IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-30

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00:02:02 [sbp]

really?

00:02:18 [jillzilla]

Yes. Really.

00:03:19 [sbp]

well, it's just that I hadn't really wondered *why* before

00:03:29 [jillzilla]

Ah. Any ideas?

00:03:55 [sbp]

nope. you?

00:04:11 [jillzilla]

I think most of OPN is male.

00:04:34 [jillzilla]

Oooh, my head hurts.

00:04:49 [jillzilla]

Allergies making my immune system fire, making me feel as if I'm ill when I'm not.

00:05:03 [sbp]

ugh. hay-fever?

00:05:18 [jillzilla]

Yes, emphasis on the "fever" part. I think my body temperature is slightly elevated.

00:07:06 [sbp]

it's that time of the year again. Wimbledon wil be on soon! :-)

00:07:14 [jillzilla]

Heh.

00:07:24 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla gets an urge to watch television with sbp.

00:07:42 [sbp]

heh, heh

00:08:03 [sbp]

sitting down to watch the tennis with Jill: another day in the sbp saga

00:08:22 [jillzilla]

I think I would like the Simpsons more than I would like tennis. But I'm not sure.

00:08:35 [jillzilla]

AaronSw could be on hand to document the television-watching.

00:09:07 [sbp]

we need a TVBot in here to log our activties

00:09:11 [sbp]

or ActivityBot

00:09:17 [jillzilla]

ActivityBot!

00:09:30 [jillzilla]

[ jillzilla is currently writing Chinese characters. ]

00:10:13 [jillzilla]

How often is the Simpsons on there?

00:10:37 [sbp]

it depends, but roughly three times per day

00:10:46 [sbp]

writing, or painting

00:10:47 [sbp]

?

00:10:54 [jillzilla]

Usually writing.

00:10:58 [jillzilla]

With a pen.

00:11:05 [jillzilla]

Occasionally painting with a brush. Not often, though.

00:11:17 [sbp]

Hmm... but art, though, I presume?

00:11:23 [jillzilla]

calligraphy.

00:11:29 [sbp]

right

00:11:31 [jillzilla]

So yes, I reluctantly admit that it is art. :-)

00:12:05 [sbp]

how long have you been doing it for?

00:12:18 [jillzilla]

I've had six classes.

00:12:23 [jillzilla]

So seven weeks.

00:12:33 [jillzilla]

Oh, except I missed once while I was far away, so five classes.

00:13:06 [sbp]

must be nice to be so active :-)

00:13:13 [jillzilla]

It is.

00:14:11 [sbp]

chuckle: "We also want to show that anti-capitalist action is not just about bricks being thrown through shop windows. The authorities and the police have come down hard on anti-globalisation protest, but are they really going to arrest people for giving away Womble toys?" - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_577957.html?menu=news.quirkies

00:17:39 [Morbus]

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00:18:03 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves

00:18:09 [sbp]

Morbus!

00:18:10 [sbp]

Aaron!

00:18:14 [jillzilla]

MORBUS!

00:18:19 [sbp]

Jill!

00:18:28 [jillzilla]

Morbus! #swhack is girly today!

00:18:41 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla finishes braiding sbp's hair and starts to brush Morbus'.

00:19:06 [Morbus]

* Morbus flutters his eyebrows.

00:19:24 [jillzilla]

Oops, sorry about the snag.

00:19:45 [sbp]

heh

00:19:49 [Morbus]

* Morbus ' eyes water.

00:19:52 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla brushes more carefully.

00:19:53 [sbp]

people would pay to watch this

00:20:03 [sbp]

well... I'd pay. but I'm quite odd

00:20:15 [Morbus]

i'm actually having an issue with Apache.

00:20:21 [Morbus]

that i can't solve. heh.

00:20:28 [sbp]

you?!

00:20:30 [AaronSw]

It's because your hair is snagged.

00:20:46 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla brushes harder for apache's sake.

00:21:14 [Morbus]

heh.

00:21:19 [Morbus]

well, i'm fiddling with stuff that very few people fiddle with :)

00:21:24 [Morbus]

so it's hard to find someone who has acutally done this crap

00:21:36 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla fiddles while apache burns.

00:22:12 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw chuckles

00:22:16 [AaronSw]

What are you doing?

00:22:32 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla goes to rest for a while.

00:23:06 [sbp]

* sbp wonders what the Google employee lounge is like

00:23:22 [Morbus]

AaronSw: i'm using Apache's piped log feature to measure how many seconds it takes for a cgi script to run. the intent is to have a little script that emails me if a script takes longer than five seconds to complete

00:23:24 [Morbus]

real time :)

00:23:27 [AaronSw]

I hear it has lava lamps.

00:24:08 [sbp]

don't forget to take photos, Aaron :-)

00:24:15 [AaronSw]

you kidding?

00:24:34 [AaronSw]

why not just build that into the cgi script? fork, sleep 5 secs, check the child, send email or return

00:24:34 [sbp]

well, this says lobby, but... http://www.google.com/jobs/images/lobby.jpg

00:24:41 [Morbus]

who me? no. i'm not.

00:24:43 [AaronSw]

actually you'd have to break up the sleep

00:24:52 [AaronSw]

no, sbp kidding

00:24:59 [Morbus]

because then i'm not demonstrating the use of piped logs ;)

00:25:07 [AaronSw]

hmph

00:25:27 [sbp]

and movies! I want Google movies

00:25:45 [AaronSw]

Heh, i'm not so good about remembering movies (cough)

00:25:56 [AaronSw]

We could do an "Inside Google" webumenatry

00:25:56 [sbp]

yes... Hmm...

00:26:00 [sbp]

heh, heh

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00:26:25 [AaronSw]

"TARGET: Jillzilla."

00:26:32 [sbp]

.google webumentary

00:26:33 [xena]

webumentary: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/smoke/webumentary

00:26:48 [AaronSw]

"Here in her native habitat, the Jillzilla is busy stomping all over the Web..."

00:28:53 [sbp]

* sbp imagines Aaron walking into rooms marked "Private! Go Away!"

00:29:03 [AaronSw]

That's me!

00:29:14 [sbp]

with some sort of webumentary presenter impunity

00:29:25 [AaronSw]

"Here we enter the secret room labeled 'Private! Go Away!' As I found out on Google, that's secret code for 'Please come in!'"

00:29:57 [Morbus]

argh.

00:29:57 [Morbus]

why is this so difficult.

00:31:00 [AaronSw]

DW's getting letters from Co$, heh.

00:31:32 [AaronSw]

Ooh: Objectivi$m

00:37:14 [AaronSw]

hm, it'd be interesting if you could have flexible group chat. the circle had an interface for this

00:37:23 [AaronSw]

all the people you were talking to had checkboxes next to them

00:37:34 [AaronSw]

so that you could temporarily uncheck one and say something like:

00:37:39 [AaronSw]

Zooko'$ got dirt on jill!

00:37:45 [AaronSw]

and then check it again and keep talking

00:38:03 [sbp]

Zooko and his shovel...

00:44:06 [AaronSw]

<sbp> there once was a man named Fred / who lived in a colloquial shed / he spat on his shoes / and fried up some food / before buying a brand new bed

00:44:40 [sbp]

what? that's absurd

00:44:45 [sbp]

how can a shed be colloquial?

00:45:03 [AaronSw]

<sbp> it's poetry. anything can happen

00:45:07 [sbp]

heh

00:45:22 [deltab]

it's not actually a shed, it's just a small house or something

00:45:28 [sbp]

<AaronSw> No, really, I like putting words in people's mouths.

00:45:42 [sbp]

deltab: ah, could be...

00:45:46 [AaronSw]

alright, he said the first one, not the second

00:46:02 [sbp]

well, no one can really know now

00:46:08 [deltab]

of the type

00:46:18 [deltab]

oops, wrong key

00:46:35 [sbp]

er... you have a key that types "of the type"? funky

00:46:39 [Morbus]

deltab: have you messed with apache piped logging and perl?

00:46:56 [deltab]

yeah, I use the phrase so much I have a key programmed to enter it

00:47:17 [deltab]

Morbus: I didn't touch it, I swear

00:47:24 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw chuckles

00:47:25 [sbp]

heh, that's quite surreal. I'd like to know how you decided that

00:47:40 [AaronSw]

loggy, of the type?

00:47:41 [loggy]

I'm logging. I found 3 answers for 'of the type'

00:47:42 [Morbus]

heh, heh

00:47:42 [loggy]

0) 2002-04-30 00:47:52 <AaronSw> loggy, of the type?

00:47:43 [loggy]

1) 2002-04-30 00:46:47 <sbp> er... you have a key that types "of the type"? funky

00:47:44 [loggy]

2) 2002-04-30 00:46:21 <deltab> of the type

00:47:55 [AaronSw]

he must use it in #python or something

00:48:06 [deltab]

haha

00:48:32 [AaronSw]

x is <alt-meta-cokebottle> y which is <alt-meta-cokebottle> x

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01:02:15 [sbp]

cokebottle? you have a cokebottle key and character?

01:02:49 [AaronSw]

Don't most people?

01:02:59 [AaronSw]

.jargon cokebottle

01:03:00 [xena]

cokebottle defined as:

01:03:01 [xena]

n. Any very unusual character, particularly one you can't type because it isn't on your keyboard. MIT people used to complain about the `control-meta-cokebottle' commands at SAIL, and SAIL people complained right back about the `escape-escape-cokebottle' commands at MIT. After the demise of the {space-cadet keyboard}, `cokebottle' faded away as serious usage, but was often invoked humorously to

01:03:02 [xena]

describe an (unspecified) weird or non-intuitive keystroke command. It may be due for a second inning, however. The OSF/Motif window manager, `mwm(1)', has a reserved keystroke for switching to the default set of keybindings and behavior. This keystroke is (believe it or not) `control-meta-bang' (see {bang}). Since the exclamation point looks a lot like an upside down Coke bottle, Motif hackers

01:03:03 [xena]

.. a very large amount of text.

01:03:16 [sbp]

aha. I thank you most profusely

01:03:32 [sbp]

but no, by definition most people *don't* have it :-)

01:04:28 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla watches a coworker clean up after his dog's indiscretion.

01:04:56 [sbp]

heh. "what a vindaloo! I'm going to be making indiscretions all night long"

01:05:35 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla sneezes and sneezes and considers bringing an air filter to work.

01:05:43 [sbp]

a Hepa filter?

01:05:47 [jillzilla]

Yes.

01:05:51 [sbp]

the... Svenson?

01:05:52 [jillzilla]

I have two. How pathetic.

01:05:56 [jillzilla]

Svenson?

01:06:00 [jillzilla]

I don't think that's the brand.

01:06:08 [jillzilla]

Do you have a HEPA filter?

01:06:10 [sbp]

.google Hepa Svenson

01:06:11 [xena]

Hepa Svenson: http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/derby/3267/78.html

01:06:22 [sbp]

I could do with one

01:06:25 [jillzilla]

heh.

01:07:36 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla recklessly renames variables.

01:07:45 [Morbus]

jillzilla: how do I literally search for the pipe char on google?

01:07:46 [jillzilla]

allergies?

01:07:51 [Morbus]

can I?

01:07:58 [AaronSw]

I don't believe so

01:07:59 [jillzilla]

Morbus: You have a nice dream about searching for pipes. And then you wake up.

01:08:12 [AaronSw]

How was that literal?

01:08:18 [Morbus]

dammit.

01:08:35 [AaronSw]

Just like you can't search for @@

01:08:35 [jillzilla]

AaronSw: It may not be literal, but it's the best yer gonna do.

01:09:18 [sbp]

Niles: Oh, you have a hepa... [notices and gasps] You have a Svenson!

01:09:24 [sbp]

or $, for that matter

01:09:48 [sbp]

"so please turn on your magic beam"

01:10:03 [jillzilla]

"Mister sandman....bring me a dream...."

01:10:09 [sbp]

:-)

01:10:31 [jillzilla]

"ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba!"

01:10:36 [sbp]

I love that song

01:10:42 [jillzilla]

It's very very cute!

01:11:00 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla spins so her skirt flares out.

01:11:08 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:11:16 [sbp]

(keeping with the theme...)

01:11:21 [jillzilla]

(indeed!)

01:11:40 [jillzilla]

"...and lots of wavy hair like Liberace!"

01:11:48 [sbp]

that's the best bit, indeed

01:11:53 [jillzilla]

oh, yes.

01:12:02 [sbp]

* sbp needs to sing that with someone one day

01:12:21 [jillzilla]

Oh, thanks for the fantasy.

01:12:39 [sbp]

darn, I should have sung it with Aaron when he was around! he had a tape recorder

01:12:45 [jillzilla]

Yes!

01:12:46 [AaronSw]

Indeed!

01:12:53 [AaronSw]

I need to copy those sounds on line.

01:12:56 [jillzilla]

Yes!

01:13:02 [AaronSw]

I got one of sbp saying "Gotta run" and tav saying "hmz"

01:13:08 [jillzilla]

What kind of recorder, AaronSw?

01:13:10 [AaronSw]

I also got sbp playing the guitar.

01:13:19 [AaronSw]

It was a dictaphone. I'm missing the right cord for it tho :(

01:13:28 [jillzilla]

what format does it keep data in?

01:13:29 [AaronSw]

it has something that's smaller than the usual headphone jack

01:13:32 [sbp]

do you use a... oh, never mind

01:13:38 [AaronSw]

it keeps it on mini casette tapes

01:13:42 [jillzilla]

aha.

01:13:49 [AaronSw]

which are also smaller than usual

01:13:56 [sbp]

whittle down a normal headphone jack

01:13:56 [AaronSw]

it's something of a theme...

01:13:57 [jillzilla]

How do they sound? Argh, nonstandard media.

01:14:33 [AaronSw]

They sound OK. It has too speeds and I sound best when recorded at high speed and then playes slower

01:14:34 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla hands AaronSw an arc welder for whittling.

01:14:54 [AaronSw]

I think that sort of takes it a bit beyond "whittling"

01:14:58 [jillzilla]

No way!

01:15:04 [sbp]

Way!

01:15:12 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla fires up the arc welder.

01:15:18 [jillzilla]

zzszzZZAAAPP!

01:15:23 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla loved arc welding.

01:15:26 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:15:34 [sbp]

now we're going camp, are we? zzzap!

01:16:03 [AaronSw]

I feel so left out. All I have is a tesla coil...oh, and a soldering iron

01:16:11 [sbp]

"and they charged the people, a dollar and a half just to see them..."

01:16:22 [jillzilla]

"pave paradise..."

01:16:25 [sbp]

s/,//

01:16:46 [sbp]

neat song, in an odd tuning

01:17:00 [jillzilla]

"don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got til it's gone?"

01:17:08 [jillzilla]

What's the tuning?

01:17:13 [sbp]

("shoo bop bop bop bop")

01:17:19 [sbp]

I actually don't know, off hand. Hang on

01:17:56 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla doesn't actually play guitar.

01:18:10 [sbp]

E B E G# B E

01:18:12 [sbp]

so, open E

01:18:25 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla blinks. Isn't that a *very* odd tuning?

01:19:45 [sbp]

probably, but I alternate-tune a lot

01:19:51 [sbp]

it's not far from normal Spanish

01:20:09 [sbp]

just two strings up by two semi-tones, and one up by one

01:20:32 [jillzilla]

Aha. What is normal Spanish?

01:20:33 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw puts on Spanish Lady (spanish, music... y'know)

01:20:40 [sbp]

EADGBe

01:20:56 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla puts on Bollywood mixes.

01:21:00 [sbp]

I like modal tunings, though

01:21:11 [jillzilla]

Hmm, I think that's the tuning I'm most familiar with. Which isn't saying much.

01:21:33 [sbp]

well, it's standard Spanish tuning

01:23:35 [jillzilla]

Some of my coworkers play guitar, and I've been convinced to sing with them a few times.

01:23:55 [jillzilla]

It's been odd. I hadn't done anything musical in years; I'd been hiding from it.

01:24:06 [jillzilla]

And now with that provocation it's coming out to bite me again.

01:24:26 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla almost wishes it would go away and leave her alone, but it always comes back.

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01:25:49 [sbp]

give in to the provocation!

01:27:11 [jillzilla]

oh, what is the absolute value function in python called...

01:27:22 [sbp]

abs, perhaps?

01:27:29 [jillzilla]

looking it up.

01:27:48 [sbp]

yes, it's abs(x)

01:27:57 [jillzilla]

woo, thanks.

01:44:06 [sbp]

<S11001001> dotgnu-sage, webservice

01:44:06 [sbp]

<dotgnu-sage> no one is smart enough to define `webservice', not even me.

01:46:48 [AaronSw]

<kherr> I know that. But if I have, for example, "/foo/bar\u2026/baz", how does that get encoded? The obvious is "%20%26", except it won't work when decoded.

01:46:54 [AaronSw]

calling i18n people

01:47:35 [sbp]

>>> urllib.quote(u"/foo/bar\u2026/baz".encode('utf-8'))

01:47:35 [sbp]

'/foo/bar%E2%80%A6/baz'

01:47:35 [sbp]

>>>

01:48:35 [sbp]

Hmm... 2026;HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS

01:48:51 [AaronSw]

odd

01:49:35 [AaronSw]

.acronym geas

01:49:36 [xena]

geas:

01:50:23 [sbp]

* sbp butters xena with a flexible scone knife and pastry implement

01:53:13 [AaronSw]

sbp, cut that out

01:53:31 [sbp]

Make me

01:53:40 [AaronSw]

I am not impressed.

01:54:08 [sbp]

well, you should be. it was quite poetic, the way I deftly all but manhandled the caddish bot

02:00:06 [sbp]

Hmm... only 18 people today? but it's a weekday!

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02:13:06 [sbp]

ilmatyynyalukseni on täynnä ankeriaita

02:13:25 [sbp]

the damn thing. it really needs cleaning out

02:13:52 [AaronSw]

Hm, the hairstylist put this weird sticky thing in my hair, it makes it all clot together.

02:13:56 [AaronSw]

i better go wash it out. laters.

02:24:00 [Pawn]

my windows hang up again, i'll have to reboot this thing

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02:28:13 [sbp]

wb

02:28:24 [Pawn]

this linux config is lots of work but fun

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02:39:00 [jillzilla]

MORBUS.

02:39:21 [Morbus]

burp

02:39:31 [sbp]

take that back!

02:39:55 [Morbus]

hey jillzilla.

02:40:07 [Morbus]

i spent four hours on #7 tonight, and only wrote about seven paragraphs. heh.

02:40:14 [Morbus]

stupid research

02:41:05 [sbp]

it had better be brimming with factoids and Larry King

02:41:35 [Morbus]

eh. its... its there.

02:41:40 [Morbus]

limp and lifeless, but there.

02:42:11 [jillzilla]

Morbus, leave your personal life out of this.

02:42:42 [Ash]

JILLZILLA

02:42:44 [Morbus]

hey, how'd you know I jus... uh.

02:42:47 [Morbus]

nevermind.

02:42:58 [Ash]

Morbus: Google monitors every website you hit

02:43:34 [Morbus]

pff, who needs websites, when I got leecharoo :)

02:44:29 [sbp]

Ash?! where'd you spring from?

02:44:40 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla points to the overturned rock.

02:45:11 [sbp]

heh, heh

02:46:53 [jillzilla]

I'm off to hack. Gotta make the crawl go.

02:47:02 [Morbus]

jillzilla!

02:47:06 [Morbus]

don't forget my mp3!

02:47:11 [jillzilla]

AAAAAAAAAUGH!

02:47:13 [jillzilla]

I had forgotten.

02:47:15 [sbp]

quite so, ma'am

02:47:28 [sbp]

and may be male-oriented here again?

02:47:33 [sbp]

s/may/may we/

02:49:36 [jillzilla]

jillzilla has changed the topic to: Forget My Little Pony! Only He-Men allowed!

02:50:17 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla slinks off to hack.

02:50:28 [sbp]

c'ya

02:51:07 [sbp]

wow:-

02:51:10 [sbp]

.google libidinousity

02:51:10 [xena]

libidinousity: http://www.ibn-sina.net/znakovi/2-3/dividing_lines_of_freedom.html

02:51:31 [sbp]

(single result)

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02:54:03 [AaronSw]

wow!

02:54:06 [AaronSw]

.google scientology

02:54:07 [xena]

scientology: http://www.xenu.net

02:54:11 [AaronSw]

incredible

02:54:21 [sbp]

Ooh

02:54:35 [AaronSw]

we have L. Ron Hubbard to thank

02:57:55 [sbp]

?

02:58:23 [AaronSw]

well without his guidance, scientology would never have made such a fuss about it and then fewer people would have linked to xenu.net

02:59:16 [sbp]

good point

02:59:19 [AaronSw]

just like the RIAA donating tons of advertising to Napster

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03:02:09 [AaronSw]

heh, DW stole my scientology thing

03:04:11 [sbp]

ooh, it's "Not Found" time again

03:04:14 [sbp]

.time BST

03:04:14 [xena]

Apr. 30, 2002 4:04 am GMT+1

03:04:19 [AaronSw]

heh

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03:06:07 [sbp]

the Web is quite strnage sometimes

03:06:20 [sbp]

on the one hand, it has really cool obscure information

03:06:28 [sbp]

.google "In olden times years ago"

03:06:29 [xena]

"In olden times years ago": http://web.tiscali.it/Briss/musicland/ledzeppelin/covers.htm

03:06:38 [sbp]

and OTOH, it doesn't

03:06:55 [AaronSw]

heh, did I ever tell you that DanC's room number in california was 404?

03:07:01 [sbp]

.google "the Anti-Bell ringers were..."

03:07:01 [xena]

no results found.

03:07:05 [sbp]

yep, you did :-)

03:07:36 [AaronSw]

ah, ok

03:08:53 [sbp]

except it was 4004

03:08:55 [sbp]

Hmm... how was "Gallis Pole" a cover?

03:09:13 [AaronSw]

quite a few hits for 'In 1839, a "frolicsome group," as Read describes them'

03:09:32 [sbp]

c. 8

03:09:51 [sbp]

Hmm... is it correct to use c. for apprx.?

03:10:20 [sbp]

I think it means "around the period of...", in which case, it's incorrect usage

03:10:37 [AaronSw]

well, it's short for circa which is italian for close...

03:10:48 [AaronSw]

.wn circa

03:10:59 [AaronSw]

"In approximately; about: born circa 1900."

03:11:07 [sbp]

ah, I'll use it as a synonym for approximate then

03:11:19 [sbp]

actually, I thought that circa was Latin

03:11:24 [sbp]

shows what I know

03:11:31 [AaronSw]

oh, maybe it is latin

03:11:36 [AaronSw]

cerca is the spanish version

03:11:46 [sbp]

aha, it is Latin...

03:11:57 [AaronSw]

"Latin circ(a with line on top), from circum, around"

03:12:23 [sbp]

phew... my usage has been correct :-)

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03:12:58 [AaronSw]

don't know why i picked italian...

03:14:23 [sbp]

[[[

03:14:24 [sbp]

The true origin of the most-used Interjektion of the world is appropriate in the 30's 19. Century in new England, when it was in mode to use intentionally wrong abbreviations jokeful. A group of jokers in Boston, which called itself anti-Bell Ringing Society, has the utterance actually as abbreviation for all correct and/or. oll korrect selected.

03:14:29 [sbp]

]]] - http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:hq53oMZl6LAC:www.freenet.de/Schnitte/Okay.htm+-Read+"Anti+Bell+Ringing+Society"&hl=en

03:14:48 [AaronSw]

heh: 30's 19

03:15:13 [sbp]

heh: "it could be an Amerikanisierung"

03:15:42 [sbp]

so this must be the 2's 20

03:16:17 [sbp]

or the 00's 20, rather, since it seems to refer to a decade

03:20:21 [sbp]

automatic translations are so great

03:21:20 [AaronSw]

Automatik Übersetzungen bist so groß

03:21:34 [sbp]

:-)

03:22:17 [sbp]

automatism translations are as big as what?

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03:27:45 [sbp]

.translate eng-ger I must dry my sweaty hands

03:27:49 [xena]

ICH muß abtrocknen mein schweißig Hände

03:28:03 [sbp]

.translate ger-eng Ich muß abtrocknen mein schweißig Hände

03:28:08 [xena]

self necessity dry my sweatily hands

03:29:31 [sbp]

I think there's a bit of Python-bot influence leaking through there with "self"

03:30:44 [AaronSw]

ok, time to solve the mccusker maze

03:31:01 [sbp]

.google "mccusker maze"

03:31:02 [xena]

no results found.

03:31:19 [AaronSw]

http://www.treedragon.com/ged/map/fg/maze.21apr02.gif

03:36:04 [sbp]

solved it

03:36:21 [sbp]

(using the left hand on wall method, just for a laugh)

03:37:36 [AaronSw]

left hand on wall method?

03:37:52 [sbp]

yeah. just go around it keeping your left hand on the wall

03:38:14 [sbp]

obviously, you have to visualize it here...

03:38:18 [AaronSw]

yeah

03:38:30 [AaronSw]

i'm trying the start-at-the-end method, but i just got stuck...

03:39:09 [sbp]

I took a kind of slanted Z approach with the LHOWM, if that helps

03:39:23 [sbp]

slanted about 45 degrees anti-clockwise

03:39:45 [sbp]

45 degrees widdershins!

03:39:46 [AaronSw]

hm, i think my printer shrunk the maze. i should try this with drawing software

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03:42:16 [sbp]

sbp has kicked SeanP from #swhack

03:43:38 [sbp]

just practicin'

03:51:21 [sbp]

heh, from #openprojects it seems that quite a few people are aware of the spambot problem

03:51:26 [sbp]

they've had a few reports

03:51:34 [sbp]

the problem is, the IP address keeps changing

03:53:41 [sbp]

they seem to be working on it...

03:56:06 [AaronSw]

finished maze

03:56:24 [sbp]

cool

03:56:26 [AaronSw]

clearly i don't have sbo's maze skillz

03:56:42 [sbp]

or, should I say, "amazeing"... ugh

04:04:12 [sbp]

ooh, French spam with the words "Le Pen" in it

04:04:45 [sbp]

strangely enough, I'm not registered as a voter in France

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04:12:34 [AaronSw]

For the record: I hate XML. It's useless.

04:13:15 [sbp]

heh, wrote an XHTML document too many, eh?

04:13:26 [AaronSw]

heh

04:13:39 [AaronSw]

no, i've felt this way for a while, just thought i'd write it down

04:15:05 [AaronSw]

I shudder to think how much has been wasted on XML.

04:15:10 [sbp]

Mmmkay

04:15:43 [AaronSw]

Can you think of one decent use of XML?

04:16:04 [AaronSw]

We need to find the XML ringleader for the Web Crimes Tribunal.

04:17:20 [sbp]

SOAP's quite good though, isn't it?

04:17:29 [sbp]

XML's created a good community. that's one good thing... isn't it? hasn't it? Pff

04:17:35 [AaronSw]

SOAP: heh, you're joking, right?

04:17:44 [sbp]

joking: heh, of course

04:17:52 [AaronSw]

community too, right?

04:18:04 [sbp]

well, only half-joking there

04:18:05 [AaronSw]

SOAP people are #1 on the Web Crimes Tribunal list

04:18:10 [sbp]

heh!

04:18:16 [AaronSw]

Would you trust your children to XML-Dev? I think not

04:18:29 [sbp]

well, I meant the slightly wider XML community...

04:18:33 [sbp]

XML-Dev is just nuts

04:20:27 [sbp]

it's funny, as much as people hate HTML, I wonder if it would have worked any other way?

04:20:32 [syn|ack]

i must be seriously uneducated (highly likely) can you tell me why XML is useless?

04:21:03 [AaronSw]

Why is it useful? Document apps should be done in something that's easier for humans to write (structured text). Data in RDF or similar.

04:21:27 [sbp]

you ought to create a structured text format

04:21:32 [syn|ack]

Paul Prescod would serioulsy disagree with that, so i'm quite confused

04:21:36 [sbp]

actually, I did, today. even started to write a parser for it

04:21:41 [syn|ack]

AaronSw: you are on rest-discuss, no?

04:21:46 [AaronSw]

yep

04:21:57 [syn|ack]

you would have seen pauls statement about RDF vs. plain XML

04:22:01 [AaronSw]

StructuredTextNG is alright, sbp...

04:22:22 [sbp]

syn: reference?

04:22:27 [syn|ack]

i personally don't have an opinion either way yet this is why I ask

04:22:30 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack is trying to learn

04:22:38 [syn|ack]

sbp: i can't give you one right now, I'm at work sorry

04:23:10 [AaronSw]

do you mean: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rest-discuss/message/1118

04:23:22 [sbp]

StructuredTextNG: interesting

04:23:24 [syn|ack]

i thought XML was useful so that people could use a common vocabulary

04:23:33 [AaronSw]

XML doesn't specify vocabularies.

04:23:51 [syn|ack]

ok - that's one strike against my last Uni lecturer then....

04:23:59 [AaronSw]

Heh.

04:24:17 [sbp]

heh, heh

04:24:26 [syn|ack]

i set of terminology about the data?

04:24:32 [syn|ack]

a way of describing certain data?

04:24:38 [syn|ack]

common terms?

04:24:45 [syn|ack]

common, regular structure?

04:24:50 [AaronSw]

the last is good

04:24:50 [sbp]

the latter

04:25:05 [sbp]

.google "XML in 10 points"

04:25:06 [xena]

"XML in 10 points": http://www.w3.org/XML/1999/XML-in-10-points

04:25:29 [syn|ack]

what would be some viable alternatives...

04:25:41 [AaronSw]

well, what are you trying to structure?

04:25:53 [AaronSw]

s-expressions are a good choice for trees

04:25:59 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack thinks

04:26:00 [AaronSw]

rdf is useful for data

04:26:15 [syn|ack]

yes, i can see RDF of use for something i am doing

04:26:19 [AaronSw]

heh: "**XML isn't always the best solution, but it is always worth considering.**"

04:26:36 [AaronSw]

"I want to mow my lawn." "Have you considered XML?"

04:26:43 [syn|ack]

what about complex objects?

04:26:43 [sbp]

as a meta-language, it's never the best solution

04:26:49 [syn|ack]

hehe

04:26:51 [sbp]

LawnMowerML

04:26:56 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw laughs

04:27:00 [AaronSw]

RDF describes complex objects pretty well.

04:27:06 [syn|ack]

it does?

04:27:11 [sbp]

it does

04:27:12 [syn|ack]

i thought it just made assertions

04:27:19 [AaronSw]

sure, about objects

04:27:20 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack is __way__ off base

04:27:31 [AaronSw]

assertions/descriptions/statements

04:27:38 [sbp]

all your base are belong to non-XML/RDF stuff

04:28:00 [syn|ack]

so i could describe an instance of a specific object with RDF and you are saying it would be a good fit?

04:28:07 [AaronSw]

Yep.

04:28:11 [syn|ack]

sbp: hahaaha - nice one

04:28:17 [syn|ack]

AaronSw: what would that benefit me though?

04:28:27 [AaronSw]

well, over what?

04:28:45 [syn|ack]

isn't there already XML ways to describe object instances?

04:28:57 [AaronSw]

sure, but they have many flaws, as i described in 6171talk/talk

04:29:13 [AaronSw]

http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/talk

04:29:32 [syn|ack]

ahhh, the boston one

04:29:37 [AaronSw]

yep

04:29:42 [syn|ack]

much of that was over my little brain

04:29:48 [syn|ack]

but i got some value from it

04:30:16 [sbp]

print it out and use it as a sophisticated calendar!

04:30:20 [AaronSw]

Heh

04:30:57 [syn|ack]

just to clarify RDF needs it's own parser?

04:31:19 [sbp]

serializations of it do

04:31:37 [AaronSw]

It's pretty simple to parse in N-Triples format

04:31:50 [sbp]

yeah. I wrote an 11 line Python function for it or something

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04:32:29 [sbp]

OTOH, parsing XML/RDF? heh

04:32:39 [syn|ack]

i must look into it more - thanks for opening my eyes

04:32:45 [sbp]

until the M&S clarifications, it was probably literally impossible :-)

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04:33:08 [AaronSw]

down with XML, especially RDF/XML

04:33:47 [syn|ack]

It's good I look over these things now before I get too involved in my project :)

04:34:12 [syn|ack]

I'm sure danbri would be in favour of your RDF recommendation though :P

04:34:28 [AaronSw]

:-)

04:34:37 [AaronSw]

Man, I wish we got Te-te-techTV

04:34:49 [sbp]

TechTV?

04:35:01 [sbp]

.google "Te-te-techTV"

04:35:01 [xena]

no results found.

04:35:23 [AaronSw]

yeah, TechTV.

04:35:29 [AaronSw]

i was making a max headroom joke

04:36:55 [syn|ack]

hmmm..can't connect to yahoogroups.com to verify the link

04:42:14 [sbp]

zope.org is powered by Python?! since when did that happen?

04:42:21 [AaronSw]

heh, heh

04:42:48 [AaronSw]

wait, are you serious?

04:42:57 [sbp]

heh, nope

04:43:34 [AaronSw]

hm, a two-telecon day tomorrow

04:43:36 [sbp]

it'd be hillarious if they put a "powered by Perl/Apache" logo on the homepage

04:43:53 [AaronSw]

that'd rock

04:44:14 [AaronSw]

even better: IIS/ASP

04:44:18 [sbp]

heh, heh

04:45:36 [AaronSw]

heh: "If the use of ZShell leads to a data loss, your dog being killed, or your wife/husband going away, then : YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED !!!"

04:45:51 [sbp]

.google ZShell

04:45:52 [xena]

ZShell: http://www.acc.umu.se/~yarin/zshell.html

04:46:05 [AaronSw]

see http://www.librelogiciel.com/software/ZShell/action_Presentation

04:47:01 [sbp]

a set of swift, expeditious, punchy thanks to you

04:49:57 [sbp]

ooh, Tom Hanks should be in a film called "Thank You"

04:50:11 [AaronSw]

y?

04:50:32 [sbp]

then, one of the captions could be: "Tom really puts the Hanks back into thanks"

04:50:44 [sbp]

* sbp takes a bow

04:51:07 [AaronSw]

Paul Snively: 'Geez, and I was even careful not to say "AI." I just kind of expected, given the problem domain, that a self-correcting, adaptive architecture was not only obviously called for, but quite literally the only way to reach the goal. Still, yes, my inability to come up with the algorithm for Hopfield back-propagation or the Group Method of Data Handling or Analog Complexing probably hurt me.'

04:51:09 [sbp]

nice phonetic abreviation, BWT

04:52:08 [AaronSw]

tx

04:52:36 [sbp]

you mean: fanx

04:52:43 [AaronSw]

"Aaron Swartz's terrific sign-your-page essaylet. I should have automated this in Radio Userland by now."

04:52:52 [sbp]

well, not quite, but close enough

04:53:07 [sbp]

DW?

04:53:19 [AaronSw]

give me a break. PaulS

04:53:42 [sbp]

* sbp hands Aaron a small partially completed break

04:54:44 [sbp]

then again, I dunno what Weitzner has to do with RU, anyway

04:56:38 [sbp]

what's your favourite type of bread?

04:56:43 [AaronSw]

hm, "New Haircut" looks way cooler when darkened

04:56:44 [AaronSw]

sourdough

04:56:50 [sbp]

Hmm... cool

04:56:53 [AaronSw]

especially with egyptial yeast... mmmmmm

04:57:43 [sbp]

* sbp may have to augment the shopping list

05:00:26 [sbp]

Gotta run

05:00:28 [AaronSw]

hm, i so want to use tinderbox

05:00:34 [AaronSw]

ooh, right at midnight

05:00:37 [AaronSw]

must be the witching hour

05:00:38 [AaronSw]

.time cst

05:00:39 [xena]

Apr. 30, 2002 12:00 am US/Central

05:00:40 [AaronSw]

.time bst

05:00:41 [xena]

Apr. 30, 2002 6:00 am GMT+1

05:00:58 [AaronSw]

OK, so, i so really want to use tinderbox

05:01:02 [AaronSw]

but it's a Classic app

05:01:10 [AaronSw]

so i thought about putting it on my iBook

05:01:26 [AaronSw]

but then i figured i should hold out on buying one until they come out with an OS X version (on principle)

05:05:22 [syn|ack]

cya guys later on from home

05:05:47 [AaronSw]

cya

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05:12:11 [AaronSw]

whoa, lots of debian bugs opened today

05:14:23 [AaronSw]

ah, priority things

05:14:56 [AaronSw]

really stupid priority things

05:22:58 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves goodbye to a website

05:29:42 [AaronSw]

<sigh />

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06:38:40 [AaronSw]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

06:39:42 [jillzilla]

Hi, AaronSw! Isn't this day just froopy!

06:40:13 [AaronSw]

if by froopy, you mean bad, i think we're in agreement

06:40:25 [jillzilla]

I meant good.

06:40:27 [jillzilla]

What's up?

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06:40:48 [AaronSw]

i think this stupid postgres upgrade deleted my database and its backup

06:40:53 [syn|ack_]

and I bet you thought I was gone? :)

06:40:59 [jillzilla]

synack!

06:41:15 [syn|ack_]

hello jillzilla :>

06:41:32 [jillzilla]

AaronSw is having a difficult time of things.

06:41:41 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw cries

06:41:46 [syn|ack_]

still blaming XML?

06:41:47 [jillzilla]

What was the database?

06:41:52 [syn|ack_]

oh, DB issues

06:41:58 [jillzilla]

Like, DB *gone*.

06:42:01 [jillzilla]

upgrade killed it.

06:42:13 [AaronSw]

'twas my schoolyard subversion website

06:42:36 [jillzilla]

Is there a live version still up?

06:42:44 [AaronSw]

nope

06:43:02 [syn|ack_]

* syn|ack_ hangs his head and comforts AaronSw

06:43:05 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla lets out her breath.

06:43:15 [jillzilla]

Aaaah.

06:43:33 [AaronSw]

Oh, I have a backup from when I moved it to the new machine... that's on Feb5.

06:43:38 [AaronSw]

I wonder if I changed anything since then.

06:43:50 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla is relieved. I was afraid it was totally gone.

06:44:12 [AaronSw]

oops, that backup failed

06:44:30 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla takes back anything good she has said in the last five minutes.

06:44:40 [AaronSw]

wow the world just loves me today

06:45:49 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw grabs `recover`

06:46:34 [jillzilla]

"Try to catch the deluge in a paper cup.."

06:47:22 [jillzilla]

"My possessions are causing me suspicion but there's no proof."

06:48:54 [jillzilla]

"get to know the feeling of liberation and release..."

06:50:38 [AaronSw]

Hm. I guess I can try and boot back up the old server.

06:50:51 [AaronSw]

I wonder where it is...

06:50:55 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw goes off to look

06:53:16 [AaronSw]

recover sefaulted

06:53:30 [AaronSw]

today's lesson is: don't attempt system upgrades at 1AM

06:54:01 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla nods, having learned that lesson many times with great pain.

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06:57:25 [AaronSw]

hm, to rescue the machine now, or sleep and do it in the morning...

06:57:30 [jillzilla]

hello, tansaku.

06:57:39 [jillzilla]

AaronSw: You might be digging yourself deeper if you do it tonight.

06:57:45 [jillzilla]

On the other hand, you have state information now.

06:57:55 [jillzilla]

I would recommend writing 1-2 pages of notes, then sleeping.

06:58:13 [AaronSw]

Hm, good idea.

07:00:22 [AaronSw]

argh, there's another less importnat database that i'll never recover. oh well

07:05:33 [AaronSw]

ok, i think that'll do.

07:05:53 [AaronSw]

Hm, if the EUCD (european DMCA) gets passed, will Alan Cox have to move somewhere else?

07:11:30 [AaronSw]

i'm off to sleep. laters.

07:11:38 [syn|ack_]

night AaronSw

07:11:41 [jillzilla]

night.

07:11:45 [AaronSw]

thanks for everything, jillzilla, etc.

07:11:52 [jillzilla]

Good luck in the morning.

07:14:12 [jillzilla]

Good luck in the morning.

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10:22:10 [syn|ack_]

is there a preference to using elements over attributes?

10:22:21 [syn|ack_]

sorry, this is in regard to XML in general

10:26:34 [syn|ack_]

.google zvon xpath

10:26:35 [xena]

zvon xpath: http://www.zvon.org/xxl/XPathTutorial/General/examples.html

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Wow, I forgot about Chatzilla and that clicking on irc:// links in Mozilla actually works

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14:54:14 [sbp]

* sbp waves

14:55:17 [sbp]

heh @ <syn|ack_> still blaming XML?

14:56:55 [sbp]

Hmm... mega-bummer about subversion

14:57:03 [sbp]

what is it with Aaron and deleting his sites?

14:57:39 [sbp]

it's these silly databases

14:58:42 [sbp]

* sbp greps his local archives

15:00:42 [sbp]

heh: "OK, time out!" - DanBri on www-rdf-interest

15:00:53 [sbp]

putting the stops on the D/C/H/V thread :-)

15:01:14 [sbp]

heh, heh:-

15:01:15 [sbp]

[[[

15:01:16 [sbp]

It's an interesting topic, I could just see the thread continuing on for

15:01:16 [sbp]

eternity without hope of resolution unless we try to achieve something

15:01:16 [sbp]

specific.

15:01:16 [sbp]

]]]

15:18:50 [AaronSw]

yeah, what is it with me

15:19:22 [AaronSw]

thanks jill.

15:19:23 [AaronSw]

thanks jill.

15:32:57 [AaronSw]

hm, does your client beep when i say sbp, sean?

15:44:08 [sbp]

pardon?

15:44:26 [sbp]

heh, repetition

15:44:26 [sbp]

heh, repetition

15:45:40 [AaronSw]

jill repeated

15:45:47 [AaronSw]

Does your client beep when i say sbp, sean?

15:47:29 [sbp]

jill repeated?

15:47:35 [sbp]

nope, it doesn't

15:48:05 [sbp]

if people want me, they can be patient :-)

15:48:33 [sbp]

actually, I was contemplating turning highlighting on... but I don't think I will

15:50:39 [sbp]

who is Azaroth?

15:51:46 [AaronSw]

azaroth is our visitor from MOOland

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16:54:47 [AaronSw]

"The Google staff, he said, had never had anyone do a protest event about them before and were thinking of joining in."

16:54:51 [AaronSw]

- http://www.ssc.com/pipermail/atc/2002-March/000010.html

16:56:08 [sbp]

heh, heh

16:57:15 [sbp]

Gotta run

17:57:56 [sbp]

Gotta run

18:00:26 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw updates photo on aaronsw.com

18:04:43 [AaronSw]

longdesc: "A young man with a detached look and half-smile stares at you with a quizzical look. There's a bright light coming from the upper left casting part of his face in shadow. He seems to be wearing a black shirt which blends in nicely with the solid black bacground."

18:05:42 [AaronSw]

i'm surprised at how well that photo came out. i just went into the bathroom held the camera in front of my face and hit shoot

18:05:50 [AaronSw]

i was sure it would suck

18:09:01 [AaronSw]

anyone know the CSS for 'links inside a div with id="banner"'?

18:10:02 [redmonk]

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18:10:38 [AaronSw]

just a space?

18:10:44 [redmonk]

ello ello ello!

18:10:54 [davb]

that is what I use :)

18:11:54 [AaronSw]

hi redmonk

18:12:18 [AaronSw]

died of deployment yet?

18:13:31 [davb]

"Contextual selectors are merely strings of two or more simple selectors separated by white space."

18:13:57 [redmonk]

no, deployment went well

18:14:08 [redmonk]

a while back

18:14:13 [redmonk]

been doing other stuff

18:14:25 [redmonk]

just went to a mtg

18:14:56 [redmonk]

the company paid some outrageious fortune for a j2ee-ish mapping/geo-data product that runs on informix on a sun server

18:15:04 [redmonk]

and no one's using it b/c it's too complex

18:15:38 [redmonk]

i may end up writinng a wrapper application around it

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18:47:45 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw cleans up HTML on http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/misc/IMG_1407.JPG/view

18:47:59 [AaronSw]

hm, thans davb

18:49:06 [davb]

np.

18:49:39 [AaronSw]

redmonk, heh, heh

18:49:53 [AaronSw]

so much for j2ee

18:52:22 [redmonk]

it's mre that it's the geodata, and working with the map data

18:52:30 [redmonk]

the system is super-granular

18:53:11 [redmonk]

so you have to tell it you want street data, and building data, and highways, and whatever, then tell it how to paint/stroke each layer

18:53:13 [redmonk]

it's nuts

18:53:30 [AaronSw]

ooh, fun

18:53:37 [redmonk]

uh huh

18:53:50 [AaronSw]

with a nice UI that might actually be pretty neat

18:54:07 [redmonk]

yeah, but there is no nice UI.

18:54:19 [AaronSw]

"This is your city. This is you city after jillzilla crushes all buildings."

18:54:26 [redmonk]

what i assume i'll need to do is create a nicer, abstract API

18:54:28 [redmonk]

muahahaha

18:54:40 [redmonk]

that's focused on our data

18:54:47 [AaronSw]

neat.

18:54:53 [AaronSw]

ok, i need to stop procrastinating and go back to operation rescue db

18:59:45 [walloper]

<lilo> http://lwn.net/daily/help-opnirc.php3

19:00:06 [walloper]

<lilo> (similar announcement submitted to /. but rejected, such is life)

19:05:01 [sbp]

* sbp waves

19:05:48 [redmonk]

lo sbp

19:05:54 [sbp]

but I'm sure you mean #banner a, (as davb suggested)

19:06:03 [sbp]

[[[

19:06:03 [sbp]

<AaronSw> anyone know the CSS for 'links inside a div with id="banner"'?

19:06:04 [sbp]

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19:06:04 [sbp]

<davb> #banner A ?

19:06:04 [sbp]

]]]

19:06:17 [sbp]

Hi there rm

19:06:25 [redmonk]

hi

19:08:42 [sbp]

Hmm... that plea from lilo is a bit worrying

19:08:55 [sbp]

but service hasn't been all *that* bad

19:10:36 [sbp]

weird: I keep getting French spam lately

19:17:33 [sbp]

* sbp wonders how the db rescusing is going]

19:17:38 [sbp]

s/]//

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19:28:30 [jillzilla]

jillzilla has changed the topic to: <AaronSw> "This is your city. This is you city after jillzilla crushes all buildings."

19:28:59 [sbp]

heh, heh

19:29:06 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla waves.

19:29:22 [sbp]

* sbp waves

19:30:31 [sbp]

* sbp reads http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25088.html

19:30:42 [sbp]

@ http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25088.html

19:31:18 [chumpy]

A: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25088.html from sbp

19:31:33 [sbp]

A:|Alan Cox attacks the European DMCA (EUCD)

19:31:50 [chumpy]

titled item A

19:32:13 [tomch]

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19:32:17 [AaronSw]

A::If this thing gets passed, will Alan stop attending conferences in the UK?

19:32:38 [chumpy]

commented item A

19:32:48 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves, starts inspecting db backup

19:32:52 [tomch]

* tomch ripples

19:32:55 [sbp]

how's it going?

19:33:02 [sbp]

(hey tom)

19:34:41 [sbp]

ooh: http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-rdf-schema-20020430/

19:38:51 [soto]

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19:39:14 [sbp]

Hi there

19:39:49 [soto]

hello

19:39:58 [soto]

what kind of channel is this?

19:40:06 [jillzilla]

Time for sbp to whip out the FAQ!

19:40:17 [jillzilla]

sbp: this is the moment you've been waiting for!

19:40:27 [sbp]

* sbp runs around in circles

19:40:31 [sbp]

http://infomesh.net/2002/swhackfaq/

19:40:45 [jillzilla]

yaaaay!

19:40:46 [tomch]

ooh

19:40:51 [jillzilla]

Don't fuck with the quote deely!

19:41:10 [sbp]

heh, heh. A don't bork the bots, else you'll be chanting and stripping

19:43:11 [soto]

hmm

19:44:18 [tomch]

dude, *I'm* a pro Java programmer!@!@!

19:44:31 [jillzilla]

Well, I once saw Barry Manilow in concert.

19:44:48 [AaronSw]

sin't redmonk a pro java programmer?

19:44:58 [sbp]

I'm poor

19:45:19 [tomch]

and yet strangely rich

19:45:19 [sbp]

redmonk has diplomatic immunity

19:45:33 [sbp]

I'm poor compared to you guys

19:45:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw sings achey-breakey-song

19:46:08 [sbp]

Hmm... perhaps being an REM fan cancels out being a pro. Java pro.?

19:46:31 [jillzilla]

But what cancels Barry?

19:46:35 [tomch]

I'm bored of REM...

19:46:59 [sbp]

the only thing that can possibly cancel Barry is being a Simpsons fan

19:47:20 [sbp]

Homer: Oh Margy, you came and you found me a turkey...

19:47:32 [jillzilla]

tomch: I went through a long bored with REM phase, and then the other day I spontaneously brought the reckoning CD to work.

19:47:55 [jillzilla]

sbp: Hmmm...do I count as a fan if I used to ride my motorcycle miles and miles to watch it?

19:48:16 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw imports database

19:48:17 [jillzilla]

Even if that was in...um...1990?

19:48:21 [tomch]

yeah, no doubt I'll love 'em again

19:48:32 [jillzilla]

tomch: But give it lots of time.

19:48:34 [sbp]

yeah. that counts

19:48:44 [jillzilla]

whew.

19:48:53 [tomch]

ooh, ohh:

19:48:54 [tomch]

[[[

19:49:01 [sbp]

]]]

19:49:02 [sbp]

not that anyone'd toss you out if it didn't

19:49:09 [jillzilla]

awwwww....

19:49:14 [AaronSw]

To prevent this day from getting worse, I'll just read ERROR as GOOD THING

19:49:23 [sbp]

lol!

19:49:31 [AaronSw]

Hm, potential dash-option for postgres, there

19:49:44 [jillzilla]

--dontfuckupmydatabase

19:49:54 [tomch]

hehe

19:50:01 [AaronSw]

Hm, FATAL GOOD THING... doesn't really sound right

19:50:02 [sbp]

--lieabouterrors

19:50:06 [AaronSw]

ooh, it finished

19:50:29 [AaronSw]

whoa, it's a miracle

19:50:32 [AaronSw]

it's working again

19:50:49 [sbp]

heh, we've got quite a "don't fuck up/with my x" pattern going on here

19:50:57 [jillzilla]

Ahhh, airfare from San Francisco to Santiago only $600.

19:50:59 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla pines.

19:51:00 [sbp]

Subversion's back?

19:51:08 [sbp]

pinin' for the fjords?!

19:51:09 [AaronSw]

seems so, check it out: http://www.aaronsw.com/school/

19:51:22 [sbp]

ooh, neat

19:51:32 [AaronSw]

I don't think I've written anything since then

19:51:40 [AaronSw]

and anyone who subscribed in the meantime can just buzz off

19:54:51 [soto]

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20:03:53 [sbp]

oh, wow: http://www.w3.org/TR/XHTMLplusMathMLplusSVG/

20:05:27 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if samples validate nicely

20:05:56 [AaronSw]

"Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because its returned content-type was application/xhtml+xml, which is not currently supported by this service."

20:06:01 [sbp]

heh, heh

20:07:18 [AaronSw]

Hm, I wonder if Hebrew has a word for 'teach', since all of the Hebrew-speakers I know use the word 'learn' instead.

20:07:32 [sbp]

Hmm... interesting

20:07:44 [sbp]

.google "Hebrew for teach"

20:07:45 [xena]

no results found.

20:11:46 [AaronSw]

neat: http://docbook.org/wiki/moin.cgi/

20:14:44 [Seth]

.google project artaud

20:14:45 [xena]

project artaud: http://www.artaud.org

20:15:08 [sbp]

Hmm... DocBookWiki

20:15:58 [AaronSw]

.time pst

20:15:59 [xena]

Apr. 30, 2002 1:15 pm US/Pacific

20:16:53 [AaronSw]

heh, DW got Ramen!

20:16:59 [AaronSw]

somebody isn't running up2dat

20:22:18 [sbp]

* sbp tries to decode the characters used in Masayasu's name

20:22:31 [sbp]

HTTP HEAD...

20:23:01 [sbp]

utf-8, and on to Python...

20:24:13 [AaronSw]

Ash, DW has gotten hit by the Ramen Linux worm, your response?

20:24:26 [sbp]

heh!

20:24:40 [AaronSw]

tinderbox has bought the term 'weblog' - cool

20:24:57 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw pokes Ash. your response???

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20:27:19 [sbp]

aha: \u77f3\u5ddd \u96c5\u5eb7

20:28:30 [sbp]

what a funny range

20:29:39 [deltab]

I'd look those up but I deleted my dictionary recently

20:29:57 [sbp]

* sbp decides not to download http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U4E00.pdf

20:30:30 [deltab]

ah, I can still render them

20:30:46 [sbp]

* sbp defies himself and downloads it

20:31:09 [deltab]

unifont covers all four

20:31:22 [sbp]

.google unifont

20:31:23 [xena]

unifont: http://czyborra.com/unifont

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20:32:10 [redmonk]

* redmonk falss over laughing @ "before shouting your mouth off and looking like a xoot"

20:35:13 [tomch]

* tomch decides decisions aren't actions

20:35:46 [sbp]

heh, heh, that was a pretty good bit

20:35:48 [sbp]

* sbp found UniPad crashing his computer

20:35:50 [sbp]

but it displays the characters nicely

20:36:03 [redmonk]

hey sbp: you forgot to mention the TREE FILES@! in the FAQ

20:36:20 [tomch]

heh

20:36:29 [sbp]

didn't know where to put it

20:36:37 [redmonk]

and what counts as bot abuse?

20:36:43 [redmonk]

* redmonk smacks xena

20:36:56 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: <AaronSw> To prevent this day from getting worse, I'll just read ERROR as GOOD THING

20:37:00 [tomch]

PUT IT ON TEH END

20:37:03 [redmonk]

* redmonk pokes chumpster in eyes

20:37:20 [sbp]

dunno. that's Morbus's thang

20:37:21 [redmonk]

* redmonk wallops walloper

20:37:25 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla calls loggy's mother a mean name.

20:37:28 [tomch]

rm: try rape

20:37:37 [redmonk]

tomch, um, no

20:37:43 [redmonk]

not my bag

20:38:07 [tomch]

:-) fair enough

20:39:14 [tomch]

maybe you need Morbus to *truly* abuse a bot

20:40:11 [redmonk]

I think "Morbus" is a new verb, beyond "Abuse"

20:40:19 [redmonk]

"Morbuse"?

20:40:30 [tomch]

heheh

20:40:34 [sbp]

heh

20:40:42 [quasi]

)

20:40:57 [sbp]

* sbp searches for the opening parenthesis

20:41:08 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla sends a ( back in time.

20:41:17 [sbp]

missing a colon, quasi?

20:41:26 [AaronSw]

argh, up2date doesn't install by default?!

20:41:54 [sbp]

"Aaron's day just gets better and better"

20:42:08 [quasi]

oh no, I just had an extra ) in my little proggy and needed somewhere to get rid of it ;)

20:42:27 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla notes that #swhack is not a character dump!

20:42:32 [syn|ack]

hiya all

20:42:34 [tomch]

:-)

20:42:36 [sbp]

Hey syn

20:42:40 [jillzilla]

hi, synack.

20:43:40 [quasi]

jillzilla: I'll see if I can find a spare : somewhere the next time I have an extra )

20:43:50 [syn|ack]

At the risk of asking a dumb question *thick skin on* - is RDF suited to things like config files as well?

20:44:03 [sbp]

yep, pretty much so

20:44:12 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla waves and wanders off to do work.

20:44:19 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack waves to jillzilla

20:44:23 [sbp]

well, NTriples plus = would be pretty neat

20:44:37 [sbp]

I mean, you'd want to define some subset, of course

20:44:38 [syn|ack]

is it as practical though?

20:44:43 [sbp]

absolutely

20:45:01 [syn|ack]

can you recommend me some resources to study up on?

20:45:04 [sbp]

probably pointless though, for small projects

20:45:15 [syn|ack]

with regard to the RDF that is

20:45:16 [sbp]

there may be some utility for larger projects... I haven't really thought about it

20:45:25 [sbp]

resources: try Dave Beckett's guide

20:45:27 [sbp]

hang on...

20:45:34 [sbp]

.google Dave Beckett RDF Resource

20:45:35 [xena]

Dave Beckett RDF Resource: http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/rdf/resources

20:45:37 [syn|ack]

i'm starting what could be a big project and want to explore these options

20:45:38 [sbp]

aha

20:45:50 [syn|ack]

thank you sbp

20:45:57 [sbp]

np

20:46:29 [syn|ack]

whoa, lots there

20:46:38 [syn|ack]

hmmm..

20:46:39 [sbp]

just read the best ones

20:46:45 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack checks if there is anything at zvon

20:47:07 [syn|ack]

they have lots of examples...

20:47:09 [sbp]

well, is there something that you specifically want to learn about, or do you just want an overview?

20:47:16 [syn|ack]

ahhh there is

20:47:24 [dogcow]

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20:47:26 [dogcow]

RE

20:47:31 [syn|ack]

i want to learn about what it can do for me and see examples of how to do it

20:47:32 [AaronSw]

Ahs!

20:47:34 [Seth]

doesn't mozilla pretty much use rdf for their configuration files?

20:47:37 [dogcow]

What's up, AaronSw?

20:47:48 [AaronSw]

dogcow, DW got hit by the Ramen worm. We turn to your for reaction.

20:47:49 [syn|ack]

Seth: really?

20:47:56 [dogcow]

AHAHAHAHAHA

20:47:59 [dogcow]

* dogcow dies laughing

20:48:00 [AaronSw]

Mozilla uses RDF for tons of stuff

20:48:04 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack looks in .mozilla

20:48:06 [dogcow]

I thought dwiner hated email.

20:48:07 [sbp]

moof

20:48:10 [dogcow]

Maybe this is why.

20:48:18 [AaronSw]

no, this is a linux worm

20:48:20 [sbp]

wow. I never knew that dogcow == Ash

20:48:21 [dogcow]

<dwiner> if I don't use email, i'm protected from my own stupidity

20:48:21 [AaronSw]

not email-based

20:48:22 [dogcow]

Oh!

20:48:24 [syn|ack]

it does too

20:48:26 [syn|ack]

thanks Seth

20:48:27 [dogcow]

* dogcow laughs!

20:48:28 [Seth]

well that was more a question than a answer ... but mozilla does make extensive use of rdf

20:48:28 [AaronSw]

it hit their main linux server

20:48:30 [dogcow]

I hadn't heard about the Ramen worm

20:48:33 [dogcow]

my bad.

20:48:37 [dogcow]

HEH

20:48:43 [AaronSw]

http://www.redhat.com/support/alerts/ramen_worm.html

20:48:45 [dogcow]

That's hilarious!

20:48:57 [syn|ack]

it looks very 'attribute' based

20:49:06 [dogcow]

Sheesh.

20:49:13 [dogcow]

I can't believe anyone uses WU-anything

20:49:27 [AaronSw]

"we have had the patches available for our customers on our website and through Red Hat Network since September 2000."

20:49:28 [dogcow]

* dogcow laughs and laughs

20:49:48 [dogcow]

Oh man.. that's soo funny.

20:49:53 [sbp]

heh, heh

20:50:07 [dogcow]

Yet another case of the clueless luserland admins at work

20:50:32 [dogcow]

Here's a helpful hint, kids: If you can't afford the money to hire a competent linux/unix admin.. DON'T RUN LINUX!

20:50:40 [dogcow]

</public service announcement>

20:51:04 [dogcow]

No wonder I hadn't heard about the Ramen worm. That was quite some time ago.

20:51:47 [dogcow]

And they can't even bring their server up properly.

20:52:06 [dogcow]

<Userland admin> HOW DO U FIEX TEH LUNIX WITHOUET UESING TEH INSTALLAR!%11?}

20:52:13 [sbp]

lol

20:52:20 [sbp]

that's what we wanted to hear

20:53:01 [dogcow]

Ah, okay.

20:53:01 [dogcow]

Hee hee.

20:53:02 [AaronSw]

But Ash, can tou really expect UserLand admins to drive out to Exodus every time a new patch is released?

20:53:18 [dogcow]

<Userland admin> WAHT SI TEH SSACHE?!?$+!1

20:53:26 [dogcow]

Yeah, it's really hard to use a serial terminal server.

20:53:35 [dogcow]

Cygnus is too expensive for userland

20:53:35 [dogcow]

hehe

20:53:38 [dogcow]

er

20:53:43 [dogcow]

s/Cygnus/Cyclades/

20:53:55 [dogcow]

Man oh man.. haha

20:54:06 [dogcow]

and a critical server without some non-network way to access it

20:54:07 [dogcow]

HAHAHA

20:54:28 [dogcow]

<Userland admin> WAHT SI TEH CERAL PORT?@% IT MSUT BE FOER TEH FROOT LOOPZ1@%

20:54:33 [AaronSw]

lol

20:54:36 [AaronSw]

ooh: http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=06780

20:54:51 [AaronSw]

"enable the Unicode Hex Input checkbox"

20:55:27 [sbp]

ooh, interesting

20:55:52 [dogcow]

That's kinda cool

20:56:13 [sbp]

Gotta run

20:57:02 [dogcow]

* dogcow turns into the HULK

20:57:05 [dogcow]

DELETE ACCOUNT

20:57:07 [dogcow]

HULK MAD

20:57:16 [dogcow]

ACCOUNT MAKE HULK ANGRY

20:58:09 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw watches metal cage slide down from ceiling

20:58:18 [AaronSw]

cool, now i can type all the hip unicode characters

20:59:03 [dogcow]

* dogcow watches AaronSw type Prince's old name

20:59:14 [AaronSw]

yeah, this rocks

21:00:09 [AaronSw]

wow, that's a lot of runesa

21:00:21 [justme]

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21:00:44 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is looking at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utf8.html

21:01:45 [AaronSw]

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21:01:51 [AaronSw]

I can eat glass and it does not hurt me.

21:02:39 [AaronSw]

ooh, ooh, waht's the interrobang char?

21:07:50 [AaronSw]

er codepoint

21:08:11 [AaronSw]

ah: http://infomesh.net/misc/diff/

21:08:28 [AaronSw]

I get a quote with a box aroundit

21:11:56 [Pawn]

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21:12:10 [Pawn]

* Pawn waves

21:12:20 [tomch]

hi

21:12:27 [Pawn]

hi tom

21:13:07 [tomch]

argh! How do you know my name??

21:13:31 [Pawn]

isn't tom from tomch?

21:13:42 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gets code2000

21:13:53 [tomch]

yes, as is omc

21:14:09 [jillzilla]

* jillzilla waves to mch

21:14:40 [tomch]

* tomch blushes at the attention

21:15:19 [tomch]

Suppertime methinks.

21:15:48 [AaronSw]

Oooh, Code2000 has the Interrobang! yes!

21:38:10 [AaronSw]

oh, th epart of the trip i forgot to tell sbp about

21:38:32 [AaronSw]

I went over both Tobin and Longfellow

21:39:28 [AaronSw]

that leaves just mystic and zakim

21:43:56 [AaronSw]

heh: http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/30/simpsons.reut/index.html

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21:48:03 [redmonk]

poor sbp

21:48:17 [jillzilla]

?

21:48:29 [redmonk]

The Simpsons are going away some day

21:48:35 [redmonk]

per Matt Groening

21:48:45 [jillzilla]

Oh, dear.

21:48:50 [redmonk]

Armageddon is in sight

21:50:59 [tomch]

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21:52:31 [AaronSw]

cf. http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/30/simpsons.reut/index.html

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22:00:03 [sbp]

* sbp waves

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22:00:16 [AaronSw]

some comments for mr. sbp above

22:01:33 [sbp]

yeah, I read 'em

22:02:01 [AaronSw]

i was disappointed that mystic is Conn...

22:03:09 [sbp]

ooh, missed that bit. where's Zakim?

22:03:59 [AaronSw]

it's between boston and charlestown

22:04:51 [sbp]

Um...

22:04:51 [sbp]

that's a nice precise location :-)

22:06:36 [Seth]

my wife just said that "people tend to be evil" .. me, i think people are too stupid to be evil

22:06:41 [AaronSw]

well, bridges don't exactly have adresses

22:07:11 [AaronSw]

here's a photo: http://architecture.mit.edu/~zkramer/thesis/zakim_index.html

22:07:17 [jillzilla]

Seth: I agree. Most apparent evil is actually stupidity or shortsightedness.

22:08:47 [sbp]

heh

22:08:56 [redmonk]

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22:09:12 [sbp]

rm!

22:09:15 [Seth]

guy bought the ABUTTON on http://speaktomecatalog.com/page/america.htm , then said it didnt work ... i say take his word for it and send him a new one .. my better half says he's evil and wants one for free

22:09:40 [AaronSw]

that's your better half?

22:09:51 [Seth]

yep .. without a doubt :)

22:11:49 [AaronSw]

Heh, charmod has its own comments form: http://www.w3.org/2002/05/charmod/LastCall

22:16:00 [sbp]

heh, cool

22:17:18 [AaronSw]

oddly enough http://www.w3.org/2002/05/charmod/LastCallWillNeverEndForCharmod works too ;)

22:22:50 [sbp]

heh!

22:23:55 [sbp]

wow: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_578819.html?menu=news.quirkies

22:30:04 [AaronSw]

Ben Hammersly: 'I've just agreed a contract with O'Reilly to write "Content Syndication with XML and RSS" for release around the end of the year.'

22:30:20 [AaronSw]

and get this... he's writing it in OPML: http://rss.benhammersley.com/

22:31:50 [sbp]

heh: """It is usually Valid XHTML Strict 1.1 but sometimes the links from the news items contain invalid characters and break complete compliance. Ho hum."""

22:32:14 [sbp]

notwithstanding that fact that "Strict 1.1" is a bit of a "absolutely definitely"

22:32:26 [sbp]

it's quite funny

22:32:35 [sbp]

s/a /an /

22:33:07 [sbp]

heh, if I had access to the swhack logs...

22:36:03 [AaronSw]

whoa, danbri xhtmlized Blindless

22:36:33 [sbp]

yep, I saw that

22:37:51 [AaronSw]

interesting: http://www.combex.com/papers/darpa-review/security-review.html

22:37:56 [AaronSw]

GR: dinner

22:40:08 [sbp]

c'ya

22:42:05 [sbp]

William's book is so great

22:42:40 [Seth]

what william .. what book?

22:42:58 [sbp]

.google William Loughborough Blindless

22:42:59 [xena]

William Loughborough Blindless: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2000OctDec/0538.html

22:43:28 [sbp]

heh, that message is a blast from the past

22:43:39 [sbp]

try http://rdfweb.org/people/danbri/2002/02/blindless

22:46:10 [sbp]

although I think that William's writing has come on even from that... which is a bit scary, really

22:46:32 [sbp]

I actually think I enjoy William's writings more than anyone else on the planet, at the moment

22:46:57 [syn|ack]

i was 'catalogued' the other night in danbri's madness! *cackle*

23:13:15 [sbp]

catalogued?

23:13:54 [sbp]

.google "new improved queen snake"

23:13:55 [xena]

no results found.

23:22:14 [AaronSw]

this is sick: http://www.w3.org/2002/04/CFS0104-5.htm

23:22:22 [AaronSw]

the W3C having a link to (accessible version)?

23:23:03 [AaronSw]

I wonder what those numbers are in...

23:23:31 [AaronSw]

ah, M i guess

23:24:16 [syn|ack]

sbp: catalogued in danbri's database!

23:24:20 [syn|ack]

argggh!

23:24:30 [syn|ack]

:)

23:24:44 [AaronSw]

rdf knowz all

23:24:55 [AaronSw]

oops, that page is member-only

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23:26:54 [BenSw|AC]

hi

23:27:03 [syn|ack]

hiya BenSw|AC

23:27:52 [BenSw|AC]

gotta go guys bye

23:27:55 [BenSw|AC]

whoops

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23:35:00 [syn|ack]

what sorts of things are conferenceing about?

23:35:07 [syn|ack]

approx how many are in these conferences?

23:35:12 [syn|ack]

or is that privey info? :)

23:35:23 [syn|ack]

* syn|ack watches his nose get in the way...

23:36:13 [syn|ack]

just tell me to 'shut up' - thats OK.

23:36:34 [AaronSw]

it depends. fridays are RDF Core conferences

23:36:37 [AaronSw]

.google rdf core

23:36:38 [xena]

rdf core: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore

23:36:39 [AaronSw]

gotta run

23:37:00 [syn|ack]

cya later

23:37:22 [syn|ack]

am I correct in assuming that dublin core and RDF are aimed at the same thing?

23:39:12 [sbp]

* sbp waves - got distracted

23:39:42 [sbp]

dublin core is a kind of library-community thing

23:40:05 [sbp]

they came up with the Dublin Core elements, a vocabulary that can be used in RDF

23:40:15 [sbp]

they're all metadatery things

23:40:31 [syn|ack]

yeah, that is why i thought they where aimed at the same thing

23:41:05 [syn|ack]

zvon.org has lots of RDF examples btw - I'm going to look at those tonight. Great resource that site

23:52:28 [sbp]

ooh, it's May