00:00:25 heh: http://www.mirrorproject.com/search/results/?id=1866&term=karl 00:00:58 Karl: "I was walking in the streets of Paris, by a sunny sunday, when I met a group of 4 mannequins who where very nice. We started a talk about the fashion, the mode, and the last tendencies. Such a nice talk in my morning." 00:03:06 ah, another one of the W3C balls: http://www.mirrorproject.com/search/results/?id=3018&term=karl 00:05:54 Gotta run: dinner. 00:08:50 c'ya 00:18:03 tomch has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:18:08 Minor server split and recheck for open proxies. 00:18:46 in other news, if you know how to script lotus notes rather well, contact slade. thanks. 00:19:05 pfft! 00:43:42 is notes even scriptable? 00:46:22 syn|ack has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:49:02 Helpful hints: user mode +C masks off private DCC and CTCP requests and responses to public ones 00:49:34 ooh, OPN tips of the day 00:56:06 yeah, Notes is scriptable, but it seems like a pretty esoteric skill 01:14:44 graphical version of Zooko's Law: http://www.erights.org/elib/capability/images/zooko-triangle.gif 01:14:51 "Zooko's Triangle" 01:18:26 has Sony given up on i.link? "This is Sony's best Firewire drive and it's included free of charge with the VX7." 01:19:19 that's Dynamism talking, not Sony 01:19:29 heh: "No Names Land" 01:23:46 Hm, 270 lines 01:24:10 i guess that's enough for now. i can slideify it tomorrow 01:25:13 http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/outline 01:27:00 Myth: not Artificial Intelligence 01:27:09 [don't tell bijan!] 01:27:15 heh 01:27:17 don't you mean the opposite? 01:27:22 ooh, nice use of @prefix default and tag: 01:27:24 oops, i do 01:27:39 nice gratuitous PhilG mentions 01:27:46 :-) 01:28:03 ahem, "The Semantic Frontier"? :-) 01:28:05 hmmm. should I read it, or wait for the real thing... 01:28:21 where's Ash when we need him? 01:28:22 probably won't make much sense now... 01:28:35 it so is Artificial Intelligence. you just have an extraordinarily slim view of the term "Artificial Intelligence" 01:28:57 sbp: ssh! don't you know that AI == bad? 01:28:59 phrase, rather 01:29:08 So? It's the view that the phrase tends to invoke in most people 01:29:29 "Artificial Intelligence" == computers get really smart and if we're lucky they'll keep us as pets 01:29:36 well, you don't have to mention it and confuse the crap out of the real AI folk 01:29:49 i'll have to clarify that 01:30:09 but i need it in there since philip insists that it is artificial intelligence 01:30:40 he's right! unless he means the thin notion... 01:31:00 .google web consortium as ai laboratory 01:31:01 web consortium as ai laboratory: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/conferences/survey96/cfp.html 01:31:25 ah: http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000tXL&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip 01:31:40 'With the push to build "the semantic Web", i.e., an Internet in which many documents are machine-understandable, the Web Consortium has leapt into the 1960s and the challenge of Artificial Intelligence. Instead of Web Consortium members talking about whether or not to facilitate adding a caption to a photograph, you hear words like "ontology" thrown around. The standards and solutions in this area are so immature that there were hardly even any academic pap 01:31:40 ' 01:32:04 "The bad news is that progress in Web standards, formerly dilatory, may slow to the historical pace of progress in AI (i.e., glacial)." 01:32:07 "academic pap"? 01:32:38 "leapt into the 1960s"; I love it 01:32:38 oops: "The standards and solutions in this area are so immature that there were hardly even any academic papers on the subject, much less practical systems." 01:32:42 well, I guess that just raises some misconceptions about AI... it's a broad field - some bits move slowly, some bits move quickly 01:32:57 What has Uni done to you? You've become an AI drone! 01:33:02 [Or was it bijan...] 01:34:12 heh 01:34:18 it's true though 01:34:42 that doesn't make it any less false! 01:35:21 heh, heh 01:37:26 syn|ack (~glova@kaniere.alchemy.co.nz) has joined #swhack 01:38:53 interesting: http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=231509&prmenbr=126&accessories_cgrfnbr=22&zipcode=&phoneID=&search_string=238320,26&type=All 01:39:32 intresting only if you have too many wires and $50 to spare 01:39:46 since I have neither... 01:39:53 for people with cellular as their only phone 01:40:15 do such people exist? 01:40:20 me 01:59:39 that bijan, always trying to sell my liver. 01:59:55 what? 02:00:06 I'll sell aaron's liver... 02:00:09 Or Aaron's kidneys. ONe up front, one after REC> 02:00:11 and trying to stak me out im an AZ desert 02:00:22 with your eyes stapled 02:00:28 heh, forgot that bit 02:00:35 open or closed? 02:00:41 open 02:01:09 AaronSw's liver is probably in "like new" condition... 02:01:44 "as new, only one previous owner..." 02:02:12 AaronSw: so what do you think of the VX7? 02:02:18 "great for alcaholics, or cannibals" 02:02:35 wmf, it doesn't run Mac OS X 02:02:50 => it sucks? 02:02:57 there is that aspect 02:02:59 wmf 02:03:02 hmm 02:03:21 are y'alright there, wmf? :-) 02:03:30 I'm playing with my IRC client 02:03:57 I think whenever anybody (besides me) says my nick, it puts their nick in a different color 02:04:25 wmf: yes, that is quite common :) 02:04:25 cool 02:23:58 one more time! 02:23:59 Gotta run 02:24:11 Much better. 02:28:10 AaronSw has changed the topic to: 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be 02:30:09 Final lego quote: "These seemingly 'educational' little blocks of connectable fun and happiness have irrevocably brainwashed entire generations of primarily G7 youth into developing mindsets that view the world as unitized, inorganic, interchangeably modular, and populated by bland limbless creatures with cutishly sweet smiles. Responsible for everything from postmodern architecture to middle-class anal behavior over the 'perfect lawn' (symbolic of the green 02:30:39 lol 02:31:07 from Microserfs 02:32:23 and http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/5560/wired1.html 02:33:00 heh, some great quotes at http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~zctlt28/micros.htm 02:44:07 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:24:32 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 03:26:24 * BenSw wonders why AaronSw and sbp are voiced (what are they bots?) 03:26:55 * BenSw shakes fist 03:27:23 ahh thats better 03:28:13 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 03:28:26 wb GabeW 03:28:38 hi BenSw 03:32:06 .time cst 03:32:06 Apr. 21, 2002 10:32 pm US/Central 03:32:35 woo still early 03:51:32 "I lift this clavicle to worlds without number, and bring a new light to the Way, guiding this gate that all may prosper, those who guide and are guided, who light the Way and bask in the light so given....Behold, I open a new world." 03:51:44 Please welcome asimov.openprojects.net in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada! 03:56:18 .google * daterange:2452384-2452384 03:56:19 * daterange:2452384-2452384: http://www.google.com/jobs 03:57:08 gah, there goes my secret 03:57:21 ooh 03:57:31 your secret, deltab? 03:58:00 the one documented at http://www.researchbuzz.com/articles/2002/googledate0422.html ;) 03:58:15 it wasn't when I found it 03:59:16 Of course. 04:06:38 wmf has quit ("[BX] I see your BitchX is as big as mine!") 04:29:12 Nite all. 04:29:21 nite AaronSw 04:29:59 let me know if they uh, catch the aliens, or whatever they do on that show.. 04:30:11 ok 04:39:21 GabeW has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:40:11 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 04:47:02 BenSw has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:58:19 If anyone can help me with a lost password on a SCO 3.2.4.2 box, please /msg me! 05:07:35 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Need to move a couple of servers to try to clean up routing problems from earlier to day. This should go quickly, but one is a very large server, so bear with us. 05:07:58 loggy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:07:58 chumpy has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:07:58 eikeon has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:07:58 AaronSw has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:07:58 sbp has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:07:58 deltab has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:07:58 tansaku_xr has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:08:51 tansaku_xr (~sam@h12-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 05:08:51 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:08:51 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:08:51 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:08:51 chumpy (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 05:08:51 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 05:08:51 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:57:14 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 11:44:47 pixel (~pixel@mail.bhsi.com) has joined #swhack 12:23:08 .time EST 12:23:08 Apr. 22, 2002 8:23 am US/Eastern 12:24:24 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 12:26:32 Hi Ben 12:28:37 ooh, the topic... 12:28:43 .google 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be 12:28:44 no results found. 12:28:49 logster, grep 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be 12:29:33 I'm logging. I found 3 answers for '3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be' 12:29:35 0) 2002-04-22 12:28:49 logster, grep 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be 12:29:36 1) 2002-04-22 12:28:43 .google 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be 12:29:37 2) 2002-04-22 02:28:10 AaronSw has changed the topic to: 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be 12:33:58 Hmm... 12:35:40 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack 12:35:53 well, it's SHA-1 anyway 13:12:49 BenSw has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:29:52 hey there 13:29:59 the topic comes courtesy of danbri 13:32:15 "3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be" is digit:sha1 of parts:1 of mpeg:encoding of movie called "The Phantom Menace" . 13:34:45 arma: yeah... what internet are you living on!? 13:34:45 i live on the one that thinks slashdot is a bunch of dorks not worth listening to ;) 13:36:56 .google how does one go about obtaining free porn on thi computer 13:36:57 how does one go about obtaining free porn on thi computer: http://www.siamweb.org/link.php?ag116,eng 13:36:59 hm 13:37:22 xena bug 13:43:45 today's fortune: 13:43:58 Fred had a black eye upon returning from a dance 13:43:58 > What happened? 13:43:58 I was struck by the beauty of the place. 13:44:22 oh, man... 13:44:45 hey sbp. what a crazy language, eh 13:45:16 'scrazy 13:45:20 what's SvinigKod? 13:45:25 what's crazy? 13:45:31 .google SvinigKod 13:45:32 SvinigKod: http://www.oops.se/cgi-bin/wiki%3FSvinigKod&e=922 13:45:37 there you go 13:45:57 hm, not particularly helpful. 13:46:05 Det vete sjuttsingen. SvinigKod smyger sig på när man minst anar det. 13:46:12 yes it is! "SvinigKod kan undvikas med ParProgrammering." - AnonymFegis 13:46:35 but why would you fight a battle against it? 13:47:07 I guess it rocks in some way 13:47:23 actually, it means "swinish code" 13:47:30 so Perl, I guess 13:48:25 cf. http://xp.c2.com/PeterLindberg.html 13:48:32 [[[ 13:48:32 Hi, Peter. Out of curiosity, what would you call "svinig kod" in English? 13:48:32 The exact translation would be "swinish code", that is code that reeks of CodeSmells. 13:48:33 ]]] 13:50:17 so when you manage to horkulate your code by enborking a bit of it, you can say "oer, my kode is 'whiffy. I ghess I will be 'avin' to fix it, ven" 13:52:40 ah 13:53:33 Hmm... imagine John Cleese saying the quoted line above 13:54:15 Oh man... 14:17:14 Ash (~aaron@166.70.121.2) has joined #swhack 14:22:20 Well gwupple my rancur: it's Ash! 14:22:35 GWUPPLE MY RANCUR! 14:22:37 Heh heh. 14:23:03 ah, how we missed you 14:23:16 HOW WS TEH TRIP?!?!:@ 14:23:30 I can only imagine the state of helplessness and despair the channel must have been going through. 14:23:37 inded 14:23:51 Oh, the trip was great.. I was able to de-cityfy 14:23:57 Plus it's nice and warm down there 14:24:00 we have been much maligned by foreign invaders since you parted our humble company some moons ago 14:24:11 I' 14:24:14 I'll bet 14:24:28 Woah, that sucks. 14:24:33 Foreign invaders are bad :( 14:24:50 they are! see, AaronSw, that's what I've been telling you 14:25:09 well, only when they come to pillage 14:25:22 ah, so i should /kick Ash? 14:25:23 it's alright if they bring goods, money, art, medical services, or food 14:25:32 Hey now, I'm not a foreign invader. 14:25:41 Utah != Foreign Country, despite what you may have heard 14:25:47 :) 14:25:54 crazy 14:25:55 he brings art in the form of TEH NU LANGWIDJ 14:25:55 * Ash cranks up some ska 14:26:24 * Ash plays the ska into #swhack 14:26:29 'scrazy, 'smarvellous, 'sAsh 14:27:52 'ska! 14:28:53 'sterrific if y'ask me, which y'don't 14:29:24 anyway, enough of this primitive and rather immature whimsy. On with the serious work 14:31:02 Heh heh :) 14:39:12 pixel has left #swhack 14:43:36 Ash has changed the topic to: 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be || NO YOU SUCK!!! 14:45:07 yeah?! 14:47:08 hehe 14:47:14 So what's up this morning, sbp? 14:47:52 Hmm... morning was over long long ago 14:47:56 .time BST 14:47:56 Apr. 22, 2002 3:47 pm GMT+1 14:48:22 but this afternoon I've been chatting with people from around the globe, working on takeover plans, and... oops, I've said too much 14:48:55 heh, no... well, it's partly true. anyway, I've mainly just been hacking on my inference engine thingy 14:49:31 hehehe 14:49:33 That's cool. 14:49:39 I'm just starting my day here @ work. 14:49:51 sipping on red bull and surfing the web 14:49:58 what do you work as? undercover detective? sysadmin? 14:49:59 compiling a beta version of xemacs 14:50:06 Sysadmin ;-) 14:50:13 ah, I have XEmacs floating around here somewhere 14:50:34 * sbp doesn't use it much 14:51:02 I use it all the time 14:51:08 excellent programming editor. 14:51:19 you lie! 14:51:25 ha 14:51:26 Nope. 14:51:37 :-) 14:51:50 I should try to edit this Python thingy on it 14:51:53 oh 14:51:56 it's great for using python 14:51:59 * sbp saves, backs up, and loads... 14:52:13 Open a python script and make sure it's in python mode 14:52:19 then do C-c ! 14:52:32 you get a python interpreter in the editor 14:52:40 you can execute regions of code and all sorts of good stuff. 14:53:03 ooh, it knows how much to indent by. bet it's not even in Python mode 14:53:22 ah, no, it is 14:53:30 since it has a "Python" menu up the top. Should have known 14:54:06 ooh, freaky: when I move the page up and down, it moves the cursor 14:54:50 Morbus (morbus@s111.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 14:55:16 [Morbus Iff enters] 14:56:03 [Morbus Iff orders a drink] 14:56:47 BarBot (sbp@m822-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 14:56:50 MORBUS, now tired, walks up to ASH. It's an uneasy saunter, one that tells the audience of drunken binging and horrific sexual encouters. 14:56:53 * BarBot had Morbus a Bud 14:56:54 [Robot bartender hands Morbus a scotch and soda] 14:56:55 SBP enters from stage left 14:57:10 no, not scotch and soda. Bud. 14:57:19 MORBUS takes the scotch and soda. 14:57:33 Homer: Where's my tab? 14:57:36 BarBot has quit (Client Quit) 14:57:51 ASH suddenly transforms into a decepticon, and begins attacking the bar patrons. 14:58:31 eh, heh 14:59:12 i finally got all those fonts, AaronSw. 14:59:23 some of them are corrupted, so they fuck up the os. crashed my finder a few times. 14:59:28 oh, and get FontBook from Lemkesoft. 14:59:28 it rocks. 14:59:42 suitcase is decent too for font management. 14:59:57 i'm still going through all of them, but i've deleted about 100 broken, duplicates, etc.fonts 15:00:42 heh, heh @ topic 15:02:22 tansaku_xr has quit (Connection timed out) 15:02:25 oh sbp, need your opinion: 15:02:25 [[[ 15:02:28 > "Wait, the Mac was easy! They added this old-fangled type-in-the-window 15:02:32 > thing, and now they want me to quack like a programmer?! Bollocks on you. 15:02:32 > I'm tellin' Mom!" 15:02:36 The correct Britishism is "Bollocks to you" :-) 15:02:40 ]]] 15:02:44 I got that over the weekend. thoughts? 15:03:08 barstool is now known as talli 15:04:03 Hmm... I've seen that before, surely 15:04:05 .google "bollocks on you" 15:04:06 "bollocks on you": http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/08/apache_mac_5.html 15:04:28 lol 15:04:28 yeaaaah 15:04:45 whee! 15:04:57 that's so cool 15:05:39 well, i can't change it now. 15:05:39 i've a lock on that term. 15:05:45 at least, until these logs get indexed ;) 15:06:00 heh, heh 15:06:12 even then, the result will probably return the article 15:06:42 since the oreillynet.com URI is more chic, with a distinct elemental overtone of raspberry 15:06:50 oop. 15:06:50 gotta go. 15:06:50 see you in two hours. 15:06:50 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 15:07:13 Pff. Morbii these days 15:08:51 who are you calling wrong, you green turnip?! the incident. the outrageous caricature of a green turnip. elementary! 15:09:13 excuse me... 15:09:32 I meant to say: so, Ash, are you still there? 15:10:35 Yeah 15:10:39 sup? 15:10:56 I'm looking at strut spring compressors online 15:11:13 I was just wondering what your opinion is on the "bollocks (on|to) you" issue 15:11:16 I think I'm going to replace the shocks/struts on my car. 15:11:27 I think it's highly amusing, to be honest 15:11:29 .google TEH STRUT SPRING COMPRESSOR RESORSE! 15:11:30 no results found. 15:11:33 argh 15:12:10 Hmm... suspension gone squishy, has it? 15:12:17 Well, it's been this way for a while. 15:12:18 too much recoil? 15:12:25 supwitit? 15:12:26 heh 15:12:30 bouncy bouncy 15:12:39 plus it tracks the lines in the road 15:12:50 ugh, that's always sucky 15:12:50 which is not cool 15:12:50 hehe 15:13:07 It's at 120K miles so it needs some lovin'. 15:13:22 heh 15:13:24 Um, no. 15:13:24 heh, indeed 15:13:40 you need to find it a lady car 15:15:01 talli has left #swhack 15:26:31 Ash has changed the topic to: 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be || NO YOU SUCK!!! || i hate macs now 15:29:04 sbp has quit (Excess Flood) 15:29:52 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 15:30:22 heh 15:30:51 what I was trying to say... 15:30:58 whee! my CWM clone can parse this:- 15:31:00 [[[ 15:31:04 @prefix : <#> . 15:31:04 @prefix log: . 15:31:08 { ?x :sonOf ?y . ?y :sonOf ?z } 15:31:09 log:implies { ?x :grandfather ?z } . 15:31:12 { ?x :grandfather ?y . ?y :grandfather ?z } 15:31:13 log:implies { ?x :greatGreatGrandfather ?z } . 15:31:17 :Bob :sonOf :Fred . 15:31:17 :Fred :sonOf :John . 15:31:21 :John :sonOf :Wayne . 15:31:22 :Wayne :sonOf :Jim . 15:31:24 ]]] 15:31:30 set it to think, and it gives... 15:31:33 [[[ 15:31:38 . 15:31:38 . 15:31:38 . 15:31:43 . 15:31:43