00:02:02 really? 00:02:18 Yes. Really. 00:03:19 well, it's just that I hadn't really wondered *why* before 00:03:29 Ah. Any ideas? 00:03:55 nope. you? 00:04:11 I think most of OPN is male. 00:04:34 Oooh, my head hurts. 00:04:49 Allergies making my immune system fire, making me feel as if I'm ill when I'm not. 00:05:03 ugh. hay-fever? 00:05:18 Yes, emphasis on the "fever" part. I think my body temperature is slightly elevated. 00:07:06 it's that time of the year again. Wimbledon wil be on soon! :-) 00:07:14 Heh. 00:07:24 * jillzilla gets an urge to watch television with sbp. 00:07:42 heh, heh 00:08:03 sitting down to watch the tennis with Jill: another day in the sbp saga 00:08:22 I think I would like the Simpsons more than I would like tennis. But I'm not sure. 00:08:35 AaronSw could be on hand to document the television-watching. 00:09:07 we need a TVBot in here to log our activties 00:09:11 or ActivityBot 00:09:17 ActivityBot! 00:09:30 [ jillzilla is currently writing Chinese characters. ] 00:10:13 How often is the Simpsons on there? 00:10:37 it depends, but roughly three times per day 00:10:46 writing, or painting 00:10:47 ? 00:10:54 Usually writing. 00:10:58 With a pen. 00:11:05 Occasionally painting with a brush. Not often, though. 00:11:17 Hmm... but art, though, I presume? 00:11:23 calligraphy. 00:11:29 right 00:11:31 So yes, I reluctantly admit that it is art. :-) 00:12:05 how long have you been doing it for? 00:12:18 I've had six classes. 00:12:23 So seven weeks. 00:12:33 Oh, except I missed once while I was far away, so five classes. 00:13:06 must be nice to be so active :-) 00:13:13 It is. 00:14:11 chuckle: "We also want to show that anti-capitalist action is not just about bricks being thrown through shop windows. The authorities and the police have come down hard on anti-globalisation protest, but are they really going to arrest people for giving away Womble toys?" - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_577957.html?menu=news.quirkies 00:17:39 Morbus (morbus@s117.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:18:03 * AaronSw waves 00:18:09 Morbus! 00:18:10 Aaron! 00:18:14 MORBUS! 00:18:19 Jill! 00:18:28 Morbus! #swhack is girly today! 00:18:41 * jillzilla finishes braiding sbp's hair and starts to brush Morbus'. 00:19:06 * Morbus flutters his eyebrows. 00:19:24 Oops, sorry about the snag. 00:19:45 heh 00:19:49 * Morbus ' eyes water. 00:19:52 * jillzilla brushes more carefully. 00:19:53 people would pay to watch this 00:20:03 well... I'd pay. but I'm quite odd 00:20:15 i'm actually having an issue with Apache. 00:20:21 that i can't solve. heh. 00:20:28 you?! 00:20:30 It's because your hair is snagged. 00:20:46 * jillzilla brushes harder for apache's sake. 00:21:14 heh. 00:21:19 well, i'm fiddling with stuff that very few people fiddle with :) 00:21:24 so it's hard to find someone who has acutally done this crap 00:21:36 * jillzilla fiddles while apache burns. 00:22:12 * AaronSw chuckles 00:22:16 What are you doing? 00:22:32 * jillzilla goes to rest for a while. 00:23:06 * sbp wonders what the Google employee lounge is like 00:23:22 AaronSw: i'm using Apache's piped log feature to measure how many seconds it takes for a cgi script to run. the intent is to have a little script that emails me if a script takes longer than five seconds to complete 00:23:24 real time :) 00:23:27 I hear it has lava lamps. 00:24:08 don't forget to take photos, Aaron :-) 00:24:15 you kidding? 00:24:34 why not just build that into the cgi script? fork, sleep 5 secs, check the child, send email or return 00:24:34 well, this says lobby, but... http://www.google.com/jobs/images/lobby.jpg 00:24:41 who me? no. i'm not. 00:24:43 actually you'd have to break up the sleep 00:24:52 no, sbp kidding 00:24:59 because then i'm not demonstrating the use of piped logs ;) 00:25:07 hmph 00:25:27 and movies! I want Google movies 00:25:45 Heh, i'm not so good about remembering movies (cough) 00:25:56 We could do an "Inside Google" webumenatry 00:25:56 yes... Hmm... 00:26:00 heh, heh 00:26:13 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:26:25 "TARGET: Jillzilla." 00:26:32 .google webumentary 00:26:33 webumentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/smoke/webumentary 00:26:48 "Here in her native habitat, the Jillzilla is busy stomping all over the Web..." 00:28:53 * sbp imagines Aaron walking into rooms marked "Private! Go Away!" 00:29:03 That's me! 00:29:14 with some sort of webumentary presenter impunity 00:29:25 "Here we enter the secret room labeled 'Private! Go Away!' As I found out on Google, that's secret code for 'Please come in!'" 00:29:57 argh. 00:29:57 why is this so difficult. 00:31:00 DW's getting letters from Co$, heh. 00:31:32 Ooh: Objectivi$m 00:37:14 hm, it'd be interesting if you could have flexible group chat. the circle had an interface for this 00:37:23 all the people you were talking to had checkboxes next to them 00:37:34 so that you could temporarily uncheck one and say something like: 00:37:39 Zooko'$ got dirt on jill! 00:37:45 and then check it again and keep talking 00:38:03 Zooko and his shovel... 00:44:06 there once was a man named Fred / who lived in a colloquial shed / he spat on his shoes / and fried up some food / before buying a brand new bed 00:44:40 what? that's absurd 00:44:45 how can a shed be colloquial? 00:45:03 it's poetry. anything can happen 00:45:07 heh 00:45:22 it's not actually a shed, it's just a small house or something 00:45:28 No, really, I like putting words in people's mouths. 00:45:42 deltab: ah, could be... 00:45:46 alright, he said the first one, not the second 00:46:02 well, no one can really know now 00:46:08 of the type 00:46:18 oops, wrong key 00:46:35 er... you have a key that types "of the type"? funky 00:46:39 deltab: have you messed with apache piped logging and perl? 00:46:56 yeah, I use the phrase so much I have a key programmed to enter it 00:47:17 Morbus: I didn't touch it, I swear 00:47:24 * AaronSw chuckles 00:47:25 heh, that's quite surreal. I'd like to know how you decided that 00:47:40 loggy, of the type? 00:47:41 I'm logging. I found 3 answers for 'of the type' 00:47:42 heh, heh 00:47:42 0) 2002-04-30 00:47:52 loggy, of the type? 00:47:43 1) 2002-04-30 00:46:47 er... you have a key that types "of the type"? funky 00:47:44 2) 2002-04-30 00:46:21 of the type 00:47:55 he must use it in #python or something 00:48:06 haha 00:48:32 x is y which is x 00:59:23 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:02:15 cokebottle? you have a cokebottle key and character? 01:02:49 Don't most people? 01:02:59 .jargon cokebottle 01:03:00 cokebottle defined as: 01:03:01 n. Any very unusual character, particularly one you can't type because it isn't on your keyboard. MIT people used to complain about the `control-meta-cokebottle' commands at SAIL, and SAIL people complained right back about the `escape-escape-cokebottle' commands at MIT. After the demise of the {space-cadet keyboard}, `cokebottle' faded away as serious usage, but was often invoked humorously to 01:03:02 describe an (unspecified) weird or non-intuitive keystroke command. It may be due for a second inning, however. The OSF/Motif window manager, `mwm(1)', has a reserved keystroke for switching to the default set of keybindings and behavior. This keystroke is (believe it or not) `control-meta-bang' (see {bang}). Since the exclamation point looks a lot like an upside down Coke bottle, Motif hackers 01:03:03 .. a very large amount of text. 01:03:16 aha. I thank you most profusely 01:03:32 but no, by definition most people *don't* have it :-) 01:04:28 * jillzilla watches a coworker clean up after his dog's indiscretion. 01:04:56 heh. "what a vindaloo! I'm going to be making indiscretions all night long" 01:05:35 * jillzilla sneezes and sneezes and considers bringing an air filter to work. 01:05:43 a Hepa filter? 01:05:47 Yes. 01:05:51 the... Svenson? 01:05:52 I have two. How pathetic. 01:05:56 Svenson? 01:06:00 I don't think that's the brand. 01:06:08 Do you have a HEPA filter? 01:06:10 .google Hepa Svenson 01:06:11 Hepa Svenson: http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/derby/3267/78.html 01:06:22 I could do with one 01:06:25 heh. 01:07:36 * jillzilla recklessly renames variables. 01:07:45 jillzilla: how do I literally search for the pipe char on google? 01:07:46 allergies? 01:07:51 can I? 01:07:58 I don't believe so 01:07:59 Morbus: You have a nice dream about searching for pipes. And then you wake up. 01:08:12 How was that literal? 01:08:18 dammit. 01:08:35 Just like you can't search for @@ 01:08:35 AaronSw: It may not be literal, but it's the best yer gonna do. 01:09:18 Niles: Oh, you have a hepa... [notices and gasps] You have a Svenson! 01:09:24 or $, for that matter 01:09:48 "so please turn on your magic beam" 01:10:03 "Mister sandman....bring me a dream...." 01:10:09 :-) 01:10:31 "ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba!" 01:10:36 I love that song 01:10:42 It's very very cute! 01:11:00 * jillzilla spins so her skirt flares out. 01:11:08 heh, heh 01:11:16 (keeping with the theme...) 01:11:21 (indeed!) 01:11:40 "...and lots of wavy hair like Liberace!" 01:11:48 that's the best bit, indeed 01:11:53 oh, yes. 01:12:02 * sbp needs to sing that with someone one day 01:12:21 Oh, thanks for the fantasy. 01:12:39 darn, I should have sung it with Aaron when he was around! he had a tape recorder 01:12:45 Yes! 01:12:46 Indeed! 01:12:53 I need to copy those sounds on line. 01:12:56 Yes! 01:13:02 I got one of sbp saying "Gotta run" and tav saying "hmz" 01:13:08 What kind of recorder, AaronSw? 01:13:10 I also got sbp playing the guitar. 01:13:19 It was a dictaphone. I'm missing the right cord for it tho :( 01:13:28 what format does it keep data in? 01:13:29 it has something that's smaller than the usual headphone jack 01:13:32 do you use a... oh, never mind 01:13:38 it keeps it on mini casette tapes 01:13:42 aha. 01:13:49 which are also smaller than usual 01:13:56 whittle down a normal headphone jack 01:13:56 it's something of a theme... 01:13:57 How do they sound? Argh, nonstandard media. 01:14:33 They sound OK. It has too speeds and I sound best when recorded at high speed and then playes slower 01:14:34 * jillzilla hands AaronSw an arc welder for whittling. 01:14:54 I think that sort of takes it a bit beyond "whittling" 01:14:58 No way! 01:15:04 Way! 01:15:12 * jillzilla fires up the arc welder. 01:15:18 zzszzZZAAAPP! 01:15:23 * jillzilla loved arc welding. 01:15:26 heh, heh 01:15:34 now we're going camp, are we? zzzap! 01:16:03 I feel so left out. All I have is a tesla coil...oh, and a soldering iron 01:16:11 "and they charged the people, a dollar and a half just to see them..." 01:16:22 "pave paradise..." 01:16:25 s/,// 01:16:46 neat song, in an odd tuning 01:17:00 "don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got til it's gone?" 01:17:08 What's the tuning? 01:17:13 ("shoo bop bop bop bop") 01:17:19 I actually don't know, off hand. Hang on 01:17:56 * jillzilla doesn't actually play guitar. 01:18:10 E B E G# B E 01:18:12 so, open E 01:18:25 * jillzilla blinks. Isn't that a *very* odd tuning? 01:19:45 probably, but I alternate-tune a lot 01:19:51 it's not far from normal Spanish 01:20:09 just two strings up by two semi-tones, and one up by one 01:20:32 Aha. What is normal Spanish? 01:20:33 * AaronSw puts on Spanish Lady (spanish, music... y'know) 01:20:40 EADGBe 01:20:56 * jillzilla puts on Bollywood mixes. 01:21:00 I like modal tunings, though 01:21:11 Hmm, I think that's the tuning I'm most familiar with. Which isn't saying much. 01:21:33 well, it's standard Spanish tuning 01:23:35 Some of my coworkers play guitar, and I've been convinced to sing with them a few times. 01:23:55 It's been odd. I hadn't done anything musical in years; I'd been hiding from it. 01:24:06 And now with that provocation it's coming out to bite me again. 01:24:26 * jillzilla almost wishes it would go away and leave her alone, but it always comes back. 01:25:36 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:25:49 give in to the provocation! 01:27:11 oh, what is the absolute value function in python called... 01:27:22 abs, perhaps? 01:27:29 looking it up. 01:27:48 yes, it's abs(x) 01:27:57 woo, thanks. 01:44:06 dotgnu-sage, webservice 01:44:06

no one is smart enough to define `webservice', not even me. 01:46:48 I know that. But if I have, for example, "/foo/bar\u2026/baz", how does that get encoded? The obvious is "%20%26", except it won't work when decoded. 01:46:54 calling i18n people 01:47:35 >>> urllib.quote(u"/foo/bar\u2026/baz".encode('utf-8')) 01:47:35 '/foo/bar%E2%80%A6/baz' 01:47:35 >>> 01:48:35 Hmm... 2026;HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS 01:48:51 odd 01:49:35 .acronym geas 01:49:36 geas: 01:50:23 * sbp butters xena with a flexible scone knife and pastry implement 01:53:13 sbp, cut that out 01:53:31 Make me 01:53:40 I am not impressed. 01:54:08 well, you should be. it was quite poetic, the way I deftly all but manhandled the caddish bot 02:00:06 Hmm... only 18 people today? but it's a weekday! 02:10:01 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack 02:13:06 ilmatyynyalukseni on täynnä ankeriaita 02:13:25 the damn thing. it really needs cleaning out 02:13:52 Hm, the hairstylist put this weird sticky thing in my hair, it makes it all clot together. 02:13:56 i better go wash it out. laters. 02:24:00 my windows hang up again, i'll have to reboot this thing 02:24:10 Pawn has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:28:02 Pawn (kmnguyen@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu) has joined #swhack 02:28:13 wb 02:28:24 this linux config is lots of work but fun 02:38:22 Morbus (morbus@s117.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 02:39:00 MORBUS. 02:39:21 burp 02:39:31 take that back! 02:39:55 hey jillzilla. 02:40:07 i spent four hours on #7 tonight, and only wrote about seven paragraphs. heh. 02:40:14 stupid research 02:41:05 it had better be brimming with factoids and Larry King 02:41:35 eh. its... its there. 02:41:40 limp and lifeless, but there. 02:42:11 Morbus, leave your personal life out of this. 02:42:42 JILLZILLA 02:42:44 hey, how'd you know I jus... uh. 02:42:47 nevermind. 02:42:58 Morbus: Google monitors every website you hit 02:43:34 pff, who needs websites, when I got leecharoo :) 02:44:29 Ash?! where'd you spring from? 02:44:40 * jillzilla points to the overturned rock. 02:45:11 heh, heh 02:46:53 I'm off to hack. Gotta make the crawl go. 02:47:02 jillzilla! 02:47:06 don't forget my mp3! 02:47:11 AAAAAAAAAUGH! 02:47:13 I had forgotten. 02:47:15 quite so, ma'am 02:47:28 and may be male-oriented here again? 02:47:33 s/may/may we/ 02:49:36 jillzilla has changed the topic to: Forget My Little Pony! Only He-Men allowed! 02:50:17 * jillzilla slinks off to hack. 02:50:28 c'ya 02:51:07 wow:- 02:51:10 .google libidinousity 02:51:10 libidinousity: http://www.ibn-sina.net/znakovi/2-3/dividing_lines_of_freedom.html 02:51:31 (single result) 02:52:07 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:54:03 wow! 02:54:06 .google scientology 02:54:07 scientology: http://www.xenu.net 02:54:11 incredible 02:54:21 Ooh 02:54:35 we have L. Ron Hubbard to thank 02:57:55 ? 02:58:23 well without his guidance, scientology would never have made such a fuss about it and then fewer people would have linked to xenu.net 02:59:16 good point 02:59:19 just like the RIAA donating tons of advertising to Napster 03:01:49 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 03:02:09 heh, DW stole my scientology thing 03:04:11 ooh, it's "Not Found" time again 03:04:14 .time BST 03:04:14 Apr. 30, 2002 4:04 am GMT+1 03:04:19 heh 03:05:08 Pawn has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:06:07 the Web is quite strnage sometimes 03:06:20 on the one hand, it has really cool obscure information 03:06:28 .google "In olden times years ago" 03:06:29 "In olden times years ago": http://web.tiscali.it/Briss/musicland/ledzeppelin/covers.htm 03:06:38 and OTOH, it doesn't 03:06:55 heh, did I ever tell you that DanC's room number in california was 404? 03:07:01 .google "the Anti-Bell ringers were..." 03:07:01 no results found. 03:07:05 yep, you did :-) 03:07:36 ah, ok 03:08:53 except it was 4004 03:08:55 Hmm... how was "Gallis Pole" a cover? 03:09:13 quite a few hits for 'In 1839, a "frolicsome group," as Read describes them' 03:09:32 c. 8 03:09:51 Hmm... is it correct to use c. for apprx.? 03:10:20 I think it means "around the period of...", in which case, it's incorrect usage 03:10:37 well, it's short for circa which is italian for close... 03:10:48 .wn circa 03:10:59 "In approximately; about: born circa 1900." 03:11:07 ah, I'll use it as a synonym for approximate then 03:11:19 actually, I thought that circa was Latin 03:11:24 shows what I know 03:11:31 oh, maybe it is latin 03:11:36 cerca is the spanish version 03:11:46 aha, it is Latin... 03:11:57 "Latin circ(a with line on top), from circum, around" 03:12:23 phew... my usage has been correct :-) 03:12:39 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:12:58 don't know why i picked italian... 03:14:23 [[[ 03:14:24 The true origin of the most-used Interjektion of the world is appropriate in the 30's 19. Century in new England, when it was in mode to use intentionally wrong abbreviations jokeful. A group of jokers in Boston, which called itself anti-Bell Ringing Society, has the utterance actually as abbreviation for all correct and/or. oll korrect selected. 03:14:29 ]]] - http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:hq53oMZl6LAC:www.freenet.de/Schnitte/Okay.htm+-Read+"Anti+Bell+Ringing+Society"&hl=en 03:14:48 heh: 30's 19 03:15:13 heh: "it could be an Amerikanisierung" 03:15:42 so this must be the 2's 20 03:16:17 or the 00's 20, rather, since it seems to refer to a decade 03:20:21 automatic translations are so great 03:21:20 Automatik Übersetzungen bist so groß 03:21:34 :-) 03:22:17 automatism translations are as big as what? 03:26:00 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:27:45 .translate eng-ger I must dry my sweaty hands 03:27:49 ICH muß abtrocknen mein schweißig Hände 03:28:03 .translate ger-eng Ich muß abtrocknen mein schweißig Hände 03:28:08 self necessity dry my sweatily hands 03:29:31 I think there's a bit of Python-bot influence leaking through there with "self" 03:30:44 ok, time to solve the mccusker maze 03:31:01 .google "mccusker maze" 03:31:02 no results found. 03:31:19 http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/fg/maze.21apr02.gif 03:36:04 solved it 03:36:21 (using the left hand on wall method, just for a laugh) 03:37:36 left hand on wall method? 03:37:52 yeah. just go around it keeping your left hand on the wall 03:38:14 obviously, you have to visualize it here... 03:38:18 yeah 03:38:30 i'm trying the start-at-the-end method, but i just got stuck... 03:39:09 I took a kind of slanted Z approach with the LHOWM, if that helps 03:39:23 slanted about 45 degrees anti-clockwise 03:39:45 45 degrees widdershins! 03:39:46 hm, i think my printer shrunk the maze. i should try this with drawing software 03:40:53 SeanP (sbp@m809-mp1-cvx5a.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 03:42:16 sbp has kicked SeanP from #swhack 03:43:38 just practicin' 03:51:21 heh, from #openprojects it seems that quite a few people are aware of the spambot problem 03:51:26 they've had a few reports 03:51:34 the problem is, the IP address keeps changing 03:53:41