IRC log of swhack on 2002-05-05

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00:31:06 [jillium]
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00:31:16 [sbp]
Hi there, Jill
00:31:32 [sbp]
* sbp is still writing up details
00:31:38 [jillium]
hi, sbp!
00:38:57 [jillium]
* jillium returns from saying goodbye to her visiting friend.
00:39:09 [sbp]
* sbp returns from a Bob Dylan concert
00:39:37 [jillium]
* jillium looks confused.
00:40:05 [sbp]
see the logs for about three pages worth of notes :-)
00:40:23 [sbp]
with the offline stuff, I've written up about 3000 words already
00:40:47 [jillium]
* jillium looks interested.
00:40:54 [jillium]
um, where are the logs again?
00:41:04 [sbp]
http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/
00:41:49 [sbp]
it was an extraordinary opportunity...
00:42:09 [sbp]
tickets were very difficult to get - we were so lucky to get them
00:42:32 [sbp]
and of course I had to battle with the anxiety... that was tough, but boy did I manage it
00:42:52 [sbp]
if it had been anyone else, I'm not so sure that I could have done it, in fact
00:43:42 [sbp]
as it was, it was just phenomenal. I've used the word before, and I'm bound to use it again :-)
00:44:01 [jillium]
* jillium listens, fascinated.
00:44:36 [sbp]
the logs have more details... I've typed up quite a bit, although I may do a proper review if no one else does
00:44:55 [sbp]
incredibly, the set list was already on the Web within an hour of the concert finishing!
00:45:01 [sbp]
and it was accurate, too
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00:49:03 [walloper]
<lilo> Hi all. Routing problems on low-usage hubbing in Europe.
01:13:25 [jillium]
* jillium reads sbp's bubbling descriptions in the logs.
01:13:36 [jillium]
* jillium grins.
01:13:46 [sbp]
:-)
01:13:58 [rik]
* rik licks jillium's fingers, then heads off to his basket
01:14:06 [jillium]
sbp: I can see your glow from here!
01:14:12 [jillium]
* jillium waves to rik.
01:14:34 [rik]
* rik waves, wanders.
01:15:52 [sbp]
it's just such an action packed time - and the time just flew by even though he was out for ages
01:16:52 [sbp]
so much to contemplate, to remember, to ruminate on, to describe, to record, and to savour
01:18:32 [sbp]
I mean, these are some of the songs that got me into music, that made me want to write music, and here's the guy that wrote them, reinterpreting them, playing them to a thunderous audience, with me at the back nervous as anything and crying with joy through many of the songs
01:18:52 [jillium]
* jillium shivers.
01:19:19 [sbp]
I can't wait for some of the local reviews, actually. they've been canning many of the people that have been playing, but I have a feeling they'll be praising Bob
01:21:11 [sbp]
the guitar playing was the sort of thing that makes you wonder why you bother to learn :-)
01:21:20 [jillium]
:-)
01:23:32 [sbp]
(in fact, I wasn't right at the back - we drifted gradually forwards through the set)
01:37:44 [sbp]
well, I think I've typed up enough notes for now
01:38:12 [jillium]
what next?
01:38:21 [sbp]
bed, probably :-)
01:38:27 [jillium]
good idea. :-)
01:38:30 [AaronSw]
hey
01:38:34 [sbp]
or some slightly muted guitar playing
01:38:36 [jillium]
hey, AaronSw.
01:38:40 [sbp]
Hi there
01:38:43 [AaronSw]
Hi
01:39:03 [sbp]
* sbp quietly rips into Honest With Me
01:39:07 [AaronSw]
heh: <deltab> could you update your dns data pls? k thx bye
01:40:19 [sbp]
Gotta run
01:40:27 [jillium]
Sleep well, sbp.
01:45:36 [AaronSw]
hm: * sbp is unbelievably excited...
01:45:36 [AaronSw]
why?
01:46:04 [jillium]
He went to a Bob Dylan concert tonight.
01:46:17 [jillium]
You should read the logs. He bubbles.
01:46:19 [AaronSw]
really? wow!
01:46:24 [jillium]
yeah!
01:47:13 [AaronSw]
like live? with bob dylan really there?
01:47:19 [jillium]
Yes!
01:47:45 [AaronSw]
incredible. i think the on;y person i've ever sen live was Garrison Keilor...
01:48:00 [jillium]
hehehe. rock concerts can be pretty cool.
01:48:12 [jillium]
My mother loves them, and started taking me to them when I was 10.
01:48:13 [AaronSw]
brb...
01:48:23 [jillium]
* jillium goes to wrestle with laundry.
01:51:20 [AaronSw]
Sorry, was doing havdala.
01:51:28 [AaronSw]
wow, rock concerts at 10...
01:52:58 [jillium]
10>
01:53:00 [jillium]
?
01:53:07 [AaronSw]
<jillium> My mother loves them, and started taking me to them when I was 10.
01:53:23 [jillium]
oh, that ten. Yeah.
02:04:19 [AaronSw]
mwaha. wmf: "For some reason the parental control on my DVD player got turned on and it won't let me watch half my DVDs."
02:04:27 [jillium]
hahahaha
02:04:38 [jillium]
The truth is out! wmf is actually 11!
02:04:44 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw giggles
02:04:59 [AaronSw]
.dns xia.espnow.com
02:05:00 [xena]
xia.espnow.com - gaierror: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
02:05:10 [jillium]
is xia up?
02:05:15 [AaronSw]
apparently
02:05:25 [AaronSw]
<tav> and a full 10 hours since xia was setup
02:05:43 [AaronSw]
ah:
02:05:43 [AaronSw]
.dns xia.blazingfast.net
02:05:45 [xena]
xia.blazingfast.net - 216.234.235.21
02:05:47 [jillium]
This would explain why munin has no load.
02:06:16 [deltab]
no, that would be because I didn't transfer tav's mailbox
02:06:23 [jillium]
* jillium laughs.
02:06:40 [jillium]
every time I look at munin, its NIC's card is solid, not blinking at all.
02:06:46 [jillium]
I've been wondering if you were actually using it.
02:07:44 [jillium]
s/card/LED/
02:10:14 [deltab]
I was planning to ask you when would be a good time to transfer tav's mail, since it would tie up your network for a few hours
02:10:45 [jillium]
It doesn't make sense to transfer it directly to xia?
02:10:49 [deltab]
but now we have mu2 and xia simultaneously, there's no need
02:10:53 [jillium]
hehehe
02:10:54 [jillium]
sync
02:11:08 [jillium]
thanks for intending to ask, though. :-)
02:12:11 [jillium]
* jillium is listening to A Prarie Home Companion.
02:12:45 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw turns on radio... oops
02:12:54 [AaronSw]
Hm, it's a little late, isn't it?
02:13:02 [jillium]
I'm in Pacific time...
02:13:12 [AaronSw]
they delay it?
02:13:19 [jillium]
If it's over there, it would seem so.
02:13:29 [jillium]
KQED airs it on Saturday and again on Sunday.
02:13:36 [AaronSw]
Ah, interesting.
02:14:10 [AaronSw]
I remember them telling stories about getting all the people in $FARAWAYCOUNTRY to stay up until 3AM so they could broadcast the show, since they're all done live for midwesteners
02:14:12 [jillium]
I've been at a taping of a radio broadcast, and it definitely wasn't live. I doubt PHC is broadcast live.
02:14:26 [jillium]
Hmmm, so it's live in the midwest. heh.
02:14:27 [AaronSw]
Hm, I thought it was.
02:14:42 [AaronSw]
yes, it's definitely live because i remember watching the webcast
02:14:45 [jillium]
I bet the web page says.
02:15:18 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw looks
02:15:21 [jillium]
TV news and such is so heavily based in the east that California gets relatively little of it live.
02:15:34 [jillium]
Though of course it's impossible to tell by watching.
02:15:48 [jillium]
s/impossible/beyond my ken/
02:16:02 [AaronSw]
"During its first 10 years, A Prairie Home Companion produced 477 live shows."
02:16:04 [AaronSw]
.wn ken
02:16:05 [xena]
ken defined as:
02:16:06 [xena]
- n 1: range of what one can know or understand; "beyond my ken" [syn: {cognizance}]
02:16:07 [xena]
- 2: the range of vision; "out of sight of land" [syn: {sight}]
02:16:56 [jillium]
I bet "ken" is Anglo-Saxon in origin.
02:16:58 [jillium]
* jillium looks it up.
02:17:17 [AaronSw]
yeah: "Live Webcast: Every Saturday 4:45 pm - 7:00 pm (CST)"
02:17:26 [jillium]
from old english cennan, to declare.
02:17:37 [jillium]
neato.
02:17:38 [AaronSw]
interesting... what's the relation?
02:17:43 [jillium]
relation?
02:17:51 [AaronSw]
between range and declare
02:18:03 [AaronSw]
the thing's i've said or know, i guess
02:18:08 [jillium]
it's not so much range as range of knowledge.
02:18:46 [jillium]
* jillium wants a printed reference of Indo-European roots and their cognates in living languages.
02:19:30 [jillium]
* jillium looks it up in the OED.
02:21:40 [AaronSw]
Ah, RoyF feels that IRIs should simply specify a default on-the-wire encoding, the rest is for display.
02:21:42 [jillium]
interesting.
02:22:43 [jillium]
most of the definitions in the OED are relevant to the range of sight definition. There is only one mention of the range of knowledge. I suspect the latter is metaphorical from the former.
02:23:14 [jillium]
But the cites from the range of knowledge meaning go back to 1560, whereas the range of sight ones go only 15 years earlier.
02:25:03 [jillium]
* jillium replaces yet another machine.
02:25:22 [AaronSw]
Hm, I'm still unclear on the relation to 'declare'
02:25:34 [jillium]
I have no information on that.
02:25:40 [jillium]
Oh, unless the oed has it...jussec.
02:25:58 [AaronSw]
I wish I had an online OED account, but they're so expensive...
02:26:23 [davb-away]
davb-away is now known as davb
02:28:18 [deltab]
Ken \Ken\, n. t. [imp. & p. p. {Kenned}; p. pr. & vb. n.
02:28:18 [deltab]
{Kenning}.] [OE. kennen to teach, make known, know, AS.
02:28:18 [deltab]
cennan to make known, proclaim, or rather from the related
02:28:18 [deltab]
Icel. kenna to know; akin to D. & G. kennen to know, Goth.
02:28:18 [deltab]
kannjan to make known; orig., a causative corresponding to
02:28:18 [deltab]
AS. cunnan to know, Goth. kunnan. [root]45. See {Can} to be
02:28:21 [deltab]
able, {Know}.]
02:28:46 [AaronSw]
Aha, interesting!
02:28:52 [AaronSw]
where's that from, deltab?
02:29:37 [deltab]
web1913 Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)
02:30:28 [AaronSw]
interesting: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=291393
02:31:40 [jillium]
And "kenning" survives meaning teaching in Scottish and northern English dialects.
02:45:05 [AaronSw]
:-) @ <sbp> I'd just describe every song in detail
02:48:26 [AaronSw]
"Aaron will tell me off :-)" - of course not!
02:48:42 [AaronSw]
although when my speaker t2sed that i shouted "I heard that!"
02:50:28 [AaronSw]
set list: http://discussions.bobdylan.com/thread.jsp?forum=2&thread=4091
02:51:13 [AaronSw]
man, i just missed sbp...
02:58:15 [AaronSw]
read: the wild party, Cosmonaut Keep
02:59:51 [AaronSw]
the book takes place in 2050 or something
03:00:07 [AaronSw]
there's one seen where the gov is making some big announcement and they're at the bar
03:00:20 [AaronSw]
and one man shouts "shoot! can't get CNN, can't even get slashdot!"
03:00:24 [AaronSw]
book = cosmonaut keep
03:00:32 [AaronSw]
ah, here's a good quote: "The familiar Microsoft Windows 2045 image floated up, to be instantly replaced by a demonically laughing penguin which left the words But Seriously... fading on the screen before cutting to the primary interface."
03:00:51 [AaronSw]
.time bst
03:00:52 [xena]
May 5, 2002 4:00 am GMT+1
03:16:49 [walloper]
<lilo> rearrangement, probably invisible (2 users)
03:17:02 [AaronSw]
wow, a 2 user server
03:43:14 [AaronSw]
.imdb memento
03:43:14 [xena]
http://www.imdb.com/M/title-substring?&type=fuzzy&title=memento
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03:48:26 [AaronSw]
i got blogged
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04:16:22 [AaronSw]
whoa
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04:18:00 [walloper]
<MysticOne> Hmmm, apologies for that everyone. Looks like the Internet weather is a bit stormy this evening. Hopefully nothing else interesting is going to happen ... thanks!
04:29:24 [AaronSw]
[talking about ben]
04:30:17 [AaronSw]
<BenSw> what? you guys were talking about me? that's not fair
04:30:32 [AaronSw]
* BenSw struggles to get AaronSw from typing this
04:30:45 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> well, it's too late now. it's in the swhack logs. that's irreversible
04:31:14 [deltab]
sgol kcahws
04:31:24 [AaronSw]
<BenSw> i could...(thinks) HACK THE SERVER! I am a 31337 hacker!
04:31:32 [jillium]
* jillium waves to BenSw.
04:31:34 [AaronSw]
deltab, hm? oh, maybe it's loban
04:31:39 [jillium]
Hi, BenSw! See you at infoanarchyCon!
04:31:42 [AaronSw]
<AaronSw> ha! it's automatically mirroed
04:31:46 [AaronSw]
<BenSw> where?!
04:31:52 [AaronSw]
<BenSw> shut up
04:32:05 [AaronSw]
* BenSw throws yellow ball at Aaron's head
04:32:18 [jillium]
* jillium can't help but think AaronSw deserves it.
04:32:24 [AaronSw]
hey!
04:32:35 [AaronSw]
why do I deserve it?
04:32:47 [AaronSw]
* BenSw goes into other room, presumably to log onto IRC
04:32:52 [jillium]
woo!
04:33:45 [jillium]
Maybe it was to get a bigger yellow ball.
04:33:53 [BenSw]
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04:33:58 [jillium]
BenSw!
04:34:05 [jillium]
Welcome!
04:34:09 [BenSw]
Hello
04:34:13 [jillium]
But no yellow balls onchannel.
04:34:21 [AaronSw]
Aw.
04:34:33 [jillium]
* jillium hurls green balls at random.
04:34:52 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw grabs a red ball off of Google.com and tosses it lightly in jillium's direction
04:35:20 [jillium]
* jillium holds up her palm and the ball begins to hover lightly over it.
04:35:46 [AaronSw]
the ball was from http://www.google.com/images/art.gif btw
04:35:52 [BenSw]
* BenSw picks up a blue ball and chucks it a Aaron
04:36:09 [AaronSw]
Hm, we're all out of colored balls.
04:36:18 [BenSw]
Magenta!
04:36:23 [jillium]
Mauve!
04:36:25 [AaronSw]
no, from google i mean
04:36:33 [AaronSw]
Heh: "Take me to the store. I'm feeling shoppy."
04:36:46 [jillium]
* jillium wonders if she should break it to AaronSw that Google is not the source of all colors.
04:36:48 [jillium]
nah.
04:37:05 [AaronSw]
obviously! just the source of all colored balls
04:37:18 [AaronSw]
ugh, Ben left yellow ball filling all over my room
04:37:27 [AaronSw]
looks sorta like cake
04:37:36 [jillium]
* jillium nibbles. Ugh.
04:37:48 [AaronSw]
BenSw, stop picking at everything
04:37:51 [BenSw]
I hate mIRC
04:38:09 [AaronSw]
bensw is pictured here:
04:38:12 [AaronSw]
.google ben swartz rdf
04:38:14 [xena]
ben swartz rdf: http://blogspace.com/pictures/photo-view?photo_id=6314
04:38:22 [BenSw]
Noo!
04:38:31 [AaronSw]
and here:
04:38:32 [AaronSw]
.google ben swartz
04:38:34 [xena]
ben swartz: http://www.bsu.edu/csh/anthro/swartz.html
04:38:37 [AaronSw]
(that's him looking a little older)
04:38:38 [jillium]
I thought you were going to link to a picture of Freddy Kruger or something.
04:40:01 [jillium]
* jillium prefers the first picture.
04:40:11 [jillium]
Oddly.
04:40:38 [AaronSw]
what's the tool that lets you look at ethernet traffic?
04:40:44 [jillium]
Oh, I should show Ben pictures of me.
04:40:45 [deltab]
tcpdump
04:40:51 [jillium]
or snort
04:41:05 [jillium]
* jillium waves to deltab, her favorite answerbot.
04:41:15 [deltab]
show pictures, snort, it's all the same to him
04:41:59 [AaronSw]
i'm trying to figure out who's using our 802.11b
04:42:11 [jillium]
http://kode-fu.com/shame/codecon/butter.html
04:42:20 [jillium]
There are a couple of pictures of me on Joey's page.
04:42:42 [BenSw]
what the.. :http://kode-fu.com/shame/2002_03_31_archive.shtml
04:43:40 [jillium]
I don't see anything on that page. bah.
04:54:43 [jillium]
* jillium kicks a server.
04:54:44 [jillium]
Argh.
04:55:52 [jillium]
There, the dratted thing is finally running.
04:56:34 [jillium]
just after...
04:57:34 [jillium]
* jillium is falling asleep.
04:58:42 [AaronSw]
try not to hit the keyboard ;)
04:59:08 [jillium]
* jillium remembers the dilbert when Wally was sleeping too much in the office and had keyboard face.
04:59:21 [jillium]
"It's called qwertyitis. It's from working too hard."
05:00:10 [AaronSw]
heh, heh
05:00:40 [jillium]
I've slept about seven hours in the last two nights. And I *hate* not sleeping. Tonight sleeping will occur.
05:03:58 [AaronSw]
Have fun. :)
05:04:11 [jillium]
can't sleep yet. still a dead machine.
05:08:20 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw downloads MP3 of the entirety of Abbey Road
05:20:32 [AaronSw]
heh, this is hilarious: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/the_computer_code_hoedown_.mp3
05:20:33 [AaronSw]
@ http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/the_computer_code_hoedown_.mp3
05:21:05 [chumpy]
A: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/the_computer_code_hoedown_.mp3 from AaronSw
05:21:32 [AaronSw]
A:|The Computer Code Hoedown (DeCSS Square Dance MP3)
05:21:47 [chumpy]
titled item A
05:23:54 [AaronSw]
A::Hilarious. "Now that's the while loop. Return to the procedure. Bow to your partner."
05:24:13 [chumpy]
commented item A
05:25:33 [jillium]
* jillium hits the pillow sleeping.
05:32:49 [AaronSw]
g'nite
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06:04:26 [AaronSw]
how does one decode multi-part zip files? i catted them together and ran gunzip on them, but it said the input was corrupt
06:05:34 [AaronSw]
oh, zcat seems to get most of it
06:06:28 [AaronSw]
oh, all of them need to be unziped individually
06:24:35 [AaronSw]
Stupid US government! I want to figure out how Snuffle works.
06:26:47 [AaronSw]
I want to know why encrypting and hashing are equivalent.
06:27:29 [AaronSw]
i'll have to sleep on it.
06:27:41 [AaronSw]
oh, first: Things I'm Packing
06:27:53 [AaronSw]
- Fruffly Yellow Shirt
06:27:56 [AaronSw]
- Fruffly Green Shirt
06:28:06 [AaronSw]
- "Napster for the Mac" T-Shirt
06:28:15 [AaronSw]
- GNU/FSF T-Shirt
06:28:27 [AaronSw]
- rdfweb network T-Shirt
06:28:52 [AaronSw]
- W3C First Plenary T-Shirt
06:28:59 [AaronSw]
- RDF T-Shirt
06:29:17 [AaronSw]
- Stump The Experts T-Shirt
06:29:26 [AaronSw]
- OS X "Blue X" T-Shirt
06:29:32 [AaronSw]
- Recursive MIT Media Lab T-Shirt
06:30:11 [AaronSw]
anyway, g'nite
06:30:18 [syn|ack_]
night night AaronSw
06:30:34 [AaronSw]
:-) c'ya
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* sbp waves
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* quasi waves back
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* sbp catches up log-style
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02:18:46 <jillium> * jillium wants a printed reference of Indo-European roots and their cognates in living languages.
13:16:55 [sbp]
damn right
13:18:02 [SethR]
i just got a great idea of how to improve googel searches ... any googelers around?
13:19:44 [sbp]
lol @ 03:00:32 <AaronSw> ah, here's a good quote: "The familiar Microsoft Windows 2045 image floated up, to be instantly replaced by a demonically laughing penguin which left the words But Seriously... fading on the screen before cutting to the primary interface."
13:20:17 [rik]
SethR: just say it. we're not high enough traffic for the googlers to have missed it by the time they wake up.
13:20:45 [sbp]
heh, heh:-
13:20:46 [sbp]
[[[
13:20:47 [sbp]
* AaronSw grabs a red ball off of Google.com and tosses it lightly in jillium's direction
13:20:47 [sbp]
* jillium holds up her palm and the ball begins to hover lightly over it.
13:20:47 [sbp]
]]]
13:22:08 [SethR]
well, it's so simple, its stupid ... everybody just publish there bookmarks on the web .. that way what people think in important will get more hyperlinks and tend to sort up to the top
13:22:20 [rik]
neat.
13:22:49 [SethR]
and if we can agree to use the same context words, well those will associate too
13:23:47 [sbp]
heh, the logs for last night are rather funny. Aaron and Jill were on form
13:24:27 [SethR]
like for example .. when i bookmark something about #swhack i'd always use that key word ... if you do also, then the #swhack group will provide the group context
13:33:05 [SethR]
point being the more we encourage people to publish their bookmarks, the more we encourage them to put context key words in the book mark files, the better google will be able to index .... yet there seems not to be any consciousness regarding encourageing people to publish bookmarks
13:34:54 [rik]
it's a good idea
13:35:13 [rik]
all you have to do is convince microsoft to publish the data in some way the rest of the world can read.
13:36:24 [SethR]
well you can just upload the bookmark file directly if you in netscape ... it's a no brainer
13:36:46 [rik]
yes, but most of the world uses IE.
13:36:56 [rik]
so everything would be skewed.
13:37:40 [SethR]
well we could provide a python program to read the IE bookmarks and publish them
13:38:09 [rik]
providing a .exe would be better.
13:38:27 [SethR]
yeah, your ritht
13:38:37 [SethR]
ritht=right
13:39:00 [sbp]
.google publish IE bookmarks as HTML
13:39:02 [xena]
publish IE bookmarks as HTML: http://www.jessett.com/web_sites/graphics/favicon.shtml
13:39:07 [sbp]
Pff
13:40:34 [sbp]
anyway, there are plenty of bookmark utilities for IE, and people can alway schange to Mozilla
13:40:47 [quasi]
.google xena
13:40:50 [xena]
xena: http://www.oxygen.com/xena/
13:40:51 [sbp]
but it'd be better if there were more editor/browsers around
13:42:08 [quasi]
.google rss calendar perl
13:42:10 [SethR]
with the exe app you coul do some other encourageing of groups to use the same key words ... trying to raise people awareness ... also providing the ftp to the person's site ...
13:42:10 [xena]
rss calendar perl: http://2shortplanks.com/xmas/about12.html
13:43:37 [SethR]
theres a lot of bookmark sharing around, but i dont know any that is targeted at just publishing bookmarks as they are created in the browser and relying on google to do the rest
13:46:16 [SethR]
* SethR goes back to debugging his bot
13:53:04 [SethR]
hey sean, want to coauthor a Pents grammar with me ?
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13:59:36 [walloper]
<lilo> Hi all. Bit of Australian rerouting in process
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Services restart in process, this might be a noisy one. Please bear with us.
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* AaronSw waves
14:03:47 [AaronSw]
hey sbp
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[GlobalNotice] Rerouting finished. Thanks for your patience.
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hm, swhackbot should do that for us
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14:16:37 [BenSw]
Hello
14:17:01 [sbp]
Seth: http://infomesh.net/2002/fave.txt
14:17:11 [sbp]
Hi Aaron, Hi Ben
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14:18:07 [AaronSw]
so tell us! tell us!
14:18:59 [sbp]
what? what?
14:24:39 [SethR]
sean, i got so many bookmarks, its still churning
14:25:02 [sbp]
heh, neat
14:25:43 [sbp]
try commenting out "for dir in dirs: getFaves(path+dir+'\\')"
14:25:45 [SethR]
it returned None
14:25:56 [sbp]
?
14:26:11 [deltab]
ugh - os.path.join please
14:26:22 [sbp]
how are you running it? all you need to do is `python faves.py > faves.html`
14:26:26 [sbp]
blargh
14:26:46 [deltab]
:-)
14:29:07 [AaronSw]
.change 24 eur to usd
14:29:10 [xena]
24.00 (Euro (EUR)) makes 22.0200 (United States Dollars (USD))
14:30:07 [SethR]
sean, what do you type in at the python prompt ?
14:31:45 [sbp]
er... you run it from the command line. `python faves.py > faves.html`
14:32:09 [SethR]
oh, cant't run it from the prompt, huh?
14:32:32 [sbp]
it's not a module
14:33:11 [deltab]
so why the if __name__ == '__main__' ?
14:33:38 [deltab]
that's to allow a script to be run or imported
14:33:40 [sbp]
well, you can do "import faves; faves.getFaves('C:\\WINDOWS\\Favorites\\')"
14:34:32 [sbp]
but who cares? it's just a little pile of crap c.30 Python script. GPL2: edit it yourselves and go nuts
14:34:32 [deltab]
there's quite a chunk of functionality unobtainable as a module though
14:35:21 [sbp]
s/30/30-line/
14:40:35 [AaronSw]
so tell us about the concert!
14:40:56 [sbp]
(there are lots of other little bugs, like the hacky dir sniffing algorithm)
14:41:04 [sbp]
ah, well, it was excellent
14:41:43 [AaronSw]
I gathered that bit. How'd you get tickets?
14:42:10 [sbp]
Ticketmaster - we were very lucky to get them
14:42:21 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw just got some spam filled with pictures of coffee cups
14:42:29 [SethR]
sean, very cool :)) ... id publish mine , but i put passwords and stuff in there ... got to change my behavior to make this work
14:42:39 [AaronSw]
Indeed, Paul McCartney had a concert downtown and people were lining up outside the offices
14:42:58 [sbp]
heh, heh
14:44:05 [AaronSw]
I probably would have slep there overnight had I known about it...
14:45:09 [sbp]
yeah... it's always difficult to find out about these things. unless you constantly check, you just have to get lucky
14:46:54 [SethR]
sean, did you write that on the spot, or did you have that in your bag of tricks already?
14:47:32 [sbp]
just a ten minute hack, which is why it's rough
14:47:45 [SethR]
your awsome !
14:47:58 [sbp]
nah. deltab would have done a much better job :-)
14:50:31 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.emergentmusic.com/
14:51:07 [chumpy]
B: http://www.emergentmusic.com/ from AaronSw
14:56:47 [AaronSw]
.time
14:56:48 [xena]
2002/05/05 14:56:47.8766 Universal
14:57:36 [quasi]
.time CEST
14:57:37 [xena]
May 5, 2002 4:57 pm GMT+2
15:28:19 [AaronSw]
.time
15:28:19 [xena]
2002/05/05 15:28:19.4952 Universal
15:31:06 [AaronSw]
are ChangeLog files maintained automatically by CVS?
15:31:47 [AaronSw]
looks like it
15:32:52 [quasi]
AaronSw: not a std. cvs - but there are scipts that could be added to do that
15:33:16 [AaronSw]
yeah. I just gotta figure out if bitsko has the scripts...
15:42:53 [sbp]
ooh, 7-line NTriples parser:-
15:42:55 [sbp]
def parsent(f=sys.stdin):
15:42:56 [sbp]
nt, tokes, t, s = [], [], 'go', shlex.shlex(f)
15:42:56 [sbp]
s.wordchars += '_:<>'
15:43:00 [sbp]
while '' not in tokes:
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tokes.append(s.get_token())
15:43:02 [sbp]
if tokes[-1] == '.': nt, tokes = nt+[tokes[:3]], []
15:43:02 [sbp]
return nt
15:43:26 [sbp]
thanks to shlex: quite an interesting module
15:44:48 [sbp]
oops, you can take t out
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15:46:01 [sbp]
it's annoying when function only take in file objects, though
15:46:16 [AaronSw]
only files? ugh
15:46:26 [AaronSw]
at least there's StringIO
15:46:32 [AaronSw]
.time
15:46:33 [xena]
2002/05/05 15:46:33.151 Universal
15:46:36 [sbp]
yeah... I guess you can wrap with, heh just what I was about to say
15:47:35 [sbp]
I'll bet it's quite slow too. speed tests!
15:56:40 [AaronSw]
Wow, Fairtunes has paid out US$20340.44 to artists
15:58:48 [sbp]
* sbp comes up with a similar 6 line function using a regexp that can parse an NTriples string
15:59:21 [sbp]
and now I plan to test them both on an 8000+ line NTriples file :-)
15:59:41 [AaronSw]
race!
16:02:11 [AaronSw]
do you have an n-triples comparer?
16:02:16 [sbp]
yep
16:02:26 [AaronSw]
does it do graph matching?
16:02:35 [sbp]
for ground triples, yep
16:02:42 [sbp]
it's quite useful, actually
16:02:48 [AaronSw]
for bNodes, i mean
16:03:03 [sbp]
see TimBL's diff note for why I won't bother
16:04:29 [AaronSw]
um, http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Diff?
16:04:32 [AaronSw]
it seems to be for it
16:05:29 [sbp]
yeah, but note how subjective it is
16:05:51 [AaronSw]
it's not subjective at all, there are well known algorithms: http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/~algorith/files/graph-isomorphism.shtml
16:05:57 [AaronSw]
Jeremy Carroll has a paper on it
16:06:07 [sbp]
"My colleague David Karger (if I understand correctly) explains that this is in fact a class of difficult problem cannot be solved in polynomial time but which has not been shown to be NP complete."
16:06:22 [AaronSw]
that just means it's hard, not subjective
16:06:33 [sbp]
ah, but...
16:06:43 [sbp]
"I suspect that there is an interesting subset of real cases in which there are a mixture of named and unnamed nodes, but one never goes very far from a named node."
16:07:15 [sbp]
so you'd end up suiting it to certain mixed graphs
16:07:26 [AaronSw]
yeah, but in practicality it doesn't seem like the graphs are so large that you really need an optimized algorithm like that
16:07:32 [AaronSw]
i mean, jjc's java code works fine
16:07:38 [AaronSw]
qand that's java ;)
16:07:42 [sbp]
heh, heh
16:10:07 [sbp]
shlex: 0m18.316s; regexp: 0m2.274s
16:10:24 [sbp]
and shlex produced only a third of the output, so I think it borked something up
16:10:48 [AaronSw]
I feel like I've created a regexp monster.
16:10:55 [sbp]
lol!
16:12:32 [sbp]
my mistake; they both gave 8100ish triples
16:12:50 [sbp]
but the regexp is still about 9 times faster
16:15:14 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw simplifies TODL
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--
16:15:30 [AaronSw]
document::=line*
16:15:30 [AaronSw]
line::=triple eoln
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triple::=identifier space identifier space identifier space '.'
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--
16:16:50 [AaronSw]
Hm, should I combine those?
16:18:02 [sbp]
document = ( line eoln ) *, perhaps
16:18:15 [rik]
i would have done document ::= lines
16:18:17 [sbp]
s/line/triple/
16:18:24 [rik]
lines ::= line | line lines
16:18:40 [sbp]
ew
16:18:47 [rik]
or similar.
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16:26:17 [AaronSw]
grep -v "^#" should delete comments...
16:26:59 [AaronSw]
--
16:26:59 [AaronSw]
document::=( triple eoln )*
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triple::=subject space predicate space object space '.'
16:26:59 [AaronSw]
--
16:29:48 [AaronSw]
Sandro: 'Printable ASCII is quite stable. Unicode is less so. For example imagine one version of Unicode7 has \Udeadbeef being a smiley face and in Unicode8 it's a frown. How does on print "Hello \Udeadbeef"?'
16:29:49 [sbp]
why spo?
16:30:12 [AaronSw]
i put back in spo because i think the idea is that the productions are supposed to indicate the results of the parse
16:30:26 [AaronSw]
getting back a list of identifiers isn't helpful, but a list of spos is more so.
16:30:30 [AaronSw]
hm, maybe i'm off there
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16:34:28 [AaronSw]
hm, "dead" is a "Low Surrogate"
16:35:54 [sbp]
Gotta run
16:37:16 [deltab]
\U is followed by 8 hex digits
16:37:28 [deltab]
\u is followed by four
16:38:55 [AaronSw]
ah. wonder how to type that on os x
16:39:09 [AaronSw]
>>> print u"\Udeadbeef"
16:39:09 [AaronSw]
UnicodeError: Unicode-Escape decoding error: illegal Unicode character
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16:40:08 [deltab]
the UTC and their ISO counterpart have agreed never to use above U+10FFFF
16:41:46 [deltab]
>>> u'\U0010ffff'
16:41:47 [deltab]
u'\U0010ffff'
16:41:47 [deltab]
>>> u'\U00110000'
16:41:47 [deltab]
UnicodeError: Unicode-Escape decoding error: illegal Unicode character
16:42:17 [AaronSw]
why the restriction?
16:42:26 [AaronSw]
i guess 1048575 characters is enough...
16:43:20 [deltab]
that's the highest UTF-16 can handle
16:43:52 [AaronSw]
I thought UTF-16 had only 65536 chars...
16:44:04 [deltab]
that's UCS-2
16:44:42 [deltab]
those "surrogates" are used in pairs to identify non-BMP characters
16:44:47 [AaronSw]
BMP?
16:45:05 [deltab]
base multilingual plane, the first 65536 chars
16:46:03 [AaronSw]
interesting. is there somewhere i can read up on all this?
16:46:28 [jillium]
rowr.
16:46:32 [jillium]
* jillium just slept for ten hours.
16:46:42 [AaronSw]
nice
16:46:44 [AaronSw]
.time pst
16:46:46 [xena]
May 5, 2002 9:46 am US/Pacific
16:47:10 [rik]
* rik pounces on warm jill-shaped creature
16:47:10 [deltab]
.google kuhn unicode
16:47:14 [xena]
kuhn unicode: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html
16:47:37 [deltab]
and there's unicode.org of course
16:47:45 [jillium]
* jillium blinks and tries to remember how to pet rik. OH, yeah, like that...
16:48:12 [rik]
* rik lifts chin and dons feline smile
16:49:42 [AaronSw]
thanks
16:50:01 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw collects stuff for Hawaii trip
16:53:06 [AaronSw]
Woo, first contract software job. This feels so much like a scifi novel for some reason.
16:55:14 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw uploads photos from Friday
16:55:29 [AaronSw]
it was so beautiful outside. the light felt straight out of some movie set
16:56:53 [AaronSw]
"summer" it screamed with luscious hues
17:05:24 [AaronSw]
http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/summer2002/
17:22:47 [AaronSw]
Hm, I wonder if I have a WaveLan card to stick in my powerbook.
17:23:04 [AaronSw]
"Once downstairs, the Wavelan card consistently showed one more 'dot' of signal strength than the internal Airport card."
17:23:06 [AaronSw]
- http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/powerbook_g4/PB_G4_impressions.html
17:29:40 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw nabs a WaveLAN Silver, downloads http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/wirelessdriver/WirelessDriverBeta4.sit
17:29:42 [AaronSw]
hm, 404
17:30:15 [walloper]
<robster> *boing*
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17:30:43 [walloper]
<robster> hehehe =)
17:31:13 [walloper]
<robster> <jbailey> There's a drink called "boing that you can buy in New York. It's ingredients include "Concentrated Boing"
17:31:38 [AaronSw]
ah: http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/wirelessdriver/WirelessDriverBeta4.dmg.gz
17:32:04 [AaronSw]
oh great, it kernel panics if you remove and reinsert the card
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xia lives!
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17:38:50 [AaronSw]
um, heh
17:40:48 [AaronSw]
<iAaron> does this mean jill can unplug munin?
17:40:48 [AaronSw]
<tav> ehm
17:40:48 [AaronSw]
<tav> not yet
17:43:18 [AaronSw]
I wonder if it's save to reboot for this driver
17:47:35 [AaronSw]
I never really wanted to be an espian. I always wanted to be... a lumberjack!
17:47:59 [jillium]
Oh, I'm an espian and I'm OK!
17:48:04 [jillium]
I work all night and I sleep all day!
17:48:24 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw giggles
17:49:02 [AaronSw]
I crash new servers, I write my code
17:49:04 [AaronSw]
I rmdir lost+found
17:49:21 [AaronSw]
On sunday's I go bowling,
17:49:42 [AaronSw]
And convert dollars to punds
17:49:48 [AaronSw]
s/punds/pounds/
17:51:12 [deltab]
hahahah
17:52:33 [AaronSw]
I better stop before I get beaten up.
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* AaronSw reboots for wavelan
18:43:48 [AaronSw]
hm, reboot was painless
18:44:39 [AaronSw]
it's alive!
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18:45:15 [AaronSw]
hm, seems to work
18:45:22 [AaronSw]
i'm at half in mom's room
18:46:05 [AaronSw]
ok, seems to work here too
18:46:13 [AaronSw]
i'm downstairs on the couch
18:46:27 [AaronSw]
now the acid test: basement
18:47:01 [AaronSw]
incredible! still 90% strength
18:48:12 [AaronSw]
definitely a keeper
18:53:54 [BenSw]
cool
18:56:15 [AaronSw]
Yeah, the signal on my PBG4 was awful with the internal AirPort card, but I swiped a WaveLAN and now it's _way_ better
18:57:02 [AaronSw]
"This wasn't, after all, an audience of 14-year-olds who think The Scorpion King is, well, the best ever; this is an audience of writers and writing teachers and English professors, and Hayles is struggling to explain to them that the fact that Charlie Chaplin movies all look old doesn't mean they're no good anymore."
19:00:08 [AaronSw]
"Hypertext begins with Ted Nelson's white book with a clenched fist and the motto: You Can And Must Understand Computers Now. Computer For The People! We used to worry about fitting the computer in the basement, and what we'd do to help people who didn't have a basement. Now, we agonize over whether we can bother upgrading our browser or agonize that we weren't born knowing Flash and Tinderbox and PHP."
19:00:11 [AaronSw]
both my Mark Bernstein
19:05:57 [sbp]
* sbp waves
19:06:02 [sbp]
lol @ "I'm an espian and I'm OK!"
19:06:11 [jillium]
* jillium waves.
19:07:43 [sbp]
hey there
19:07:52 [sbp]
Chirac's been re-elected...
19:08:15 [sbp]
unsurprisingly, but they're saying that it was a sizable majority compared to the predictions
19:09:23 [jillium]
but the predictions were of a sizeable majority.,
19:09:52 [quasi]
exit polls say 82%
19:10:03 [sbp]
well, Le Pen said that anything less than 30% for him would be crushing
19:10:08 [sbp]
and he got 17.2%, IIRC
19:10:12 [jillium]
so Le Pen got about the same percentage he got in the first round.
19:10:43 [sbp]
yeah. to me, I still think Le Pen got an awful lot of votes
19:10:53 [quasi]
yeah, but probably with less voters this time
19:10:57 [sbp]
ugh, the redundancies!
19:11:21 [jillium]
I read that the percentage of voter Le Pen has been getting has been essentially the same for a few elections now.
19:12:08 [sbp]
sounds plausible
19:13:03 [quasi]
jillium: I think there were about twice as many this time
19:13:18 [jillium]
twice as many which in what?
19:13:25 [jillium]
voters in the second election than the first?
19:13:43 [sbp]
come on now people, cite sources!
19:13:50 [jillium]
The Economist.
19:14:05 [sbp]
if it doesn't have a URI, it doesn't exist
19:14:08 [sbp]
or a URI-ref
19:14:17 [jillium]
It exists on paper in my bedroom.
19:14:40 [sbp]
frankly, I'm surprised at you, since you're the person what got 10 hours of sleep last night
19:14:47 [sbp]
innit?
19:15:09 [quasi]
* quasi gives up - french politics are about as interesting as banging your head into the wall ;)
19:15:17 [sbp]
Hmm... if your bedroom had a URI and a representation of it had a MIME type...
19:15:35 [sbp]
and that MIME type had a fragment scheme associated with it...
19:16:00 [quasi]
or you could just distribute as in the IP via Avian Carriers RFC ;)
19:16:17 [sbp]
* sbp fails to see how that would help
19:16:30 [jillium]
* jillium whistles for the pigeons.
19:16:39 [sbp]
rik'll get 'em!
19:16:52 [jillium]
* jillium did get 10 hours of sleep last night, and is still glad.
19:16:57 [quasi]
sbp: strap the magazine around the leg of a large pigeon
19:17:11 [sbp]
how does that let me identify it with a URI-ref?
19:17:30 [jillium]
the first step is getting it online.
19:17:32 [quasi]
* quasi read somewhere that it was unhealty to sleep more than 8 hours
19:17:47 [jillium]
quasi: not if you slept 3 hours each of the two nights before.
19:17:56 [sbp]
uh oh, Jill, go to the doctors!
19:18:06 [jillium]
emergency room!
19:18:11 [sbp]
heh, heh
19:18:17 [quasi]
sbp: so that it would be http://localdesk/ (for you that is ;)
19:18:22 [sbp]
10ccs of caffeine, stat!
19:20:09 [jillium]
and I only woke up in panic once last night, and managed to get back to sleep pretty quickly.
19:20:39 [sbp]
Um... *only* once?
19:21:00 [jillium]
the night before it was twice, and I couldn't get back to sleep for hours.
19:21:09 [sbp]
ah
19:21:55 [sbp]
were you frightened that you were going to get more than 8 hours of sleep, perhaps? :-)
19:22:24 [jillium]
Hee.
19:22:27 [jillium]
:-)
19:27:20 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waves
19:27:32 [AaronSw]
Anyone have some good examples of CSS typography?
19:27:42 [sbp]
the CSS homepages!
19:28:03 [AaronSw]
ugh, it's disgusting
19:29:26 [AaronSw]
Hm, http://www.w3.org/Fonts/
19:29:31 [AaronSw]
I didn't know about www-font
19:30:21 [sbp]
"Last updated 6 Mar 1996"
19:33:33 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw posts his typography rant
19:34:44 [AaronSw]
http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000246
19:35:26 [AaronSw]
B:|Emergent Music
19:35:45 [chumpy]
titled item B
19:36:51 [AaronSw]
Argh, someone thru away the Eastgate invoice :(
19:49:15 [davb]
AaronSw: its not about antialiasing fonts? its about low resolution displays.
19:49:31 [davb]
oops. it is not about antialiasing fonts. not a question :)
19:50:51 [davb]
but also most pre-installed fonts suck (windows and linux anyway)
19:52:47 [AaronSw]
i don't believe it's about low-resolution displays
19:53:02 [AaronSw]
everyone i know has a decent resolution
19:53:12 [AaronSw]
i believe the bit about fonts. os x comes with some great ones
19:55:07 [sbp]
I wonder why Jefferson et al. were so much more intelligent in general than the politicians of today?
19:55:31 [AaronSw]
They probably didn't have to go to school.
19:55:36 [AaronSw]
Ooh, great news! http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,52298,00.html
19:55:37 [sbp]
bwahaha!
19:56:08 [sbp]
oh, that is good
19:56:13 [sbp]
Gotta run
19:58:16 [AaronSw]
@ http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=198
19:58:47 [chumpy]
C: http://research.yale.edu/lawmeme/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=198 from AaronSw
19:58:59 [AaronSw]
C::On Kellner: "If I were Turner, I would seriously consider firing this guy."
19:59:17 [chumpy]
commented item C
19:59:31 [AaronSw]
C::Kellner is the Turner CEO who says that people who skip past commercials are theives.
19:59:49 [chumpy]
commented item C
20:00:16 [AaronSw]
C:|LawMeme: Top Ten New Copyright Crimes
20:00:32 [chumpy]
titled item C
20:06:50 [BenSw]
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20:07:29 [AaronSw]
ha! 'I've been running a personal website for about six years now. You should see the ladies' faces light up when I casually drop that little nugget at a kegger or outside the dressing rooms at Old Navy. Their voices get husky, they twist their frosted curls around suggestive fingers, jot their numbers on my bare chest just in case I need someone to do some "freelance QA work," you know how it is.'
20:07:47 [AaronSw]
this guy clearly comes from the Morbus Iff school of writing
20:15:07 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw heads off to bike ride to Ben and Jerry's
20:18:55 [BenSw]
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20:19:32 [BenSw]
.google tav screenshot
20:19:33 [xena]
tav screenshot: http://lists.espra.net/pipermail/espra-dev/2001-March/000270.html
20:19:40 [BenSw]
.google tav screenshot espians
20:19:40 [xena]
tav screenshot espians: http://lists.espra.net/pipermail/espra-dev/2001-March/000270.html
20:20:00 [BenSw]
ah: http://tav.espians.com/screenshots/desktop_2001_12_15.png
20:21:46 [BenSw]
* BenSw changes backround to "Night Sky"
20:23:23 [BenSw]
* BenSw changes font size to 14
20:23:35 [BenSw]
"Oh, I can see that. And grandma could see that too..."
20:23:49 [BenSw]
* BenSw rides off with AaronSw
20:24:04 [wmf]
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20:24:12 [wmf]
lol, nice topic
20:26:12 [AaronSw]
off on a bike ride. laters.
20:26:15 [wmf]
nice haircut
20:26:17 [AaronSw]
thanks
20:26:25 [AaronSw]
gotta run
20:29:19 [wmf]
re: church and state, are you doing some Harrumph-wannabe thing? :-)
20:44:07 [rik]
* rik returns, in a pigeon chasing mood.
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21:16:13 [Ash]
HEH
21:23:01 [sbp]
* sbp waves
21:23:05 [sbp]
blargh @ <AaronSw> Argh, someone thru away the Eastgate invoice :(
21:23:27 [sbp]
heh @ Kellner
21:26:28 [redmonk]
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21:26:49 [sbp]
Hi there rm
21:27:27 [redmonk]
hi sbp
21:27:29 [redmonk]
hello
21:27:30 [redmonk]
all
21:28:49 [redmonk]
who's actually here today?
21:28:55 [redmonk]
irc is not really good for presence management
21:29:02 [deltab]
I'm over there
21:29:11 [redmonk]
since idle and away are not really available or easy to use
21:29:20 [sbp]
I'm more over yonder, I suppose
21:29:21 [redmonk]
hi db
21:29:38 [redmonk]
maybe i should have said,
21:29:54 [redmonk]
who is here, for localized values of 'here'
21:30:05 [sbp]
in that case, everyone is here
21:30:20 [Ash]
I'm sitting at a desk
21:30:24 [redmonk]
hi ash
21:30:24 [Ash]
in front of a computer
21:30:28 [Ash]
hey redmonk, what's up?
21:30:33 [redmonk]
not much
21:30:35 [redmonk]
relaxing
21:30:37 [Ash]
cool
21:30:38 [redmonk]
on the couch
21:30:42 [redmonk]
via 802.11
21:30:48 [redmonk]
and the tibook
21:30:59 [sbp]
just swhackin' on the sofa, eh?
21:31:04 [redmonk]
yep
21:31:18 [redmonk]
we went to sedona, az yesterday
21:31:22 [redmonk]
hiking.
21:31:28 [redmonk]
man, it was beautiful
21:31:32 [sbp]
.google sedona Arizona hiking trails
21:31:34 [xena]
sedona Arizona hiking trails: http://www.azcentral.com/travel/arizona/outdoors/
21:31:40 [redmonk]
i should download the upload the pics
21:32:24 [Ash]
oh, sweet!
21:32:30 [Ash]
sedona rocks
21:32:35 [Ash]
How close are you to sedona?
21:32:45 [redmonk]
two hours
21:33:06 [redmonk]
iphoto import ing the pics now
21:33:14 [Ash]
cool
21:33:17 [redmonk]
yeah
21:33:25 [Ash]
I haven't been down there, but my folks have been many times.
21:33:31 [Ash]
It's not too far from southern utah.
21:33:40 [redmonk]
is that where you're form?
21:33:43 [redmonk]
er, from?
21:33:46 [sbp]
heh, what a neat way to start a bit of AZ PR: "Arizona is much more than desert."
21:33:47 [redmonk]
or, living?
21:34:02 [Ash]
redmonk: Yeah, I grew up in Hurricane, UT.
21:34:07 [Ash]
Right by St. George
21:34:15 [Ash]
about 20 mi. from st. george
21:34:16 [redmonk]
cool
21:34:17 [Ash]
yeah
21:34:29 [Ash]
I've been living other places since high school, though.
21:34:37 [Ash]
Ooh, time for me to get cleaning. BBL
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Hello folks
21:35:14 [redmonk]
lo syn
21:35:22 [redmonk]
i don't think we've been introduced
21:35:48 [redmonk]
i'm redmonk, of redmonk.net, slinger of java, coder of webobjects, python newbie, web greybeard
21:35:56 [sbp]
he sounds so excited. His wife must read these logs
21:36:04 [syn|ack]
hi redmonk
21:36:09 [redmonk]
hheh
21:36:37 [redmonk]
aka rm, sid, or steve
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21:39:10 [wmf]
hey, redmonk is here
21:42:13 [sbp]
whaa! so much lag
21:42:13 [sbp]
hey, you never told us your name was sid :-)
21:42:13 [sbp]
.google davka
21:42:15 [xena]
davka: http://www.davka.com/
21:42:20 [sbp]
odd: the IRC connection has totally freaked out, but HTTP is fine
21:42:36 [redmonk]
heh
21:42:42 [redmonk]
sid is an old nick
21:43:00 [redmonk]
also what i use for my username on 'nix boxes
21:45:12 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waves
21:46:19 [redmonk]
hi aaron
21:46:32 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw blogs wmf
21:46:36 [sbp]
hey there
21:46:49 [sbp]
y'know, we ought to hold a biannual swhack get-together
21:47:07 [redmonk]
that would be sweet
21:47:33 [sbp]
we should all go to Vegas or something
21:47:57 [redmonk]
heh
21:48:07 [AaronSw]
redmonk, i grabbed a wavelan and tibook wireless performance went way up
21:49:01 [AaronSw]
sbp, why'd you google for davka?
21:49:14 [AaronSw]
Ugh, gotta run and pick up Noah
21:49:20 [redmonk]
what's a wavelan?
21:49:29 [AaronSw]
pcmcia airport card
21:49:29 [redmonk]
wireless pccard?
21:49:32 [redmonk]
ah
21:49:32 [AaronSw]
yeah
21:49:38 [redmonk]
bettwe than apple's huh?
21:49:39 [AaronSw]
i can now go to the furthest depths of my basement
21:49:45 [redmonk]
heh
21:49:46 [AaronSw]
yeah, apple's drops out as soon as i go downstairs
21:49:47 [redmonk]
sweet
21:49:55 [redmonk]
well i only have on floor
21:49:58 [redmonk]
er,
21:50:00 [redmonk]
one floor
21:50:09 [AaronSw]
yeah, but i figure it'll be good in hawaii and etcon
21:50:15 [AaronSw]
Gotta run
21:58:19 [sbp]
<AaronSw> sbp, why'd you google for davka?
21:58:22 [sbp]
Davka :-)
21:59:51 [sbp]
<AaronSw> yeah, apple's drops out as soon as i go downstairs
22:00:21 [sbp]
well, that's Apple merchandise for you... *ahem*
22:00:32 [sbp]
Gotta run
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23:47:18 [AaronSw]
RobbB cannot sit still
23:47:20 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.usercreations.com/spring/
23:47:54 [chumpy]
D: http://www.usercreations.com/spring/ from AaronSw
23:48:02 [AaronSw]
D:|Spring: Design Your Life
23:48:05 [AaronSw]
D::From RobbB
23:48:19 [chumpy]
titled item D
23:48:37 [chumpy]
commented item D
23:51:36 [AaronSw]
D::"Spring PR1 is expected to be available in about two weeks or less."
23:51:52 [chumpy]
commented item D
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23:52:48 [AaronSw]
RobbB's been talking about this for a while. good to see
23:53:08 [wmf]
D::hey, he's got good taste in music
23:53:25 [chumpy]
commented item D
23:53:47 [wmf]
so what's up with Watson?
23:54:28 [AaronSw]
i assume Dan's still working on it
23:54:38 [AaronSw]
hm, sputnix update
23:55:32 [wmf]
heh: http://www.usercreations.com/spring/contact.html
23:55:39 [AaronSw]
winwin
23:55:42 [wmf]
yep
23:59:35 [wmf]
I guess now if I want to talk about the Spring OS I'll have to say "the Spring OS" instead of "Spring"