00:00:07 I can't believe you just did that. that's the most sacreligious behaviour ever conducted on swhack 00:00:18 despicable 00:00:20 # Ross: She plays for both teams. 00:00:20 # it's funny, I look back at logs like these and think, 00:00:20 +"didn't we have a big conversation around that time?" 00:00:20 # do comments not get saved? or not rendered? 00:00:20 # with a few OLMs to guide me 00:00:20 # this has become the all-comment channel 00:00:22 # they don't go in channel logs. 00:00:24 # # should be an on-log character 00:00:38 it's evil-AaronSw: the one with the gaotee 00:00:41 lol 00:00:44 why is it sacreligious? 00:00:50 you dissed the # 00:00:52 * sbp demands a /nick AaronSw` 00:01:04 Ash is now known as AaronSw` 00:01:05 okay 00:01:07 fine sbp 00:01:19 have it your way 00:01:39 * sbp sneaks into Vorpal-room and does a bit of rming 00:01:44 hey! 00:01:54 vorpal-room? 00:01:56 rm-abuse! 00:02:02 * rik writes haiku about engines. 00:02:03 heh, heh 00:02:11 high oil pressure is bad 00:02:11 you're going to blow a gasket 00:02:11 so will your engine 00:02:32 that's a funny looking Haiku 00:02:48 why? 00:02:59 I thought that 5/7/5 was more traditional 00:03:04 AaronSw` is now known as Ash 00:03:05 oh. becaue you count pressure wuth different number of syllables to me. 00:03:17 tansaku_xf has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 00:03:36 * AaronSw tries to pronounce pressure with one syllable 00:03:43 heh, heh 00:03:49 "press'r" 00:03:59 nah, that's two 00:04:03 [high] [oil] [pre] [sure's] [bad] would work 00:04:04 yeah 00:04:05 or maybe i forgot to remove the "is" 00:04:10 right 00:04:14 kenzo75 has left #swhack 00:04:22 plus the second line has 8 syllables 00:04:24 heh. i forgot about Kenzo 00:04:31 unless you say "gonna" 00:04:41 Morbus had him spinning in circles 00:04:48 heh, heh 00:05:04 sbp: where do you get 8 from in the second line? 00:05:08 [you 00:05:10 oops 00:05:20 you counting going s 2? 00:05:26 [you're] [go] [ing] [to] [blow] [a] [gas] [ket] 00:05:32 hm. 00:05:36 that's not how i was counting it. 00:06:11 you must have a quirky syllabalization mechanism... 00:06:17 what language are *you* speaking, rik? 00:06:26 redmonk: english. 00:06:36 AaronSw has quit ("Reconnecting to server - dircproxy 1.0.3") 00:06:37 but my speific variant of it, aparently. 00:06:40 AaronSw (~Snak@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 00:06:49 plus I've been up a very very long time today, so i'm tired. 00:07:14 bam 00:07:27 rik's using Brit-lish 00:07:29 you should have taken a catnap... 00:07:32 it's like Spangish 00:07:33 bum-pssssish! 00:07:41 only for crazy brits 00:07:43 instead of catnip? 00:07:57 * Ash listens to the Pi soundtrack 00:08:04 um... instead of catnap, I guess 00:08:11 * rik nods 00:08:14 * rik yawns. 00:08:20 .nap 00:09:06 * rik drops to floor suddenly and loosely, and begins snoring loudly and felinely 00:09:20 meooooooooooow. miaoooooooooooooow. 00:09:26 lol 00:19:49 HEH 00:19:54 WORM KLEZ 00:20:52 Hmm... "roe deer: small, short-horned deer, Capreolus capreolus, of Britain and Europe and as far east as China and Siberia." - http://www.bartleby.com/65/ro/roedeer.html 00:21:18 sbp: roe is also fish eggs. 00:21:19 * rik nods 00:21:20 no 00:21:22 ovaries. 00:21:23 not the eggs. 00:21:31 do you think that some people are actually robots? 00:21:34 * rik notes he's now not sure. 00:21:34 you know, living among us 00:21:41 oh man 00:21:50 I AM THE PUSHER ROBOT. PUSHING IS THE ANSWER. 00:21:56 I WILL PUSH THE HUMANS TO SAVE THEM FROM 00:21:58 rik: o noe 00:22:01 THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE! 00:22:04 lol! you've read the PUSHER ROBOT thing? 00:22:07 I was actully quoting Tenacious D 00:22:11 sbp: Dude, that's a song! 00:22:13 SONG 00:22:23 sbp: I've seen the music video on HeadFuck on SciFi channel :) 00:22:31 Hmm... 00:22:36 I AM THE SHOVER ROBOT. SHOVING IS THE ANSWER 00:22:38 it was done by the guy that did the AYBABTU thing 00:22:41 DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PUSER ROBOT 00:22:45 yeah, the story is better than the video 00:22:45 SHOVING IS THE ANSWER. 00:22:51 * sbp should listen to more crap music 00:22:55 I WILL SHOVE YOU DOWN THE STAIRS TO PROTECT YOU FROM 00:22:58 THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE! 00:23:43 i'll stop mow. 00:23:46 s/m/n/ 00:24:40 stop mowing the swhack lawn! 00:25:27 * Ash mows 00:25:39 * rik meows. 00:25:51 * sbp moans 00:26:17 or "mowns" to keep the theme, perhaps 00:26:32 heh 00:26:33 right 00:26:41 sleepy time for this little feline. 00:26:55 pleasant mouse chasing dreams, o feline one 00:27:29 and the same to you, for your prey of choice. 00:27:43 * sbp keeps that under his hat 00:27:44 thanks :-) 00:36:56 does anyone recall how many TB of data the great Library of Alexandria had in it? 00:38:43 aha: "The ancient Library of Alexandria (400,000 scrolls) 800 gigabytes" - http://www.archive.org/xterabytes.html 00:38:56 Seth has quit () 00:40:31 not even a TB 00:40:51 indeed. still quite a lot, though :-) 00:40:56 c.0.8TB 01:03:44 MorbusIff (morbus@s86.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:05:18 AaronSw, redmonk, you around? 01:05:42 sun of a bitch. 01:09:43 oierw` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:09:47 yo 01:09:53 MorbusIff 01:10:11 hey monk. any ideas how to open a terminal.app window from the shell? 01:10:14 how much Iff could a MobusIff if a Mobuss Could Iff Iff? 01:10:28 s/Mobuss/Morbuss/ 01:10:31 like, I want to cron a script, but I want terminal.app to match its progress. 01:10:39 hm. 01:10:40 and the only thing I can think of is to .command it and do it that way. 01:10:49 with open -a 01:10:55 and that's not ideal 01:10:56 no clue 01:11:15 write it to a .log and open that with Console 01:11:29 open my.log 01:11:35 hi 01:11:51 yeah 01:11:54 gasp! two commands!? 01:11:55 open my.log works 01:12:11 i want this done in 30 chars or less 01:12:24 hm. 01:12:28 i'm kidding ;) 01:12:35 open my.log < myCommand & 01:12:36 ? 01:12:57 hmm. that could work. 01:13:09 i think that's equivalent to cat myCommand | open my.log 01:13:33 no 01:13:44 it doesn't recognize myCommand 01:13:45 yes 01:14:07 $ cat < ls 01:14:12 ls: no such file or directory 01:15:03 well, there may be a way to do it - i don't know what it is 01:17:06 what is it about some kinds of coding that become compulsions? 01:17:13 i can't stay away from this app 01:17:18 i'm addicted 01:17:29 must... hack.. Sid... obj-c 01:17:49 redmonk has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:18:02 et (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 01:18:04 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 01:18:14 et? 01:18:16 oierw` has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:18:23 I'm thinking about writing Cocoa apps using jython. 01:23:18 * MorbusIff can't believes he's using javascript on his site. And liking it. 01:28:33 he's either from another planet, or a conjunction 01:29:03 yo, oierw? 01:29:29 hey sbp 01:29:33 et? 01:29:34 et has quit ("Changing Servers") 01:29:50 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 01:30:07 yeah: et? 01:30:09 oierw` has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:30:14 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 01:30:39 better now? 01:31:32 better. 01:32:05 * jillzilla gets some water and sits down to hack. 01:32:08 * jillzilla is Energized. 01:32:18 wb Jill 01:32:32 anyone know javascript? 01:32:44 * sbp just read a bit of The Faerie Queene, and is now moving onto other stuff 01:33:35 JABBASCRIPT 01:33:41 ENARGIZED 01:33:48 * AaronSw works on an htmldiff 01:33:50 I'm waiting for this installer to start up 01:33:53 dum de dumm 01:33:57 * Ash twiddles thumbs 01:34:06 I'm in a session on extensions to PageRank 01:34:50 The Faerie Queene...I haven't read any of that. 01:35:01 * Ash reads this "Free as in Freedom" book thing 01:35:33 good heavens. 01:35:40 Spenser writes like Ash. 01:35:49 Mind if I paste? 01:35:51 lol! 01:36:02 TO 01:36:02 THE MOST HIGH, 01:36:02 MIGHTIE 01:36:02 and 01:36:02 MAGNIFICENT 01:36:03 EMPRESSE RENOVV- 01:36:05 MED FOR PIETIE, VER- 01:36:07 TVE, AND ALL GRATIOVS 01:36:09 GOVERNMENT ELIZABETH BY 01:36:11 THE GRACE OF GOD QVEENE 01:36:13 OF ENGLAND FRAVNCE AND 01:36:15 IRELAND AND OF VIRGI- 01:36:17 NIA, DEFENDOVR OF THE 01:36:19 FAITH, &. HER MOST 01:36:21 HVMBLE SERVANT 01:36:23 EDMVND SPENSER 01:36:25 DOTH IN ALL HV- 01:36:27 MILITIE DEDI- 01:36:29 CATE, PRE- 01:36:31 SENT 01:36:33 AND CONSECRATE THESE 01:36:35 HIS LABOVRS TO LIVE 01:36:39 VVITH THE ETERNI- 01:36:41 TIE OF HER 01:36:43 FAME. 01:36:45 done 01:36:56 "i have to skip some math because it's too complex" 01:37:06 We like you anyway, Aaron. 01:37:10 well, that's just the dedication 01:37:29 I think I know who Ash was in a previous life. 01:37:38 all dedications should be in TEH ASH ENLISGH 01:37:51 indeed! 01:38:11 I met a woman in the locker room who it turns out will be my next-door neighbor as of next week. 01:38:14 What fun! 01:38:29 indeed 01:38:30 lol 01:38:45 I didn't say that, the PageRank dude did. 01:39:04 I can write quite coherently, thank you very much.:P 01:39:07 He's doing one based on Markov chains. 01:39:08 AaronSw: I know. Joke. 01:39:14 it's jeffk english, not AHS 01:39:33 jeffk is the master of this stuff, not me. 01:39:46 Ash's proof of P! "I can write quite coherently, thank you very much.:P" 01:39:56 I AM NOT BEING OWNER OF TUBCAT, I AM JSUT A FAN!!1 01:41:36 Ash has changed the topic to: welcome the new swhack mascot: http://www.tubcat.com/ 01:42:11 AaronSw has changed the topic to: KILL ASH 01:43:05 anyone around for some perl help? 01:43:16 what do chomp and expand do? 01:43:39 chomp removes the last char of a string if it is a newline. 01:43:56 weird. this slide has a bit of text that looks like it's in runic 01:44:02 if $/ (or whatever) is set as such 01:44:55 But people don't usually resent the $OHJUSTBUGGERME variables for example code. 01:45:05 use FoulEnglish; 01:46:02 How do I convert an array of lines into an array of words? 01:46:25 undef @array; 01:46:26 s/resent/reset/ 01:46:26 *g* 01:46:56 Well, I would iterate over the array and run split, but I don't think like a perl weenie. 01:47:03 AaronSw: Just iterate through the array and split it 01:47:16 argh. stop doing that, guys 01:47:24 sbp: show us the way. 01:47:30 sbp: Stop doing what? 01:47:42 I haven't hacked perl in a while, so I'm rusty. 01:47:43 Argh, this stuff in my nostrils smells evil. 01:47:57 I was just going to say "just go through the array and keep splitting and pushing onto some other array" 01:48:00 I should really start again. Perl is so fun. 01:48:01 sbp: I've started saying "argh" all the time and I blame you. 01:48:12 argh, stop saying "argh"! 01:48:13 jillzilla: I told you it was a bad idea to get your nosehair scented 01:48:15 argh 01:48:17 lol 01:48:25 you could join the lines together, then split 01:48:26 Ash: and the curling iron burned a few hairs. Nasty. 01:48:33 ouch 01:48:34 Heh. I was going to suggest that too, deltab. :-) 01:48:47 or if it's from a file, read the file in one go 01:48:53 or you could write a state machine to look up words in the dictionary 01:49:01 heh 01:49:09 Read it into one string, then split the string. 01:49:10 if they match, keep them 01:49:14 otherswise throw them out 01:49:17 right 01:49:24 jillzilla: Hey, thanks for explaining state machines to me the other day 01:49:25 you rule 01:49:27 hehe 01:49:29 would i do that buy @$newstring = split($oldstring) 01:49:33 Oh, you got that! COOL! 01:49:42 * jillzilla does the spontaneous-teaching dance. 01:49:48 Heh, this guy says Teh Lunix 01:49:59 Ash sure does get about 01:50:00 now when Erik Naggum says "Don't use regex, dumbass.. write a state machine and look for the character you want" 01:50:02 i get it 01:50:03 hehe 01:50:07 AaronSw: Awesome! 01:50:11 AaronSw: no, it's 'by' - I think all the dollar signs are confusing you 01:50:13 Does this guy work at google? 01:50:25 deltab, :-) 01:50:31 Ash, don't think so. 01:50:38 AaronSw: D'oh :-( 01:50:39 hehe 01:50:47 That was so weird. For those who weren't listening in on Ash's and my privmsg the other night, I had to hack something together quickly and I did it as a quick and dirty state machine in python. 01:50:51 Now, that's no big deal. 01:51:00 But the thing ran on the first try. 01:51:06 I was scared, I tell you, scared! 01:51:18 I don't think I even had a syntax error. 01:51:18 * Ash pastes the log 01:51:20 *g* 01:51:46 I wonder what I did with that code. 01:51:50 Hmm. 01:52:00 jillzilla: I have a copy of it. 01:52:03 hmm, I've had quite a few python programs work first time 01:52:11 deltab: You're a better man than I. 01:52:32 Hehehehe. I remember a geek quiz that had two questions of about 200: 01:52:33 um 01:52:50 31. Have you ever written a program that worked the first time? 01:52:55 32. did it work the second time? 01:53:01 hehe 01:53:02 heh 01:53:07 the cymbal crashing noise that zenworks makes when the installer starts is disturbing 01:53:07 I remember answering yes and no, of course. :-) 01:53:17 print "Hello world!" 01:53:25 of course my programs tend to be very short 01:53:42 python program to do nothing: "" 01:54:03 I tend to test every six lines or so, so the fact that I wrote a 30-ish line state machine without testing shows how exhausted I was. 01:54:28 * jillzilla makes a stack of the CDs she has ripped so she can take them home. 01:54:47 (Java program to do nothing, for comparison: "public class NoTest { public static void main(String[] args){} }") 01:54:55 jillzilla, welcome to the world of mp3s 01:54:56 hehe 01:54:57 (via. http://www.twistedmatrix.com/users/glyph/rant/python-vs-java.html) 01:54:59 sbp: take that filth elsewhere! 01:55:06 sorry... 01:55:06 I do that at practically every new job 01:55:13 bring in a huge stack of CD's and rip them all again 01:55:22 since dumping them to cd is too time consuming 01:55:23 rippity rip rip rip 01:55:47 RIP RIP RIPPITY DOO! 01:56:03 Dippity dippity hey, a rip for me today. CDs to work I bring, and copy as I sing 01:56:19 sbp reminded me of Tom Bombadil just then. 01:57:00 I remind you of a Dutch doll? thanks 01:57:01 so.. if you hear about a massacre at novell down in provo tomorrow.. it uh, wasn't me 01:57:08 sbp: ? 01:57:22 i had nothing to do with killing the entire zenworks product team 01:57:26 honest 01:57:29 glad to hear it, Ash. 01:57:35 jillzilla: Yes, I'm innocent. 01:57:41 "Tom Bombadil was originally a Dutch doll belonging to one of Tolkien's children" - http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html 01:57:43 "He seemed so quiet." 01:58:08 Oh, bugger the doll. You know what I'm talking about, you misinterpreting misanthrope! 01:58:14 And I won't be killing people in the main area in a smiley face pattern 01:58:20 just so you know 01:58:29 Good, Ash, good. 01:58:30 hey, don't you go calling me no misanthrope, you harlot of misplaced insults! 01:58:47 I heard a funny thing from someone that was laid off from Novell a little while back 01:58:47 Mine alliterated. 01:58:59 mine was archaic 01:59:01 apparently their relatively-new great big tall building is *sinking* 01:59:13 ahahaha 01:59:24 well, at the end. well, just one word. well, no, you win 01:59:52 You're not reminding me at all of Tom Bombadil now, for what it's worth. 02:00:01 hehe 02:00:30 why does 02:00:31 my $arrayRef = shift; 02:00:31 @$arrayRef = split($arrayRef); 02:00:33 * sbp infers Tom Bombadil != An Ass 02:00:33 get me 02:00:38 Use of uninitialized value in split at ./htmldiff.pl line 14. 02:00:50 * jillzilla tries to imagine Tom Bombadil saying "harlot". Oh, this is at koan levels of mental twistedness. 02:01:10 which line is 14? 02:01:30 is $arrayRef a line, or.. ? 02:01:39 line 14 is the one with split 02:01:47 well, in one of it's more obsoltete senses, it might fit 02:01:49 what is $arrayRef? 02:01:51 print $arrayRef right before that and see what split is getting handed 02:01:55 sbp: Oh, yes, good point. 02:02:29 This is so swhackian. A conversation about perl syntax interwoven with a conversation about archaic word usages. 02:03:13 swhackish, please 02:03:17 $arrayref seems blank 02:03:22 That might explain it. 02:03:24 er, capitalized right 02:03:42 when you run perl interactively, can you split a blank thingie? 02:03:52 s/thingie/scalar/ 02:03:58 jillzilla: Perl isn't run interactively 02:04:04 it can be. The debugger. 02:04:07 oh. 02:04:09 Well yeah. 02:04:16 But it's not like Python, is what I meant. 02:04:17 :) 02:04:27 Oh, it is SO not like Python. :-) 02:04:35 oops. it's an array 02:04:40 aHA! 02:04:49 Oh, I should have known. From shift. 02:04:52 duh. 02:05:10 shift deals with, um, @ARGV, right? 02:05:24 I don't know. i'm not a perl programmer 02:05:25 by default, yeah 02:05:39 Yeah, and he ran it in the default way. So I should have known. 02:05:57 AaronSw: don't split arrays, dude. :-) 02:06:11 i figured that out... ;-) 02:06:17 how do i convert an array to a string? 02:06:36 join? 02:06:40 if that's what you want to do. 02:06:50 Why do you want to convert @ARGV to a string? 02:06:53 hm, join returns an empty string 02:07:00 join? 02:07:02 for the record:- 02:07:04 how do i convert an array to a string? 02:07:06 join? 02:07:06 do I suck? 02:07:08 join? 02:07:12 AaronSw, you need docs? 02:07:16 http://166.70.121.25/perlcd/index.htm 02:07:18 there you go buddy. 02:07:22 * jillzilla kicks Ash. 02:07:23 heh 02:07:36 Why do you want to convert @ARGV to a string? 02:07:42 * Ash launches mothra at jillzilla 02:07:47 WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? 02:08:00 * jillzilla roars and attacks Mothra with her fiery breath. 02:08:07 (see, I really didn't brush my teeth!) 02:08:08 i want to convert this thing into a an array of words 02:08:14 that url has Learning Perl, Programming Perl, Advanced Perl Programming, and the Perl Cookbook 02:08:16 what is the thing? 02:08:36 if it's @ARGV, it's already an array of words...but maybe not the words you want. 02:08:46 join is string first then array, BTW 02:08:54 it's @a in: 02:08:54 open FH, $ARGV[0]; 02:08:54 @a = ; 02:08:55 close FH; 02:08:58 * jillzilla wants it known that she hasn't programmed in perl in a million and six years, and probably is fucking up left and right. 02:09:02 I thought asw was reading from a file 02:09:07 MorbusIff has quit (No route to host) 02:09:17 yeah 02:09:20 lines from a file baby 02:09:45 Is @a an array of strings, each ending in newline? 02:10:02 I guess. 02:10:17 AaronSw: Only you can run prints on your code. :-) 02:10:32 print just returns ARRAY(0x0x09d8d( 02:10:46 iterate over the array and print? 02:10:49 print join(' ', @a); 02:10:55 I like sbp's idea better. 02:10:57 AaronSw, print the array, not the array reference 02:11:06 aha 02:12:18 so yes, it is 02:13:03 So you can either iterate over the array, split each string, and append the resulting array to your results array... 02:13:15 Or you can join the array into one big string and then split that puppy. 02:13:21 Or a million other ways. 02:13:36 aw... how could you split a puppy? it's like the bunn thing in South Park's Great Expectations 02:13:50 perl code? 02:15:02 print split(' ', join(' ', @a)); 02:15:27 what's the first arg of split and join? He needs to handle newlines as well as spaces. 02:15:32 probably. 02:15:39 http://166.70.121.25/perlcd/prog/ch03_078.htm#PERL2-CMD-JOIN 02:15:47 join EXPR, LIST 02:15:48 ugh, silly newlines 02:16:06 can't you chomp for each line in a file being read? 02:16:48 Ooh, I think it worked. 02:17:30 first arg of split is a regex 02:17:45 split /\w*/, $a; 02:17:52 that's what I was looking for. 02:18:25 does the * work? Does that split when there is no whitespace? 02:18:50 ah, um 02:19:06 * jillzilla tests. 02:21:03 don't you mean \W? 02:21:06 wmf (~wmf@cs666868-69.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 02:21:09 swhack! 02:21:15 * Ash swhacks wmf 02:21:25 * wmf sees the topic and grabs a pitchfork 02:21:34 Oh, crap 02:21:37 Ash has changed the topic to: KILL WMF 02:21:38 I meant \s 02:21:39 $ perl -e 'print split(/\W+/, "p q r")' 02:21:40 pqr 02:21:40 there that's better 02:21:46 AaronSw: what's up with lunch at google 02:22:05 i'm having lunch at google 02:22:07 ah 02:22:12 it rocks 02:22:23 when? 02:22:28 Monday 02:22:28 yeah, you already mentioned that. why? 02:22:44 cool 02:22:49 why am i going or why are they having me? 02:23:00 the latter is more interesting 02:24:28 becuase of the Google Weblog 02:24:38 ah, I forgot about that 02:25:15 google weblog? 02:25:19 (it has to be +, anyway) 02:25:24 .google google weblog 02:25:25 google.blogspace.com 02:25:27 (that's what I thought) 02:25:42 ah, jillzillium has appeared 02:26:03 I've been here. 02:26:07 * jillzilla waves. 02:26:12 oh man, it's times like these that I wish Morbus was here... 02:27:09 jillzilla: want to come hang out with some #infoAnarchists, #p2p-hackers, and #swhackers? 02:27:19 scary. when and where? 02:27:24 whenever 02:27:39 * jillzilla listens for "where". 02:30:19 wmf: sure, assuming the time and place are good. 02:31:17 .time bst 02:31:26 eek. 02:31:31 3:31 AM 02:31:41 eek? 02:31:45 no xena. 02:31:53 xena is here, she's just sick 02:31:57 poor xena. 02:32:04 she had it coming 02:32:18 Are you using americanisms, or is "sick" the usual term where you are? 02:32:25 Or is xena actually about to vomit? 02:32:31 wmf has changed the topic to: KILL XENA! 02:32:31 Unusual behavior for a bot... 02:32:49 Poor sbp. I analyze everything he says. 02:32:50 xena's been spewing random weird stuff lately 02:32:59 dear me. sounds like Ash. 02:33:11 coughing up grizzle and ash 02:33:24 maybe whoever fixes xena could fix ash as well. 02:33:39 tav'll give her some lovin' 02:33:52 sick ~= lame 02:33:55 FWIW 02:34:13 tav can heal the lame. all hail tav. 02:34:30 ah, mail from Arjun Ray 02:34:44 always worth reading, if only for shock value 02:35:25 unfortunately it's not random 02:35:59 * jillzilla goes to grab some dinner. 02:39:35 Ooh, ndiff is cool 02:40:52 * sbp reads http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/software/ndiff/ 02:41:03 what on Earth are you doing over there? 02:43:47 lol, wmf 02:44:03 no, the python ndiff 02:45:37 * Ash goes home 02:45:44 go home! go home! 02:46:13 Ash has gone home; we can talk about him now 02:47:33 * sbp was harking back to Tracey Ullman there, BTW, for the terminally curious 02:49:40 that Ash character sure is shady. and where did he come from, anyway? #infoanarchy? that harldy lends creedance to his credibility. The whole thing is rather dodgy and inauspicious 02:49:51 heh 02:50:26 it's such a shame that we don't get the TU Show over here any more... 02:50:38 ...having said that, it's probably on some obscure channel that we don't get 02:52:20 * sbp does some casual searching for Python ndiff 02:53:10 sbp: difflib has an ndiff function 02:53:33 ah, thanks! 02:53:51 Tools/scripts/ndiff.py is a command-line front-end to this function. 02:54:02 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:54:16 it's a Sw-arm! 02:54:18 Hello... 02:54:21 heh, heh 02:54:24 Hi there Ben 02:54:27 hi 02:55:00 hmm AaronSw you there? 02:55:28 he has been here recently, but his appearances have been sporadic and limited 02:55:59 I think he's working on some secret plan to take over the world. I'm still working on how that involves ndiff... 02:56:00 he was supposed to be at "a dinner" 02:56:09 I need help with debian bittorent 02:56:52 you might try #bittorrent or #infoanarchy since bram is on 02:57:16 hey, there you go. service with a smile :-) 02:58:00 hmm whatever, seems that noah is being dragged away from his computer anyway 03:06:40 hi 03:08:40 ok, nobody better announce a tue dinner that they already planned 03:10:50 Oh, but I'm goin... ;-) 03:10:53 .dtrt html:add 03:10:54 html:add: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/ 03:11:21 ah, ins 03:11:30 I'm sure I'll see enough of you anyway 03:12:12 shit, out of swap space 03:17:15 wmf: are you coming to EF? 03:17:28 wmf is now known as wmf-etcon 03:17:44 If so, you should come to dinner with us on Monday. 03:17:57 I am planning to do that 03:18:01 cool. 03:18:40 * sbp waves 03:18:43 God, we're going to mob that restaurant. 03:18:45 sbp 03:18:47 ! 03:18:52 I just need to find a ride 03:19:09 If you don't have one, the light rail goes directly from the convention center to downtown mountain view. 03:19:17 But I'm sure you'll find one. 03:19:37 etcon isn't at any convention center 03:19:39 If nobody has cars, I...well, won't be able to shuttle everyone in one trip. 03:19:52 Wait...I thought it was at the Santa Clara convention center. 03:20:02 it's at a hotel 03:20:07 URI? 03:20:19 conferences.oreilly.com 03:20:51 When did they change that? 03:20:54 Weird. 03:22:05 I think drue is bringing the SF people 03:23:07 The light rail still goes right by there. But carpooling is fine too. 03:23:20 Gotta run 03:23:25 later, sbp. 03:23:25 ah, that's good to know about the light rail 03:23:41 Slow but simple access to Mountain View and San Jose. 03:23:50 And caltrain. 03:24:32 living and working in the suburbs, I'm not used to mass transit 03:25:00 Selected parts of the peninsula are reasonable by transit. Others are dreadful. 03:25:57 I think i finally got this program to work, but it looks like it's time to go... 03:26:13 Old Ironsides is the station. 03:26:55 sbp, how's the bot coming? 03:27:00 i need it tomorrow, y'know 03:27:22 he just ran. 03:27:29 Oh, oops. 03:27:46 I better go too. 03:27:53 GR: luau-thingy 03:28:38 tansaku_xf (~sam@mtl10gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 03:43:22 is Aaron still there? 03:43:29 Hmph. anyway, the bot's basically done 03:44:34 well, I just have to make it a bit more chump-ish 03:45:04 AaronSw went to a "luau-thingy" 04:07:31 @ http://google.blogspace.com/ 04:07:41 A:|Google Weblog 04:08:09 A: http://google.blogspace.com/ from sbp 04:08:26 titled item A 04:08:38 A::"The latest news on everyone's favorite search engine." 04:08:55 commented item A 04:31:58 * sbp completes chumpette 04:32:10 How does he look? 04:32:51 er... well, I'll bring him/her in here anyway, so that Aaron will have a copy of the test query on record (it'll save me emailing it) 04:33:03 goood evening 04:33:06 chumpette (~chumpette@m410-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 04:33:14 chumpette, dc:title "Google Weblog"; dc:creator "Aaron Swartz" . 04:33:14 added 2 triples 04:33:21 chumpette, rdfs:seeAlso . dc:title "Google" . 04:33:22 added 2 triples 04:33:28 chumpette, { ?thing dc:title ?title; log:uri ?uri; dc:creator ?creator . ("
" ?title ", by " ?creator "
") string:concat ?result } => { "result" log:outputString ?result } ? 04:33:28 blogged "result" 04:33:31 * Ash yawns 04:33:34 chumpette, { ?thing dc:title "Google Weblog"; rdfs:seeAlso ?also . ?also log:uri ?uri; dc:title ?title . ("
related: " ?title "
") string:concat ?result } => { "result b" log:outputString ?result } ? 04:33:36 blogged "result b" 04:33:45 ack 04:33:50 now it's blogged that locally to a file 04:33:55 * Ash kicks sbp 04:34:04 excuse me? 04:34:34 Hmm... perhaps we should use is rdfs:seeAlso of on that second entry... 04:34:53 having a laptop rules 04:34:54 hehe 04:34:57 dc:title "Google"; is rdfs:seeAlso of . 04:35:02 chumpette has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:35:11 anyway, that's done. now I've just got to ship it off... 04:39:44 now bad: about 21KB tar'd and gz'd 04:44:19 * sbp sends it off 04:46:15 wel, I'm pleased with that. thanks everybody 04:46:17 Gotta run 05:10:58 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-102-26.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 05:11:26 hello 05:11:28 anyone awake? 05:17:06 redmonk has quit ("Snak 4.8.3 - http://www.snak.com") 05:22:11 tansaku_xf has quit (Connection timed out) 05:31:16 hey redmonk 05:31:43 oh, he left 05:32:03 wmf-etcon has quit ("[BX] Nice shoes, wanna fuck?") 05:37:22 tansaku_xf (~sam@mtl10gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 06:18:43 s|a (~synack@210-86-110-158.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #swhack 06:55:41 quasi (~toftum@tigerdyr.wheel.dk) has joined #swhack 07:18:38 tansaku_xf has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 07:27:47 kenzo7 (kenzo@ALagny-101-1-3-220.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #swhack 08:09:08 jillium has quit ("reboot for sleep") 10:05:23 tansaku_xf (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 10:05:25 kenzo7 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:23:12 BenSw has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:43:49 tansaku_xf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:44:11 tansaku_xf (~sam@h134-213.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 11:36:19 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 11:37:31 hi all (once again, I'm sure you're all asleep.) 11:40:54 nope 11:41:08 wow. 11:41:28 I'm usually the only one awake when I get here (and sometimes, I'm net even awake.) 11:41:40 brb. need soem coffee. 11:41:46 * rik me0ws. 11:41:55 .time CEST 11:42:57 hmmm - Fri May 10 13:42:51 CEST 2002 11:43:16 I should be awake - at least in theory ;) 11:45:00 where are you located? 11:45:08 .dk 11:45:36 cool. so what do you do for a living? 11:45:52 unix admin 11:46:10 seems to be a theme here. heheh 11:46:59 yeah - a horrible thing to be doing ;) 11:47:23 hehe. 11:47:57 not too bad now though - 2 weeks vacation in Costa Del Backyard helps a bit ;) 11:48:18 Costa Del Backyard? 11:48:25 home 11:48:37 hehe. that's what I was thinking =) 11:48:58 Just had to make sure. there are some weird named places out there. 11:49:06 :) 11:49:26 so are the people in denmark tea or coffee drinkers? 11:50:07 coffee mostly 11:50:38 that's good. 11:51:12 and for the tea nobody does weird stuff like the brits ;) 11:52:13 they're a bunch of weirdos over there. 11:52:21 * rik notes he doesn't like tea. 11:52:33 * quasi knows that coffee is unhealty - currently contemplating s/coffee/beer/ ;) 11:52:54 haha 11:53:06 rik: tea can be made drinkable - just add enough booze ;) 11:53:12 ewwww. 11:53:54 I drink tea after a few months of coffee. otherwise, my coffee drinking tends to escalate to drinking 5 or 6 cups of cofee a day. 11:54:04 tea + bourbon = gooooood. 11:54:38 (the bourbon pretty much gets rid of any tea flavor, so it's more like drinking a nightcap. 11:54:40 hehe 11:54:53 pixel: I'm down to 1 cup of coffee a day at work - that used to be like 5 or 6 11:55:43 tea and Stroh Rum (the 80% version) is quite good too ;) 11:55:45 good for you. I started with my tea routine yesterday, because I was up to 5 coffees a day. I'll do the tea awhile, and then back to 1 coffee a day. weems to moderate me well. 11:56:16 I'll have to try tea+rum! (they frown upon doing things like that here at work, unfortunately.) 11:57:07 pixel: to be honest it is probably one coffee and 3 or 4 tea /day 11:57:36 that seems to work well for not driking too much coffee 11:58:08 yup. 11:58:25 too much coffee makes my kidneys hurt too. 11:59:55 with the coffee we have at work it is more like the old ulcer acting up with too much of it ;) 12:00:25 hehe. I actually found some of the sticks and branches from the coffee tree in our coffee a few times. 12:03:18 well, ours is a fairly decent coffee, but the filter is lousy, so that you end up with lots of coffee grounds in the cup 12:04:05 ick. that's even worse. 12:04:35 a bit like having espresso all day ;) 12:08:05 s|a has quit ("[x]chat") 12:11:15 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 12:50:59 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 12:51:12 MorbusIff (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 12:52:10 MorbusIff is now known as Morbus 12:59:23 lo morb 13:00:43 yup, yup. 13:00:51 just finished up with O last night. 13:00:54 moving on to P, and then S. 13:00:57 (sound tracks) 13:01:06 you're gonna need to replenish me with new stuff in a few weeks ;) 13:01:09 hehe cool. 13:01:27 I'll be cleaning out the crap I don't lsiten to, and filling it up with new 13:01:38 good, good. 13:01:44 do the S's first. 13:01:53 S's through Z. 13:01:59 then I won't start dling crap you delete '_) 13:03:40 hehe 13:07:36 Morbus: what's the difference between a bad sniper and a constipated owl? 13:07:58 one can shoot but can't hit... 13:08:20 hehehehe 13:09:08 oh man. 13:18:09 i don't understand this. 13:18:21 i unsubscribed from another mailing list, and now I have 200+ more mails. 13:18:26 i'm back up to 800 a day. 13:18:31 * Morbus scratches head. 13:20:58 * rik scratches Morbus's head. 13:21:32 * pixel just scratches alot of things. 13:21:37 kenzo75 (kenzo@ALagny-101-1-3-220.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #swhack 13:22:34 glutton! gluuUTtton! 13:27:39 [[[ 13:27:41 [09:27] Hi 13:27:41 [09:27] vrooOOM! 13:27:41 [09:28] got a bus error with apache & ssl got a tip ? 13:27:41 [09:28] :) 13:27:41 [09:28] get a cab 13:27:42 ]]] 13:28:07 +[[[ 13:28:09 [09:28] it's an idea 13:28:09 [09:28] oh. perhaps 3DES instead, then? 13:28:10 ]]]+ 13:33:58 "Lord Satan": Python 1.6 and later compatibility 13:34:05 - from http://edna.sourceforge.net/ 14:29:44 MORBAS 14:29:53 hey ash. 14:29:58 How are you doing this morning? 14:30:05 eh. 14:30:09 Yeah, me too. 14:30:12 * Ash tries to wake up 14:30:30 * Ash listens to better than ezra 14:37:05 it looks like it's going to rain today 14:52:01 eric: just went through all the rest of your colleciton. i only have four more cds to leech. yay! 14:52:52 wow. only 4? 14:52:57 yup. 14:53:16 your two crystal methods, plastikman, and the rhpshow. 14:53:53 woah, crystal method 14:53:53 woo 14:55:20 the plastikman is awesome. I actually got that CD from Ritchie Hawkins (plastikman himself) 14:55:40 yeah? cool. i have artifaks for real. 14:55:54 does anybody besides me like Man Or Astro Man? 14:55:55 heh 14:56:02 I did an animation for one of his raves in michigan (I think it was), and he gave me a CD for my time. hehe 15:14:23 * sbp waves 15:16:01 sbp has changed the topic to: Where sysadmins come to cry 15:16:39 sigh. i love amazon 15:16:49 the recommendation syustem makes my heart swoon 15:17:32 * Ash cries! 15:17:36 hehe 15:17:38 hey sbp! 15:17:43 * Ash hands SBP a pound sign 15:19:00 why, thank you! 15:19:05 I presume you mean £ 15:19:26 no 15:19:35 the octawhatever 15:20:16 octothorpe 15:20:20 yeah. 15:20:23 I handed you one of those. 15:20:27 ;-) 15:20:34 for the logs: no; # 15:20:38 How's jolly old england this morning? 15:20:43 it's grey 15:20:53 well, this part of it, anyway 15:22:08 * sbp is just going through deleting most of his email 15:22:14 * Morbus is entering all his cds into amazon's recommendation system 15:23:21 heh 15:23:32 rik: i'm tellin', it works. 15:23:34 rik! 15:23:38 me! 15:23:41 * rik backflips. 15:23:42 you! 15:23:45 sbp! 15:23:51 .backflip a while ago 15:23:52 * sbp backflips 15:23:56 really? 15:23:58 oh. 15:24:04 heh 15:24:16 * sbp decides to do as Morbus 15:24:27 sbp: i'm tellin ya, i've entered books, dvds, and music. 15:24:29 cool: http://www.google.com/logos/dali.gif 15:24:32 * rik is composing e-mail to admins of a box he hs root on for security reasons. 15:24:36 and the recommendation gets better the more you add. 15:24:39 i'm very happy with it. 15:24:48 i may not buy from amazon, but the recommendations are dead on. 15:25:02 good personal shopper 15:25:06 mysql> select user.Host,user.User,user.Password,db from user left join db on user.User=db.User where Password=''; 15:25:07 lol 15:25:08 [snip] 15:25:15 45 rows in set (0.00 sec) 15:25:23 45 ROWS! 15:25:30 * rik boggles. 15:25:34 yahtzee! 15:25:43 * rik notes it's every account on the MySQL database that he didn't setup. 15:36:33 Heh, it suggested: Java in a Nutshell 15:36:40 heh, heh. 15:36:40 I don't think so 15:36:47 i think it suggested that to me too once ;) 15:36:56 heh. I guess I need to add a few more items... 15:37:05 well, be sure to say you're not interested. 15:37:22 once you add a few items, you can go through 120 recommendations and say that you're not interested in some of them. 15:37:25 and it'll tweak it as you go. 15:38:02 cool 15:38:10 i'm on N right now. 15:38:17 i can't wait to see what they recommedn after I put all the rest in ;) 15:40:05 ah, it's bringing up others that I own already 15:40:10 :) 15:41:24 ugh, it's bringing up Java book after Java book after Java book 15:41:28 NOT INTERESTED! 15:41:30 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-102-26.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 15:41:33 Hi all. Services is now set up on a temporary host. It will probably split and rejoin from time to time. We need a high-reliability hidden server running FreeBSD to provide a new venue for it. If you think you might be able to sponsor such a server, please /msg lilo or email lilo@penprojects.net. Thanks! 15:41:47 penprojects? 15:41:50 lol! 15:41:58 perhaps he's using the o from his nickname 15:42:00 hehehe. 15:42:20 http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-php/2001-09/msg00024.php 15:42:21 oop. 15:42:24 yo yo yo 15:42:31 morning all 15:42:35 -> *lilo* penprojects.net? man. i DO need a better pen 15:42:35 oops, that email address was lilo@openprojects ..... apologies for the typo 15:42:36 heh. 15:42:41 hehe 15:42:45 heh, I did it too 15:42:48 -> *lilo* um... penprojects? 15:42:50 yeaaaah 15:42:54 erm, lilo@openprojects.net .... maybe I should go back to bed and try getting up one more time :) 15:42:59 "Who is the channel that can taunt you like no one can?" 15:43:08 "SWHACK!" 15:43:11 Sssssssshwhack! 15:43:11 "Yeah Baby" 15:43:16 yeaaahh :) 15:43:50 "And who is the channel that has Aaron and a frying pan?" 15:43:55 "SWHACK!" 15:43:59 Hmm... Java and XML... Not interested! 15:44:05 Fry Pan of Intellect! 15:44:15 redmonk: that's in my bio on ORA 15:44:20 heh, upside the head with the greatest of love, or whatever 15:44:25 yup :) 15:44:44 This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. These messages contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. To turn them off, turn off user mode 'w'. On most clients: '/mode -w'. Thanks. 15:45:29 ah, WOPN 15:46:13 amazon needs an "unpopular music" choice in the search box. 15:49:16 all done. 15:51:25 lol 15:52:18 wha? 15:52:26 ack. 15:52:30 they recommend pink. 15:52:31 weirdos. 15:52:45 ooOh. new music. MMm> 15:53:29 Morbus: their recommendation service is being subverted by the music industry 15:53:34 maybe they have pay-for-placement now 15:53:35 heh, heh. 15:53:39 everyone gets recommended "pink" 15:53:43 heheheh. 15:53:48 thats the only one that's been off so far 15:53:54 ooh. and moulin rouge. that's off too. 15:54:32 what I found amusing was that those stupid music videos for Moulin Rouge were racier than the entire movie 15:54:43 and i can't stand whats-her-name that was in those vidoes 15:54:45 DIE 15:54:45 mmMM. music video. 15:54:58 .gnutella moulin rouge video 15:55:07 .gnutella cheese fries 15:55:17 I think there is a memory leak in the latest winamp. 15:55:23 .gnutella on rye 15:55:28 oh, pixel? 15:55:35 it's taking up 43MB of physical memory, and 75MB of virtual. 15:55:44 streaming or just local? 15:55:54 everytime it goes to a new song, the usage goes up, and never decreases. 15:55:58 local. 15:56:06 hmm. i don't have any local files on this box. 15:56:19 it goes up by like 150k per song. 15:56:56 actually about 50k. 15:57:27 hmm. I closed the minibrowser, and now it's taking up 51MB of physical and 75 virtual. 15:57:40 hehehe. 15:58:00 IF YOU DONT LKOO AT ORU ADS, WE HAXOR JOO!@ 15:58:06 uh, ok. 15:58:45 * Morbus fiddles with his wishlist. 15:58:57 mine doesn't seem to get smaller. 15:59:03 i'm removing all the ps2 games. 15:59:05 no time to play em. 15:59:16 oh, they tweaked the display of it. 15:59:17 by that logic, I should remove everything in my wishlist. 15:59:21 heheh. 15:59:38 well, when i think of games, or knowledge/music, I always go to knowledge music. 15:59:44 knowledge, of course, but music is passive, unlike games. 15:59:50 that's my reasoning. 15:59:56 Netscape has become the default browse4r, and no matter what I do, I can't make IE the default. hmph. 16:01:58 there are 404 items in my wishlist. 16:02:11 I wonder if I have the largest wishlist. 16:02:27 and if not, who is the loser that does? 16:03:21 heh, "you've been los3d by pixel" 16:03:54 or perhaps "los3r3d 16:03:57 end quote" 16:04:25 hehe 16:05:25 music isn't passive 16:05:28 * Ash kicks Morbus 16:05:56 it requires much less involvement and thought than say a book or video game. 16:06:54 yeah, pixel got what i meant. 16:06:57 not necessarily 16:06:59 i know music isn't slack jaw passive. 16:07:05 Well, it's not necessarily passive. 16:07:08 Is what I meant. 16:07:09 hehe 16:07:10 but you CAN listen to it whilst you're doing something else. 16:07:17 right 16:07:21 so we're all agreed 16:07:24 If you're involved in creating the music it's a whole different story. 16:07:25 Yes. 16:07:26 you can't do it with games, book, yadda yadda. 16:07:26 WE AGREE 16:07:29 DAMNIT 16:07:31 MORBAS! 16:07:33 MORBAS 16:07:49 Morbus: Indeed. 16:07:52 I have music playing all day long 16:07:56 woo 16:08:08 ah, Music... 16:08:20 Ash: i can't at work, but at home, yeah, it goes on immediately and doesn't stop until i sleep 16:08:40 You can't listen to music at work??? 16:08:42 That would suck :( 16:08:50 that REALLY sucks. 16:08:53 * Ash thinks morbus really must be a netslave 16:09:01 doesnt' bother me. 16:09:09 heheh 16:09:19 he's not a netslave anymore. he sold that. 16:09:31 Well, it wouldn't bother me *that* much.. but it's nice for when I'm trying to focus 16:09:44 i can put on some headphones and nobody bugs me 16:09:45 hehe 16:17:32 * sbp plays Think About It 16:23:00 heh. 16:23:00 they just recommended me the java cookbook. 16:25:42 heh, heh 16:26:48 bwahah. and the "java and xml" book. 16:26:59 sbp and I are the same demographic! 16:27:02 how disheartening. 16:28:00 hey! 16:28:24 heh, heh. 16:31:52 hey, eric, check your site in mozilla. 16:31:55 doesn't look right. 16:32:06 I know. I was looking at it in netscape this morning. 16:32:23 is the content section pushed to the bottom? 16:32:32 yuyp 16:32:33 or what does it look like to you? 16:32:35 hmm. 16:33:24 it's doing weird things with the DIV. 16:34:00 if there is text in the DIV that needs to wrap, it pushes the div to the bottom, rather than wrapping it. 16:36:40 * jillzilla appears. 16:36:56 thanks for the maria da paz. it's good. 16:37:00 Jill! 16:37:06 pixel: excellent! 16:37:11 sbp! 16:37:24 * rik pounces on jill and jumps up and down happily 16:37:33 * jillzilla cuddles rik. 16:37:40 * rik purrs happily 16:37:40 Well, I did it. 16:37:44 I cut my hair. 16:37:48 (well, someone else cut my hair) 16:37:50 eep. 16:37:54 argh! nooooooo! 16:37:57 It looks good. 16:38:15 just one of them, or all of them? 16:38:16 Short on the bottom with plenty to run one's fingers through on the top. 16:38:20 pixel: Most of them. 16:38:25 oh, that's okay then. 16:38:35 * rik whispers "digital camera" 16:38:49 yay jill! 16:38:50 cameras are good. 16:38:51 * jillzilla bursts out laughing. 16:38:53 you go girl 16:38:56 at sweetrelease 16:39:00 Rowr! 16:39:04 heh 16:39:08 I wonder if anyone around has a camera... 16:39:18 I do. but I'm nto around there. 16:39:19 bloody typical. people ask for your advice and then just do what they want anyway 16:39:36 sbp: it was to make sure she wasn't attractive to you. 16:39:41 she can't be ravihed all the time 16:39:41 heh 16:39:45 she wouldn't get any work done1 16:39:46 ! 16:39:52 did I ever say that long hair is attractive? 16:40:04 did I ever not say it? 16:40:05 i canm't remember. 16:40:06 sbp: You don't understand! The woman who cut my hair agreed with me that my hair looked dreadful! It was fantastic. 16:40:12 oh, okay then 16:40:14 She could have done anything she wanted to my hair at that point. 16:40:19 My fence loves me and I shall not be moved 16:40:24 And now you can see my ears. 16:40:27 not looking dreadful is better than looking vaguely attractive. 16:40:27 redmonk has quit ("headed to work. cya laters") 16:40:39 rik: I look much better now. 16:40:41 MUCH. 16:40:43 good good. 16:40:50 sbp: Your fence? 16:40:51 you know what's funny to listen to? German Rap. 16:40:58 i want the new photoshop 7. 16:41:00 looks so good. 16:41:22 my boss is supposed to be ordering it for me. I'm still using 5.0 16:41:27 anyway, if you and your haridresser think it looks better, then it probably is :-) 16:41:33 have him get the os x version too ;) 16:41:47 heheh I think he'd wonder. 16:43:57 ooh, I'm in conspiracy theory mode today, I think 16:44:18 why's that? 16:44:45 well, I keep coming up with conspiracy theories for the most mundane events 16:44:52 such as? 16:45:07 Pff, please 16:45:20 hehhehe 16:45:30 perhaps it's just the cynic in me popping out to say hello 16:45:47 how about a conspiracy for why these ehadphones stopped working. 16:45:58 ehadphones = headphones 16:46:12 OR! even better, why I can't type. 16:46:25 Something to do with Morbus wanting to control your listening, I'm sure. He probably did it remotely through som eoccult ceremony 16:46:40 oh, well that's because you're tired 16:46:47 heheh 16:46:58 I think the tired thing is probably right. 16:47:10 but the reason that you're tired is because the security services are drugging you by spiking your coffee supply 16:47:45 EHEHE 16:48:00 hi jillzilla 16:48:20 she's gone to get her hair tousled 16:48:52 oh 16:48:58 that sounds like fun. 16:51:52 Hmm... I wonder if "I'm Confused" can be considered Public Domain? 16:55:23 well, smell ya later 16:55:23 Gotta run 16:58:15 My hair is touseled! 16:58:23 * jillzilla waves goodbye to sbp. 16:59:02 * jillzilla reads sbp's conspiracy theories. Dear me! 16:59:05 ASH 17:03:28 hi sbp! 17:03:31 er 17:03:34 s/sbp/jillzilla/ 17:03:40 how are you? 17:04:09 I'm just searching to make sure this person hasn't emailed me about a problem so I can flame her ass 17:04:10 damnit 17:04:23 i hate it when people complain like IT isn't doing anything because they've never told me about their problem. 17:11:21 pixel has changed the topic to: Where sysadmins come to cry (Come On Eileen) 17:13:14 * Ash sends flaming email 17:13:36 flamer. 17:15:56 * Ash puts a rainbow sticker on pixel 17:16:20 hehehe 17:16:29 :) 17:19:16 Ash> i hate it when people complain like IT isn't doing anything because they've never told me about their problem. 17:19:18 HEAR HEAR! 17:19:44 "Oh, I didn't want to bother you!" "ARGH! It bothers me when things don't work!" 17:20:15 Heh 17:20:37 Well, what bothers me is when you send email out to the whole company telling them not to take the letterhead out of tray 1 on this big fancy new printer, because for some reason she can't print to tray two 17:20:45 and putting a line at the end that says "Hopefully this will be resolved" 17:20:49 as if she's been waiting on us or something 17:20:50 oh man 17:20:52 * Ash kill 17:21:25 wait, I missed something. Who sent what? 17:21:43 some luser sends an email to everyone 17:22:06 says she can't print to tray 2, so she's using the manual feed tray, and please don't take out the paper 17:22:22 i've been wondering for weeks who the hell is printing from tray 1 17:22:32 but nobody has called me, so I just go over there and take the paper out. 17:22:39 ARGH! 17:22:40 KILL! 17:22:43 i figure someone will eventually get pissed enough to send out an email like this 17:22:50 or more correctly, send it to ME 17:22:51 And then you can KILL that person. 17:23:00 Well, for sending it to everyone. 17:23:00 rather than acting like IT isn't helping her out 17:23:01 oh man 17:23:03 kill 17:23:04 KILL 17:23:05 * Ash dies 17:23:13 * jillzilla revives Ash. 17:23:53 * sbp waves 17:24:03 thanks, jillzilla 17:24:09 * jillzilla waves to sbp. 17:24:14 when my boss is back from whatever he's doing i'm going to give him an earfula 17:24:19 and he will flame her ass even worse 17:24:23 bwahahaha 17:24:43 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:24:52 Hi rm 17:24:54 I just wonder how she thought things were going to get fixed. Is her world populated by printer gnomes who can read her mind? 17:25:01 redmonk has left #swhack 17:25:02 hello, redmonk. 17:25:05 heh 17:25:05 d'ohh. 17:25:13 heh 17:25:19 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:25:30 jillzilla, I just got an email back saying "Oh, i was able to work around it so I didn't want to bug you guys, I know you're busy" 17:25:31 argh 17:25:36 BUG ME SO I KNOW WHAT THE PROBLEM IS 17:25:38 OR I KILL YOU 17:25:46 hehe 17:25:48 It's not like you are incapable of ignoring things. :-) 17:25:55 Heheheh. 17:25:58 If they are trivial luser issues. 17:26:05 Exactly. 17:26:07 I AM THE PUSHER ROBOT 17:26:11 \topic Where sysadmins come to moan 17:26:11 muhahaha 17:26:16 I AM THE LUSER ROBOT 17:26:19 I'll point her in the right direction if she's an idiot 17:26:27 sbp: The sysadmins have not yet BEGUN to moan. 17:26:32 PUSHER ROBOT, PUSH THE LUSER ROBOT DOWN THE STAIRS 17:26:37 NOOOOO 17:26:45 PUSHING WILL PROTECT SYSADMINS FROM THE TERRIBLE SECRET OF SPACE 17:26:48 so, jill, do we get a picture of your new do? 17:26:55 I don't have a digital camera. 17:27:03 Yeah, when's the jillcam coming back up? 17:27:05 Well, I do, but I haven't installed the kernel module to make it go. 17:27:08 put your head on the scanner 17:27:12 * jillzilla laughs. 17:27:12 l-) 17:27:17 "That's not my head!" 17:28:13 brb 17:28:25 * jillzilla sits on the scanner. 17:28:31 back in 96 i put up a site with an animated gif (remember those?) of my face, made from various scans 17:28:55 I've still never learned to make an animated gif. I'm so primitive. 17:29:02 i got an email from some media critic in NY saying it was "sexy and mysterious" 17:29:03 head, Jill 17:29:11 sbp: Oh...head... 17:29:27 "sexy and mysterious" ....wooo. Were you already married? 17:29:34 i was like "huh?!" 17:29:36 no 17:29:38 not yet 17:29:47 *nudge* *nudge* 17:30:02 (was not at the time, i should say) 17:30:15 ooh, Dylan review in the Mail! 17:30:19 you ever see hoopla.com? 17:30:21 * sbp reads it 17:30:22 nope 17:30:34 or smug.com? 17:30:38 nope 17:30:51 I saw findthespam.org 17:30:59 anyway, Leslie Harpold runs them - she was the one who emailed me 17:31:03 a truly brilliant website. 17:31:07 funny all in all 17:34:02 another fairly good write up 17:34:14 (titled "How does it feel? Pretty darned good") 17:34:21 :-) 17:35:40 but neither review has managed to capture just how outstanding a performance it was; why do reviews always concentrate on the setting and context rather than the songs? there's never a good enough balance 17:36:25 One has to be a musician to write about music, and people who aren't musicians won't understand. 17:37:05 ah, good point. I don't think that either of the reviwers were musicians (venturing a guess) 17:37:18 * sbp searches for online reviews 17:37:18 And few of their readers are, as well. 17:38:20 Is there a removable media device that can hold ~40GB? Hmm, tapes, I guess. 17:38:42 I want to have one copy and one backup of my ripped CDs. 17:39:01 ipod! :-) 17:39:25 Oh, is there a good interface to that? Something I can run from the linux and openbsd boxes? 17:39:53 I thought it was an mp3 player -- how much does it hold? 17:40:08 Also, isn't it from Apple? They usually don't do interoperable stuff. 17:40:10 it can also be used as a portable hard disk 17:40:28 Ooh. How big? 17:40:39 or, you could just buy an external hard drive. 17:41:27 oh, 5 or 10 17:42:01 yeah, an external hard drive 17:42:16 maxtor makes some nice external hard drives. a 40GB, 120GB and a 160GB. 17:42:54 ah, one guy noticed the fireworks after the show. I wondered about them, too 17:43:04 dumb question: what kind of connectors? The only external HDs I've used ahve been SCSI. 17:43:20 they make USB and Firewire versions. 17:43:29 http://www.googlegear.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=100609 17:43:31 USB would work. Cool. 17:43:35 wow, the next show had quite a different setlist 17:43:54 that one is the 40GB USB, $148.99 after rebate. 17:44:12 * jillzilla waits for the page to load. 17:44:27 the 120GB one (also USB) is around $260. 17:44:44 the 160GB, and 80GB use firewire. 17:45:19 (and are somewhat more expensive) 17:45:20 Oh, dear. I'll have to find out if my machine has USB 2.0. 17:45:32 what do you have/ 17:45:37 Thinkpad 600. 17:46:11 yaaay 17:46:14 * rik hugs ThinkPad 17:46:32 * jillzilla laughs. 17:46:36 * rik purrs, curls up on keyboard 17:46:47 hmm. it has USB, but I can't tell if it's 2.0 17:46:54 pixel: on a TP600? it's not. 17:47:03 * rik is ircing from a TP 600. 17:47:10 cool. 17:47:10 I very much doubt it's 2.0. Too old. 17:47:16 But I run a USB keyboard and mouse. 17:47:21 the drives also work with 1.1 USB. 17:47:29 http://www.maxtor.com/products/ExternalStorage/3000LE/pdf/3000LEdatasheet2_02g.pdf 17:47:29 Hmmmm? 17:48:02 it would run a bit slower on USB 1.1, but it would still work fine. 17:48:02 Well, I've blown my computer budget for the next several months anyway, so I'm not buying it now. 17:48:11 hehe 17:48:12 But that sounds really good. 17:48:38 hehhe 17:49:00 * jillzilla remembers financial reality. :-0 17:49:09 I'm moving in eight days! 17:49:12 * jillzilla dances. 17:49:34 you might check out http://www.buslink.com a guy here has one, and loves it. 17:50:06 pixel: AIEEE! 17:50:13 ehhe 17:50:21 sorry to take you back to fantasy land. 17:50:30 Yeah, sure. 17:51:14 I found the 40GB USB buslink for only $123. 17:51:33 oooh. 60GB buslink for $148. 17:51:37 :) 17:51:43 *whimper* 17:51:52 save up your pennies 17:51:56 you don't need food this month! 17:52:01 nor shampoo! 17:52:02 I eat at work... 17:52:08 yeah 17:52:14 ...and I just bought a $3 bottle of shampoo that'll last me 3 months... 17:52:15 and cycling to work os cheaper than driving 17:52:20 Yes, much! 17:52:30 so., you can afford the new toy! 17:52:31 And I should be able to cycle again once these allergy medications take effect. 17:52:35 rik: I am paying movers. 17:52:46 hm 17:52:48 * rik shrugs 17:52:52 And I'm paying double rent for half of this month. 17:52:58 really? why? 17:53:00 oh 17:53:00 duh. 17:53:14 heh 17:53:21 eat ramen noodles. 17:53:24 I do. 17:53:28 in fact, I am right now. 17:53:37 * jillzilla refrains from describing what happened the last two times she ate Ramen noodles. 17:53:59 and we all thank you for your restraint. 17:54:06 np 17:54:13 jill! 17:54:15 But I'm fed at work. I don't really need food at home. 17:54:18 rik? 17:54:25 what's the difference between a comma and a kitty? 17:54:29 what? 17:54:36 one has a pause after the clause... 17:54:53 Awwww...That's so cute. 17:54:58 :) 17:55:27 what's the difference between a bad sniper and a constipated owl? 17:56:06 gosh, rik, what would that be? 17:56:08 one can shoot, but can't hit... 17:56:21 hehe 17:56:35 heh 17:56:42 Please, let's leave out the one about the pygmies and the women's track and field team. 17:57:19 ugh. you have to tell it now 17:57:33 oh dear. 17:57:38 i don't know that one... 17:57:45 um. 17:58:00 one is a group of cunning runts. 17:58:12 oh, man 17:58:22 hahaha 17:58:22 It's a bit of a stretch. Not to mention offensive. 17:58:33 should I laugh. hmm. 17:58:39 I more squirm. 17:58:44 indeed 17:58:53 O.K., to settle, a vacuum and a randy Swiss admiral 17:59:08 (a good vacuum, even) 17:59:24 one sucks and never fails, and the other gets seasick 17:59:40 * jillzilla looks confused. 17:59:45 Gotta run 18:00:10 Oh, a personal favorite is the comparison between Rush Limbaugh and the Hindenburg. 18:00:50 * jillzilla wonders if rik and sbp know who Rush Limbaugh is. 18:00:52 I hope not. 18:01:39 * rik shrugs 18:02:02 i do 18:02:03 He's a radio talk show host, complains about the liberals. 18:02:11 ah 18:02:25 Very nice speaking voice, but very dull after one gets the gist of his rants. 18:02:38 Anyway, the difference between RL and the Hindenburg: 18:02:50 One is a flaming Nazi gasbag. And the other is a dirigible. 18:03:07 * redmonk golf-claps 18:03:12 (and I usually don't call people names like that, but Rush should be able to take what he dishes out) 18:03:31 kenzo75 has left #swhack 18:03:53 heh 18:05:23 * AaronSw wonders if +sbp is around 18:05:38 he just hadda run. 18:05:43 but maybe. 18:07:12 * AaronSw waves, works on talk. 18:07:42 * Morbus redmonk i just know the boss is gonna be like "so, uh... morbus, whatcha doing?" 18:07:49 bwahahah 18:07:54 ah well. 18:08:44 ah, well at least he emailed it to me 18:12:33 * jillzilla coughs at Morbus. Abuse of /me! 18:14:07 [[[ 18:14:07 [14:14] the spike is now a protusion. 18:14:07 [14:14] a phallic symbol of questionable proportions! 18:14:07 ]]] 18:14:15 jillzilla: that was an accident. 18:20:31 Had dinner with TimBL last night. He saved a spot right next to him. 18:20:37 Ian Jacobs is pronounced eye-in. 18:20:45 Janet and Henrik are such a cute couple. 18:20:54 Tim has this cool pass-the-camera-panorma thing. 18:28:58 sbp: Orange Pekoe. 18:29:49 Earl Grey. 18:30:26 "Tea. Earl Grey. Hot" 18:30:36 heh, hhe. 18:30:44 * Morbus ^5's redmonk. 18:30:48 woo hoo! 18:30:51 I have some twinnings at home. 18:30:54 :) 18:30:57 mmmm 18:33:23 I'm drinking Earl grey from a local tea company right now. 18:33:24 chumpette (~chumpette@155.136www2002.netenterprise.net) has joined #swhack 18:33:35 18:33:35 yummy 18:33:41 chumpette, 18:33:42 chumpette has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:33:54 Heh. 18:34:05 * redmonk is driking coffee, desperately trying to wake up, even after two hours at work 18:35:36 chumpette (~chumpette@155.136www2002.netenterprise.net) has joined #swhack 18:35:39 chumpette, hi 18:35:39 chumpette has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:36:07 * AaronSw moves to #rdftest 18:43:41 hey deus_x, you're site appeared on ORA. 18:43:43 oh. you're not here. 18:44:14 URI? 18:44:17 @ http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/050502/met_9322821.html 18:44:26 http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/webservices/2002/05/03/udell.html 18:44:33 oh yea 18:44:36 i saw that 18:44:45 heh. I have bad timing. 18:44:48 B: http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/050502/met_9322821.html from jillzilla 18:45:01 blogspace, ahem 18:45:37 100% 18:45:40 whOOoOOoOOO! 18:46:51 F(*&(&*ing netscape. 18:47:28 bette check that it works, mor 18:47:36 i wont know for three days ;) 18:48:01 i hope the installer didn't get killed because of the tar ;) 18:48:07 me too 18:48:08 wondering about resource forks, etc. 18:48:12 sbp, do you _have_ to use 3 spaces for indents. ugh 18:48:17 well, can't you untar it, and check it there? 18:48:23 i suppose ;-) 18:48:34 well, try it :) 18:48:48 * redmonk waits ten minutes while 230mb tarz uncompresses 18:51:30 shoulda used hfstar 18:52:53 perhaps 18:53:13 hm 18:56:58 redmonk: http://homepage.mac.com/everyday/quickchange/ 18:57:26 see if you can set the file/creator of the real installer on the untar one. 18:57:36 cool 18:59:51 sbp, chumpette doesn't like prefixes. 19:00:10 chumpette, @prefix A: . 19:00:10 huh? try that one again... 19:00:55 * sbp waves 19:00:57 right, it doesn't save prefixes yet 19:01:23 Orange Pekoe: aha 19:01:46 hm. 19:01:58 brb. i think i spy scoble 19:02:18 sbp, do you _have_ to use 3 spaces for indents. ugh 19:02:18 huh? 19:02:30 of course I do 19:02:48 * Ash dances! 19:05:35 Careful. Ash just consumed sugar. Beware. 19:05:56 heh, heh 19:06:03 He admitted it. 19:08:39 jillzilla: plus I'm sucking on a lollipop 19:08:45 FEAR! 19:08:53 rowr 19:09:01 PHEAR M`/ S|{1LLZ 19:09:03 uh oh 19:09:08 Homer: Something said... not good... 19:11:11 gotta run: breakfast 19:12:22 any luck, redmonk? 19:12:41 have to copy the orig installer onto HD first - QC want's an unlocked file 19:12:49 even to check the t/c 19:12:52 (bleagh) 19:13:17 pff. that's insane. 19:13:53 yep 19:14:37 hm. no good 19:14:46 it know's it's an app, but no joy 19:14:51 fuckin carbon 19:14:51 changing em to match, didn't work? 19:14:55 yeah 19:14:56 what error? 19:15:07 none 19:15:10 nuttin happens 19:15:16 argh 19:18:25 how do you "update" the terminal env so that it "sees" something new in /usr/bin? 19:18:55 nevermind 19:18:57 what shell? 19:18:58 oh. 19:20:15 just had to open a new term 19:24:08 * redmonk listens to Sophie B Hawkins. Guilty pleasures. 19:24:14 "Let me in!" 19:24:30 * redmonk hangs head in shame 19:26:48 wah? 19:26:58 redmonk: rehash 19:27:00 in most 19:27:04 ah 19:27:06 cool 19:27:45 time to go. see everyone monday. 19:28:01 Gotta run 19:29:13 pixel has left #swhack 19:35:44 monk, any luck? 19:36:06 mmmm, yes 19:36:18 oh? 19:36:32 zipping now 19:36:38 mMM. 19:36:54 (hfstar is more limited - does not support the -z option) 19:46:12 morbus 19:46:24 rm -fr the ps7 file on disobey 19:49:57 hold 19:50:08 done 19:50:12 how big? 19:52:06 same size 19:52:17 229+ 19:53:04 k 19:53:18 on it's way 19:54:57 on dvorak now 19:55:27 oierw` is now known as oierw 19:55:54 i'm sooo slow on dvorak right now 20:14:33 justme (justme@p5757.vwr.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 20:21:13 brb 20:21:24 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 20:23:41 woo! http://markBernstein.org/May0201.html#note_12199 20:23:47 justme has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:24:42 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 20:29:40 oierw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:31:20 morbus 20:31:23 70% 20:31:28 yay 20:31:46 lol 20:37:55 alexa has donated a ton to the library of alexandria 20:38:04 cool 20:38:49 what kind of machine are you on at work? 20:38:55 portable? 20:39:09 nope. its an hp kayak. 800mhz, w2k. 20:39:18 ah 20:39:34 you could d/l it to that machine, then unplug it and take it home :-D 20:39:41 heh, heh. 20:39:53 i'm patient. i've downloaded probably 200gigs off my modem. i'm in no rush ;) 20:40:16 wow 20:40:22 i'm never that patient 20:40:27 heh, heh. i'm a collector. 20:40:43 i spend lifetimes waiting for that one *thing* to complete my collection. 20:40:52 three months for a moby track, five months for an animaniacs track on napster, etc. 20:41:05 And i'm still waiting for those fonts. 20:41:11 i still want that moby track 20:41:13 AaronSw: wait until 10.2. 20:41:17 Heh. 20:41:18 maybe they'll fix my bug then ;) 20:41:25 we'll try each major upg 20:41:54 oh oh! 20:42:40 ah 20:43:01 * redmonk goes to get library card and cocoa book from library 20:43:42 btw. did you test an unextraction on this one? 20:43:43 20:47:55 wow, retail version of omnigraffle 20:50:24 Hi AaronSw 20:50:33 hi BenSw 20:58:00 * AaronSw works on omnigraffle descriptions of semplesh for is talk 21:08:53 ooh. 21:09:14 just got a comment from "Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla UI Design component default assignee thing" 21:09:31 he had written a Free Software / Usability and how it typically sucks. 21:09:40 showed him AmphetaDesk. "Very nice", and some good suggestions. 21:20:31 wendy (chisholm@251.136www2002.netenterprise.net) has joined #swhack 21:24:18 wendy. long time. 21:25:23 hey. yep. how's things? 21:25:46 alright. trying to get my head around ProFTPD's horrible documentation 21:27:13 * rik hands Morbus a copy of vsftpd 21:27:34 why do people always try to help by destroying the initial foundation? 21:27:48 ;) 21:28:43 well, because you'r etrying to use proftpd. 21:28:56 what's wrong with proftpd? been using it for about two years now. 21:29:03 exactly 21:29:05 it's time for a change! 21:29:09 heh, heh. 21:29:18 yeah, i should change apache too. 21:29:23 yup 21:29:25 for thttpd. 21:29:27 and this linux thing? pshaw! winXP, here I come! 21:29:31 nah 21:29:31 FreeBSD. 21:29:34 get it right man 21:29:38 at least become more productive. 21:29:43 * Morbus sighs 21:29:44 ;) 21:29:59 thttpd can handle php, btw. 21:30:13 so? 21:30:30 i thought you like php. 21:30:37 * redmonk back from fetching lunch 21:30:44 i like perl. i've been starting to fiddle with php. 21:30:47 it's the wendy bird! 21:37:12 bs 21:37:14 oops 21:37:23 sorry - that was meant for a term window 21:41:27 * jillzilla returns from a luau. 21:42:17 * redmonk eats #spits 21:42:17 *BURP* 21:42:28 argh 21:42:33 stupid irc codes 21:45:39 * rik mews at jillzilla 21:46:43 rik... 21:47:19 jill... 21:47:43 * rik realises a correlation, and knows how to get people who re afk on irc to some back, and talk to him 21:53:39 * redmonk marvels that he ate a whole subway meatball sub without adding any of it to his wardrobe 21:53:57 hahaha 21:57:24 rar. 21:57:26 IBM advert on TV 21:57:30 Linux scores a slam-dunk 21:59:22 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:04:26 * sbp waves 22:04:28 cool Fraiser double bill - one with a Cheers reunion 22:04:55 and the other with a segway 22:05:01 * sbp catches up 22:05:24 partial reunion - I didn't see Diane or Sam 22:05:52 but yeah 22:06:06 nice to see them too 22:06:15 yep... under the pretense that Sam was holding a Sox reunion 22:06:33 it certainly was; especially the Norm-Martin/Daphne-Cliff pairings :-) 22:08:36 * AaronSw shows http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2000/08/24/boll/ to em 22:08:47 he's been _sharing_ some _books_ he got from the _library_! 22:09:53 (no Woody either) 22:20:01 "The inventor of the system is Melvil Dewey, a plucky 149-year-old who's been dead for 69 years, so his business plan is unclear." 22:20:25 heh, heh 22:20:38 "Next: Shower-singing threatens music industry!" 22:21:40 a spurious cartoon, but funny 22:22:03 (whoever borrowed a song from Napster?) 22:24:13 I'm checking out (he's checking out) I'm checking out (checking checking out) 22:26:02 wendy has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:28:14 judyB is sitting next to me 22:28:24 wow, neat 22:28:27 * sbp waves 22:28:51 she's got an awesome electric wheelchair thing 22:31:08 Judy: "give me your favorite reason why acessibility is irrelevant in developing country" 23:04:46 * AaronSw chats with wendy about EARL 23:07:13 .flight aa 3001 23:11:41 sbp, do you have a link to a sample EARL file from that windows app? 23:15:33 * AaronSw exchanges key with Hugo 23:15:34 try: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-er-ig/2002Apr/att-0041/01-01-sample 23:18:44 thanks 23:21:16 4 sigs! http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x79F0DF4B 23:21:34 guha wanders about 23:23:32 Hugo's sig: "Me fail English? That's unpossible. -- Ralph Wiggum" 23:24:17 heh 23:24:28 * AaronSw hears somone at W3C booth play malcolm mp3 23:25:14 damn 23:25:15 no 23:25:20 #macdev needs to learn the power of the quote deely 23:25:27 #meant to be commented? 23:26:12 jillzilla has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:26:18 * sbp listens to Red House 23:27:59 * redmonk listens to The Crystal Method 23:28:05 * redmonk bops 23:30:43 s|a (~synack@210-86-94-245.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #swhack 23:30:49 jillzilla (~jill@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #swhack 23:30:57 hi guys 23:31:02 hey, synack. 23:31:02 'lo 23:32:39 hey, rm. 23:34:40 'lo jillzilla! 23:34:40 hi redmonk 23:34:45 how are you today jillzilla? 23:34:50 wb all 23:35:01 * redmonk puts on blue Defense Force helmet 23:40:35 not too bad. You? 23:40:39 redmonk is stylish today. 23:40:49 Robotech Defense Force? 23:41:13 i don't remember - the japanese defense force in the Godzilla movies 23:41:19 (RDF) 23:41:38 jillzilla: don't you hate it when you spend a couple of hours late at night trying to solve something, determined not to go to sleep until you solve it. In the end you are beaten and succumb to the sandman. Morning comes, you awake turn on the monitor and solve it in 15 minutes... 23:41:50 Aieeee.... 23:41:52 I've so been there. 23:42:36 the moral of the story is: "go to bed now, dipstick!" 23:42:53 sbp: hehe - too right! 23:42:57 * s|a is stubborn 23:45:38 jillzilla has quit (Remote closed the connection) 23:46:54 jillzilla (~jill@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #swhack 23:47:29 wb jillzilla 23:47:39 hey! 23:49:53 wb again 23:50:05 I want to do something exciting! 23:50:12 sing a song for us! 23:50:15 Oooh! 23:50:18 That would be lovely! 23:50:41 * jillzilla sings quietly, being at work and all. 23:50:47 heh, heh 23:51:03 Hmmm, what should I sing... 23:51:29 must... not... shout... out... requests 23:51:35 nooooo..do! 23:51:45 Hey, there's an option. I could go buy a phone and bother sbp. Hehehehehe 23:52:00 heh, indeed. we could harmonize over the phone 23:52:05 Oooh! 23:52:11 well, I could wail, you could harmonize