IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-22

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00:00:25 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.mirrorproject.com/search/results/?id=1866&term=karl
00:00:58 [AaronSw]
Karl: "I was walking in the streets of Paris, by a sunny sunday, when I met a group of 4 mannequins who where very nice. We started a talk about the fashion, the mode, and the last tendencies. Such a nice talk in my morning."
00:03:06 [AaronSw]
ah, another one of the W3C balls: http://www.mirrorproject.com/search/results/?id=3018&term=karl
00:05:54 [AaronSw]
Gotta run: dinner.
00:08:50 [sbp]
c'ya
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00:18:08 [walloper]
<lilo> Minor server split and recheck for open proxies.
00:18:46 [walloper]
<andy> in other news, if you know how to script lotus notes rather well, contact slade. thanks.
00:19:05 [wmf]
pfft!
00:43:42 [AaronSw]
is notes even scriptable?
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00:49:02 [walloper]
<lilo> Helpful hints: user mode +C masks off private DCC and CTCP requests and responses to public ones
00:49:34 [sbp]
ooh, OPN tips of the day
00:56:06 [wmf]
yeah, Notes is scriptable, but it seems like a pretty esoteric skill
01:14:44 [AaronSw]
graphical version of Zooko's Law: http://www.erights.org/elib/capability/images/zooko-triangle.gif
01:14:51 [AaronSw]
"Zooko's Triangle"
01:18:26 [AaronSw]
has Sony given up on i.link? "This is Sony's best Firewire drive and it's included free of charge with the VX7."
01:19:19 [wmf]
that's Dynamism talking, not Sony
01:19:29 [sbp]
heh: "No Names Land"
01:23:46 [AaronSw]
Hm, 270 lines
01:24:10 [AaronSw]
i guess that's enough for now. i can slideify it tomorrow
01:25:13 [AaronSw]
http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/outline
01:27:00 [deltab]
Myth: not Artificial Intelligence
01:27:09 [AaronSw]
[don't tell bijan!]
01:27:15 [wmf]
heh
01:27:17 [deltab]
don't you mean the opposite?
01:27:22 [sbp]
ooh, nice use of @prefix default and tag:
01:27:24 [AaronSw]
oops, i do
01:27:39 [wmf]
nice gratuitous PhilG mentions
01:27:46 [AaronSw]
:-)
01:28:03 [wmf]
ahem, "The Semantic Frontier"? :-)
01:28:05 [davb]
hmmm. should I read it, or wait for the real thing...
01:28:21 [wmf]
where's Ash when we need him?
01:28:22 [AaronSw]
probably won't make much sense now...
01:28:35 [sbp]
it so is Artificial Intelligence. you just have an extraordinarily slim view of the term "Artificial Intelligence"
01:28:57 [wmf]
sbp: ssh! don't you know that AI == bad?
01:28:59 [sbp]
phrase, rather
01:29:08 [AaronSw]
So? It's the view that the phrase tends to invoke in most people
01:29:29 [AaronSw]
"Artificial Intelligence" == computers get really smart and if we're lucky they'll keep us as pets
01:29:36 [sbp]
well, you don't have to mention it and confuse the crap out of the real AI folk
01:29:49 [AaronSw]
i'll have to clarify that
01:30:09 [AaronSw]
but i need it in there since philip insists that it is artificial intelligence
01:30:40 [sbp]
he's right! unless he means the thin notion...
01:31:00 [AaronSw]
.google web consortium as ai laboratory
01:31:01 [xena]
web consortium as ai laboratory: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/conferences/survey96/cfp.html
01:31:25 [AaronSw]
ah: http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=000tXL&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip
01:31:40 [AaronSw]
'With the push to build "the semantic Web", i.e., an Internet in which many documents are machine-understandable, the Web Consortium has leapt into the 1960s and the challenge of Artificial Intelligence. Instead of Web Consortium members talking about whether or not to facilitate adding a caption to a photograph, you hear words like "ontology" thrown around. The standards and solutions in this area are so immature that there were hardly even any academic pap
01:31:40 [AaronSw]
'
01:32:04 [AaronSw]
"The bad news is that progress in Web standards, formerly dilatory, may slow to the historical pace of progress in AI (i.e., glacial)."
01:32:07 [deltab]
"academic pap"?
01:32:38 [wmf]
"leapt into the 1960s"; I love it
01:32:38 [AaronSw]
oops: "The standards and solutions in this area are so immature that there were hardly even any academic papers on the subject, much less practical systems."
01:32:42 [sbp]
well, I guess that just raises some misconceptions about AI... it's a broad field - some bits move slowly, some bits move quickly
01:32:57 [AaronSw]
What has Uni done to you? You've become an AI drone!
01:33:02 [AaronSw]
[Or was it bijan...]
01:34:12 [sbp]
heh
01:34:18 [sbp]
it's true though
01:34:42 [AaronSw]
that doesn't make it any less false!
01:35:21 [sbp]
heh, heh
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01:38:53 [wmf]
interesting: http://commerce.motorola.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=231509&prmenbr=126&accessories_cgrfnbr=22&zipcode=&phoneID=&search_string=238320,26&type=All
01:39:32 [sbp]
intresting only if you have too many wires and $50 to spare
01:39:46 [sbp]
since I have neither...
01:39:53 [wmf]
for people with cellular as their only phone
01:40:15 [sbp]
do such people exist?
01:40:20 [wmf]
me
01:59:39 [AaronSw]
that bijan, always trying to sell my liver.
01:59:55 [wmf]
what?
02:00:06 [AaronSw]
<hBijan> I'll sell aaron's liver...
02:00:09 [AaronSw]
<hBijan> Or Aaron's kidneys. ONe up front, one after REC>
02:00:11 [sbp]
and trying to stak me out im an AZ desert
02:00:22 [AaronSw]
with your eyes stapled
02:00:28 [sbp]
heh, forgot that bit
02:00:35 [davb]
open or closed?
02:00:41 [sbp]
open
02:01:09 [wmf]
AaronSw's liver is probably in "like new" condition...
02:01:44 [sbp]
"as new, only one previous owner..."
02:02:12 [wmf]
AaronSw: so what do you think of the VX7?
02:02:18 [sbp]
"great for alcaholics, or cannibals"
02:02:35 [AaronSw]
wmf, it doesn't run Mac OS X
02:02:50 [sbp]
=> it sucks?
02:02:57 [wmf]
there is that aspect
02:02:59 [wmf]
wmf
02:03:02 [wmf]
hmm
02:03:21 [sbp]
are y'alright there, wmf? :-)
02:03:30 [wmf]
I'm playing with my IRC client
02:03:57 [wmf]
I think whenever anybody (besides me) says my nick, it puts their nick in a different color
02:04:25 [syn|ack]
wmf: yes, that is quite common :)
02:04:25 [sbp]
cool
02:23:58 [sbp]
one more time!
02:23:59 [sbp]
Gotta run
02:24:11 [AaronSw]
Much better.
02:28:10 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be
02:30:09 [AaronSw]
Final lego quote: "These seemingly 'educational' little blocks of connectable fun and happiness have irrevocably brainwashed entire generations of primarily G7 youth into developing mindsets that view the world as unitized, inorganic, interchangeably modular, and populated by bland limbless creatures with cutishly sweet smiles. Responsible for everything from postmodern architecture to middle-class anal behavior over the 'perfect lawn' (symbolic of the green
02:30:39 [wmf]
lol
02:31:07 [AaronSw]
from Microserfs
02:32:23 [AaronSw]
and http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/5560/wired1.html
02:33:00 [AaronSw]
heh, some great quotes at http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~zctlt28/micros.htm
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03:26:24 [BenSw]
* BenSw wonders why AaronSw and sbp are voiced (what are they bots?)
03:26:55 [BenSw]
* BenSw shakes fist
03:27:23 [BenSw]
ahh thats better
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03:28:26 [BenSw]
wb GabeW
03:28:38 [GabeW]
hi BenSw
03:32:06 [BenSw]
.time cst
03:32:06 [xena]
Apr. 21, 2002 10:32 pm US/Central
03:32:35 [BenSw]
woo still early
03:51:32 [walloper]
<lilo> "I lift this clavicle to worlds without number, and bring a new light to the Way, guiding this gate that all may prosper, those who guide and are guided, who light the Way and bask in the light so given....Behold, I open a new world."
03:51:44 [walloper]
<lilo> Please welcome asimov.openprojects.net in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada!
03:56:18 [AaronSw]
.google * daterange:2452384-2452384
03:56:19 [xena]
* daterange:2452384-2452384: http://www.google.com/jobs
03:57:08 [deltab]
gah, there goes my secret
03:57:21 [GabeW]
ooh
03:57:31 [AaronSw]
your secret, deltab?
03:58:00 [AaronSw]
the one documented at http://www.researchbuzz.com/articles/2002/googledate0422.html ;)
03:58:15 [deltab]
it wasn't when I found it
03:59:16 [AaronSw]
Of course.
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04:29:12 [AaronSw]
Nite all.
04:29:21 [GabeW]
nite AaronSw
04:29:59 [AaronSw]
let me know if they uh, catch the aliens, or whatever they do on that show..
04:30:11 [GabeW]
ok
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04:58:19 [walloper]
<spiceurk> If anyone can help me with a lost password on a SCO 3.2.4.2 box, please /msg me!
05:07:35 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Need to move a couple of servers to try to clean up routing problems from earlier to day. This should go quickly, but one is a very large server, so bear with us.
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12:23:08 [sbp]
.time EST
12:23:08 [xena]
Apr. 22, 2002 8:23 am US/Eastern
12:24:24 [BenSw]
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12:26:32 [sbp]
Hi Ben
12:28:37 [sbp]
ooh, the topic...
12:28:43 [sbp]
.google 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be
12:28:44 [xena]
no results found.
12:28:49 [sbp]
logster, grep 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be
12:29:33 [logster]
I'm logging. I found 3 answers for '3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be'
12:29:35 [logster]
0) 2002-04-22 12:28:49 <sbp> logster, grep 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be
12:29:36 [logster]
1) 2002-04-22 12:28:43 <sbp> .google 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be
12:29:37 [logster]
2) 2002-04-22 02:28:10 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be
12:33:58 [sbp]
Hmm...
12:35:40 [davb]
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12:35:53 [sbp]
well, it's SHA-1 anyway
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13:29:52 [AaronSw]
hey there
13:29:59 [AaronSw]
the topic comes courtesy of danbri
13:32:15 [AaronSw]
"3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be" is digit:sha1 of parts:1 of mpeg:encoding of movie called "The Phantom Menace" .
13:34:45 [AaronSw]
<burton> arma: yeah... what internet are you living on!?
13:34:45 [AaronSw]
<arma> i live on the one that thinks slashdot is a bunch of dorks not worth listening to ;)
13:36:56 [AaronSw]
.google how does one go about obtaining free porn on thi computer
13:36:57 [xena]
how does one go about obtaining free porn on thi computer: http://www.siamweb.org/link.php?ag116,eng
13:36:59 [AaronSw]
hm
13:37:22 [AaronSw]
xena bug
13:43:45 [AaronSw]
today's fortune:
13:43:58 [AaronSw]
Fred had a black eye upon returning from a dance
13:43:58 [AaronSw]
> What happened?
13:43:58 [AaronSw]
I was struck by the beauty of the place.
13:44:22 [sbp]
oh, man...
13:44:45 [AaronSw]
hey sbp. what a crazy language, eh
13:45:16 [sbp]
'scrazy
13:45:20 [AaronSw]
what's SvinigKod?
13:45:25 [sbp]
what's crazy?
13:45:31 [sbp]
.google SvinigKod
13:45:32 [xena]
SvinigKod: http://www.oops.se/cgi-bin/wiki%3FSvinigKod&e=922
13:45:37 [sbp]
there you go
13:45:57 [AaronSw]
hm, not particularly helpful.
13:46:05 [AaronSw]
Det vete sjuttsingen. SvinigKod smyger sig på när man minst anar det.
13:46:12 [sbp]
yes it is! "SvinigKod kan undvikas med ParProgrammering." - AnonymFegis
13:46:35 [AaronSw]
but why would you fight a battle against it?
13:47:07 [sbp]
I guess it rocks in some way
13:47:23 [sbp]
actually, it means "swinish code"
13:47:30 [sbp]
so Perl, I guess
13:48:25 [sbp]
cf. http://xp.c2.com/PeterLindberg.html
13:48:32 [sbp]
[[[
13:48:32 [sbp]
Hi, Peter. Out of curiosity, what would you call "svinig kod" in English?
13:48:32 [sbp]
The exact translation would be "swinish code", that is code that reeks of CodeSmells.
13:48:33 [sbp]
]]]
13:50:17 [sbp]
so when you manage to horkulate your code by enborking a bit of it, you can say "oer, my kode is 'whiffy. I ghess I will be 'avin' to fix it, ven"
13:52:40 [AaronSw]
ah
13:53:33 [sbp]
Hmm... imagine John Cleese saying the quoted line above
13:54:15 [AaronSw]
Oh man...
14:17:14 [Ash]
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14:22:20 [sbp]
Well gwupple my rancur: it's Ash!
14:22:35 [Ash]
GWUPPLE MY RANCUR!
14:22:37 [Ash]
Heh heh.
14:23:03 [sbp]
ah, how we missed you
14:23:16 [sbp]
HOW WS TEH TRIP?!?!:@
14:23:30 [Ash]
I can only imagine the state of helplessness and despair the channel must have been going through.
14:23:37 [sbp]
inded
14:23:51 [Ash]
Oh, the trip was great.. I was able to de-cityfy
14:23:57 [Ash]
Plus it's nice and warm down there
14:24:00 [sbp]
we have been much maligned by foreign invaders since you parted our humble company some moons ago
14:24:11 [sbp]
I'
14:24:14 [sbp]
I'll bet
14:24:28 [Ash]
Woah, that sucks.
14:24:33 [Ash]
Foreign invaders are bad :(
14:24:50 [sbp]
they are! see, AaronSw, that's what I've been telling you
14:25:09 [sbp]
well, only when they come to pillage
14:25:22 [AaronSw]
ah, so i should /kick Ash?
14:25:23 [sbp]
it's alright if they bring goods, money, art, medical services, or food
14:25:32 [Ash]
Hey now, I'm not a foreign invader.
14:25:41 [Ash]
Utah != Foreign Country, despite what you may have heard
14:25:47 [Ash]
:)
14:25:54 [AaronSw]
crazy
14:25:55 [sbp]
he brings art in the form of TEH NU LANGWIDJ
14:25:55 [Ash]
* Ash cranks up some ska
14:26:24 [Ash]
* Ash plays the ska into #swhack
14:26:29 [sbp]
'scrazy, 'smarvellous, 'sAsh
14:27:52 [sbp]
'ska!
14:28:53 [sbp]
'sterrific if y'ask me, which y'don't
14:29:24 [sbp]
anyway, enough of this primitive and rather immature whimsy. On with the serious work
14:31:02 [Ash]
Heh heh :)
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14:43:36 [Ash]
Ash has changed the topic to: 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be || <RMS> NO YOU SUCK!!!
14:45:07 [sbp]
yeah?!
14:47:08 [Ash]
hehe
14:47:14 [Ash]
So what's up this morning, sbp?
14:47:52 [sbp]
Hmm... morning was over long long ago
14:47:56 [sbp]
.time BST
14:47:56 [xena]
Apr. 22, 2002 3:47 pm GMT+1
14:48:22 [sbp]
but this afternoon I've been chatting with people from around the globe, working on takeover plans, and... oops, I've said too much
14:48:55 [sbp]
heh, no... well, it's partly true. anyway, I've mainly just been hacking on my inference engine thingy
14:49:31 [Ash]
hehehe
14:49:33 [Ash]
That's cool.
14:49:39 [Ash]
I'm just starting my day here @ work.
14:49:51 [Ash]
sipping on red bull and surfing the web
14:49:58 [sbp]
what do you work as? undercover detective? sysadmin?
14:49:59 [Ash]
compiling a beta version of xemacs
14:50:06 [Ash]
Sysadmin ;-)
14:50:13 [sbp]
ah, I have XEmacs floating around here somewhere
14:50:34 [sbp]
* sbp doesn't use it much
14:51:02 [Ash]
I use it all the time
14:51:08 [Ash]
excellent programming editor.
14:51:19 [sbp]
you lie!
14:51:25 [Ash]
ha
14:51:26 [Ash]
Nope.
14:51:37 [sbp]
:-)
14:51:50 [sbp]
I should try to edit this Python thingy on it
14:51:53 [Ash]
oh
14:51:56 [Ash]
it's great for using python
14:51:59 [sbp]
* sbp saves, backs up, and loads...
14:52:13 [Ash]
Open a python script and make sure it's in python mode
14:52:19 [Ash]
then do C-c !
14:52:32 [Ash]
you get a python interpreter in the editor
14:52:40 [Ash]
you can execute regions of code and all sorts of good stuff.
14:53:03 [sbp]
ooh, it knows how much to indent by. bet it's not even in Python mode
14:53:22 [sbp]
ah, no, it is
14:53:30 [sbp]
since it has a "Python" menu up the top. Should have known
14:54:06 [sbp]
ooh, freaky: when I move the page up and down, it moves the cursor
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[Morbus Iff enters]
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[Morbus Iff orders a drink]
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14:56:50 [Morbus]
MORBUS, now tired, walks up to ASH. It's an uneasy saunter, one that tells the audience of drunken binging and horrific sexual encouters.
14:56:53 [BarBot]
* BarBot had Morbus a Bud
14:56:54 [Ash]
[Robot bartender hands Morbus a scotch and soda]
14:56:55 [Morbus]
SBP enters from stage left
14:57:10 [BarBot]
no, not scotch and soda. Bud.
14:57:19 [Morbus]
MORBUS takes the scotch and soda.
14:57:33 [sbp]
Homer: Where's my tab?
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14:57:51 [Ash]
ASH suddenly transforms into a decepticon, and begins attacking the bar patrons.
14:58:31 [Morbus]
eh, heh
14:59:12 [Morbus]
i finally got all those fonts, AaronSw.
14:59:23 [Morbus]
some of them are corrupted, so they fuck up the os. crashed my finder a few times.
14:59:28 [Morbus]
oh, and get FontBook from Lemkesoft.
14:59:28 [Morbus]
it rocks.
14:59:42 [Morbus]
suitcase is decent too for font management.
14:59:57 [Morbus]
i'm still going through all of them, but i've deleted about 100 broken, duplicates, etc.fonts
15:00:42 [Morbus]
heh, heh @ topic
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15:02:25 [Morbus]
oh sbp, need your opinion:
15:02:25 [Morbus]
[[[
15:02:28 [Morbus]
> "Wait, the Mac was easy! They added this old-fangled type-in-the-window
15:02:32 [Morbus]
> thing, and now they want me to quack like a programmer?! Bollocks on you.
15:02:32 [Morbus]
> I'm tellin' Mom!"
15:02:36 [Morbus]
The correct Britishism is "Bollocks to you" :-)
15:02:40 [Morbus]
]]]
15:02:44 [Morbus]
I got that over the weekend. thoughts?
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15:04:03 [sbp]
Hmm... I've seen that before, surely
15:04:05 [sbp]
.google "bollocks on you"
15:04:06 [xena]
"bollocks on you": http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/08/apache_mac_5.html
15:04:28 [Morbus]
lol
15:04:28 [Morbus]
yeaaaah
15:04:45 [sbp]
whee!
15:04:57 [Morbus]
that's so cool
15:05:39 [Morbus]
well, i can't change it now.
15:05:39 [Morbus]
i've a lock on that term.
15:05:45 [Morbus]
at least, until these logs get indexed ;)
15:06:00 [sbp]
heh, heh
15:06:12 [sbp]
even then, the result will probably return the article
15:06:42 [sbp]
since the oreillynet.com URI is more chic, with a distinct elemental overtone of raspberry
15:06:50 [Morbus]
oop.
15:06:50 [Morbus]
gotta go.
15:06:50 [Morbus]
see you in two hours.
15:06:50 [Morbus]
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15:07:13 [sbp]
Pff. Morbii these days
15:08:51 [sbp]
who are you calling wrong, you green turnip?! the incident. the outrageous caricature of a green turnip. elementary!
15:09:13 [sbp]
excuse me...
15:09:32 [sbp]
I meant to say: so, Ash, are you still there?
15:10:35 [Ash]
Yeah
15:10:39 [Ash]
sup?
15:10:56 [Ash]
I'm looking at strut spring compressors online
15:11:13 [sbp]
I was just wondering what your opinion is on the "bollocks (on|to) you" issue
15:11:16 [Ash]
I think I'm going to replace the shocks/struts on my car.
15:11:27 [Ash]
I think it's highly amusing, to be honest
15:11:29 [sbp]
.google TEH STRUT SPRING COMPRESSOR RESORSE!
15:11:30 [xena]
no results found.
15:11:33 [sbp]
argh
15:12:10 [sbp]
Hmm... suspension gone squishy, has it?
15:12:17 [Ash]
Well, it's been this way for a while.
15:12:18 [sbp]
too much recoil?
15:12:25 [sbp]
supwitit?
15:12:26 [Ash]
heh
15:12:30 [Ash]
bouncy bouncy
15:12:39 [Ash]
plus it tracks the lines in the road
15:12:50 [sbp]
ugh, that's always sucky
15:12:50 [Ash]
which is not cool
15:12:50 [Ash]
hehe
15:13:07 [Ash]
It's at 120K miles so it needs some lovin'.
15:13:22 [Ash]
heh
15:13:24 [Ash]
Um, no.
15:13:24 [sbp]
heh, indeed
15:13:40 [sbp]
you need to find it a lady car
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Ash has changed the topic to: 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be || <RMS> NO YOU SUCK!!! || <xoot> i hate macs now
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15:30:22 [sbp]
heh
15:30:51 [sbp]
what I was trying to say...
15:30:58 [sbp]
<sbp> whee! my CWM clone can parse this:-
15:31:00 [sbp]
[[[
15:31:04 [sbp]
@prefix : <#> .
15:31:04 [sbp]
@prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#> .
15:31:08 [sbp]
{ ?x :sonOf ?y . ?y :sonOf ?z }
15:31:09 [sbp]
log:implies { ?x :grandfather ?z } .
15:31:12 [sbp]
{ ?x :grandfather ?y . ?y :grandfather ?z }
15:31:13 [sbp]
log:implies { ?x :greatGreatGrandfather ?z } .
15:31:17 [sbp]
:Bob :sonOf :Fred .
15:31:17 [sbp]
:Fred :sonOf :John .
15:31:21 [sbp]
:John :sonOf :Wayne .
15:31:22 [sbp]
:Wayne :sonOf :Jim .
15:31:24 [sbp]
]]]
15:31:30 [sbp]
<sbp> set it to think, and it gives...
15:31:33 [sbp]
[[[
15:31:38 [sbp]
<test3.n3#Bob> <test3.n3#sonOf> <test3.n3#Fred> .
15:31:38 [sbp]
<test3.n3#Fred> <test3.n3#sonOf> <test3.n3#John> .
15:31:38 [sbp]
<test3.n3#John> <test3.n3#sonOf> <test3.n3#Wayne> .
15:31:43 [sbp]
<test3.n3#Wayne> <test3.n3#sonOf> <test3.n3#Jim> .
15:31:43 [sbp]
<test3.n3#Bob> <test3.n3#grandfather> <test3.n3#John> .
15:31:43 [sbp]
<test3.n3#Fred> <test3.n3#grandfather> <test3.n3#Wayne> .
15:31:48 [sbp]
<test3.n3#John> <test3.n3#grandfather> <test3.n3#Jim> .
15:31:48 [sbp]
<test3.n3#Bob> <test3.n3#greatGreatGrandfather> <test3.n3#Jim> .
15:31:49 [sbp]
]]]
15:33:24 [Ash]
heh
15:34:33 [sbp]
I think my connection stalled and then tried to send the whole lot or something
15:34:44 [Ash]
* Ash floods sbp
15:55:32 [lfcuser]
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lfcuser has changed the topic to: 3ffbecf36520245ecb6aff020a3d2f22813ad7be
15:57:36 [lfcuser]
AaronSw, @@write up earthday google logo
15:58:42 [sbp]
EepII, Eep][, the API formerly known as Eep, Eep^2, Eep-Eep, Eep**2, Eep++, er...
15:59:14 [lfcuser]
infogami!
15:59:25 [sbp]
infogami is the other branch
16:00:00 [lfcuser]
whoa, ie6 on XP is weird. i click some weird sticky-note looking thing and it tries to install microsoft profession ++ cool thing 99
16:00:08 [sbp]
I'm not even sure how one would go about writing a CWM clone on infogami - does it know anything about formulae?
16:00:15 [sbp]
heh!
16:00:25 [lfcuser]
you can teach it formulae...
16:00:44 [sbp]
ooh, is it a neural net? :-)
16:00:57 [lfcuser]
add a scope to the vars, create a formulae class containing triples or something
16:01:04 [sbp]
heh, sit there for an hour saying "a pencil is not a pen! not a pen!"
16:01:19 [lfcuser]
neural net: that chapter is coming up ;)
16:01:26 [lfcuser]
I'm on Bayesian Networks now
16:01:31 [sbp]
cool
16:03:04 [lfcuser]
heh: "Taking the 'R' out of free"
16:03:09 [sbp]
heh!
16:03:17 [lfcuser]
had another RMS dream last night.
16:04:20 [lfcuser]
lfcuser is now known as AaronSw`
16:04:32 [AaronSw`]
@@ change nick back when done
16:05:00 [sbp]
we need @@bot!
16:05:06 [sbp]
@@ write @@bot
16:05:55 [AaronSw`]
y'mean like RRSAgnt?
16:06:06 [AaronSw`]
.google rrsagent
16:06:06 [xena]
rrsagent: http://www.w3.org/2001/05/24-dspace-irc
16:06:17 [AaronSw`]
hm, too bad rrsagent docs are member-only
16:07:15 [AaronSw`]
this 'redirect if you can't find the page' thing in IE is a major privacy invasion
16:07:33 [AaronSw`]
and this 'let's randomly fade the menu bars' is mega annoying
16:09:43 [sbp]
* sbp listens to RIB
16:14:05 [AaronSw`]
heh, the NYT covers Get your war on: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/21/fashion/21REES.html
16:19:34 [AaronSw`]
* AaronSw` turns on cleartype, eyes begin watering
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* lfcuser heads off
16:22:22 [lfcuser]
ya
16:22:22 [sbp]
c'ya
16:22:26 [lfcuser]
ta. laters
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16:29:59 [sbp]
Hmm... the N3 parser is slow for more than 1000 triples
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16:33:06 [sbp]
Hmph... it's checking for duplicates that does it. I need a more efficient system
16:42:00 [sbp]
hooray! using the dictionary system to store triples really speeds it up
16:42:03 [sbp]
that's so neat
16:45:56 [sbp]
cool, it even beats CWM by 5 seconds for 7000+ triples
16:46:10 [sbp]
New API: 22.580000042915344; CWM: 27.240000009536743
16:49:32 [sbp]
wow, and now the parser on redmonk's test runs in just 0.07 seconds
16:50:01 [sbp]
it used to take over half a second
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17:19:15 [MorbusIff]
bah. my head hurts already.
17:25:11 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw grabs FontBook
17:27:19 [AaronSw]
ooh, fontbook looks neat. oops, it crashed
17:27:24 [AaronSw]
oh, no it was just being slow
17:27:33 [AaronSw]
nice!
17:28:15 [AaronSw]
Heh, that lfcuser dude is always so childish.
17:30:34 [AaronSw]
MorbusIff!
17:40:16 [MorbusIff]
hey AaronSw :)
17:40:18 [MorbusIff]
yeah, isn't fontbook nice?
17:40:25 [MorbusIff]
the number of ways you can layout fonts is insane.
17:40:29 [AaronSw]
yeah
17:40:31 [MorbusIff]
"70 per page" is great for printing.
17:40:47 [MorbusIff]
suitcase is a good activator/deactivator too.
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17:41:37 [davb]
* davb is jealous of the people who have real font management....
17:41:54 [Morbus]
ehy's that?
17:42:32 [davb]
I am stuck in windows-land
17:43:06 [Morbus]
suitcase is available for windows :)
17:43:20 [Morbus]
http://www.extensis.com/suitcase/
17:43:39 [davb]
coool.
17:44:28 [davb]
hey, windows is a suitcase behind! :)
17:44:37 [Morbus]
hehehehe.
17:44:44 [Morbus]
you can't have everything, you know ;)
17:45:40 [davb]
yeah. I am saving up for a real computer.
17:47:00 [Morbus]
ah. well, in that case, the quicker you save, the quicker you can :)
18:28:07 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Boston Trip is Tomorrow!
18:29:15 [AaronSw]
i had this idea that i should try and take a photo each day, and stick it on my weblog
18:30:40 [Morbus]
boston?
18:30:43 [Morbus]
you should come visit me.
18:31:34 [AaronSw]
you should come visit me
18:34:10 [AaronSw]
maybe eikeon can pick you up on his way down ;)
18:36:02 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
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18:47:44 [AaronSw]
Hm. How to get back to airport.
18:48:12 [AaronSw]
davb, what are you going to be doing then?
18:48:27 [davb]
at the social I think :)
18:48:28 [AaronSw]
I guess I could just take the T.
18:48:35 [davb]
how far is the airport?
18:49:06 [AaronSw]
i think it's about half an hour
18:49:26 [davb]
ah. what time do you need to be there?
18:49:56 [AaronSw]
well, plane leaves at 7p, and you're supposed to be an hour early...
18:50:35 [davb]
I might not be the best bet though.. I am not at all familiar with boston. I get lost every time :)
18:51:07 [AaronSw]
heh. boston's crazy for driving
18:52:32 [AaronSw]
what are you doing between the class and the social?
18:52:52 [davb]
usually what we do it go "oh, there was the exit" and proceed to drive completly around the city trying to get back to it
18:52:55 [davb]
I am not sure.
18:53:04 [AaronSw]
driving story: :-)
18:53:19 [davb]
oh yeah, repeat 2-3 times usually.
18:53:35 [davb]
until we finally espace the city. after that its a piece of cake.
18:53:54 [redmonk]
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hello
18:54:28 [AaronSw]
hey redmonk
18:54:40 [redmonk]
yo asw
18:54:42 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Boston Trip is Tomorrow! | http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/bostonTrip
18:54:53 [redmonk]
cool
18:55:26 [AaronSw]
hm, maybe in between I can grab Nada and we can all go grab some ice cream and hang out
18:55:47 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw translates to 24-hr time to see if nada is free
18:55:59 [davb]
spiffy. vinod is supposed to show up also.
18:56:06 [AaronSw]
ooh
18:56:22 [AaronSw]
looks like nada gets out at 17... 5p
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* AaronSw emails nada
20:25:25 [sbp]
Hmm... something's gone astray in http://www.w3.org/2002/04/earl1-0.rdf
20:25:29 [sbp]
missing a ? on the XML prolog
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20:34:27 [AaronSw]
lol: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200105/df20010528.jpg
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20:38:14 [sbp]
lol!
20:38:21 [sbp]
that's great
20:38:25 [AaronSw]
:-)
20:38:26 [AaronSw]
argh, stupid Apache!
20:38:35 [AaronSw]
Morbus, http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200105/df20010528.jpg
20:39:24 [MorbusIff]
hehehehe
20:39:31 [MorbusIff]
that's funny.
20:39:34 [MorbusIff]
stupid Apache? what's up?
20:39:43 [AaronSw]
it keeps saying: [error] user aaronsw not found: /
20:39:45 [Ash]
STUPID APACHE
20:39:46 [AaronSw]
when i try to log in
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20:39:48 [Ash]
I have one of those too
20:39:48 [sbp]
oh, like you know anything about Apache...
20:39:53 [Ash]
apache-stupid.tgz
20:40:13 [Morbus]
huh? log on to where? an auth'd page, or your OS X account?
20:40:29 [AaronSw]
i'm trying to access an authd page with webdav
20:40:54 [Morbus]
oh. i dunno much about webdav.
20:42:19 [Ash]
[Mon Apr 22 14:17:41 2002] [crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.168.0.17 port 80
20:42:20 [Ash]
WTF
20:42:22 [Ash]
die apache!
20:42:31 [sbp]
the Apache?
20:42:38 [AaronSw]
i think it's the same as any auth'd page, Morbus
20:42:40 [sbp]
Ash has gone all German on us
20:42:55 [Ash]
Nothing appears to be running on port 80
20:42:57 [Ash]
grr!
20:43:04 [Morbus]
AaronSw, in which case, your .htpasswd either isn't being found, its' corrupted, or the pw is indeed incorrect.
20:43:35 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries creating .htpasswd again
20:44:29 [AaronSw]
nope, no luck
20:45:00 [AaronSw]
does this look right?
20:45:00 [AaronSw]
AuthType Basic
20:45:00 [AaronSw]
AuthName "WebDAV Edit"
20:45:00 [AaronSw]
AuthUserFile /var/www/.htpasswd
20:45:00 [AaronSw]
Require user aaronsw
20:46:05 [Morbus]
yeah, that looks right.
20:46:11 [Morbus]
does it work NOT using webdav?
20:46:56 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries... nope
20:49:43 [AaronSw]
any ideas?
20:49:57 [AaronSw]
maybe i should put it in a .htaccess
20:50:47 [deltab]
got AllowOverride set to allow that to take effect?
20:51:08 [AaronSw]
I think so. .htaccess auth has worked for me before on this server.
20:53:06 [AaronSw]
/var/www/.htaccess: DAV not allowed here
20:53:19 [AaronSw]
.dns 194.222.132.205
20:53:21 [xena]
194.222.132.205 - beebware.demon.co.uk
20:53:39 [AaronSw]
hm, same problem: [error] user aaronsw not found: /
20:54:58 [deltab]
what's that about beebware?
20:55:16 [AaronSw]
someone from beebare was trying to access the pages i had password protected
20:55:25 [deltab]
ah
20:56:21 [AaronSw]
ooh, now my other password-auth thing isn't working either
20:56:32 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
20:56:47 [sbp]
Gotta run
20:56:48 [AaronSw]
should anon_auth_module be enabled?
20:56:52 [deltab]
can the webserver user access the .htpasswd file?
20:56:55 [Morbus]
AaronSw: nope.
20:57:20 [AaronSw]
i have a feeling that this stupid webdav script ruined the relevant part of my config
20:58:14 [deltab]
diff against your backup
20:58:33 [AaronSw]
ah, good idea
21:01:33 [AaronSw]
should sys_auth_module be enabled?
21:01:40 [AaronSw]
how about digest_module?
21:01:56 [Morbus]
nope.
21:02:43 [AaronSw]
to both?
21:03:58 [Morbus]
yup
21:04:25 [AaronSw]
that's probably it, then
21:05:01 [Morbus]
the only one that needs to be on is auth_access, I believe (from memory).
21:07:24 [AaronSw]
how do i turn off auth for just the index page in that dir?
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21:09:42 [AaronSw]
woo! it works!
21:09:44 [AaronSw]
how do i turn off auth for just the index page in that dir?
21:10:03 [MorbusIff]
<Files>
21:14:04 [AaronSw]
how do you turn off a Require?
21:14:42 [MorbusIff]
I think you'll have to do something like <Files !index.html>
21:14:50 [MorbusIff]
and then stick your require in there.
21:14:50 [AaronSw]
ah
21:15:05 [MorbusIff]
i can't remember if the ! works how you want it though. you'll have to fiddle.
21:16:21 [Ash]
PLZ STOP
21:16:24 [Ash]
LINUX DIE PLZ
21:16:27 [Ash]
PLZ!!!
21:21:53 [AaronSw]
hm, nope that doesn't work since they're visiting / it doesn't register as index*
21:23:20 [AaronSw]
Ah, I guess I want Location
21:24:30 [AaronSw]
.dns 68.10.31.209
21:24:31 [xena]
68.10.31.209 - ip68-10-31-209.hr.hr.cox.net
21:29:04 [AaronSw]
argh, location is letting everything thru
21:31:07 [AaronSw]
ok, now it's really working
22:00:20 [AaronSw]
Overheard:
22:00:24 [AaronSw]
> I don't trust you!
22:00:30 [AaronSw]
Yes you do...
22:00:38 [AaronSw]
> I do... no wait -- I don't trust you!
22:01:02 [sbp]
you didn't overhear that, surely?
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22:01:16 [AaronSw]
Why not?
22:01:53 [sbp]
argh. play along, now!
22:02:05 [AaronSw]
Yes I did.
22:02:29 [sbp]
Yes, you... no wait - no you didn't!
22:02:32 [sbp]
thanks :-)
22:02:41 [sbp]
you have to humour me from time to time
22:04:07 [AaronSw]
:-)
22:04:17 [AaronSw]
In those cases I just do my little <sbp> thing and make you say it for me.
22:04:37 [sbp]
heh, I was just about to do that for you, but then you spoke!
22:09:43 [sbp]
ugh, the parsing time just went up to 35 seconds since I have to make a list of the damn variables. argh
22:11:04 [sbp]
Hmm... actually, I'm serializing as N3, which probably adds a bit
22:11:24 [sbp]
ah, 24.11. not too bad
22:14:58 [Morbus]
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wb Morb
22:16:31 [Morbus]
home now
22:16:37 [sbp]
good
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22:20:29 [AaronSw]
i'm really annoyed. my camera to computer cable disappeared
22:20:45 [Morbus]
Ben.
22:20:56 [AaronSw]
I already asked him.
22:21:04 [AaronSw]
And Noah.
22:21:10 [Morbus]
told sbp and i last week
22:21:14 [Morbus]
something bout
22:21:19 [Morbus]
"getting you back"
22:21:25 [Morbus]
i dunno.
22:21:27 [AaronSw]
hm
22:21:47 [Morbus]
* Morbus giggles.
22:23:05 [Morbus]
whoo. two hands!
22:23:10 [Morbus]
i can spreadmirth and mayhem twice as fast now!
22:23:33 [Morbus]
five days and 3 hours worth of mp3s. whee.
22:24:08 [AaronSw]
i've only two days
22:24:29 [Morbus]
goddamn, my head hurts.
22:24:34 [Morbus]
2108 songs.
22:24:42 [AaronSw]
go Debian! http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,51994,00.html
22:35:05 [AaronSw]
.time est
22:35:05 [xena]
Apr. 22, 2002 6:35 pm US/Eastern
22:35:09 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw sets his watch
22:35:30 [sbp]
when are you leaving?
22:35:42 [sbp]
and when is it; is anyone taping it?
22:36:42 [AaronSw]
i'm leaving tomorrow morning, it's tomorrow afternoon, eikeon volunteered to tape it
22:36:48 [AaronSw]
that reminds me, i need to get my camcorder
22:36:53 [Morbus]
* Morbus goes through some of these fonts.
22:37:01 [sbp]
say hi to J and eikeon for me
22:37:06 [AaronSw]
will do
22:37:11 [sbp]
don't forget! :-)
22:37:36 [sbp]
such a shame that I can't get there...
22:52:18 [AaronSw]
It is indeed.
22:52:30 [AaronSw]
Maybe someday I'll lecture in Brighton. ;-)
22:52:40 [AaronSw]
be the new timbl fill-in
22:56:59 [AaronSw]
Hm, 96 minutes of tape.
22:57:09 [AaronSw]
should work
22:58:18 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw charges battery
22:59:11 [deltab]
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22:59:27 [AaronSw]
whoa, where'd deltab go
22:59:53 [AaronSw]
wow, i've got quite a mound of equipment
23:01:17 [AaronSw]
to the recorder: use the built in screen, not the flipy-flopy one
23:01:27 [deltab]
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23:01:30 [AaronSw]
s/recorder/cameraman/
23:01:39 [AaronSw]
wb, deltab
23:05:50 [AaronSw]
I better start on my slides.
23:06:04 [AaronSw]
any CSS suggestions, sbp?
23:07:44 [tomch]
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23:08:12 [sbp]
Hi ton
23:08:15 [sbp]
er... Tom
23:08:38 [tomch]
hi
23:08:39 [sbp]
CSS suggestions?
23:09:05 [AaronSw]
for slides
23:09:42 [AaronSw]
i.e. some CSS to use for my slide HTML
23:10:08 [sbp]
nope. I've not had to prepare any slides yet :-) the W3C slides are fairly usable, so maybe you could derive a stylesheet from them
23:10:21 [AaronSw]
They have too much gunk in them.
23:11:22 [tomch]
Opera.com once had examples of slides with XHTML, maybe they have some nice CSS
23:12:05 [tomch]
*shrug*
23:12:13 [AaronSw]
Good idea... let me look
23:12:36 [AaronSw]
neat, they use page-break-before
23:16:02 [AaronSw]
to break slides, i mean
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23:18:32 [AaronSw]
Gotta run: dinner
23:19:18 [sbp]
c'ya
23:59:13 [sbp]
heh, my clock updated itself and so a test completed itself 6.2100000381469727 seconds before it even started
23:59:59 [deltab]
what OS?