00:00:03 but i like my tee. 00:00:05 full instructions are available from my good friend Ash 00:00:10 * sbp points Ashwards 00:00:22 wtf? 00:00:27 no comments yet on my article. 00:00:27 this sucks. 00:00:31 00:01:02 I'd comment, but I'll bet you have to log in 00:01:31 yeah, you do. 00:01:45 smeg that, then 00:01:46 syn|ack has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:02:54 grimple grample smippity smample clunking fiddly hi. hello Mr. Morbus Iff primple dample fly 00:03:30 so anyway, do you know how many hits your articles get? 00:03:38 do they keep you up to date? 00:03:55 can you hack into their servers and go through their logs (and remove their tree files)? 00:04:10 * Ash emails the ORA web admin and reminds him to remove tree files 00:04:16 find / -unlink & the tree files 00:04:25 they don't give me stats, no, but I know that they've been on the "top 5 articles" for awhile. 00:10:43 ehehehe 00:10:50 sbp: i'm an abstract artist, what can I say. 00:10:56 lol 00:11:02 [OLM] 00:11:41 bwahahah 00:13:20 Morbus has quit (No route to host) 00:13:21 I don't believe in the pound sign 00:13:23 die loggy, die 00:13:45 that's alright then: it's a hash sign 00:13:49 Oh! 00:13:52 Alright then. 00:14:00 ASH DOESNOT KNOW WHAT TEH HASH SI!!?!! 00:14:03 * Ash tries to find the symbol for marijuana on his keyboard 00:14:56 it would look a bit silly otherwise 00:15:04 £ hey, that Morbus really sucks 00:15:10 £ yeah, you're telling me. Pff 00:15:36 I mean, you might as well just change the topic to "this channel sucks. go away" 00:19:08 MorbusIff is now known as morbus 00:19:08 morbus is now known as Morbus 00:19:11 NE 1 WANT TEH GREEN CARDZ?!?!?$?11 00:24:56 spam, spam, spam, spam, spam... 00:25:09 heh, everyone loves Python! 00:27:50 actually, Aaron and I did get the same bit of Python spam 00:27:58 .google Python spam 00:27:58 Python spam: http://www.ironworks.com/comedy/python/spam.htm 00:28:09 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:28:13 well i'm outta here guys 00:28:16 time to go home 00:28:16 WOO 00:28:34 Ash is now known as Ash-w 00:29:31 Ash-w? 00:29:53 I know what it means, but how are we to pronounce it? 00:29:55 Ashoo? 00:30:08 it's the House of Ashoo! 00:31:09 perhaps not 00:35:13 Ash-work 00:35:14 duh 00:35:16 * Ash-w shoots sbp 00:35:16 ehhe 00:35:20 I'm not quite gone yet. Urgh. 00:35:26 Waiting to make sure this backup is going to work. 00:35:31 I think it is. 00:35:56 no. I know what it is. I want to know how to pronounce it 00:36:01 my backup server mounts all the filesystems with ncpmount and smbmount and then backs up the files from local mountpoints 00:36:04 Ash dash w 00:36:10 what good is a word that cannot be pronounced? 00:36:11 it's secret code 00:36:18 Ash, dash, double you! 00:38:24 elsewhere on OPN... 00:38:26 since prepositions are not words to end sentences with, I've been leaning towards up-cock, anyway 00:53:29 in the same channel with a really old topic... 00:53:31 alt.fucking-old.topic.change.remove.update 00:53:33 I just drive camels into the bargain! 01:08:43 Gnight to king prawn seven, mercutio! 01:09:07 shouldn't Aaron be back by around about now? 01:09:11 .time EST/CSTish 01:09:11 error: Site Error occurred: KeyError 01:09:15 .time EST 01:09:15 Apr. 23, 2002 9:09 pm US/Eastern 01:09:53 Mmmkay 01:12:28 that's what this channel needs! 01:12:42 an FAQ in alt.adjective.noun.verb.verb.speak 01:13:18 heh, heh. 01:14:18 and another logger 01:14:55 and another google bot that shifts the reverses the input. 01:15:13 yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaah! 01:15:31 hehehehehe. 01:15:41 get coding! 01:15:47 that'd be just like so nearly absol smegarrific, I jsut really... oh man, too much! it's just such a birlliant fabularistic concept. overload! error! the brilliancy of it... argh 01:16:01 heh, no it is a fairly good idea 01:16:12 but I'm not sure that I see the practical upside of it 01:16:20 can you outline a use-case scenario for me, please? 01:16:41 well, say you google for "cat fucking". 01:16:51 if a elgoog bot ran "fucking cat", you'd get different results 01:17:24 tack back? hard tack? egg pone? 01:17:31 but that's not really reversed 01:17:40 well, you've reversed the word order 01:17:51 but the character order! that's the sifgnificant thing 01:18:03 well, i fear reversing the charorder will bring back to many fostivies. 01:18:10 er, not founds. 01:18:20 ah, but they'll be logged on here 01:18:29 so all you ahve to do is delay the result by about a month 01:18:31 fositivies? 01:18:34 and then it will return a result 01:18:39 .google fositives 01:18:40 fositives: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-10-15.txt 01:18:44 deltab, i meant to say "fositives". 01:18:46 oh, man 01:18:46 false positives. 01:18:49 oh man, that rocks. 01:18:49 ahh 01:19:09 I would have understood fostivies 01:19:09 that's the date I coined it, I think 01:19:12 all roads lead to #swhack 01:19:13 aargh 01:19:21 heh, heh 01:19:24 19:50:15 1277 blocked this weekend, only 5 fositives. 01:19:41 hehehe 01:19:41 [[[ 01:19:41 19:50:28 i think i've made up a word: fositives. i've never heard that before. 01:19:43 19:51:09 hey, that's cool! 01:19:43 19:51:10 Hehe, I was just about to say that. 01:19:43 19:51:12 It's a good word. 01:19:43 19:51:30 we must evangelize fositives! 01:19:46 ]]] 01:19:49 we're doing pretty good ;) 01:19:49 wow. freaky. 01:19:50 whee! 01:19:53 19:53:05 He teases telemarketers and records it. 01:19:56 what about fegatives? 01:20:05 i'm talking *to* about a telemarketer in another channel 01:20:07 ooOh. fegatives. 01:20:09 false negatives? pish posh poppycock! 01:20:24 we don't not need no steenkin falsh negativse 01:20:36 heh, a trilogy of errors there 01:21:08 Dickensian biflopsy in the dromedary pine 01:21:18 All wrapped up with an apple in the wine 01:21:23 heh, heh 01:21:33 * sbp ^5's himself for such whimsy 01:22:00 we must stop using that apostrophie. what's it for? 01:22:41 and where'd the "i" come from? 01:24:26 syn|ack (~glova@203.97.69.21) has joined #swhack 01:24:31 howdy 01:24:40 howdiddy! 01:41:42 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 01:42:22 Hey Ash 01:42:36 wow, it's all about Ash, syn, and pixel lately 01:42:49 rawr 01:43:06 indeed 01:45:25 all about? 01:45:34 it's all about the benjamins baby 01:45:35 * Ash sings 01:46:11 I must say, reading over the activity in this channel is by far both the most amusing and most educational - interesting mix. 01:46:23 heh heh. 01:46:33 noooo! don't say that. you'll just endear us to you, and you really don't want tht 01:46:58 * syn|ack flirts with danger yet again... 01:47:12 these commercial pilots... don't know what they're saying sometimes 01:48:17 I left that all behind though...I've become reformed 01:48:27 heh, so I read :-) 01:48:39 commercial pilots? 01:48:47 sbp: so you read? 01:48:50 Oh, like J.ROBLO 01:48:56 he's a nutcase 01:49:37 I try to read as much as my motivation will enable 01:49:42 .google J. Roblo 01:49:43 J. Roblo: http://libweb.sfasu.edu/etrc/COLLECT/MANSCRPT/Taymain.htm 01:49:48 .google J. Roblo - nutcase 01:49:49 no results found. 01:49:59 Google disagrees with you, Ash. Not a good sign 01:50:53 hey 01:50:56 Google is full of lies, duh 01:50:59 look at this 01:51:04 .google david hasselhoff is god 01:51:05 david hasselhoff is god: http://www.esquilax.com/baywatch/domination.html 01:51:07 SEE?!? 01:51:08 ooh, there's a debate afoot! 01:51:10 LIES 01:51:12 heh! 01:51:34 but it's full of brilliant po-mo tidbits just like that 01:51:41 Well sure. 01:51:51 But J.Robb must be stopped 01:51:54 or shunned, or something. 01:51:58 He's completely insane. 01:52:40 ah, the Weblog community 01:53:14 family time 01:53:15 woo 01:53:22 Ash is now known as Ash-ft 01:53:26 chuckle: "What if every musician in the world had a weblog and could detail their experiences?" - http://jrobb.userland.com/2002/04/23.html#a1616 01:53:33 sbp: LOL 01:53:35 Ash is reading the Financial Times? wow 01:53:43 DUDE, I GOT SO STONED LAST NIGHT! 01:53:48 heh! 01:53:54 HEREA RE TEH PICTURAZ 01:53:59 ehehe 01:54:05 sbp: FT == FAMILY TIME 01:54:24 Call this an unfair generalization if you like, but musicians are a bunch of stoned hippies 01:54:40 Cartman: [in sleep] Hippies... hippies! 01:55:38 but no. go on. run off to your family and leave us here. we have feelings too, y'know! 01:55:57 * sbp had better do some real work or something similar 01:59:39 allowing tuples in function definition arguments is just so cool 02:00:36 smacks of strict typing a bit, though. Then again, I could do with that for this API... can't tell the difference between lists and stores sometimes 02:01:18 heh, well, I have: if str(t.__class__)[-5:] != 'Tuple': raise `t`+' is not an Tuple' 02:01:19 hack! 02:01:57 that is python, no? 02:02:03 yep 02:02:20 * sbp really shold compare types... Hmm... 02:08:40 .google N-Triples 02:08:41 N-Triples: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/ntriples 02:16:34 sbp: what's HTTP 301 mean for the error? 02:16:35 i forgot. 02:16:55 Moved Permanently 02:17:14 hmm. 02:17:14 k 02:24:49 Hmm... 02:24:53 python -c "import time as t, urllib as u; d = t.strftime('%Y-%m-%d', t.gmtime(t.time())); print u.urlopen('http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/%s.txt' % d).read()+'\n'+u.urlopen('http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/%s.txt' % d).read()" | sort 02:25:09 one liner for merging #rdfig and #swhack no matter what the date 02:34:28 holy crap! 02:34:28 i just got a cartoon/comic submission and the guy did really good 02:34:31 ooh! how many'd he get? 02:34:54 he submitted for all 20 and got 17 right. 02:34:57 i'm in awe. 02:36:44 Do you think he'll win? 02:36:47 i know this guy too. 02:36:51 well, not know him, know of him. 02:36:56 he was going to write for gamegrene.com for awhile.l 02:37:00 i think he'll win, yeah. 02:38:11 i'm... i'm still reeling. 02:38:13 this guy did damn good. 02:38:50 Your articles are the kind of things that you show to your girlfriend to get them in the mood 02:39:24 heh, heh. 02:39:32 well, my pre-Derrick articles, at least 02:40:43 spelunking is such a groovy word... 02:40:52 :) 02:41:34 but please... what's this all about?: Some ornament on the wall blinks and jumps off a badly painted cliff. 02:42:22 heh, heh 02:42:37 it does mean somehting :) 02:44:39 .google felix the cat clockl 02:44:40 no results found. 02:44:47 .google felix the cat clock 02:44:48 felix the cat clock: http://www.kit-cat.com 02:45:39 yup, thats the one. 02:46:03 why off-log, btw? 02:46:12 why what off-log? 02:46:20 because, fifty years from now, I want this big mystery around the inner meanings of the Morbo. 02:46:23 ;) 02:46:39 like some "paradise lost" of technology. 02:46:49 the thought that people might be reading these logs in fifty years time is a bit odd 02:46:55 surreal if you wheel 02:47:08 (hey, I had to fit it in somewhere) 02:47:15 yeah, well, that's alrihg.t 02:48:22 I must admit that the esoteric appeal of your Morbusisms would be tainted by revealing too much about them 02:48:31 oh fuck. 02:48:39 just like the "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" answer is obvious when you think about it 02:48:41 what? 02:48:44 flipping ICQ is spamming everyone saying its my birthday 02:48:51 goddamit 02:48:52 sbp: yeah, exactly! 02:48:54 ooh! 02:49:42 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:52:07 Hmm... it's still a day until your birthday. ICQ's getting the shots in now 02:52:09 oh, he's gone 02:52:11 probably to silence ICQ :-) 02:53:05 Morbus (morbus@s81.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 02:53:21 wb 02:53:48 so, the Iffsters birthday is coming up soon 02:54:07 and you thought you could keep it quiet! how dare you supress such whizzy information 02:54:14 thanks 02:54:35 yup. thursday. 02:54:37 heh, woah! 02:54:46 the back of my chair just kinda broke off 02:54:53 nearly fell off the damn thing 02:55:12 * sbp starts a fund for a new chair 02:56:59 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:59:08 Ash-ft is now known as Ash 02:59:16 """The coining of the words, speleology and speleologist seems to have been an attempt to legitimize what was a questionable exercise in the minds of most surface dwellers.""" - http://www.umsl.edu/~joellaws/ozark_caving/mss/spelunk.htm 02:59:24 heh 02:59:30 I need to get an Aeron 02:59:38 I saw them at Cosco.. it's insane 03:00:07 .google Aeron 03:00:07 Aeron: http://www.aeron.com 03:00:38 hey, I metnioed the aeron chairs in #4, i think 03:00:41 heh, heh. 03:01:17 ooh, the dot com deflaters? 03:01:22 .google "dot com deflating" 03:01:23 no results found. 03:01:25 yup 03:01:26 Even after getting that prime parking spot, and even after getting one of those deficit-inducing dotcom-deflating chairs, 03:01:35 .google "dotcom-deflating" 03:01:36 "dotcom-deflating": http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/08/apache_mac_5.html 03:01:39 YEAahahhh 03:01:44 whooooo! 03:01:53 ok! i'm selling google words in my next article. 03:01:54 03:02:01 Good morning everyone. We're going to be rearranging our hubbing just a little bit here... you may see a few big splits over the next few minutes, but this *is* a more or less planned event. So please bear with us. Thank you. 03:02:01 man, that was a good one 03:02:22 chuckle: "more or less planned" 03:02:39 you just have to equate "more or less" with "less" in that instance, don't you? 03:02:43 chuckle: "few big splits" 03:04:36 .time 03:04:36 2002/04/24 03:04:36.0242 Universal 03:04:40 .time BST 03:04:41 Apr. 24, 2002 4:04 am GMT+1 03:04:45 time not found! 03:05:17 heh, that was my "half a laugh, with sbp" segment 03:05:50 it's so foggy out! 03:06:13 Gotta run 03:06:16 heh heh 03:13:09 Okay, should be done for a while at least. Thanks again for your patience and understanding. 03:14:39 OOPZ@!#% WE MSUT DE-UPGRAED, U WILL LOES TEH CONNECTIAN@##%11 03:15:08 This is a wallops message, or as we affectionately refer to wallops as, WOPN. We broadcast all sorts of non-criticial, though still important, messages on this station, announce things we feel would be in the interest of the users on the network, and make attempts at humor. If you'd prefer not to listen to us here, simply /mode YourNick -w to change the station. Thank you! 03:35:23 Morbus has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03:36:46 JosephSpiros (joseph@67.211.124.153) has joined #swhack 03:36:49 JosephSpiros has left #swhack 04:28:29 hi 04:30:14 anyone here? 04:30:17 AaronSw|Boston is now known as AaronSw 04:34:38 hey, i value my sanity 04:36:48 happy for you 04:37:03 .time est 04:37:03 Apr. 24, 2002 12:37 am US/Eastern 04:38:58 are you going to visit us poor mortals at #openacs more often from now on? 04:43:38 NO YOU SUCK!!! 04:44:38 AaronSw: how was it? 04:45:01 It went pretty well. 04:45:46 great news 04:59:37 @ http://markBernstein.org/Apr0201.html#note_10931 05:00:15 A: http://markBernstein.org/Apr0201.html#note_10931 from AaronSw 05:00:20 A:|hypertext criticism in four easy steps 05:00:30 A::Mark and Diane are angry... 05:00:38 titled item A 05:00:55 commented item A 05:04:56 powazek: "I can't believe how lame the Simpsons have become. A half hour of repurposed clips ending with a taunting song about how they'll never go away? I'd rather see them all die in a cloud of bioluminescent shark hoo-ha than have to suffer through another season of aggressively bad, tauntingly stupid, Simpsons episodes." 05:05:05 - http://www.powazek.com/zoom/log/archive/00000391.shtml 05:08:21 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 05:09:33 This really sucks: 05:09:49 They renumbered 545 Tech Square to 200 Tech Square and put all these crazy doodahs on it 05:10:14 but to make things worse, they're going to kick everyone out and turn it into office space, moving folks into the William H. Gates building 05:10:18 bleeeeech! 05:10:32 They should save it as some sort of historic monument. 05:12:17 That reminds me: I found the floor the Chord guys were on today. So many famous people in that building. 05:14:01 on the William H. Gates building: might as well have a hitler center for international relations 05:29:16 cya guys from home 05:29:50 finished "The Sky Road" on the plane 05:32:50 <[deleted]> [W3C process] makes sausage and legislature look quite pristine by comparison 06:25:24 tansaku_xr (~sam@m150-250.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 06:39:15 SethR has quit () 06:42:57 kensaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:11:27 syn|ack_ (~synack@210-86-61-114.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) has joined #swhack 07:11:32 Hello again 08:30:48 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're going to need to do some major rehubbing atm, please bear with us. 08:33:07 syn|ack has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:43:44 [GlobalNotice] We experienced a loss of communication with the new rotation server being tested under load, about 400 users have, uh, momentarily been misplaced. We're about to move one main rotation server, so there should be a bit of noise, after which this should be finished. Thanks. 08:44:02 sbp has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:44:03 deltab has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:44:03 loggy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:44:03 chumpy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:44:03 eikeon has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:44:03 AaronSw has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:47:39 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 08:47:40 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 08:47:40 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 08:47:40 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 08:47:40 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 08:47:40 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 08:51:08 [GlobalNotice] Okay. The previously-announced routing changes have been made. Only one more remaining issue and users on that server will be notified. Thanks. 08:54:41 [GlobalNotice] And, finally, one more announcement. OPN is rather desperately in need of new main rotation servers. High bandwidth, good connectivity, low latency. If you think you can help, take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email us at support@openprojects.net . We really do need your help, it's a pretty critical juncture for us. Thanks. 08:56:42 loggy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:56:42 chumpy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:56:42 AaronSw has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:56:42 eikeon has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:56:42 deltab has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:56:42 sbp has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:56:50 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 08:56:50 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 08:56:50 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 08:56:50 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 08:56:50 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 08:56:50 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 08:57:35 syn|ack (~glova@203.97.69.21) has joined #swhack 09:00:36 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Please bear with us, a few more routing problems. 10:43:09 danbri (~danbri@pc-62-31-92-16-az.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #swhack 11:00:32 night all 11:00:34 syn|ack_ has quit ("[x]chat") 11:08:51 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're going to try one more time to do some rerouting before things get too busy. Please bear with us. 11:10:04 syn|ack has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:10:15 syn|ack (~glova@203.97.69.21) has joined #swhack 11:11:09 eikeon has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:11:09 AaronSw has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:11:09 chumpy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:11:09 loggy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:11:09 sbp has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:11:09 deltab has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:11:43 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 11:11:43 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 11:11:44 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 11:11:44 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 11:11:44 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 11:11:44 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 11:19:38 [GlobalNotice] Hi again all. We'll wait for this new configuration to stabilize, and if it looks good we should be finished rerouting. Thank you again for your patience, and apologies to Europe for this untimely, but needed, rerouting. 11:28:53 This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. These messages contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. To turn them off, turn off user mode 'w'. On most clients: '/mode -w'. Thanks. 11:29:23 I just restarted bopm 11:29:33 oops, sorry, wrong window 8) 11:30:30 recent rerouting seems to have produced a relatively stable situation....but I can't stress enough, we need more reliable servers on high-bandwidth, multihomed connections 11:30:50 hidden hubs use about 35Kbps at present, main rotation servers use about 100Kbps-200Kbps 11:31:38 the issue is not that we need T3-level bandwidth for our use, but we tend to look for T3 or better in main rotation servers and hidden hubs to get connectivity that is as reliable and low-latency as possible 11:35:21 Hubs use about 11 gigabytes per month (figured as straight powers of 10, not with powers of 2) 11:35:36 Main rotation servers use about 3-6 times that much 11:36:50 At any rate, probably the place to discuss this further would be #openprojects....thanks 11:41:31 pixel (~pixel@pcbhi266.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 12:13:06 tansaku_xr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:26:25 tansaku_xr (~sam@m150-250.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 12:27:45 This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. 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Thanks. 12:52:14 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 12:54:26 hi morbie. 12:57:59 hey pixie. 12:58:15 you know, i don't think you're on my foOfromi list. 12:58:19 so you wouldn't know. 12:58:28 anyways, apache part 6 came out yesterday :) 13:17:54 sbp: 13:17:54 [[[ 13:17:55 [09:17] So this is just random nonsense? ;-) 13:17:55 [09:17] heh, heh. depends who you ask ;) 13:17:55 [09:18] my writing has a cultish following :) 13:17:55 [09:18] Morbus++ # Carroll references in tech articles. 13:17:56 [09:18] yay! ;) 13:17:58 ]]] 13:18:05 from this guy: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2002/view/e_spkr/827 13:45:55 sbp has left #swhack 13:46:02 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 13:46:05 lol 13:46:09 RoyF: "Is there some W3C principle involved that every name should include 13:46:09 a meaningless and quickly inaccurate date? I've looked through the 13:46:09 process documents, but to no avail." 13:46:35 heh 13:46:37 * sbp waves 13:46:43 hey there sbp 13:47:53 hey sbp. 13:54:46 today may well be a day of surfing with no address bar 13:54:48 [[[ 13:54:48 Folks should be able to surf with the address bar turned off. 13:54:49 (Try it sometime... it's enlightening.) 13:54:54 ]]] - DanC, on www-tag 13:55:11 ctrl-l 13:55:14 is that cheating? 13:55:20 http://www.w3.org/2002/02/mid/1019484085.4818.440.camel@dirk 13:55:24 you bet yer ass 13:55:31 i regular make my bar really small so I can have the most screen real estate. 13:56:02 oh dear god 13:56:12 what? 13:56:13 it wasn't www-tag. Aaron! help! 13:56:21 mwahaha 14:03:21 aha: Aaron's original wasn't www-tag either. that's what threw me off 14:25:39 jjc: "I am expecting Aaron to at least abstain on the I18N URIs. (I am not sure why)." 14:25:47 I better figure out why I am abstaining fast... 14:25:59 heh 14:33:58 whatever happen to kmacleod? he's never here anymore. 14:34:14 he drops in as bitskp 14:34:17 err bitsko 14:35:28 does he really? i didn't know they were one and the same. 14:35:38 They are indeed. 14:35:40 huh. 14:35:46 .google bitsko 14:35:47 bitsko: http://monkeyfist.com/author/KenMacLeod&e=42 14:35:52 jeez. stevej, bitsko, elfur, i suck at names. 14:36:20 AaronSw: did i tell you about the decepticons? 14:36:29 which bit? 14:36:32 derrick thought it was a hoot, they're just trying to find a place to publish it. 14:36:42 "a place" 14:36:52 hey look, i found some empty space in the men's room 14:36:52 * pixel waves. 14:36:52 on OreillyNet 14:36:57 * Morbus moons 14:37:06 heh, awesome! 14:37:07 * pixel flashes 14:37:13 yeah, isn't it? 14:37:29 pixel hasn't read the decepticon article. heh. 14:37:46 which article is that? 14:38:03 unreleased. its called "how i learned to stop worrying and love to decepticons". 14:38:09 an editorial, really. 14:38:23 Decepticons, like transformers? 14:38:26 yeah :) 14:38:30 cool. 14:38:36 weirdest editorial i've ever seen 14:38:38 where's the article? 14:38:43 really? jeez, that's an honor. 14:38:54 i don't have it on this machine. anyone else have it locally? 14:39:16 see, IMAP would solve this problem 14:39:30 how do you figure? 14:39:32 you think? 14:39:43 i mean, there's no difference between me POPing it into my box here, or storing it on the IMAP server 14:40:01 you could just click on the "sent mail" folder 14:40:01 mindless attachments sending like i've done, I dont keep in my POP3 sent items. 14:40:23 yeah, i've sent the damn thing like 30 times, which is 30 blank bodies and 30 duplicate attachments. i don't keep stuff like that 14:40:33 i blame you 14:40:39 i blame my parents. 14:40:39 I have a whole drive for crap like that. 14:40:40 mst3k! 14:40:43 whoo. 14:41:06 hey - what's the URL for the chump log? 14:41:38 blogspace.com/swhack/weblog 14:41:52 thx 14:41:55 gotta run: school 14:42:02 GR: school 14:42:14 GRRRRRRR! school 14:42:20 works quite well 14:43:09 ah well. pixel. 14:43:16 ill send you an email when i get home. if i remeber. 14:46:20 cool. 14:52:51 .time 14:52:51 2002/04/24 14:52:50.4671 Universal 14:53:25 .TIEM!@#%! 14:54:35 :-) 14:54:35 .google neo85 14:54:36 neo85: http://adkwat.free.fr/zeclaf/index.php3?page=neo.php3 14:54:39 dammit 14:55:05 an idea for scoped variables: ?(formula)x, _:(formula)y 14:55:15 when the () is ommited, it's scoped to the root formula 14:57:24 Hmm... in N3, where the formulae are totally anonymous (no local names) it'd be hard 14:57:34 [[[ 14:57:35 [10:56] $partner wants me to regularly spam the channel with shameless promotion of our company. Just seems annoying to me. 14:57:35 [10:57] *** dystopia (dystopia@scholieren.com) has joined channel #apache 14:57:35 [10:57] wha?! 14:57:35 [10:57] my $deity, that man needs to be undef'd. 14:57:35 [10:57] wow. that was cheesy. 14:57:37 ]]] 14:57:43 you could have { _:(this)x _:(this)y _:(this)z } I suppose 14:57:54 heh 14:58:08 aha! now we know the channel 14:58:14 gasp! 15:04:18 Hmm... I need to work one some EARL test cases 15:04:21 ooh, suite == branch, id == lea 15:04:22 leaf 15:04:57 suite can probably be deprecated 15:05:57 Nice article, BTw morb. 15:06:33 thanks, pixel. i appreciate that. 15:06:43 link to it off your site. 15:06:49 i'm trying to get some daypop loving. 15:06:55 it took a few days before. 15:06:56 cool. 15:07:05 but i was up to 6 or 7. 15:10:27 too cool. 15:10:35 I've never made it on the list yet. 15:10:52 added you to my XML. 15:12:40 cool. 15:13:15 I can feel it being distributed to my MANY readers as we speak. ghehe 15:14:08 heheh 15:21:02 earl:id a daml:TransitiveProperty . works nicely 15:21:16 although I'm still not sure how to apply exclusions 15:21:21 I end up with stuff like:- 15:21:28 [[[ 15:21:29 [ rdf:object [ 15:21:29 earl:excludes :WCAG10; 15:21:29 earl:id :WCAG10, 15:21:29 :WCAG17, 15:21:34 :WCAGA ]; 15:21:34 rdf:predicate earl:passes; 15:21:34 rdf:subject :SomeDocument; 15:21:38 earl:assertedBy :Sean ]. 15:21:40 ]]] 15:25:38 SethR (~seth@12-230-243-179.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 15:27:25 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack 15:45:54 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:47:46 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 15:49:52 Mörbus! 15:50:20 well, that was absolutely dumb. 15:50:30 so i'm on windows 2000, and this flipping "winerlog " file gets created. 15:50:38 its supposed to be a bookmark, but instead its a 0 byte nothing. 15:50:47 i can't delete it from DOS, I can't delete it from Windows. 15:50:55 so I delete all my tree files, and then I can't boot the system. 15:51:03 so I reinstall everything, and try "del winer*". 15:51:05 and that works. 15:51:13 I *HAD* to use the metachar to get rid of it. 15:51:19 heh, heh 15:51:24 doing "del winerlog" didn't work. 15:51:27 flipping windows. 15:51:58 winerlog: try as you might, you can't get rid of it 15:52:23 its also related to the fact that you can't use ":" in a filename. 15:52:25 which makes very little sense. 15:54:04 * sbp wonders if del 'winerlog ' would have worked 15:54:13 nope. 15:54:16 file not found. 15:54:19 ugh 15:54:37 and deleting the tree files didn't work? 15:54:43 I even did "rm", and it had the audacity to say that "rm" didn't exist. 15:54:47 ;) 15:55:09 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 16:33:58 oh man, i want to go to sleep 16:34:09 Alas, no Irby at ETCON this year. :-( 16:38:08 AaronSw: you just need a job to sleep at :) 16:38:27 Yeah, us unemployed folk get no sleep. So unfair. 16:39:43 It's funny how many peoples W3C Patent Protests show up on the first page when you google for their name. 16:39:43 hey, you have school to sleep at 16:40:16 Yeah, but it was hardly long enough. 16:40:27 I've got terrible shoulder-aches from carrying my heavy backpack 16:40:29 oh well 16:40:47 perhaps you're carrying it awkwardly 16:41:10 Why do you say that? 16:41:20 (that "oh well" was @ "hardly long enough", not your intense physical suffering) 16:41:26 try carrying it on your head 16:42:01 I say that because I carried buttloads of really heavy stuff all the time to school and college, and didn't have any problems. Perhaps I was lucky, or it'll come out later 16:42:19 there was a time when I'd really trim down the load of my bag 16:42:26 but at other times... man, it was heavy 16:42:37 heh, plus the times when I'd carry my guitar and amp in 16:43:40 Well, it was really bad when I was in High School, carrying textbooks up four flights of stairs. But in colllege I really tried to empty my backpack. 16:44:34 They just hurt today because of the long airport lines while carrying: a laptop, camcorder, camera, .beats watch, charger for laptop, camcorder, camera, and a GNU mug plus a bunch of paper. 16:44:46 ugh 16:44:57 .beats watch? cool 16:45:13 yeah, i used to wear it on the time but it got too bulky 17:03:25 While I was in college I migrated to the don't buy any books, carry one pience of paper and write really small, borrow a pen technique. 17:11:58 AaronSw: if I can get SOAP working in AOLserver are you interested in building a sample RESTful api for google? 17:12:11 sure! 17:12:40 ok, i'll keep you updated. 17:16:30 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Just a reminder. OPN is running seriously short on major servers, both leaf nodes and hubs. We generally look for T3 or better, multihomed. Actual usage for hubs runs about 35Kbps (11GB/month or so) and for major leaf nodes, 3-6 times that amount. If you would like to help this community project by sponsoring a server, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml & email support@openprojects.net. Thanks! 17:29:55 Cool, thanks. 17:30:09 JanG is trying to tempt me to come back to Bristol: "The weather is absolutely _beautiful_." 17:32:50 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:34:43 the weather here is like a cat pissing on you. 17:42:43 heh, heh 17:52:13 mu2's down again 17:53:49 but xena's still going, isn't she? 17:54:00 .time 17:54:08 heh, nope 17:54:10 no, she's on mu2 17:55:24 xena has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:56:04 heh 17:56:05 deltab has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:56:31 pixel, you around? 17:56:54 this is cool: 17:57:00 http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/ links to 17:57:03 http://www.pipetree.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/dj 17:57:10 which talks about bookmrks and galeon's bookmark file. 17:57:14 that's odd shit. I was just there. 17:57:17 and about creating a "to read" box on the site. 17:57:23 this is his script: http://www.pipetree.com/~dj/galeon.pl 17:57:28 which looks like it works on an XBEL file. 17:57:40 so with synca, I can convert from NS/IE to xbel and then create that box. 17:58:07 its like a ten line script. 17:58:15 hmm. 17:58:30 I can add that to my site in like 5 minutes. 17:59:28 hm: Nebraska Researchers Measure the Extent of 'Link Rot' in Distance Education 17:59:40 that's a nice way to organize and administer data like that. hmmm. 17:59:41 pixel: try it out and let me know. 17:59:43 http://chronicle.com/free/2002/04/2002041001u.htm 18:00:18 nice little script. 18:02:38 argh. 18:02:43 how do you turn off DTD validation in XPATH? 18:04:00 that depends on the parser. 18:04:23 MSXML is : objXML.ValidateOnParse = Flase 18:04:35 what parser? 18:04:48 XML::XPath in Perl. 18:04:59 and it's validating? weiord. 18:06:49 I can't find anything in the documentation about validation. 18:07:23 same here. 18:07:26 i just remoed the doctype 18:07:37 I've been known to do that many times. 18:08:05 hmm. doesn't sem to be working 18:14:40 almost done. 18:15:50 ok. look at my website: http://www.perceive.net/ at the bottom fot he NAV is a section named "Coding/AI" is the Coding/AI folder from your bookmarks file. 18:16:14 gotta fix the galeon thing though, it puked out crap. I need it to puke out a XBEL chunk 18:16:40 my website is taking the XBEL chunk, and converting it to HTML with XSL. 18:17:18 argh, 18:17:22 anyone know XPath? 18:17:31 * pixel raises his hand. 18:17:44 using the XBEL file, what's the query I need to send? 18:17:53 obviously, the one in this script isn't working. 18:17:57 or are you using the XSL stuff? 18:18:03 folder[\@name='$toread']/site 18:18:23 i'm assuming that searches for .* but I need $toread ... all ... 18:19:12 you need: 18:19:14 or even, how about a folder that DOES NOT have a title? 18:19:18 that'd get my root bookmarks. 18:20:46 I don't think his file was an XBEL file. I think it was homebrew. 18:20:52 yeah, it's not. 18:20:58 not an xbel. 18:21:02 damn. trillian thought what I sent was a command. heheh 18:21:21 //folder/title[text() = '$toread']/bookmarks 18:22:58 hmm. didn't work. 18:23:12 hold on. 18:23:29 i'm whipping one up using syncasaurus code. 18:24:44 bitsko (~ken@kmacleod.static.iaxs.net) has joined #swhack 18:25:08 my parser is chugging on the file. hold on. 18:26:35 bitsko! 18:26:51 I think I have too many bookmarks. 18:29:33 got it. 18:29:35 [[[ 18:29:38 use lib './modules/'; 18:29:38 use Log::Simple; 18:29:38 use Bookmarks; 18:29:38 use Bookmarks::IE; 18:29:38 use Bookmarks::Mozilla; 18:29:40 use Bookmarks::XBEL; 18:29:42 18:29:45 my $string = load_bookmarks("/Documents and Settings/morbus/Application Data/Mozilla/Profiles/default/8zkr0zf1.slt/bookmarks.html"); 18:29:51 18:29:53 my $number_shown = 10; my $counter; 18:29:55 foreach (@{$string->{'|%%|'}->{bookmarks}}) { 18:29:57 print "{attrs}->{href}\">$_->{title}\n"; 18:29:59 $counter++; last if $counter > 10; 18:30:01 } 18:30:03 ]]] 18:30:39 I'm trolling for new/updated RSS renderers 18:31:21 bitsko: take a look at blagg:http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/lang/perl/blagg/ 18:32:13 tansaku_xr has quit (Connection timed out) 18:32:48 oh. I found what the problem was with that xpath. it was looking for a bookmark node under the title node, and it's under the folder. a good xpath: //folder[title = '$string']/bookmark 18:37:19 yeah, that works too. 18:37:20 whoo. 18:39:03 wow. XML-RPC II appears to be taking on life 18:39:32 link? 18:40:05 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-rpc/messages 18:40:27 it's even been blessed, in an offhand sort of way 18:43:21 what ever happened to OpenRPC? 18:45:42 ah,nm 18:45:46 this is much more interesting. 18:47:07 eric: just sent you off an email with some notes on this script/process./ 18:47:26 cool. 18:47:47 I need to fix the one I was working on so it just saves offa chunk of xbel, and FTPs it off. 18:48:05 bitsko: good to see you. i was asking about you this morning. 18:48:08 using the bookmarks would make a very nice and simple way to organize the menu on my website. 18:48:40 this is great, because this is the magic that will say "hey! send all these root bookmarks to my blog!" 18:50:25 hehe 18:55:33 how do blagg items get ordered? acquisition time? 18:55:49 bitsko: not sure. 18:56:05 weird; http://www.redhatsociety.org/ 19:00:08 hmm... one (actually 5) of the sources I wanted to aggregate are yahoogroups. it occurs to me that threaded would be so much better :-/ 19:00:59 I want to unsubscribed from these groups (too many attachments and poor quoting skills), but don't want to miss the new messages. 19:01:24 bitsko: there's a "read from the web only" option. 19:01:32 hmm. xml feed from yahoogroups would be spiffy. 19:01:37 they have RSS 19:01:38 there is xml from yahoogroups 19:01:40 unless they took it off. 19:01:41 yes, I do that for several groups, like xml-rpc and syndication 19:01:45 really?? 19:01:51 http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/finding_more.htm 19:01:54 yes, it's still there 19:01:59 cool. 19:02:13 wow. now that's cool. 19:02:17 the groups I want to keep getting pushed to me are PRT-related groups 19:02:50 theonion has some crazy meta tags 19:02:58 bitsko: i'm about halfway done a script that sucks down data from yahoogroups. 19:03:05 supports userauth, etc. 19:03:16 really? for ad-bypassing? ;) 19:03:22 I like how you use the term "data" 19:03:25 yup :) 19:03:48 its main purpose is to archive yahoogroups, but it could certainly be used to keep up to date as a reader too ;) 19:03:57 hmm... I could just pipe these messages to a different account and procmail 'em 19:04:01 AaronSw has changed the topic to: meta keywords: George Bush, bits, delete, all your base, hack 19:04:02 pixel: heh, heh. 19:06:02 that's sounding like a much better idea. I could use your tool to map procmailed messages to Yahoo URLs 19:06:16 * Morbus nods. 19:06:27 i don't know when i'll finish it, though. time being short and all. 19:06:47 this net connection iss driving me insane 19:06:53 I can tweak it specifically to your needs though. 19:07:01 how many new messages do you want to leech? 19:07:17 it's driving me to surf deltab-style 19:07:23 deltab-style? 19:07:30 I would only need current messages, and then only a mapping from Message-ID to URL 19:07:42 deltab-style: links on a well-connected server over ssh 19:08:22 so, what would you want the output to be? "Message-ID -> URL"? 19:11:14 ya 19:12:16 ok. that's real easy. 19:12:25 you wouldn't want anything else? no subj line, nothing? 19:12:26 * sbp waves 19:12:31 i could probably have that done tongiht. 19:13:17 I don't think so, I'd get that from the mail message proper 19:13:45 mmkay. your procmail thingy would get the message and all that junk, based on the url? 19:16:16 the procmail thingy would have the whole mail via subscription, then it needs to have the URL for a link to the Yahoo archive 19:18:04 ah. gotch. 19:18:18 it'd be kinda nice, considering how Yahoo mangles the headers anyway, if they were to just put the URL in directly 19:19:06 argh. 19:19:14 not sure how well the message id thing is gonna work. 19:19:24 you'd have to tell procmail to check before the @. 19:19:35 since they @u... that on the site. 19:19:45 even message ids? grr.. 19:20:10 yup 19:20:31 bwahaha. 19:20:36 they don't do it intentionally. 19:20:42 its a "this looks like an email address" issue. 19:20:56 cos if you click on one, you can send to 21387123kjh4kj3h4@mail.server.com ;) 19:21:44 heh 19:22:18 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 19:22:32 'lo folks 19:22:38 monk monk! 19:22:48 hey morb 19:23:11 beeen in the throes of deployment for a few days, didn't get out much ;-) 19:23:16 hmm, maybe I can just plunder MailMan to display the mail lists... 19:23:20 but it's deployed, and working! woohoo 19:23:26 what is it? 19:23:34 webobjects financial app 19:23:40 Hey there rm 19:23:47 ooh, webobjects 19:23:50 yummm 19:23:58 heh, heh, 19:24:09 hi sbp 19:24:22 I did some WO with illumineX 19:24:28 oh yeah? 19:24:31 cool 19:24:47 those guys are like the olympians of wo 19:25:08 (and as tempermental, i've heard) 19:25:16 (no offense intended) 19:25:17 hehe 19:25:37 I wish more environments had "key-value" coding 19:25:50 * redmonk thinks, he's laughing, is that a good thing? 19:25:56 no kidding 19:25:58 it;s nice 19:26:08 Is that just foo.bar.baz? 19:26:13 yep 19:26:21 I think Python has a PEP for it. Perl folks just don't get it at all 19:26:36 it'll suck if .net ends up being the only language with it 19:26:58 ASW: it's different from java and python's syntactical foo.bar.baz 19:27:01 all it is, really, is get/set overrides on properties 19:27:06 yes 19:27:09 bye all. seeya tomorrow. 19:27:11 pixel has quit ("http://www.perceive.net/") 19:27:36 you use attribute syntax, but it calls a get/set method if one exists 19:27:44 python has get set overrides -- you've used them, bitsko 19:27:49 the root object (NSObject) has valueForKey(), and takeValueForKey() methods 19:28:07 i worked on that a bit, ASW - it's a bit different 19:28:10 not really, it has __getattr__/__setattr__ which is someone less useful 19:28:41 the problem is that __get|setAttr__ can get recursive if you're not careful 19:28:45 but Py's much closer than Perl to getting real ones 19:29:06 KVC in webobjects/cocoa does not really have that problem 19:29:48 argh, my neck is killing me and my connection sucks 19:29:51 i'm going to lie down 19:30:14 ya, Paul Prescod is the PEP author and champion. PEP 213 http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0213.html 19:30:17 cya 19:37:16 my current project would probably be a great WO app, but Apple is not in their future 19:37:27 heh. 19:37:30 what's the app? 19:37:57 basic customer registration, billing, account status for long distance service 19:38:04 yeah, sounds perfect 19:38:08 too bad 19:38:41 we're gonna use Py WebWare. at least we're not using Java ;) 19:38:59 WO makes Java almost bearable, but... 19:39:47 heh 19:40:13 you should hook jython in so you can write WOComponents in python 19:40:41 have you tried that? 19:40:49 not yet 19:40:52 it's on the todo ilst 19:40:55 list 19:40:56 ;-) 19:41:38 the trick is getting project builder to play nice with the Py source 19:41:44 i'm sure it would be possible - similar to the guiys that did the re-compilable components for WO 19:41:49 well, yeah 19:42:02 i'm intrigued at the guys doing WO code in ant 19:42:18 wouldn't mind getting away from JAM 19:42:29 it seems like there's a lot of overhead in there 19:42:32 but i could be wrong 19:42:47 is there a WO irc channel anywhere? 19:42:53 dunno 19:42:57 hmmm. 19:43:04 any idea hoto register a new channel? 19:43:08 iirc, we were using ant 19:43:20 at illuminex? 19:43:27 go into the channel, and do something like /msg ChanServ REGISTER password 19:43:30 if you're the first person to join a channel, it creates it 19:43:33 with your password in place of password!!! 19:43:40 I remember what happened last time... :-) 19:43:56 there's an official registration? wow 19:44:07 yes, at illumineX 19:44:27 heh 19:44:30 cool 19:44:39 i wish someone would post their build scripts 19:44:51 we used ant for compiling outside of project builder, for the Linux server and for JUnit 19:45:13 hm. sbp: channelserv says: Notice: You are not a channel operator on [wodev] 19:45:14 oierw|formating- (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 19:45:27 ah. well, you need to be opped to register it 19:45:39 hm. 19:45:39 if you're the only person on it, try leaving and reentering quickly 19:45:48 oierw|formating- is now known as oierw 19:46:16 hm. 19:47:12 long article, but insanely interesting: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/04/rauch.htm 19:48:12 well, for the moment #wodev exists 19:53:23 bitsko has left #swhack 20:00:59 .dict predictable 20:03:19 See 'Morbus' 20:03:29 Morbus: http://www.tubcat.com/ 20:03:32 bwahahaha 20:03:37 hehehe 20:12:31 holy turd. moz just crashed. er. 20:13:29 dammit! 20:13:35 i'm #33 on the Daypop! 20:13:40 thats not good! 20:13:49 at least i've got a green arrow 20:14:11 tansaku_xr (~sam@n145-063.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 20:18:38 loggy, where am I? 20:18:38 See http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-04-24#T20-19-02 20:18:43 logster, where am I? 20:18:57 See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-04-24#T20-18-43 20:22:22 raelity (~Snak@ptlddslgw16poolb24.ptld.uswest.net) has joined #swhack 20:22:47 rael! 20:22:50 howdy doodie, y'all 20:23:23 for the 15 minutes i have once a month for irc, no 20:23:31 the built in 30 minute limit is key 20:23:33 ah. 20:24:40 i've used it twice ever 20:24:59 really? heh. i use trillian on my windows box, and snak at home. works well enough for me. 20:25:26 used to be an irc fan; no time these days 20:25:42 hey, ben hooked blagg into mt 20:25:43 very cool 20:25:49 already? 20:25:51 wow. 20:25:52 yep 20:25:53 at that url? 20:25:58 told you it was designed modularly 20:26:13 he had a heads-up... we met in person a couple of weeks back 20:26:26 ah. cool. 20:26:31 hey... also got a note about cherry-blosxom, a ruby copy 20:26:40 heh, heh! 20:27:08 very cool. 20:27:22 i still haven't even played with amazox (sp) much less blagg. 20:27:22 sigh. 20:27:38 i'm still on april 9th in my bookmark backlog 20:27:41 ben's not written about it yet. i'm going to try out the patch 20:27:53 heh... and i've a pile of books with my name on them. 20:28:06 cool. i'll be willing to beta test. i was planning to use blagg on gamegrene.com, which is an MT site. 20:28:28 i'll test, let ben know, and then post the mods 20:28:37 awesome. 20:29:43 davb has quit () 20:29:59 morbus: http://www.decafbad.com/news_archives/000119.shtml#000119 20:30:11 "While Radio slices and dices and aggregates feeds by items and serves them up to me in an interwoven chronological order, AmphetaDesk serves my feeds up to me whole and in order of feed modification. I'm not sure which I like more now." 20:30:18 OooH. thanks :) 20:30:22 "But, I think the way AmphetaDesk merges these sources might be a nicer alternative. By not chopping up the feeds, some intra-item context is maintained at least, so I can see developing trains of thought." 20:30:44 oh, hey, deus_x posted that. 20:30:52 uh huh 20:30:52 thanks deus_x! :) 20:31:55 in the future, i'll be offering both alternatives. that'll happen once I do the rss 1.0 archiving backend. 20:33:00 and winer linked too. cool 20:33:15 i'm surprised he did. 20:34:28 winer's like a search engine with one index: "RSS" 20:34:36 scripting.com: HA HA, MORBAS SUX0R!@$ 20:34:51 heheheeh. yeah, but, but, but he said he likes ampheta betta 20:34:51 redmonk: Either the "RSS" index or the "RSS 1.0 SUX0R" index 20:35:03 yeah 20:35:54 ooh. mcdermott was convicted. 20:36:05 i thought aaronsw was the rss 1.0 index 20:36:09 But I kid.. amphetadesk beta is a very good product 20:36:14 FOR ME TO POOP ON! 20:36:18 lol 20:36:19 bwahahahaha 20:38:57 SethR has quit () 20:39:26 Ash-w is now known as Zircon 20:41:06 heh! 20:43:34 z3s6q6l4d (J_Sin@iatelecom-04-645.dsl.iowatelecom.net) has joined #swhack 20:43:46 z3s6q6l4d has left #swhack 20:43:53 uh... 20:44:16 .nick z3s6q6l4d 20:44:32 gasp, where's xena? 20:44:57 gone 20:45:06 and it's .nickometer, BTW 20:45:07 nOoOO... 20:45:11 for when she comes back... 20:45:17 yeah, well, youknow. 20:45:20 :-) 20:45:33 pff. "shaft" is playing on the radio. 20:45:40 heh 20:45:42 cool 20:50:39 raelity has quit ("Snak 4.8.3 Unregistered copy. Evaluation period is over. Program will now quit. Thanks for using Snak.") 20:51:02 heh heh 20:52:55 heh 20:52:59 raelity (~Snak@ptlddslgw16poolb24.ptld.uswest.net) has joined #swhack 20:53:14 ooh, is that really rael? 20:53:25 yup. 20:53:25 *the* Rael? Rael Dornfest? 20:53:57 Rael is on swhack?!?!? oh man, I have to get dressed and comb my hair and put some aftershave on 20:54:09 er... not in a dating way, though 20:54:22 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 20:54:55 hey sean 20:54:56 long time 20:55:00 indeed 20:55:56 bummer: I've got to go now... back in about an hour or so 20:56:01 c'ya 20:56:08 i have to run too... nice to see you folks 20:56:33 ciao. 20:56:40 raelity has quit (Client Quit) 20:57:22 whew 20:57:36 dang, i didn't get to ask him if he had any tree files 20:57:49 Zircon has changed the topic to: meta keywords: George Bush, bits, delete, all your base, hack || Rael, do you have any tree files? 21:19:57 heh: 21:19:58 [[[ 21:19:58 i LOVE your writing. i have no idea what in the hell you're talking 21:19:58 about, but i want to touch it. how in the hell do you make 21:19:58 programming talk so sensual? you're very gifted, amigo. 21:19:59 ]]] 21:20:02 concerning apache #6. 21:23:33 that's scary 21:23:45 heh, heh. 21:24:07 anyone in here done os x cocoa/java programming? 21:24:12 deus_x? 21:24:26 deus_x, did a cocoa frontend to ampheta, yeah. 21:24:36 er, no initial comma 21:24:42 interesting i did not know that 21:24:52 i got bugs in my program 21:24:55 :-( 21:25:11 have you tried #macdev too? 21:25:22 no, did not know there was one 21:25:26 this server? 21:25:33 yup 21:25:39 cool 21:27:35 MACDEV!@$ 21:27:55 Hello, I make big macs 21:28:02 I am a "mac" developer 21:28:34 special sauce and all. 21:29:19 * Zircon gives Morbus a special "AmphetaMac" 21:29:44 now THAT's some special sauce 21:29:56 heh. 21:30:55 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 21:34:20 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 21:52:40 redmonk has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:56:50 deltab_ (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 22:00:49 deltab_ is now known as deltab 22:01:47 tomch (~lambda@modem-3165.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 22:01:53 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 22:09:40 * sbp waves 22:16:33 Morbus (morbus@s126.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 22:17:59 * tomch waves 22:18:05 * sbp waves again 22:18:21 * Morbus waves thricely 22:19:08 Morbus: thrice the waver and better for it 22:21:20 wow, it was so noisy just about an hour and a half ago 22:21:32 now there's hardly any IRC activity at all... 22:21:37 the lists are still going strong 22:22:48 oierw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:23:09 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 22:23:10 xena! 22:23:10 whee, now I can do stunningly quick Google searches again 22:23:10 .google stunningly quick Google searches 22:23:10 heh. well. Hmm... 22:23:10 stunningly quick Google searches: http://www.jsonline.com/wheels/test/jan02/11838.asp 22:23:22 * sbp thwaps his connection 22:25:30 "Acura's new RSX Type-S"? er... 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They didn't seem too shocked 23:09:37 a *small* affair? 23:09:41 <[...]> [...] prolly one of the hubs took a shit 23:09:42 next time, i'm gonna take a video of my screen. 23:09:50 heh, heh 23:10:13 * sbp goes to get a drink 23:10:37 more rehubbing... sorry for the inconvenience 23:10:47 walloper has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:10:47 danbri has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:10:47 Zircon has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:10:47 tansaku_xr has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:10:47 loggy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:10:47 chumpy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:10:47 AaronSw has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:10:47 eikeon has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:10:47 sbp has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:10:47 oierw` has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:10:48 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:10:48 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 23:10:48 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:10:48 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 23:10:48 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:10:48 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 23:10:48 tansaku_xr (~sam@n145-063.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 23:10:48 danbri (~danbri@pc-62-31-92-16-az.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #swhack 23:10:48 Zircon (~aaron@166.70.121.2) has joined #swhack 23:10:48 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:10:56 I WASN"T READY!#!@ 23:26:10 syn|ack has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 walloper has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 Zircon has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 tansaku_xr has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 danbri has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 eikeon has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 chumpy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 loggy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 oierw` has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 sbp has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 AaronSw has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:26:10 Ash has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:26:41 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:30:02 jillzilla (~jill@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 syn|ack (~glova@203.97.69.21) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 Zircon (~aaron@166.70.121.2) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 danbri (~danbri@pc-62-31-92-16-az.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 tansaku_xr (~sam@n145-063.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 23:30:02 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 23:30:11 I just heard a talk on Ruby yesterday. I liked it, from what I saw. 23:30:12 It's like Python but with... well, it's just like Python. 23:30:12 so... many... Ruby fans 23:30:12 it's Python with fi 23:30:38 yup, I got hooked playing with it (ruby). it helped remove perl from my life... 23:30:39 Argh, seems like net connection is still sucky. 23:32:32 Aaron: something's wrong with logster 23:32:34 aha! 23:32:39 * sbp reads his email and gets the Dark Triples zing 23:32:43 Hmm... it seems to be better now, but it missed quite a lot of the conversation for when it was here 23:33:48 Maybe because it wasn't here. 23:33:58 It just rejoined a few minutes ago. 23:34:06 no, it was here, I'm quite sure. For example, when I pasted that openprojects bit 23:34:44 whoa, rael was here 23:34:46 it caught Morbus's bit, but missed my "heh, heh" 23:35:19 Probably net craziness. 23:35:30 it clearly shows me entering and leaving 16 minutes later. I'm pretty sure that I didn't shut up for 16 minutes 23:35:44 sbp: that does seem unlikely. 23:35:50 hey! 23:35:53 :) 23:36:25 # I'm gonna talk off log for 16 minutes now just to prove you wrong 23:36:34 I never said that! 23:36:52 We need digital signature IRC, I guess. 23:36:55 nobody saw me do it. you can't prove anything 23:37:06 We all saw you do it, sbp. 23:37:11 I did. 23:37:19 sbp: dark triples wasted a whole load of time in our WGs... don't let it do same to yours! 23:37:20 jill's lying (she has a history) 23:37:26 and AaronSw is just being vindictive 23:37:38 argh, can someone with a real net connection tell me if there are real talks or just tutorials on http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/18/monday.html 23:37:40 but Dark Triples are our friends! 23:37:52 noooooo 23:38:16 AaronSw: How do you tell a talk from a tutorial? 23:38:19 they seem pretty tutorial-oriented 23:38:32 all tutorials 23:38:33 Aha. 23:38:33 at a tutorial, you get leaflets 23:38:34 tutorials should say "Track: Emerging Technology Tutorial" 23:38:35 I see, the track. 23:38:44 all I see are abstracts 23:38:44 All tutorials. 23:38:44 great, thanks! 23:43:06 * jillzilla discovers the book "Building Wireless Community Networks." This looks very interesting. 23:44:38 Yeah, Rob's pretty cool. I've been meaning to look for that at the bookstore. 23:48:37 I hope he's feeling better. 23:48:51 ? 23:49:18 He was hospitalized after an accident involving placing a wireless antennas on a tall building. 23:49:36 Oh my god. That sounds like a joke, but you're not joking. 23:49:37 how ironic 23:49:46 what sbp said. 23:50:53 hey, anyone know how I can log to file incoming traffic to a port? 23:51:25 It'd be pretty easy with a Python daemon. 23:51:26 i'm running a soap server on :8082 and i can't get it to log incoming messages verbosely enough. Is there a generic unixy hack for capturing the incoming data... 23:51:38 oh, while doing other stuff on the port. 23:51:47 It'd be pretty easy with the ruby stuff if I knew the library better... 23:51:58 EricP has an awesome HTTP diagnostic proxy thing. 23:52:07 It's in W3C CVS. 23:52:08 I could probably just run up a do-nowt server actually... 23:52:14 oh yeah, I should look at that 23:52:28 I think it's called proxy panel, or proxy patch or something 23:52:55 gotta run 23:53:09 GR: dinner 23:53:14 patchpanel 23:56:21 heh, I was playing slide on my lap, plucked a note, and left the slide... 23:56:44 and it fell towards the bridge making a "wheeeeoooop!" noise. I was like "WTF?!" 23:57:50 RE ZIRCON 23:58:25 ZIRCON: WERE IS TEH ASH? 23:58:32 MUAHAHAHAHA 23:58:44 sbp: i've assumed an alter ego for the moment. 23:59:02 not very alter, is it? 23:59:29 ZIRCON, THE SPACE GOD 23:59:32 Well, no. 23:59:39 It's this thing called an irc "nickname" 23:59:48 whoa, cool. can I get one? 23:59:58 yes, indeed. DanBri created a property for it