IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-23

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00:00:18 [sbp]
on CygWin
00:01:09 [Ash]
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00:01:41 [deltab]
linux has a call adjtimex which allows the clock to be slowed down or sped up
00:02:06 [sbp]
I have an NTP program running
00:03:13 [deltab]
it should adjust the clock gradually, not jump it about
00:03:58 [sbp]
yeah, there are settings for that (it can change it up to a certain magnitude, prompt for a change, etc.)
00:06:02 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is up
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er back
00:07:02 [AaronSw]
heh, this looks like our sklyarov protest: http://people.opera.com/howcome/2001/msft/
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* AaronSw explores AppleWorks Presentations
00:12:36 [Morbus]
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00:13:10 [BenSw]
hello
00:13:31 [Morbus]
whooo.
00:15:08 [sbp]
Hi Ben
00:15:20 [BenSw]
Hello
00:15:26 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw sets up his presentation Steve Jobs styleee
00:16:12 [AaronSw]
hm, no HTML export. better make sure there's a vga projector
00:16:25 [BenSw]
* BenSw wonders if if stylee is ard maybe he is in happyland :)
00:18:24 [BenSw]
i messed up that sentence
00:32:28 [AaronSw]
Morbus, ever get those fonts to work?
00:32:49 [Morbus]
yeah, i'm playing with them right now.
00:32:55 [Morbus]
removing broken/duplicates.
00:33:00 [Morbus]
renaming to real name, not 8.3, etc.
00:33:13 [AaronSw]
ooh, nice
00:34:22 [Morbus]
you want me to zip up that work once I'm done?
00:34:27 [AaronSw]
that'd rock
00:34:51 [Morbus]
i'm also getting run of common fonts (verdana, helvetica, etc.) and those I think are ugly (mostly Old English style stuff, common Times, Copperplate ripoffs, etc.)
00:34:56 [Morbus]
mmkay.
00:34:56 [Morbus]
i'm on H right now.
00:34:56 [Morbus]
:)
00:35:00 [AaronSw]
:-)
00:35:52 [Morbus]
once I do all this, then I'm gonna categorize them in Suitcase sets.
00:36:04 [Morbus]
so I can turn major types (fantasy, dingats, etc.) on and off at will
00:39:56 [AaronSw]
nice
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00:41:15 [walloper]
<lilo> Hmmm, yesterday's Gelhausen high was 6,985, high water mark on the servers was 7,066....not bad
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00:48:00 [MorbusIff]
stupid fonts.
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00:53:14 [MorbusIff]
J!
00:53:27 [MorbusIff]
i've deleted something like 400 fonts
00:54:50 [AaronSw]
wow
00:55:05 [AaronSw]
uh oh, philip might not be there tomorrow
00:55:38 [AaronSw]
these slides are looking really good. too bad there's no HTML export
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02:00:27 [AaronSw]
I need a third reason why SOAP sucks
02:00:54 [AaronSw]
i have: complex, tightly-coupled
02:01:20 [sbp]
isn't REST compliant
02:01:29 [AaronSw]
that doesn't dount
02:01:42 [AaronSw]
err count
02:01:52 [sbp]
sure it does
02:02:01 [AaronSw]
no, that's the tightly-copled thing
02:02:04 [sbp]
just explain REST a bit first
02:02:09 [sbp]
ah
02:02:11 [AaronSw]
i do that next
02:02:25 [AaronSw]
i need three reasons why soap is bad, then three why REST is good
02:02:57 [sbp]
oh, it's insecure
02:03:06 [sbp]
there was a big article on it
02:03:14 [sbp]
.google SOAP security
02:03:15 [xena]
SOAP security: http://www.w3.org/TR/SOAP-dsig
02:03:18 [AaronSw]
hm, i don't buy thatr
02:03:21 [sbp]
ugh
02:03:45 [sbp]
.google SOAP Prescod security
02:03:46 [xena]
SOAP Prescod security: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/02/27/security-lather.html
02:04:00 [sbp]
how can you dismiss it when you haven't read the article?
02:04:11 [AaronSw]
i did read the article
02:04:13 [sbp]
unless you have...
02:04:18 [sbp]
ah
02:04:38 [sbp]
http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0006.html#SOAP is what I was searching for
02:04:46 [AaronSw]
ah, i've read that
02:09:28 [MorbusIff]
i'm on V. whoo!
02:10:13 [sbp]
Vallium? Viagra?
02:13:43 [MorbusIff]
whoooo!
02:13:48 [MorbusIff]
i'm done./
02:13:53 [AaronSw]
man, i really like this talk
02:13:54 [MorbusIff]
now lemme see how big a tgz is.
02:15:59 [MorbusIff]
heh.
02:15:59 [MorbusIff]
my completed fonts tarbull is only 20 megs
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02:18:57 [syn|ack]
what are peoples thoughts here on the whole REST vs. SOAP thing? /me is curious what others think
02:23:03 [sbp]
there seems to be some substance to the concerns of the REST advocates, and since SOAP isn't a massively deployed language yet and the REST vs. SOAP thing is big news, it's possible for people to change... but they won't
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02:23:53 [syn|ack]
sbp: ok, let me rephrase slightly. What are the opinions of the people here on either using SOAP over REST or vice versa?
02:24:35 [syn|ack]
I was prototyping a suite of soap style services, but having being slightly sidetracked with REST. Just trying to figure out what others think
02:24:59 [sbp]
I'd always try to make my applications as RESTful as possible, personally
02:25:05 [sbp]
Aaron is the same way, I think
02:25:43 [AaronSw]
MarkB believes that SOAP web services will collapse under their own weight.
02:25:47 [davb]
syn|ack: you can always offer the service with both methods.
02:25:52 [syn|ack]
from my limited reading it seems to me that REST wants to share more...
02:26:04 [AaronSw]
Using RESTful systems ensures that your system will have wider use.
02:26:09 [sbp]
<MarkB> Not supporting HTTP GET is a biggie
02:26:40 [syn|ack]
davb: true
02:26:59 [davb]
I haven't deployed any web services :) but I agree that REST makes it easier to use your service.
02:27:15 [syn|ack]
ok - thanks for your thoughts fellows
02:30:42 [AaronSw]
ok, done. 41 slides
02:30:57 [AaronSw]
can i grab the tgz, morb?
02:31:03 [AaronSw]
shoot! he's gone
02:42:08 [AaronSw]
hm, i wonder where else i can give this talk
02:42:32 [AaronSw]
i think it'll be really good
02:42:45 [sbp]
what, MIT's not good enough now? you want more?
02:43:15 [AaronSw]
:-)
02:44:39 [Ash]
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02:45:23 [syn|ack]
what is the talk on?
02:45:33 [Ash]
What is the talk on!
02:45:46 [sbp]
what, is the talk on?
02:45:58 [Ash]
What, is the talk on?!?
02:46:04 [sbp]
http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/outline
02:46:21 [AaronSw]
It's on RDF and the Semantic Web
02:47:02 [syn|ack]
maybe you could pratice your talk on irc? :):)
02:47:08 [AaronSw]
:-)
02:47:31 [syn|ack]
I'm surprised Dan Brickley isn't in this channel....this would be right up his alley
02:47:32 [sbp]
heh: .http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/outline should do it
02:47:42 [sbp]
I think he's dropped in before
02:47:44 [AaronSw]
heh: "Richard Stallman (Chief GNUisance)"
02:47:52 [AaronSw]
danbri is usally in #rdfig
02:47:55 [sbp]
logster, grep -i "<DanBri>"
02:52:13 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for '"<DanBri>"'
02:52:14 [logster]
0) 2002-04-23 02:47:55 <sbp> logster, grep -i "<DanBri>"
02:52:30 [AaronSw]
you know danbri?
02:52:30 [syn|ack]
AaronSw: yep, but only through irc
02:52:30 [syn|ack]
he comes in #ruby-lang often
02:52:30 [sbp]
heh, cool
02:52:30 [AaronSw]
aha. yeah, we need to bring him to the python side ;)
02:52:30 [syn|ack]
eek :)
02:52:30 [syn|ack]
AaronSw: will that draft be on your site a for a while? I'd like to bookmark it for after work reading
02:52:30 [sbp]
it'll be there forever!
02:52:30 [AaronSw]
as long as i can manage, at least
02:52:30 [syn|ack]
great - thank you.
02:52:30 [AaronSw]
no prob, that's the Web Way
02:52:30 [sbp]
any data that reaches Aaron is then immortal
02:52:30 [AaronSw]
:-)
02:52:31 [syn|ack]
* syn|ack is trying to get his head around the whole semantic web paradigm
02:52:31 [sbp]
modulo him deleting his homepage by accident
02:52:31 [sbp]
heh, that was funny
02:52:31 [AaronSw]
shuddup :)
02:52:31 [sbp]
right after a big lecture on why every byte is sacred too
02:52:31 [AaronSw]
syn|ack, maybe you can watch the video version ;-)
02:52:31 [Ash]
* Ash throws OPML at AaronSw
02:52:31 [AaronSw]
at least i got it back
02:52:31 [syn|ack]
AaronSw: you have a video version?
02:52:31 [sbp]
yep, true
02:52:31 [Ash]
* Ash watches the gross OMPL explode all over AaronSw
02:52:31 [AaronSw]
syn|ack, i'm gonna get someone to tape it tomorrow
02:52:31 [syn|ack]
please let me know if you put it online!
02:52:31 [AaronSw]
the outline version might not make much sense, it's mostly notes for myself
02:52:31 [sbp]
if? heh
02:52:31 [AaronSw]
syn|ack, will do! i hope to digitize it as soon as i get back
02:52:31 [syn|ack]
that is great news
02:52:31 [sbp]
heh
02:52:31 [AaronSw]
hah, you put quotes around it
02:52:36 [sbp]
ugh
02:52:54 [sbp]
the funny thing is, in the logs it'll look as if logster found that result immediately
02:53:05 [sbp]
it's like it covers up it's own dorkiness
02:53:07 [AaronSw]
heh, good point
02:53:12 [sbp]
s/it's/its/
02:53:18 [AaronSw]
if it takes too much longer it'll start pinging out
02:53:23 [sbp]
heh, heh
02:53:31 [Ash]
logster, stop logging me you dork
02:53:41 [Ash]
I didn't mean it that way!
02:53:45 [AaronSw]
<Ash> logster, stop logging me you dork
02:53:46 [AaronSw]
* logster is not logging
02:53:46 [AaronSw]
<Ash> LOL
02:53:46 [AaronSw]
<sbp> heh!
02:53:52 [Ash]
logster: I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend you
02:53:54 [Ash]
hehe
02:53:57 [Ash]
;-)
02:54:00 [sbp]
man, that was great
02:54:09 [Ash]
AaronSw: You should really make that check who's asking
02:54:10 [Ash]
or something
02:54:10 [Ash]
heh
02:54:11 [AaronSw]
crazy regexps
02:54:22 [AaronSw]
loggy, die die die!
02:54:22 [loggy]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'die die die!', AaronSw. Try /msg loggy help
02:54:29 [AaronSw]
hm, must have taken that one out
02:54:50 [sbp]
if line[-8:] == 'you dork': self.priority += 1
02:55:58 [sbp]
Gotta run
02:57:17 [syn|ack]
cya sbp
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03:27:55 [sbp]
Aaron: thought I'd better come back on to say good luck for tomorrow, just in case I don't catch you
03:27:58 [sbp]
anyway, I hope you enjoy it
03:28:00 [sbp]
Gotta run
03:56:33 [AaronSw]
ooh, thanks sbp!
03:56:42 [AaronSw]
the t2s said that right in the middle of my talk ;-)
03:58:09 [AaronSw]
Mom: "who said that? that thing better not be on tomorrow! :)"
03:58:25 [AaronSw]
talk looks good, timing seems to work. i need bottled water
04:15:58 [walloper]
<lilo> Hi all. #linpeople forward should be fixed, let me know
05:05:02 [syn|ack]
time to go home cya tomorrow morning
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05:16:54 [AaronSw]
.time
05:16:54 [xena]
2002/04/23 05:16:54.0758 Universal
05:17:29 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw invites Mark Bernstein, closes up for bed
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05:23:46 [AaronSw]
oh i get it, it's a pun
05:23:46 [AaronSw]
Jorn Barger's conservative-left Responsible Party, that is
05:23:46 [AaronSw]
as in "who's the responsible party here?"
05:29:01 [AaronSw]
I think I've got everything...
05:29:51 [AaronSw]
wish me luck! g'nite all
05:34:58 [AaronSw]
Once again: Building 26, Room 152
05:35:32 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Aaron's Talk is in MIT Building 26, Room 152 | http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/bostonTrip
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09:24:46 [syn|ack_]
hi guys
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11:24:18 [AaronSw]
good morning, good morning, good morning-uh
11:51:26 [pixel]
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11:55:42 [AaronSw]
hey pixel
11:56:03 [AaronSw]
OK, I'm off to the airport. See y'all later.
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11:56:51 [AaronSw|Boston]
bye bye
11:58:08 [BenSw]
bye aaron
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12:06:24 [pixel]
seeya aaron!
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* sbp waves
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* pixel waves back
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13:51:04 [pixel]
that was annoying.
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14:42:58 [walloper]
<lilo> Trial server added. Once the user count goes up, we'll notify people who are on it. We're attempting to expand our load handling capability, so please bear with us. Thanks.
14:43:55 [Ash]
HEY LIELO, STOP WALLAPING!
14:44:18 [Ash]
Translation: We don't know how to run an IRC network, so we're just going to add as many servers as possible and hope the problems go away.
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14:47:00 [pixel]
heheh
14:47:30 [pixel]
or "we keep dropping connections and having crashes, so if we add more servers, not as many people will be affected each time"
14:49:56 [Ash]
hehe
14:50:13 [pixel]
that way, they can lower the "people bitching" factor.
14:50:16 [Ash]
'our ircd sucks, but let's add some more features on here since the last set didn't really work'
14:50:28 [pixel]
heheheheh
14:50:44 [Ash]
<lilo> we're going to upgrade all the servers in about 5 minutes, so everybody hold on
14:50:49 [Ash]
*8 mins pass*
14:50:51 [pixel]
is there actually a walloper user in every channel?
14:51:33 [Ash]
<lilo> OK, we're going back to the old version due to some problems with the new ircd
14:51:33 [Ash]
hehe
14:52:53 [pixel]
i wonder if they ever thought of using one of the servers as a DEVELOPMENT and QA server. heheh
14:57:58 [Ash]
<lilo> WAHT SI TEH QUEA?!? WE DONOT NEED TEH QA, WE UES TEH OPANSOURCE MAGICS!@!@!111
14:58:11 [pixel]
HAHAH
14:58:15 [pixel]
that's great.
14:58:34 [Ash]
I think a lot of opensource projects need QA.
14:58:35 [pixel]
<lilo> WE IS UHBUVE THE QA.
14:58:52 [pixel]
QA is good.
14:58:58 [Ash]
Yup.
14:59:34 [pixel]
so I'm new around here, learning who people are. what do you do for a living?
15:00:53 [Ash]
I'm a sysadmin
15:01:01 [Ash]
sysadmin/coder
15:01:08 [pixel]
cool.
15:01:49 [pixel]
I'm a "Senior Web Applications Developer" right now. when my evaluation comes around, I'm sure I'll have a new title.
15:07:56 [pixel]
wow. very boring day today.
15:08:01 [Ash]
Yeah.
15:08:19 [Ash]
Once I finish getting our new server architecture implemented, I'm going to be coding pretty muchn full time.
15:08:41 [pixel]
do you prefer coding?
15:08:54 [Ash]
Yeah.
15:09:07 [Ash]
Although I like being a sysadmin so long as I have lackeys.
15:09:08 [Ash]
hehe
15:10:39 [pixel]
lackeys make life easier.
15:10:46 [Ash]
Yeah.
15:10:58 [Ash]
We're going to be growing our own jr sysadmin here soon
15:11:06 [pixel]
I had a lackey, but then we promoted him to intermediate, and now I have no lackey. sniff.
15:11:26 [Ash]
yeah
15:11:27 [Ash]
heh
15:11:55 [Ash]
I basically want to write the applications and be guru of the network, but not have to deal with every little day to day problem.
15:11:55 [pixel]
what systems do you admin? UNIX/win/etc?
15:11:57 [Ash]
Heheh.
15:12:26 [pixel]
we have quite a large staff here, so I don't deal with too many system-type issues. just mainly stupid-user issues.
15:13:10 [Ash]
Well, we have a few FreeBSD and Linux machines, then two windows servers running our internal db application, and then 3 netware servers that do the day-to-day file/print and email stuff.
15:13:24 [Ash]
Not a whole lot of servers, really- we only have 11.
15:13:52 [Ash]
And this hardware should scale up to supporting about 1000 users (we currently only have 100 employees)
15:17:13 [sbp]
aw, I missed some Ash "TEH" stuff
15:17:54 [Ash]
sbp: You can just scroll up
15:18:04 [Ash]
I was just berating LIELO and his goons
15:18:54 [sbp]
I DONOT NOWE HOW TO UES TEH LOGS!?!@
15:19:18 [pixel]
we have soemwhere in the neighboorhood of 300 servers, VAX, DEC Unix, Linux, Windows, and HPUX.
15:19:48 [pixel]
aww, LInda Lovelace died.
15:20:19 [Ash]
Wait.. who was she?
15:20:23 [sbp]
www-archive is slow today
15:20:36 [Ash]
was that WONDER WOMAN?
15:20:47 [pixel]
nope. think "Deep Throat"
15:20:52 [Ash]
OH
15:20:54 [Ash]
her.
15:20:55 [Ash]
haha
15:20:55 [sbp]
heh
15:20:56 [pixel]
heheheh
15:21:18 [pixel]
Linda Carter was wonder woman.
15:21:34 [pixel]
*big* difference. heheh
15:23:56 [sbp]
Frasier: I'm not even sure you can do that to the flag!
15:26:58 [sbp]
* sbp thwaps his connection
15:27:27 [pixel]
* pixel thinks he heard it scream
15:27:50 [sbp]
heh
15:31:53 [pixel]
anyone know anything interesting?
15:32:11 [sbp]
xena knows the last digit of Pi
15:32:18 [pixel]
oh really?
15:32:41 [sbp]
she ain't telling, though
15:32:43 [pixel]
I know the last digit of Pi, when Pi is reversed.
15:32:51 [sbp]
yeah: 0
15:32:58 [pixel]
3.
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0000000000[...]0003.141592653589793238462...
15:33:29 [pixel]
hehe
15:33:45 [pixel]
leading 0s are insignificant =)
15:54:02 [sbp]
Gotta run
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16:48:39 [pixel]
hi morb.
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16:49:23 [pixel]
hello again, hello.
16:50:14 [Morbus]
hey pixie.
16:50:31 [pixel]
how goes it?
16:50:37 [Morbus]
eh. it goes. just got to work.
16:50:45 [pixel]
ahh.
16:51:08 [pixel]
1pm M&T.
16:51:24 [Morbus]
yuppers/
16:52:55 [pixel]
I need something good to lsiten to.
16:53:19 [Morbus]
what are you in the mood for?
16:53:38 [pixel]
something good, and different. upbeat.
16:54:38 [pixel]
any ideas?
16:54:39 [Morbus]
my life with the thrill kill kult.
16:54:42 [Morbus]
oh. wait. upbeat.
16:54:45 [Morbus]
prodigy?
16:54:45 [pixel]
hahaha
16:54:48 [Morbus]
chemical brothers?
16:54:54 [pixel]
ooh. prodigy might work.
16:54:54 [Morbus]
chicks on speed?
16:55:34 [pixel]
Kaltes Klares Wasser.
16:55:42 [Morbus]
right...
16:55:47 [pixel]
hehe
16:55:48 [Morbus]
you've heard of Chicks on Speed?
16:56:01 [Morbus]
i've got a few of their albums (see my bookmarks for track listings)
16:56:01 [pixel]
there's a very uhm, R-rated song called the by chicks on speed.
16:56:22 [pixel]
cool. I don't have any of thier albums, just the one song from a compilation.
16:56:28 [Morbus]
ah.
16:56:52 [pixel]
it talks about alot of licking n stuff.
16:57:39 [pixel]
(I've picked some Paul Oakenfold to listen to)
16:58:22 [pixel]
hehe
16:59:16 [pixel]
yup.
17:00:37 [pixel]
time for some soup.
17:00:45 [Ash]
la la la
17:00:47 [Ash]
L AL AL ALA
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LALA
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obla di obla da.
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17:29:35 [pixel]
in... or out?
17:30:01 [pixel]
I need a nap.
17:31:17 [Morbus]
pff.
17:31:27 [Morbus]
stupid display adapter isn't refreshing properly. have artificats.
17:31:57 [pixel]
eww.
17:32:09 [Morbus]
yeah, its annoying.
17:32:16 [Morbus]
nothing major, just corrupted icons, silly lines, etc.
17:32:31 [pixel]
I used to have a video card that did that alot.
17:32:49 [pixel]
a dot here, a line there.
17:35:11 [Ash]
DISPLAY MANAGER
17:35:25 [pixel]
hmm.
17:35:36 [Ash]
We had a group of 10 compaq deskpro 4000s at a defense contractor I worked for.. they were rather odd.
17:35:51 [Ash]
If you were running MS Excel at 2:30PM, the display would corrupt.
17:36:01 [Ash]
(bad enough that you'd have to reboot the machine)
17:36:10 [pixel]
easy fix. hehe
17:36:11 [Ash]
After a reboot it was fine.
17:36:21 [Ash]
Well.. none of the other machines did it!
17:36:24 [Ash]
Exact same hardware!
17:36:25 [Ash]
lol
17:36:38 [pixel]
(don't run excel at 2:30.)
17:36:40 [pixel]
hehe
17:36:42 [Ash]
Well, yeah.
17:37:00 [pixel]
:)
17:37:03 [Ash]
I wrote a little vb app that would close excel at 2:28
17:37:23 [pixel]
hehe
17:39:35 [sbp]
* sbp waves
17:39:44 [pixel]
hi.
17:40:25 [Morbus]
sbp!
17:42:26 [sbp]
this Le Pen stuff is quite odd, isn't it? That's what happens when you get a low voter turnout, I suppose...
17:43:05 [pixel]
Le Pen?
17:44:18 [sbp]
.google Jean-Marie Le Pen
17:44:19 [xena]
Jean-Marie Le Pen: http://www.lepen.tv
17:44:43 [sbp]
right-wing National Front French presidency candidate
17:44:43 [pixel]
was he elected?
17:45:01 [Ash]
hey SBP
17:45:02 [sbp]
heh, no
17:45:13 [sbp]
but in the first round, he got an astonishing amount of votes
17:45:13 [Ash]
.google Jean-Marie Le Pen is a wanker
17:45:14 [xena]
Jean-Marie Le Pen is a wanker: http://samizdata.blogspot.com
17:45:23 [pixel]
hehehe
17:45:38 [sbp]
the left are doing their nuts over it, of course
17:45:57 [pixel]
is this a goodthing?
17:46:11 [sbp]
well, not just the left, in fact. I mean, Chirac is a conservative
17:46:17 [sbp]
and he's the liberal opposition!
17:46:27 [sbp]
er no, this is not a good thing
17:46:29 [Ash]
crazy
17:46:32 [Ash]
sounds like the USA
17:46:37 [Ash]
everybody's a fucking centrist
17:46:39 [Ash]
DIE
17:46:53 [sbp]
although the good thing to come from it may be that more people will vote etc.
17:46:53 [pixel]
I'm not a centrist.
17:48:05 [Ash]
pixel: YEAH RIGHT
17:48:15 [Ash]
pixel is a member of the republicrat party
17:48:17 [Ash]
*g*
17:48:33 [pixel]
hehehe
17:48:47 [pixel]
actually, I'm not registered under any major party.
17:48:52 [pixel]
they're all crackheads.
17:48:58 [sbp]
centrist!
17:49:02 [pixel]
hehe
17:49:14 [pixel]
in fact, I don't believe that a party-based system works.
17:49:19 [sbp]
no matter who you vote for, the government always get in
17:49:29 [pixel]
unless a keg is involved. :)
17:51:26 [sbp]
.wn pixel
17:51:26 [xena]
pixel defined as:
17:51:28 [xena]
- n : (computer science) the smallest discrete element of an image or picture on a CRT screen (usually a single-colored dot); "the greater the number of pixels per inch the greater the resolution" [syn: {pel}, {picture element}]
17:51:38 [pixel]
that would be me.
17:51:46 [sbp]
Hmm... #swhack must have quite a low resolution, then
17:51:54 [pixel]
hehehe
17:51:55 [sbp]
one pixel per square channel
17:52:08 [pixel]
VERY low resolution. no room for detail.
17:52:20 [sbp]
indeed
18:49:17 [AaronSw|Boston]
arfg
18:49:27 [AaronSw|Boston]
i forgot to tape the talk
18:49:37 [AaronSw|Boston]
nobody's at W3C
18:49:58 [AaronSw|Boston]
oherwise everythingg rocks
18:50:03 [pixel]
you were talking to yourself and forgot to tape it?
18:50:41 [AaronSw|Boston]
heh, no
18:51:15 [AaronSw|Boston]
k, going down
18:51:19 [AaronSw|Boston]
laters
18:51:20 [pixel]
bye.
18:51:26 [Morbus]
going down on w... oh nevermind.
18:58:14 [pixel]
i hate sales people.
19:07:26 [Morbus]
i hate my life :)
19:07:44 [Morbus]
worked on leecharoo a bit todya.
19:07:48 [pixel]
you win.
19:07:49 [Morbus]
got the apache style config stuff working.
19:07:57 [pixel]
what does it slurp down now?
19:07:59 [pixel]
coool.
19:07:59 [Morbus]
but realize that I now need a Leecharoo::Config wrapper.
19:08:07 [Morbus]
otherwise, there's a lot of logic duplicate.
19:08:07 [pixel]
more work.
19:08:30 [Morbus]
like "what's the extensions I should accept, merged with the Allow/Deny rules from this account and the default settings"?
19:08:34 [Morbus]
that sort of crap.
19:08:42 [Morbus]
so, that'll be my next "whoO! got thirty minutes!" step.
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20:02:34 [sbp]
<AaronSw|Boston> i forgot to tape the talk
20:02:41 [sbp]
he *has* to be kidding
20:29:38 [AaronSw|MIT]
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howdy
20:29:47 [AaronSw|MIT]
anyone here? anyone looking for me?
20:34:13 [Morbus]
[[[
20:34:14 [Morbus]
[16:02] <sbp> <AaronSw|Boston> i forgot to tape the talk
20:34:14 [Morbus]
[16:03] <sbp> he *has* to be kidding
20:34:14 [Morbus]
]]]
20:35:56 [AaronSw|MIT]
heh, i was serious
20:36:11 [AaronSw|MIT]
i was so nervous until i left the building, when i smacked my head and said "stupid, stupid, stupid"
20:37:01 [AaronSw|MIT]
for not taping it
20:37:06 [AaronSw|MIT]
BenSw chewed me up for it too
20:37:19 [AaronSw|MIT]
stopped in at the FSF, they're very friendly
20:37:23 [AaronSw|MIT]
got a tshirt and mug and some photos
20:37:26 [AaronSw|MIT]
GNU!
20:38:13 [AaronSw|MIT]
* AaronSw|MIT pokes sbp
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20:41:49 [BenSw]
seems that you got on AaronSw
20:42:17 [AaronSw|MIT]
seems so
20:42:46 [AaronSw|MIT]
well, i better try to go meet nada
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and then catch my plane home
20:45:50 [AaronSw|MIT]
philip was off geting his diamond da40: http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/plastic-airplanes
20:45:56 [AaronSw|MIT]
and kyle didn't show up
20:46:51 [AaronSw|MIT]
but it was still pretty fun
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20:56:50 [Ash]
* Ash FWOOSHES
20:57:08 [Ash]
Ash has changed the topic to: Remember, please avoid Boston today if you value your sanity. || Aaron's Talk is in MIT Building 26, Room 152 | http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/bostonTrip
21:02:22 [syn|ack]
morning folks
21:04:59 [Ash]
Good morning syn|ack
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21:25:17 [SethR]
hi sean
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* sbp waves
21:44:21 [sbp]
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!!! @ <AaronSw|MIT> i was so nervous until i left the building, when i smacked my head and said "stupid, stupid, stupid"
21:44:55 [sbp]
but at least the talk seemed to go alright :-)
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22:14:28 [sbp]
Hey Morbus
22:14:47 [Morbus]
hey sbp
22:15:04 [Morbus]
i think AaronSw|Boston "forgot" to tape the talk cos it sucked.
22:15:20 [Ash]
you're right
22:15:45 [Ash]
AaronSw threw the tape in the garbage as he walked out
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<AaronSw> DOH! I FORGOT A TAPE!
22:15:56 [Morbus]
i bet he did
22:16:22 [Ash]
* Ash ^5 Morbus
22:16:51 [Morbus]
* Morbus has sex with Ash.
22:16:55 [sbp]
heh
22:17:19 [sbp]
sex: high-five for the noughties
22:18:32 [Ash]
Um, hey now
22:18:40 [sbp]
hey now, hey now
22:20:39 [sbp]
.time EST
22:20:39 [xena]
Apr. 23, 2002 6:20 pm US/Eastern
22:21:05 [Morbus]
.time swatch
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error: Site Error occurred: KeyError
22:21:14 [Ash]
.time SWATCH
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error: Site Error occurred: KeyError
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.beats
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.time beats
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error: Site Error occurred: KeyError
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.swatchbeats
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Grpgmrpgmprgmpgmh
22:22:06 [sbp]
.commands
22:22:07 [xena]
valid commands:
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- +mask, -mask, access, acronym, act, babel, billennium, c2f, change, commands
22:22:09 [xena]
- ctcp, date, dict, die, dns, dtrt, e, email, emails, excuse
22:22:10 [Morbus]
.time to die motherfucker
22:22:10 [xena]
- f2c, flight, foldoc, fortune, google, help, imdb, intelliquote, isotime, jargon
22:22:11 [xena]
- join, login, masks, modules, msg, news, news on, news source, nick, nickometer
22:22:11 [xena]
error: Site Error occurred: KeyError
22:22:12 [xena]
- part, pig latin, plexname, poker, quit, quote, raw, register, rfc, rot13
22:22:13 [xena]
- search, seen, server, servers, spell, status, symbol for, terrantime, time, translate
22:22:13 [deltab]
xena does not support proprietary time systems
22:22:14 [xena]
- unixtime, users, weather, webster, when did, whois, wn, zipcode, zope commands
22:22:22 [sbp]
she used to
22:22:26 [deltab]
unless they're tav's
22:23:36 [sbp]
xena, why are you being a little up-suck?
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.excuse
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sbp, monitor vlf leakage
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if she's not careful, I'll bring in inBot
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.unixtime
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1019600818.93
22:34:58 [sbp]
.time UTC
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Apr. 23, 2002 10:34 pm Universal
22:35:11 [sbp]
.isotime
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2002-04-23T22:35:10.889135Z
23:02:30 [Ash]
.ISOTIME
23:07:23 [Morbus]
work, work, work.
23:07:23 [Morbus]
sigh.
23:07:37 [sbp]
heh
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23:29:50 [Ash]
$1 BILLION WASTED ON THE WRONG SERVERS!
23:30:11 [Ash]
I LOVE ADS
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Hello Morbus Iff and welcome to #swhack
23:55:26 [sbp]
previously #thebigwonderfulfunzone
23:55:36 [MorbusIff]
why, thank you. tell me of this place.
23:56:31 [sbp]
well... um. it rocks. I hang out here. deltab has answers for questions you never would have thought existed...
23:57:02 [sbp]
and there's this guy who gives lectures at MIT, and another who writes for O'Reilly
23:57:14 [sbp]
this is a distinguished lot
23:57:22 [MorbusIff]
ew.
23:57:25 [MorbusIff]
i'm wondering if i'm not smart enough for this.
23:58:19 [sbp]
just fake it if not. we have a longstanding joke around here: if you're anything like neo or xoot, then "bwahaha!"
23:58:28 [Ash]
lol, sbp.
23:58:35 [Ash]
MorbusIff: Got any tree files?
23:58:39 [MorbusIff]
heh
23:58:45 [MorbusIff]
uh, tree files?
23:58:48 [MorbusIff]
what are tree files?
23:58:55 [MorbusIff]
I have a tee shell utility. will that work?
23:59:39 [sbp]
yes, you need to run DELTREE to get rid of them