IRC log of swhack on 2002-05-02

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:45 [AaronSw]

heh: "When Macromedia has news, they light the sky with it. Adobe buries the juice in a PDF file twelve levels below their front page."

00:00:53 [AaronSw]

- http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0402d.html#shoes

00:01:06 [sbp]

heh

00:02:05 [AaronSw]

"Panic in the streets! Zeldman complains structural purity is hard, says something nice about Flash MX, readers freak."

00:02:37 [AaronSw]

Does Bobby output EARL? It claims to have WCAG1 and US508 tests.

00:02:48 [sbp]

nope, not AFAIK

00:04:18 [MorbusIff]

MorbusIff (morbus@s115.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack

00:04:41 [AaronSw]

hee: http://www.zeldman.com/talent/photos/meryl.gif

00:04:57 [AaronSw]

GR: dinner

00:05:25 [MorbusIff]

[[[

00:05:27 [MorbusIff]

[8:04] <Morbus> it lives: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1358

00:05:29 [MorbusIff]

[8:04] <Morbus> read it. link to it. i rule.

00:05:32 [MorbusIff]

]]]

00:05:45 [sbp]

decepticons *is*!

00:05:49 [sbp]

@ http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1358

00:06:29 [chumpy]

A: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1358 from sbp

00:06:39 [sbp]

A:|How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love the Decepticons

00:06:45 [MorbusIff]

whooOO!

00:07:00 [chumpy]

titled item A

00:07:50 [sbp]

A::The minty fresh Apache authoritae Kevin Hemenway (aka. Morbus Iff) guides you through the decepticon saga's parallel to the modern OS situation

00:08:10 [chumpy]

commented item A

00:10:37 [sbp]

A::Taking seven months from writing to publication, Morbus had to lobby congress and hold five public rallies in order to get this article through the gates. He want through approximately seventy three litres of coffee whilst trying to get it published. He hopes you like it

00:10:59 [chumpy]

commented item A

00:11:18 [MorbusIff]

heh, heh. oh man, that's funny crap.

00:11:21 [jillzilla]

73 liters of coffee corresponds to how many flushes?

00:11:25 [MorbusIff]

i'm gonna include that in my intro to other people ;)

00:11:34 [sbp]

heh, heh!

00:13:18 [MorbusIff]

sbp, check yo' email.

00:14:00 [MorbusIff]

er, eventually.

00:14:00 [MorbusIff]

slow sending.

00:14:01 [sbp]

ooh, a big virus. neat

00:14:11 [sbp]

heh, I guess that's not it then :-)

00:14:33 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla watches as a big viral hand reaches out of the monitor and pulls sbp in.

00:14:35 [jillzilla]

Oh, dear.

00:14:38 [jillzilla]

That's quite the virus.

00:15:00 [MorbusIff]

yah!

00:15:09 [MorbusIff]

jillzilla: link to it on the google mainpage.

00:15:09 [MorbusIff]

puhllleease.

00:15:16 [sbp]

lol

00:15:17 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla makes a note never to accept mail from Morbus again.

00:15:33 [sbp]

I haven't got the damn thing yet, where is it?

00:15:49 [MorbusIff]

you want me to send you an email?

00:15:49 [MorbusIff]

sbp, should be coming soon

00:15:51 [sbp]

I want my Daily Morbus fix!

00:16:06 [sbp]

* sbp buggers about with eep3

00:16:08 [MorbusIff]

heh, heh.

00:16:11 [Morbus]

Morbus has quit (No route to host)

00:38:35 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves

00:38:40 [sbp]

* sbp waves

00:39:20 [MorbusIff]

* MorbusIff sines

00:40:42 [AaronSw]

I am let down.

00:40:49 [AaronSw]

It does not live up to the massive HYPE!

00:41:01 [MorbusIff]

what's that?

00:41:08 [sbp]

Ginger/IT was ages ago! Get over it

00:41:18 [MorbusIff]

nick Morbus

00:41:18 [MorbusIff]

pff.

00:41:22 [sbp]

So it turned out to be Segway... so what?

00:41:24 [MorbusIff]

MorbusIff is now known as Morbus

00:41:37 [AaronSw]

It's just... disappointing.

00:41:38 [sbp]

it's still a transportation revolution even if it can't fly!

00:41:54 [Ash]

the segway sucks ass

00:42:01 [Ash]

they should call it the obesifier

00:42:09 [Ash]

since it makes you fat from not walking anymore

00:42:12 [Morbus]

bwahahahj

00:42:15 [Ash]

Morbus! Article is up??

00:42:35 [Morbus]

yeah, the transformer one.

00:42:38 [Morbus]

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1358

00:42:44 [Ash]

dude, you rock

00:43:15 [Morbus]

oh?

00:43:54 [Ash]

well, at getting these articles written

00:44:02 [Ash]

is it linked to anywhere else on the site? *g*

00:44:16 [Morbus]

new sputnix out.

00:44:21 [Morbus]

ash, its linked on the main page, in the lower right somewhere.

00:44:25 [Ash]

sweet

00:44:28 [Morbus]

other than that, no.

00:44:28 [Morbus]

;)

00:44:32 [Ash]

So how's this a weblog if you have to get approval and stuff?

00:44:32 [Ash]

hehe

00:44:35 [AaronSw]

FRONT PAGE PLACEMENT!

00:44:41 [Ash]

WELCOME TO THE BIG BROTHER WEBLOG

00:44:48 [Ash]

PLZ BURN ALL BOOKS THX

00:44:49 [Morbus]

huh? no, I don't have to on the weblog.

00:45:03 [Morbus]

weblog I can post whatever I want.

00:45:04 [Ash]

Hehehe.

00:45:05 [sbp]

dear crumbubble!

00:45:08 [Ash]

Well, back ina minute

00:45:09 [Morbus]

which starts running the "trust its technology" issue.

00:45:11 [sbp]

it is on the first page!

00:45:23 [Morbus]

sbp: well, it would be.

00:45:29 [Morbus]

but i'm talking about my big head being there.

00:45:30 [AaronSw]

right under "No Groove Salad Today"

00:45:38 [sbp]

heh, heh

00:46:19 [AaronSw]

it'd scare away visitors...

00:46:25 [Morbus]

yeah, i need a big head.

00:46:31 [Morbus]

it will NOT scare away visitors.

00:46:32 [Morbus]

dammit.

00:46:44 [Morbus]

you don't want me to smile.

00:46:44 [AaronSw]

at least they digitally erased the frying pan...

00:46:47 [Morbus]

i look like a fucking deranged clown

00:46:52 [Morbus]

heheh, yeah, they did. bitches.

00:48:34 [sbp]

where my email, then?

00:49:14 [Morbus]

i have no clue.

00:49:15 [Morbus]

i sent it out a while ago

00:49:33 [Morbus]

do you have filters on wheter your email appears in the To: field?

00:49:53 [sbp]

nope

00:50:24 [Morbus]

whoo hoo!

00:51:56 [AaronSw]

argh, what was the font I was using...

00:56:19 [GabeW]

GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting")

00:59:04 [AaronSw]

Ah, guess it was Georgia

01:01:09 [Morbus]

* Morbus reads AaronSw's SYS

01:02:37 [Morbus]

waitaminute.

01:02:37 [Morbus]

[[[

01:02:37 [Morbus]

If you subscribed since then, you'll have to sign up again. My

01:02:37 [Morbus]

apologies.

01:02:37 [Morbus]

]]]

01:02:44 [Morbus]

how are people who are no longer subscribed goign to read that?

01:02:55 [AaronSw]

on the site

01:03:03 [Morbus]

oh. i suppose.

01:04:30 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw checks thru his bounces folder

01:05:11 [sbp]

well, cwmclone is working (reasonably) nicely

01:05:25 [sbp]

which is nice

01:10:37 [AaronSw]

Hm, I'm beginning to wonder about bijan's MF article.

01:10:58 [AaronSw]

I just assumed "prima facie" meant bad, but then I looked it up.

01:11:29 [sbp]

it just a fancy phrase for "initial"

01:12:35 [AaronSw]

Yeah, but that makes no sense.

01:13:16 [AaronSw]

Ooh, M-GET is neat!

01:13:35 [jeremiah]

hello

01:13:45 [AaronSw]

hi

01:13:57 [Morbus]

M-GET?

01:14:26 [sbp]

yeeeeah! I fixed the serialization problem

01:14:31 [AaronSw]

It's like GET, but has headers you're required to understand

01:14:39 [sbp]

part of HTTP-ext

01:15:21 [AaronSw]

argh, i hate it when i delete potentially important email

01:15:27 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:15:30 [sbp]

I do that too

01:15:41 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla makes a note never to send mail to AaronSw or sbp.

01:15:51 [sbp]

not often, mind. once every wekk or two

01:15:52 [AaronSw]

hey! i didn't delete it permanently

01:16:01 [AaronSw]

i'm going to get it back

01:16:14 [AaronSw]

i never delete any of my email permanently

01:16:23 [AaronSw]

Wow, the intro theme for O'Reilly's audio roundtable is incredibly cheesy MIDI.

01:16:40 [sbp]

heh, cheesy MIDI is great

01:16:42 [jillzilla]

Do you have CRACKERS to go with that CHEESE?

01:17:03 [AaronSw]

When did jillzilla become Zippy the Pinhead?

01:17:11 [jillzilla]

YOW!

01:17:13 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw ducks

01:17:20 [deltab]

jillzippy

01:17:20 [jillzilla]

Zippy rocks.

01:17:27 [jillzilla]

jillzilla is now known as jillzippy

01:17:31 [sbp]

heh

01:17:40 [AaronSw]

ZtP doesn't beat Pokey the Penguin.

01:17:55 [AaronSw]

I was disappointed, I thought ZtP was machine-written.

01:21:57 [sbp]

* sbp wonders what's on the other channels

01:22:17 [jillzippy]

there are other channels?

01:22:37 [jeremiah]

hello

01:22:41 [AaronSw]

hi J

01:22:45 [sbp]

of course. there's always... #infoanarchy!

01:24:43 [AaronSw]

Jon Udell: "For each project you have a set of documents, some communication channels, and uh, a set of documents."

01:34:56 [Morbus]

AaronSw, can you look at an RSS 1.0 scrape for me.

01:34:59 [Morbus]

make sure it's all set.

01:35:01 [AaronSw]

sure

01:37:32 [AaronSw]

whoa, gamegrene.com is rackin up the apache modules: Server: Apache/1.3.17 (Unix) PHP/4.1.2 mod_watch/3.10 mod_perl/1.26 mod_ssl/2.8.0 OpenSSL/0.9.6 (Using iHTML/2.20)

01:37:41 [Morbus]

yeah, that's right bitch.

01:37:46 [Morbus]

i be your apache muthafucking master ;)

01:38:28 [jillzippy]

* jillzippy remembers when choric all but dared her to say "motherfucking".

01:38:38 [AaronSw]

did you say it?

01:39:23 [jillzippy]

I did. I said that I was thinking of going out for Indian food, but that when I was in Toronto I had the best motherfucking Indian buffet that had ever passed my lips, so I was hesitating.

01:39:28 [jillzippy]

choric was amused.

01:41:05 [sbp]

wow, Jill's turned into Madonna

01:41:52 [jillzippy]

sbp: It was only the once.

01:46:49 [AaronSw]

Oh wow, words I never expected to hear:

01:46:54 [AaronSw]

<[deleted]> Darn shame this is written in Python.

01:46:59 [AaronSw]

<[deleted]> Python is even more gibberish to me than, say, C++.

01:47:06 [AaronSw]

<[deleted]> If it were perl, I could at least read through and know what it's doing.

01:47:31 [sbp]

wow

01:47:39 [Morbus]

wha?

01:47:39 [sbp]

what a weirdo

01:47:43 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

01:48:02 [AaronSw]

referring to the chumpbot

01:48:57 [talli]

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01:51:32 [talli]

hey guys

01:52:34 [talli]

anyone know enough about BEEP to answer a few basic questions? rather a single basic question?

01:52:41 [AaronSw]

maybe

01:52:55 [AaronSw]

what's the question

01:53:21 [talli]

if i understand correctly, BEEP is a rather basic protocol spec

01:53:27 [talli]

a sort of super-set

01:53:45 [talli]

so can one implement some layers in BEEP so that it can speak HTTP?

01:54:00 [talli]

is that even a reasonably question or am i way off?

01:54:08 [AaronSw]

I think that's pretty off-the-wall.

01:54:21 [AaronSw]

the beginning part was ok, tho

01:54:32 [talli]

ok

01:54:50 [AaronSw]

BEEP sort of specifies a protocol for things to send XML back and forht

01:54:59 [talli]

but if one uses the BEEP protocol, can it be used in lie of an HTTP server?

01:55:05 [talli]

ah, ok

01:55:13 [AaronSw]

Yeah, BEEP is the kind of thing that might replace HTTP

01:55:21 [talli]

ok

01:55:26 [talli]

i meant lieu, btw

01:56:18 [talli]

so if one had a BEEP application, he would use BEEP to fire XML back and forth and if he needed to fire something via HTTP he would use a web server like Apache?

01:57:11 [AaronSw]

If he's using Apache it's not much of a BEEP application, is it?

01:57:40 [talli]

i mean for Momentum

01:57:51 [talli]

CAP specifies BEEP

01:58:12 [talli]

which makes sense if it's for shooting XML back and forth, or rather structured docs

01:58:39 [AaronSw]

Ah. So for Momentum you might have an HTTP interface where you send out calendars to people who request, and an additional BEEP interface where you do some weird sort of XML messaging secret moves for some purpose...

01:58:41 [talli]

but if there's an instance where one needs to use a web based app, like OACS or Zope, then i imagine that one uses AOLserver or Apache

01:59:26 [talli]

well, for user agents, like Outlook, Mozcal or Evolution, BEEP might be the preferred way of communicating

01:59:37 [talli]

if they speak some form of structured XML-ish thingie, right?

01:59:49 [AaronSw]

Well you can send structured XML over HTTP.

02:00:10 [talli]

true

02:00:14 [talli]

but the CAP spec is...

02:00:16 [AaronSw]

The major difference is HTTP is request-response, and BEEP is a longer conversationy thingy involving multiple channels and stuff

02:00:32 [talli]

right

02:00:39 [talli]

i don't know why the CAP people picked BEEP

02:00:48 [talli]

anyway, gotta go eat

02:00:51 [talli]

thanks for the tips

02:00:51 [AaronSw]

I thought you gave up on CAP...

02:00:54 [talli]

appreciate it

02:00:58 [AaronSw]

no prob

02:00:59 [talli]

well, sort of.

02:01:04 [talli]

CAP does need to be supported

02:01:10 [talli]

either immediately or in the future

02:01:22 [talli]

anyway, thanks

02:01:24 [talli]

bbl

02:01:25 [AaronSw]

surre

02:01:30 [AaronSw]

err sure

02:03:14 [sbp]

Gotta run

02:08:53 [AaronSw]

um, ok: <tansaku_x> bottom line is if there wasn't java and python we'd have the evolutionarily corrupt situation where semplesh and neurogrid were one

02:16:31 [jillzippy]

woops, lost another disk.

02:16:35 [Morbus]

AaronSw: what do you suggest I use for a <link> when the feed doesn't have one? there are multiple links in the <description> (which would normally be strippe dout)

02:16:50 [AaronSw]

lost another disk? did it go down the disposall or something?

02:17:11 [AaronSw]

Morbus, what's the feed?

02:17:20 [Morbus]

classicgaming.com

02:17:24 [Morbus]

http://www.classicgaming.com/

02:17:39 [jillzippy]

Effectively. oodles of I/O errors.

02:19:20 [Ash]

jillzippyyyyyyyy

02:19:30 [jillzippy]

Assssssssssh

02:19:36 [Ash]

How are you this evening?

02:19:43 [jillzippy]

spacey. you?

02:19:51 [jillzippy]

* jillzippy torments the crawl.

02:19:54 [Ash]

I just got done playing some Super mario 3 with veronica

02:20:03 [AaronSw]

Morbus, all the news appears to be from gamespydaily... or are you scraping something else?

02:20:04 [jillzippy]

hehehehehe

02:20:08 [Ash]

now i'm installing a new version of gaim that is hopefully not as evil

02:20:21 [Ash]

and i just got spam coming to my cell phone

02:20:23 [Ash]

i am so pissed

02:20:43 [Ash]

since I use my cell phone email address for my alerting software at work

02:20:44 [AaronSw]

heh, cellphone spam

02:20:59 [Ash]

so now who knows if it's spam or my servers crashing

02:21:19 [Morbus]

AaronSw: checking

02:22:37 [Morbus]

it appears i can just use the gamespy stuff.

02:22:45 [Morbus]

but I still have to worry about the <link>

02:23:26 [Morbus]

hmm.

02:23:30 [Morbus]

i can't find one of the items that's on classicgaming.

02:25:33 [Ash]

I found it hilarious that dwiner was linking to rebuttals to the whole allaire thing, but the link was broken since the radio site was down

02:25:33 [Ash]

ahahah

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02:31:53 [AaronSw]

all wmf's images are gone too

02:32:00 [AaronSw]

they were just deleted, apparently

02:32:12 [AaronSw]

"Hack the Planet"??? must be a virus

02:32:36 [Ash]

AaronSw: Yes, userland suxor

02:32:39 [AaronSw]

Morbus, well they sort have URLs: http://www.gamespydaily.com/news/archive/standard.asp?month=5&day=1&year=2002

02:33:07 [Ash]

For hell's sake, if you ever want to be taken seriously as a company, please take care of the servers that provide your service!

02:33:08 [AaronSw]

Or rather: http://www.gamespydaily.com/news/archive/standard.asp?month=5&day=1&year=2002#PQN365359

02:33:09 [Morbus]

i'm gonna try and do: http://www.gamespydaily.com/news/raw/index.asp?genre=0&hours=24

02:33:10 [Ash]

K PLZ THX

02:33:47 [Morbus]

where are you sing the #? it's not showing in the index.asp URL.

02:34:01 [AaronSw]

it's in the HTML

02:34:07 [AaronSw]

unfortunately the don't link to it :(

02:34:15 [Morbus]

yeah, i'm looking at the source, i mean.

02:34:36 [AaronSw]

hm, you'r eright. it isn't in the index.asp

02:34:42 [Ash]

http://www.somethingawful.com/photoshop/cereal/Luxmore_lies.jpg

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02:46:50 [AaronSw]

.rehash

02:46:55 [AaronSw]

.google plex

02:46:57 [xena]

plex: http://www.plex.nl/

02:47:04 [AaronSw]

.google googleplex

02:47:05 [xena]

googleplex: http://www.googleplex.com/

02:47:25 [AaronSw]

.google a glimpse inside google

02:47:25 [xena]

a: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Da%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DI&q=stocks:A+

02:47:59 [AaronSw]

oops

02:48:00 [AaronSw]

.rehash

02:48:03 [AaronSw]

.google a glimpse inside google

02:48:04 [xena]

a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex

02:48:52 [AaronSw]

odd

02:49:05 [jillzippy]

http://www.google.com/jobs/images/chef.jpg

02:49:36 [AaronSw]

ta da!

02:51:20 [AaronSw]

.rehash

02:51:23 [AaronSw]

.google a glimpse inside google

02:51:23 [xena]

a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex

02:52:01 [AaronSw]

.rehash

02:52:03 [AaronSw]

.google a glimpse inside google

02:52:04 [xena]

a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex

02:52:14 [AaronSw]

.rehash

02:52:14 [AaronSw]

.google a glimpse inside google

02:52:16 [xena]

a:- http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Da%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DI&q=stocks:A+

02:52:55 [AaronSw]

argh, how mysterious

02:53:02 [AaronSw]

.rehash

02:53:03 [AaronSw]

argh, how mysterious

02:53:06 [AaronSw]

.google a glimpse inside google

02:53:06 [xena]

a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex

02:53:32 [AaronSw]

Odd, when I add [1:] to the code, it stops calling my function

02:53:43 [AaronSw]

when i replace it with [1] it works fine

02:53:52 [jillzippy]

what's the line?

02:53:58 [AaronSw]

query = text.split()[1:]

02:54:14 [AaronSw]

where text is ".google a glimpse inside google"

02:55:09 [AaronSw]

is there another way to write that?

02:55:47 [AaronSw]

[1:len(text)], i guess

02:55:48 [AaronSw]

.rehash

02:55:50 [AaronSw]

where text is ".google a glimpse inside google"

02:55:54 [AaronSw]

.google a glimpse inside google

02:55:55 [xena]

a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex

02:55:57 [jillzippy]

It works for me in the interpreter.

02:56:04 [jillzippy]

>>> text.split()[1:]

02:56:04 [jillzippy]

['a', 'glimpse', 'inside', 'google']

02:56:11 [AaronSw]

ah!

02:56:33 [AaronSw]

i need to join them with a space

02:56:37 [AaronSw]

.rehash

02:56:39 [AaronSw]

.google a glimpse inside google

02:56:40 [xena]

a glimpse inside google:- http://www.google.com/plex/

02:56:43 [jillzippy]

ha!

02:57:12 [AaronSw]

.rehash

02:57:15 [AaronSw]

.google a glimpse inside google

02:57:16 [xena]

a glimpse inside google: http://www.google.com/plex/

02:57:22 [AaronSw]

alright

02:57:24 [AaronSw]

.dtrt foo bar

02:57:27 [xena]

foo bar: http://www.google.com/search?q=foo+bar

02:57:35 [AaronSw]

.acronym fop baz

02:57:36 [xena]

fop baz:

02:57:52 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw bows

02:57:53 [AaronSw]

.google

02:57:54 [xena]

: http://www.google.com/search?btnI=1&q=

02:58:07 [jillzippy]

dtrt?

02:58:17 [AaronSw]

.google do the right thing gerald

02:58:18 [xena]

do the right thing gerald: http://impressive.net/services/dtrt/

02:58:53 [AaronSw]

.rehash

02:58:54 [AaronSw]

.google

02:58:55 [xena]

: http://www.google.com/search?btnI=1&q=

02:58:58 [AaronSw]

.dtrt

02:59:00 [xena]

: http://impressive.net/services/dtrt/

02:59:05 [AaronSw]

.help google

02:59:06 [xena]

usage: google <query>

02:59:07 [xena]

- returns the first result from querying Google.com.

02:59:19 [AaronSw]

eh, close enough

03:02:56 [AaronSw]

hm: 'Please do not write to Google to request permission to "meta-search" Google for a research project, as such requests will not be granted.'

03:03:22 [jillzippy]

Where is that page? I was looking for it.

03:03:27 [AaronSw]

http://www.google.com/terms_of_service.html

03:03:35 [jillzippy]

AHA!

03:03:36 [AaronSw]

It doesn't seem to have anything against xena-style bots...

03:03:52 [jillzippy]

Not when they use the apis, but page-scraping is not acceptable.

03:03:56 [AaronSw]

although they don't define any of their odd "quoted" terms

03:04:21 [AaronSw]

which restriction would xena-page-scraping fall under?

03:05:15 [jillzippy]

No Automated Querying, via a clause that doesn't seem to be here any more. Wait, I think "offline" might...Hmmm, the TOS is no longer clear.

03:05:17 [jillzippy]

* jillzippy frowns.

03:05:40 [AaronSw]

I think that means they've begun allowing it.

03:06:18 [jillzippy]

I won't talk about legal matters on a logged channel.

03:06:29 [deltab]

the Personal Use section above bans reformatting

03:06:46 [AaronSw]

ah

03:07:23 [jillzippy]

ah, thanks. that's it.

03:07:53 [jillzippy]

I'm relieved.

03:08:03 [jillzippy]

How's munin, deltab?

03:08:22 [deltab]

great, thanks

03:08:37 [AaronSw]

where's munin from?

03:08:43 [jillzippy]

from?

03:08:52 [AaronSw]

er, what's it mean? where'd you get the name?

03:09:03 [AaronSw]

whoa, scary thunder outside

03:09:09 [jillzippy]

hugin and munin were the ravens that travel with Odin.

03:09:17 [jillzippy]

Their names mean Thought and Memory.

03:09:28 [jillzippy]

I have two thinkpads, hugin and munin.

03:09:29 [AaronSw]

Ah, neat.

03:09:39 [jillzippy]

Ironically, munin has considerably less RAM than hugin.

03:09:48 [AaronSw]

Heh.

03:10:04 [jillzippy]

But more hard disk space, iirc.

03:10:44 [AaronSw]

Oh! I wonder if those were the crows that attacked Dirk!

03:10:58 [jillzippy]

Dirk Gently? I bet a lot...

03:12:03 [AaronSw]

Yeah, Dirk Gently. Cool. That book didn't work very well at all for me.

03:12:25 [jillzippy]

I hated it the first time I read it and years later reread it and liked it.

03:12:30 [jillzippy]

Long Dark Teatime, though...augh.

03:12:36 [AaronSw]

That's what I'm referring to.

03:12:40 [jillzippy]

Oh.

03:12:40 [AaronSw]

I loved the first one.

03:13:06 [AaronSw]

LDTOTS made even less sense than Young Zaphod Plays It Safe.

03:13:21 [jillzippy]

havne't read that.

03:14:01 [AaronSw]

It's a short story. Found it in a all-HHGTG-books-in-one-volume thing.

03:19:21 [jillzippy]

I read about it in the alt.fan.douglas-adams FAQ, but haven't read it.

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03:19:59 [AaronSw]

Hm, I should read that FAQ

03:25:28 [deltab]

http://interconnected.org/dirk/?object1=odin

03:25:44 [AaronSw]

heh: "Douglas Adams likes Macintoshes, and at one stage lived with one in

03:25:44 [AaronSw]

Islington "

03:26:21 [AaronSw]

ah, DIRK is great

03:26:32 [AaronSw]

I guess it's just Dirk. That's sorta confusing.

03:27:33 [jillzippy]

confusing?

03:27:48 [AaronSw]

Well it could get confused with Dirk the person.

03:27:59 [jillzippy]

what is DIRK the acronym?

03:28:08 [AaronSw]

tis http://interconnected.org/dirk/

03:28:25 [AaronSw]

well http://interconnected.org/

03:28:40 [jillzippy]

sorry, can't check now. another time.

03:28:53 [AaronSw]

it's cute

03:31:56 [AaronSw]

The DNA FAQ is pretty out of date.

03:32:19 [jillzippy]

Does it mention that he is dead?

03:32:24 [AaronSw]

Doesn't seem to.

03:32:31 [jillzippy]

Heh. That seems...notable.

03:34:39 [AaronSw]

Awesome! I thought the poertry guy was real!

03:35:23 [AaronSw]

http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~nhughes/dna/docs/poetry.html

03:42:40 [jillzippy]

* jillzippy reads the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster recipe and shudders violently.

03:43:19 [AaronSw]

Ooh, the towel thing is from real life.

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03:46:23 [jillzippy]

morbus.

03:46:56 [Morbus]

AaronSw, you around?

03:47:03 [AaronSw]

Yes.

03:47:16 [Morbus]

jillzippy:

03:47:18 [Morbus]

)

03:47:37 [jillzippy]

Aww, my very own parenthesis. Closing, even. How thoughtful..

03:47:52 [Morbus]

oooh.

03:47:54 [Morbus]

look at moz's xml error page:

03:47:56 [Morbus]

http://www.gamegrene.com/cgi-bin/rss/gamespydaily.cgi

03:48:48 [AaronSw]

You're missing a semicolon, Morbus.

03:49:12 [Morbus]

where aT?

03:50:16 [Morbus]

i'm not seeing it.

03:50:30 [AaronSw]

href="http://personalserver.fileplanet.com/redir.asp?from=redef&to=http%3A//www.fileplanet.com/dl/dl.asp%3F/planethalflife

03:50:35 [AaronSw]

change the & to a &amp;

03:52:11 [Morbus]

k. now try it.

03:52:50 [AaronSw]

you can't use the same thing for the rdf:about attribute twice

03:52:59 [Morbus]

well, blame XML::RSS, not me.

03:53:08 [Morbus]

btw, this works: http://www.gamegrene.com/cgi-bin/rss/gamespydaily.cgi?genre=Action

03:53:11 [AaronSw]

what am i blaming it for?

03:53:15 [Morbus]

genre can be anything in the sidebar there.

03:53:27 [Morbus]

the sidebar of the site, rather (community, classic, etc.)

03:53:36 [Morbus]

XML::RSS is generating that feed.

03:53:47 [Morbus]

i'm just giving it the scrapage (link => $link, etc.)

03:53:58 [AaronSw]

oh, it gets the rdf:about from the link?

03:54:05 [Morbus]

yup.

03:54:11 [AaronSw]

that's a bug. hmm

03:54:15 [Morbus]

this is the entire line of code: $rss->add_item( title => $title, link => $link, description => $desc, );

03:54:22 [Morbus]

it does the rest.

03:54:22 [AaronSw]

what I did was put in bogus # bits.

03:54:33 [AaronSw]

so the first http://www.planetfortress.com became #1

03:54:39 [AaronSw]

the second #2, etc.

03:54:48 [AaronSw]

or maybe i only did it if there were duplicates...

03:54:56 [AaronSw]

where are you getting these URLs from anyway?

03:55:25 [Morbus]

in the news on gamespydaily, they tell you what networksite that bit of news is from.

03:56:09 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw downloads marvin the paranoid android songs. whee!

03:57:34 [Morbus]

AaronSw: http://www.gamegrene.com/cgi-bin/rss/gamespydaily.cgi?genre=Community

03:57:34 [Morbus]

better?

03:57:55 [AaronSw]

great

03:58:23 [AaronSw]

Wow, this song is great.

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04:01:32 [AaronSw]

ooh: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400045088/coolbooks02

04:01:37 [MorbusIff]

* MorbusIff sighs

04:01:43 [AaronSw]

what ahppened?

04:03:21 [MorbusIff]

dunno

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04:04:57 [AaronSw]

Hm, I found a Seth D. Palmer who likes Hitchiker's Guide

04:12:15 [AaronSw]

I'm still waiting for a record of Hot Potato

04:12:26 [jillzippy]

My shell doesn't speak 133t.

04:12:34 [AaronSw]

"Marvin, I love you."

04:12:40 [jillzippy]

I accidentally typed 3xit, and it didn't listen.

04:12:44 [AaronSw]

heh

04:12:48 [AaronSw]

silly shell

04:12:54 [jillzippy]

Oh, maybe 3xlt

04:12:59 [jillzippy]

3x1t

04:16:11 [AaronSw]

Marvin: "Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent anymore of it."

04:16:25 [AaronSw]

ooh, here's a good one: "It gives me a headache just trying to think down to your level."

04:18:14 [AaronSw]

heh, the "B" side and the other "B" side

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04:26:01 [AaronSw]

yow! does my wrist hurt....

04:38:24 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw puts on the handeze

04:40:45 [bijan]

Never Take Them Off.

04:40:56 [bijan]

It Only Gets Worse.

04:41:04 [AaronSw]

Good Idea.

04:41:10 [AaronSw]

I think I need a wrist wrest.

04:41:26 [bijan]

If you've already got wrist trouble, Aaron, you should seriously look at modifying how you work.

04:41:34 [bijan]

1) take weekends off from computers.

04:41:38 [bijan]

Some weeks would be better.

04:41:39 [bijan]

2)

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04:41:49 [bijan]

Microbreaks, microbreaks. microbreaks.

04:41:55 [bijan]

3) Moniter placement.

04:42:04 [AaronSw]

Monitor. Bzzt.

04:42:24 [bijan]

Aaron, I'm really quite tired of the typo shocker.

04:42:25 [AaronSw]

What about monitor placement?

04:42:29 [bijan]

So why don't we kill that.

04:42:39 [AaronSw]

Sounds like a good idea. It's getting old.

04:42:48 [bijan]

No, it's long been old.

04:42:54 [AaronSw]

That too.

04:42:58 [bijan]

So old that it killed me desire to lesson your pain.

04:43:08 [bijan]

But I am so noble I shall anyway.

04:43:13 [bijan]

:0

04:43:23 [AaronSw]

Ah, noble bijan.

04:43:28 [bijan]

I found that getting the moniter right helped enormously.

04:43:36 [bijan]

A lot of wrist troubles start in the next.

04:43:38 [bijan]

er..

04:43:38 [bijan]

neck

04:43:57 [bijan]

Which is why keeping your neck warm and your monitor at the right height can help a lot

04:44:16 [bijan]

Top of the monitor (well, assuming certain sizes) should be a bit above eye level.

04:45:04 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw puts monitor on top of Applied Cryptography and raises chair

04:45:14 [bijan]

Yes. Good moves.

04:45:33 [bijan]

But it really comes down to giving them rest.

04:45:50 [bijan]

if you're already in pain, you should figure out how to give them like a week with *no typing*.

04:46:11 [AaronSw]

Actually, I think the problem in this case was that my keyboard was too close to me, causing my arms to lie half off the table and the edge of the table to dig into them.

04:46:27 [bijan]

Sounds bad.

04:46:47 [AaronSw]

I wish I noticed these things ahead of time. Hmph.

04:47:30 [bijan]

hmm. I didn't know Triple was XSB based.

04:47:34 [bijan]

A Miracle

04:48:36 [bijan]

Can't say the syntax thrills me.

04:49:37 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw takes a break, feels Handeze restorative powers

04:50:10 [bijan]

standing up and doing arm circles every half hour is good.

04:50:17 [bijan]

Good circultion is important.

05:08:48 [AaronSw]

i might as well just go to sleep. G'nite.

05:08:49 [AaronSw]

laters.

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05:09:13 [AaronSw]

thanks for the tips, bijan

05:09:15 [AaronSw]

oops

05:12:06 [AaronSw]

bijan recommends http://monkeyfist.com/articles/591

05:12:16 [AaronSw]

heh: "o, there weren't any metal detectors, but you could film a scene set in a minimal security prison with ease there."

05:13:34 [AaronSw]

OK, i'm really off now. laters.

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07:25:16 [syn|ack_]

hiya guys

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08:41:03 [rook]

i like this nick better than pawn.

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12:48:37 [sbp]

* sbp waves

12:50:40 [sbp]

heh, they should change ".rehash" to ".respawn"

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12:53:04 [sbp]

heh @ 04:04:57 <AaronSw> Hm, I found a Seth D. Palmer who likes Hitchiker's Guide

12:57:06 [sbp]

Hmm... still didn't get that email from Morbus

12:59:12 [sbp]

note to self: find out how many N3 parsers support "has prop"

12:59:20 [sbp]

anyway, things to do...

12:59:22 [sbp]

Gotta run

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14:26:21 [AaronSw]

uh oh, docbook security hole

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14:35:10 [Ash]

DOCBOOK SECURATY HOEL!@#%

14:35:16 [Ash]

IN RADIO.USERLAND.COM

14:35:20 [Ash]

crash teh servar!

14:36:29 [Morbus]

heh, eh

14:36:53 [Morbus]

ooh. it's winer's bday.

14:37:10 [Morbus]

* Morbus sends winer a happy bday note

14:37:45 [Morbus]

sent.

14:37:46 [Morbus]

[[[

14:37:46 [Morbus]

Happy Birthday, Old Man!

14:37:46 [Morbus]

And a pinch to shrink an inch!

14:37:47 [Morbus]

]]]

14:37:52 [Morbus]

* Morbus giggles.

14:40:16 [Ash]

hey!

14:40:30 [Ash]

If you want some attachments for your email i have some

14:40:42 [Ash]

We have a big directory full of viruses

14:40:43 [Ash]

ehehehehe

14:40:48 [Ash]

Yeah.

14:40:56 [AaronSw]

[OLM]

14:40:58 [Ash]

where's jillzilla

14:41:00 [Ash]

JILLZILLA

14:41:02 [Ash]

WAKE UP

14:41:10 [AaronSw]

there's jill and jillzippy

14:41:25 [Ash]

I want her to see the humor in this jake guy working til 4am and being a big whiner about it

14:41:32 [Ash]

top story on scripting.com

14:41:52 [Ash]

"Jake can't bring up a server, but he's obviously trying really hard- he worked until 4AM!!!"

14:42:07 [Ash]

Sheesh.

14:42:13 [Ash]

If something's broken you're there until it's fixed

14:42:20 [Ash]

somebody doesn't have any sysadmins...

14:42:21 [Ash]

hehe

14:42:52 [rik]

he can't bring up a server, but he tried until 4am and failed? then it's hardware, if its not hardware, he's fired.

14:43:05 [Ash]

* Ash dies laughing

14:43:20 [Ash]

14:43:22 [Ash]

Question for Samba experts from Jake : "How do we configure Samba so that the Windows computers in subnet A can mount a Samba share on the Linux machine that's running in subnet B?"

14:43:32 [Ash]

* Ash laughs and laughs

14:43:36 [Ash]

Come on, now.

14:43:43 [rik]

Answer from world: Step 1) Learn about networking.

14:43:50 [Ash]

Step 2) ???????

14:43:53 [Ash]

Step 3) PROFIT!

14:44:10 [rik]

hahah :)

14:44:25 [Ash]

hehe

14:44:35 [Ash]

I just am in awe at the stupidity of userland

14:45:05 [Ash]

I mean.. you run servers that are publically accessible, and they're for a core business purpose

14:45:12 [Ash]

and you don't have a professional sysadmin

14:45:12 [Ash]

heh

14:45:12 [rik]

just respond to all stupid question by e-mail with echo "moof" | mail eejit@cant.admin.servers.com

14:45:15 [Ash]

* Ash laughs

14:45:25 [Ash]

hahhaa

14:46:00 [Ash]

Hey, they had a communication problem inside userland

14:46:15 [Ash]

I thought they were better than us because they used INSTANT OUTLINEING(TM!!) instead of EMALE

14:46:31 [Ash]

<dwiner> only losers use teh emale!

14:46:47 [rik]

UES TEH QMALE!

14:46:57 [rik]

s/^/<djb> /

14:47:10 [AaronSw]

At this rate you guys will be going for years about this.

14:47:14 [Morbus]

DAVE! YUO GVEA ME THE KLEZ VRIUS!

14:47:31 [Ash]

AaronSw: Hey, this is funny!

14:47:32 [Ash]

Come on.

14:47:38 [rik]

AaronSw: "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity"

14:47:57 [Ash]

You know that this is just Linux getting back at userland for not shipping Frontier/linux, right?

14:47:59 [Ash]

hehe

14:48:16 [AaronSw]

That's part of the Red Hat Network's suite of functionality.

14:48:38 [AaronSw]

"No linux version?! We'll autoupdate _HIS_ servers!"

14:48:41 [Ash]

But of course Frontier/linux didn't happen because the hax0rs at userland have no clue about Linux.. as so wonderfully proven by this incident!

14:48:41 [Ash]

ha ha

14:48:44 [Ash]

HARHARHAR

14:52:49 [Ash]

Anyway.

14:52:52 [Ash]

* Ash stops laughing.

15:06:28 [redmonk]

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15:07:50 [redmonk]

yo yo yo

15:07:59 [AaronSw]

redmonk, who's server is not down

15:08:24 [redmonk]

anyone here know where to find a pretty-print-to-html tool for java source?

15:08:27 [redmonk]

yeah ;-)

15:08:29 [redmonk]

hehe

15:08:39 [redmonk]

silly luserland. linux is not for kids.

15:09:12 [AaronSw]

have you tried http://jrefactory.sourceforge.net/cspretty.html

15:10:35 [redmonk]

hm. looks like it just makes your source code nicer

15:10:50 [redmonk]

(ie, a formatter for source code, not an html generator)

15:11:01 [AaronSw]

oh

15:12:04 [AaronSw]

http://www.chami.com/colorizer/

15:12:07 [Ash]

redmonk: lol, we were just discussing that.

15:12:08 [Ash]

:)

15:13:12 [Ash]

I hate this after-the-fact-editing that dwiner does to scripting.com

15:13:15 [Ash]

damnit

15:13:20 [Ash]

he took down the link to allaire

15:13:20 [Ash]

heh

15:13:26 [Ash]

* Ash chuckles

15:13:44 [Ash]

This is why Allaire is big, and UserLand is small!

15:14:25 [Morbus]

heh.

15:14:31 [redmonk]

heh

15:14:33 [Morbus]

redmonk: i sent dave a happy bday email.

15:15:13 [Ash]

I am still chuckling about this whole server outage thing. It's so funny.

15:15:56 [Ash]

UserLand needs some mini-cons

15:16:05 [Ash]

or whatever those little robots are called

15:17:18 [redmonk]

don't we all?

15:17:31 [redmonk]

i could use some Oracle SP-cons right now

15:17:41 [redmonk]

or WebObjects-cons

15:18:21 [Ash]

redmonk: Well, they need some of those or a real sysadmin.

15:18:32 [Ash]

Anybody who can't get a server they've been running working should be FIRED

15:18:32 [Ash]

hehe

15:34:04 [AaronSw]

redmonk, someone recommends enscript:

15:34:13 [AaronSw]

script -Ejava -Whtml MyFIle.java > MyFile.html

15:34:19 [AaronSw]

http://people.ssh.fi/mtr/genscript/

15:36:52 [jill]

ic

15:37:48 [AaronSw]

hey jill

15:38:54 [Morbus]

jill. rather mundane today.

15:39:01 [Morbus]

i bet you're wearing white cotton knickers.

15:40:35 [redmonk]

thx

15:41:41 [AaronSw]

wow, 54% of Americans know how long it takes for the Earth to orbit the sun, up from 50%

15:43:58 [redmonk]

lol

15:44:03 [redmonk]

imressive

15:44:08 [redmonk]

er, impressive

15:49:19 [Ash]

jill

15:49:21 [Ash]

scroll up

15:49:22 [Ash]

hehe

15:49:31 [Ash]

jill: See us make fun of UserLand's "admins"

15:49:37 [Ash]

admins that quit at 4am

15:49:38 [Ash]

LAME

16:21:34 [sbp]

* sbp waves

16:21:44 [AaronSw]

thanks for the code, sbp

16:21:48 [AaronSw]

i hooked n3s up to swBot

16:21:51 [AaronSw]

it's in #rdfig

16:21:55 [sbp]

neat!

16:22:01 [AaronSw]

it rocks now

16:28:30 [AaronSw]

wow, a real live .biz site: http://openforce.biz/

16:29:52 [davb]

hey there is more stuff on dotlrn.mit.edu too

16:29:58 [davb]

oops

16:30:01 [davb]

wrong channel :)

16:37:55 [AaronSw]

i just got 10 identical spams. i think that's a record

16:38:14 [sbp]

did SpamAssasin catch them?

16:38:31 [AaronSw]

nope

16:38:49 [rik]

report them to razor then

16:38:52 [sbp]

what percentage of spam is it catching lately (roughly)?

16:38:54 [AaronSw]

i think spamassasin needs a new rule: if you get the message more than twice, the third time it's probably spam

16:39:40 [AaronSw]

probably quite a bit. it's caught 3720 and missed about 200

16:41:48 [AaronSw]

oh yeah, i've been neglecting my report-to-razor applescript

16:44:51 [AaronSw]

razor is broken because it includes the headers, tho

16:45:15 [AaronSw]

telecon in 15

16:47:54 [AaronSw]

lol:

16:47:55 [AaronSw]

"""

16:47:58 [sbp]

Simpsons in c.10

16:47:59 [AaronSw]

From a secret admirer...

16:48:00 [AaronSw]

Some geek boys got busy and coded

16:48:00 [AaronSw]

Far into the night they uploaded

16:48:00 [AaronSw]

They put too much strain

16:48:01 [AaronSw]

upon their poor little brains

16:48:01 [AaronSw]

And tragically, their heads just exploded.

16:48:02 [AaronSw]

"""

16:48:08 [AaronSw]

don't mess with my quote deeleey!

16:48:20 [sbp]

<AaronSw> telecon in 15

16:48:20 [sbp]

<sbp> Simpsons in c.10

16:48:20 [sbp]

<AaronSw> lol:

16:48:20 [sbp]

<AaronSw> """

16:48:20 [sbp]

<AaronSw> From a secret admirer...

16:48:29 [AaronSw]

hm.

16:48:36 [AaronSw]

i got:

16:48:37 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> """

16:48:37 [AaronSw]

<sbp> Simpsons in c.10

16:49:14 [sbp]

whoops, so did the logs

16:49:54 [AaronSw]

your way was better, tho

16:50:08 [sbp]

way?

16:50:28 [AaronSw]

T-10

16:58:59 [sbp]

Gotta run

17:17:46 [redmonk]

I just realized that my inability to touch type has made me a natural anagrammer

17:18:08 [redmonk]

i almost always hit the right keys. i just (often) don't hit them in the right order

17:18:22 [redmonk]

;-)

17:39:29 [sbp]

* sbp waves

17:40:30 [^RoLLo^]

^RoLLo^ (~RoLLo3@212.251.28.63) has joined #swhack

17:41:21 [^RoLLo^]

hi friend

17:42:14 [sbp]

Hi!

17:42:41 [sbp]

BTW, this channel is instantly and persistently logged to the Web

17:42:47 [sbp]

to say something off-log, prefix it with "# "

17:43:04 [sbp]

if you inadvertantly destroy any future hope of a political career, don't blame us

17:43:43 [sbp]

oh, and watch out for Morbus

17:44:02 [^RoLLo^]

sbp you talk with me

17:44:03 [^RoLLo^]

?

17:44:40 [Morbus]

* Morbus looks shifty.

17:44:57 [Morbus]

Rollo, those are nice... .. cough... pants you have there.,

17:45:02 [Morbus]

ooOh. and socks. mmMmmhmm.

17:45:04 [Morbus]

* Morbus gets closer.

17:45:11 [^RoLLo^]

sock?

17:45:18 [^RoLLo^]

i don't use sock (proxy )

17:45:20 [Morbus]

yessss. socks...

17:45:25 [Morbus]

may... may I touch your socks?

17:45:34 [^RoLLo^]

this is my shell ;)

17:45:35 [^RoLLo^]

lol

17:46:01 [Morbus]

won't you come out of your shell for me?

17:46:04 [Morbus]

* Morbus inches closer still.

17:46:50 [^RoLLo^]

hy?

17:46:51 [^RoLLo^]

why?

17:47:17 [Morbus]

well. you know.

17:47:24 [Ash]

@ http://www.echo23.com/domokun/

17:47:25 [Morbus]

* Morbus twirls his finger on the table. tight little circles.

17:47:39 [Ash]

Ooh, xoot is back!

17:47:56 [chumpy]

B: http://www.echo23.com/domokun/ from Ash

17:48:36 [sbp]

this is more like neo

17:48:44 [Morbus]

xoot? where?!

17:48:47 [Morbus]

i *love* xoot's socks.

17:48:53 [redmonk]

you're talkin to him

17:48:55 [redmonk]

heh

17:48:55 [Morbus]

xoot suits make me wild.

17:49:07 [redmonk]

Morbus, *everything* makes you wild.

17:49:11 [redmonk]

don't kid yourself

17:49:27 [Morbus]

* Morbus inches closer to redmonk, responding to the obvious come on.

17:49:38 [Morbus]

^RoLLo^: behind this manly nick, I'm a big titted woman at heart.

17:49:48 [sbp]

lol

17:49:52 [redmonk]

* redmonk whips out gauntlet, prepares to wail on Morbus

17:50:00 [redmonk]

*splutch*

17:50:13 [sbp]

.respawn

17:50:30 [redmonk]

* xena respawns

17:50:36 [redmonk]

wha?

17:50:39 [sbp]

heh, thanks

17:50:39 [redmonk]

heehe

17:50:41 [^RoLLo^]

lol

17:50:46 [^RoLLo^]

where are you from?

17:50:52 [redmonk]

Pategonia

17:51:01 [sbp]

Swhacksville, Swhackland

17:51:04 [^RoLLo^]

i'm italian boy lol

17:51:12 [sbp]

um... that's Patagonia, rm

17:51:21 [redmonk]

not in MY head, it's not!

17:51:29 [sbp]

heh, heh

17:51:48 [AaronSw]

I am afraid to watch the movie Ash chumped

17:51:50 [Morbus]

italian boy?

17:51:52 [redmonk]

Actually. I'm from Mercier

17:51:56 [Morbus]

oh shit, Rollo, you can make me pizza *any* time.

17:52:08 [AaronSw]

</telecon>

17:52:12 [sbp]

.nickometer ^RoLLo^

17:52:12 [xena]

^RoLLo^ has 57% lameness

17:52:24 [redmonk]

"we have ridden through the snows of Mercier"

17:52:32 [redmonk]

.nickometer redmonk

17:52:32 [xena]

redmonk has 0% lameness

17:52:37 [redmonk]

w00t!

17:52:56 [redmonk]

* redmonk bops to Moby "Go"

17:53:04 [sbp]

but xena doesn't know what it's on about, most of the time

17:53:12 [redmonk]

lol

17:53:35 [^RoLLo^]

lol pizza is very good in italy ;)

17:53:39 [^RoLLo^]

you kwnos spaghetti ?

17:53:58 [AaronSw]

B:|Domopers

17:54:01 [AaronSw]

B::for wmf

17:54:19 [chumpy]

titled item B

17:54:37 [chumpy]

commented item B

17:56:04 [sbp]

heh, Matt Groening was apparantly being sarcastic about the show's demise

17:56:35 [AaronSw]

why do you say that?

17:57:06 [sbp]

er.. crud, I lost the reference now

17:57:13 [sbp]

but that's what he's been saying, AFAIK

17:57:57 [davb]

markd2: is this the one you have seen before? http://www.echo23.com/domokun/

17:58:03 [davb]

argh

17:58:20 [davb]

sorry, wrong tab

17:58:21 [sbp]

heh,h eh

17:58:28 [Morbus]

sbp: so futurame hasn't been cancled?

17:58:33 [sbp]

what is it with davb and his channel mixups?

17:58:53 [davb]

I switch to chatzilla. I'll be more careful.

17:59:05 [sbp]

Futurama: no, but MG was talking about the Simpsons the other day, and that isn't going either

17:59:15 [Morbus]

cool. i like futurama.

17:59:17 [sbp]

and speaking of The Simpsons...

17:59:19 [sbp]

Gotta run

17:59:55 [AaronSw]

futurama _was_ cancelled.

17:59:58 [quasi]

damn, I missed the Simpson today :(

18:00:14 [Morbus]

what? no....

18:00:15 [Morbus]

dammit.

18:00:18 [Morbus]

i got my glasses today, btw.

18:00:25 [AaronSw]

cf. http://www.gotfuturama.com/cancelled/

18:00:33 [Morbus]

i'm a sexy techgeek, i tell ya.

18:00:40 [Morbus]

which, sbp, is the signature on that email i sent you.

18:00:46 [Morbus]

your filters probably got it. same with porn. bitch.

18:00:50 [quasi]

Morbus: and not blind anymore?

18:00:59 [AaronSw]

sbp don't have no filters

18:01:30 [Morbus]

quasi: (man, its so surreal seeing you here <g>), they're mainly for ldistance, but supposedly i can wear them in front of the comp too.

18:01:34 [Morbus]

i'll be trying that out tonight at home.

18:02:41 [quasi]

Morbus: just wait - in no time at all you'll be wearing glasses that are more like the bottom of a coke bottle

18:02:45 [quasi]

;)

18:02:47 [AaronSw]

i thought you hated glasses, and doctors, and evil swamp creatures

18:02:51 [Morbus]

yeah, i do.

18:03:49 [Morbus]

whoo: http://www.daypop.com/search?q=decepticons&t=a

18:03:57 [Morbus]

man, julian bond? cool.

18:04:12 [Morbus]

wonder how he heard

18:04:20 [AaronSw]

he reads swhack

18:04:23 [AaronSw]

weblog

18:04:27 [Morbus]

ah.

18:04:42 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: Julian Bond Appreciation Day

18:04:58 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: Julian Bond Appreciation Day | It is so, "The GNU Economy"

18:09:36 [Morbus]

argh.

18:10:32 [GabeW]

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18:10:36 [icepick]

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18:14:18 [AaronSw]

lol: http://www.viridiandesign.org/notes/301-350/00309_cfp_speech.html

18:14:37 [AaronSw]

"This culture war, where crazed monolith behemoths struggle to cut off each other's market oxygen! You innocently stick some legitimately purchased music CD into your Macintosh, and the evil thing blows up your RAM BIOS! It's a suicide-bomber CD, disguised as Celine Dion! There's this anguished invisible scream from the whirring guts of your Ono-Sendai Cyberspace Seven, as the Black Ice takes hold of your system! Oh my God! It's a hellish security nightmare!

18:15:44 [AaronSw]

"Case in point. I can see a thoroughly corrupt popular media system in my own neighborhood. No, it's not FOX News. It is the local Indian grocery, which is an absolute, decadent, Mom 'n' Pop hotbed of street-level media piracy."

18:18:28 [davb]

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18:22:12 [AaronSw]

'I can remember, back in the old days, when the cops and prosecuting lawyers at CFP used to warn us about the "Four Horsement of the Infocalypse." [...] Well, here it is, 2002, and Al Qaeda is using Yahoo and hotmail. They're terrorists. They're mafia. They grow poppies and sell heroin. They're Drug Dealer Mafia Terrorists. Obviously there's been a certain amount of industry consolidation here.'

18:22:23 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.viridiandesign.org/notes/301-350/00309_cfp_speech.html

18:22:50 [chumpy]

C: http://www.viridiandesign.org/notes/301-350/00309_cfp_speech.html from AaronSw

18:22:54 [AaronSw]

C::"This culture war, where crazed monolith behemoths struggle to cut off each other's market oxygen! You innocently stick some legitimately purchased music CD into your Macintosh, and the evil thing blows up your RAM BIOS! It's a suicide-bomber CD, disguised as Celine Dion! There's this anguished invisible scream from the whirring guts of your Ono-Sendai Cyberspace Seven, as the Black Ice takes hold of your system! Oh my God! It's a hellish security nightma

18:22:59 [AaronSw]

C::'I can remember, back in the old days, when the cops and prosecuting lawyers at CFP used to warn us about the "Four Horsement of the Infocalypse." [...] Well, here it is, 2002, and Al Qaeda is using Yahoo and hotmail. They're terrorists. They're mafia. They grow poppies and sell heroin. They're Drug Dealer Mafia Terrorists. Obviously there's been a certain amount of industry consolidation here.'

18:23:09 [AaronSw]

C:|Bruce Sterling's CFP 2002 Speech

18:23:12 [chumpy]

commented item C

18:23:29 [chumpy]

commented item C

18:23:46 [chumpy]

titled item C

18:25:18 [GabeW]

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18:48:11 [AaronSw]

hah! Tufte's font _was_ Gill Sans

18:52:43 [walloper]

<lilo> "I lift this clavicle to worlds without number, and bring a new light to the Way, guiding this gate that all may prosper, those who guide and are guided, who light the Way and bask in the light so given....Behold, I open a new world."

18:52:56 [walloper]

<lilo> Please welcome zheng.openprojects.net, in Shanghai, China!

18:53:20 [AaronSw]

interesting

18:55:03 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw begins cramming

18:56:31 [AaronSw]

"Reasons To Be Cheerful, Part 3" is quite good, actually.

19:03:35 [sbp]

wow, did you hear about the peace activists that stormed the Church of the Nativity?

19:03:42 [AaronSw]

no

19:03:52 [sbp]

it was just on BBC News, hang on a sec.

19:04:06 [AaronSw]

oh, that sounded like a joke

19:04:32 [sbp]

yeah! I thought I'd misheard or something

19:04:49 [AaronSw]

as in 'did you hear about the tribe that worshipped zero?'

19:05:01 [sbp]

* sbp tries http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/default.stm

19:05:13 [AaronSw]

google finds http://www.itv.com/news/World1409403.html

19:05:26 [AaronSw]

and http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml;jsessionid=L1ZQ1LSG22CXKCRBAE0CFFAKEEATGIWD?type=worldnews&StoryID=900014

19:05:45 [sbp]

ah, there you go: "Shortly after the gunbattle, around seven international peace activists, some believed to be British, made a daring entrance into the church carrying supplies for those inside."

19:06:00 [quasi]

quasi has left #swhack

19:06:11 [sbp]

they just ran past the guards an into the Church, apparently

19:06:16 [AaronSw]

wow

19:07:20 [Ash]

uh, shut up LIELO

19:07:21 [sbp]

lol @ <Morbus> your filters probably got it. same with porn. bitch.

19:07:43 [sbp]

heh, heh @ evil swamp creatures

19:08:14 [sbp]

yay, J. Bond would have read my sendup of Morbus's Decepticons article

19:10:27 [sbp]

Hmm... where did icepick spring from?

19:10:36 [AaronSw]

I think he's following me.

19:10:45 [AaronSw]

^RoLLo^ is the real question.

19:11:02 [sbp]

heh, indeed

19:13:07 [jill]

* jill awakens.

19:13:33 [jill]

* jill waves.

19:13:34 [sbp]

hey Jill

19:13:39 [jill]

hiya!

19:14:11 [jill]

I woke up in arm pain today -- acute tendonitis. :-(

19:14:21 [AaronSw]

ouch :-(

19:14:26 [jill]

* jill types with three fingers.

19:14:35 [sbp]

bummer

19:14:38 [jill]

ice is my friend!

19:14:53 [sbp]

.google "Myers Carpenter"

19:14:55 [xena]

"Myers Carpenter": http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5687?mode=day

19:15:12 [AaronSw]

heh, that again

19:16:01 [jill]

So I'm going to avoid irc for a week or so. :-(

19:16:06 [AaronSw]

Poor jill. I went to sleep in minor arm pain, but it was gone when I woke up.

19:16:07 [jill]

* jill snivels a bit.

19:16:08 [sbp]

aw!

19:16:15 [sbp]

you can't possibly avoid IRC!

19:16:26 [jill]

:-)

19:16:33 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw feels his wrists hurt. I wonder if it's contagious via IRC...

19:16:52 [AaronSw]

We'll have to get jill some t2s2t IRC software

19:17:09 [sbp]

that'd be pointless

19:17:14 [jill]

AaronSw: seriously, take time off. I was once in pain for 11 years, every day, for ignoring pain.

19:17:19 [sbp]

so when somebody types something, it just echoes it?

19:17:31 [icepick]

that's my top google link... weird

19:17:39 [AaronSw]

it's the DW effect.

19:17:51 [jill]

jill is now known as jillium

19:17:53 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks for his Handeze

19:17:54 [icepick]

I guess htp is pretty high on linked sites

19:19:43 [AaronSw]

.google hack

19:19:44 [xena]

hack: http://wmf.editthispage.com/

19:19:49 [sbp]

* sbp plays a new arpeggio on the amp for the first time

19:19:53 [AaronSw]

argh, where'd the little buggers go

19:20:03 [sbp]

quite nice

19:20:22 [sbp]

heh, Aaron's picking up more sbpisms

19:20:24 [AaronSw]

Oh, heh, they're in my pocket.

19:20:41 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw goes back to cramming

19:22:44 [Ash]

.google TEACH ME TO HACK

19:22:46 [xena]

TEACH ME TO HACK: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~testest/faq/0.html

19:22:53 [Ash]

@ http://wmf.editthispage.com/

19:22:55 [AaronSw]

.google how to hack

19:22:58 [xena]

how to hack: http://wmf.editthispage.com/

19:23:34 [chumpy]

D: http://wmf.editthispage.com/ from Ash

19:23:39 [Ash]

D:|HOW TO HACK

19:23:56 [chumpy]

titled item D

19:24:15 [AaronSw]

D:|Official Aaron Mathews Website

19:24:33 [chumpy]

titled item D

19:25:05 [davb]

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19:25:08 [AaronSw]

anyone have a good proof of euclid's lemma?

19:25:29 [redmonk]

no, but i have a picture of his llama

19:25:57 [redmonk]

does that count?

19:26:26 [AaronSw]

No. Not even partial credit.

19:26:34 [redmonk]

* redmonk mopes

19:27:13 [redmonk]

Morbus would have given me credit.

19:27:19 [sbp]

creeeedit!

19:27:24 [deltab]

http://planetmath.org/?op=getobj&from=objects&id=258

19:27:31 [deltab]

is that good?

19:27:40 [deltab]

* deltab goes to dinner

19:28:27 [AaronSw]

yeah, i already tried that one. it doesn't make much sense.

19:28:31 [AaronSw]

oh, here's a good one.

19:28:50 [AaronSw]

1=ax+by (prev. results)

19:29:05 [AaronSw]

c = cax+cby (mult. by c)

19:30:12 [redmonk]

* redmonk 's head explodes

19:30:24 [AaronSw]

er, and then somethign happens and it works.

19:30:30 [AaronSw]

hm, gotta figure out that last step

19:30:50 [AaronSw]

but aren't cax and cby awesome names?

19:30:59 [AaronSw]

pronounced kax and kibby

19:31:17 [redmonk]

heh. looks like russian

19:31:24 [redmonk]

* redmonk has started learning russian

19:32:18 [redmonk]

i've picked up most of the alphabet so far

19:32:26 [redmonk]

i can sounds out the more common words

19:32:30 [redmonk]

er, sound out

19:32:43 [redmonk]

and count to ten. ;-)

19:33:56 [AaronSw]

aha! because a|ac (duh) and a|bc (given) a|cax+cby which we said was equal to c so a|c.

19:58:32 [sbp]

well, Friends...

19:58:34 [sbp]

Gotta run

20:06:25 [AaronSw]

ooh, Literary Machines came!

20:08:15 [AaronSw]

wow, a beautiful recepit

20:08:31 [AaronSw]

er invoice

20:10:27 [AaronSw]

It's too bad that hypertext systems have long been typographically deprived. i'm sure they could do some brillaint work.

20:12:55 [AaronSw]

hm, how to prove that if a(n) = a(n-1) + a(n-2) + a(n-3)

20:13:06 [AaronSw]

then a(n) < 2^n

20:14:36 [redmonk]

who cares?

20:14:38 [redmonk]

;-)

20:15:01 [AaronSw]

my math teacher

20:15:09 [redmonk]

ha

20:15:39 [AaronSw]

I think it's a simple summation...

20:21:55 [davb]

AaronSw: what kind of math are you doing?

20:22:02 [AaronSw]

number theory

20:22:14 [davb]

neat, but beyond me.

20:22:38 [AaronSw]

hm, i get that a lot. it's actually really simple -- it's all about the integers

20:23:13 [AaronSw]

There's a great (children's) book on it.

20:23:15 [AaronSw]

.google the number devil

20:23:19 [xena]

the number devil: http://math.cofc.edu/faculty/kasman/MATHFICT/mf20.html

20:24:01 [davb]

ok, so I am just too lazy to think about it.

20:24:03 [AaronSw]

"Enzensberger is a respected German novelist (not at all a mathematician) who wrote this book to show to children that serious math is great fun and not difficult. It is about a schoolboy who in his dreams meets the counting devil."

20:29:54 [Morbus]

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20:32:31 [AaronSw]

i wonder what jill thinks of num. theory

20:33:32 [rik]

AaronSw: "in theory, there's a lot of numbers. in practice, we don't use many of them"

20:33:42 [jillzippy]

* jillzippy doesn't know number theory from her left elbow.

20:33:43 [AaronSw]

Heh.

20:33:57 [rik]

jillzippy: number theory isn't very flexible :)

20:34:08 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves to jillzippy's left elbow

20:34:17 [jillzippy]

* jillzippy waves her left elbow.

20:34:41 [rik]

heh. sorry to hear about the tendon thing, jill.

20:34:54 [jillzippy]

thanks. :-)

20:35:19 [jillzippy]

I have hopes that being aggressive now will save huge amounts of pain.

20:35:42 [jillzippy]

speaking of which...

20:35:53 [jillzippy]

* jillzippy disappears

20:36:04 [AaronSw]

on d brt sid u cn lrn srp shr ntshun

20:36:16 [AaronSw]

srp->spr

20:37:40 [jillzippy]

jillzippy is now known as jillzilla

20:37:56 [AaronSw]

hm, this is a stumper:

20:38:10 [AaronSw]

prove that a is odd => gcd(3a, 3a+2)=1

20:40:52 [sbp]

* sbp waves

20:42:00 [rik]

well otherwise it would have at least 2 in common.

20:42:16 [^RoLLo^]

^RoLLo^ is now known as ^RoLLo|zZz^

20:42:50 [AaronSw]

yeah but that leaves 3a-2 other possible divisors...

20:43:05 [rik]

and?

20:43:06 [^RoLLo|zZz^]

^RoLLo|zZz^ has left #swhack

20:43:08 [AaronSw]

i guess they don't have three in common either.

20:43:28 [rik]

a is odd if the gcd is 1. is doesn't say anything about if the gcd is not 1.

20:43:46 [AaronSw]

no, it's the other way. if a is odd the the gcd is 1

20:43:53 [AaronSw]

err then the

20:44:03 [rik]

oh. right.

20:44:16 [syn|ack]

morning folks

20:44:20 [AaronSw]

hi synack, sbp

20:44:49 [rik]

hmm

20:45:25 [AaronSw]

oh, i can sorta see it...

20:45:35 [rik]

oh. i see :)

20:45:40 [rik]

hah. i think i do see it.

20:45:46 [rik]

go on, what's your idea.

20:45:57 [AaronSw]

mine's not fully formed yet, you can go ahead

20:46:45 [rik]

oh. wait. proving the wrong thing. nevermind.

20:46:57 [AaronSw]

it's somehting like if f|a and f|a+2 then f|a - (a+2) or f|2 ...

20:46:57 [rik]

i was proving a was prime.

20:47:28 [AaronSw]

and f can't be two because it's odd, so it must be 1

20:47:51 [rik]

* rik nods

21:02:48 [Morbus]

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21:03:52 [Morbus]

whoohoo! check oreillynet.com. i got me head on the page. yah!

21:16:34 [AaronSw]

wow!

21:18:04 [Morbus]

yah! doesn't that rock?

21:19:15 [AaronSw]

indeed

21:24:00 [Morbus]

AaronSw: http://www.macwebb.com/emailFreedom/

21:24:04 [Morbus]

maybe i'll use imap after all ;)

21:24:37 [AaronSw]

:-)

21:24:51 [Morbus]

oop. nevermind.

21:24:55 [Morbus]

eudora can't have arbi...

21:24:57 [Morbus]

well.. hmm.

21:25:05 [Morbus]

i guess i could set the mailboxes to eudora's library folder.

21:25:08 [Morbus]

yeah, thatd work.

21:26:01 [Morbus]

wait.. how d...

21:26:03 [Morbus]

AaronSw, quesiton.

21:26:17 [Morbus]

what are they talking about here:

21:26:17 [Morbus]

[[[

21:26:18 [Morbus]

The other thing you need to do is to set the "Root Folder" (Entourage) or "Account Path Prefix" (Mail.app) to what you set MAILDIR to here. Don't include $HOME/. Now coax your mail client to retrieve messages from the server, and you've got it made!

21:26:18 [Morbus]

]]]

21:26:33 [Morbus]

i'm not sure what they mean. why do I need to do that if the IMAP folder will be handling the folders?

21:27:25 [AaronSw]

that sounds like a mistake

21:28:00 [Morbus]

ok.

21:28:17 [Morbus]

* Morbus reads about foaf whitelists / rdf

21:30:06 [Morbus]

ooh. shamail.py.

21:30:09 [Ash]

FOAF

21:31:37 [Morbus]

AaronSw: how do whitelists work with mailing lists?

21:31:53 [AaronSw]

the losers on the mailing list get blocked. mwahaha

21:32:02 [Morbus]

uh... <G>

21:32:18 [Morbus]

* Morbus makes note to stick whitelist after mL parsing is done ;)

21:32:37 [AaronSw]

i think whitelists are stupid

21:32:47 [AaronSw]

i like getting mail from new people

21:32:48 [Morbus]

then why'd you make one?

21:32:57 [Morbus]

i *always* get mail from new people.

21:33:07 [AaronSw]

because i got a cookie

21:33:07 [Morbus]

tons of people from gamegrene, oreilly readers, disobey weirdos.

21:33:10 [Morbus]

blah blah blah.

21:33:15 [AaronSw]

and me

21:33:18 [AaronSw]

don't forget me

21:33:19 [Morbus]

i'm not sure whitelists are gonna work for me either.

21:33:34 [Morbus]

uh, you haven't mailed me since the great sYP days.

21:33:41 [AaronSw]

shuddup

21:40:51 [davb]

I think you need a seperate address for each mailing list etc. see tmda: http://software.libertine.org/tmda/index.html

21:41:24 [Morbus]

* Morbus bookmarks

21:42:33 [davb]

that can make tagged addresses for different uses and it sends a "reply to this to verify you are not spam" message to new senders.

21:47:16 [Morbus]

AaronSw, you seen this: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100490/2002/04/27.html

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21:48:15 [AaronSw]

heh

21:48:42 [AaronSw]

that's odd

21:48:58 [AaronSw]

i don't have the drive light bit

21:49:21 [Morbus]

hehehe. there seems to be a lot of interesting stuff in here, but i more was pointing to the python thing ;)

21:49:40 [AaronSw]

SpngeBobSquarePants

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21:59:02 [syn|ack]

j #rdfig

21:59:03 [syn|ack]

bah

22:17:44 [sbp]

* sbp waves

22:18:58 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla waves

22:20:11 [sbp]

short period of abstainance, jill!?

22:20:24 [Ash]

jillzilla

22:20:48 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla is severely limiting irc, not necessarily abstaining.

22:20:54 [jillzilla]

ash

22:21:05 [AaronSw]

i tld hr 2 spk in sht sntcs

22:21:15 [AaronSw]

bt she no lstn

22:21:17 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla prefers silence!

22:21:22 [jillzilla]

ROWR!

22:21:54 [Ash]

HI JILLZILLA

22:22:04 [Ash]

IT'S EASIER TO TYPE IF U UES TEH CAPS!@$!1

22:22:06 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla waves again.

22:22:21 [Ash]

jillzilla is big brother, she just watches and listens

22:22:28 [jillzilla]

bwahahaha

22:23:23 [sbp]

and has an odd looking mustache

22:23:28 [jillzilla]

oi!

22:23:41 [jillzilla]

my mustache is gorgeous!

22:23:48 [Ash]

jillzilla, you should get a setup like steven hawking

22:23:58 [Ash]

oh man, my old boss at CalFarm had a mustache

22:24:02 [Ash]

it was sooo funny

22:24:09 [Ash]

she would forget to wax i guess

22:24:10 [Ash]

heh

22:24:29 [jillzilla]

facial waxing is excruciating.

22:24:41 [Ash]

jillzilla: Well, I imagine it is.

22:24:45 [Ash]

But hers was *BAD*

22:24:46 [Ash]

i mean

22:24:50 [Ash]

she looked mannish!

22:24:58 [Ash]

it looks like somebody beat her with an ugly stick!

22:25:05 [Ash]

</Austin Powers>

22:25:30 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw invisiblizes IRC

22:25:43 [jillzilla]

weird that it's not my mouse hand that hurts most.

22:25:53 [jillzilla]

it's my space bar hand.

22:26:06 [sbp]

wow... how many hands to you have? one for each key and device?

22:26:15 [sbp]

damn tyops

22:26:17 [jillzilla]

think of an Indian god.

22:26:23 [sbp]

heh, heh

22:26:39 [jillzilla]

my coffee-drinking hand is just fine.

22:26:56 [Ash]

heh

22:27:03 [sbp]

:-)

22:27:07 [Ash]

* Ash hands jillzilla a kinesis contoured keyboard

22:27:21 [jillzilla]

i've got an ergo keyboard.

22:27:29 [Ash]

what kind?

22:27:33 [jillzilla]

this is overuse, plain and simple.

22:27:40 [jillzilla]

goldtouch

22:27:47 [Ash]

is that the one that pops up in the middle?

22:27:51 [jillzilla]

yes

22:28:14 [Ash]

eww

22:28:15 [Ash]

hehe

22:28:20 [Ash]

* Ash hands jillzilla a kinesis contoured keyboard

22:28:29 [sbp]

you should have read the manual... "overuse causes pain"

22:28:43 [jillzilla]

you should talk...

22:28:45 [Ash]

I haven't been able to get myself into overuse mode ever so long as I used a kinesis all the time

22:28:48 [Ash]

hehe

22:28:57 [jillzilla]

Ash: hmmmmmmm, cool.

22:29:03 [Ash]

I was working 100+hrs a week and doing fine

22:29:14 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla sends mail to the facilities folks.

22:29:20 [sbp]

* sbp giggles - that was almost a zing

22:29:24 [Ash]

jillzilla: Just request a kinesis classic

22:29:34 [Ash]

Plus, the programmable features come in handy when you're coding.

22:29:44 [Ash]

http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/contoured.htm

22:29:49 [jillzilla]

are they usable with linux?

22:29:53 [Ash]

jillzilla: Totally.

22:29:58 [Ash]

That's what I'm using right now.

22:29:58 [jillzilla]

woo

22:30:04 [Ash]

The programmable stuff is all hardware

22:30:09 [Ash]

built into the keyboard

22:30:14 [Ash]

So it's OS-agnostic

22:30:16 [jillzilla]

woo2

22:30:33 [walloper]

<lilo> "I lift this clavicle to worlds without number, and bring a new light to the Way, guiding this gate that all may prosper, those who guide and are guided, who light the Way and bask in the light so given....Behold, I open a new world."

22:30:38 [Ash]

Plus my typing speed jumped up once I got used to the keyboard layout.

22:30:38 [Ash]

dude

22:30:41 [Ash]

somebody please kill lilo

22:30:41 [sbp]

uh oh, another one

22:30:46 [Ash]

SOMEBODY PLEASE KILL LILO

22:30:46 [walloper]

<lilo> Please welcome hardy.openprojects.net, a new main rotation hub for OPN, located somewhere

22:31:31 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla walks downstairs to ask for a new keyboard.

22:31:37 [Ash]

* Ash high fives jillzilla

22:31:56 [Ash]

I have two of them here in my office, they're just wonderful.

22:32:02 [Ash]

I think a few other #infoanarchy residents use them as well.

22:35:09 [rik]

Ash: keyboards?

22:35:38 [Ash]

rik: Yes, kinesis contoured

22:35:39 [rik]

that's so 0ld sk00l. real men have PS2 adapters dangling from the back of their head.

22:35:44 [Ash]

heh heh

22:35:45 [rik]

oh. right.

22:35:48 [Ash]

Well, this is the next best thing.

22:35:49 [Ash]

:)

22:35:53 [rik]

i can't type on bendy keyboards.

22:36:07 [Ash]

Once you've used it for a week or so you're back to normal.

22:36:16 [Ash]

This is a ton better than the lame MS "ergonomic" keyboards.

22:36:23 [rik]

my hands move when i type. if i have to type words just on the leftof the keyboard, then my right hand moves over

22:36:39 [Ash]

Ah.

22:36:39 [rik]

this failes to work when i suddenly need one of tgvyhb.

22:36:46 [Ash]

I just use the regular home-keys method

22:36:56 [Ash]

which is really easy on the kinesis since the home keys feel different from the rest.

22:36:57 [rik]

i'm self taught :)

22:36:58 [Ash]

heh

22:36:58 [jillzilla]

rik: you freak. :-)

22:37:02 [Ash]

Well, so am I.

22:37:05 [rik]

heheh

22:37:06 [Ash]

I just learned the home-key method

22:37:16 [Ash]

shoot, what was the program called

22:37:19 [rik]

jillzilla: but fast, and i can touch type.

22:37:20 [Ash]

it was on my commodore 64

22:37:28 [rik]

Ash: Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing ?

22:37:31 [Ash]

no

22:37:32 [Ash]

it was a game

22:37:37 [rik]

heh

22:37:39 [Ash]

you blew up letters as they fell from the sky

22:37:41 [Ash]

it was cool

22:37:43 [sbp]

ugh, weird assed serialization error...

22:37:46 [rik]

oh. i have the on my palm :)

22:38:02 [Ash]

rik: Pretty much the same game as that, but it had a bunch of other modes too.

22:38:11 [rik]

* rik nods

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22:38:30 [Ash]

jillzilla: Once I switched completely off of regular keyboards I never got pain even when I type a crapload.

22:39:02 [Ash]

I'll get a little bit of achiness if I'm programming for over 12 hours in a day, but it's gone by the next morning and it's not the shooting, icky hrorible pain I used to get with regular keyboards.

22:39:19 [rik]

heh. i could type fater than the secretaries at zen. that was funny.

22:39:24 [Ash]

heh

22:43:23 [sbp]

ugh! this is bizarre. I'm iterating over the keys in a dictionary, and then it's saying it can't find the key in the dictionary

22:44:03 [rik]

are you modifying the keys?

22:44:15 [sbp]

nope; all I do is sort them

22:44:25 [rik]

how strange.

22:44:26 [sbp]

and in fact, the sorting code is commented out

22:45:35 [sbp]

not only that, but this key shouldn't even be *in* the dictionary to begin with. it just sorta appeared there

22:45:58 [deltab]

jillzilla: sorry to hear about your tendon

22:46:07 [AaronSw]

must. focus. on. work.

22:46:23 [jillzilla]

<Ash> you blew up letters as they fell from the sky

22:46:25 [jillzilla]

hahahahaha

22:46:35 [jillzilla]

thanks, deltab.

22:46:55 [jillzilla]

sbp: multi-threaded?

22:47:25 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla learned to type from a book. On a...*gasp* typewriter.

22:48:58 [deltab]

jillzilla: hmm, munin stopped responding a few minutes ago

22:49:05 [jillzilla]

uh-oh.

22:49:28 [sbp]

oh man, this is just too funny... it actually performs two lookups, and finds it the first time, but not the second. WTF?!

22:49:30 [sbp]

nope, it's not multi-threaded

22:49:43 [jillzilla]

sbp: print the dict before the second?

22:49:54 [deltab]

it's back now

22:49:57 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla is far from munin. :-(

22:50:04 [jillzilla]

oh, good.

22:50:17 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw invisiblizes IRC again

22:50:21 [sbp]

well, the dict is enormous for the particular test... I may have got it, though

22:53:06 [sbp]

didn't work...

22:53:11 [sbp]

* sbp does as Jill suggests

22:53:35 [AaronSw]

hm: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200205/msg00014.html

22:55:16 [AaronSw]

the ramifications aren't clear

22:55:18 [AaronSw]

GR: dinner

22:56:02 [sbp]

wow, the subject really isn't in the keys of this dictionary. bizarre

22:57:05 [sbp]

oh, got it

22:57:09 [Ash]

jillzilla: Hey, the commodore 64 was one crazy machine

22:57:10 [Ash]

rawr

22:57:23 [Ash]

I cannot for the life of me remember the name of that game though.

22:57:30 [Ash]

It had a bunch of other stuff besides typing.

22:58:44 [sbp]

what was it about?

22:58:56 [sbp]

there's this great commodore games emulation site thing

22:59:05 [Ash]

sbp: It had a bunch of learning games and stuff

22:59:14 [sbp]

oh, a compilation?

22:59:17 [Ash]

I'm looking through a list of c64 games to see if I can find it

22:59:19 [Ash]

sorta yeah

22:59:25 [sbp]

heh, I had stacks of tapes

23:03:06 [Ash]

I was leet

23:03:18 [Ash]

i had a 1541 disk drive

23:03:26 [sbp]

Pff

23:03:29 [Ash]

tons of disks

23:03:31 [Ash]

rawr

23:03:45 [sbp]

cartridges were best

23:04:06 [Ash]

yeah

23:04:09 [Ash]

i had a bunch of those too

23:34:03 [jillzilla]

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23:34:08 [AaronSw]

hm, can someone say my name (aaron) on the hour?

23:34:15 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw turns volume up

23:34:45 [davb]

where's that bot that remind you of stuff?

23:35:21 [AaronSw]

i killed him cuz he took 99% cpu

23:35:53 [notZakim]

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23:36:12 [AaronSw]

notZakim, ping me in 23 minutes about aaron telecon

23:36:13 [notZakim]

ok, AaronSw

23:36:28 [davb]

heh

23:36:41 [AaronSw]

nobody say my name in between :)

23:36:45 [davb]

ouch, that is alot of cpu for an alarm clock.

23:36:50 [AaronSw]

yeah

23:36:57 [AaronSw]

it must've been checking checking checking

23:37:07 [davb]

* davb stops bothering the one who may not be named

23:37:25 [AaronSw]

:-)

23:37:57 [sbp]

what's that we're not allowed to say?

23:38:08 [AaronSw]

aaron or phrases that contain it

23:38:11 [AaronSw]

or words

23:38:24 [deltab]

AaronSw: sleep 21m; printf '\7telecon'

23:38:31 [AaronSw]

he said it! aargh

23:38:42 [AaronSw]

the beep isn't loud enough.

23:38:53 [AaronSw]

and i don't have beep installed on my sysetm

23:39:00 [deltab]

OSX?

23:39:03 [AaronSw]

yeah

23:39:11 [deltab]

can you do something with osascript?

23:39:16 [AaronSw]

ah, good idea

23:39:26 [AaronSw]

echo "say 'aaron, you jerk!'" | osascript

23:40:02 [AaronSw]

oops, reverse the quoting

23:40:25 [deltab]

' vs " matters to osa?

23:40:31 [AaronSw]

appears so

23:40:53 [AaronSw]

hm, that was _not_ 20 minutes

23:41:05 [AaronSw]

argh, seems os x sleep only supports seconds

23:41:28 [AaronSw]

well, zakim should do

23:42:09 [sbp]

do you want me to record a little mp3 of me saying "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! Aaron, get back in that cell. Don't make me fetch the hose"?

23:42:23 [AaronSw]

aargh, you said it too

23:42:27 [sbp]

heh, heh

23:42:29 [AaronSw]

i can see this system will be abused

23:42:36 [sbp]

that was unintentional

23:42:44 [sbp]

you should have set a different keyword

23:42:52 [sbp]

one that we're less likely to use

23:43:24 [AaronSw]

it's built into my irc client

23:43:27 [AaronSw]

ok, time to rock

23:43:29 [AaronSw]

c'ya

23:43:31 [sbp]

c'ya

23:43:32 [AaronSw]

GR

23:44:24 [deltab]

sleep $[15*60]

23:59:12 [notZakim]

AaronSw, you asked to be pinged at this time about aaron telecon

23:59:31 [sbp]

.time

23:59:31 [xena]

2002/05/02 23:59:31.3559 Universal

23:59:38 [sbp]

hey, there's half a minute to go, yet!