00:26:15 Seth has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:37:50 * Morbus is tired. 00:59:02 AaronSw: john robb's thinks your dad should be pissed. 01:11:51 lol @ jrobb 01:11:54 that's hilarious. 01:13:00 isn't it? 01:13:13 its like, next thing you know, people are gonna be putting his head on nude pictures. 01:13:20 and jrobb's gonna be like "his dad should be pissed!" 01:13:59 AaronSw: you need to make your MT RSS feed better. the excerpt sucks. turn it into MTBlogEntry or something. please? ;)] 01:31:14 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 01:38:52 MorbusIff (morbus@s114.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:47:00 lol Morbus 01:49:19 Morbus has quit (No route to host) 02:01:50 eikeon has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:02:40 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:02:51 swhack! 02:04:43 wf! 02:05:06 MorbusIff: what's your darth name? 02:05:21 i dunno. 02:05:24 i'm not a sw fan. 02:05:39 neither am I, but I already have two 02:05:46 heh, heh. 02:10:52 MorbusIff is now known as Morbus 02:14:56 hackup123 (Unix@a24b165n46client141.hawaii.rr.com) has joined #swhack 02:15:02 ... 02:15:06 what is this channel about? 02:15:20 0 day warez. 02:15:27 i 02:15:27 c 02:15:32 hackup123 has left #swhack 02:17:19 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We experienced a split in one of our main rotation servers and it's been removed from the rotation. This server has been experiencing occasional reliability problems of late for brief periods of time; this puts us down to three main rotation servers. We're making progress but still short. If you think you might be able to sponsor a server, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email lilo@openpr 02:17:33 [GlobalNotice] erm, and email lilo@openprojects.net .... thanks! 02:22:59 uberfunk (~adam@12-239-86-188.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:56:13 NullBot (~null@m22-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 02:56:20 NullBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:16:26 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 04:21:13 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-104-95.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 04:22:14 GabeW is now known as DarthBEEP 04:32:27 DarthBEEP has quit ("Client Exiting") 04:39:45 sortAaron (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:39:54 Wow, that jrobb thing is way to funny. 04:40:01 what? 04:40:04 I wonder if I should edit the page to be clearer.. 04:40:17 jrobb is dising my dad 04:40:29 http://jrobb.userland.com/2002/05/21.html#a1838 04:41:02 and mispelling my name 04:41:27 he doesn't know you, does he? 04:41:33 not that i know of 04:41:51 although that post of yours isn't the clearest 04:42:43 * wmf . o O ( so that's why he wouldn't drink anything at etcon. he was still getting over that... ) 04:42:53 sortAaron is now known as kindaAaron 04:43:19 remember kids, alcohol is bad 04:43:44 i'm really surprised he found that 04:44:41 nobody notices ... hm, maybe i should mention alcohol in my technical writing too 04:46:13 wow, somebody is fighting back against the "poor little RealNames" meme 04:46:17 on /. no less! 04:47:06 I uploaded my etcon photos. 04:47:25 jill: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/google/IMG_1597.JPG/view 04:47:38 etcon photos: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/etcon2002/ 04:48:56 wow, Sun is using metacity 04:49:44 got more braces on today. they really really really hurt 04:50:19 only a few years to go... 04:50:38 wow, a google banner ad 04:51:04 where? 04:51:14 http://www.pcworld.com/dart_house/idg/5-17-02_google_barter/at_work120x600.gif 04:52:31 man, I look really relaxed in many photos 04:54:17 do you ever look any other way? ;) 04:54:26 heh 04:54:30 I am such a slacker 04:54:50 heh, i loved these signs: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/etcon2002/IMG_1599.JPG/view 04:55:02 sorry, I don't get it 04:55:04 "fire alarm sounds like 'whooop' looks like 'strobe light' 04:55:11 oh yeah, that 04:55:15 it's so all-your-basey 04:55:53 that gives me an idea 04:56:26 oh? 04:56:58 combine me sinking deep into a couch with the couch on stage... what a great way to give a talk 04:57:25 yeah, i was tempted to take bruce up on his offer 04:57:35 what was it? 04:57:51 he had the couch on stage set so he was inviting people to come sit down on them 04:58:01 heh, MarkM does the "I am not a crook" thing 04:58:13 lol 04:58:25 but i was afraid i'd look stupid chatting on irc on stage during his talk 04:59:01 what's up with the shoulder-surfing photo? 04:59:31 oh, it's draper 05:03:24 heh, http://home.austin.rr.com/wmf/ sounds totally like wmf in real life 05:03:31 "So now these free Web apps come along and I start using them, because hey, it's free and useful. But then when they're down, I can't complain (because it's free) but I also can't get work done. But life is like that. A lot of people become dependent on their jobs because they get used to the money and can't give it up. 05:03:33 " 05:04:04 suprising? 05:04:14 no, it's just cool 05:04:20 actually, that sounds really banal 05:07:23 * kindaAaron is still wating for HTP TV 05:07:24 ah, this PIM/filesystem thread is actually interesting! 05:07:32 one day... 05:07:38 is it? guess i should read it 05:11:18 "I'd even venture to say that XML is a bad way to represent RDF. On the other hand, whenever I see XML I mentally replace it with "evil demon scum" so maybe I'm biased." 05:12:06 Paul's lists are a bit... ah, what's the word 05:13:44 hm, i can't thing of anything to respond with except 'right on!' 05:18:14 argh, my airport card keeps flaking out 05:24:47 heh! "Some [pronounciation] Panelists admit to being so vexed by the problem [of how to pronounce banal] that they tend to avoid the word in conversation. 05:25:06 ridiculous! 05:25:25 i say bay-null 05:25:57 (of course, I probably pronounce it wrong, but since evidently *nobody* knows how to say it, they can't tell that I'm wrong) 05:26:59 2% of their Panel say it rhymes with panel, 38% say anal, 14% say bah-nahl 05:27:33 err bay-nahl 05:27:44 was Joey on this panel? 05:27:47 :-) 05:28:31 anyway, gotta sleep so I can slave away for The Man tomorrow 05:28:52 have fun 05:28:58 wmf has quit ("Darth BitchX") 05:29:04 * kindaAaron sucks on some cookies 05:31:53 hmph, all copies of hourglass on AG are blocked 05:40:10 interesting. the songs that came free w/ my computer are blocked on audiogalaxy 05:45:02 take it to the bridge, throw it overboard, ... 05:47:54 too much pain, must sleep 05:47:58 kindaAaron has quit ("can't take the pain") 06:38:27 Hi all. If you've seen any pr0n spammers lately, please let me know 07:57:27 rillian (~giles@mist.thaumas.net) has joined #swhack 08:31:25 so I switched to dark transparent backgrounds in Terminal.app 08:31:32 along with a nice jupiter image for wallpaper 08:31:36 which was a nice change 08:31:54 but osx just isn't as configurable as linuxen 08:32:05 at last, a reason to switch back :) 09:09:00 rillian has quit ("night everyone") 10:31:06 rik has left #swhack 11:59:22 pixel_2 (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 12:00:52 pixel_2 is now known as pixel 12:01:23 pixel_2 (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 12:02:01 pixel_2 has left #swhack 12:30:25 .acronym MTW 12:30:27 MTW: Machine Tool Wire, Major Theater War, Manitowoc, Wisconsin (Airport Code), Marinette, Tomahawk, and Western Railroad Company, Midtown West (area in New York City), Midtown West (public school in Manhattan, New York), Mission to the World (Presbyterian Church in America international mission), Mobile Training Wing, Mortal Team Work (Quake clan), Musical Theatre Works (New York, NY) 12:31:01 .acronym WThF 12:31:02 WThF: 12:52:56 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 13:12:42 are you actually wondering what those stand for, Quasi? 13:16:08 sandro: they were posted in another channel, and didn't register in my cached acronym list ;) 13:36:40 quasi, I was just wondering if you actually wanted to be told what they meant. They seemed obvious enough to me that I didn't want to insult you by telling (or not telling) you! 13:40:05 sandro: the last one was actually a spelling mistake, which confused me a bit - the first one was something I'd never seen before 13:42:57 i hate tla's. 13:44:19 quasi: have you ever used Archive::Tar before? 13:44:46 Huh? WThF is not a mistake -- is a good abreviation for Wednesday-Thursday-Friday. MTW is Monday-Tuesday-Wednesday. 13:45:18 sandro: he wanted to write WTF 13:45:52 Morbus: nope - I ran away screaming ;) 13:46:45 quasi: joy. 13:47:01 quasi: i tried to bind it into the runtime wrapper and it was all like "nOoO. compression is not available!" 13:47:19 "but I'm not using you ye.." "compression is not available! seig heil!" 13:48:28 quasi, he meant "What The F*ck" instead of "Wednesday Thursday Friday" ? 13:54:50 sandro: he said s/WThF/WTF/ 13:55:55 * sandro shrugs 14:20:17 Seth (~seth@12-230-243-179.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 14:20:54 aaron, did you want to know how to find the host of the machine in python? 14:21:00 urllib.thishost() 14:47:35 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 14:47:39 hey monk. 14:47:45 *FWOOSH* 14:47:48 * redmonk appears 14:47:57 hi morb 14:48:02 hey! wes got a pic of the infamous jillzilla! 14:48:08 another update to the alpha this morning. even better than before. 14:48:12 http://wmf.editthispage.com/pictures/viewer$7556 14:48:13 should have a beta within a few weeks. 14:48:26 oOh. with AccordionGuy too. 14:48:45 yeah 14:49:45 "bring out the accordion guy, or we blog-spam your algorithm!" 15:04:58 Apologies for the instabilities, folks. We're not quite sure what's going on at the moment, but rest assured we're working on it. Thank you for your understanding. 15:05:20 Apologies for the instabilities, folks. We're not quite sure what's going on at the moment, but rest assured we're working on it. Thank you for your understanding. 15:05:32 hehehe 15:05:43 LOL 15:36:05 anyone sick enough here to have tried to build rdfdb on os x? 15:49:22 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack 15:57:30 so what's with swhack these days? it got all quiet and glum? 15:57:45 I just got back here. 15:57:55 but the title doesn't sound good... 15:58:07 heh. yeah, no kidding 15:59:31 apparently sbp has withdrawn and aaron threatened to kill it 15:59:45 hm. 16:00:05 but that's just my unenlightened reading 16:06:23 Seth has quit () 16:06:50 "withdrawn" ? 16:07:15 (probably because I showed up. ;-) 16:07:24 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 16:07:29 sbp is now known as sbp` 16:09:21 following Swartz's first rule of staying away from a channel, one can speak on the said channel if you have some kind of nickname suffix or prefix 16:09:36 sbp` has changed the topic to: A new topic every day! 16:13:01 05:04:20 actually, that sounds really banal 16:13:03 *cough* 16:14:29 bah, screw this, I can't even devoice myself 16:14:31 sbp` is now known as sbp 16:15:10 so... at the risk of opening a can of swhack, what the heck happpened yesterday? I read the logs and I *still* don't get it 16:15:23 about what? 16:16:13 aaronsw and sbp taking off in a huff 16:16:18 seemingly 16:16:30 for reasons i cannot divine from the logs 16:16:34 oh? 16:16:57 well, swhack's'boring nowadays 16:17:14 well, i can't argue with that 16:17:27 I thought it was just me being weird until I confirmed my fear by reading the logs from earlier this year 16:17:30 ah, i see. 16:18:18 01:51:43 So, any predictions for #shwack in 2002, Aaron? 16:18:18 01:52:30 I think there will be a Swhack on every desktop, running Palmersoft Software. 16:18:19 01:53:22 Palmersoft? Sounds like a fabric softener 16:19:01 the only times that the swhack logs make me want to blurt these days are when Morbus decides to go into one 16:20:08 heh, heh. 16:20:10 thanks :) 16:20:12 i've just been busy. 16:20:19 and in a few days, I bet I'll be even more busy :) 16:20:21 decides to go into one what? 16:20:42 right, that's another problem. we've all been rather bust lately, so swhack's not the hip-happening skizz that it once was 16:20:49 one of "them" 16:20:57 hehe 16:21:32 for example:- 16:21:34 23:10:16 wmf and xoot at the same time? 16:21:34 23:10:21 that's really fucked up. 16:21:40 - http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-05-14.txt 16:22:02 Morbus says the kind of things that the rest of us have repressed 16:22:21 but he's been to busy to give voice to our collective id 16:22:24 "help! i' 16:22:30 heheheh. 16:22:34 m being repressed!" 16:22:35 awww. you guys are making me blush ;) 16:22:43 MorbusId 16:22:47 Morbus: The Expresser of the Repressed. 16:22:53 Morbus: The Expresser of the Represser. 16:23:13 ooh! The Standards Manifesto! 16:23:37 wow, I'm in the right place at the right time 16:23:48 oh, so now we even have to have a standard manifesto? how may workinggroups did that take? 16:23:56 @ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-talk/2002MayJun/0006 16:24:07 just one: the Aaron Swartz Collective 16:24:23 A: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-talk/2002MayJun/0006 from sbp 16:24:23 WHATEVER:|The Standards Manifesto 16:24:25 ah 16:24:27 A:|The Standards Manifesto 16:24:43 you will be a-swartz-imated 16:24:43 titled item A 16:25:13 A::Aaron's "fed up" and he's "not going to take it anymore". Watch out city hall, Aaron's in town. 16:25:19 heh, heh 16:25:30 commented item A 16:26:29 and he's drunk, his father's upset, and he's really 19. 16:26:35 lol 16:26:53 The Many Myths of Swartz 16:27:05 sbp: did you see that jrobb mention? 16:27:30 actually, I didn't. I followed the link, but it seems to have been replaced 16:27:53 (http://jrobb.userland.com/2002/05/21.html#a1838 16:27:54 ) 16:28:06 hrm. 16:28:32 he seems to have deleted it. 16:28:46 Newsflash: JRobb Breaks Links, Alienates Google, World 16:28:46 taking after his boss 16:28:49 it'll be great once amphetadesk archives channel items ;) 16:28:55 yeah. 16:35:17 off to lunch. 16:48:09 ooh, Seth's urllib.thishost() is way faster than socket 16:55:00 heh, heh! what excellent timing I have:- 16:55:01 16:06:50 "withdrawn" ? 16:55:01 16:07:15 (probably because I showed up. ;-) 16:55:01 16:07:24 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 16:57:07 heh 16:57:08 true 16:58:19 Gotta run 16:58:37 By, Sean. :-) 16:59:54 s/By/Bye 17:08:25 oooh. aaron's mad. heheh 17:26:30 mad, genius, or both 17:30:06 sbp has quit (Excess Flood) 17:30:59 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:31:29 sbp flooded? 17:32:00 sbp has quit (Excess Flood) 17:32:55 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:32:59 sbp has quit (Excess Flood) 17:33:45 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:33:54 SeanP (sbp@m480-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:34:39 (dp's gone nuts) 17:34:39 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: SeanP!sbp@m480-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com))) 17:34:54 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:35:54 sbp has quit (Excess Flood) 17:36:08 argh 17:36:41 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:37:03 * SeanP emails Aaron 17:37:46 bcc ww-archive? 17:38:08 ? 17:38:20 nevermind 17:41:21 wendy (~wendy@sttldslgw16poolB51.sttl.uswest.net) has joined #swhack 17:46:13 ohAaron (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:46:23 heh, i saw: 17:46:23 17:37:03 * SeanP emails Aaron 17:46:25 17:37:46 bcc ww-archive? 17:46:28 and then i got an email 17:46:45 sbp has quit ("Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.0.3") 17:46:51 try now 17:47:05 I don't know why the logs say it floods, since it isn't giving out any thing 17:47:15 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:47:20 yeah, that seems to happen to tav sometimes 17:47:34 oh, hey wendy 17:47:57 hey aaron. we're working on earl on #er (irc.w3.org) if you are interested. 17:48:13 sbp - help? 17:51:19 aaron - did you find a copy of your "verb/noun" discussion? 17:53:48 O.K., I think I'm getting somewhere now 17:53:50 big connection problems there 17:54:22 hm, i don't think i ever did. do you have one, sbp? 17:54:38 sbp has left #swhack 17:54:38 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:55:07 sbp has left #swhack 17:55:16 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:56:03 ty A 17:56:20 what verb/noun discussion is that? 17:56:25 rdfnsbestpractices 17:56:37 oh, that. it's all in swag-dev, IIRC 17:56:38 err rdfnspractices 17:56:47 that's what i thought, but i can't find it 17:57:02 Tim has said stuff about it too, but it's probably all in SWAD - *sigh* 17:58:30 I thought it had been wrapped up (since almost everyone uses nouns), but the DCMI schema confusion thing has made me ponder it again. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Apr/0064 17:58:40 Gotta run 18:04:36 hm: http://radiocomments.userland.com/comments?u=1026&p=1838 18:05:14 what's this? 18:05:25 comments form for the deleted post 18:05:37 ah. 18:06:15 SeanP has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:06:40 I think it was: "Aaron Schwartz. Read this. Is Aaron 15? If I were his Dad I'd be pissed." 18:07:02 everyone mispells your name. 18:07:09 same with mind. always trying to make me commit suicide. 18:07:17 heh 18:07:34 Don't worry about it Morbius. ;-] 18:07:46 in high school I had two friends: Stephanie Schwartz, and Stephanie Schwarz. got very confusing sometimes. 18:08:03 oooHhh. 18:08:18 * Morbus adds another chip to sandro's abacus. 18:09:38 so mobius, you never told us you were a user system 18:11:17 arrrrr. 18:11:52 dan, daniel, danny, dancie, danbri, danbee, danel, dan bricklin 18:12:04 i know too many dans 18:13:25 ohAaron has quit ("ooh, sunshine") 18:13:54 * sandro thanks his mother, again, who was oooooh so close to naming him daniel. 18:32:21 i think i shall call you dandro. 18:32:26 or saniel. 18:33:01 yeah. my sister calls me sandan. 18:34:08 i shall too! 18:50:38 wendy has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:14:57 Hmm... that noun/verb thing was about the suitabilty of "assertedBy". I guess I still intuitively like verbs :-) 19:15:13 earl:assertor would work 19:16:51 I was thinking about using "Morbus" as an adjective the other day, and decided that "Morbous" would work well, just like mucus/mucous 19:17:06 * Morbus beams. 19:17:58 "I sneezed, and morboused all over myself" 19:21:44 "that swamp water was very morbous" 19:23:32 I'm not sure about the first one: I haven't decided what the verb should be yet. 19:24:25 it's still very entertaining to say it out loud. 19:26:03 morbously could be the adv: "he sneezed morbously, phlegm and mucus flying everywhere" 19:29:15 excellent. 19:33:06 You're getting some nice replies, Aaron.... 19:34:24 pixel has quit ("http://www.perceive.net/") 19:38:28 I'm just surprised to see DanBri using the word "'l33t" 19:40:04 bitsko (~KenMacLeo@66.187.196.132) has joined #swhack 20:10:34 revolutionAaron (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 20:10:41 heh, doesn't lessig look like ted nelson: http://www.journalsonline.com/pix/gallery.cgi/CP_05182002?num=12 20:14:42 redmonk: your rss feed is fuxored. 20:14:47 not well-formed at line 70, column 88, byte 4415 20:15:28 Hmm... I think that's the first pic of Lessig I've seen 20:16:01 really? the traditional photo is here: http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/lessig/ 20:16:39 wow, he looks so different there 20:16:49 yeah 20:22:37 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We've made some progress on new main rotation leaf servers, but we're still pretty close to the edge. If you think you might be able to help by sponsoring a server, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email me at lilo@openprojects.net. 20:23:21 [GlobalNotice] Basic requirements at this point are T3 or better and multihomed; but usage is considerably less, it runs 100-200Kbps average, so about 66 gigabytes/month. Any help you can provide will be gratefully appreciated by the community we serve. Thanks. 20:23:45 Aaron, quick, donate Vorpal! 20:24:14 heh. i don't think i have a t3 20:24:36 the words "T3 or better" are some of the scariest in the English language 20:25:25 "your sever's down" follow closely 20:25:30 "the Simpsons aren't on today" 20:25:42 "Morbus has joined #swhack" 20:25:48 oOooh. 20:25:58 them fighting words, bub, 20:26:02 heh, heh 20:27:47 * quasi thinks the one with "the Simpsons aren't on today" should be moved a bit up in the list - along with "there are no more cold beers in the fridge" ;) 20:28:44 heh, heh. it wasn't an

quasi: have you used cgi.pm before? 20:29:05 * bitsko has, lightly 20:29:46 actually, just found it. 20:29:53 i was looking to import all params into a hash or hash ref. 20:29:53 Morbus: yes - I have dark childhood memories of using it ;) 20:29:59 and it looks like I can do it with Vars() 20:31:33 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.7 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc2/20020510]") 20:33:17 is it me, or does the current RSS blogversation seem almost rational? 20:34:17 quasi: I'll see your "there are no more cold beers in the fridge" and raise you a "prohibition has come into effect" 20:34:59 sbp: hey, stop that - that's too scary ;) 20:35:46 oh wait a minute - that would only be in .us ... ;) 20:36:01 don't worry too much: with speakeasys and blind tigers jerking suds on the side, we'd be O.K. 20:37:35 sbp: since my preferences are for belgian beers, french wine and scottish whiskey, that might be a bit disappointing ;) 20:37:38 what kind of style guide advises one to use polemical instead of polemic? 20:38:02