00:31:06 jillium (~jill@dsl092-186-227.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #swhack 00:31:16 Hi there, Jill 00:31:32 * sbp is still writing up details 00:31:38 hi, sbp! 00:38:57 * jillium returns from saying goodbye to her visiting friend. 00:39:09 * sbp returns from a Bob Dylan concert 00:39:37 * jillium looks confused. 00:40:05 see the logs for about three pages worth of notes :-) 00:40:23 with the offline stuff, I've written up about 3000 words already 00:40:47 * jillium looks interested. 00:40:54 um, where are the logs again? 00:41:04 http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/ 00:41:49 it was an extraordinary opportunity... 00:42:09 tickets were very difficult to get - we were so lucky to get them 00:42:32 and of course I had to battle with the anxiety... that was tough, but boy did I manage it 00:42:52 if it had been anyone else, I'm not so sure that I could have done it, in fact 00:43:42 as it was, it was just phenomenal. I've used the word before, and I'm bound to use it again :-) 00:44:01 * jillium listens, fascinated. 00:44:36 the logs have more details... I've typed up quite a bit, although I may do a proper review if no one else does 00:44:55 incredibly, the set list was already on the Web within an hour of the concert finishing! 00:45:01 and it was accurate, too 00:46:57 rik has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00:48:40 rik (spamtrap@dsl-212-23-24-254.zen.co.uk) has joined #swhack 00:49:03 Hi all. Routing problems on low-usage hubbing in Europe. 01:13:25 * jillium reads sbp's bubbling descriptions in the logs. 01:13:36 * jillium grins. 01:13:46 :-) 01:13:58 * rik licks jillium's fingers, then heads off to his basket 01:14:06 sbp: I can see your glow from here! 01:14:12 * jillium waves to rik. 01:14:34 * rik waves, wanders. 01:15:52 it's just such an action packed time - and the time just flew by even though he was out for ages 01:16:52 so much to contemplate, to remember, to ruminate on, to describe, to record, and to savour 01:18:32 I mean, these are some of the songs that got me into music, that made me want to write music, and here's the guy that wrote them, reinterpreting them, playing them to a thunderous audience, with me at the back nervous as anything and crying with joy through many of the songs 01:18:52 * jillium shivers. 01:19:19 I can't wait for some of the local reviews, actually. they've been canning many of the people that have been playing, but I have a feeling they'll be praising Bob 01:21:11 the guitar playing was the sort of thing that makes you wonder why you bother to learn :-) 01:21:20 :-) 01:23:32 (in fact, I wasn't right at the back - we drifted gradually forwards through the set) 01:37:44 well, I think I've typed up enough notes for now 01:38:12 what next? 01:38:21 bed, probably :-) 01:38:27 good idea. :-) 01:38:30 hey 01:38:34 or some slightly muted guitar playing 01:38:36 hey, AaronSw. 01:38:40 Hi there 01:38:43 Hi 01:39:03 * sbp quietly rips into Honest With Me 01:39:07 heh: could you update your dns data pls? k thx bye 01:40:19 Gotta run 01:40:27 Sleep well, sbp. 01:45:36 hm: * sbp is unbelievably excited... 01:45:36 why? 01:46:04 He went to a Bob Dylan concert tonight. 01:46:17 You should read the logs. He bubbles. 01:46:19 really? wow! 01:46:24 yeah! 01:47:13 like live? with bob dylan really there? 01:47:19 Yes! 01:47:45 incredible. i think the on;y person i've ever sen live was Garrison Keilor... 01:48:00 hehehe. rock concerts can be pretty cool. 01:48:12 My mother loves them, and started taking me to them when I was 10. 01:48:13 brb... 01:48:23 * jillium goes to wrestle with laundry. 01:51:20 Sorry, was doing havdala. 01:51:28 wow, rock concerts at 10... 01:52:58 10> 01:53:00 ? 01:53:07 My mother loves them, and started taking me to them when I was 10. 01:53:23 oh, that ten. Yeah. 02:04:19 mwaha. wmf: "For some reason the parental control on my DVD player got turned on and it won't let me watch half my DVDs." 02:04:27 hahahaha 02:04:38 The truth is out! wmf is actually 11! 02:04:44 * AaronSw giggles 02:04:59 .dns xia.espnow.com 02:05:00 xia.espnow.com - gaierror: (-2, 'Name or service not known') 02:05:10 is xia up? 02:05:15 apparently 02:05:25 and a full 10 hours since xia was setup 02:05:43 ah: 02:05:43 .dns xia.blazingfast.net 02:05:45 xia.blazingfast.net - 216.234.235.21 02:05:47 This would explain why munin has no load. 02:06:16 no, that would be because I didn't transfer tav's mailbox 02:06:23 * jillium laughs. 02:06:40 every time I look at munin, its NIC's card is solid, not blinking at all. 02:06:46 I've been wondering if you were actually using it. 02:07:44 s/card/LED/ 02:10:14 I was planning to ask you when would be a good time to transfer tav's mail, since it would tie up your network for a few hours 02:10:45 It doesn't make sense to transfer it directly to xia? 02:10:49 but now we have mu2 and xia simultaneously, there's no need 02:10:53 hehehe 02:10:54 sync 02:11:08 thanks for intending to ask, though. :-) 02:12:11 * jillium is listening to A Prarie Home Companion. 02:12:45 * AaronSw turns on radio... oops 02:12:54 Hm, it's a little late, isn't it? 02:13:02 I'm in Pacific time... 02:13:12 they delay it? 02:13:19 If it's over there, it would seem so. 02:13:29 KQED airs it on Saturday and again on Sunday. 02:13:36 Ah, interesting. 02:14:10 I remember them telling stories about getting all the people in $FARAWAYCOUNTRY to stay up until 3AM so they could broadcast the show, since they're all done live for midwesteners 02:14:12 I've been at a taping of a radio broadcast, and it definitely wasn't live. I doubt PHC is broadcast live. 02:14:26 Hmmm, so it's live in the midwest. heh. 02:14:27 Hm, I thought it was. 02:14:42 yes, it's definitely live because i remember watching the webcast 02:14:45 I bet the web page says. 02:15:18 * AaronSw looks 02:15:21 TV news and such is so heavily based in the east that California gets relatively little of it live. 02:15:34 Though of course it's impossible to tell by watching. 02:15:48 s/impossible/beyond my ken/ 02:16:02 "During its first 10 years, A Prairie Home Companion produced 477 live shows." 02:16:04 .wn ken 02:16:05 ken defined as: 02:16:06 - n 1: range of what one can know or understand; "beyond my ken" [syn: {cognizance}] 02:16:07 - 2: the range of vision; "out of sight of land" [syn: {sight}] 02:16:56 I bet "ken" is Anglo-Saxon in origin. 02:16:58 * jillium looks it up. 02:17:17 yeah: "Live Webcast: Every Saturday 4:45 pm - 7:00 pm (CST)" 02:17:26 from old english cennan, to declare. 02:17:37 neato. 02:17:38 interesting... what's the relation? 02:17:43 relation? 02:17:51 between range and declare 02:18:03 the thing's i've said or know, i guess 02:18:08 it's not so much range as range of knowledge. 02:18:46 * jillium wants a printed reference of Indo-European roots and their cognates in living languages. 02:19:30 * jillium looks it up in the OED. 02:21:40 Ah, RoyF feels that IRIs should simply specify a default on-the-wire encoding, the rest is for display. 02:21:42 interesting. 02:22:43 most of the definitions in the OED are relevant to the range of sight definition. There is only one mention of the range of knowledge. I suspect the latter is metaphorical from the former. 02:23:14 But the cites from the range of knowledge meaning go back to 1560, whereas the range of sight ones go only 15 years earlier. 02:25:03 * jillium replaces yet another machine. 02:25:22 Hm, I'm still unclear on the relation to 'declare' 02:25:34 I have no information on that. 02:25:40 Oh, unless the oed has it...jussec. 02:25:58 I wish I had an online OED account, but they're so expensive... 02:26:23 davb-away is now known as davb 02:28:18 Ken \Ken\, n. t. [imp. & p. p. {Kenned}; p. pr. & vb. n. 02:28:18 {Kenning}.] [OE. kennen to teach, make known, know, AS. 02:28:18 cennan to make known, proclaim, or rather from the related 02:28:18 Icel. kenna to know; akin to D. & G. kennen to know, Goth. 02:28:18 kannjan to make known; orig., a causative corresponding to 02:28:18 AS. cunnan to know, Goth. kunnan. [root]45. See {Can} to be 02:28:21 able, {Know}.] 02:28:46 Aha, interesting! 02:28:52 where's that from, deltab? 02:29:37 web1913 Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) 02:30:28 interesting: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=291393 02:31:40 And "kenning" survives meaning teaching in Scottish and northern English dialects. 02:45:05 :-) @ I'd just describe every song in detail 02:48:26 "Aaron will tell me off :-)" - of course not! 02:48:42 although when my speaker t2sed that i shouted "I heard that!" 02:50:28 set list: http://discussions.bobdylan.com/thread.jsp?forum=2&thread=4091 02:51:13 man, i just missed sbp... 02:58:15 read: the wild party, Cosmonaut Keep 02:59:51 the book takes place in 2050 or something 03:00:07 there's one seen where the gov is making some big announcement and they're at the bar 03:00:20 and one man shouts "shoot! can't get CNN, can't even get slashdot!" 03:00:24 book = cosmonaut keep 03:00:32 ah, here's a good quote: "The familiar Microsoft Windows 2045 image floated up, to be instantly replaced by a demonically laughing penguin which left the words But Seriously... fading on the screen before cutting to the primary interface." 03:00:51 .time bst 03:00:52 May 5, 2002 4:00 am GMT+1 03:16:49 rearrangement, probably invisible (2 users) 03:17:02 wow, a 2 user server 03:43:14 .imdb memento 03:43:14 http://www.imdb.com/M/title-substring?&type=fuzzy&title=memento 03:46:44 syn|ack_ (~synack@210-86-61-13.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) has joined #swhack 03:48:26 i got blogged 04:04:59 syn|ack has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:16:10 rik has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:10 syn|ack_ has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:10 jillium has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 davb has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 Ash has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 deltab has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 xena has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 tansaku_xr has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 oierw` has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 icepick has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:22 whoa 04:17:01 syn|ack_ (~synack@210-86-61-13.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) has joined #swhack 04:17:01 rik (spamtrap@dsl-212-23-24-254.zen.co.uk) has joined #swhack 04:17:01 jillium (~jill@dsl092-186-227.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #swhack 04:17:02 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 04:17:02 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 04:17:02 Ash (~amathews@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack 04:17:02 tansaku_xr (~sam@h132-130.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 04:17:02 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 04:17:02 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack 04:17:02 icepick (~myers@va-charlottesville4a-410.chvlva.adelphia.net) has joined #swhack 04:18:00 Hmmm, apologies for that everyone. Looks like the Internet weather is a bit stormy this evening. Hopefully nothing else interesting is going to happen ... thanks! 04:29:24 [talking about ben] 04:30:17 what? you guys were talking about me? that's not fair 04:30:32 * BenSw struggles to get AaronSw from typing this 04:30:45 well, it's too late now. it's in the swhack logs. that's irreversible 04:31:14 sgol kcahws 04:31:24 i could...(thinks) HACK THE SERVER! I am a 31337 hacker! 04:31:32 * jillium waves to BenSw. 04:31:34 deltab, hm? oh, maybe it's loban 04:31:39 Hi, BenSw! See you at infoanarchyCon! 04:31:42 ha! it's automatically mirroed 04:31:46 where?! 04:31:52 shut up 04:32:05 * BenSw throws yellow ball at Aaron's head 04:32:18 * jillium can't help but think AaronSw deserves it. 04:32:24 hey! 04:32:35 why do I deserve it? 04:32:47 * BenSw goes into other room, presumably to log onto IRC 04:32:52 woo! 04:33:45 Maybe it was to get a bigger yellow ball. 04:33:53 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 04:33:58 BenSw! 04:34:05 Welcome! 04:34:09 Hello 04:34:13 But no yellow balls onchannel. 04:34:21 Aw. 04:34:33 * jillium hurls green balls at random. 04:34:52 * AaronSw grabs a red ball off of Google.com and tosses it lightly in jillium's direction 04:35:20 * jillium holds up her palm and the ball begins to hover lightly over it. 04:35:46 the ball was from http://www.google.com/images/art.gif btw 04:35:52 * BenSw picks up a blue ball and chucks it a Aaron 04:36:09 Hm, we're all out of colored balls. 04:36:18 Magenta! 04:36:23 Mauve! 04:36:25 no, from google i mean 04:36:33 Heh: "Take me to the store. I'm feeling shoppy." 04:36:46 * jillium wonders if she should break it to AaronSw that Google is not the source of all colors. 04:36:48 nah. 04:37:05 obviously! just the source of all colored balls 04:37:18 ugh, Ben left yellow ball filling all over my room 04:37:27 looks sorta like cake 04:37:36 * jillium nibbles. Ugh. 04:37:48 BenSw, stop picking at everything 04:37:51 I hate mIRC 04:38:09 bensw is pictured here: 04:38:12 .google ben swartz rdf 04:38:14 ben swartz rdf: http://blogspace.com/pictures/photo-view?photo_id=6314 04:38:22 Noo! 04:38:31 and here: 04:38:32 .google ben swartz 04:38:34 ben swartz: http://www.bsu.edu/csh/anthro/swartz.html 04:38:37 (that's him looking a little older) 04:38:38 I thought you were going to link to a picture of Freddy Kruger or something. 04:40:01 * jillium prefers the first picture. 04:40:11 Oddly. 04:40:38 what's the tool that lets you look at ethernet traffic? 04:40:44 Oh, I should show Ben pictures of me. 04:40:45 tcpdump 04:40:51 or snort 04:41:05 * jillium waves to deltab, her favorite answerbot. 04:41:15 show pictures, snort, it's all the same to him 04:41:59 i'm trying to figure out who's using our 802.11b 04:42:11 http://kode-fu.com/shame/codecon/butter.html 04:42:20 There are a couple of pictures of me on Joey's page. 04:42:42 what the.. :http://kode-fu.com/shame/2002_03_31_archive.shtml 04:43:40 I don't see anything on that page. bah. 04:54:43 * jillium kicks a server. 04:54:44 Argh. 04:55:52 There, the dratted thing is finally running. 04:56:34 just after... 04:57:34 * jillium is falling asleep. 04:58:42 try not to hit the keyboard ;) 04:59:08 * jillium remembers the dilbert when Wally was sleeping too much in the office and had keyboard face. 04:59:21 "It's called qwertyitis. It's from working too hard." 05:00:10 heh, heh 05:00:40 I've slept about seven hours in the last two nights. And I *hate* not sleeping. Tonight sleeping will occur. 05:03:58 Have fun. :) 05:04:11 can't sleep yet. still a dead machine. 05:08:20 * AaronSw downloads MP3 of the entirety of Abbey Road 05:20:32 heh, this is hilarious: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/the_computer_code_hoedown_.mp3 05:20:33 @ http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/the_computer_code_hoedown_.mp3 05:21:05 A: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/the_computer_code_hoedown_.mp3 from AaronSw 05:21:32 A:|The Computer Code Hoedown (DeCSS Square Dance MP3) 05:21:47 titled item A 05:23:54 A::Hilarious. "Now that's the while loop. Return to the procedure. Bow to your partner." 05:24:13 commented item A 05:25:33 * jillium hits the pillow sleeping. 05:32:49 g'nite 05:38:27 BenSw has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:04:26 how does one decode multi-part zip files? i catted them together and ran gunzip on them, but it said the input was corrupt 06:05:34 oh, zcat seems to get most of it 06:06:28 oh, all of them need to be unziped individually 06:24:35 Stupid US government! I want to figure out how Snuffle works. 06:26:47 I want to know why encrypting and hashing are equivalent. 06:27:29 i'll have to sleep on it. 06:27:41 oh, first: Things I'm Packing 06:27:53 - Fruffly Yellow Shirt 06:27:56 - Fruffly Green Shirt 06:28:06 - "Napster for the Mac" T-Shirt 06:28:15 - GNU/FSF T-Shirt 06:28:27 - rdfweb network T-Shirt 06:28:52 - W3C First Plenary T-Shirt 06:28:59 - RDF T-Shirt 06:29:17 - Stump The Experts T-Shirt 06:29:26 - OS X "Blue X" T-Shirt 06:29:32 - Recursive MIT Media Lab T-Shirt 06:30:11 anyway, g'nite 06:30:18 night night AaronSw 06:30:34 :-) c'ya 06:31:09 AaronSw has changed the topic to: As Seen on Hack The Planet 06:49:07 * Ash & 06:49:46 * quasi fg 07:35:17 rik has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:35:31 rik (spamtrap@dsl-212-23-24-254.zen.co.uk) has joined #swhack 07:51:58 syn|ack_ is now known as syn|ack 08:29:11 tansaku_xr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:33:44 tansaku_xr (~sam@h132-130.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 10:31:07 justme (justme@rot2-p2718.dial.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 11:19:34 syn|ack_ (~synack@210-86-60-250.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) has joined #swhack 11:20:54 syn|ack_ has quit (Client Quit) 11:23:48 syn|ack has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:35:54 SethR (~chatzilla@12-230-243-179.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 12:31:44 justme has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:35:39 tansaku_xr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:58:58 justme (~justme@p5595.vwr.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 13:10:40 * sbp waves 13:11:11 * quasi waves back 13:11:55 * sbp catches up log-style 13:16:53 02:18:46 * jillium wants a printed reference of Indo-European roots and their cognates in living languages. 13:16:55 damn right 13:18:02 i just got a great idea of how to improve googel searches ... any googelers around? 13:19:44 lol @ 03:00:32 ah, here's a good quote: "The familiar Microsoft Windows 2045 image floated up, to be instantly replaced by a demonically laughing penguin which left the words But Seriously... fading on the screen before cutting to the primary interface." 13:20:17 SethR: just say it. we're not high enough traffic for the googlers to have missed it by the time they wake up. 13:20:45 heh, heh:- 13:20:46 [[[ 13:20:47 * AaronSw grabs a red ball off of Google.com and tosses it lightly in jillium's direction 13:20:47 * jillium holds up her palm and the ball begins to hover lightly over it. 13:20:47 ]]] 13:22:08 well, it's so simple, its stupid ... everybody just publish there bookmarks on the web .. that way what people think in important will get more hyperlinks and tend to sort up to the top 13:22:20 neat. 13:22:49 and if we can agree to use the same context words, well those will associate too 13:23:47 heh, the logs for last night are rather funny. Aaron and Jill were on form 13:24:27 like for example .. when i bookmark something about #swhack i'd always use that key word ... if you do also, then the #swhack group will provide the group context 13:33:05 point being the more we encourage people to publish their bookmarks, the more we encourage them to put context key words in the book mark files, the better google will be able to index .... yet there seems not to be any consciousness regarding encourageing people to publish bookmarks 13:34:54 it's a good idea 13:35:13 all you have to do is convince microsoft to publish the data in some way the rest of the world can read. 13:36:24 well you can just upload the bookmark file directly if you in netscape ... it's a no brainer 13:36:46 yes, but most of the world uses IE. 13:36:56 so everything would be skewed. 13:37:40 well we could provide a python program to read the IE bookmarks and publish them 13:38:09 providing a .exe would be better. 13:38:27 yeah, your ritht 13:38:37 ritht=right 13:39:00 .google publish IE bookmarks as HTML 13:39:02 publish IE bookmarks as HTML: http://www.jessett.com/web_sites/graphics/favicon.shtml 13:39:07 Pff 13:40:34 anyway, there are plenty of bookmark utilities for IE, and people can alway schange to Mozilla 13:40:47 .google xena 13:40:50 xena: http://www.oxygen.com/xena/ 13:40:51 but it'd be better if there were more editor/browsers around 13:42:08 .google rss calendar perl 13:42:10 with the exe app you coul do some other encourageing of groups to use the same key words ... trying to raise people awareness ... also providing the ftp to the person's site ... 13:42:10 rss calendar perl: http://2shortplanks.com/xmas/about12.html 13:43:37 theres a lot of bookmark sharing around, but i dont know any that is targeted at just publishing bookmarks as they are created in the browser and relying on google to do the rest 13:46:16 * SethR goes back to debugging his bot 13:53:04 hey sean, want to coauthor a Pents grammar with me ? 13:56:11 justme has quit (No route to host) 13:59:36 Hi all. Bit of Australian rerouting in process 14:00:18 tansaku_xr (~sam@h132-130.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 14:02:22 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Services restart in process, this might be a noisy one. Please bear with us. 14:02:31 * AaronSw waves 14:03:47 hey sbp 14:07:38 [GlobalNotice] Rerouting finished. Thanks for your patience. 14:08:37 justme (~justme@i0579.vwa.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 14:09:24 hm, swhackbot should do that for us 14:12:40 justme has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:15:55 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 14:16:37 Hello 14:17:01 Seth: http://infomesh.net/2002/fave.txt 14:17:11 Hi Aaron, Hi Ben 14:18:01 justme (~justme@p5493.vwr.wanadoo.nl) has joined #swhack 14:18:07 so tell us! tell us! 14:18:59 what? what? 14:24:39 sean, i got so many bookmarks, its still churning 14:25:02 heh, neat 14:25:43 try commenting out "for dir in dirs: getFaves(path+dir+'\\')" 14:25:45 it returned None 14:25:56 ? 14:26:11 ugh - os.path.join please 14:26:22 how are you running it? all you need to do is `python faves.py > faves.html` 14:26:26 blargh 14:26:46