IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-27

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topic is: <AaronSw> Web Services craziness is in the air. It's making me sick.
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Users on #swhack: logster +loggy deltab +walloper deus_x oierw redmonk quasi THX-1138 jillzilla +xena sbp syn|ack Ash danbri eikeon +chumpy
00:14:03 [sbp]
Hmm... if IDLE uses Courier New on Windows, home come it can display good Unicode glyphs?
00:14:30 [AaronSw]
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We've just shut down a main rotation server provided by one of our corporate sponsors, which was experiencing severe packet loss. Please bear with us.
00:14:52 [sbp]
perhaps I should view all text files in IDLE :-)
00:15:54 [AaronSw]
well that sorta explains that
00:16:35 [sbp]
wow, it actually does a *really* good job with Unicode. I'm impressed
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00:17:47 [sbp]
Aaron, try `python -c "print u'\u201Cblargh\u203D\u201D'.encode('utf-8')"`
00:18:04 [AaronSw]
³blargh?²
00:18:24 [sbp]
heh, transmitting it over IRC doesn't tell me much :-)
00:18:37 [sbp]
did you get glyphs for smart quotes and an interrobang?
00:18:42 [AaronSw]
I get lquo blargh questionmark rquo
00:18:53 [sbp]
Hmm... close
00:18:56 [AaronSw]
no interrobang
00:19:10 [sbp]
IDLE on Windows displays the interrobang in all its glory! and some other funky Unicode characters too
00:21:28 [sbp]
it seems to be able to sniff for UTF-8, too
00:22:32 [deltab]
works for me with and without UTF-8 in W2K
00:22:42 [deltab]
interrobang shows up
00:22:57 [sbp]
wow. the more I play with it, the more impressed I become
00:27:23 [AaronSw]
EOW
00:27:46 [sbp]
c'ya
00:28:06 [AaronSw]
ta
00:29:10 [jillzilla]
who is leaving? sbp or AaronSw?
00:31:29 [sbp]
Mr. Swartz, of course
00:31:40 [sbp]
EOW
00:31:51 [jillzilla]
end of...?
00:31:55 [jillzilla]
END OF WORLD!
00:31:57 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla ducks.
00:31:58 [sbp]
Week
00:32:02 [jillzilla]
Oh.
00:32:03 [jillzilla]
Week.
00:32:07 [jillzilla]
That's different.
00:32:15 [sbp]
absolutely
00:34:03 [jillzilla]
http://www.sffs.org/fest02/titleDetail.asp?title_id=55
00:34:06 [jillzilla]
I'm going to see that.
00:34:06 [sbp]
Hmm... how does one go about creating a unicode character from a hex string (or the dec int) in Python?
00:34:18 [deltab]
unichr
00:34:33 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla wonders if this means she can see the interrobang of fable and legend.
00:34:46 [sbp]
cool. when?
00:34:50 [jillzilla]
Sunday.
00:35:24 [sbp]
deltab: thanks!
00:36:07 [sbp]
deltab: ending your woe in six characters or less, or your money back
00:41:34 [sbp]
now Python makes a good makeshift Unicode editor (although learning UniPad is probably a better idea... but I think the lisence expires on it, or something)
00:41:38 [sbp]
.google UniPad
00:41:38 [xena]
UniPad: http://www.unipad.org/main
00:41:58 [sbp]
ah, my mistake: "Version 0.98b is FREE and available for download. Version 1.0 will be FREE for non-commercial use and evaluation purposes."
00:56:44 [jillzilla]
http://daisyman.arsware.org/dms/
00:57:06 [jillzilla]
Setting up your computer to do the right thing on the event of your death.
00:59:24 [danbri]
interesting; depressing, but interesting. I've wondered about doing something like this...
01:04:00 [jillzilla]
I've wondered how my online friends would find out if I suddenly died.
01:04:27 [jillzilla]
When I had emergency surgery last year, I sent email to one person telling him I was going to the emergency room, so at least _someone_ would know.
01:04:35 [jillzilla]
if I never came back, that was.
01:05:35 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla remembers chatting with danbri when drug-addled after that surgery. :-)
01:06:03 [danbri]
* danbri wonders who was drug addled :)
01:06:12 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla now wonders if it was mutual.
01:06:28 [danbri]
I wonder too. I keep forgetting url of your weblog...
01:06:43 [jillzilla]
livejournal.com/~jillzilla. I haven't updated it in a hundred years.
01:06:51 [danbri]
"Oh, I seem to have died." unlikely weblog entry...
01:07:06 [jillzilla]
but it would successfully get the word out.l
01:07:35 [danbri]
february -- that's not bad. I've barely touched my so called home page in ages...
01:07:37 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla remembers sitting with a friend who was part of an online community that lost a member to suicide.
01:07:51 [jillzilla]
I'm still writing up the story of going to Toronto. Hmmm, I should go do that.
01:09:26 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla polishes code instead.
01:10:25 [danbri]
what're you coding? work stuff or side-project?
01:12:37 [jillzilla]
work stuff.
01:13:07 [jillzilla]
My side projects are learning Mandarin and reading a small stack of books on AI and cognitive science. No coding.
01:13:17 [jillzilla]
Hmm, I should think up a cogsci project and code it in ruby.
01:13:34 [jillzilla]
Yeah, *that* will happen soon. :-)
01:14:37 [danbri]
ruby! rubyrubyrubyrubyruby :)
01:14:50 [danbri]
cogsci! cogscicogscicogscicogsci! :)
01:14:54 [danbri]
together at last...
01:14:55 [jillzilla]
:-)
01:14:57 [jillzilla]
Any suggestions?
01:15:11 [jillzilla]
I'd love to learn more about parsing and about NLP.
01:15:30 [jillzilla]
Well, parsing doesn't sound like much fun. But it's essential for NLP.
01:15:53 [danbri]
sure. biased towards my failed phd aspirations. make a neural net -based system based on genetic algorithms / evolutionary computing...
01:16:08 [sbp]
* sbp pricks his ears up
01:16:09 [jillzilla]
I have no idea how to begin on that.
01:16:14 [jillzilla]
I mean, NO idea.
01:16:15 [danbri]
I don't hold much hope for NLP; it need commonsense, which machines patently lack.
01:16:48 [danbri]
Nor did I. I tried doing it in Java on my 486 in 1995/6, before getting distracted by proper job and dumping phd.
01:17:04 [jillzilla]
proper jobs can do that.
01:17:10 [sbp]
NLP? in Java? on a 486?
01:17:14 [danbri]
Neural nets are a nice thing to have your head around, and the maths is simple enough I can (with modest effort) understand.
01:17:20 [danbri]
Neural nets, genetic algorithms.
01:17:22 [jillzilla]
I'm more hopeful about NLP than I was before working at Google.
01:17:36 [jillzilla]
Hmmm, I wonder if my ai book gives some hints about how to write neural nets.
01:17:44 [sbp]
ah. the combination of the three would have made your computer melt, I'm sure
01:17:53 [jillzilla]
I never took an AI class when I was at the university.
01:18:39 [danbri]
really? that makes sense. I read some papers on statistical discovery of linguistic structures ages ago that for some reason always remind me of google
01:19:11 [jillzilla]
I had no idea that computers could do some of the things they do at google.
01:19:22 [jillzilla]
It has given me new hope and renewed interest.
01:19:37 [danbri]
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucjtfmr/TICS/TICS.html and nearby (for some sense of nearby...)
01:20:11 [danbri]
and http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:7ZYkQdzNVv8C:www.psyc.bbk.ac.uk/staff/jl/pacificoffprint.ps.gz+nick+chater+usenet+corpus+neural&hl=en&ie=utf-8
01:20:17 [jillzilla]
eek. I also didn't take statistics. I really really need to remedy that.
01:20:28 [jillzilla]
It seems to be the mathematics most important to what I'm interested in.
01:20:33 [sbp]
unbalanced parentheses in the first paragraph. does make me want to read on... :-)
01:20:54 [jillzilla]
sbp: There, there.
01:21:08 [jillzilla]
Oh, help. Where is Warwick?
01:21:29 [danbri]
middle of england somewhere?
01:21:36 [jillzilla]
near what?
01:21:44 [danbri]
I've no idea :)
01:21:50 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla grins.
01:22:10 [danbri]
* danbri compiles the MOO server code
01:22:43 [danbri]
MOO's more fun than IRC, time to start migrating back to the 90s...
01:22:48 [Ash]
hi
01:22:55 [jillzilla]
I didn't resonate with muds or moos.
01:22:56 [Ash]
MUDs rule
01:22:57 [jillzilla]
hey, Ash.
01:23:08 [Ash]
Although IRC's syntax and features are much easier to understand.
01:23:10 [Ash]
Hi jill!
01:23:13 [Ash]
How are you this fine evening?
01:23:22 [jillzilla]
nice. You?
01:23:24 [sbp]
this is a rather interesting paper, actually
01:23:28 [danbri]
Muds/moos: I used to dip into them as an undergraduate. Revisited recently and found out how they work, how they can be built/extended by anyone who knows a bit of scripting...
01:23:58 [danbri]
IRC's less democratic in that sense. Runnign a bot is a hassle. MOO just puts you in an environment you can augment quite easily
01:24:29 [Ash]
I'm doing quite well. Just chilling out at home.
01:24:34 [sbp]
it still feels incredible to me that with living in such dark ages with respect to AI, and particularly psycology
01:24:36 [Ash]
I ate part of a giant steak
01:24:48 [danbri]
* danbri waves to Ash, wonders if we've irc-met (don't think so)
01:24:57 [Ash]
then I remembered why I hadn't eaten cows in a while
01:24:58 [danbri]
* danbri <- http://rdfweb.org/people/danbri/
01:25:03 [Ash]
danbri: I don't think so, actually!
01:25:16 [jillzilla]
Ash is a regular on #infoanarchy. danbri is an irregular there.
01:25:20 [Ash]
I don't have a cool homepage, but I seem to be constantly on IRC.
01:25:22 [Ash]
:-)
01:25:26 [danbri]
I lurk mostly there, don't know most folks
01:25:41 [danbri]
homepage: me neither, but i eventually got around to making a stopgap
01:27:55 [Ash]
ahh
01:28:03 [Ash]
Well excellent!
01:28:15 [Ash]
I'm Aaron, and I'm a sysadmin (which is why I'm on IRC all day)
01:28:19 [sbp]
@ http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucjtfmr/TICS/TICS.html
01:28:24 [Ash]
living in Salt Lake City, ut
01:28:36 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla suddenly feels like she's back at a sysadmins anonymous meeting.
01:28:43 [jillzilla]
You have to take your recovery one day at a time!
01:28:43 [sbp]
* sbp nudges chumpy
01:28:55 [chumpy]
A: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucjtfmr/TICS/TICS.html from sbp
01:29:01 [sbp]
A:|Probabilistic and Distributional Approaches to Language Acquisition
01:29:17 [chumpy]
titled item A
01:29:44 [Ash]
I need an a.s.r interface through irc
01:29:53 [sbp]
A::via. DanBri (thanks, DanBri)
01:30:06 [Ash]
* Ash wonders if danbri has any tree files
01:30:07 [Ash]
*g*
01:30:10 [chumpy]
commented item A
01:30:25 [danbri]
tree? don't think so
01:30:30 [danbri]
er, whats a tree file?
01:30:50 [danbri]
* danbri runs up moo server with the LiverpoolCore database on rdfweb.org 7777
01:31:10 [danbri]
feel free to nose around; I'll blank it down and make and RDFIG/SWHACK/etc playground at some point.
01:31:11 [sbp]
Ash: heh
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01:31:31 [sbp]
hey Ben
01:31:33 [BenSw]
Hello
01:31:52 [jillzilla]
Hello, Ben.
01:31:57 [jillzilla]
I don't think we've met before.
01:32:13 [BenSw]
know but i've heard about you
01:32:18 [jillzilla]
Oh?
01:33:04 [BenSw]
s/know/no
01:33:12 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla nods.
01:33:25 [BenSw]
you work at google right?
01:33:31 [jillzilla]
Indeed.
01:33:49 [danbri]
* danbri tries to pretend he's not impressed
01:34:19 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla blushes. I am just a script monkey who gets down in the mud with the crawl. I don't do the cool stuff.
01:34:37 [danbri]
(websites I use every day: w3.org, rdfweb.org, google.com, rdfig.xmlhack.com)
01:34:55 [danbri]
muddy monkey!
01:35:18 [jillzilla]
eep eep!
01:35:45 [BenSw]
.google ben swartz
01:35:46 [xena]
ben swartz: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/pygame-users/1058486
01:36:09 [BenSw]
wohoo at least it isn't that ben swartz guy at his desk
01:36:21 [danbri]
* danbri revisits muddy murky moo tutorial... http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~cph/MOO/mootutor1.txt
01:39:45 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla sends a coworker a polite objection to his code review.
01:40:06 [jillzilla]
My code is correct, and he's trying to get me to do it in a way that would make it not correct.
01:40:21 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla admires this coworker immensely.
01:40:52 [jillzilla]
But the fact is, I tested the SNOT out of this code.
01:41:17 [danbri]
* jillzilla is extremely sceptical of the S-W hypothesis.
01:41:24 [danbri]
* danbri reading back, saw this.
01:41:30 [danbri]
Which S-W hypothesis?
01:41:38 [jillzilla]
Sapir-Whorf.
01:41:51 [danbri]
phew, thought you meant semweb. should've skimmed further :)
01:42:03 [jillzilla]
hee. No, not semantic web. :-)
01:42:11 [jillzilla]
I am agnostic on that.
01:42:36 [danbri]
* danbri supports a weak sapir-whorf view...
01:42:56 [danbri]
lots of times I've found that the acquisition of terminology helped me think more clearly about something
01:43:17 [danbri]
the terms just being labels for the practice of making certain distinctions
01:44:42 [jillzilla]
Oh, yes, I agree with that.
01:45:14 [jillzilla]
But it is possible to apprehend distinctions without having different words for them.
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01:45:42 [danbri]
random past life fragment -- http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Philosophy/CTLL/report.txt -- THE CONSERVATION OF ENDANGERED LANGUAGES
01:45:49 [danbri]
I completely agree
01:46:36 [danbri]
* danbri thinks about being offline for a while
01:46:37 [syn|ack_]
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01:46:47 [syn|ack_]
afternoon folks
01:46:48 [jillzilla]
I think S-W is intuitively appealing because it fits our experiences -- as we learn about things, we learn or invent vocabulary for them, so it seems true that without words we cannot think.
01:46:58 [jillzilla]
Hello, syn|ack_.
01:47:06 [danbri]
heh, whenever I'm about to go to sleep, syn|ack pops up and says 'afternoon!' :)
01:47:14 [jillzilla]
This is a bit presumptuous of me, but would you mind terribly if I called you synack?
01:47:15 [syn|ack_]
danbri: :(
01:47:27 [danbri]
I'm sure we can think w/ out words...
01:47:32 [syn|ack_]
jillzilla: not at all
01:47:39 [danbri]
It's spooky, the timing...
01:47:39 [jillzilla]
very kind of you.
01:47:57 [syn|ack_]
danbri: i was just going to fire you off an email...
01:48:18 [syn|ack_]
jillzilla: :)
01:48:19 [danbri]
s|a, I looked at yr soap etc stuff, never figured out what to type to make it so I had records to play with. Didn't have time to try very hard though.
01:48:40 [jillzilla]
synack, danbri: Those of us for whom it is still Friday salute you.
01:48:48 [danbri]
* danbri wonders if jillzilla's followed the google/soap mini-fuss...
01:48:58 [jillzilla]
I'm aware of it.
01:49:03 [danbri]
I think it's still thursday wherever syn|ack is
01:49:12 [syn|ack_]
no, it's saturday
01:49:13 [jillzilla]
Oh, I thought synack was in NZ.
01:49:15 [syn|ack_]
1355
01:49:27 [syn|ack_]
yep, NZ is me
01:49:38 [danbri]
It kinda relates to the crawl, that's what made me wonder... crawlers send HTTP GET messages with abandon; HTTP POSTs at their own risk.
01:49:38 [jillzilla]
NZ gets all the days first!
01:49:52 [syn|ack_]
I've seen the future...
01:49:54 [danbri]
If the web dissapears behind HTTP POST and SOAP, Google's favourite dataset vanishes.
01:50:13 [syn|ack_]
danbri: that's a good point!
01:50:13 [danbri]
* danbri exaggerates clumsily for effect
01:50:34 [jillzilla]
If people disappear behind POST and SOAP, they will disappear from Google.
01:50:59 [danbri]
But Google dissapeared behind POST and SOAP... :)
01:51:11 [jillzilla]
disappeared?
01:51:18 [danbri]
being listed in Google is a big incentive to do the right thing...
01:51:24 [danbri]
well, the query api thing
01:51:39 [jillzilla]
This is an odd definition of "disappear".
01:52:09 [syn|ack_]
danbri: shall i still send you this email so you can read it after rest if you are tired, or care to chat a bit now?
01:52:16 [danbri]
more context: Syn|ack and I were talking about ideas for a next-gen Ruby Application Archive (CPAN-alike for Ruby code). And SOAP vs REST debate spread to Ruby lists...
01:52:24 [jillzilla]
What is REST?
01:52:58 [syn|ack_]
REpresentational State Transition is what it stands for...
01:53:00 [danbri]
We don't want RAA to dissapear from Google, for example, but SOAP tools are pretty handy sometimes. So might try to explore halfway-to-SOAP options... using HTTP GET etc.
01:53:06 [syn|ack_]
jillzilla: from what I can gather it's a philosophy
01:53:22 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is unenlightened.
01:53:25 [danbri]
its a slogan for the previously unarticualted design of the Web
01:53:38 [jillzilla]
What is the state that transitions to what?
01:53:43 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ tries to summarize
01:54:11 [syn|ack_]
its a way of organizing an application by resources (mostly nouns), not actions
01:54:31 [danbri]
when one does an HTTP GET, you're sending a message (including content/lang negotiation etc) asking some service for a representation of a resource. You don't get the thing itself, just a message back packaging up (w/ mimetype etc) some representation of it.
01:54:45 [danbri]
...idea behind content negotiation etc.
01:54:52 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ notes he gave a poor summary
01:55:00 [danbri]
http://internet.conveyor.com/RESTwiki/moin.cgi/FrontPage
01:55:11 [danbri]
[[
01:55:17 [danbri]
In particular, REST suggests that what the Web got right is having a small, global set of verbs (HttpMethods: GET, POST, PUT, DELETE, etc) applied to a potentially infinite set of nouns
01:55:17 [danbri]
]]
01:55:55 [syn|ack_]
also from what I gather, REST philosohpy is big on linking to other resources
01:56:05 [danbri]
...idea is that we stick with a few well known verbs / operations (so that for eg web crawlers know what they mean / do), instead of proliferating millions of HTTP methods / verbs / operations (or hiding similar behind HTTP POST)
01:56:05 [syn|ack_]
where as SOAP doesn't deal with that AFAIK
01:56:39 [danbri]
SOAP invocations are all XML docs sent via HTTP POST, where soap tools see a method such as getStockTickerGivenCompanyCode(MSFT).
01:57:08 [danbri]
The REST view is that safer to use HTTP GET on a uri such as http://example.com/stockinfo/getStockTickerGivenCompanyCode?MSFT
01:57:29 [danbri]
...since it doesn't undermine caching, linking, and other common infrastructure of the web
01:57:37 [danbri]
* danbri wonders if he's making any sense
01:57:43 [syn|ack_]
or...
01:57:57 [syn|ack_]
http://example.com/stockinfo/MSFT ?
01:58:01 [syn|ack_]
err
01:58:06 [syn|ack_]
http://example.com/stockinfo/ticker/MSFT ?
01:58:51 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ thinks
01:59:00 [syn|ack_]
http://example.com/stockinfo/ticker/company/MSFT ?
01:59:01 [danbri]
Anything in that vein, detail woudln't matter much except convinence of the service provider
01:59:30 [danbri]
I should go sleep. Do send me mail though! especially idiot-guide for getting RAA data via your scripts...
01:59:50 [syn|ack_]
danbri: hehe
01:59:58 [syn|ack_]
danbri: i'll write you email now
02:00:03 [syn|ack_]
danbri: sleep well
02:00:12 [danbri]
another example: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/raa-list.rhtml?name=RubyRDF
02:00:12 [syn|ack_]
cya @ breakfast :)
02:00:26 [danbri]
...gives human readable version of the RAA entry for my half-baked rdf ruby code
02:01:07 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla catches up.
02:01:09 [danbri]
...for machines, we could use same URI, but send 'accept: application/rdf+xml' or 'accept: application/soap-encoding+xml'
02:01:45 [syn|ack_]
clients could even negotiate their desired returned content
02:02:00 [danbri]
indeed, that's why I want the RAA data from your script :)
02:02:11 [Ash]
I think google should switch to using http GRABS
02:02:12 [danbri]
I have a version kinda from the other soap interface, but incomplete
02:02:19 [danbri]
grabs?
02:02:22 [syn|ack_]
which data are you interested in? I ran into soap issues last night that left me frustrated....
02:02:22 [Ash]
ehehe
02:02:28 [danbri]
all of it
02:02:29 [Ash]
.google tree files
02:02:30 [xena]
tree files: http://taxonomy.zoology.gla.ac.uk/rod/treeview/help/mega.html
02:02:37 [Ash]
.google neo85 tree files
02:02:38 [xena]
no results found.
02:02:39 [Ash]
:(
02:04:36 [danbri]
* danbri heads off; g'nite all
02:04:48 [syn|ack_]
night danbri
02:05:01 [syn|ack_]
meet'cha @ breakfast :)
02:05:04 [danbri]
* danbri still wonders if the rest ramblings above made sense to jill, might find out another time
02:05:12 [jillzilla]
Yes, danbri, they did.
02:05:21 [danbri]
breakfast's unpredictably timed aroudn here, but I'll be back tommorrow on'n'off
02:05:36 [danbri]
jill: :)
02:05:42 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla smiles.
02:07:49 [BenSw]
who else is awake here?
02:08:02 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla feigns sleep.
02:08:10 [jillzilla]
zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzz
02:08:30 [jillzilla]
Hey, synack, how did you get involved with this crew? What's your interest?
02:08:35 [BenSw]
nothing
02:09:01 [jillzilla]
And you, Ben, what are you most interested in?
02:09:01 [syn|ack_]
* syn|ack_ winks at jillzilla and wonders where to start :)
02:09:11 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla giggles at the wink.
02:10:38 [syn|ack_]
Not sure exactly how I ended up in here. Deltab answered a question i had in #vim (not relateing to VIM, but more relateing to REST I think it was). He mentioned this channel at that time
02:10:46 [jillzilla]
Aha.
02:11:22 [sbp]
heh
02:11:28 [syn|ack_]
I dabble a lot with Ruby and am trying to learn more about SOAP, REST and alternatives
02:11:32 [BenSw]
ah sbp your awake
02:11:36 [sbp]
deltab is the only reason to join this pitiful channel
02:11:49 [sbp]
I'm awake, and hacking on a Perl script
02:11:50 [jillzilla]
except sbp and Morbus, of course.
02:11:59 [sbp]
no. just deltab
02:12:30 [Ash]
oh man
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02:14:20 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla gets an urge to have a fascinating conversation with sbp.
02:16:30 [sbp]
* sbp gets an urge to reciprocate
02:17:09 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla contemplates this urge.
02:18:37 [sbp]
* sbp finds his Perl one-liner working, and wonders what on earth happened
02:19:22 [jillzilla]
llll is trying to get me to go to Amsterdam for Tuesday.
02:20:04 [sbp]
* sbp refrains from singing "Tuplips from Amsterdam"
02:20:11 [jillzilla]
sing! sing!
02:22:34 [sbp]
actually, I don't know the word
02:22:45 [sbp]
lineabove += 's'
02:23:33 [jillzilla]
hum! hum!
02:23:39 [sbp]
Hmm...
02:23:52 [sbp]
:-)
02:24:13 [sbp]
so, are we going to have that fascinating conversation?
02:24:30 [jillzilla]
I think we should.
02:24:44 [jillzilla]
Hmm.
02:24:55 [jillzilla]
I am reminded of a final exam I took once in film history.
02:25:09 [jillzilla]
We were given a list of something like 14 questions and told to answer, in essay form, three of them.
02:25:23 [jillzilla]
One of them was "Write a brilliant essay on cinema and time."
02:25:50 [sbp]
heh. I love "questions" like that
02:26:09 [jillzilla]
I am not usually so bold, but I picked that one and ended up writing about the unique possibilities of film as a potential medium for presenting models of subnuclear physicals processes.
02:26:30 [jillzilla]
University life is very silly.
02:26:55 [jillzilla]
er s/physicals/physical/, of course.
02:27:13 [sbp]
"just write something. about? cattle, magnetic sheep, foxtrot evolution, jumbo crosswords, multicolored t-shirts, arithmetical shortcuts on abacuses, anything! just make sure it's good"
02:28:14 [sbp]
subnuclear? heh. why not? I've watched many a good movie on quarks, gluons, neutrinos, bosons, photons, kaons, and whatnot
02:29:13 [jillzilla]
And remember, I only had about half an hour to conceive of and write this thing. I'm sure it was unimpressive, but fun.
02:29:30 [sbp]
O.K.
02:29:54 [sbp]
oll korrect, et ceteras -- ...
02:30:33 [jillzilla]
I don't believe the "oll korrect" theory for the etymology of OK.
02:30:46 [sbp]
well, it's true, so tough crap
02:31:17 [jillzilla]
Oh? What new evidence has been found? My reading has indicated that there were several ideas, none well verified.
02:31:18 [sbp]
heh. I've been reading "the many proofs of P", clearly
02:31:45 [sbp]
some guy did an enormous amount of research on the topic some decades ago, and ran a series of stunning and farily conclusive articles
02:32:04 [jillzilla]
Which are to be found...
02:32:39 [sbp]
ah: Allen Walker
02:32:56 [sbp]
to be found in editions of American Speech in the early '60s
02:33:05 [jillzilla]
My sources are from about 1987.
02:33:28 [sbp]
cf. http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_250 http://www.ling.ed.ac.uk/linguist/issues/4/4-694.html http://www.alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxokxxxx.html http://www.m-w.com/whist/ok.htm http://www.wordorigins.org/wordoro.htm http://www.urbanlegends.com/language/etymology/ok_etymology_of.html
02:34:47 [jillzilla]
The first one is the best explanation of the oll korrect theory I've read yet.
02:35:04 [sbp]
Walker Read, rather...
02:35:18 [sbp]
indeed. your sources should have done a bit of research
02:36:00 [sbp]
<jillzilla> touché (latin for...)
02:36:05 [sbp]
:-)
02:36:51 [jillzilla]
These are the first sources I've seen that didn't sound absurd.
02:39:38 [sbp]
Hmph @
02:39:42 [sbp]
.google $scalar
02:39:42 [xena]
$scalar: http://www.scalar.com/mw
02:39:53 [sbp]
.google @@
02:39:54 [xena]
no results found.
02:41:51 [sbp]
*chuckle*: http://www.m-w.com/whist/Europe1.gif
02:41:57 [sbp]
"How English came about"
02:42:20 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla laughs.
02:42:31 [jillzilla]
There should be a second arrow from Normandy.
02:42:48 [sbp]
heh, heh
02:42:57 [sbp]
it reminds me of the intro. to Dad's Army
02:43:03 [jillzilla]
Don't know it.
02:46:08 [sbp]
Wake up out there!
02:46:15 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is awake.
02:46:23 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is thirsty, and goes for water.
02:46:49 [sbp]
* sbp bets Google water tastes better than any other water in the world
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02:48:09 [Ash]
sbp: google water is laced with smart drugs and caffeine
02:48:14 [Ash]
plus "provigil"
02:48:32 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla sips....ahhh....
02:48:36 [jillzilla]
Ash: WHO TOLD?
02:48:40 [sbp]
* sbp finds http://www.invlogic.com/irc/ctcp.html#4.4
02:48:45 [jillzilla]
and what is "provigil"?
02:48:51 [sbp]
.google provigil
02:48:52 [xena]
provigil: http://www.provigil.com
02:48:53 [Ash]
jillzilla: I found it in alt.google.rumors
02:49:09 [Ash]
jillzilla: It's a drug that keeps you awake, but doesn't act like normal stimulants like caffeine.
02:49:14 [Ash]
Rather interesting really.
02:49:20 [sbp]
"PROVIGIL (modafinil) is a wakefulness-promoting agent for oral administration." - http://www.provigil.com/pi.htm
02:50:19 [sbp]
they mean "pep pill!"
02:50:27 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla wonders if lack of REM sleep could explain some of the things she sees.
02:50:46 [Ash]
jillzilla: I've wondered about long-term lack of sleep.
02:51:03 [Ash]
I used to do 3 days w/o sleep pretty regularly, but I haven't in years.
02:51:12 [Ash]
Never seemed to cause me any problems
02:51:22 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla has horrible problems from lack of sleep.
02:51:24 [sbp]
says TEH ASH
02:51:32 [Ash]
hey sbp!
02:51:33 [Ash]
oh
02:51:34 [Ash]
rotfl
02:51:35 [Ash]
;-)
02:51:38 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla starts crying at every little thing after three days or so with < 4 hours.
02:51:43 [Ash]
Oh.
02:51:46 [Ash]
REally? Dang
02:51:50 [jillzilla]
It's horrible.
02:51:58 [Ash]
I do quite well on 4 hours
02:52:21 [Ash]
The trick is to teach your self to fall asleep fast
02:52:21 [Ash]
heh
02:52:42 [jillzilla]
<Ash> I think I should go to sl...<WHAM>
02:52:47 [Ash]
So then if you lay down to take a nap for 30 mins, you're actually sleeping for 29.5 mins
02:52:53 [Ash]
jillzilla: Just ask my wife
02:52:57 [Ash]
it drives her nuts
02:53:02 [sbp]
*chuckle*
02:53:03 [jillzilla]
Heh.
02:53:12 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla remembers being challenged to a sleep race.
02:53:13 [Ash]
The moment I lay down intending to go to sleep, I conk out
02:53:14 [Ash]
hehehe
02:53:20 [sbp]
argh. I must stop this "*chuckle*" thing
02:53:25 [Ash]
sbp: *chuckle*
02:53:30 [jillzilla]
I like your *chuckles*.
02:53:34 [sbp]
they suck
02:53:43 [Ash]
sbp: Maybe you're in need of a change.
02:53:43 [jillzilla]
*chortle*
02:53:45 [Ash]
You could do
02:53:53 [Ash]
* sbp CHUCKLES!@!! AHAHAHAHA ROFFLE@!@!111
02:54:01 [sbp]
Morbus's "*sniff*" and "OooOh!" are things of legend, but "*chuckle*" just plain sucks
02:54:09 [Ash]
* Ash <3 ROFFLE
02:54:14 [jillzilla]
Yeah, Ash, you really captured sbp's style there.
02:54:27 [Ash]
s/CHUCKLES/CHUCKALZ@q$!!/
02:54:41 [sbp]
* sbp has a *style*?!
02:54:47 [Ash]
jillzilla: What can I say, I'm a master of creative literature.
02:54:58 [jillzilla]
Well, I was being sarcastic, but yes, sbp, you do have a style.
02:55:07 [Ash]
Man.
02:55:11 [sbp]
s/?!/\u203D/
02:55:20 [Ash]
it's been a while since I did something at work that a bunch of people thought was really cool that only took me 5 minutes.
02:55:20 [jillzilla]
interrobang!
02:55:26 [Ash]
It makes me look like I'm hard at work all day
02:55:29 [jillzilla]
Ash: You're losing your touch.
02:55:31 [Ash]
* Ash high fives himself
02:55:57 [Ash]
jillzilla: Well, most of the things I've been doing haven't been visible to my lusers, or have been extremely time consuming :-(
02:55:58 [sbp]
hey, have you guys read the Swhack FAQ yet?
02:56:05 [jillzilla]
No. Where?
02:56:09 [Ash]
Today on a whim I upgraded our web email system to some new release that came out.
02:56:10 [sbp]
you can't participate legally until you've read it
02:56:13 [Ash]
sbp: Does it mention tree files?
02:56:20 [Ash]
* Ash participates in #swhack illegally
02:56:22 [sbp]
http://infomesh.net/2002/swhackfaq/
02:56:23 [Ash]
bwahhahaa
02:56:24 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is part of the #swhack black market.
02:56:27 [sbp]
tree files: umm...
02:56:33 [Ash]
* Ash high fives JZ
02:56:53 [Ash]
Wow, this actually is faster than the previous release.
02:56:56 [Ash]
That's kinda cool.
02:57:07 [Ash]
I thought if I said something maybe people would just think it was faster.
02:57:08 [sbp]
no, really. If you're in any of the EU member countries, I can have you arrested
02:57:08 [Ash]
Hehehe.
02:57:12 [Ash]
sbp: HA
02:57:17 [Ash]
I've got you now, sbp
02:57:21 [Ash]
* Ash is a crazy american
02:58:25 [sbp]
ooh, I should add a notice to it: "Swhack: join it now. delt*b chats there!"
02:58:35 [jillzilla]
Uh-oh.
02:59:03 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla has seen Barry Manilow in concert.
02:59:10 [sbp]
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
02:59:27 [sbp]
* sbp makes a quick adjustment to his world-views
02:59:39 [jillzilla]
dude, it's not that lame.
02:59:50 [sbp]
heh, heh
03:00:45 [sbp]
the best bit is advice for people who have inadvertantly (or otherwise) borked a vital swhackbot
03:01:28 [jillzilla]
I love this FAQ.
03:01:41 [jillzilla]
Oh, and I really did see Barry Manilow in concert.
03:01:44 [jillzilla]
In 1979, I believe.
03:02:07 [Ash]
in a previous life, jillzilla was a Barry Manilow groupie
03:02:08 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla suddenly remembers that the channel is logged.
03:02:12 [jillzilla]
Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
03:02:15 [Ash]
BWAHAHAHAHA
03:02:19 [Ash]
* Ash submits the log site to google
03:02:27 [sbp]
love: thanks. I'll pass on your affectations
03:02:42 [jillzilla]
affectations...dear me.
03:02:49 [jillzilla]
And I thought I was so unaffected.
03:03:47 [Ash]
Hey, this says not to have a sticky caps lock
03:03:53 [Ash]
I CAN'T HELP IF MY KEYBOARD SUCKS OKAY?!@??@!
03:03:55 [Ash]
*g*
03:04:54 [sbp]
:-)
03:05:06 [Ash]
I can't shout at lilo? Aww man.
03:05:19 [Ash]
* Ash decides to act like he has never read this document
03:05:39 [jillzilla]
Next thing you know Ash will be fucking with someone's quote deely.
03:05:45 [Ash]
[[[
03:05:52 [sbp]
]]]
03:05:53 [sbp]
it simply advises you *not* to shout at lilo. doesn't stop you
03:05:55 [Ash]
heh heh
03:06:02 [Ash]
Ohh, okay.
03:06:09 [Ash]
I'm above the law anyway, so no worries.
03:06:28 [Ash]
I have such power that I can even make swiper stop swiping.
03:06:34 [Ash]
Swiper, no swiping!
03:06:39 [Ash]
<Swiper> Aww, man!
03:07:55 [Ash]
Hmm. So nobody else watches "Nick Jr.", huh?
03:08:01 [Ash]
:-(
03:11:50 [sbp]
nope
03:11:55 [sbp]
yer on yer own
03:18:03 [Ash]
doh
03:18:07 [Ash]
Hehehe.
03:21:44 [Ash]
.google Dora the explorer
03:21:44 [xena]
Dora the explorer: http://www.nickjr.com/grownups/home/shows/dora/dora_welcome.jhtml
03:21:46 [Ash]
.google Dora the explorer swiper
03:21:47 [xena]
Dora the explorer swiper: http://www.toylodge.com/100802.html
03:22:05 [Ash]
That's swiper
03:22:38 [davb]
* davb hopes Ash has kids
03:23:25 [sbp]
swiper: that's neat!
03:23:41 [Ash]
davb: Well, yeah.. I have a daughter.
03:23:48 [Ash]
We watch Dora on saturday sometimes.
03:23:50 [Ash]
Heh.
03:23:58 [Ash]
It's actually a quite well-made kids show
03:24:11 [davb]
I have seen it.
03:25:45 [davb]
:)
03:25:49 [Ash]
:)
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<MysticOne> Good morning, everyone! This is just a tad late, but I felt I should announce that the 26th of April (technically yesterday, OPN time), was jeremy's birthday! Join us in wishing him a belated happy birthday. He goes by the nick 'jeremy' ... Thanks! :)
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MysticOne, you suck
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<lilo> Hint: If you ever have to give anyone your NickServ password to perform a function, you are trying to do something Services was not meant to do.
07:20:08 [syn|ack_]
hehe
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hi
13:53:08 [hitman4ever]
AaronSw
13:53:09 [hitman4ever]
u there
13:53:10 [hitman4ever]
07?08¿
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* sbp waves
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16:31:20 [sbp]
heh, WTF?: http://markpasc.org/blog/2002/02/22.html#i70104PM
16:32:33 [sbp]
not quite sure what's he's on about, but at least I've been drawn from "et al." obscurity :-)
16:33:21 [danbri]
:)
16:34:49 [sbp]
hey there DanBri!
16:35:32 [sbp]
* sbp plays "Slidin' Delta", and wonders what out of the million item long TODO list he should do next
17:29:40 [sbp]
Gotta run
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19:00:28 [sbp]
* sbp waves
19:00:31 [sbp]
this place is so quiet on Saturdays
19:02:11 [jillium]
hello, sbp.
19:02:19 [sbp]
Hi there
19:02:32 [jillium]
I'm setting up a network for the espians.
19:02:46 [jillium]
A teeny weeny network, but a network.
19:02:48 [sbp]
heh; risky, isn't it?
19:02:53 [jillium]
risky?
19:03:17 [sbp]
well, I guess not
19:03:34 [jillium]
* jillium decides that she has embarked upon a Daring Adventure.
19:05:19 [sbp]
* sbp wonders what do do in the 50 minutes before Life Of Brian comes on
19:06:12 [sbp]
Hmm... I guess I'll tweak n3s to parse comments properly first
19:06:48 [jillium]
always look on the bright side of life....<whistle>
19:07:33 [sbp]
there, done
19:08:11 [sbp]
heh, heh. Someone let me borrow the best of the Monty Python songs once...
19:08:43 [jillium]
"sit on my faaaaaaaaace and show me that you love me!"
19:09:02 [sbp]
"I didn't want to be a barber at all..."
19:09:45 [jillium]
"on Wednesdays I go shopping, and have buttered scones for tea!"
19:10:55 [sbp]
"Half a bee, philosophically..."
19:11:37 [jillium]
You do realize that for a couple of generations now, Monty Python has been American geeks' primary window into the UK?
19:11:50 [sbp]
of course
19:11:55 [sbp]
Ni!
19:11:56 [jillium]
Just making sure.
19:12:05 [jillium]
A shrubbery!
19:12:16 [sbp]
Albatross!
19:12:25 [sbp]
it's Monty Python weekend on paramount...
19:12:32 [jillium]
with Sharp Pointy Teeth!
19:12:34 [jillium]
Dear me.
19:13:08 [jillium]
I recorded some interviews with the pythonistas from the radio last year, and gave the cassette to one of my British friends, who loved it.
19:13:15 [jillium]
Well, I lent it to him.
19:14:40 [sbp]
heh, "lent and didn't get it back". somewhere in the murky waters between "unintentionally gave" and "inadvertantly store"
19:14:44 [sbp]
s/store/stole/
19:15:04 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: This is an ex-parrot!!!
19:17:00 [sbp]
one Michael Palin's Hemingway adventure, he had to shop for some stuff at this store, and picked up a can of spam...
19:17:05 [jillium]
No, lent and did get back!
19:17:11 [sbp]
Palin: "spam, spam, spam, spam, spam!"
19:17:30 [sbp]
Palin: [to the clerk] "sorry... every time I sing that, I get some money"
19:18:14 [jillium]
hahahahaha
19:18:17 [sbp]
he could have reel-to-reeled it, and sent it back
19:18:28 [sbp]
like Hockney telling the guy to fax his art back
19:19:14 [jillium]
* jillium is too sleepy to follow this.
19:19:31 [sbp]
.time wherever Jill is
19:19:31 [xena]
error: Site Error occurred: KeyError
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.time PST
19:19:37 [xena]
Apr. 27, 2002 12:19 pm US/Pacific
19:19:47 [sbp]
afternoon blues, Jill?
19:20:47 [jillium]
late night.
19:20:54 [jillium]
sleeepy.
19:21:05 [jillium]
faintly wistful.
19:22:27 [sbp]
you ought to put on some music and make merriment
19:23:17 [jillium]
mmmm...merriment.
19:23:20 [jillium]
That sounds nice.
19:24:04 [sbp]
heh, I love these blues songs that have little bits of spoken commentary by the side
19:24:13 [jillium]
* jillium laughs. Some of them are great.
19:24:34 [sbp]
* sbp is listening to Mississippi John Hurt
19:26:36 [sbp]
* sbp listens to the Yardbirds, Shapes Of Things
19:31:01 [sbp]
"well I'm going to Ro'dale, take my rider by my side"
19:55:54 [sbp]
Gotta run
19:56:14 [jillium]
have a good life of brian.
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hello
20:04:38 [deltab]
hi
20:04:40 [jeremiah]
anyone alive in here
20:04:40 [jeremiah]
hey
20:04:48 [jeremiah]
how much do you know about infogami?
20:04:58 [deltab]
nothing at all
20:05:04 [jeremiah]
hmm ok
20:05:18 [deltab]
except that it has something to do with people here
20:05:20 [jeremiah]
yeah
20:05:26 [jeremiah]
well I thought it was an rdf storage thing
20:05:34 [jeremiah]
and I'm working on a project that'll use triples as it's database
20:05:37 [jeremiah]
so I figured, why not use infogami
20:05:54 [jeremiah]
especially since i'dl ike the project to run on plesh at some date
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* jeremiah is away: running
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20:31:43 [SethR]
anyone know a channel for mozilla?
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20:35:54 [sbp]
* sbp waves from a break
20:36:15 [sbp]
just up to the part where Brian's in the palace, and the two fronts have slaughtered each other
20:36:24 [sbp]
Gotta run
21:02:09 [jillium]
is deltab here?
21:06:33 [sbp]
he was about an hour ago
21:06:57 [sbp]
(it just got to: "now fuck off!")
21:07:38 [jillium]
hee.
21:07:45 [jillium]
Well, I'm off for lunch and a hub.
21:07:51 [sbp]
a what?
21:08:00 [jillium]
a hub. like for a network.
21:08:08 [jillium]
plug in many machines, that sort of thing.
21:08:12 [sbp]
you're having a hub?
21:08:28 [jillium]
very nasty with a garnish of cat-5 cables.
21:08:40 [jillium]
but one must do what one must do.
21:08:41 [sbp]
a... hub?
21:08:58 [jillium]
* jillium wonders if sbp is trying to make sense.
21:09:05 [sbp]
(hub?)
21:09:40 [sbp]
well, enjoy your lunch and hub
21:09:46 [sbp]
I'm off to watch the rest of the movie
21:31:54 [deltab]
sorry jillium, I was having dinner then look at and trying out the new exercising machine
21:32:04 [deltab]
^looking at
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morning guys'n dolls
23:05:16 [quasi]
morning? at 1:05AM ;)
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* sbp waves
23:22:19 [sbp]
mornin' all
23:22:23 [sbp]
Monty Python Live at the Hollywood Bowl was on too
23:22:58 [syn|ack_]
morn'n sbp
23:23:19 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: I didn't want to be a swhacker at all... I wanted to be: a lumberjack!
23:28:25 [sbp]
heh, WL (sorry: wl)'s making things important with lower case. Genius!
23:30:21 [sbp]
Hmm... 24 things? An all time record, I think
23:30:48 [sbp]
and only 5 bots
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23:34:05 [sbp]
trust Ash to fuck up the balance
23:36:06 [sbp]
and when's Morbus when you need some Perl advice? Pathetic
23:36:16 [sbp]
When was Morbus?
23:41:48 [bijan]
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23:42:16 [sbp]
Hey bijan
23:42:25 [bijan]
Hey!
23:42:48 [bijan]
Draft google argument: http://monkeyfist.com/articles/815/plain
23:43:02 [sbp]
* sbp is glad that we're back at the two dozen
23:43:11 [sbp]
* sbp reads it
23:43:13 [bijan]
But they're mostly bots :)
23:43:29 [bijan]
(Tis unproofed)
23:45:25 [sbp]
s/debate thing/debate think/
23:45:42 [sbp]
there are precisely 5 bots and 19-quasi humans on swhack
23:46:13 [sbp]
heh: "A Web of 2 billion plus pages that we had to wade through with AltaVista would sort of suck"
23:46:36 [bijan]
:)
23:46:53 [sbp]
s/presense/presence/
23:47:56 [sbp]
heh, I love your Google stemmed derivatives
23:48:29 [bijan]
:)
23:49:18 [sbp]
interesting article. nice clear conclusion
23:49:39 [bijan]
merci.
23:52:22 [bijan]
All inspired by this Google SOAP silliness.
23:52:51 [bijan]
Though i'm afraid I still don't get all excited by 'Ah, graphs. Yum triples.'
23:53:40 [sbp]
heh. graphs have been around for a lnog time, so I'm told...
23:53:49 [syn|ack_]
Sssshhhh danbri is listening :)
23:53:50 [sbp]
well, and long time, anyway
23:53:59 [jillium]
* jillium wanders in.
23:54:00 [sbp]
argh
23:54:06 [sbp]
s/nd//
23:54:31 [bijan]
Er...peanuts have been around for a long time.
23:54:48 [sbp]
aah, good old Snoopy
23:54:54 [bijan]
But "Peanuts as the basis of the Semantic web" doens't wake me up in the morning.
23:55:34 [jillium]
Your paper looks interesting, bijan. I think I'll be able to read it after I get my new networking equipment set up.
23:55:48 [bijan]
Cool.
23:55:51 [sbp]
you need a more up-to-date alarm clock, my friend. All the best ones have em saying "Peanuts are the basis of the Semantic Web! Not vegemite!"
23:56:14 [bijan]
zzzzzzzzzz
23:56:17 [bijan]
Wha...?
23:56:55 [bijan]
it's interesting, the whole google/soap flap has actually done a fair bit to stimulate SW interest.
23:57:07 [bijan]
Or, at least, get a few critics to reconsider.
23:57:34 [bijan]
And a few others (Simon St. Laurent) to at least say, "Well, unlike Web Services, we can safely ignore it as it doesn't soil the web."
23:57:45 [sbp]
*cough* http://www.petitiononline.com/httpgoog/ *cough*
23:57:53 [bijan]
Already did it.
23:58:04 [syn|ack_]
bijan: thank you - cleared up some problems i had understanding the general term 'semeantic web'
23:58:15 [bijan]
oh good!
23:58:18 [deltab]
sbp: broken HTML there :-)
23:58:22 [sbp]
there are still c.21 swhack members that haven't :-)
23:58:34 [sbp]
(the bots should sign up to)
23:58:52 [bijan]
In fact, I'm sig 20
23:59:19 [bijan]
76 sigs is pathetic.
23:59:19 [sbp]
well, most HTML is broken. HTML itself is broken...