IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-21

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01:05:19 [sbp]
hooray!
01:05:35 [sbp]
I just wrote another query engine, and it passes all of the Eep tests...
01:05:47 [sbp]
...now I'm hoping that it'll pass redmonk's test
01:12:34 [sbp]
it worked!!!
01:13:42 [sbp]
* sbp checks to make sure it gives fairly coherant results
01:15:33 [sbp]
Hmm... there's a mild descrepancy in the length of the results
01:15:46 [sbp]
(but at least this one doesn't melt the CPU)
01:17:11 [sbp]
ah, no there's not. No discrpancy at all... phew
01:17:19 [sbp]
now let
01:17:27 [sbp]
let's speed test it against CWM!
01:18:34 [sbp]
this query takes the new API 3.87 seconds
01:18:44 [sbp]
er, 3.88 rounded up
01:21:28 [sbp]
Hmph: 2.25
01:21:31 [sbp]
(for CWM)
01:21:43 [sbp]
Oh well, that's still pretty good going, IMO
01:22:07 [sbp]
and once I port the old Eep query function and make it switch between the two, it'll whip CWM
01:22:25 [AaronSw]
crazy gets good ratings!
01:22:40 [sbp]
?
01:22:51 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: doom
01:22:55 [AaronSw]
howdy
01:22:58 [sbp]
Hi there
01:23:07 [AaronSw]
wow, lots o logs
01:23:11 [sbp]
now you have to explain at least two things already
01:23:26 [AaronSw]
Oh?
01:23:50 [sbp]
for x in ("crazy gets good ratings!", "*** AaronSw changes topic to 'doom'"): AaronSw.explain(x)
01:24:06 [deltab]
where's a good place to ask about HTTP PUT and POST?
01:24:08 [AaronSw]
I just watched an episode of Invader Zim.
01:24:13 [sbp]
deltab: www-talk
01:24:13 [AaronSw]
deltab, www-talk?
01:24:16 [AaronSw]
snap
01:24:16 [sbp]
heh
01:24:35 [deltab]
I meant IRC
01:24:44 [sbp]
here
01:24:46 [AaronSw]
Oh. Here.
01:24:47 [AaronSw]
snap!
01:24:50 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:36:56 [AaronSw]
Wow, sbp's eep lineage explanation is really confusing
01:37:12 [sbp]
:-)
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01:40:24 [syn|ack_]
hi guys
01:42:41 [AaronSw]
wow @ pyrex. I wonder what the speed increases are...
01:43:00 [sbp]
Hi syn
01:43:22 [AaronSw]
hey there syn
01:43:29 [sbp]
Hmm... the only problem with the Yapps parser for N3 is that it breaks a lot, and doesn't port too easily
01:43:40 [AaronSw]
breaks a lot? doesn't port?
01:43:55 [sbp]
for a start, it tries to parse N3 in comments
01:44:00 [AaronSw]
heh, Jakob Nielsen Syndrome: http://pyinline.sourceforge.net/
01:44:03 [sbp]
(which indicates that something is wrong)
01:44:07 [deltab]
docstrings, not comments
01:44:18 [AaronSw]
sounds like just a bug.
01:45:13 [sbp]
right. plus it's broken anyway (the variables that it relies upon have changed in the rest of SWAP), so it's obviously not maintained as much as the rest of the stuff
01:45:37 [sbp]
anyway, I've got it working, but I dunno if I want to go on debugging it...
01:46:12 [AaronSw]
Hm. Do you want to maintain regexps? ;)
01:46:18 [deltab]
sorry, habit
01:46:26 [AaronSw]
deltab, what is?
01:46:52 [deltab]
my pointing out that docstrings are not the same as comments
01:46:56 [sbp]
regexps: nah, but my old tokenizer was going pretty well
01:47:08 [sbp]
deltab: what's the defintion of each/difference
01:47:09 [sbp]
?
01:47:16 [AaronSw]
Ah. I thought it was a good point. My editor confuses them pretty badly...
01:47:29 [deltab]
comments start with # and are ignored
01:48:01 [sbp]
which is as they are in N3...
01:48:35 [deltab]
if a module, class or function starts with a string literal, it's the docstring for that object, and is stored in the object's __doc__ attribute
01:48:41 [AaronSw]
docstrings start with """ and the first instance is put in __doc__ while later instances are ignored by python (but picked up by other tools)
01:48:53 [AaronSw]
er, what deltab said
01:49:05 [sbp]
so what on earth did you mean by "<deltab> docstrings, not comments"?
01:49:06 [deltab]
what AaronSw said
01:49:15 [sbp]
in reply to my "<sbp> for a start, it tries to parse N3 in comments"
01:49:25 [deltab]
I thought you were talking about python comments
01:49:48 [deltab]
on reflection I saw you meant N3 comments
01:49:54 [sbp]
nope... I said that the Yapps parser tries to parse N3 hidden in comment (in the N3 file)
01:49:55 [sbp]
right
01:50:10 [sbp]
heh, that's alright then... I was confuzzled for a bit
01:51:57 [deltab]
ooh, something on i18n on bbc news 24
01:52:10 [sbp]
argh, I can't switch the T.V. on. damnit
01:53:44 [AaronSw]
I hate how source code i never touch is always breaking
01:54:40 [deltab]
mailafrica.net
01:54:53 [AaronSw]
that was random ;)
01:55:04 [AaronSw]
<deltab> oops, wrong channel
01:57:31 [sbp]
ugh, the #_formula hack...
01:58:58 [AaronSw]
argh, why can't i edit this file?
01:59:51 [AaronSw]
aha, cvs
01:59:53 [sbp]
Hmm... what's a good name for a parsing and serialization module?
02:00:15 [AaronSw]
pands
02:00:41 [sbp]
heh, I used to have a qands module for Eep (query and store)
02:04:12 [deltab]
actually, the i18n-related story on news 24 was about mailafrica.net
02:04:18 [AaronSw]
aha
02:04:44 [AaronSw]
i take it back, then
02:05:31 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw needs a new name for a machine
02:05:31 [deltab]
"The World's First Email Engine in African Languages"
02:05:54 [AaronSw]
jubjub, I think
02:06:05 [deltab]
pardon?
02:06:16 [deltab]
oh, right
02:06:17 [AaronSw]
I need a name for my old iBook
02:07:18 [AaronSw]
so that'll be jubjub
02:07:24 [AaronSw]
Now I need one for my old server...
02:07:46 [AaronSw]
borogove, perhaps
02:10:55 [AaronSw]
updated: http://logicerror.com/serverGunk
02:12:53 [sbp]
oh wow, I just got the query down to 0.85 seconds
02:13:28 [sbp]
aha, borogrove
02:13:34 [sbp]
er... gove
02:13:46 [AaronSw]
yowza
02:14:03 [AaronSw]
yeah, made the same mistake originally
02:14:12 [sbp]
ooh, 0.798 now
02:14:28 [sbp]
heh, there's nothing like writing a bit of code that whips CWM
02:14:28 [AaronSw]
unfortunately it's not pinging, so i just went downstairs and rebooted it
02:15:01 [AaronSw]
TimBL's not exactly an efficiency coder ;0
02:15:08 [sbp]
heh, true
02:15:43 [sbp]
then again, for its complexity, Llyn still scares me
02:15:46 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw fixes up jubjub
02:16:00 [AaronSw]
Hm, missing an up arrow key
02:20:13 [AaronSw]
wow, i can't believe mac os 9 is so slow
02:23:15 [AaronSw]
hm, need a spare ethernet cable
02:27:17 [AaronSw]
argh, it's still not working
02:30:51 [AaronSw]
woo, it's alive!
02:31:02 [AaronSw]
With two machines, I'll be twice as productive!
02:31:19 [AaronSw]
...or something
02:34:09 [AaronSw]
Weird. The link light goes off when there's no Rx going on
02:36:59 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw installs the 14 different updates for his machine
02:37:06 [AaronSw]
er, jubjub, that is
02:38:00 [AaronSw]
argh, i wish Apple would just generate a password for me that mets all their crazy requirements
02:43:30 [sbp]
heh, I'll bet one of the requirements is that the password is not automatically generated :-)
02:44:37 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh.
02:44:44 [AaronSw]
Wow, 12136 messages in Sent Mail
03:05:45 [sbp]
Gotta run
03:09:14 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw standardizes on PS1=u@h:W$
03:10:04 [AaronSw]
hm, maybe export PS1="\u@\h:\w\$ "
03:15:47 [AaronSw]
actually, maybe just PS1="\h:\w\$ "
03:45:02 [AaronSw]
Jon Udell: "There will be a semantic web, and it will require (and reward) a certain amount of discipline."
03:46:17 [AaronSw]
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2002/04/19/platform.html
04:17:25 [AaronSw]
rhp: "[Some free software programs are] even configurable to be the union of all applications that anyone's ever seen on any historical platform (Emacs *cough*)."
04:21:53 [AaronSw]
heh! 'If a user is using my app FooBar and they come to something they think is stupid - say the app deletes all their email - it's extremely common that they'll file a bug saying "there should be an option to disable eating all my email" instead of one saying "your craptastic junk-heap of an app ate my email."'
04:27:59 [AaronSw]
lol @ http://www.oreillynet.com/~rael/archives/2002_04_19.shtml#000173
05:36:23 [AaronSw]
Eric Flint += 100 -- http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000224
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06:07:01 [jeremiah]
hello
12:10:33 [sbp]
lol @ "your craptastic junk-heap of an app ate my email."
12:12:18 [sbp]
ooh, good bit about Macaulay
13:16:37 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. OPN is presently in need of extremely reliable servers with low latencies and very good general Internet connectivity. If you're interesting in supporting this community project and think you might be able to help, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email us at support@openprojects.net .... Thanks much!
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14:08:49 [AaronSw]
jeremiah!
14:10:13 [AaronSw]
t-v turnoff week starts tomorrow
14:12:33 [AaronSw]
Heh: "In 1999, Jakob Nielsen advised that we were stuck with old browsers until 2003. Coool. Only eight more months."
14:14:26 [sbp]
heh. that's going to happen
14:15:01 [AaronSw]
He predicts by then Vers. 6 will have taken over. Hmmmm.
14:18:53 [sbp]
heh, heh
14:20:22 [AaronSw]
Hm, two days and this talk is nowhere near done
14:22:23 [AaronSw]
He also said: "It is indeed amazing that Microsoft can't implement two-years-old specifications correctly"
14:22:51 [AaronSw]
Heh, I remember reading that AlertBox... I was like "2003?! I'll be dead by then!"
14:23:06 [AaronSw]
That prediction is looking less likely, at least.
14:23:26 [sbp]
heh, he
14:23:51 [sbp]
<AaronSw> Things are looking up!
14:29:17 [AaronSw]
"Google now accounts for 66% of the visitors arriving to useit.com from search engines. Up from 46% last year."
14:43:49 [AaronSw]
urgh, stomacache
14:46:32 [AaronSw]
<bijan> I'm generally not in favor of making implementators lives arbitrarily hard for the sake of flexibly supporting odd, imagined requirements of dubious merit.
14:59:45 [AaronSw]
urgh, wristache
15:02:53 [AaronSw]
.google tinderbox
15:02:54 [xena]
tinderbox: http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox
15:02:55 [AaronSw]
cool!
15:02:58 [AaronSw]
.google ceres
15:02:58 [xena]
ceres: http://www.ceres.org
15:07:11 [AaronSw]
"We're happy to arrange elementary or advanced Tinderbox training workshops. We can provide training in Boston, New York, or at your own location, for individuals, workgroups, or classes."
15:25:20 [AaronSw]
Oh, that's neat. egd gather entropy from yout command line
15:25:55 [deltab]
from the command line?
15:26:13 [AaronSw]
yeah, it starts up when you open a new terminal window
15:26:18 [AaronSw]
and goes away after you've typed a few characters
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16:36:16 [AaronSw]
I was surprised at how incredibly simple RSA was.
16:40:12 [davb]
the algorithm?
16:48:25 [AaronSw]
Yeah.
16:48:25 [AaronSw]
pick two large primes p and q, k is something relatively prime to them.
16:48:25 [AaronSw]
n = pq, j = (p-1)(q-1), take your message to k to encrypt, j, to decrypt
16:48:26 [AaronSw]
all mod n
17:27:58 [davb]
yeah. All i know is its on the front of the t-shirt i got when the patent expired :)
17:56:14 [jeremiah]
AaronSw: what do you mean "relativly prime"
17:56:35 [AaronSw]
x is relatively prime to y if gcd(x, y) = 1
17:56:53 [AaronSw]
the gcd is a the largest integer that divides both x and y
17:57:12 [jeremiah]
oh
17:57:26 [jeremiah]
gotcha
17:57:29 [jeremiah]
time to go back to my movie
17:57:32 [AaronSw]
Heh. c'ya
18:10:14 [AaronSw]
neat: command-clicking on the dock does a find program
18:10:23 [AaronSw]
er, show in finder
18:21:04 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw activity [ a Search; target [ a Bagel ]; purpose Lunch] .
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19:02:17 [sbp]
Hmm... this DABF** season is great
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swhack!
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20:31:23 [AaronSw]
wmf!
20:31:59 [GabeW]
* GabeW does the walking baby dance in #swhack
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* AaronSw does the dancing baby
20:32:19 [AaronSw]
argh, i'm never gonna be able to finish this talk in time
20:32:34 [wmf]
what are you working on?
20:32:52 [AaronSw]
I'm writing my talk for MIT 6.171 on the Semantic Web
20:32:58 [wmf]
ah
20:33:33 [AaronSw]
The good news is that when i finish the talk i can really merchandise it ;)
20:33:50 [wmf]
ah, you're learning
20:34:02 [GabeW]
merchandise?\
20:34:19 [AaronSw]
books, web articles, videotapes
20:34:26 [GabeW]
infomercials!
20:34:42 [AaronSw]
oooh, with celebrity endorsements from TimBL
20:34:47 [wmf]
and if you call in the next 10 minutes...
20:35:30 [GabeW]
dude, you should get hooked up with the Computer Professor!
20:35:35 [AaronSw]
how much do you think this incredible spec costs? not $500, not $400, not $300, not even $200! that's right, it's available on the Web for free!
20:36:05 [AaronSw]
computer professor?
20:36:46 [AaronSw]
It's scary when your local cleaners has their own domain name: http://lakecitycleaners.com/
20:37:41 [GabeW]
AaronSw: infomercial
20:37:54 [AaronSw]
ah
20:38:36 [GabeW]
no, actually, its a new position at the barbados university school of engineering
20:40:41 [AaronSw]
Heh, o'reilly bought "semantic web" on google to hype etcon
20:41:01 [GabeW]
etcon?
20:41:07 [AaronSw]
emerging fads
20:41:09 [GabeW]
right
20:41:23 [AaronSw]
SEMANTIC WEB - O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference in Santa Clara, CA
20:41:23 [AaronSw]
www.oreilly.com      P2P, Web Services, Wireless, and Beyond. May 13-16, 2002
20:41:26 [GabeW]
I bought some terms for wiredobjects, but I got a single clickthrough for 2000 impressions ;-)
20:42:03 [wmf]
whoa, it's a big ad
20:42:42 [wmf]
Dave gets top billing for ETCon
20:43:26 [AaronSw]
"always stirring the pot with something provocative"
20:43:36 [wmf]
that's Dave
20:43:36 [AaronSw]
whoo! tom rall is gone:
20:43:38 [AaronSw]
.google aaron
20:43:38 [xena]
aaron: http://www.aaronsw.com
20:58:40 [AaronSw]
I need a good example of a logic rule
21:01:42 [AaronSw]
{?y :price ?z. ?z math:greaterThan "100".} => { ?y :shippingCost "0". }
21:01:46 [AaronSw]
the free shipping rule
21:07:59 [AaronSw]
heh, DMc updated his technique
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21:42:21 [sbp]
why do you put the periods at the ends of the formulae?
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21:44:01 [AaronSw]
beats me
21:46:22 [sbp]
:-)
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hello
21:48:42 [AaronSw]
I need some slide CSS...
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Please bear with us while things return to normal.
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let me stand next your fye-yah
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Please bear with us as we do some major rerouting.
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're continuing to reroute, please bear with us.
22:36:27 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Okay, folks, we are hoping this will be stable. Ping your friends a bit and if anyone is missing, /msg lilo, thanks
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. It's worth noting again that OPN is in rather desperate need of well-connected, reliable servers on T3 or better. Multihomed vastly preferred. Our bandwidth requirements are actually very low but we prefer high bandwidth connections for reduced latency and better connectivity.
22:56:56 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] If you have the resources and are interested in helping support this community project, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email support@openprojects.net .... thanks!
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* sbp waves
23:05:02 [AaronSw]
howdy
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heh
23:30:05 [wmf]
it's too bad the singularity weblog was abandoned
23:36:39 [davb]
could we program it to write itself?
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23:46:21 [AaronSw]
they abandoned the singularity weblog?
23:46:25 [AaronSw]
.google singularity weblog
23:46:26 [xena]
singularity weblog: http://singularity.manilasites.com
23:47:04 [AaronSw]
<Ash> jrobb: WH0A S1NGULAR1TY TAKE LUSERLAND OVER!!!!
23:48:18 [wmf]
I guess JRobb is working too hard selling Radio or something
23:48:37 [AaronSw]
one man can only klog so much...
23:49:59 [wmf]
the new Harruph design is striking
23:50:24 [AaronSw]
harrumph, you mean? it's even more minimalist than you!
23:51:07 [AaronSw]
Heh, I was surprised to see there was an entire mirror project category for Karl Dubost
23:51:44 [wmf]
wow
23:52:32 [AaronSw]
http://www.mirrorproject.com/galleries/howells/
23:53:42 [AaronSw]
"Pink gets a bad rap, probably because of it's been linked with girl babies and thus cuteness and weakness and crapping in your pants. But pink is butcher than it seems."
23:55:59 [wmf]
Karl has the obligatory PowerShot
23:57:52 [AaronSw]
PowerShot?
23:58:04 [wmf]
S100
23:58:38 [AaronSw]
ah, i was thinking of a Power Shot involving a powershot