00:26:41 pfl;bbb 00:27:20 AaronSw: you don't say? that is fascinating 00:27:31 I'm glad you thought so. 00:27:47 I'm thinking of posting it to my weblog, and then cross-posting to several newsgroups and email lists. 00:28:04 Then I'll by a few text ads, maybe a blimp or two. 00:28:09 ooh, I should stop reading the P800 specs 00:28:16 I totally want one 00:28:20 Heh. 00:30:53 * sbp hastily runs through dvorak stuff, and finds nothing 00:31:02 I could write an app that blogs photos directly from the phone 00:39:08 tomch has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: tch!~lambda@modem-932.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk))) 00:39:42 tomch (~lambda@modem-932.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 00:41:26 or if you really want to waste battery, run a webcam from your phone 00:42:42 geez, you can author SMIL on the phone! 01:16:56 doesn't tansaku have a photo-on-phone emailer? 01:17:03 just hook it up to email-to-blog 01:37:37 GR: Malcom ITM 02:24:50 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 02:27:05 it's TEH TREE FILE repair man 02:29:15 * AaronSw uploads today's pic 02:29:26 A:|Steve's Web Page 02:29:36 * AaronSw watches a bio on John Nash 02:29:45 titled item A 02:39:10 tomch has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: pyfgcrl!~lambda@modem-2307.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk))) 02:39:17 tomch (~lambda@modem-2307.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 02:39:45 Nash turned down a position at U of C, cuz he was scheduled to become Emperor of Anactica 03:01:18 wmf has quit ("groceries") 03:06:37 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 03:11:08 tomch has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:28:32 diveintomark: "HTML is not a crock, and anyone who tells you that it is either doesn't understand it or is trying to sell you something, or both. It's a structural markup language, and if you're trying to make it into something else, it's no wonder you hate it, because it really sucks at being anything else. And if you insist on treating it with no respect, then it will continue to give you grief, and you deserve it." 03:28:49 :-) 03:29:48 Um... 03:30:18 * jillzilla is having trouble getting focused on work. 03:30:25 it sucks at being a "structural markup language" too, though (if I get what he means by that) 03:30:45 ingest some caffeine 03:30:54 nooo, then I'd be up all night. 03:31:21 drink some warm milk before you go to bed 03:32:02 * jillzilla notes that sbp could stand to have some warm milk himself. 03:32:16 nah 03:32:54 Up a bit late there. 03:33:04 .time +1 03:33:04 error: Site Error occurred: KeyError 03:33:10 .time BST 03:33:10 Apr. 29, 2002 4:33 am GMT+1 03:33:22 it 03:33:26 it's not all that late... 03:33:32 So I see. :-) 03:33:54 sbp: we could watch the sun rise together! That would be so much fun! 03:34:00 * sbp envisages himself one day prising the ' key from his keyboard and hurling it somewhere 03:34:19 I'd rather have a game of pool 03:34:26 I'm sitting next to a pool table. 03:34:39 argh! torture me, why don't you? 03:34:48 * jillzilla applies the Chinese water torture. 03:34:50 drip 03:34:52 drip 03:34:55 drip 03:34:57 drip 03:35:00 drip 03:35:04 drip 03:35:08 wet today? 03:35:09 Argh, this is so much more painful on IRC. 03:35:09 drip 03:35:14 * jillzilla laughs. 03:35:23 Muahahahahaha. 03:35:48 .py while 1: msg("jillzilla", "drip") 03:35:48 SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing 03:35:52 hmph 03:36:01 at least put a sleep in there. 03:36:06 heh... put a \ at the end :-) 03:36:34 dripsleep? 03:36:40 * jillzilla recalls the very embarrassing night when she learned that while 1 loops are best with sleeps in them. 03:36:53 Heh. 03:37:35 Hey, I thought *I* was the torturer here, and that sbp was the victim. 03:38:19 Oh, right. sorry there. 03:38:27 * sbp resists the urge to play Green Day, She 03:38:36 * jillzilla is listening to the Chemical Bros. 03:38:45 * sbp is listening to Bob Dylan 03:39:00 You like Bob Dylan quite a lot, eh, sbp? 03:39:04 I do indeed 03:39:59 you should have seen his ten favorite songs. it went beatles, beatles, beatles, dylan, dylan, dylan, beatles, beatles, ledzep, ledzep, dylan, beatles 03:40:10 oh, I want to hear the list. 03:40:16 I listed my ten favourite songs? I don't think so 03:40:19 .google infomesh ten songs 03:40:20 infomesh ten songs: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-02-23.txt 03:40:21 * jillzilla knows almost everything by the Beatles. 03:40:31 I downloaded all of them once 03:41:03 I freely admit that the Beatles, Dylan, and Zep are my three faourite musical acts of all time... 03:41:23 I vividly remember this top ten list. 03:41:32 It was with a bunch of other top tens, simpsons episodes, etc. 03:41:37 I like two of the three, and know little of the third. The two that I like have had times in my life when I listened to them daily. 03:41:48 One of the three I've listened to possibly more than any other band. 03:42:49 It's the first music I ever remember listening to. 03:42:52 * AaronSw browses his infomesh.net archive 03:43:19 * sbp greps his local directory 03:43:32 ha! there's so not a list 03:44:08 maybe you deleted it 03:44:32 it's where i got the smgcwm joke 03:45:05 heh. you're thinking of albums, I'm afraid 03:45:13 oh, same difference 03:45:27 and my opinion on that tends to change quite rapidly 03:46:12 almost any opinion list of mine is out of date by the time it's written :-) 03:46:12 aha, found it! 03:46:22 argh, you did delete it! 03:46:28 heh 03:46:32 * jillzilla looks curious. 03:46:35 good thing i have the local cache 03:46:52 indeed 03:47:14 -- 03:47:14 Top Ten Albums 03:47:14 From this list you can also ascertain my top three bands/musicians... 03:47:15 1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles 03:47:15 2. Blonde On Blonde - Bob Dylan 03:47:16 3. Revolver - The Beatles 03:47:17 4. (untitled) - Led Zeppelin 03:47:19 5. Abbey Road - The Beatles 03:47:21 6. Magical Mystery Tour - The Beatles 03:47:23 7. The Beatles (aka. The White Album) - The Beatles 03:47:25 8. Physical Graffiti - Led Zeppelin 03:47:27 9. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan 03:47:29 10. Led Zeppelin III - Led Zeppelin 03:47:31 -- 03:47:55 was that really an

Interesting. No Zep IV. 03:48:01 appears it was 03:48:04 (untitled) - Led Zeppelin 03:48:14 aha. 03:48:17 nearby: "If you are easily offended, you should skip the next list! It's mainly for a competition that FHM runs every year... Once again, see the caveat. Top Ten Sexiest Women In The World" 03:48:23 heh, heh 03:48:42 heh: "This really *is* a matter of opinion, and I welcome comments about the proposed order. I also welcome lobbies to remove the list, etc. (although I will categorically ignore them citing the first amendment of the US Constitution)." 03:48:43 I never did win that 03:48:58 who said these things? 03:49:03 Mr. sbp 03:49:08 damn right 03:49:14 ...who isn't bound by the US constitution. :-) 03:49:25 heh. the suckers don't know that 03:49:25 He also has Languages, Cars, TV Shows and books 03:49:35 Oooh, I want to see them ALL! 03:49:37 ooh, what was the cars list? 03:49:52 hm, cars was with the women 03:49:58 "I'll just list these in prose: Ferrari F50, McLaren F1, Jaguar XJ220, Bugatti EB110, Ferrari F40. One day I'll own all five..." 03:50:24 Argh, I never grabbed ttsw 03:50:36 Hmm... combined cost: c.Ł2M 03:50:39 maybe deltab has that 03:50:56 * sbp should have changed his FTP password earlier 03:51:10 * AaronSw smiles 03:51:18 it was pretty easy to guess 03:51:28 kewl on the mclaren! 03:51:43 hi, GabeW. 03:51:46 hi 03:51:52 i'm actually shoving off 03:52:00 well, shove all you like. 03:52:02 a mclaren would be nice to have 03:52:11 * sbp got to see an F50, a McL F1, and an F40 03:52:12 they are a million bucks a pop last time I checked ;-) 03:52:42 that's too bad, i'm really curious about ttsw 03:52:43 actually, I'd like a Type 35 too 03:53:00 Ah, at least I know what it stands for. 03:53:19 -- 03:53:21 Top Ten TV Shows 03:53:22 I suppose it's obvious what the number one choice is, but I actually watch a lot of TV (tut, tut) and so I like a broad range of shows (well, these are all comedies - but you know what I mean). 03:53:23 1. The Simpsons 03:53:23 2. Fawlty Towers 03:53:23 3. Frasier 03:53:23 4. Friends 03:53:25 5. The Fast Show 03:53:27 6. South Park 03:53:29 7. Newsradio 03:53:31 8. Cheers 03:53:33 9. Bottom 03:53:35 10. The Young Ones 03:53:37 Top Philisophical Books 03:53:40 This really is a matter of opinion, and so as I don't offend too many people, I haven't specified this as a numerical list (except The Bible is definately number one)...although you can take it as being a numerical list if you wish... 03:53:43 * The Bible 03:53:45 * Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu 03:53:47 * I Ching 03:53:49 * The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy - Douglas Adams 03:53:51 * The Tao Of Physics - Fritjof Capra 03:53:53 * Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency - Douglas Adams 03:53:55 * Sepher Yetzirah (Book Of Formation) 03:53:57 * Chuang Tzu - Chuang Tzu 03:53:59 * The Art Of War - T'sun Tzu 03:54:01 * Parzival - Wolfram Von Eschenbach 03:54:03 -- 03:54:13 now those are some kick-ass books 03:54:29 but man, is it hard to choose 03:54:34 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:54:38 See, the archiver pays off. the 4GB were worth it 03:54:59 aargh, smg.jpg didn't download 03:55:31 I'm really not sure that the shows are an ol either... as I say, my opinions are rather flexible 03:55:46 * sbp will one day just erase infomesh.net to spite Aaron 03:55:59 tell me the password firs 03:56:06 heh, so the problem is, every time you just go randomly spewing information, you're probably killing it 03:56:07 heh, as if 03:56:18 i'm killing it? 03:56:20 * sbp isn't going to be making that mistake twice :-) 03:56:38 Too bad plane tickets are so expensive. I'll have to find another way of making you talk. 03:56:43 and it's not as if I told you it the first time... I accidentally clicked on one of my bookmarks! 03:56:45 heh, heh 03:56:58 You accidentally clicked? I *purposely* clicked! 03:57:23 ah. so you stole it. fair enough :-) 03:57:48 I think stealing may be the wrong word here. 03:57:49 * sbp taps logster - "testing, testing!" 03:58:33 logster, hello 03:59:00 well, I often wonder what would happen if my hard drive just went 03:59:15 I think that I have a lot of good stuff at infomesh, but perhaps I should backup some more 03:59:21 you should. 03:59:22 You should get Eastgate to publish it on CD-ROM first. 03:59:28 and I have stuff on CD... but you always have to wonder 03:59:30 heh 03:59:32 Er, before it went that is. 03:59:43 infomesh is good too, especially if you send me a copy of the password. 03:59:46 before what went? 03:59:48 My email address is me@aaronsw.com 03:59:53 before your hard drive went. 04:00:01 testing! testing! spambots! 04:00:19 (don't even bother - he has... SpamAssasin!) 04:00:20 Not like it's anything they don't already know. 04:00:24 (exactly!) 04:00:36 if you email me, be sure to email junk@swartzfam.com 04:00:39 so that I know it's spam. 04:00:41 heh, heh 04:00:59 It hashes the mail it receives and puts them on a spamlist for me. 04:01:08 neat 04:01:20 and anyone else, via vipul's razor 04:01:33 .time 04:01:34 2002/04/29 04:01:33.2363 Universal 04:01:53 Hm, I don't think I've read the historical note on http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI before. Odd. 04:01:59 TimBL's historical notes are awesome. 04:02:02 xena should be able to predict what people are about to ask 04:02:36 indeed: now that's thinking ahead... 04:03:00 ah, here's the other one. bottom of http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/PersistentDomains 04:03:37 heh: "Time-Microsoft-Murdock" 04:04:44 .google "Chaos and Fortune:Civilization from the Robber Barons to Domain Sharks" 04:04:45 "Chaos and Fortune:Civilization from the Robber Barons to Domain Sharks": http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader%244852%3Fmode%3Dday&e=921 04:05:05 Heh. 04:06:18 is it just me, or is that URI totally borked? 04:06:32 it's borked. you want: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$4852 04:06:35 (xena bug) 04:07:03 All roads lead to Aaron, or Swhack, or what have you 04:08:37 Hm, I wonder if I should mail TimBL with the WWW small world link so he can update http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Fractal 04:09:11 oh, interesting, that's the doc orasis found 04:10:14 Fractal web is pretty interesting, I used to think that's what TimBL should do after he finished the Web 04:10:39 finished?! 04:11:11 yeah, like when it was done he could retire and talk about fractal societies 04:11:23 maybe found a not-for-profit, the usual 04:12:46 what a neat homepage graphic: http://cs.anu.edu.au/people/bdm/moebius_31b.gif 04:14:36 funny, I've seen that before 04:14:47 with the dude's head on it? 04:17:03 ah. perhaps not 04:19:26 heh, Chinese Water Torture, Aaron style:- 04:19:35 drip [sound of data being deleted] 04:19:41 aaargh 04:19:46 stop! stop! 04:19:52 Ooh, Moby Dick knows all: http://cs.anu.edu.au/people/bdm/dilugim/wtc 04:20:54 xena has quit ("local keyboard interrupt") 04:21:02 heh 04:21:06 what's up with xena? 04:21:28 oops 04:21:34 * AaronSw looks sheepish 04:21:38 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 04:22:29 tut, tut 04:23:05 Art? 04:23:19 there was a Perl ASCII art thing somewhere... 04:23:53 aha: http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1334/samtpjoneliners/one-liners05.html 04:24:20 art from Perl 04:25:28 hmm: http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm 04:27:06 interesting 04:27:33 so many weird articles on the events... 04:32:29 heh: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/priority-interrupt.html 04:33:46 heh, I like their definition of program: "1. A magic spell cast over a computer allowing it to turn one's input into error messages." 04:34:44 and programming is: "2. A pastime similar to banging one's head against a wall, but with fewer opportunities for reward." 04:36:45 heh, heh 04:36:49 those hackers 04:44:28 ESR: "Python's relationship with Perl is rather like the BSD community's relationship to Linux - it's the smaller party in a (usually friendly) rivalry, but the average quality of its developers is generally conceded to be rather higher than in the larger community it competes with." 04:44:44 That's fairly true. 04:45:07 Hm, it's pronounced khwee'do. 04:45:09 nice quote 04:45:26 you could have set it as the topic had it not been so long. perhaps you can hash it 04:45:48 I had a better topic, let me see if I can remember it.. 04:45:58 Gotta run 04:46:22 Sleep well, sbp. 04:46:31 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Windows to Mac to Mac OS X to UNIX to Linux to BSD to OpenBSD 04:46:35 c'ya 04:47:14 as C to Perl to Python to Lisp to Arc 04:47:29 Oh, I should throw in Common Lisp and Scheme 04:48:46 I have always eagerly awaited the day of computer measurements in zetta- or yotta-. 04:54:46 nails in the worse-is-better coffin: http://reason.com/9606/Fe.QWERTY.shtml 04:54:48 @ http://reason.com/9606/Fe.QWERTY.shtml 04:55:21 D: http://reason.com/9606/Fe.QWERTY.shtml from AaronSw 04:55:29 D:|Typing Errors 04:55:39 D::Nails in the first-mover-advantage and worse-is-better coffin. 04:55:45 titled item D 04:56:02 commented item D 04:58:34 cya from home guys 04:58:44 c'ya 04:58:56 Heh. BBC: "Many people think of hacking as a sedentary pursuit, carried out in bedrooms and back rooms all over the world. Often it is, but the growing popularity of wireless networks is making some curious folk leave their bedrooms and venture out into the fresh air." 04:59:10 Wireless networks: giving hackers a reason to go outside 04:59:40 they mean crackers, of course 04:59:43 * jillzilla laughs. 04:59:52 The world is a beautiful place. 05:03:47 Ooh, the Colloquia are back up: http://aduni.org/colloquia/ 05:04:08 heh! "What to do when the Teacher is an Ignoramus or a Liar: Learning from Queries even when the Answers to the Queries are Wrong" 05:15:13 * AaronSw starts downloading dynlang-wizards-10may01.mov and heads to sleep 05:15:15 Night. 05:16:41 night 06:08:23 JILLZILLA 06:09:23 ASH 06:10:34 How are you doing tonight? 06:12:30 augh. 06:12:37 I just worked for several hours on the wrong set of machines. 06:12:44 * jillzilla kills everyone. 06:16:05 No, don't kill me! 06:16:07 Please! 06:16:13 Kill google only (or tokyo) 06:16:45 ROWR! 06:16:51 I want to know why mozilla is SUCH A PIECE OF CRAP 06:16:55 it keeps lsoing my settings. 06:16:58 s/lsoing/losing/ 06:18:23 * jillzilla stomps mozilla. 06:19:24 I'm going to buy a netware 6 administrator's guide tomorrow. 06:19:26 Rawr. 07:14:25 syn|ack_ (~synack@210-86-62-198.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) has joined #swhack 07:14:29 hi folks 07:16:42 hey, synack. 07:17:16 hiya jillzilla 07:18:02 how's things? 07:18:34 great - just bought a new monitor - it's massive :) 07:18:43 looks good? 07:18:44 and how about yourself? 07:19:02 yes, was using a 15" now got a 19". Such a massive difference 07:19:28 Yes! 07:19:45 I'm doing the most unpleasant work I do. :-( 07:19:52 But it's only for a couple more days. 07:20:05 which is that? 07:20:21 I have to sort through a lot of machines and determine which have developed bad hardware. 07:20:40 It can be automated, and I'm gradually automating it. 07:20:40 ugg - that sounds tedious to say the least.... 07:20:45 Yes. 07:22:32 how do you automate for bad hardware? 07:23:11 I have ways of checking for it. I can automate the checking. 07:24:09 * syn|ack_ is intrigued by devious ways 07:24:14 :) 07:24:17 hehehehe. 07:24:34 I run hdparm -t to check disk speed. 07:24:41 disks that are extremely slow are likely to be about to die. 07:24:51 gotcha 07:26:06 HDPARM -T!!! 07:26:12 check for tree files 07:26:14 jill 07:27:17 I check for things in /var/log/messages that might indicate memory or cpu problems. 07:27:23 (e.g. Kernel Oops) 07:27:39 I reboot all of the machines and make sure they come back. 07:27:43 simple stuff, but tedious. 08:09:39 AaronSw has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 08:18:30 sbp has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 08:26:03 walloper has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 08:26:04 loggy has quit (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 08:41:59 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:38:18 syn|ack_ has quit ("[x]chat") 12:25:07 SamannthaBrooke (~BDGHLANX@178.160.30.61.isp.tfn.net.tw) has joined #swhack 12:25:14 8,4 Site Fixed and UPDATED 23/04 - Add 21 Full Movies ( 16.4 GB ) - XXX MOVIES - Like hardcore sex movies? 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Thanks. 12:49:57 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 13:15:09 davb has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: davb_foo!~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com))) 13:15:22 davb_ (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack 13:15:38 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack 13:20:28 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 13:21:20 wha? 13:23:52 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 13:23:59 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 13:24:00 * loggy is logging 13:24:12 davb_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) 13:27:53 oooh, new macs! 13:28:57 i wonder what the occasion is 13:29:53 *droool* 13:38:17 Jill was telling you that *I* used to be an Ayn Randian? Heh. 13:42:05 THX-1138 is now known as Ash_ 13:45:03 Oh, my movie is done downloading. 13:45:12 "We're so glad to have all these panelists here today." [panelists look *totally* bored] 13:46:35 I had classed Objectivism in the same mental category as Co$. 13:47:50 It's still there, though. ;) 13:48:42 Hm, Paul Graham looks younger than he sounds. 13:51:22 PG: "Just for once, language designers should try to design a language for people smarter than them!" 13:51:31 He's been workign on this for a while, it seems. 14:05:11 * Morbus awakens. 14:13:51 Ooh, pringles can on the cover of the tribune biztech section 14:17:48 Maeden: "this 'a', he's sort of a tortured a, maybe he's an a but he's not really an a. 14:17:49 " 14:26:26 Maeda: "Programming is boring.... but think if it was easier, you'd have the Paperclip guy in codewarrior. 'I see you're making a compiler!'" 14:26:57 bwahaha 14:27:08 "i see you're making yet another templating system!" 14:31:42 morning AaronSw. two things: 14:31:47 Gotta run 14:31:47 a) heard anything two from p2pq? 14:31:52 b) played with ZOE? 14:31:52 a: no 14:32:03 b: not really 14:32:06