash-w: kiss my dual ds3
22:39:53 [Ash-w]
lol
22:40:10 [Ash-w]
DS3? Is that some sort of fisher price internet connection for kids?
22:40:18 [wmf]
uh oh
22:40:24 [redmonk]
10mbit each
22:40:26 [redmonk]
i believe
22:40:29 [Ash-w]
* Ash-w whomps redmonk on the head with OC-192's
22:40:39 [redmonk]
lol
22:40:45 [redmonk]
* redmonk scratches head.
22:40:48 [redmonk]
8ouch*!
22:40:51 [Ash-w]
hehe
22:40:56 [Ash-w]
Sorry, I got a little carried away.
22:41:11 [redmonk]
are you really on 192's?
22:41:37 [sbp]
how about: "dishevelled dynamicIP subjected masses"
22:41:39 [Ash-w]
No, I'm joking.
22:41:41 [sbp]
* sbp thwaps his connection for giving way at the most inappropriate of times (i.e. ever)
22:41:46 [redmonk]
heh.
22:41:49 [wmf]
Ash is on something...
22:41:55 [redmonk]
indeed :)
22:41:56 [Ash-w]
Right now I'm connected through a nice clean T1.
22:42:06 [Ash-w]
I don't think anybody is on OC-192's.
22:42:08 [Ash-w]
Hehe.
22:42:10 [redmonk]
heh. we have two fiber lines omcing in here
22:42:12 [Ash-w]
I mean, not to themselves.
22:45:49 [redmonk]
lol
22:45:55 [redmonk]
i just went over to dslreports
22:46:01 [redmonk]
and did theirr bandwidth test
22:46:04 [redmonk]
at work ;)
22:47:11 [redmonk]
http://media.remdonk.net/images/uhaulDslReports.jpg
22:47:39 [wmf]
http://media.redmonk.net/images/uhaulDslReports.jpg
22:47:47 [redmonk]
ugh
22:47:50 [redmonk]
me to typee
22:47:53 [redmonk]
er, no typee
22:48:01 [wmf]
damn
22:48:14 [redmonk]
:)
22:49:27 [redmonk]
all the bandwidth for uhaul's webpresence goes through this house.
22:49:53 [redmonk]
i think we can dial up to 40mbps throughput is necessary
22:50:03 [redmonk]
er, if necessary...
22:54:20 [Ash-w]
Uhaul's webpresence is connected through your house?
22:55:02 [redmonk]
heh. The U-Haul WebHouse
22:55:13 [redmonk]
two-story house in Downtown Phx
22:55:29 [wmf]
I thought that was a secret
22:55:41 [redmonk]
the carport was enclosed and now holds about 4 tons of backup power and about 30 servers
22:55:43 [redmonk]
;)
22:55:54 [redmonk]
no secret... just not advertised
22:55:56 [Ash-w]
heh
22:55:58 [Ash-w]
That's amusing.
22:56:03 [redmonk]
yeah.
22:56:07 [redmonk]
i've got pics somewhere
22:56:34 [Ash-w]
Safeway has a datacenter here in salt lake city.
22:56:44 [Ash-w]
I interviewed there.. man, what a bizarre place
22:57:02 [redmonk]
heh
22:57:06 [Ash-w]
it's in the middle of a bunch of trucking companies with no logo or anything on the door
22:57:27 [Ash-w]
they had rows and rows of RS6000's
22:57:42 [Ash-w]
and a gigantic NCR storage server that used a whole huge room
22:57:54 [Ash-w]
and they had 4 e10k's that they *weren't using*
22:58:00 [redmonk]
wow.
22:58:03 [Ash-w]
all in a nice row
22:58:14 [Ash-w]
and they had 2 of the humongous S/390 boxes
22:58:59 [redmonk]
geeeeez
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23:02:37 [Ash-w]
MORBAS
23:02:41 [Ash-w]
redmonk: Yeah, it was totally insane.
23:02:44 [Morbus]
eh oh
23:02:49 [Ash-w]
Ok, time to go home.. see you turkeys at 11:00
23:02:50 [Ash-w]
wheeee
23:04:37 [sbp]
c'ya Ash
23:05:10 [redmonk]
laters
23:05:19 [Morbus]
anyone seen deus?
23:05:37 [sbp]
.seen deus_x
23:05:37 [xena]
deus_x seen in #swhack saying: [ Swanky ] ~ 2 hr(s) 19 min(s) 6 sec(s) ago
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oierw|school is now known as oierw
23:12:52 [Morbus]
* Morbus checks over the amphetaOSX code.
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23:14:39 [Morbus]
deus_x!
23:14:39 [Morbus]
holy crap.
23:14:40 [Morbus]
i was just thinking about you.
23:15:11 [Morbus]
ten minutes ago, in fact.
23:17:22 [walloper]
<lilo> "I lift this clavicle to worlds without number, and bring a new light to the Way, guiding this gate that all may prosper, those who guide and are guided, who light the Way and bask in the light so given....Behold, I open a new world."
23:17:47 [walloper]
<lilo> Please welcome the reincarnated vinge.openprojects.net, courtesy of WearLab in Bremen, DE, EU!
23:17:48 [wmf]
* wmf yawns
23:17:56 [wmf]
so melodromatic
23:18:06 [Morbus]
oh, what?
23:18:17 [Morbus]
next you're gonna talk about how ipv6 is god's gift to the internet.
23:18:52 [redmonk]
* redmonk opens quake 3 for os x, figures he's going to fry in a minute
23:19:01 [Morbus]
deus_x
23:19:03 [Morbus]
deus_x!!
23:19:04 [Morbus]
ooOh.
23:19:14 [Morbus]
AaronSw: did you know multiple tabbing in Snak cycles through matching nicks?
23:19:16 [Morbus]
man, i'm slow.
23:20:19 [deus_x]
Oh, hey. I'm actually here
23:20:32 [Morbus]
hey, i got me an error in ampheta.
23:20:37 [Morbus]
wanna join me in #disobey
23:20:43 [deus_x]
Uh oh. What kinda error? Sure.
23:21:16 [deus_x]
Doing a horrible disservice to myself, eating microwaved Chinese leftovers
23:21:20 [redmonk]
heh
23:21:30 [redmonk]
os x Quake 3 is very palayable
23:21:36 [redmonk]
er, playable
23:21:42 [redmonk]
no more booting into os 9!!
23:21:49 [redmonk]
i can nuke os 9 on this box now ;)
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