00:00:45 heh: "When Macromedia has news, they light the sky with it. Adobe buries the juice in a PDF file twelve levels below their front page." 00:00:53 - http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0402d.html#shoes 00:01:06 heh 00:02:05 "Panic in the streets! Zeldman complains structural purity is hard, says something nice about Flash MX, readers freak." 00:02:37 Does Bobby output EARL? It claims to have WCAG1 and US508 tests. 00:02:48 nope, not AFAIK 00:04:18 MorbusIff (morbus@s115.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:04:41 hee: http://www.zeldman.com/talent/photos/meryl.gif 00:04:57 GR: dinner 00:05:25 [[[ 00:05:27 [8:04] it lives: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1358 00:05:29 [8:04] read it. link to it. i rule. 00:05:32 ]]] 00:05:45 decepticons *is*! 00:05:49 @ http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1358 00:06:29 A: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1358 from sbp 00:06:39 A:|How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Decepticons 00:06:45 whooOO! 00:07:00 titled item A 00:07:50 A::The minty fresh Apache authoritae Kevin Hemenway (aka. Morbus Iff) guides you through the decepticon saga's parallel to the modern OS situation 00:08:10 commented item A 00:10:37 A::Taking seven months from writing to publication, Morbus had to lobby congress and hold five public rallies in order to get this article through the gates. He want through approximately seventy three litres of coffee whilst trying to get it published. He hopes you like it 00:10:59 commented item A 00:11:18 heh, heh. oh man, that's funny crap. 00:11:21 73 liters of coffee corresponds to how many flushes? 00:11:25 i'm gonna include that in my intro to other people ;) 00:11:34 heh, heh! 00:13:18 sbp, check yo' email. 00:14:00 er, eventually. 00:14:00 slow sending. 00:14:01 ooh, a big virus. neat 00:14:11 heh, I guess that's not it then :-) 00:14:33 * jillzilla watches as a big viral hand reaches out of the monitor and pulls sbp in. 00:14:35 Oh, dear. 00:14:38 That's quite the virus. 00:15:00 yah! 00:15:09 jillzilla: link to it on the google mainpage. 00:15:09 puhllleease. 00:15:16 lol 00:15:17 * jillzilla makes a note never to accept mail from Morbus again. 00:15:33 I haven't got the damn thing yet, where is it? 00:15:49 you want me to send you an email? 00:15:49 sbp, should be coming soon 00:15:51 I want my Daily Morbus fix! 00:16:06 * sbp buggers about with eep3 00:16:08 heh, heh. 00:16:11 Morbus has quit (No route to host) 00:38:35 * AaronSw waves 00:38:40 * sbp waves 00:39:20 * MorbusIff sines 00:40:42 I am let down. 00:40:49 It does not live up to the massive HYPE! 00:41:01 what's that? 00:41:08 Ginger/IT was ages ago! Get over it 00:41:18 nick Morbus 00:41:18 pff. 00:41:22 So it turned out to be Segway... so what? 00:41:24 MorbusIff is now known as Morbus 00:41:37 It's just... disappointing. 00:41:38 it's still a transportation revolution even if it can't fly! 00:41:54 the segway sucks ass 00:42:01 they should call it the obesifier 00:42:09 since it makes you fat from not walking anymore 00:42:12 bwahahahj 00:42:15 Morbus! Article is up?? 00:42:35 yeah, the transformer one. 00:42:38 http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1358 00:42:44 dude, you rock 00:43:15 oh? 00:43:54 well, at getting these articles written 00:44:02 is it linked to anywhere else on the site? *g* 00:44:16 new sputnix out. 00:44:21 ash, its linked on the main page, in the lower right somewhere. 00:44:25 sweet 00:44:28 other than that, no. 00:44:28 ;) 00:44:32 So how's this a weblog if you have to get approval and stuff? 00:44:32 hehe 00:44:35 FRONT PAGE PLACEMENT! 00:44:41 WELCOME TO THE BIG BROTHER WEBLOG 00:44:48 PLZ BURN ALL BOOKS THX 00:44:49 huh? no, I don't have to on the weblog. 00:45:03 weblog I can post whatever I want. 00:45:04 Hehehe. 00:45:05 dear crumbubble! 00:45:08 Well, back ina minute 00:45:09 which starts running the "trust its technology" issue. 00:45:11 it is on the first page! 00:45:23 sbp: well, it would be. 00:45:29 but i'm talking about my big head being there. 00:45:30 right under "No Groove Salad Today" 00:45:38 heh, heh 00:46:19 it'd scare away visitors... 00:46:25 yeah, i need a big head. 00:46:31 it will NOT scare away visitors. 00:46:32 dammit. 00:46:44 you don't want me to smile. 00:46:44 at least they digitally erased the frying pan... 00:46:47 i look like a fucking deranged clown 00:46:52 heheh, yeah, they did. bitches. 00:48:34 where my email, then? 00:49:14 i have no clue. 00:49:15 i sent it out a while ago 00:49:33 do you have filters on wheter your email appears in the To: field? 00:49:53 nope 00:50:24 whoo hoo! 00:51:56 argh, what was the font I was using... 00:56:19 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:59:04 Ah, guess it was Georgia 01:01:09 * Morbus reads AaronSw's SYS 01:02:37 waitaminute. 01:02:37 [[[ 01:02:37 If you subscribed since then, you'll have to sign up again. My 01:02:37 apologies. 01:02:37 ]]] 01:02:44 how are people who are no longer subscribed goign to read that? 01:02:55 on the site 01:03:03 oh. i suppose. 01:04:30 * AaronSw checks thru his bounces folder 01:05:11 well, cwmclone is working (reasonably) nicely 01:05:25 which is nice 01:10:37 Hm, I'm beginning to wonder about bijan's MF article. 01:10:58 I just assumed "prima facie" meant bad, but then I looked it up. 01:11:29 it just a fancy phrase for "initial" 01:12:35 Yeah, but that makes no sense. 01:13:16 Ooh, M-GET is neat! 01:13:35 hello 01:13:45 hi 01:13:57 M-GET? 01:14:26 yeeeeah! I fixed the serialization problem 01:14:31 It's like GET, but has headers you're required to understand 01:14:39 part of HTTP-ext 01:15:21 argh, i hate it when i delete potentially important email 01:15:27 heh, heh 01:15:30 I do that too 01:15:41 * jillzilla makes a note never to send mail to AaronSw or sbp. 01:15:51 not often, mind. once every wekk or two 01:15:52 hey! i didn't delete it permanently 01:16:01 i'm going to get it back 01:16:14 i never delete any of my email permanently 01:16:23 Wow, the intro theme for O'Reilly's audio roundtable is incredibly cheesy MIDI. 01:16:40 heh, cheesy MIDI is great 01:16:42 Do you have CRACKERS to go with that CHEESE? 01:17:03 When did jillzilla become Zippy the Pinhead? 01:17:11 YOW! 01:17:13 * AaronSw ducks 01:17:20 jillzippy 01:17:20 Zippy rocks. 01:17:27 jillzilla is now known as jillzippy 01:17:31 heh 01:17:40 ZtP doesn't beat Pokey the Penguin. 01:17:55 I was disappointed, I thought ZtP was machine-written. 01:21:57 * sbp wonders what's on the other channels 01:22:17 there are other channels? 01:22:37 hello 01:22:41 hi J 01:22:45 of course. there's always... #infoanarchy! 01:24:43 Jon Udell: "For each project you have a set of documents, some communication channels, and uh, a set of documents." 01:34:56 AaronSw, can you look at an RSS 1.0 scrape for me. 01:34:59 make sure it's all set. 01:35:01 sure 01:37:32 whoa, gamegrene.com is rackin up the apache modules: Server: Apache/1.3.17 (Unix) PHP/4.1.2 mod_watch/3.10 mod_perl/1.26 mod_ssl/2.8.0 OpenSSL/0.9.6 (Using iHTML/2.20) 01:37:41 yeah, that's right bitch. 01:37:46 i be your apache muthafucking master ;) 01:38:28 * jillzippy remembers when choric all but dared her to say "motherfucking". 01:38:38 did you say it? 01:39:23 I did. I said that I was thinking of going out for Indian food, but that when I was in Toronto I had the best motherfucking Indian buffet that had ever passed my lips, so I was hesitating. 01:39:28 choric was amused. 01:41:05 wow, Jill's turned into Madonna 01:41:52 sbp: It was only the once. 01:46:49 Oh wow, words I never expected to hear: 01:46:54 <[deleted]> Darn shame this is written in Python. 01:46:59 <[deleted]> Python is even more gibberish to me than, say, C++. 01:47:06 <[deleted]> If it were perl, I could at least read through and know what it's doing. 01:47:31 wow 01:47:39 wha? 01:47:39 what a weirdo 01:47:43 heh, heh. 01:48:02 referring to the chumpbot 01:48:57 talli (~chatzilla@talli.dialup.access.net) has joined #swhack 01:51:32 hey guys 01:52:34 anyone know enough about BEEP to answer a few basic questions? rather a single basic question? 01:52:41 maybe 01:52:55 what's the question 01:53:21 if i understand correctly, BEEP is a rather basic protocol spec 01:53:27 a sort of super-set 01:53:45 so can one implement some layers in BEEP so that it can speak HTTP? 01:54:00 is that even a reasonably question or am i way off? 01:54:08 I think that's pretty off-the-wall. 01:54:21 the beginning part was ok, tho 01:54:32 ok 01:54:50 BEEP sort of specifies a protocol for things to send XML back and forht 01:54:59 but if one uses the BEEP protocol, can it be used in lie of an HTTP server? 01:55:05 ah, ok 01:55:13 Yeah, BEEP is the kind of thing that might replace HTTP 01:55:21 ok 01:55:26 i meant lieu, btw 01:56:18 so if one had a BEEP application, he would use BEEP to fire XML back and forth and if he needed to fire something via HTTP he would use a web server like Apache? 01:57:11 If he's using Apache it's not much of a BEEP application, is it? 01:57:40 i mean for Momentum 01:57:51 CAP specifies BEEP 01:58:12 which makes sense if it's for shooting XML back and forth, or rather structured docs 01:58:39 Ah. So for Momentum you might have an HTTP interface where you send out calendars to people who request, and an additional BEEP interface where you do some weird sort of XML messaging secret moves for some purpose... 01:58:41 but if there's an instance where one needs to use a web based app, like OACS or Zope, then i imagine that one uses AOLserver or Apache 01:59:26 well, for user agents, like Outlook, Mozcal or Evolution, BEEP might be the preferred way of communicating 01:59:37 if they speak some form of structured XML-ish thingie, right? 01:59:49 Well you can send structured XML over HTTP. 02:00:10 true 02:00:14 but the CAP spec is... 02:00:16 The major difference is HTTP is request-response, and BEEP is a longer conversationy thingy involving multiple channels and stuff 02:00:32 right 02:00:39 i don't know why the CAP people picked BEEP 02:00:48 anyway, gotta go eat 02:00:51 thanks for the tips 02:00:51 I thought you gave up on CAP... 02:00:54 appreciate it 02:00:58 no prob 02:00:59 well, sort of. 02:01:04 CAP does need to be supported 02:01:10 either immediately or in the future 02:01:22 anyway, thanks 02:01:24 bbl 02:01:25 surre 02:01:30 err sure 02:03:14 Gotta run 02:08:53 um, ok: bottom line is if there wasn't java and python we'd have the evolutionarily corrupt situation where semplesh and neurogrid were one 02:16:31 woops, lost another disk. 02:16:35 AaronSw: what do you suggest I use for a when the feed doesn't have one? there are multiple links in the (which would normally be strippe dout) 02:16:50 lost another disk? did it go down the disposall or something? 02:17:11 Morbus, what's the feed? 02:17:20 classicgaming.com 02:17:24 http://www.classicgaming.com/ 02:17:39 Effectively. oodles of I/O errors. 02:19:20 jillzippyyyyyyyy 02:19:30 Assssssssssh 02:19:36 How are you this evening? 02:19:43 spacey. you? 02:19:51 * jillzippy torments the crawl. 02:19:54 I just got done playing some Super mario 3 with veronica 02:20:03 Morbus, all the news appears to be from gamespydaily... or are you scraping something else? 02:20:04 hehehehehe 02:20:08 now i'm installing a new version of gaim that is hopefully not as evil 02:20:21 and i just got spam coming to my cell phone 02:20:23 i am so pissed 02:20:43 since I use my cell phone email address for my alerting software at work 02:20:44 heh, cellphone spam 02:20:59 so now who knows if it's spam or my servers crashing 02:21:19 AaronSw: checking 02:22:37 it appears i can just use the gamespy stuff. 02:22:45 but I still have to worry about the 02:23:26 hmm. 02:23:30 i can't find one of the items that's on classicgaming. 02:25:33 I found it hilarious that dwiner was linking to rebuttals to the whole allaire thing, but the link was broken since the radio site was down 02:25:33 ahahah 02:26:17 tansaku_x has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all") 02:29:10 jeremiah has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.6 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc1/20020417]") 02:30:51 talli has left #swhack 02:31:53 all wmf's images are gone too 02:32:00 they were just deleted, apparently 02:32:12 "Hack the Planet"??? must be a virus 02:32:36 AaronSw: Yes, userland suxor 02:32:39 Morbus, well they sort have URLs: http://www.gamespydaily.com/news/archive/standard.asp?month=5&day=1&year=2002 02:33:07 For hell's sake, if you ever want to be taken seriously as a company, please take care of the servers that provide your service! 02:33:08 Or rather: http://www.gamespydaily.com/news/archive/standard.asp?month=5&day=1&year=2002#PQN365359 02:33:09 i'm gonna try and do: http://www.gamespydaily.com/news/raw/index.asp?genre=0&hours=24 02:33:10 K PLZ THX 02:33:47 where are you sing the #? it's not showing in the index.asp URL. 02:34:01 it's in the HTML 02:34:07 unfortunately the don't link to it :( 02:34:15 yeah, i'm looking at the source, i mean. 02:34:36 hm, you'r eright. it isn't in the index.asp 02:34:42 http://www.somethingawful.com/photoshop/cereal/Luxmore_lies.jpg 02:38:13 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:46:50 .rehash 02:46:55 .google plex 02:46:57 plex: http://www.plex.nl/ 02:47:04 .google googleplex 02:47:05 googleplex: http://www.googleplex.com/ 02:47:25 .google a glimpse inside google 02:47:25 a: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Da%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DI&q=stocks:A+ 02:47:59 oops 02:48:00 .rehash 02:48:03 .google a glimpse inside google 02:48:04 a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex 02:48:52 odd 02:49:05 http://www.google.com/jobs/images/chef.jpg 02:49:36 ta da! 02:51:20 .rehash 02:51:23 .google a glimpse inside google 02:51:23 a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex 02:52:01 .rehash 02:52:03 .google a glimpse inside google 02:52:04 a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex 02:52:14 .rehash 02:52:14 .google a glimpse inside google 02:52:16 a:- http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Da%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DI&q=stocks:A+ 02:52:55 argh, how mysterious 02:53:02 .rehash 02:53:03 argh, how mysterious 02:53:06 .google a glimpse inside google 02:53:06 a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex 02:53:32 Odd, when I add [1:] to the code, it stops calling my function 02:53:43 when i replace it with [1] it works fine 02:53:52 what's the line? 02:53:58 query = text.split()[1:] 02:54:14 where text is ".google a glimpse inside google" 02:55:09 is there another way to write that? 02:55:47 [1:len(text)], i guess 02:55:48 .rehash 02:55:50 where text is ".google a glimpse inside google" 02:55:54 .google a glimpse inside google 02:55:55 a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex 02:55:57 It works for me in the interpreter. 02:56:04 >>> text.split()[1:] 02:56:04 ['a', 'glimpse', 'inside', 'google'] 02:56:11 ah! 02:56:33 i need to join them with a space 02:56:37 .rehash 02:56:39 .google a glimpse inside google 02:56:40 a glimpse inside google:- http://www.google.com/plex/ 02:56:43 ha! 02:57:12 .rehash 02:57:15 .google a glimpse inside google 02:57:16 a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex/ 02:57:22 alright 02:57:24 .dtrt foo bar 02:57:27 foo bar: http://www.google.com/search?q=foo+bar 02:57:35 .acronym fop baz 02:57:36 fop baz: 02:57:52 * AaronSw bows 02:57:53 .google 02:57:54 : http://www.google.com/search?btnI=1&q= 02:58:07 dtrt? 02:58:17 .google do the right thing gerald 02:58:18 do the right thing gerald: http://impressive.net/services/dtrt/ 02:58:53 .rehash 02:58:54 .google 02:58:55 : http://www.google.com/search?btnI=1&q= 02:58:58 .dtrt 02:59:00 : http://impressive.net/services/dtrt/ 02:59:05 .help google 02:59:06 usage: google 02:59:07 - returns the first result from querying Google.com. 02:59:19 eh, close enough 03:02:56 hm: 'Please do not write to Google to request permission to "meta-search" Google for a research project, as such requests will not be granted.' 03:03:22 Where is that page? I was looking for it. 03:03:27 http://www.google.com/terms_of_service.html 03:03:35 AHA! 03:03:36 It doesn't seem to have anything against xena-style bots... 03:03:52 Not when they use the apis, but page-scraping is not acceptable. 03:03:56 although they don't define any of their odd "quoted" terms 03:04:21 which restriction would xena-page-scraping fall under? 03:05:15 No Automated Querying, via a clause that doesn't seem to be here any more. Wait, I think "offline" might...Hmmm, the TOS is no longer clear. 03:05:17 * jillzippy frowns. 03:05:40 I think that means they've begun allowing it. 03:06:18 I won't talk about legal matters on a logged channel. 03:06:29 the Personal Use section above bans reformatting 03:06:46 ah 03:07:23 ah, thanks. that's it. 03:07:53 I'm relieved. 03:08:03 How's munin, deltab? 03:08:22 great, thanks 03:08:37 where's munin from? 03:08:43 from? 03:08:52 er, what's it mean? where'd you get the name? 03:09:03 whoa, scary thunder outside 03:09:09 hugin and munin were the ravens that travel with Odin. 03:09:17 Their names mean Thought and Memory. 03:09:28 I have two thinkpads, hugin and munin. 03:09:29 Ah, neat. 03:09:39 Ironically, munin has considerably less RAM than hugin. 03:09:48 Heh. 03:10:04 But more hard disk space, iirc. 03:10:44 Oh! I wonder if those were the crows that attacked Dirk! 03:10:58 Dirk Gently? I bet a lot... 03:12:03 Yeah, Dirk Gently. Cool. That book didn't work very well at all for me. 03:12:25 I hated it the first time I read it and years later reread it and liked it. 03:12:30 Long Dark Teatime, though...augh. 03:12:36 That's what I'm referring to. 03:12:40 Oh. 03:12:40 I loved the first one. 03:13:06 LDTOTS made even less sense than Young Zaphod Plays It Safe. 03:13:21 havne't read that. 03:14:01 It's a short story. Found it in a all-HHGTG-books-in-one-volume thing. 03:19:21 I read about it in the alt.fan.douglas-adams FAQ, but haven't read it. 03:19:44 tansaku_x (~sam@mtl10gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 03:19:59 Hm, I should read that FAQ 03:25:28 http://interconnected.org/dirk/?object1=odin 03:25:44 heh: "Douglas Adams likes Macintoshes, and at one stage lived with one in 03:25:44 Islington " 03:26:21 ah, DIRK is great 03:26:32 I guess it's just Dirk. That's sorta confusing. 03:27:33 confusing? 03:27:48 Well it could get confused with Dirk the person. 03:27:59 what is DIRK the acronym? 03:28:08