00:00:18 on CygWin 00:01:09 Ash has quit ("hail satan") 00:01:41 linux has a call adjtimex which allows the clock to be slowed down or sped up 00:02:06 I have an NTP program running 00:03:13 it should adjust the clock gradually, not jump it about 00:03:58 yeah, there are settings for that (it can change it up to a certain magnitude, prompt for a change, etc.) 00:06:02 * AaronSw is up 00:06:14 er back 00:07:02 heh, this looks like our sklyarov protest: http://people.opera.com/howcome/2001/msft/ 00:08:14 * AaronSw explores AppleWorks Presentations 00:12:36 Morbus (morbus@s125.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:12:36 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:13:10 hello 00:13:31 whooo. 00:15:08 Hi Ben 00:15:20 Hello 00:15:26 * AaronSw sets up his presentation Steve Jobs styleee 00:16:12 hm, no HTML export. better make sure there's a vga projector 00:16:25 * BenSw wonders if if stylee is ard maybe he is in happyland :) 00:18:24 i messed up that sentence 00:32:28 Morbus, ever get those fonts to work? 00:32:49 yeah, i'm playing with them right now. 00:32:55 removing broken/duplicates. 00:33:00 renaming to real name, not 8.3, etc. 00:33:13 ooh, nice 00:34:22 you want me to zip up that work once I'm done? 00:34:27 that'd rock 00:34:51 i'm also getting run of common fonts (verdana, helvetica, etc.) and those I think are ugly (mostly Old English style stuff, common Times, Copperplate ripoffs, etc.) 00:34:56 mmkay. 00:34:56 i'm on H right now. 00:34:56 :) 00:35:00 :-) 00:35:52 once I do all this, then I'm gonna categorize them in Suitcase sets. 00:36:04 so I can turn major types (fantasy, dingats, etc.) on and off at will 00:39:56 nice 00:40:55 BenSw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:41:15 Hmmm, yesterday's Gelhausen high was 6,985, high water mark on the servers was 7,066....not bad 00:47:13 MorbusIff (morbus@s102.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:48:00 stupid fonts. 00:51:03 tomch has quit ("sleepy time") 00:53:14 J! 00:53:27 i've deleted something like 400 fonts 00:54:50 wow 00:55:05 uh oh, philip might not be there tomorrow 00:55:38 these slides are looking really good. too bad there's no HTML export 01:07:03 sbp has quit ("Homer: Twenty dollars? I wanted a peanut!") 01:07:12 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 01:09:40 Morbus has quit (No route to host) 01:12:41 SeanP (sbp@m5-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:13:22 SeanP has quit () 02:00:27 I need a third reason why SOAP sucks 02:00:54 i have: complex, tightly-coupled 02:01:20 isn't REST compliant 02:01:29 that doesn't dount 02:01:42 err count 02:01:52 sure it does 02:02:01 no, that's the tightly-copled thing 02:02:04 just explain REST a bit first 02:02:09 ah 02:02:11 i do that next 02:02:25 i need three reasons why soap is bad, then three why REST is good 02:02:57 oh, it's insecure 02:03:06 there was a big article on it 02:03:14 .google SOAP security 02:03:15 SOAP security: http://www.w3.org/TR/SOAP-dsig 02:03:18 hm, i don't buy thatr 02:03:21 ugh 02:03:45 .google SOAP Prescod security 02:03:46 SOAP Prescod security: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/02/27/security-lather.html 02:04:00 how can you dismiss it when you haven't read the article? 02:04:11 i did read the article 02:04:13 unless you have... 02:04:18 ah 02:04:38 http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0006.html#SOAP is what I was searching for 02:04:46 ah, i've read that 02:09:28 i'm on V. whoo! 02:10:13 Vallium? Viagra? 02:13:43 whoooo! 02:13:48 i'm done./ 02:13:53 man, i really like this talk 02:13:54 now lemme see how big a tgz is. 02:15:59 heh. 02:15:59 my completed fonts tarbull is only 20 megs 02:18:45 MorbusIff has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:18:57 what are peoples thoughts here on the whole REST vs. SOAP thing? /me is curious what others think 02:23:03 there seems to be some substance to the concerns of the REST advocates, and since SOAP isn't a massively deployed language yet and the REST vs. SOAP thing is big news, it's possible for people to change... but they won't 02:23:52 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack 02:23:53 sbp: ok, let me rephrase slightly. What are the opinions of the people here on either using SOAP over REST or vice versa? 02:24:35 I was prototyping a suite of soap style services, but having being slightly sidetracked with REST. Just trying to figure out what others think 02:24:59 I'd always try to make my applications as RESTful as possible, personally 02:25:05 Aaron is the same way, I think 02:25:43 MarkB believes that SOAP web services will collapse under their own weight. 02:25:47 syn|ack: you can always offer the service with both methods. 02:25:52 from my limited reading it seems to me that REST wants to share more... 02:26:04 Using RESTful systems ensures that your system will have wider use. 02:26:09 Not supporting HTTP GET is a biggie 02:26:40 davb: true 02:26:59 I haven't deployed any web services :) but I agree that REST makes it easier to use your service. 02:27:15 ok - thanks for your thoughts fellows 02:30:42 ok, done. 41 slides 02:30:57 can i grab the tgz, morb? 02:31:03 shoot! he's gone 02:42:08 hm, i wonder where else i can give this talk 02:42:32 i think it'll be really good 02:42:45 what, MIT's not good enough now? you want more? 02:43:15 :-) 02:44:39 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 02:45:23 what is the talk on? 02:45:33 What is the talk on! 02:45:46 what, is the talk on? 02:45:58 What, is the talk on?!? 02:46:04 http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/outline 02:46:21 It's on RDF and the Semantic Web 02:47:02 maybe you could pratice your talk on irc? :):) 02:47:08 :-) 02:47:31 I'm surprised Dan Brickley isn't in this channel....this would be right up his alley 02:47:32 heh: .http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/outline should do it 02:47:42 I think he's dropped in before 02:47:44 heh: "Richard Stallman (Chief GNUisance)" 02:47:52 danbri is usally in #rdfig 02:47:55 logster, grep -i "" 02:52:13 I'm logging. I found 1 answer for '""' 02:52:14 0) 2002-04-23 02:47:55 logster, grep -i "" 02:52:30 you know danbri? 02:52:30 AaronSw: yep, but only through irc 02:52:30 he comes in #ruby-lang often 02:52:30 heh, cool 02:52:30 aha. yeah, we need to bring him to the python side ;) 02:52:30 eek :) 02:52:30 AaronSw: will that draft be on your site a for a while? I'd like to bookmark it for after work reading 02:52:30 it'll be there forever! 02:52:30 as long as i can manage, at least 02:52:30 great - thank you. 02:52:30 no prob, that's the Web Way 02:52:30 any data that reaches Aaron is then immortal 02:52:30 :-) 02:52:31 * syn|ack is trying to get his head around the whole semantic web paradigm 02:52:31 modulo him deleting his homepage by accident 02:52:31 heh, that was funny 02:52:31 shuddup :) 02:52:31 right after a big lecture on why every byte is sacred too 02:52:31 syn|ack, maybe you can watch the video version ;-) 02:52:31 * Ash throws OPML at AaronSw 02:52:31 at least i got it back 02:52:31 AaronSw: you have a video version? 02:52:31 yep, true 02:52:31 * Ash watches the gross OMPL explode all over AaronSw 02:52:31 syn|ack, i'm gonna get someone to tape it tomorrow 02:52:31 please let me know if you put it online! 02:52:31 the outline version might not make much sense, it's mostly notes for myself 02:52:31 if? heh 02:52:31 syn|ack, will do! i hope to digitize it as soon as i get back 02:52:31 that is great news 02:52:31 heh 02:52:31 hah, you put quotes around it 02:52:36 ugh 02:52:54 the funny thing is, in the logs it'll look as if logster found that result immediately 02:53:05 it's like it covers up it's own dorkiness 02:53:07 heh, good point 02:53:12 s/it's/its/ 02:53:18 if it takes too much longer it'll start pinging out 02:53:23 heh, heh 02:53:31 logster, stop logging me you dork 02:53:41 I didn't mean it that way! 02:53:45 logster, stop logging me you dork 02:53:46 * logster is not logging 02:53:46 LOL 02:53:46 heh! 02:53:52 logster: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you 02:53:54 hehe 02:53:57 ;-) 02:54:00 man, that was great 02:54:09 AaronSw: You should really make that check who's asking 02:54:10 or something 02:54:10 heh 02:54:11 crazy regexps 02:54:22 loggy, die die die! 02:54:22 I'm logging. I don't understand 'die die die!', AaronSw. Try /msg loggy help 02:54:29 hm, must have taken that one out 02:54:50 if line[-8:] == 'you dork': self.priority += 1 02:55:58 Gotta run 02:57:17 cya sbp 03:11:20 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:27:55 Aaron: thought I'd better come back on to say good luck for tomorrow, just in case I don't catch you 03:27:58 anyway, I hope you enjoy it 03:28:00 Gotta run 03:56:33 ooh, thanks sbp! 03:56:42 the t2s said that right in the middle of my talk ;-) 03:58:09 Mom: "who said that? that thing better not be on tomorrow! :)" 03:58:25 talk looks good, timing seems to work. i need bottled water 04:15:58 Hi all. #linpeople forward should be fixed, let me know 05:05:02 time to go home cya tomorrow morning 05:07:02 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:16:54 .time 05:16:54 2002/04/23 05:16:54.0758 Universal 05:17:29 * AaronSw invites Mark Bernstein, closes up for bed 05:21:55 Ash has quit ("hail satan") 05:23:46 oh i get it, it's a pun 05:23:46 Jorn Barger's conservative-left Responsible Party, that is 05:23:46 as in "who's the responsible party here?" 05:29:01 I think I've got everything... 05:29:51 wish me luck! g'nite all 05:34:58 Once again: Building 26, Room 152 05:35:32 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Aaron's Talk is in MIT Building 26, Room 152 | http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/bostonTrip 06:13:09 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 07:43:23 tansaku_xr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:30:26 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:30:30 sbp- (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 08:31:19 sbp- is now known as sbp 09:19:54 tansaku_xr (~sam@h137-074.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 09:24:36 syn|ack_ (~synack@210-86-61-114.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) has joined #swhack 09:24:46 hi guys 10:19:38 syn|ack_ has quit ("[x]chat") 10:29:37 tansaku_xr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:24:18 good morning, good morning, good morning-uh 11:51:26 pixel (~pixel@pcbhi266.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 11:55:42 hey pixel 11:56:03 OK, I'm off to the airport. See y'all later. 11:56:24 AaronSw is now known as AaronSw|Boston 11:56:46 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 11:56:51 bye bye 11:58:08 bye aaron 12:04:28 BenSw has quit () 12:04:47 tansaku_xr (~sam@h137-074.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 12:06:24 seeya aaron! 13:09:57 tansaku_xr has quit (Connection timed out) 13:40:01 * sbp waves 13:40:28 * pixel waves back 13:50:28 pixel has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:50:39 pixel (~pixel@ns.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 13:51:04 that was annoying. 14:41:12 Ash (~aaron@166.70.121.2) has joined #swhack 14:42:58 Trial server added. Once the user count goes up, we'll notify people who are on it. We're attempting to expand our load handling capability, so please bear with us. Thanks. 14:43:55 HEY LIELO, STOP WALLAPING! 14:44:18 Translation: We don't know how to run an IRC network, so we're just going to add as many servers as possible and hope the problems go away. 14:45:03 tansaku_xr (~sam@h12-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 14:47:00 heheh 14:47:30 or "we keep dropping connections and having crashes, so if we add more servers, not as many people will be affected each time" 14:49:56 hehe 14:50:13 that way, they can lower the "people bitching" factor. 14:50:16 'our ircd sucks, but let's add some more features on here since the last set didn't really work' 14:50:28 heheheheh 14:50:44 we're going to upgrade all the servers in about 5 minutes, so everybody hold on 14:50:49 *8 mins pass* 14:50:51 is there actually a walloper user in every channel? 14:51:33 OK, we're going back to the old version due to some problems with the new ircd 14:51:33 hehe 14:52:53 i wonder if they ever thought of using one of the servers as a DEVELOPMENT and QA server. heheh 14:57:58 WAHT SI TEH QUEA?!? WE DONOT NEED TEH QA, WE UES TEH OPANSOURCE MAGICS!@!@!111 14:58:11 HAHAH 14:58:15 that's great. 14:58:34 I think a lot of opensource projects need QA. 14:58:35 WE IS UHBUVE THE QA. 14:58:52 QA is good. 14:58:58 Yup. 14:59:34 so I'm new around here, learning who people are. what do you do for a living? 15:00:53 I'm a sysadmin 15:01:01 sysadmin/coder 15:01:08 cool. 15:01:49 I'm a "Senior Web Applications Developer" right now. when my evaluation comes around, I'm sure I'll have a new title. 15:07:56 wow. very boring day today. 15:08:01 Yeah. 15:08:19 Once I finish getting our new server architecture implemented, I'm going to be coding pretty muchn full time. 15:08:41 do you prefer coding? 15:08:54 Yeah. 15:09:07 Although I like being a sysadmin so long as I have lackeys. 15:09:08 hehe 15:10:39 lackeys make life easier. 15:10:46 Yeah. 15:10:58 We're going to be growing our own jr sysadmin here soon 15:11:06 I had a lackey, but then we promoted him to intermediate, and now I have no lackey. sniff. 15:11:26 yeah 15:11:27 heh 15:11:55 I basically want to write the applications and be guru of the network, but not have to deal with every little day to day problem. 15:11:55 what systems do you admin? UNIX/win/etc? 15:11:57 Heheh. 15:12:26 we have quite a large staff here, so I don't deal with too many system-type issues. just mainly stupid-user issues. 15:13:10 Well, we have a few FreeBSD and Linux machines, then two windows servers running our internal db application, and then 3 netware servers that do the day-to-day file/print and email stuff. 15:13:24 Not a whole lot of servers, really- we only have 11. 15:13:52 And this hardware should scale up to supporting about 1000 users (we currently only have 100 employees) 15:17:13 aw, I missed some Ash "TEH" stuff 15:17:54 sbp: You can just scroll up 15:18:04 I was just berating LIELO and his goons 15:18:54 I DONOT NOWE HOW TO UES TEH LOGS!?!@ 15:19:18 we have soemwhere in the neighboorhood of 300 servers, VAX, DEC Unix, Linux, Windows, and HPUX. 15:19:48 aww, LInda Lovelace died. 15:20:19 Wait.. who was she? 15:20:23 www-archive is slow today 15:20:36 was that WONDER WOMAN? 15:20:47 nope. think "Deep Throat" 15:20:52 OH 15:20:54 her. 15:20:55 haha 15:20:55 heh 15:20:56 heheheh 15:21:18 Linda Carter was wonder woman. 15:21:34 *big* difference. heheh 15:23:56 Frasier: I'm not even sure you can do that to the flag! 15:26:58 * sbp thwaps his connection 15:27:27 * pixel thinks he heard it scream 15:27:50 heh 15:31:53 anyone know anything interesting? 15:32:11 xena knows the last digit of Pi 15:32:18 oh really? 15:32:41 she ain't telling, though 15:32:43 I know the last digit of Pi, when Pi is reversed. 15:32:51 yeah: 0 15:32:58 3. 15:33:14 0000000000[...]0003.141592653589793238462... 15:33:29 hehe 15:33:45 leading 0s are insignificant =) 15:54:02 Gotta run 15:57:54 Ash has quit (Remote closed the connection) 15:59:32 Ash (~aaron@166.70.121.2) has joined #swhack 16:23:59 kensaku (~sam@m150-250.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 16:36:13 tansaku_xr has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:48:12 MorbusIff (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 16:48:39 hi morb. 16:49:05 MorbusIff has quit (Client Quit) 16:49:16 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 16:49:23 hello again, hello. 16:50:14 hey pixie. 16:50:31 how goes it? 16:50:37 eh. it goes. just got to work. 16:50:45 ahh. 16:51:08 1pm M&T. 16:51:24 yuppers/ 16:52:55 I need something good to lsiten to. 16:53:19 what are you in the mood for? 16:53:38 something good, and different. upbeat. 16:54:38 any ideas? 16:54:39 my life with the thrill kill kult. 16:54:42 oh. wait. upbeat. 16:54:45 prodigy? 16:54:45 hahaha 16:54:48 chemical brothers? 16:54:54 ooh. prodigy might work. 16:54:54 chicks on speed? 16:55:34 Kaltes Klares Wasser. 16:55:42 right... 16:55:47 hehe 16:55:48 you've heard of Chicks on Speed? 16:56:01 i've got a few of their albums (see my bookmarks for track listings) 16:56:01 there's a very uhm, R-rated song called the by chicks on speed. 16:56:22 cool. I don't have any of thier albums, just the one song from a compilation. 16:56:28 ah. 16:56:52 it talks about alot of licking n stuff. 16:57:39 (I've picked some Paul Oakenfold to listen to) 16:58:22 hehe 16:59:16 yup. 17:00:37 time for some soup. 17:00:45 la la la 17:00:47 L AL AL ALA 17:06:07 LALA 17:07:05 obla di obla da. 17:28:35 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 17:29:24 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 17:29:35 in... or out? 17:30:01 I need a nap. 17:31:17 pff. 17:31:27 stupid display adapter isn't refreshing properly. have artificats. 17:31:57 eww. 17:32:09 yeah, its annoying. 17:32:16 nothing major, just corrupted icons, silly lines, etc. 17:32:31 I used to have a video card that did that alot. 17:32:49 a dot here, a line there. 17:35:11 DISPLAY MANAGER 17:35:25 hmm. 17:35:36 We had a group of 10 compaq deskpro 4000s at a defense contractor I worked for.. they were rather odd. 17:35:51 If you were running MS Excel at 2:30PM, the display would corrupt. 17:36:01 (bad enough that you'd have to reboot the machine) 17:36:10 easy fix. hehe 17:36:11 After a reboot it was fine. 17:36:21 Well.. none of the other machines did it! 17:36:24 Exact same hardware! 17:36:25 lol 17:36:38 (don't run excel at 2:30.) 17:36:40 hehe 17:36:42 Well, yeah. 17:37:00 :) 17:37:03 I wrote a little vb app that would close excel at 2:28 17:37:23 hehe 17:39:35 * sbp waves 17:39:44 hi. 17:40:25 sbp! 17:42:26