IRC log of swhack on 2002-05-01

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00:14:14 [sbp]

* sbp concludes one of the collest bits of net detective work of all time

00:14:17 [sbp]

s/coll/cool/

00:17:46 [sbp]

erm... is this right?

00:17:47 [sbp]

.http://www.theweekly.co.uk/

00:17:49 [xena]

THIS SITE HACKED BY THE BLACK QUORUM

00:18:27 [sbp]

I guess now :-)

00:18:37 [sbp]

s/now/not/

00:19:03 [sbp]

* sbp writes a thank you card to the person who invented the s// substitution syntax

00:19:14 [sbp]

s%s//%s///%

00:33:15 [jillzilla]

don't forget to give the card a light scent.

00:37:00 [sbp]

all my cards smell of beer. perhaps keeping them in the fridge is not the best idea

00:37:18 [jillzilla]

Oh dear. At least they don't smell of cheese.

00:37:21 [jillzilla]

do they?

00:37:49 [sbp]

nope. I try to avoid cheesy beers

00:37:56 [jillzilla]

hmph.

00:39:09 [AaronSw]

is the detective thing online?

00:39:17 [AaronSw]

what's with the s% syntax?

00:39:21 [AaronSw]

who's the card addressed to?

00:39:56 [sbp]

what? / because it means I don't have to escape the slashes / I haven't found out yet

00:40:56 [sbp]

heh, I just wrote the following for a new opinions page... I just have to paste it in

00:40:57 [sbp]

[[[

00:40:58 [sbp]

It's funny; when I was at college, there were lots of people engaging in

00:40:59 [sbp]

strange activities, and trying to "find" themselves. But I always knew

00:40:59 [sbp]

where to find myself. I'd be on the nearest sofa watching The Simpsons.

00:41:00 [sbp]

]]]

00:41:33 [sbp]

this new thing may or may not make it

00:42:21 [AaronSw]

* sbp concludes one of the coolest bits of net detective work of all time

00:42:24 [AaronSw]

what were you detecting?

00:42:32 [sbp]

can't say

00:42:37 [AaronSw]

Hmph

00:42:49 [jillzilla]

sbp is such a tease.

00:43:00 [AaronSw]

Can you say if you'll be able to say?

00:43:01 [sbp]

or *am* I?

00:43:04 [sbp]

yeah, I am

00:43:12 [sbp]

can I do what now?

00:43:25 [AaronSw]

will you ever be able to reveal what you were detecting?

00:43:28 [AaronSw]

the espians have a new server: xia

00:43:47 [sbp]

I may one day reveal it, yes

00:44:22 [sbp]

cool. is this the Jill-hosted-electric-citadel

00:44:22 [sbp]

?

00:45:52 [jillzilla]

No, it's not. Mine is called munin.

00:46:15 [sbp]

* sbp gives up on his neoopinions thing, and reaches for rm

00:46:17 [AaronSw]

it's apparently at some host or something

00:46:33 [deltab]

theplanet

00:47:01 [sbp]

great! anything with a "the" in it is ammo for Ash when it goes wrong

00:47:42 [AaronSw]

<AHS> WE ARE TEH PLANETZ@@@(#@*@!!!! WE ARZ IRN E ELIGNMEBNT!!!!

00:47:55 [sbp]

precisely :-)

00:47:59 [AaronSw]

tav is really in love with this server....

00:48:07 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla 's server gets jealous.

00:48:33 [AaronSw]

[censored quote from tav]

00:48:43 [sbp]

tav loves everything

00:48:43 [Morbus]

Morbus (morbus@s114.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack

00:48:50 [AaronSw]

morBUS!

00:48:59 [sbp]

MORbus!

00:49:11 [AaronSw]

WHERE ARE TEH FONTZ?!

00:49:11 [jillzilla]

moRBUs!

00:50:01 [Morbus]

ack!

00:50:12 [Morbus]

* Morbus runs and hides.

00:50:14 [Morbus]

too... much... love!

00:50:24 [AaronSw]

at least we're not braiding hair today

00:50:40 [sbp]

we don't love you. we're just screaming because you entered the channel

00:50:47 [Morbus]

katie cut my hair by like two inches recently.

00:50:53 [jillzilla]

*gasp*

00:50:59 [Morbus]

and i just bought glasses. $313 bucks.

00:51:05 [Morbus]

i should get them tomorrow.

00:51:12 [jillzilla]

if you can find your way there.

00:51:14 [sbp]

dollarbucks?

00:51:20 [sbp]

is that like a new coffe place?

00:51:31 [Morbus]

heh. its a few blocks away.

00:51:41 [jillzilla]

Right next door to the New Pedantic.

00:51:42 [Morbus]

heh. fine. US313 bucks.

00:51:42 [Morbus]

;)

00:51:45 [sbp]

heh. 313 dollarbucks road

00:51:51 [Morbus]

er wait, its 313US bucks, right?

00:51:56 [Morbus]

is that the right way? i keep forgeting.

00:52:02 [Morbus]

i think its prefaced. yah.

00:52:11 [jillzilla]

USD$313

00:52:14 [sbp]

USB? I think that acronym's already taken

00:52:36 [Morbus]

i had to take some stupid test today.

00:53:00 [Morbus]

the stupid essay i had to write was dumb, dumb, dumb.

00:53:07 [Morbus]

i kept wanting to say "i can't write without my toolz!".

00:53:22 [jillzilla]

BBEdit or bust!

00:54:02 [Morbus]

bbedit, exactly.

00:54:06 [Morbus]

it was so hurtful.

00:54:06 [Morbus]

my hands hurt bad.

00:54:22 [Morbus]

i haven't written that much with my hand in long.

00:54:27 [AaronSw]

tav's no longer coming to SF, he spent the money on a hoo^W xia.

00:54:55 [AaronSw]

yeah, i hate writing essays by hand

00:54:56 [Morbus]

i may write the essay for dnn.

00:55:01 [Morbus]

er, transcript it.

00:55:01 [Morbus]

oh. decepticons.

00:55:03 [AaronSw]

i get terrible cramps because i can't hold the pencil right

00:55:09 [Morbus]

they couldn't figure out where to publish it, so i'm weblogging it on oreilly.

00:55:16 [Morbus]

thts where dave/derrick suggested.

00:55:17 [Morbus]

AaronSw: exactly!

00:55:42 [Morbus]

even now, as I type, my thumbs feel all gelled up, like i'm got cramps or something

00:55:51 [sbp]

deceptions. on a weblog. O.K.

00:56:10 [Morbus]

yeah, the ora weblog.

00:56:20 [Morbus]

not sure how much play that'll get, but at least its more than dnn or evolt.

00:56:32 [sbp]

writing with pens or pencils is so annoying. they just don't move fast enough

00:56:35 [Morbus]

and maybe i'll get a column head on the main page ;)

00:56:38 [Morbus]

that's a play on words, even.

00:56:47 [AaronSw]

So much for my plans to get a jill-aaronsw-tav keysigning.

00:56:51 [Morbus]

heh, heh. tht's right!

00:57:11 [Morbus]

my scrawl was bd. in my draft, i was doin like first three letters of the word, and then moving on ;)

00:57:21 [sbp]

heh, heh

00:57:22 [Morbus]

keysigning?

00:57:41 [AaronSw]

yeah, i was going to meet tav and jillzilla in SF and have us all sign each others GPG keys

00:57:51 [sbp]

I'm going to learn the gzip compression algorithm and write in bytes

00:58:09 [Morbus]

ahh.

00:58:18 [AaronSw]

but now tav's not coming

00:58:23 [Morbus]

why do you need that sort of protection?

00:58:33 [jillzilla]

it's the principle.

00:58:33 [Morbus]

i've never understood that amount of oopmh.

00:58:33 [Morbus]

maybe i have nothing important to say.

00:58:36 [Morbus]

* Morbus shrugs

00:58:51 [Morbus]

jillzilla: what's the principle?

00:58:56 [jillzilla]

using crypto.

00:59:07 [sbp]

the principle is that you hold a big crypto party! beer

00:59:13 [jillzilla]

and pool!

00:59:27 [Morbus]

keep going.

00:59:27 [Morbus]

* Morbus scratches head.

00:59:35 [Morbus]

i don't rape you because of the principle.

01:00:11 [Morbus]

stick and ball?

01:00:21 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if that sentence needed a comma

01:00:23 [Morbus]

now i'm in no mood to do anything else.

01:00:23 [Morbus]

stupid crap.

01:00:36 [Morbus]

i didn't accomplish a single thing today.

01:00:36 [Morbus]

stayed home from work and everything.

01:01:08 [Morbus]

sigh.

01:01:08 [Morbus]

i have three choices of modules.

01:01:25 [Morbus]

Getopt::Std which adds only 4k to a compiled exe.

01:01:30 [Morbus]

but it is draconian in what it'll accept for cmd line flags.

01:01:42 [sbp]

do rock-paper-scissors with yourself

01:01:53 [Morbus]

then there's Getopt::Long, which is magical, adds 40k, but could be considered "wordy" in the code.

01:02:15 [Morbus]

then there's CGI.pm which is HUuUUUge (140k+ plus), but allows very very quick and easy cmd line flags.

01:02:20 [Morbus]

sigh.

01:02:34 [Morbus]

i talk too much.

01:02:34 [Morbus]

* Morbus hushes.

01:02:43 [sbp]

wow. it's quite fun playing with yourself

01:02:56 [sbp]

rock-paper-scissors, that is

01:03:06 [jillzilla]

jillzilla has changed the topic to: <sbp> wow. it's quite fun playing with yourself

01:03:20 [Morbus]

* Morbus peers at sbp

01:03:47 [jillzilla]

especially the part where the rock smashes the scissors to bits.

01:03:47 [sbp]

heh, that was almost a Morbus style correction

01:04:09 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla feels crappy.

01:04:15 [Morbus]

heh. heh.

01:04:20 [sbp]

heh

01:04:41 [Morbus]

[[[

01:04:41 [Morbus]

Researchers at the University of Cincinnati College of

01:04:41 [Morbus]

Medicine report that cloned mice get fat in adulthood, raising

01:04:41 [Morbus]

the specter that attempting to clone, say, Janet Jackson could

01:04:41 [Morbus]

result in Oprah Winfrey, while a cloned Kevin Bacon could

01:04:42 [Morbus]

eventually resemble John Madden. The advantage is that it would

01:04:43 [Morbus]

replace "glandular problems" as the most overused excuse for

01:04:44 [AaronSw]

keysignings are just fun

01:04:45 [Morbus]

obesity, as in, "Don't be mean to her. She's CLONED."

01:04:48 [Morbus]

]]]

01:05:16 [sbp]

where do you find these things?

01:05:31 [Morbus]

[[[

01:05:31 [Morbus]

Brought to you by THE JOE BOB REPORT

01:05:31 [Morbus]

http://www.joebobbriggs.com

01:05:32 [Morbus]

]]]

01:05:32 [sbp]

and why is there an AaronSw quote in the middle of it?

01:05:41 [AaronSw]

sorry, i was reading the scrollback

01:05:45 [Morbus]

joe bob being the guy behind God Stuff, TNT Monster Vision, etc.

01:06:07 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla is tempted to fuck with the quote deely.

01:06:24 [AaronSw]

fight the power

01:06:32 [sbp]

arse waver

01:06:38 [Morbus]

* Morbus is taken aback!

01:06:53 [Morbus]

* Morbus kicks the three prong.

01:07:12 [Morbus]

[[[

01:07:12 [Morbus]

Two hundred fifty million monarch butterflies froze to death

01:07:12 [Morbus]

and dropped into foot-high piles in the mountains of central

01:07:18 [Morbus]

Mexico during a winter storm. Cleanup crews will work around the

01:07:18 [Morbus]

clock so that second-graders aren't encouraged to cheat by using

01:07:18 [Morbus]

pre-mounted specimens.

01:07:18 [Morbus]

]]]

01:08:11 [Morbus]

heh, heh:

01:08:11 [Morbus]

[[[

01:08:11 [Morbus]

Convicted pot dealer Ed Forchion, better known as New Jersey

01:08:11 [Morbus]

Weedman, has filed a petition to have his name legally changed to

01:08:11 [Morbus]

NJWEEDMAN.COM. Forchion, who has battled to legalize marijuana

01:08:12 [Morbus]

for years by lighting up joints in courts, congressional offices

01:08:14 [Morbus]

and the State Senate chambers, is currently confined to

01:08:17 [Morbus]

Riverfront State Prison, where he continues to put out comic

01:08:18 [Morbus]

books starring himself as "NJ Weedman."

01:08:20 [Morbus]

Forchion counters

01:08:24 [Morbus]

that he intends to use his new name as "an advertising gimmick

01:08:24 [Morbus]

for my books, not as a criminal venture." He further adds that he

01:08:26 [Morbus]

frequently forgets his name.

01:08:28 [Morbus]

]]]

01:09:02 [AaronSw]

ah, but adding .com will make him remember it?

01:09:17 [Morbus]

[[[

01:09:17 [Morbus]

Jack Weigand of Mountaintop, Pa., ordered a Dell Inspiron

01:09:17 [Morbus]

4100 notebook computer that never showed up on the promised

01:09:17 [Morbus]

delivery date. When he called to find out what the problem was,

01:09:17 [Morbus]

he was told that Dell had decided NOT TO SELL IT TO HIM. The

01:09:17 [jillzilla]

.whois jillzilla.com

01:09:17 [Morbus]

reason: they didn't like the name of his company (Weigand Combat

01:09:17 [xena]

the VeriSign Registrar WHOIS database is provided by VeriSign for registered to nobody expires on eriSign Registrar WHOIS database is provided by VeriSign for

01:09:18 [Morbus]

Handguns).

01:09:28 [Morbus]

But Dell claimed that a shipment to Weigand was

01:09:28 [Morbus]

prohibited by law. (They didn't specify what law.) Weigand, taken

01:09:28 [Morbus]

aback, mentioned what happened on his website, and within hours

01:09:28 [Morbus]

he was swamped with email support. Once the story broke, Dell

01:09:28 [Morbus]

suddenly changed gears. "There was an unfortunate series of

01:09:30 [Morbus]

events," said Dell spokeswoman Cathie Hargett. "We should have,

01:09:32 [Morbus]

when the name of his company triggered a red flag, followed up

01:09:34 [Morbus]

with him immediately to ensure that his order was not in

01:09:36 [Morbus]

violation of U.S. export rules. Knowing what we know about him

01:09:38 [Morbus]

now, we know that is not the case."

01:09:40 [Morbus]

(She didn't explain just

01:09:42 [Morbus]

exactly what export rules apply to a shipment that's not, uh,

01:09:45 [Morbus]

EXPORTED.) Dell then offered to send Weigand a free Inspiron

01:09:47 [Morbus]

4100, but the gunsmith wouldn't take it, saying he didn't want

01:09:48 [Morbus]

people to think he'd caused trouble just to save money. So, Dude,

01:09:50 [Morbus]

he's not gettin' a Dell.

01:09:52 [Morbus]

]]]

01:09:54 [Morbus]

my quote deely.

01:09:56 [AaronSw]

can you please stop the 300-foot-long pastes?

01:09:56 [Morbus]

it's been fucked up.

01:09:59 [Morbus]

sniff.

01:10:00 [sbp]

WTF are you doing?!

01:10:12 [AaronSw]

No match for "JILLZILLA.COM".

01:10:13 [Morbus]

AaronSw: no.

01:10:23 [AaronSw]

/kick Morbus :300-foot-long pastes

01:10:37 [Morbus]

fight the power, bitch.

01:10:37 [Morbus]

remember. stupid fucking medicine.

01:11:26 [sbp]

medication? medication?

01:11:28 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla gets grouchier.

01:11:38 [sbp]

* sbp will have to play that now... after this album

01:11:47 [AaronSw]

Why so grouchy, jillzilla?

01:12:02 [sbp]

CafeCam reports long lines, probably

01:13:03 [AaronSw]

.time est

01:13:04 [xena]

Apr. 30, 2002 9:13 pm US/Eastern

01:13:06 [AaronSw]

err

01:13:08 [AaronSw]

.time pst

01:13:08 [xena]

Apr. 30, 2002 6:13 pm US/Pacific

01:13:25 [jillzilla]

Dunno why I'm so grouchy. I have about 17 theories, all boring.

01:13:49 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries to think of de-grouchifiers

01:13:57 [AaronSw]

Ah, food.

01:13:58 [sbp]

coke!

01:14:23 [jillzilla]

coke makes me grouchier. It's inevitable.

01:14:27 [sbp]

pool... returning joke pages for popular Google searches... erm...

01:14:34 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla hasn't had coke in years.

01:14:38 [jillzilla]

Oooooh! Joke pages!

01:14:48 [sbp]

putting the CafeCam in the lavs without telling anyone

01:14:52 [jillzilla]

There are already people playing pool.

01:14:58 [jillzilla]

Hahaha! cafecam abuse!

01:15:15 [sbp]

betting $500 on a sports event - with someone else's money

01:15:21 [AaronSw]

heh:

01:15:21 [AaronSw]

.google porn

01:15:22 [xena]

porn: http://drew.corrupt.net/lp

01:15:25 [jillzilla]

Well, except I wouldn't care.

01:15:39 [jillzilla]

But it's a good idea!

01:16:05 [sbp]

heh, that's pretty great

01:16:08 [jillzilla]

I'm bored bored bored bored bored.

01:16:19 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla whinges tediously.

01:16:27 [Morbus]

jillzilla: me too

01:16:30 [AaronSw]

Jill? Bored?

01:16:39 [AaronSw]

How can you be bored? you have the search ticker!

01:16:42 [jillzilla]

Boredom is rare for me.

01:16:43 [Morbus]

* Morbus takes flight.

01:16:49 [jillzilla]

Very rare.

01:16:50 [sbp]

why don't you tattoo parts of yourselves with naughty words?

01:16:58 [jillzilla]

It usually means that I'm grossly overworking.

01:17:01 [jillzilla]

Hmmm. Wait...

01:17:04 [Morbus]

oooh.

01:17:08 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla tallies up work time for the last three days.

01:17:09 [Morbus]

jillzilla, i'll tatoo you, you do me.

01:17:18 [jillzilla]

I'd rather be done than tattooed.

01:17:48 [sbp]

erm...

01:17:51 [AaronSw]

camera cuts to Morbus' face

01:17:54 [Morbus]

AaronSw: ever tried mulberry?

01:17:58 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: <jillzilla> I'd rather be done than tattooed

01:18:04 [AaronSw]

that was anti-climatic

01:18:07 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla has done nothing but sleep, work, and use drugs to attempt to work more for the last three days.

01:18:07 [sbp]

heh. I knew I'd get my own back

01:18:10 [jillzilla]

No wonder I'm bored!

01:18:23 [jillzilla]

sbp: I knew as soon as I said that that it was going into the topic. But it was too late.

01:18:29 [Morbus]

jillzilla: tried electric blue jolt?

01:18:34 [Morbus]

or the expresso jolt?

01:18:37 [Morbus]

penguin mints?

01:18:39 [AaronSw]

I have not used mulberry. but cyrusoft sounds familiar...

01:18:42 [sbp]

I'm surprised it took me so long to decide that it was topic material

01:18:51 [AaronSw]

well mulberry does too

01:19:10 [jillzilla]

I'm heading to the zen center in ten mniutes.

01:19:15 [jillzilla]

or minutes, whichever comes first.

01:19:17 [Morbus]

i've heard good things about it.

01:19:23 [Morbus]

i'm tryiing it oyt now.

01:19:58 [jillzilla]

I want to REDESIGN EVERYTHING!

01:20:01 [Morbus]

ooh. gnupg support.

01:20:06 [Morbus]

let's have a key signing!

01:20:08 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Mulberry, Jolts, and Zen

01:20:10 [Morbus]

* Morbus waves his hands around.

01:20:11 [jillzilla]

yaaay!

01:20:20 [sbp]

ooh. beer

01:20:24 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla creates random keys and signs them.

01:20:30 [jillzilla]

a beer signing!

01:20:48 [Morbus]

a peer beer signing!

01:20:54 [Morbus]

a peer to beer signing!

01:21:02 [sbp]

don't let's get carried away, now

01:21:20 [Morbus]

anonymous imap? how's that work?

01:21:20 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla gets excited over the difference between voiced and unvoiced consonants.

01:21:44 [sbp]

wow. you are bored

01:21:53 [jillzilla]

Well, no, that's normal for me.

01:22:00 [jillzilla]

Wheee!

01:22:08 [sbp]

no, it's normal for me, which indicates that something is wrong with you

01:22:13 [jillzilla]

I'm going to code for ten minutes, then go to the zen center.

01:22:25 [jillzilla]

sbp: I fear we share this dubious normality, and there's nothing you can do about it.

01:23:00 [AaronSw]

A Zen Center doesn't sound very zen...

01:23:06 [sbp]

lol!

01:23:07 [jillzilla]

AaronSw: ??

01:23:11 [Morbus]

heh!

01:23:16 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: A Zen Center doesn't sound very zen...

01:23:21 [sbp]

oops

01:23:24 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: <AaronSw> A Zen Center doesn't sound very zen...

01:23:25 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla is relieved.

01:23:34 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw feels validated

01:23:55 [sbp]

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=person:AaronSwartz

01:24:11 [AaronSw]

"Sorry, this type of URI is not supported by this service."

01:24:25 [sbp]

* sbp writes a bug report up for w-v

01:25:00 [Morbus]

9 megs for mulberry. sigh.

01:25:29 [davb]

davb has quit ("Client Exiting")

01:25:38 [sbp]

3 quarks for muster Mark. heh.

01:26:41 [AaronSw]

Hm, days are so depressing.

01:27:10 [sbp]

nights are pretty funky though, aren't they?

01:27:35 [AaronSw]

Nights are just when you're depressed

01:27:36 [sbp]

cheer up, guys

01:27:46 [AaronSw]

after the day depresses you

01:28:05 [sbp]

wow. #swhack is in depress-o-rama mood today

01:28:10 [jillzilla]

"Night time is only the other side of daytime/but if you've ever waited for the sun/You know what it's like/to wish daytime would come."

01:28:10 [sbp]

* sbp flicks through the channels

01:28:37 [sbp]

I was thinking more of "Break on Through"

01:28:42 [sbp]

but hey, whatever works for you

01:29:07 [jillzilla]

I need a greater phi to break on through. I'm instead going to stumble on along.

01:29:32 [sbp]

ramble on

01:29:33 [AaronSw]

a greater phi? wouldn't that imply that you'd have less divisors...

01:29:51 [sbp]

no! she needs a greater work function

01:30:43 [sbp]

"hear the wind whistle in the trees..."

01:30:46 [sbp]

man, I love this song

01:30:51 [sbp]

I love lots of songs

01:30:58 [sbp]

but I love this song

01:31:24 [AaronSw]

awesome: "Dutch law allows children ages 12 to 16 to make their own decision about sex. But if Mom and Dad feel a relationship is exploitative, they can ask the authorities to investiate."

01:31:37 [AaronSw]

Those Dutch are always so ahead of us.

01:32:35 [sbp]

oops

01:32:41 [sbp]

s/whistle in/within/

01:33:18 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw hums a tune that is only half-depressed

01:33:33 [jillzilla]

Wow, I wrote more code in the ten minutes since I complained and got all the cool suggestions than I had in the two hours before.

01:33:45 [jillzilla]

Haven't tested it or anything crazy like that. But still...

01:34:27 [AaronSw]

Moral: complaining is good for the soul

01:34:39 [AaronSw]

Hm, I need to code something. But what?

01:34:39 [jillzilla]

It broke up a logjam this time.

01:35:25 [sbp]

"I've been mistreated babe, I believe I'll shake em on down"

01:35:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw hunts for a logjam/lumberjack joke

01:35:48 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla heads for the zen center. Later!

01:35:53 [AaronSw]

c'ya

01:37:21 [sbp]

another "Why Python Rocks" article: http://opag.ca/article_mike1.shtml

01:37:49 [sbp]

ten a penny, I know...

01:39:00 [AaronSw]

I wonder if Arc will have Python's artistry. Probably not...

01:41:40 [AaronSw]

I think I will fix the cgi module.

01:41:45 [AaronSw]

Gee, I'm feeling less depressed already.

01:41:47 [sbp]

wow, Uche's .sig is huge

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01:56:14 [sbp]

* sbp downloads Amaya 6.1

01:56:52 [sbp]

* sbp wonders what's changed since 5.3

01:57:25 [sbp]

Hmm... a few things: http://www.w3.org/Amaya/User/New

02:01:49 [AaronSw]

Lisa Rein's songs have surprisingly high production values

02:03:44 [sbp]

studio-quality?

02:03:59 [AaronSw]

They sound that way, I'm not really one to judge, though.

02:04:08 [sbp]

@ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/01/science/01HUBB.html

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02:04:42 [chumpy]

A: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/01/science/01HUBB.html from sbp

02:05:08 [sbp]

come on, chumpy!

02:05:12 [sbp]

dear me

02:05:16 [sbp]

A:|Telescope Opens Window on Dawn of the Universe

02:05:17 [AaronSw]

heh

02:05:33 [chumpy]

titled item A

02:06:00 [sbp]

it'll be slower than logster soon

02:06:38 [Ash]

A:\Telescope Opens Window of the Damned on the Universe

02:06:48 [AaronSw]

it's A:: here, ash

02:06:54 [Ash]

Oh!

02:06:56 [sbp]

heh

02:06:59 [Ash]

A::Telescope Opens Window of the Damned on the Universe

02:07:06 [AaronSw]

I'd move it to vorpal, but i can't ge thte stupif xslt to work

02:07:10 [Ash]

That's how I read it

02:07:10 [Ash]

heh

02:07:13 [sbp]

ASH DOESNOT NOWE HOW TO USE TEH CHUMP!

02:07:17 [Ash]

window of damned

02:07:18 [chumpy]

commented item A

02:07:34 [sbp]

Aaron: why not?

02:07:45 [Ash]

sbp: NO, TEH CHUMPEY DOSE NOT KNOE HOW TO POEST TEH QUESTANS@!%1

02:07:55 [sbp]

heh, heh

02:08:20 [AaronSw]

Becuase the xslt module has this weird thing where it will generate foo.html for a foo.xml file, but since there's no actual index.html file it puts up a 404 for the directory rather than display the html

02:08:31 [AaronSw]

i guess i could generate the html statically, but it's a bit of a pain

02:08:35 [sbp]

ug

02:08:38 [sbp]

s/ug/ugh/

02:10:33 [AaronSw]

have you seen her dressed in bleu? seen the sky in front of you?

02:12:33 [sbp]

who?

02:15:14 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw was singing

02:15:26 [sbp]

* sbp guessed as much

02:15:34 [AaronSw]

The girl who comes in colors, of course

02:15:57 [AaronSw]

"The APL programming language had lots of nifty characters. They look best when printed by the IBM Selectric typeball."

02:16:03 [AaronSw]

ooh, Mac Propeller (U2318)

02:16:07 [sbp]

heh

02:16:54 [AaronSw]

the APL lamp looks uncanilly like a fingertip

02:17:05 [sbp]

I don't think that dogcow should be allowed in here without moofing at least every five minutes

02:17:17 [AaronSw]

there's a dogcow unicode character?!

02:17:19 [sbp]

.google APL programming language

02:17:20 [xena]

APL programming language: http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/APL.html

02:17:53 [sbp]

heh: "Famous for its enormous character set, and for being able to write whole accounting packages or air traffic control systems with a few incomprehensible key strokes."

02:22:07 [sbp]

Gotta run

02:31:17 [AaronSw]

http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/cgi2.py

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02:38:18 [jeremiah]

hello

02:40:35 [AaronSw]

hey jeremiah

02:40:46 [jeremiah]

how's life?

02:41:08 [AaronSw]

Alright. I was feeling sort of down but I started coding and now I'm feeling better. You?

02:41:14 [jeremiah]

pretty good

02:41:19 [jeremiah]

plesh working out well?

02:41:59 [AaronSw]

Alright...I've been sort of neglecting it.

02:42:07 [jeremiah]

oh

02:42:14 [jeremiah]

what're you working on now?

02:42:21 [jeremiah]

I'm thinking of using pythoncard for the GUI for novocaine

02:42:24 [jeremiah]

it should be simple

02:42:36 [AaronSw]

PythonCard: neat, i'm interested in hearing how it is

02:42:59 [AaronSw]

right now i'm working on a Python mock-up of Semantic Web Services

02:43:01 [jeremiah]

yeah I just downloaded it, haven't messed around yet

02:43:03 [jeremiah]

cool

02:43:13 [jeremiah]

about the swservices

02:43:33 [davb]

AaronSw: cool.

02:43:39 [jeremiah]

so is this a replacement for XMLRPC/SOAP or what?

02:43:43 [AaronSw]

yeah, pretty much

02:43:47 [jeremiah]

cool

02:44:06 [jeremiah]

I think sleep makes you think about things, and I can see how people get irritated about SOAP now

02:44:23 [AaronSw]

Neat.

02:44:33 [jeremiah]

but i think it could be made to be Restful, so it would be satisfying somewhat, even though it might still make sense to be RPC

02:47:54 [walloper]

<lilo> Hi all. Restart on services in progress, shouldn't be intensely painful.

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02:50:15 [walloper]

<lilo> Services has been restarted. Thanks for your patience.

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02:51:15 [AaronSw]

hm, Somewhere Over the Rainbow, Israel Kamakawiwo'ole is quite pleasant

02:54:08 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries to think of a filename for his SWS api

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03:00:28 [jeremiah]

AaronSw: you should make the name relate to a cleaning product

03:00:32 [jeremiah]

like soap, but not

03:00:35 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

03:01:44 [jeremiah]

trying to get wxPython working

03:02:02 [jeremiah]

it's a little complex

03:05:09 [AaronSw]

heh, i love "Yankee Doodle Go Home"

03:06:43 [jeremiah]

grr

03:06:59 [jeremiah]

locale problems

03:07:03 [jeremiah]

it should default to english

03:07:05 [jeremiah]

but it doesn't wanna

03:07:26 [AaronSw]

"Do you want the war to end on a note of triumph or disaster?" "Like either way man, just so it swings. Scooby-dooby-doo!"

03:18:13 [sbp]

* sbp waves

03:18:26 [AaronSw]

wb

03:18:30 [sbp]

ty

03:18:32 [AaronSw]

np

03:18:37 [sbp]

:-)

03:18:40 [AaronSw]

Got any coding you'd like done?

03:19:20 [sbp]

yeah. code me a guidance mechanism for a rocket

03:19:34 [sbp]

oops, that's kinda a secret

03:19:41 [AaronSw]

:-)

03:19:49 [AaronSw]

try again

03:20:08 [AaronSw]

"Nuclear Missle Package. This is under the GNU GPL 2.0. The missles are not."

03:20:21 [sbp]

you could make this big decntralized P2P application that hashes data and stores it in a big triples database

03:20:31 [sbp]

* sbp listens to "As I Went Out One Morning"

03:20:33 [sbp]

heh

03:20:57 [sbp]

the missiles are under GPL 1

03:27:04 [AaronSw]

Aargh, my hair is so short!

03:27:23 [sbp]

wear a wig

03:27:44 [AaronSw]

Make me

03:27:53 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw pumps fist

03:27:54 [AaronSw]

got one!

03:28:10 [AaronSw]

yeah, yeah, i know. that was sort of sleezey. i was desperate

03:28:18 [sbp]

Mmmkay

03:29:23 [jeremiah]

hmm

03:29:34 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah wonders about getting involved with PythonCard

03:29:37 [jeremiah]

which btw: is rather cool

03:29:46 [jeremiah]

but still sorta sucky for a 'real' gui application

03:29:47 [AaronSw]

glad to here it

03:29:50 [AaronSw]

hm

03:29:59 [jeremiah]

doesn't appear to support drag and drop

03:30:03 [jeremiah]

and wxWindows is kinda limited

03:30:41 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah is going to bed

03:30:42 [jeremiah]

goodnight

03:30:54 [sbp]

c'ya

03:31:44 [AaronSw]

ditto

03:32:29 [Ash]

Ash is now known as wmf

03:32:43 [wmf]

ehehehe

03:32:52 [AaronSw]

uh oh

03:32:56 [sbp]

Hmm...

03:33:03 [wmf]

wmf is now known as Ash

03:33:25 [Ash]

heh heh

03:47:48 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks for today's photo

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04:07:51 [AaronSw]

hm, i should have taken it while it was daylight

04:08:13 [AaronSw]

the world is much more interesting than my house

04:11:17 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw uploads today's photo

04:13:43 [AaronSw]

.dns www.creativecommons.org

04:13:44 [xena]

www.creativecommons.org - gaierror: (-2, 'Name or service not known')

04:14:00 [sbp]

URI?

04:14:38 [AaronSw]

http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000239

04:15:13 [sbp]

thanks

04:15:17 [sbp]

and it's... a bulb!

04:15:38 [sbp]

quite cool, actually

04:15:56 [AaronSw]

thanks

04:16:39 [sbp]

ooh, I hadn't seen the shadow one before

04:17:31 [sbp]

that was clearly before the haircut :-)

04:17:39 [AaronSw]

heh!

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04:18:05 [AaronSw]

i'm making it a goal to get outside take "Religion" tomorrow... well, if it's nice

04:18:10 [AaronSw]

outside

04:18:42 [sbp]

how does one take "Religion"?

04:19:06 [AaronSw]

with a camera. it's a photo

04:19:17 [AaronSw]

albeit currently a theoretical one

04:19:34 [AaronSw]

well i've seen it, so it's not entirely theoretical

04:19:36 [sbp]

i.e. wait and see

04:19:56 [AaronSw]

I lack the proper photographic terminology here.

04:20:10 [sbp]

any smeckily dundle, it's getting latish

04:21:12 [AaronSw]

the photo might be offensive to xians tho

04:21:23 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw standardizes on size=medium for all his photos, fixes some

04:21:45 [sbp]

you need a size 0.95 * large

04:21:55 [AaronSw]

why's that?

04:22:16 [sbp]

the picture fits in 800x600 nicely, but it makes the whole page just a little too wide

04:22:24 [AaronSw]

Ah.

04:23:05 [AaronSw]

they're nicely adjustable

04:23:11 [AaronSw]

medium is 480 by 480

04:23:27 [AaronSw]

.py .95 * 480

04:23:37 [AaronSw]

.py .95 * 480

04:23:37 [xena]

456.0

04:24:12 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw sets to 450 and regenerates

04:26:19 [AaronSw]

hm, that didn't seem to do anything

04:29:48 [sbp]

large is still a bit too big

04:29:56 [sbp]

perhaps you should just make the right margin 0

04:30:27 [AaronSw]

perhaps you should go to a higher resolution

04:31:16 [sbp]

perhaps you should make me

04:32:17 [sbp]

heh, anyway, the sun's going to rise soon!

04:32:28 [sbp]

we're drawing towards summer, ever onwards

04:32:33 [AaronSw]

I'm tempted to watch...

04:32:37 [sbp]

ooh, those lines were of the same length

04:33:13 [sbp]

Gotta run

04:33:30 [AaronSw]

nite

04:36:27 [AaronSw]

lol! http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war8.html

04:41:44 [Ash]

heh heh

04:58:07 [AaronSw]

kottke: "Americans are of the belief that when life hands you lemons, you sue the ever-living shit out of the person or company that will yield the most money, regardless of who is at fault."

05:06:51 [AaronSw]

lol: "Nicole Kidman plays a turn of century love goddess. And she falls in love with a penniless software writer. But a venture capitalist becomes an unwelcome third. So they hide their love until the initial public offering."

05:50:16 [AaronSw]

cool: http://www.tvbarn.com/2002/dvsfox.html

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05:53:48 [AaronSw]

<wmf> whoa, Bob Dylan doing "Creep"

05:53:54 [AaronSw]

that's gotta be so freaky

05:54:22 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw downloads

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06:02:47 [AaronSw]

heh, it is a little weird

06:03:09 [AaronSw]

Dylan: "I wish I was SPEHcial. I wish I was SPEHcial."

06:03:20 [AaronSw]

"But I'm a CREEeeeeeep."

06:04:33 [AaronSw]

heh, he got someone with a high voice to back him up

06:09:51 [AaronSw]

sleeptime. laters.

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06:34:04 [jillium]

This code is very hacky.

06:34:17 [jillium]

I'll have to look at it tomorrow to be sure (I'm too caught up in in right now).

06:34:23 [jillium]

But it ain't pretty.

06:34:29 [jillium]

* jillium just needed to share that.

07:14:46 [quasi]

to be sure that it is very hacky? or to be sure that really works[tm]?

07:36:06 [jillium]

to be sure it's hacky. I've written lots of unit tests.

07:36:19 [jillium]

Though I need to hand-check the tests for sanity as well. I"m quite tired.

07:36:41 [jillium]

* jillium waves to quasi.

07:38:02 [quasi]

* quasi waves back

07:39:17 [quasi]

* quasi is also very tired - maybe coffee will make it easier to get up and out of bed ;)

07:40:30 [jillium]

* jillium smiles.

07:40:42 [jillium]

I, on the other hand, am just about to fall face-first into bed.

07:40:47 [jillium]

Good morning to you!

07:41:15 [quasi]

good night to you ;)

07:41:29 [jillium]

* jillium collapses.

08:39:51 [syn|ack_]

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08:39:59 [syn|ack_]

hi folks

08:43:19 [rik]

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08:43:45 [rik]

* rik waves at people.

08:43:56 [syn|ack_]

hiya rik

08:44:04 [rik]

hihi

08:44:16 [rik]

oh look, it's a whole load of people i know from other channels :)

08:44:43 [rik]

hm. there's only 9 people out of 20 i don't know here.

08:44:55 [syn|ack_]

and 5 of them are bots?

08:46:07 [rik]

uhm. possibly :)

08:46:14 [rik]

hold on.. imwheel guy just woke up.

08:46:18 [syn|ack_]

i think all the voiced are bots

08:47:58 [rik]

ahh

08:48:10 [rik]

in that case, it drops to 5

08:48:39 [quasi]

* quasi is no bot ... (at least I don't think so :)

08:48:49 [rik]

heh

08:48:59 [rik]

okay, are AaronSw or sbp awake?

08:49:00 [syn|ack_]

hmmm...bot with emotes...

08:49:11 [syn|ack_]

* syn|ack_ grins at quasi

08:53:46 [rik]

hm. looks like we may just have to find out about RDF ourselves....

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12:55:51 [rik]

* rik waves at Morbus

12:56:29 [Morbus]

* Morbus peers at rik.

12:56:36 [Morbus]

* Morbus peers at title bar.

12:56:39 [Morbus]

* Morbus peers back at rik.

12:56:42 [Morbus]

...

12:56:44 [Morbus]

* Morbus scratches head.

12:56:48 [Morbus]

stupid windows.

12:56:51 [Morbus]

* Morbus restarts computer.

12:56:54 [rik]

* rik scratches Morbus's head too

12:58:56 [Morbus]

bwahahaha:

12:58:58 [Morbus]

[[[

12:58:58 [Morbus]

A member of your Internet service has sent me a virus. The members id is

12:58:59 [Morbus]

aaronsw. I want more information on this person. This type of Internet

12:58:59 [Morbus]

piracy needs to be stopped. I can supply you with what ever information you

12:58:59 [Morbus]

need. For now I am not going to take this issue any further if I do not get

12:59:00 [Morbus]

a response from you I shall have no choice but to seek damages.

12:59:01 [Morbus]

]]]

12:59:06 [Morbus]

names changed to make fun of the innocent.

12:59:20 [Morbus]

this is the sort of crap I get in my email. from an aol address, of course.

12:59:52 [rik]

hahah

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14:18:35 [quasi]

Morbus: you must pay up immediately ;)

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14:24:32 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

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14:24:45 [Morbus]

my boss just gave me the go-ahead to write a "Morbus" sorta email back.

14:24:49 [Morbus]

I love having that license ;)

14:38:28 [quasi]

* quasi is AFK - hoegaarden time ;)

14:47:01 [AaronSw]

morning

14:47:13 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw reads Discovdering Games 6

14:48:27 [AaronSw]

Whoa, a Scott McCloud photo! He's blond!

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15:15:06 [AaronSw]

It's a new month, and we all know what that means: mailman spam!

15:15:14 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

15:15:23 [Morbus]

i hate that stuff. i got like five already.

15:16:16 [rik]

It's a new month, and we all know what that means: reminders about lists you forgot you were subscribed to, so you can now unsibscribe.

15:19:56 [AaronSw]

whoa, rik is in here

15:20:08 [AaronSw]

I curse the people who invented those things...

15:20:29 [Morbus]

i can't stand mailman.

15:20:37 [Morbus]

i hate that you need a password, and i hate that the email interface sucks.

15:20:42 [Morbus]

that's the only reason i've stuck with majordomo.

15:20:47 [Morbus]

i haven't found anything better.

15:20:49 [AaronSw]

want to learn about the Semantic Web, rik?

15:21:16 [AaronSw]

I didn't send anyone no virus!!!!!

15:21:40 [AaronSw]

oh, names changed. phew

15:22:00 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

15:22:03 [rik]

?

15:22:03 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: <Morbus> my boss just gave me the go-ahead to write a "Morbus" sorta email back. I love having that license ;)

15:22:09 [rik]

oh

15:22:12 [rik]

kinda, yes.

15:26:41 [Morbus]

[[[

15:26:42 [Morbus]

[11:26] <spartacus> ok... im installing sendmail on my redhat62 firewall. I need it to relay messages between internet and another internal server. where do I begin from?

15:26:42 [Morbus]

[11:26] <Morbus> buckets. plenty of buckets.

15:26:42 [Morbus]

]]]

15:26:52 [rik]

hhahaa

15:26:57 [rik]

well, first, remove roothat.

15:27:00 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

15:28:18 [rik]

mind you, if he's putting sendmail on there, he may as well call it a shell serer.

15:28:28 [rik]

s,rer,rver,

15:28:38 [AaronSw]

anybody need a management job in Bristol?

15:28:46 [AaronSw]

"you will provide strategic and academic leadership and vision"

15:29:56 [rik]

which bristol?

15:30:03 [AaronSw]

there are two?

15:30:12 [rik]

there's one in england

15:30:27 [rik]

there's almost certainly one in america, because the 'murricans can't name cities.

15:30:34 [AaronSw]

heh

15:30:35 [AaronSw]

anything not in England must be qualified with a state

15:30:51 [AaronSw]

compare: Cambridge and Cambridge, MA

15:31:25 [rik]

not everyone qualifies though

15:31:36 [rik]

and by assumption, it's usually not england.

15:31:58 [AaronSw]

Well it is in this case.

15:32:57 [rik]

hm

15:33:05 [rik]

why do you want to know if anyone wants such a job?>

15:33:35 [AaronSw]

its for my friends

15:33:55 [rik]

hmm

15:34:06 [rik]

well, i go to university in bristol, and i'll be graduating next year...

15:35:11 [AaronSw]

ah, interesting. this is at ILRT, some sort of technology spinoff of UofB. it's where danbri (used to) work

15:35:18 [rik]

* rik nods

15:35:22 [rik]

ahh. it was danbri

15:35:24 [rik]

i was wondering

15:35:33 [rik]

yes, i've physically stroked that server.

15:35:38 [rik]

i used to work in the server room there.

15:35:47 [AaronSw]

which server?

15:35:49 [rik]

well, helpdesk, but i was root@bits.bris.ac.uk

15:35:55 [rik]

www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk

15:36:00 [AaronSw]

rooot!

15:36:20 [AaronSw]

no wonder their net connection goes down so often.

15:36:22 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw ducks

15:36:28 [rik]

ahem.

15:37:44 [sbp]

* sbp waves

15:38:16 [rik]

hey sbp.

15:38:38 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2002/2002-04-28-grammy.htm

15:39:12 [chumpy]

B: http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2002/2002-04-28-grammy.htm from AaronSw

15:40:05 [AaronSw]

B:|Grammy President Steps Down

15:40:22 [chumpy]

titled item B

15:40:29 [AaronSw]

B::Unfortunately, not for dissing Napster but for sexual harrasment.

15:40:31 [sbp]

lol @ <Morbus> my boss just gave me the go-ahead to write a "Morbus" sorta email back.

15:40:45 [AaronSw]

it's in the topic

15:40:45 [chumpy]

commented item B

15:40:51 [sbp]

ooh, it's even in the topic

15:41:05 [Morbus]

heh. anyone have the klez virus? just want to check my filters.

15:41:28 [AaronSw]

I think burtonator had it

15:41:35 [sbp]

wow, people are here

15:41:45 [AaronSw]

wow, sbp is here

15:41:54 [sbp]

wow!

15:42:52 [sbp]

* sbp goes through deleting his mail

15:43:09 [sbp]

junk... junk... junk... junk... ooh, it's from Aaron! junk... junk...

15:43:35 [AaronSw]

what'd aaron say? what'd aaron say?

15:44:12 [rik]

one would asusme you know.. :)

15:44:19 [sbp]

heh, heh

15:44:31 [AaronSw]

you think i have time to read every email i send?

15:45:04 [sbp]

oh, Fox axed Futurama?!

15:46:04 [sbp]

that can't be right, surely...

15:46:17 [AaronSw]

you kidding? that happened a long time ago

15:46:38 [sbp]

wow. I'm so out of touch sometimes

15:46:39 [AaronSw]

.google save futurama

15:46:39 [xena]

save futurama: http://www.gotfuturama.com

15:47:05 [AaronSw]

'In an heinous attempt to slaughter all boys of age 2 and below FOX Broadcasting Network missed their aim by a few inches and slashed the the TV show "Futurama" into bloody pieces.'

15:47:19 [Morbus]

para #1:

15:47:19 [Morbus]

[[[

15:47:20 [Morbus]

Alex, thanks for the note. However, it's readily

15:47:20 [Morbus]

apparent that you don't know a thing about viruses.

15:47:20 [Morbus]

First off, they have nothing to do with piracy.

15:47:20 [Morbus]

That attempted association just boggles my mind.

15:47:21 [Morbus]

]]]

15:47:31 [rik]

* rik recovers from laughter.

15:47:31 [Morbus]

and so on and so forth.

15:47:52 [rik]

my mom just walked into my room, and said "I've got a very important question for you"

15:48:02 [rik]

so I responded "French Fries"

15:48:05 [rik]

and she left again

15:48:10 [sbp]

that's funny: BBC news reported it as real

15:48:23 [rik]

* rik decides he's psychic.

15:48:46 [Morbus]

rik: bwahaha

15:49:12 [sbp]

heh, heh

15:49:26 [sbp]

she probably thought "ugh, the idiot's in one of those again..."

15:49:51 [rik]

no. actually, it was the correct answer to the question she was going to ask

15:49:56 [rik]

hence the laughter

15:51:21 [AaronSw]

heh, that's awesome

15:52:02 [AaronSw]

<morbus> (in schoolgirl voice) can i write him a morbus letter? please? please?

15:52:02 [AaronSw]

<boss> oh, alright

15:52:03 [AaronSw]

<morbus> woohoo!

15:53:04 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

15:53:56 [rik]

hehe

15:54:20 [sbp]

* sbp decides that he might write an IRC diff bot

15:54:56 [AaronSw]

um, what would it do?

15:55:04 [Morbus]

well, duh, it'd diff!

15:55:11 [sbp]

it would note the differences between channels

15:55:16 [rik]

oh

15:55:17 [rik]

heh

15:55:28 [rik]

i was going to say i decided CVS over IRC was a bad idea

15:55:43 [rik]

i was going to implement it in a services bot.. but it turned out to be impossible to do properly.

15:57:20 [rik]

how surreal. this mp3 header is corrupt.

15:57:20 [AaronSw]

wouldn't it be easier to note the similarities?

15:57:30 [AaronSw]

there are less of them...

15:57:45 [rik]

xmms's status bar is insisting it's finished, but i know the song, and it has a couple of minutes to go yet.

15:57:47 [sbp]

heh. no there aren't

15:59:09 [AaronSw]

.py hex(-557122643)

15:59:10 [xena]

'0xdecafbad'

16:00:54 [Morbus]

good site, so far.

16:02:51 [AaronSw]

.dns www.creativecommons.org

16:02:51 [xena]

www.creativecommons.org - gaierror: (-2, 'Name or service not known')

16:03:56 [AaronSw]

.dns creativecommons.org

16:03:57 [xena]

creativecommons.org - 152.2.210.81

16:06:22 [AaronSw]

@ http://monkeyfist.com/pix/BAZ/stopedd.jpg

16:06:50 [sbp]

heh, heh

16:07:02 [dogcow]

BAZ

16:07:06 [chumpy]

C: http://monkeyfist.com/pix/BAZ/stopedd.jpg from AaronSw

16:07:06 [tomch]

tomch (~lambda@modem-1421.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack

16:07:10 [sbp]

Tom!

16:07:10 [dogcow]

FOO BAR BAZ

16:07:14 [dogcow]

TOM!!!

16:07:14 [sbp]

even up the numbers a bit

16:07:22 [tomch]

Sean!

16:07:23 [dogcow]

Ooh, your userid is "lambda"

16:07:24 [sbp]

by, ironically, making them odd

16:07:28 [tomch]

hi

16:07:31 [AaronSw]

C:|Edd prepares to INCINERATE a Certain Person with his STOP ENERGY eye beams!

16:07:36 [dogcow]

* dogcow wonders if tomch is lisp folk

16:07:42 [AaronSw]

C::<bijan> Stoppe Edde before he Stoppes Ye Olde Youe.

16:07:48 [chumpy]

titled item C

16:07:52 [dogcow]

AaronSw: ROTFL

16:08:05 [chumpy]

commented item C

16:08:17 [AaronSw]

:-)

16:09:01 [Morbus]

You'll get a warning from your SSH client that says "ooga booga! the host key has changed! this is naauUUgghhty! what should I do?!"

16:09:07 [Morbus]

^ I love writing documentation

16:09:18 [rik]

hahahah

16:09:21 [rik]

want to write mine?

16:09:27 [Morbus]

heh, heh. sure :)

16:09:37 [rik]

* rik has discovered several bugs in DocBook, and he's not even halfway through his documentation :/

16:09:50 [rik]

cool

16:10:16 [Morbus]

ooh, i've never used docbook.

16:10:24 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.paulgraham.com/thist.html

16:10:31 [rik]

oh. it's quite nice. It's how the FreeBSD docs are produced.

16:10:48 [rik]

the reason i chose it is because it's a simple xslt-style transformation to any format

16:10:59 [chumpy]

D: http://www.paulgraham.com/thist.html from AaronSw

16:11:07 [rik]

and it has targets for html, html-split, ps, pdf already

16:11:11 [AaronSw]

D:|Olin Shivers' History of T

16:11:14 [rik]

and i need both web and hard copies.

16:11:18 [AaronSw]

Olin was in my dreams last night.

16:11:27 [chumpy]

titled item D

16:11:44 [AaronSw]

I'm sure nwalsh is open to patches.

16:11:53 [sbp]

"if you haven't been dreamed about by Aaron, you're nobody"

16:12:28 [rik]

if you could write about how to install junkbuster, djbdns, bind3, and postfix, using DcoBook, i'd be gratefile :)

16:12:55 [Morbus]

bind3 is out?

16:12:59 [Morbus]

man, i'm behind.

16:13:02 [rik]

uhh.

16:13:07 [Morbus]

i mean, i'm only using 9.

16:13:13 [Morbus]

i didn't know they were going backwards.

16:13:13 [dogcow]

lol Morbus

16:13:16 [rik]

i didn't mean bind

16:13:20 [rik]

i menat dhcpd3

16:13:28 [rik]

bind. me? tcha.

16:13:29 [Morbus]

ah :)

16:13:38 [dogcow]

Morbus: Dude, I have a leet prerelease copy of sendmail 4.3, want it?

16:13:49 [Morbus]

oOOH... wow!

16:13:57 [Morbus]

does it have simpler rules?

16:14:03 [Morbus]

i hate writing sendmail rulesets <G>

16:14:06 [Morbus]

;)

16:15:00 [AaronSw]

D::"I fashionably decried premature optimisation in college without really understanding it until I once committed an act of premature opt so horrific that I can now tell when it is going to rain by the twinges I get in the residual scar tissue. Now I understand premature optimisation."

16:15:32 [chumpy]

commented item D

16:20:25 [AaronSw]

heh, where's jillium

16:22:57 [AaronSw]

gotta ask her about 'the google soup nazi'

16:23:54 [sbp]

.seen jillium

16:24:00 [sbp]

not a good sign

16:29:51 [AaronSw]

An ASH Public Service Announcement: http://www.linuxjournal.com//article.php?sid=6043

17:03:16 [bitsko]

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17:21:38 [dogcow]

Morbus: He's anti-punctuation

17:21:42 [dogcow]

I think that's a religion now.

17:21:54 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw installs Arial Unicode MS

17:22:04 [AaronSw]

all 55,000 glyphs, baby!

17:22:39 [jillium]

* jillium rises from the dead.. ROWR!

17:22:53 [AaronSw]

jill!

17:23:04 [jillium]

AaronSw!

17:23:05 [rik]

jilllll!

17:23:08 [jillium]

rik!

17:23:12 [rik]

yes!

17:23:23 [rik]

* rik smoochies jill openly.

17:23:43 [jillium]

* jillium looks surprised.

17:24:01 [rik]

that was the idea.

17:24:01 [jillium]

"openly"? Is this something you do in private when I'm not looking? :-)

17:24:12 [rik]

uhm

17:24:17 [rik]

* rik whistles innocently.

17:24:27 [jillium]

Now I understand all those dreams...

17:24:40 [jillium]

It all makes sense now.

17:25:07 [rik]

heh

17:25:18 [rik]

neat. jill's been having erotic dreams involving me.

17:26:26 [AaronSw]

heh, i love this google ad: "Where do babies come from / Some days you want a little backup / Google Answers. Get it right."

17:27:51 [dogcow]

Isn't he the one that used to cook for the Grateful Dead?

17:28:00 [jillium]

respect the #!

17:28:09 [AaronSw]

[OLM]

17:28:24 [AaronSw]

woo, i can see everything on this page: http://home.att.net/~jameskass/SEEME.HTM

17:28:28 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw pumps fist

17:28:42 [Morbus]

heh, IE/Moz fail miserably on windows.

17:28:45 [dogcow]

respect the #

17:28:45 [dogcow]

haha

17:28:46 [Morbus]

must... get... back... to OS X!

17:28:49 [dogcow]

* dogcow has no respect for #

17:28:56 [dogcow]

MY IRC IS AN OPEN BOOK

17:29:01 [rik]

* rik blinks

17:29:08 [rik]

the # stops bots logging?

17:29:09 [rik]

?

17:29:11 [dogcow]

* dogcow writes a bot to paste privmsg's into the channel

17:29:12 [jillium]

Yes.

17:29:14 [Morbus]

ri: yup

17:29:15 [dogcow]

rik: Indeed

17:29:22 [Morbus]

all together, now!

17:29:24 [Morbus]

:)

17:29:26 [jillium]

whee!

17:29:41 [Morbus]

so, jillium, heard any good mp3s lately.

17:29:57 [jillium]

* jillium hides.

17:30:08 [rik]

aha

17:30:18 [jillium]

Morbus, this is the busy time in my group. In a couple of days I'll have time to actually do something.

17:30:28 [Morbus]

uh huh. sure.

17:30:34 [Morbus]

you take drugs for them, but not for me.

17:30:37 [Morbus]

i understand.

17:30:58 [dogcow]

jillium is busy working on the mp3 crawl that google runs

17:31:03 [dogcow]

that's what all those hard drives are for

17:31:05 [dogcow]

MP3S

17:31:07 [jillium]

It's MAYDAY!

17:31:17 [AaronSw]

why is there no special GOOGLE LOGO?!?!

17:31:33 [jillium]

Morbus: I'm having to get off the drugs.

17:32:19 [dogcow]

* dogcow laughs at winerlog

17:32:42 [Morbus]

dogcow: bwahahaha.

17:32:51 [dogcow]

I'd like 4 whole fried chickens

17:32:58 [jillium]

dry white toaste

17:33:01 [jillium]

er, toast.

17:33:09 [jillium]

jillium is now known as DanQuayle

17:33:11 [dogcow]

I'm getting chinese today

17:33:13 [dogcow]

i'm excited

17:33:14 [dogcow]

WOO

17:33:27 [DanQuayle]

DanQuayle is now known as jillium

17:33:32 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves to DanQualye

17:33:38 [AaronSw]

thanks for droaping in toady

17:34:11 [jillium]

AaronSw: Well, you're welcome to come by and say hello even if you don't want to eat. But the cafe has plenty of different things.

17:34:21 [jillium]

Oops.

17:34:27 [AaronSw]

respect the #!

17:34:38 [Morbus]

that needs to go on our charter.

17:34:38 [sbp]

* sbp waves

17:34:43 [rik]

I SHOT THE SHERRIF!

17:34:45 [Morbus]

* Morbus tides himself over

17:34:49 [Morbus]

BUT I DIDN"T KILL TEH DEPUTY@!

17:34:51 [jillium]

I think Dissing the Octothorpe would be a good name for an album.

17:34:56 [jillium]

sbp!!!!

17:34:59 [AaronSw]

ooh, that'd rock

17:35:01 [rik]

Morbus: you know why don't you? It's intimidation tactics.

17:35:06 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: Dissing the Octothorpe

17:35:12 [rik]

the deptuy is now on clapton's payroll.

17:35:19 [AaronSw]

.rot13 swhack loggers

17:35:20 [xena]

fjunpx ybttref

17:35:32 [Morbus]

why butt ref?

17:35:38 [Morbus]

i dunno. ass jokes are funny, i guess.

17:35:49 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: Whack Sogger's Debut Album: "Dissing the Octothorpe"

17:37:11 [sbp]

* sbp has started on eep3

17:37:25 [AaronSw]

not night of the living eep?

17:37:34 [tomch]

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17:38:49 [AaronSw]

here's an interesting question: https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=8143

17:39:16 [jillium]

* jillium goes to do some work.

17:39:22 [AaronSw]

$50 gooogle answers question is cheaper than a lawyer

17:39:48 [rik]

lies!

17:39:55 [rik]

* rik nibbles jill distractingly.

17:39:56 [AaronSw]

heh: https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=8164

17:40:28 [dogcow]

* dogcow dies laughing at winerlog

17:40:34 [dogcow]

er

17:40:35 [dogcow]

wait

17:40:39 [dogcow]

s/winerlog/scripting news/

17:40:43 [AaronSw]

winerlog has no unicode characters! not interesting

17:41:01 [dogcow]

"He still doesn't get it. His software doesn't work with MY SOFTWARE!"

17:41:05 [dogcow]

* dogcow laughs and laughs

17:41:12 [Morbus]

wha? where.

17:41:16 [dogcow]

Morbus: scripting.com

17:41:22 [Morbus]

ooOOh, yeah.

17:41:23 [Morbus]

bwahaha.

17:41:41 [dogcow]

He's basically saying that because someone hasn't made their software work with whatever crummy product userland is selling, they suck.

17:42:02 [dogcow]

Does that mean he likes his terrorism with salt?

17:42:11 [dogcow]

OOH

17:42:14 [dogcow]

lunchtime, BRB

17:51:40 [bitsko]

* bitsko yawns; wants to take nap

17:52:25 [GabeW]

GabeW (~gorion@adsl-216-101-18-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack

17:52:49 [AnnoyingBot]

AnnoyingBot (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack

17:52:50 [AnnoyingBot]

sbp` is on #sbp! That's 1 annoying person!

17:53:01 [AaronSw]

oops, wrong channel

17:53:04 [AnnoyingBot]

AnnoyingBot has left #swhack

17:53:44 [sbp]

heh, heh

17:54:53 [bitsko]

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18:00:02 [AaronSw]

interesting: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2000/scribe-bot/beepOnMyName.py

18:06:35 [Seth]

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18:13:27 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw hacks on a new bot in #wizard

18:13:57 [rik]

hehe

18:16:58 [AaronSw]

ok, somebody /msg TheWizard

18:20:58 [jillium]

pssst...thewizard should spell it "processing".

18:21:11 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw iinforms the wizard

18:23:15 [jillium]

This is more fun than ELIZA.

18:23:22 [AaronSw]

Heh.

18:23:25 [rik]

* rik tickles jill under the chin

18:23:37 [AaronSw]

where's sbp?

18:24:41 [AaronSw]

I can't wait until more people get involved and the wizard gets a personality.

18:25:11 [jillium]

if sbp is training thewizard, it should get quite an interesting personality.

18:25:18 [jillium]

But don't let Morbus NEAR Thewizard!

18:25:34 [rik]

is it a Markov chain bot?

18:26:24 [AaronSw]

not exactly...

18:28:59 [GabeW]

AaronSw: This is very kewl

18:29:03 [AaronSw]

thanks

18:29:12 [GabeW]

I'm corrupting it as we speak

18:29:15 [AaronSw]

hehe

18:29:25 [AaronSw]

it seems to get confused when two people are talking to it, tho

18:29:57 [GabeW]

using rdf?

18:30:23 [AaronSw]

it doesn't export in rdf yet

18:30:28 [AaronSw]

but uses similar concepts

18:31:09 [GabeW]

oh

18:31:17 [GabeW]

I thought it was trying to parse my english into rdf triples maybe

18:33:29 [AaronSw]

It'd be cool to make it parse lojban into RDF triples.

18:33:32 [AaronSw]

That'd be easier...

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18:34:32 [GabeW]

wow, it does inferencing

18:34:39 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw peeks at the logs

18:35:21 [AaronSw]

hey!

18:35:49 [GabeW]

oops

18:37:10 [jillium]

* jillium tells TheWizard her most personal goals, hopes, dreams, and fantasies.

18:37:30 [AaronSw]

TheWizard is pretty popular, it seems.

18:37:42 [jillium]

Nothing like a good listener. :-)

18:38:16 [GabeW]

ask TheWizard who jillzilla is

18:38:19 [rik]

jillium = listen( mySocket, 5 );

18:38:46 [GabeW]

cya - need to run]

18:38:48 [GabeW]

GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting")

18:39:20 [jillium]

What did thewizard say?

18:39:27 [AaronSw]

About what?

18:39:32 [jillium]

about who jillzilla is.

18:39:49 [AaronSw]

<TheWizard> GabeW said jillzilla is an FBI/CIA/NSA/DSA SpookBot. I think he was lying, though.

18:40:21 [jillium]

Hee.

18:40:29 [jillium]

* jillium looks mysterious.

18:40:40 [AaronSw]

Heh heh.

18:40:47 [rik]

heheh

18:41:19 [AaronSw]

I'm really surprised that such a simple bot worked so well.

18:41:39 [AaronSw]

I can't wait to get him to talk to sbp.

18:41:54 [rik]

heheh

18:44:54 [jillium]

Where did she come from?

18:45:09 [jillium]

* jillium wants to watch sbp and thewizard talk in real time.

18:46:43 [AaronSw]

Alright.

18:48:40 [AaronSw]

If it's OK with sbp...

18:49:08 [jillium]

* jillium feels voyeuristic.

18:50:47 [dogcow]

Sweet

18:51:09 [dogcow]

my company is buying health club memberships

18:51:16 [dogcow]

if you go 12 times or more a month it's free

18:51:19 [dogcow]

woot woot

18:51:38 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw watchs Maddy on the BBC

18:51:53 [AaronSw]

she's some sort of AIbot

18:51:59 [AaronSw]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/tw/2002/may01maddy.shtml

18:52:01 [dogcow]

AIBOT

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19:01:32 [sbp]

* sbp waves

19:01:38 [rik]

sbp!

19:02:50 [AaronSw]

sbp!

19:03:43 [AaronSw]

Would you like to meet the wizard?

19:04:14 [sbp]

sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection)

19:04:24 [AaronSw]

hm.

19:04:28 [dogcow]

Where's the wizard?

19:04:32 [dogcow]

I'd like to meet the wizard

19:04:33 [dogcow]

hehe

19:04:34 [sbp]

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19:04:43 [dogcow]

HELO WIZEARD WEHRE AER U ?%?t!@#%1

19:04:44 [AaronSw]

I think dogcow better stay away...

19:04:49 [AaronSw]

sbp, would you like to meet the wizard?

19:05:05 [dogcow]

* dogcow chuckles

19:05:06 [sbp]

wow, what the crap happened there?

19:05:12 [sbp]

<sbp> do I have to? :-)

19:05:15 [dogcow]

heh

19:05:15 [AaronSw]

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19:05:23 [sbp]

Mmmkay, what is it, and what does it do, in three words or less?

19:05:35 [AaronSw]

it's a chatbot

19:05:51 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw bows

19:06:49 [AaronSw]

jillium and GabeW were talking to him earlier. let me boot him up

19:07:37 [sbp]

heh. So it has a cross-personality of Jill and Gabe? that must be... um...

19:07:45 [AaronSw]

Heh.

19:09:42 [sbp]

quite thick at the moment, isn't it?

19:09:52 [AaronSw]

You think so?

19:10:01 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw peeks at the logs

19:10:03 [sbp]

yep. let me test it

19:10:08 [AaronSw]

looks like you're just trying to screw it up.

19:10:35 [sbp]

I'm trying to turn it the other way

19:10:47 [sbp]

but I haven't established what way it is, yet, so that's a bit difficult

19:10:56 [AaronSw]

which other way?

19:16:22 [AaronSw]

The first person to guess TheWizard's algorithm wins a prize.

19:17:01 [sbp]

seems rather human operated to me :-)

19:22:13 [AaronSw]

really?

19:22:24 [sbp]

heh, no, it's too thick

19:22:34 [sbp]

it seems like a straightforward Eliza bot to me

19:22:50 [sbp]

with a few rather good sassy AaronSw modifications

19:23:09 [AaronSw]

Hm.

19:24:13 [sbp]

well, Eliza is just ruidmentary NLP junk, isn't it?

19:24:34 [sbp]

the Alice AI bot is quite a bit on from that, but used the same kind of algorithm, AFAIK

19:24:35 [AaronSw]

depends what you mean by that.

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19:35:26 [AaronSw]

Ash! wanna talk to teh wizard?

19:42:44 [Ash]

sure

19:42:51 [Ash]

I"m talking to TEH WIZEARD!@#%

19:42:58 [AaronSw]

Heh, this should be good.

19:44:02 [Ash]

The wizard is incredibly lame.

19:44:44 [AaronSw]

Well, you haven't asked him anything.

19:53:06 [Morbus]

[[[

19:53:06 [Morbus]

[15:52] <sal> ours is 1100$ for almost 2000sqft

19:53:06 [Morbus]

[15:52] <patti> silicon valley

19:53:06 [Morbus]

[15:52] <sal> ahh

19:53:06 [Morbus]

[15:52] <johnpeace> yuk

19:53:06 [Morbus]

[15:53] <patti> that's so huge.

19:53:08 [Morbus]

[15:53] <Morbus> why thank you!

19:53:10 [Morbus]

[15:53] <Morbus> uh. oop. sorry.

19:53:12 [Morbus]

[15:53] <patti> hahahahh

19:53:14 [Morbus]

]]]

19:53:16 [Morbus]

whoo. i'm soooo funny.

20:08:32 [Morbus]

[[[

20:08:33 [Morbus]

01,9904[16:08] Morbus: 01uh. you said something like "morbus, definitely, and without hesitation or thought of previous or future events that may occur, I, without a doubt in any legislation or misunderstanding of the terms set before me, do indeed, want to make love to you. I will enjoy it. So shall you. We'll probably do it more than once, but i'll only undeniably commit to once"01,99

20:08:34 [Morbus]

]]]

20:08:59 [AaronSw]

it's, um, green

20:09:09 [Morbus]

is it? flipping paste.

20:09:19 [sbp]

red and black here

20:09:31 [AaronSw]

i've red and black on a green background

20:13:43 [AaronSw]

ok, time for a bike ride

20:13:51 [AaronSw]

make sure nobody steals anything while i'm gone

20:14:17 [AaronSw]

laters

20:14:23 [sbp]

:-)

20:14:23 [sbp]

c'ya

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20:22:04 [sbp]

DiffBot, diff #swhack #infoanarchy

20:22:04 [DiffBot]

Nicks common to #swhack and #infoanarchy: 9

20:22:04 [DiffBot]

Nicks in #swhack not in #infoanarchy: 13

20:22:04 [DiffBot]

Nicks in #infoanarchy not in #swhack: 31

20:22:07 [DiffBot]

Therefore...

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40.909090909090914% of the people in #swhack are in #infoanarchy

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20:22:18 [sbp]

aaaaaaaaaargh!

20:23:09 [Morbus]

* Morbus cackles.

20:23:40 [sbp]

that's somewhat horrid. and Gabe and wmf aren't even here

20:30:35 [Morbus]

.acronym cfp

20:30:39 [xena]

cfp: Call For Papers, Certified Financial Planner, Canadian Centre for Foreign Policy Development, Canadian Fleet Pacific, Car Finance Plan, Career Focus Program (US Air Force), Carrier Frequency Pulse, Center-Fire Pistol (firearms), Cold Front Passage, Commission de la Fonction Publique du Canada (Public Service Commission of Canada), Communications Focal Point, Community Fellows Program,

20:30:40 [xena]

Computer Fax Protocol, Computer Flight Plan, Computers, Freedom and Privacy, Concept Formulation Package/Plan/Process, Concept Formulation Paper, Conceptual Flight Profile, Contention-Free Periods (IEEE 802.11e), Contingency Force Pool

20:30:44 [syn|ack]

hi guys

20:30:52 [sbp]

Hi

20:31:43 [syn|ack]

since AaronSw metioned how much he hated XML - I've been trying to find out more about they 'why'. So I spent last night reading up on some RDF things. The examples use RDF with XML syntax though

20:31:55 [syn|ack]

so you aren't really getting away from XML, are you?

20:32:53 [sbp]

there are some good serializations of RDF that aren't in XML

20:32:55 [sbp]

.google Notation3

20:32:56 [xena]

Notation3: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Notation3.html

20:32:59 [sbp]

.google NTriples

20:33:00 [xena]

NTriples: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/ntriples/&e=921

20:33:03 [sbp]

.google NTriples

20:33:03 [xena]

NTriples: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/ntriples

20:33:13 [syn|ack]

ahh, i've seen you talk about ntripples

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20:34:49 [syn|ack]

that first ntripples one is a not found btw

20:35:15 [deltab]

remove the &e=921, that's due to google

20:35:45 [syn|ack]

ok

20:36:46 [syn|ack]

heh, don't view RDF with konqueror :)

20:38:32 [sbp]

deltab: can't you fix that bug?

20:40:45 [syn|ack]

the notation3 page says that RDF in XML syntax is an advantage

20:40:57 [sbp]

it lies

20:41:00 [syn|ack]

if its an advantage, why do you guys hate it?

20:41:12 [sbp]

that's just TimBL's opinion

20:41:28 [sbp]

although if he thought that XML RDF was perfect, I doubt that he would have made N3 :-)

20:41:58 [sbp]

you can't really scribble down triples in XML RDF. that's the quickest way to get RSI

20:42:16 [sbp]

not only that, but XML RDF is missing formulae, which means it's difficult to express rules

20:42:29 [sbp]

well, there are plenty of reasons to dislike XML RDF...

20:42:40 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack still hasn't clicked

20:42:52 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack is still trying though

20:42:54 [sbp]

what's better...

20:43:03 [sbp]

<rdf:Description rdf:about="#blargh">

20:43:23 [sbp]

<rdfs:seeAlso rdf:resource="http://blargh.org/"/>

20:43:27 [sbp]

</rdf:Description>

20:43:28 [sbp]

or

20:43:40 [sbp]

:blargh rdfs:seeAlso <http://blargh.org/> .

20:43:52 [sbp]

not much of a contest

20:44:01 [syn|ack]

depends who the recipient is

20:44:15 [sbp]

why?

20:44:24 [syn|ack]

one looks easier for machines to read

20:44:30 [sbp]

yeah. the Notation3

20:44:50 [syn|ack]

are there notatation3 parsers in pretty much most languages?

20:45:06 [sbp]

Perl, Java, Python, C, Prolog...

20:45:13 [syn|ack]

really?

20:45:16 [sbp]

yes

20:45:34 [sbp]

there are like 5 in Python now

20:45:36 [syn|ack]

is that the same for triples?

20:45:45 [sbp]

you mean NTriples? dunno

20:45:58 [sbp]

well, NTriples used to be a fixed subset of N3

20:46:11 [sbp]

and it's much easier to parse...

20:46:25 [sbp]

but whether there are any NTriples-only parsers in all of those languages, I'm not sure

20:46:29 [syn|ack]

reason i ask, is because the notation3 says it is experimental, where as the ntriples looks like it is more of a standard, no?

20:46:45 [sbp]

yes...

20:47:04 [sbp]

although NTriples is veering off the mark now, too

20:47:07 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla waves tiredly.

20:47:11 [syn|ack]

i understand that it is more concise then the XML version

20:47:16 [sbp]

the WG responsible for it recently changed it and borked it a bit

20:47:17 [syn|ack]

sbp: how so?

20:47:19 [sbp]

N3 is more concise

20:47:20 [syn|ack]

hiya jill

20:47:32 [sbp]

well, they added this XML literal and language stuff in

20:47:47 [sbp]

people have come up with copies of the old NTriples just to cope

20:47:56 [sbp]

.google Sandro TODL

20:47:57 [xena]

Sandro TODL: http://www.w3.org/2002/03/todl

20:48:13 [syn|ack]

ok, so in laments terms

20:48:26 [sbp]

oh, how I lament over NTriples and XML RDF!

20:48:32 [syn|ack]

can i use something like N3 for config files, and reprensenting complex objects?

20:49:04 [sbp]

N3 is just as expressive (in fact, more so) than both NTriples and XML RDF

20:49:11 [syn|ack]

ok

20:49:14 [syn|ack]

that said...

20:49:57 [syn|ack]

are there books, resources on how to do it? or is that resource you gave the recommended place to start?

20:50:15 [sbp]

Hmm... well, there's still a lack of places to learn about these things from

20:50:33 [Seth]

right now im working on Pents:

20:50:39 [syn|ack]

that is a problem, and will end up hindering...

20:50:39 [sbp]

and it does take a while to get into it, but if you want to learn about specific things, people are happy to point you to the right places

20:50:54 [sbp]

well, there's not really all that much to learn

20:51:04 [syn|ack]

I'd like to do a small experiement using it for a config file

20:51:10 [Seth]

subject predicate object [graph [seq]]

20:51:19 [syn|ack]

from there I can make up my own opinion of it versus the XML version

20:51:22 [sbp]

just read the RDFS spec., DAML walkthru, and N3 primer, and you're pretty much set

20:51:50 [sbp]

well, it's fairly easy to convert between the various serializations of RDF

20:52:01 [syn|ack]

should probably read those just after I wake up - you know, just to make sure I don't fall asleep again :)

20:52:10 [sbp]

heh, heh

20:53:07 [Seth]

Pents are like Ntriples but you add the 'formulas' on the end

20:53:34 [Seth]

and you can use jyst naked symbals instead of all <uri>

20:53:53 [syn|ack]

hmmmm SWAG

20:54:36 [Seth]

but 'formulas' are called 'graphs' instead of 'formulas'

20:54:45 [syn|ack]

Seth: currently it's all greek to me..and I'm not greek :\

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20:56:56 [syn|ack]

that SWAG thing says it was N3 -> RDF converter but the output is RDF using XML syntax

20:57:00 [sbp]

*ahem* c.42% *ahem*

20:57:08 [sbp]

ah, well, it can do both

20:57:16 [sbp]

i.e. N3 => XRDF and XRDF => N3

20:58:01 [deltab]

XRDF?

20:58:03 [sbp]

hang on a sec., I don't quite get what you just wrote...

20:58:10 [sbp]

XRDF == XML RDF

20:58:12 [Seth]

trouble is that there are things you can say in N3, you cant say in Ntriples

20:58:20 [deltab]

oh, RDF/XML

20:58:41 [Seth]

Pents is designed to bridge that gap with the simplest grammar possible

20:59:03 [syn|ack]

what i want is to use RDF for this config file..and just to clarify, i can use RDF with a N3 syntax?

20:59:51 [Seth]

i think the answer to that, syn|ack, is YES you can.

21:00:30 [sbp]

.google XRDF

21:00:30 [xena]

XRDF: http://wonkituck.wi-inf.uni-essen.de/xrdf.html

21:00:33 [sbp]

yep, you can

21:00:43 [Seth]

you, however, will be able to say some things in the config file that will not translate into XML\RDF

21:00:46 [syn|ack]

Seth: thanks. You'll have to forgive me that I'm not understanding this. I really think this is just adding to the complexity of describing things

21:01:05 [Seth]

this=?

21:01:37 [sbp]

Seth: like what things?

21:01:42 [syn|ack]

this = the way something like RDF can be expressed in so many different ways.

21:02:08 [Seth]

sean, like things involving formulas

21:02:11 [sbp]

Seth: it's just a simple config file, no?

21:02:13 [syn|ack]

also, i still don't see the benefits of these other notations aside from they appear more concise - I suspect that is because I haven't actually used them though

21:02:42 [sbp]

right. use XML/RDF for a year, prepare to rend your garments, and then discover N3 :-)

21:02:51 [Seth]

well yes for the config file you probably will not have to worry about the differences.

21:05:41 [Seth]

the advantage of using rdf languages for your config file will be that other apps can read, write, and process the knowledge in the config file ... not just the app that it is designed to configure

21:06:04 [sbp]

that Prolog XRDF thing is interesting. a bit like the old SURF/XNT proposal

21:06:17 [sbp]

and DanC's XSLT RDF parser output

21:06:19 [syn|ack]

Seth: that is true for no matter which syntax I choose to use?

21:07:00 [Seth]

ack, i would say yes .. because the rdf world is evolving into being able to read and write multiple dialects of rdf

21:07:21 [Seth]

you milage, may of course, vary

21:07:27 [syn|ack]

ok, much help fellas, thank you. I must run upstairs for a meeting

21:07:34 [sbp]

c'ya

21:07:39 [syn|ack]

sure, i'm sure I'll be asking more about this stuff...thanks again.

21:07:40 [sbp]

haev fun :-)

21:07:48 [sbp]

np

21:08:16 [Seth]

sean, what do you think of my Pents proposal above?

21:08:29 [sbp]

I still can't see the point of the seq

21:08:39 [Seth]

apart from that?

21:08:54 [sbp]

well, apart from that, it's NQuads, innit? :-)

21:09:24 [Seth]

but you cant mix Nquads with bare symbals, can you?

21:09:37 [Seth]

inow

21:09:59 [Seth]

SethBot ownedBy Seth UrGraph.

21:10:11 [Seth]

is not a letitimate Nquad, is it?

21:10:17 [sbp]

nope

21:10:27 [Seth]

youd have to go:

21:10:30 [sbp]

so what URIs are those tokens bound to?

21:11:21 [Seth]

don't need to be bound to a uri ... they are bound to an internal identity in whatever system processess them

21:11:52 [sbp]

* sbp needs some light comedy, and heads over to Ananova

21:12:14 [sbp]

heh, and it doesn't disappoint: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_579673.html?menu=news.quirkies

21:12:21 [Seth]

* Seth goes back to coding

21:15:10 [sbp]

heh, "oops": http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_579488.html?menu=news.quirkies

21:16:08 [sbp]

* sbp hacks on eep3 a bit

21:21:43 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw uploads photos

21:21:48 [sbp]

ooh, new photos!

21:22:21 [sbp]

BTW, I got DiffBot working :-)

21:22:58 [sbp]

cf. 20:21:38

21:26:51 [AaronSw]

heh!

21:26:51 [AaronSw]

<syn|ack> one looks easier for machines to read

21:26:51 [AaronSw]

<sbp> yeah. the Notation3

21:27:10 [sbp]

heh, heh. I must have been in the zone :-)

21:31:12 [syn|ack]

the reason i thought the xml looked easier was because to me (without understanding N3) thought the xml looked more regular.

21:31:45 [syn|ack]

i suspect that N3 is just as regular otherwise you wouldn't have said that :)

21:31:49 [AaronSw]

Yeah, all the RDF/XML examples should be replaced with N-Triples in my opinion.

21:32:15 [syn|ack]

now why Ntripples and not N3?

21:33:07 [sbp]

BTW, when Aaron says N-Triples, I think he means TODL/S-Triples/whatever. The recent changes have made things so confusing :-)

21:33:10 [syn|ack]

perhaps someone could submit the RDF/XML examples in a different format to zvon.org ?

21:33:19 [AaronSw]

Hm, good idea.

21:34:15 [syn|ack]

that would provide 16 nice comparisons between the different syntaxs

21:35:32 [syn|ack]

sbp: more confusing then they already are??

21:36:19 [sbp]

debatably :-)

21:37:15 [AaronSw]

irc is not a good forum for explaining stuff, as evidenced once again by the logs

21:37:24 [sbp]

indeed...

21:37:38 [sbp]

I was aware that we were whizzing on the logs, BTW... sorry :-)

21:38:00 [AaronSw]

I wasn't worried about that, I was worried about terribly confusing synack.

21:39:13 [AaronSw]

ah, here's a great article on REST: http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1113/byt20010816s0002/0820_udell.html

21:40:28 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack takes a look

21:41:59 [rik]

hehe

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21:42:13 [AaronSw]

whoa, BYTE is back!

21:42:24 [pawn]

* pawn waves

21:42:36 [rik]

"The Empire BYTEs Back"

21:43:00 [AaronSw]

Oh, it's digital

21:43:18 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw crosses fingers and hopes it's not PDF

21:43:27 [AaronSw]

ugh, it was Zipped PDF.

21:43:28 [sbp]

heh, heh

21:43:32 [sbp]

aw!

21:43:39 [AaronSw]

that's even worse.

21:44:58 [AaronSw]

@ https://www.sdmediagroup.com/byte/download.htm

21:45:18 [chumpy]

E: https://www.sdmediagroup.com/byte/download.htm from AaronSw

21:46:02 [AaronSw]

E:|Spring 2002 issue of BYTE Magazine in Zipped PDF

21:46:18 [chumpy]

titled item E

21:52:45 [AaronSw]

Hm, i was thinking about reagle earlier today, and how i should have met him when i was at mit

21:56:34 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.greenstar.org/butterflies/Hole-in-the-Wall.htm

21:57:05 [chumpy]

F: http://www.greenstar.org/butterflies/Hole-in-the-Wall.htm from AaronSw

21:57:16 [AaronSw]

F:|India's Hole-in-the-Wall Experiment

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21:57:32 [chumpy]

titled item F

21:57:44 [AaronSw]

F::The man puts computers in the middle of the wall, and "slum" kids very quickly figure out how to use them to paint and surf the Web.

21:58:00 [chumpy]

commented item F

21:58:24 [AaronSw]

F::With no formal instruction, of course. They just sit and play around with it.

21:58:41 [chumpy]

commented item F

21:59:05 [sbp]

wow, interesting

21:59:35 [AaronSw]

F::So then he got a professor to write down five questions for next year's exam. He gave the children the questions, which they didn't understand, and the Internet connection. In two hours they answered all five questions.

21:59:52 [chumpy]

commented item F

22:02:19 [AaronSw]

F::'I'm not even going to suggest that we use this [technique] for adults. The only reaction we got from adults was, "What on earth is this for? Why is there no one here to teach us something? How are we ever going to use this?"'

22:02:36 [chumpy]

commented item F

22:05:39 [AaronSw]

ok, i have to write a subversion article on this

22:06:12 [pawn]

maybe there is a future in home schooling with internet and irc access

22:07:20 [syn|ack]

pawn: I think that would be bad if that was the norm

22:07:34 [AaronSw]

why's that, syn|ack?

22:07:51 [syn|ack]

because human interaction is extremely valuable, especially at a young age

22:08:17 [AaronSw]

sure, i don't expect this to replace human interaction, just school

22:08:40 [syn|ack]

but at an early age, that is how we form social circles

22:09:28 [AaronSw]

Ugh: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/01/politics/01CND-PORN.html?tntemail1

22:09:38 [AaronSw]

You'd think they would have gotten the message...

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22:16:34 [walloper]

<lilo> Btw, an excellent Labor Day to you all....

22:21:20 [sbp]

May Day!

22:21:36 [sbp]

let's all dance around the Maypole

22:21:43 [jillzilla]

wheee!

22:22:18 [sbp]

* sbp corrects a small bug in eep3

22:22:34 [sbp]

it's funny how two misplaced brackets can cause so much of a problem...

22:22:40 [sbp]

* sbp waves to Jill

22:23:06 [jeremiah]

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22:23:09 [jeremiah]

hey

22:23:18 [sbp]

Hola

22:23:20 [jeremiah]

AaronSw: did you end up getting any mpegs of your discussion at MIT?

22:23:24 [sbp]

Hi

22:23:25 [jeremiah]

hey sbp

22:23:37 [sbp]

Bienvenue

22:23:37 [sbp]

Hey

22:23:37 [sbp]

Welcome

22:23:37 [sbp]

and Hello

22:23:49 [AaronSw]

hi jeremiah. unfortunately i forgot to record it, but i wrote down what i said at http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/talk

22:23:52 [sbp]

Pff, he didn't tape it! he forgot!

22:23:55 [jeremiah]

ok

22:24:22 [jeremiah]

I wish palm pilots supported real files

22:25:06 [AaronSw]

heh.

22:25:25 [AaronSw]

I figured that the text version might be more likely for people to read.

22:25:31 [AaronSw]

once more: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/talk

22:25:31 [AaronSw]

;-)

22:26:46 [jeremiah]

I wasn't implying that was OPML

22:26:56 [jeremiah]

err wait

22:26:59 [jeremiah]

I didn't even mention OPML

22:27:05 [jeremiah]

* jeremiah was looking for a palm pilot OPML reader

22:27:05 [AaronSw]

who said OPML?

22:27:13 [jeremiah]

though I had mentioned that

22:27:25 [AaronSw]

i thought you mean Real as in video

22:29:23 [jeremiah]

oh

22:29:25 [jeremiah]

haha

22:29:45 [jeremiah]

i meant real as .html .txt .opml .jpg

22:29:51 [jeremiah]

instead of .pdb

22:32:58 [AaronSw]

ah

22:38:07 [AaronSw]

F::Check out [their website|http://www.niitholeinthewall.com/]

22:38:29 [chumpy]

commented item F

22:40:24 [sbp]

Hmm... eep3 runs one particular test in three quarters of the time it took EepII

22:40:56 [sbp]

I guess that the formula dictionary style store is a good idea after all

22:42:01 [sbp]

although it sure needs an append method

22:47:53 [AaronSw]

append?

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22:49:30 [Ash]

fwoosh

22:49:30 [Ash]

fwoosh

22:49:41 [rik]

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22:50:17 [pawn]

i got to give a presentation on internet form usage

22:50:57 [pawn]

Aaron: can i copy your stylesheet //logicerror.com/mainstyle ?, it looks cool

22:51:03 [AaronSw]

sure

22:51:33 [AaronSw]

i shamelessly copied it from sbp, i think...

22:51:52 [pawn]

great, i'll give you and sbp credit

22:54:33 [sbp]

the CSSmeme spreads!

22:56:06 [pawn]

sbp: that is a cool form for a css

22:56:32 [AaronSw]

wow, 6171talk has got some googlejuice...

22:57:34 [sbp]

.google googlejuice

22:57:35 [xena]

googlejuice: http://www.antisigma.com/juice

22:58:29 [AaronSw]

that is, pagerank

23:01:24 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw sets up http://logicerror.com/semanticWeb-webdev

23:02:59 [sbp]

ooh, May Day update

23:03:17 [AaronSw]

ah, yep

23:03:23 [AaronSw]

http://aaronsw.com/school/2002/05/01/

23:04:38 [sbp]

all these damn free people

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23:05:00 [sbp]

giving lectures and reading books whilst the rest of us toil! toil!

23:05:13 [rik]

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23:05:58 [AaronSw]

Oh yeah, you do a ton of toiling there, sbp.

23:06:03 [sbp]

*ahem*

23:06:12 [sbp]

theoretically, I do :-)

23:06:23 [AaronSw]

I don't know how I would be able to keep up with your busy schedule of television shows.

23:06:32 [sbp]

and guitar playing!

23:10:01 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla ponders theoretical toil. :-)

23:10:50 [rik]

meep

23:10:56 [jillzilla]

hi, rik.

23:11:00 [rik]

hihi

23:11:17 [rik]

* rik waits to find out whether postfix fails on his friend's machine or not...

23:15:53 [AaronSw]

.wn cisely

23:22:06 [AaronSw]

.acronym wtg

23:22:07 [xena]

wtg: Way To Go, Wind Turbine Generator

23:23:10 [AaronSw]

[U+26AA] I wouldn't worry 'bout me. I wouldn't worry about mee. [U+26AA]

23:23:54 [sbp]

26AA? not listed in the big code chart

23:24:14 [AaronSw]

Oops, I meant 266A

23:24:24 [sbp]

aha!

23:24:27 [jillzilla]

could it be...interrobang?

23:24:28 [sbp]

heh, that's quite funny

23:24:32 [sbp]

Eigth note

23:24:36 [jillzilla]

HA!

23:24:42 [jillzilla]

Funny you say eighth note.

23:24:48 [AaronSw]

Why?

23:24:54 [jillzilla]

Because it's not the usual term in the UK.

23:24:56 [AaronSw]

Isn't that what they use on closed-captioning to denote singing?

23:25:00 [jillzilla]

Yes.

23:25:02 [AaronSw]

Ah.

23:25:11 [jillzilla]

Very clever!

23:25:15 [AaronSw]

What are they called in the UK?

23:25:31 [AaronSw]

I wonder what my client will do to the char: ?

23:25:32 [sbp]

We call them quavers!

23:25:37 [AaronSw]

ooh, cool name

23:25:40 [AaronSw]

heh, it made it into a ?

23:26:24 [sbp]

you need a "WTF?" glyph

23:26:34 [AaronSw]

Ooh: U+2672

23:26:45 [sbp]

heh, heh

23:26:56 [AaronSw]

Man, Arial Unicode MS rox0rs.

23:27:00 [sbp]

U+2672: keep the planet green

23:27:30 [AaronSw]

The trigrams are interesting too.

23:27:48 [sbp]

you are correct

23:29:12 [AaronSw]

The age of U+2652, U+265iiiiiive2!

23:30:13 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: It's Sing-Along-in-Unicode Day!

23:30:30 [AaronSw]

Oh, awesome! U+2620-2624 is great

23:30:43 [AaronSw]

I can't decide if Swhack is a 2622 or 2623.

23:30:50 [sbp]

Pff... stop working bavkwards!

23:30:59 [sbp]

2623

23:31:09 [sbp]

no radioactive material in 'ere, mate

23:31:15 [sbp]

* sbp sweeps some stuff under the rug

23:31:23 [AaronSw]

:-)

23:31:51 [AaronSw]

I remember visiting a nuclear power plant. They handed out flyers that explained "We're all readioactive to some extent. Some people are just more radioactive than others."

23:31:58 [sbp]

heh!

23:32:02 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw smiles at U+2603

23:32:29 [sbp]

ooh, you should caption your picture: here's me building a U+2603

23:32:29 [AaronSw]

OK, U+2607 does not look at all like lightining in Arial Unicode MS.

23:32:57 [AaronSw]

:-)

23:33:24 [AaronSw]

sbp, grab the 260E, it's for you.

23:33:41 [sbp]

* sbp cheX0rs out Aaron's misc photos

23:33:59 [AaronSw]

oh, forgot to put today's up

23:34:04 [sbp]

U+0006

23:34:17 [AaronSw]

it's just a.... space

23:34:50 [AaronSw]

U+263A

23:35:37 [sbp]

* sbp gets some chips

23:35:42 [sbp]

0006 is not a space!

23:36:03 [sbp]

U+2639

23:36:05 [AaronSw]

er, what is it? a ctrl character?

23:36:27 [AaronSw]

hm, ACKNOWLEDGE?

23:36:33 [sbp]

yep U+263A

23:36:58 [sbp]

Unicode on IRC would be so great

23:37:43 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw renames "Reiligion" to "The Juxtaposition of Church and State"

23:37:49 [AaronSw]

er "Religion"

23:38:22 [sbp]

aha

23:38:56 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw angers religionistas

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23:39:27 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla wonders if sbp picked up "aha" from her or the other way around. And then there is the independent-use possibility.

23:39:30 [jillzilla]

Morbus.

23:39:46 [AaronSw]

IRC independent invention!

23:39:46 [sbp]

independent, I'll bet

23:40:06 [sbp]

I got "dear me" from you, though

23:40:10 [Morbus]

i'm revising my decepticon article.

23:40:12 [Morbus]

for publication on my ORA weblog.

23:40:30 [sbp]

perhaps I should say "dear Jill" instead...

23:40:34 [sbp]

cool

23:40:41 [Morbus]

Jill.

23:40:58 [jillzilla]

"dear Sean"

23:44:11 [rik]

"Dear John"

23:44:35 [sbp]

Critic: You don't have to patronize me

23:44:37 [sbp]

Homer: O.K.

23:44:53 [sbp]

heh, that is a great episode. quite recent, too

23:46:55 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw goes to take care of something

23:48:08 [sbp]

take care

23:54:07 [sbp]

* sbp digs out Aaron's 80 chars

23:54:20 [sbp]

aha: "free world net crypto info love share peace protect gaia. u r the world: fix it."

23:54:35 [sbp]

Jill, Morbus, still there? got free time? bored?

23:55:08 [jillzilla]

here, not free.

23:55:15 [sbp]

O.K., np :-)

23:58:41 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gets spam from ArteDigital

23:59:06 [AaronSw]

I wonder where they got that name!

23:59:13 [sbp]

heh, heh