IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-17

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00:00:50 [sbp]
ASCII *really* needs more brackety things
00:01:57 [sbp]
three just isn't enough. nowhere near enough. We need at least 7
00:02:51 [AaronSw]
heh, not
00:03:25 [sbp]
ooh, four. well, that's still not seven
00:04:04 [sbp]
say, Aaron, how easy is it for you to type a £ sign?
00:04:06 [AaronSw]
six: ({[<"'
00:04:19 [AaronSw]
i don't know. never done it.
00:04:25 [AaronSw]
let me look it up
00:04:37 [sbp]
" is not a brackety thing. by that logic, . is a brackety thing too. any character is a brackety thing
00:04:53 [AaronSw]
how do you define brackety thing, then?
00:04:55 [deltab]
or any sequence
00:05:06 [deltab]
'begin' and 'end' for example
00:05:15 [sbp]
something that has an opening thingy, and a (different) complementary closing thingy
00:05:49 [sbp]
(where each thing is a single character... the "deltab" clause)
00:06:24 [sbp]
Unicode has a few more...
00:06:35 [AaronSw]
ah. typing £ is easy. Option-3
00:07:01 [AaronSw]
there's «
00:07:09 [AaronSw]
and rquot, lquot
00:07:16 [AaronSw]
but i think you said ascii
00:07:32 [AaronSw]
which isn't going to change, so it's sort of stupid to ask for more
00:07:52 [AaronSw]
oh, and Ð
00:08:53 [AaronSw]
oh, and ¡, ¿
00:09:24 [AaronSw]
oohm ¾
00:09:55 [AaronSw]
ooh, Euro sign:
00:09:59 [AaronSw]
oops
00:10:17 [AaronSw]
sbp, one more in ASCII: / and \
00:10:54 [AaronSw]
(singing) "he's come to cuuuut you down"
00:10:58 [deltab]
those are paired, but they're not normally brackets
00:11:20 [AaronSw]
I suppose.
00:11:31 [AaronSw]
why do you want so many, sbp?
00:11:46 [deltab]
where are they used as brackets? I can only think of __/ tabs \__
00:12:07 [AaronSw]
ooh, that's clever.
00:12:19 [AaronSw]
well, some people use them for /emphasis\
00:12:52 [deltab]
I've seen /this/ and occasionally \this\, but I don't recall /this\
00:13:13 [AaronSw]
ok, i admit i made that up.
00:13:41 [AaronSw]
oh, there's ` and '
00:13:55 [AaronSw]
that's a real one
00:14:05 [deltab]
those aren't paired
00:14:09 [AaronSw]
sure they are
00:14:10 [walloper]
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00:14:23 [AaronSw]
some people use `` and '' tho.
00:14:24 [sbp]
no, people just faked smart quotes with them
00:14:30 [AaronSw]
so?
00:14:44 [sbp]
so: it sucks on an unprecedented level
00:15:06 [AaronSw]
why do you want these brackety things anyway?
00:15:20 [sbp]
I just love brackety things. they're our friends!
00:15:31 [deltab]
why single chars only?
00:15:47 [sbp]
double chars. are too verbose!
00:16:55 [AaronSw]
hmph
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00:28:43 [Morbus]
"As for OS X costing money, I was more than happy to wait on a cold rainy morning to get my copy. The very thought that BSD and my beloved Perl would be installed by default... god... talk about orgasms."
00:28:44 [Morbus]
heh,.
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00:32:15 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Please congratulate Bdale Garbee, the newly-elected Debian Project Leader. OPN extends its best wishes! :)
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01:29:46 [AaronSw]
Ooh, bdale own!
01:30:29 [AaronSw]
err won
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02:08:51 [sbp]
Gotta run
02:23:17 [AaronSw]
hmph. google patent: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='20020042791'.PGNR.&OS=DN/20020042791&RS=DN/20020042791
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03:01:04 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: we've got a passion, for sharing knowledge
03:01:18 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw updates http://notabug.com/ if you're courious about the reference
03:03:22 [AaronSw]
with free MP3
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03:24:47 [AaronSw]
RoyF: "If I had 2 cents for every time someone offerred me their $0.02, writing IETF standards would be downright profitable."
03:25:15 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw notes to give Roy a dollar or two
03:33:55 [jillzilla]
AaronSw: What is this poking at my version?
03:34:06 [AaronSw]
i was trying to tell you that aminorex is around.
03:34:12 [jillzilla]
yaaay!
03:34:34 [AaronSw]
:-)
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04:50:06 [wmf]
swhack! don't try to hide, I know somebody is in here
04:50:17 [eikeon]
:)
04:50:27 [AaronSw]
wmf!
04:50:56 [AaronSw]
i was reading the google patents today. they're pretty crazy
04:51:05 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla hasn't read them.
04:51:09 [wmf]
"I patent everything!"
04:51:15 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla buries her head in the sand.
04:51:49 [AaronSw]
They seem to claim mappings. Then they claim mappings applied to search terms->URLs, phone numbers->URLs, etc.
04:53:59 [wmf]
I shouldn't stay at work so late; it leaves to little time for slacking
04:55:00 [wmf]
opencyc released!
04:55:14 [jillzilla]
cool!
04:55:24 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla would check it out, but she's working too late.
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05:20:57 [AaronSw]
G'nite
05:23:10 [jillzilla]
night.
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13:00:01 [sbp]
whee! I'm right at the top [insert mega-big smiley here]
13:01:16 [sbp]
heh: the number of people that subscribe to swi-dev even though there's been no conversation there for months...
13:02:58 [sbp]
ooh, a new IRI draft: http://www.w3.org/International/2002/draft-w3c-i18n-iri-00.txt
13:04:20 [sbp]
Pff, URIs should have been binary numbers
13:04:43 [sbp]
Morbus could have had 1010011010
13:05:05 [sbp]
Aaron could have had 1110111110101111001110110
13:06:59 [sbp]
Hmm... the XPointer for HTML thread is still going strong
13:28:35 [AaronSw]
I are I.
13:29:20 [AaronSw]
imagine date-based binary uris...
13:29:21 [AaronSw]
eeek
13:30:23 [Morbus]
bwahahah
13:30:25 [Morbus]
[[[
13:30:25 [Morbus]
3154903 21 /var/spool/mail/matt
13:30:25 [Morbus]
2484525 686 /var/spool/mail/morbus
13:30:25 [Morbus]
]]]
13:30:34 [Morbus]
size / emails recvd / location.
13:30:40 [Morbus]
i hate attachments.
13:30:47 [AaronSw]
who's matt?
13:30:52 [Morbus]
* Morbus shrugs.
13:32:25 [AaronSw]
"Exchanging links will help bring in more business for both your web site and my client's. [...] Our client carries a vast up-to-date selection of whirlpool bath tubs, faucets, sinks, lavs, steamers and just about anything you can think of for the bath and kitchen."
13:32:37 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I really see how we're related there.
13:33:13 [Morbus]
i get that thing every so often too.
13:33:25 [Morbus]
i got it from some gaming mojo for gamegrene.com
13:33:37 [Morbus]
i just tell people "pff. have you checked google you moron? i don't need your petty traffic"
13:33:42 [Morbus]
literally :)
13:34:58 [AaronSw]
.google games
13:34:59 [xena]
games: http://netcenter.ea.com/home/home.jsp
13:35:46 [Morbus]
actually, for gamegrene, the traffic comes from my finite searching.
13:35:54 [Morbus]
but i rarely ever do links pages. i don't like them.
13:36:14 [Morbus]
if they're not contextual, why the hell would i want people to leave my site?
13:46:20 [AaronSw]
i'm sort of tempted to install apache2. i wonder how backwards-compatible it is
13:46:48 [AaronSw]
heh: "APACHE - Google does that. www.google.com/appliance      Put Google on your corporate intranet."
13:46:51 [AaronSw]
riiight, google
13:47:03 [Morbus]
i know it installs fine on os x, but there have been reports of php not working.
13:47:08 [Morbus]
i haven't looked at a config file myself.
13:48:09 [Morbus]
# i don't know. it never crossed my mind that they wouldn.t
13:48:28 [AaronSw]
[OLM]
13:49:23 [Morbus]
if you do it, let me know.
13:49:35 [AaronSw]
k
13:49:38 [Morbus]
i've got too much stuff running on the old 1.3 tha I don't want to move forward just yet.
14:01:14 [AaronSw]
heh: "I wonder if there are Georgia Tech admin moonlighting for the RIAA?"
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14:24:07 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw updates http://notabug.com/eastwest
14:24:31 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: we've got a passion (got a passion, got a passion), for sharing knowledge (sharing knowledge, sharing knowledge)
14:24:39 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw sings:
14:24:48 [AaronSw]
woobodeewoop tah bah bah tah bah bah
14:24:55 [AaronSw]
woobodeewoop tah bah bah tah bah bo
14:25:02 [AaronSw]
woobodeewoop tah bah bah tah bah bah
14:25:04 [AaronSw]
woobodeewoop tah bah bah tah bah bo
14:26:02 [Morbus]
* Morbus poses like a beatnik
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14:30:18 [AaronSw]
hello there
14:30:27 [pixel]
hello.
14:30:29 [sbp]
* sbp waves
14:30:40 [pixel]
* pixel waves right back.
14:30:51 [AaronSw]
g'morning sbp
14:30:55 [pixel]
've been trying to get in here for weeks.
14:30:59 [AaronSw]
oh?
14:31:13 [AaronSw]
what's stopped you?
14:31:19 [pixel]
firewall.
14:31:28 [AaronSw]
ah.
14:31:36 [Morbus]
holy crap!
14:31:40 [pixel]
WOOHOO!
14:31:41 [Morbus]
its pixel!
14:31:42 [pixel]
hehe
14:31:47 [Morbus]
pixel is the guy who's been helping out with ampheta.
14:31:50 [AaronSw]
aha
14:31:58 [Morbus]
yay! pixel's here. kickass.
14:32:03 [Morbus]
he's been reading the logs for a while now ;)
14:32:15 [pixel]
I feel like I already know you all =)
14:32:35 [AaronSw]
you have the advantage of us, then ;)
14:32:46 [Morbus]
AaronSw, he's from perceive.net.
14:32:57 [pixel]
I AM perceive.net hwhwhwh
14:33:01 [pixel]
(hehe)
14:33:07 [AaronSw]
i was trying to visit when my browser froze
14:33:21 [Morbus]
chimera?
14:33:31 [AaronSw]
no, IE this time
14:33:35 [Morbus]
ah.
14:33:37 [Morbus]
did you get the updates? ;)
14:33:40 [pixel]
what version?
14:33:47 [Morbus]
afk for about 20m.
14:33:48 [AaronSw]
updates?
14:33:57 [AaronSw]
5.103 or something
14:34:02 [Morbus]
yeah, check swupdate. there's a 4meg secuirty update.
14:34:08 [AaronSw]
oh, got that
14:34:30 [AaronSw]
gotta run: school
14:34:54 [pixel]
seeays.
14:35:07 [pixel]
school is quite a novel concept.
14:35:09 [sbp]
ah, so this is the legendary pixie
14:35:10 [Morbus]
pixel: now you need to learn how to type ;)
14:35:11 [sbp]
er... pixel
14:35:21 [pixel]
I'm a very sloppy typer.
14:35:34 [Morbus]
sbp: i have seen him do little dances to his own private litany. so pixie seems fitting.
14:36:03 [pixel]
* pixel dances around to his own private litany.
14:36:15 [Morbus]
see! see!
14:36:18 [AaronSw]
ugh, IE froze again on perceive.net
14:36:22 [Morbus]
* Morbus points
14:36:24 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is really gone now
14:36:24 [sbp]
marvellous. Well, I like him better than xoot already
14:36:35 [Morbus]
heh. oh man. he's loads better than xoot.
14:36:40 [Morbus]
not sure if he's as smart as neo though.
14:36:44 [Morbus]
* Morbus chuckles.
14:36:47 [sbp]
heh, heh
14:36:52 [sbp]
* sbp ^5's Morb
14:36:55 [Morbus]
heheh.
14:37:00 [Morbus]
(he's read that log, btw)
14:37:15 [sbp]
it should be compulsory
14:37:18 [pixel]
I've tried perceive.net on MANY browsers. find the version you're using, and I'll fix the problem.
14:37:19 [Morbus]
afk
14:37:31 [Morbus]
pixel: ie 5.1 on os x.
14:37:39 [sbp]
how can anybody be afk if they're typing "afk"?
14:38:16 [pixel]
ahh. mac is the only thing I haven't tested on, and unfortunately, can't.
14:38:25 [sbp]
cool: http://www.perceive.net/photos/default.asp?photo=1272
14:38:47 [pixel]
hehe. Pottery barn just paid me to sue that one.
14:38:51 [pixel]
sue=use
14:39:32 [sbp]
I'm going to use the crap out of you!
14:42:16 [pixel]
heheh
14:42:31 [pixel]
yes, they paid me to sue a photograph. I expect to get millions.
14:43:03 [Morbus]
it was an open and shutter case.
14:43:05 [Morbus]
* Morbus chuckles.
14:44:33 [pixel]
* pixel watches out for the corn.
14:51:32 [pixel]
ok. so what does everyone do? I'm a "Senior Web Application Designer" for a healthcare company, and do freelance work as Perceive Designs.
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15:16:16 [Morbus]
i'm a ... oh, wait. nevermind.
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15:17:03 [Morbus]
gah. stupid rpm.
15:17:06 [Morbus]
hey, mmkay.
15:17:14 [Morbus]
i had the original SuSE MySQL rpm installed, right?
15:17:22 [Morbus]
then, I installed an RPM patch update for the MySQL package.
15:17:38 [Morbus]
now, I can't remove the MySQL rpm because rpm complains that it refers to multiple packages. anyone seen this before?
15:19:42 [pixel]
nope.
15:20:11 [Morbus]
ah...
15:20:25 [Morbus]
i need to pass "--allmatches"
15:20:29 [Morbus]
worked fine after that.
15:20:33 [Morbus]
thanks, google.
15:20:36 [pixel]
that's good to know.
15:20:44 [Morbus]
.google says thank you back
15:20:45 [xena]
says thank you back: http://www.parenthelpusa.org/letter.html
15:21:03 [pixel]
that's too cool.
15:21:06 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
15:21:12 [Morbus]
we have many fine bots :)
15:21:14 [pixel]
quick too.
15:23:34 [pixel]
.google ISO date
15:23:35 [xena]
ISO date: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html
15:23:49 [pixel]
mmmm.
15:37:38 [davb]
what is the bot/human ratio?
15:38:18 [sbp]
5:10
15:38:22 [sbp]
in favor of humans
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16:05:13 [Morbus]
only four more chapters in FAIF.
16:05:14 [Morbus]
whee.
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16:53:09 [AaronSw]
hm, perceive.net works in chim, but doesn't line up right
16:54:49 [AaronSw]
.time
16:54:49 [xena]
2002/04/17 16:54:49.454 Universal
16:55:09 [AaronSw]
pixel, i'm a 'Meddling Kid' or 'Outer Child'. your choice
16:55:38 [pixel]
hehe
16:55:48 [pixel]
I don't have a Mac that I'm able to test on.
16:56:30 [pixel]
it looks excellent in IE, and Netscape 6. looks good in IE 5, and 5.5 looks acceptable in netscape 4.x, and it might look like shit in everything else.
16:57:03 [pixel]
I have access to any PC-based browser, but not mac.
16:57:28 [sbp]
Said the Outer Child to the dot, "i'm a 'Meddling Kid' or 'Outer Child'. your choice"
16:57:38 [AaronSw]
Hm, well it's the first website i've found that actually crashes IE
16:57:46 [pixel]
Yeah!
16:58:16 [pixel]
wonder why.
16:58:29 [AaronSw]
oh, your doctype is screwy
16:58:46 [pixel]
hmm.
16:59:08 [sbp]
Gotta run
16:59:09 [AaronSw]
"
16:59:09 [AaronSw]
Fatal Error: unrecognized {{DOCTYPE}}; unable to check document
16:59:09 [AaronSw]
"
16:59:22 [pixel]
I wonder why. its a very normal doctype.
16:59:40 [AaronSw]
not really. you have an xml prolog on top, which you should remove
16:59:46 [pixel]
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
16:59:48 [AaronSw]
and then you have it tabbed over pretty far, and with no line break
17:00:24 [pixel]
whitespace should be ignored by HTML parsers.
17:00:27 [AaronSw]
and solidgrey (in your CSS) isn't an official color
17:00:43 [AaronSw]
see http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://perceive.net/
17:01:11 [AaronSw]
try removing the <?xml ...?> line at the top...
17:07:52 [pixel]
ok. it's being output as html, rather than xml, and the css is fixed. try that.
17:08:20 [pixel]
hmm. it's still confused about the doctype.
17:09:24 [AaronSw]
i still see "<?xml version="1.0"?>" at the top of the page
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17:11:31 [pixel]
you shouldn't now. the server caches pages in memory. it's been rebuilt now.
17:11:53 [pixel]
of course, the parser isn't closing all the tags now that it's been output as html, so it's nto validating as XHTML.
17:11:55 [pixel]
hehe
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17:13:24 [pixel]
I think the doctype was probably the problem. the xml prolog should be fine in there, so I'm going to have it output as XML to get the tags to close properly.
17:17:44 [AaronSw]
ah, getting better.
17:18:27 [pixel]
ok. validates as XHTML Transitional and the CSS validates now.
17:18:37 [AaronSw]
cool... let me try again
17:20:42 [pixel]
still crash?
17:20:53 [AaronSw]
odd. it works until I turn on CSS.
17:21:15 [pixel]
hmm.
17:21:41 [AaronSw]
i'll email the browser makers about it.
17:22:13 [pixel]
there's nothing odd in the CSS. there are two (at least) stylesheets per page.
17:26:46 [sbp]
it wouldn't validate, anyway
17:26:46 [sbp]
no xmlns attribute, for a start
17:27:03 [AaronSw]
wouldn't validate as what?
17:27:20 [AaronSw]
odd, you're right.
17:27:34 [AaronSw]
but the validator still lets it thru
17:28:24 [sbp]
BTW, mega-lol at http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6368227'.WKU.&OS=PN/6368227&RS=PN/6368227
17:28:52 [AaronSw]
yeah, the handcuffs one is good too
17:29:19 [sbp]
ah, it might let it through because xmlns is a fixed ATTR
17:30:08 [AaronSw]
this sounds like spamassassin: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992141
17:31:02 [pixel]
I fixed the uspto url issue.
17:31:29 [pixel]
should I add the xmlns namespace?
17:31:44 [AaronSw]
no, that's not the problem
17:31:59 [pixel]
what's the problem?
17:32:22 [AaronSw]
it's something with the CSS. i emailed the IE Team, they'll figure it out, i'm sure.
17:32:29 [pixel]
cool.
17:32:47 [sbp]
yeah Aaron, just what *is* your problem, eh? :-)
17:32:56 [pixel]
hehe
17:33:15 [sbp]
can't you isolate it by copying the page with varying amounts of stylesheets?
17:33:39 [AaronSw]
yes, but i am not that bored
17:33:40 [pixel]
I'm sure, but that's a damn pain, eh?
17:33:54 [pixel]
brb
17:35:40 [sbp]
* sbp does it for you
17:37:20 [sbp]
try the HTML files under http://infomesh.net/2002/csstests/
17:37:53 [sbp]
argh, actually, hang on a sec...
17:38:56 [sbp]
O.K., try now
17:39:08 [pixel]
hehe
17:40:01 [AaronSw]
caterpillar
17:40:43 [AaronSw]
try just the background: url("/images/layout/caterpillar/caterpillar.jpg") no-repeat rgb(210,206,198) top left;
17:40:43 [AaronSw]
} line
17:41:12 [sbp]
O.K., refresh the dir
17:41:28 [AaronSw]
no crash
17:41:36 [AaronSw]
try adding and empty one
17:41:42 [pixel]
wonder if it's because of the relative url.
17:41:57 [pixel]
nevermind.
17:42:04 [sbp]
refresh mc1
17:42:05 [AaronSw]
like "A:hover {
17:42:06 [AaronSw]
}"
17:42:23 [AaronSw]
no crash
17:42:49 [sbp]
O.K., I've added the empty ones (in mc1)
17:43:02 [AaronSw]
nope, no crash
17:43:33 [sbp]
ugh. O.K., I've added the top half
17:43:55 [AaronSw]
crash
17:44:50 [sbp]
try again
17:45:04 [AaronSw]
no crash
17:45:18 [sbp]
aha, I may have it
17:45:49 [sbp]
refresh; it should crash
17:46:00 [AaronSw]
no crash
17:46:05 [sbp]
really?!
17:46:08 [AaronSw]
i think it was that 1.5/4 thing
17:46:23 [AaronSw]
on mc1? yeah, really
17:46:50 [pixel]
the font: 11px/1.5?
17:47:12 [AaronSw]
yeah
17:47:20 [sbp]
but it didn't crash when I had just body and something else
17:47:33 [sbp]
I thought it was the float stuff, because it crashed when I put that back in
17:47:48 [sbp]
but when isolated, it didn't crash, so perhaps it's that in conjunction with something else
17:48:09 [sbp]
can you try now?
17:48:16 [AaronSw]
no crash
17:49:17 [sbp]
O.K., if this one doesn't crash, then I give in
17:49:25 [sbp]
oh, hang on
17:49:41 [AaronSw]
it crashed
17:49:45 [AaronSw]
i told you
17:50:03 [sbp]
er... this is new, though
17:50:24 [AaronSw]
new what?
17:50:31 [sbp]
CSS
17:50:39 [AaronSw]
it still crashes
17:50:48 [AaronSw]
try taking out everything cept the 11px/1.5
17:50:54 [AaronSw]
what does that mean, anyway?
17:51:24 [pixel]
the second value sets the line height.
17:51:33 [sbp]
it's the font thing with the floats
17:51:53 [sbp]
plus a vertical align and a clear fo rgood measure
17:52:00 [AaronSw]
just try it without for a sec
17:53:30 [sbp]
without what
17:53:32 [sbp]
?
17:53:34 [sbp]
* sbp apologizes - got cut off
17:53:40 [sbp]
O.K., now it's just the font thing with the two floats
17:53:55 [AaronSw]
crash
17:54:03 [AaronSw]
altho i do see some text this time
17:54:50 [sbp]
Hmm... now it's the same with but with double quotes instead of single
17:55:04 [AaronSw]
crash
17:55:22 [AaronSw]
just try it with the font: line, please
17:55:38 [AaronSw]
no crash
17:55:50 [sbp]
aha: I got rid of the /1.5
17:55:54 [AaronSw]
no crash again
17:55:59 [sbp]
now I've put just the font line up
17:56:05 [sbp]
but with the /1.5 reinstated
17:56:08 [AaronSw]
as i said: no crash again
17:56:30 [sbp]
interesting. so it must be the /1.5 with the floats
17:57:26 [sbp]
how about this: it's minimal
17:57:47 [AaronSw]
crash
17:57:57 [sbp]
pretty conclusive, then:-
17:57:59 [sbp]
[[[
17:57:59 [sbp]
body { font: 11px/1.5; }
17:58:00 [sbp]
]]]
17:58:10 [sbp]
what an odd bug
17:58:13 [pixel]
very.
17:59:08 [sbp]
Gotta run
17:59:36 [AaronSw]
thanks for your help, sbp
18:01:01 [Morbus]
* Morbus returns.
18:04:55 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw includes a link to http://infomesh.net/2002/csstests/main_caterpillar1.html in his email
18:13:13 [Morbus]
why?
18:14:03 [AaronSw]
so they can see for themselves
18:14:26 [Morbus]
oh. (just reading the backlog)
18:23:32 [AaronSw]
weird. this really annoying swhack bug refuses to reproduce
18:23:39 [AaronSw]
but it always happens when i don't want it to
18:23:57 [Morbus]
what's that?
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18:24:45 [AaronSw]
err snak bug
18:24:53 [AaronSw]
where it crashes when you drag windows around
18:25:26 [Morbus]
when you move the windows around, does it move over your dock?
18:25:37 [Morbus]
i had a bug in one app where the minute it was near the dock boundaries, powee.
18:25:50 [AaronSw]
nope, that doesn't do it
18:27:37 [AaronSw]
oh sure, now it crashes
18:27:45 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:28:08 [talli]
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18:28:11 [AaronSw]
maybe i need to wait a bit.
18:29:23 [AaronSw]
talli talli bo balli bananna nanna fo fallli me my mo malli
18:29:25 [AaronSw]
talli!
18:29:46 [pixel]
* pixel dissappears.
18:30:14 [pixel]
* pixel thinks you chanted the wrong incantation.
18:30:23 [talli]
yo yo yo
18:30:39 [Morbus]
hey talli.
18:30:52 [talli]
hey Morbus
18:31:04 [talli]
AaronSw: any chance of you sticking around on tuesday/
18:31:13 [AaronSw]
hm, i'll have to brush up on my incantations, pixel
18:31:33 [AaronSw]
sticking around in boston? highly unlikely
18:31:40 [talli]
bummer
18:31:43 [AaronSw]
yeah.
18:31:43 [AaronSw]
i need someone to drive me back to the airport, tho
18:31:53 [Morbus]
how do you redirect STDeRR to null, but not STDOUT? i forgot.
18:32:09 [AaronSw]
it's like 2> or something
18:32:11 [deltab]
2>/dev/null
18:32:26 [Morbus]
ahhh.
18:32:33 [davb]
AaronSw>/dev/airport
18:32:34 [AaronSw]
ooh, i was close!
18:32:34 [Morbus]
and &1 is the...
18:32:35 [Morbus]
hhmm.
18:32:39 [Morbus]
thanks deltab.
18:32:42 [AaronSw]
davb, ;-)
18:32:58 [AaronSw]
i was thinking i could get one of the people at the social...
18:33:21 [talli]
AaronSw: when's your flight?
18:33:41 [AaronSw]
7, i think
18:33:58 [AaronSw]
yeah. http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/bostonTrip
18:34:08 [talli]
hmmm... the social starts at 6
18:34:21 [talli]
another bummer
18:40:50 [redmonk]
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18:41:24 [redmonk]
Time-Zone-Appropriate Pleasant Greetings to all
18:51:19 [Morbus]
whoo!
18:51:21 [Morbus]
http://www.daypop.com/search?q=morbus&t=a
18:51:29 [Morbus]
"Google weblog" is number 5.
18:52:45 [pixel]
small world. I just stumbled upon the google weblog a couple days ago. heheheh
18:53:21 [Morbus]
yeah? AaronSw runs that.
18:53:31 [pixel]
I know that now! small world!
18:53:42 [Morbus]
and there's a person named jillium/jillzilla who stops by every so often. she works at google ;)
18:54:04 [pixel]
I saw her in the logs the other day.
18:54:12 [pixel]
you were making sexual innuendos.
18:54:16 [GabeW]
you can get the entire list of google host names (ie the google.com zone file)
18:54:16 [pixel]
:)
18:54:19 [Morbus]
I was not!
18:54:23 [Morbus]
i never make innuendo.
18:54:28 [Morbus]
i make blatant passes ;)
18:54:32 [pixel]
HAHAHA
18:57:15 [GabeW]
not anymore
18:57:29 [Morbus]
hmm?
18:57:30 [pixel]
my photos are nearly fulyl XML driven.
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19:11:05 [AaronSw]
<GabeW> you can get the entire list of google host names (ie the google.com zone file)
19:11:06 [AaronSw]
how?
19:11:10 [AaronSw]
oh, shoot, he lefft
19:11:21 [talli]
AaronSw: i have another RDF question...
19:11:31 [AaronSw]
what?
19:11:50 [talli]
first, where does loggylicious store the chatlogs? what's the url?
19:13:10 [AaronSw]
notabug.com/momentum/chatlogs/
19:13:17 [talli]
thanks
19:13:23 [pixel]
I have a list of all open HTTP ports on google's block of IPs if you'd like it.
19:13:31 [AaronSw]
pixel, cool!
19:13:51 [pixel]
send me your email, and I'll sedn ti to you.
19:14:05 [AaronSw]
me@aaronsw.com
19:14:43 [talli]
AaronSw: the second thing is about using RDF for implementing permissioning schemes
19:15:13 [talli]
i was thinking about doing something like 1) i am talli 2) AaronSw is my friend 3) AaronSw can see talli's calendar
19:15:25 [AaronSw]
that sounds cool.
19:15:27 [talli]
is this reasoanble? is there precedent for using RDF like this?
19:15:39 [AaronSw]
yeah, the w3c has been doing stuff like that
19:15:45 [AaronSw]
proof-based authorization, they call it
19:15:46 [talli]
cool
19:15:59 [talli]
do they have any docs about it?
19:16:07 [AaronSw]
i.e. "i am aaron, i work for foocorp, we're an ibm contractor, ibm is a w3c member, let me join the list"
19:16:28 [talli]
right, that's cool
19:16:31 [talli]
and simple
19:16:44 [talli]
permissioning seems to be the super bitch of any project
19:17:06 [AaronSw]
there are a bunch of links at http://www.w3.org/2000/01/sw/#access
19:17:10 [talli]
thanks
19:17:36 [AaronSw]
argh, modem went down
19:18:08 [AaronSw]
i'll be back in a bit
19:18:09 [redmonk]
aaronsw is the only person i know who can stay on the net when his connection (cable/modem) goes down. ;-)
19:18:19 [talli]
redmonk: :)
19:23:42 [AaronSw]
cool, it's back now
19:24:00 [AaronSw]
yeah, it's weird. i guess our switch stores the packets or something
19:24:47 [pixel]
back later. meeting.
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19:56:11 [Morbus]
the hell?
19:56:22 [Morbus]
searching for "sendmail /bin/false /no/home" on google will give a sponsored link of "NASA Faked Moon Landing"
20:08:34 [AaronSw]
because they bought the word false
20:23:32 [redmonk]
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this is for sbp: http://www.williambova.net/soundboard/homer.swf
20:25:40 [AaronSw]
deepleap had tv ads? where'd they get the money?
20:26:15 [sbp]
rm: thanks, already seen it though :-)
20:27:01 [sbp]
heh @ [[[
20:27:01 [sbp]
<Morbus> I was not!
20:27:01 [sbp]
<Morbus> i never make innuendo.
20:27:01 [sbp]
<Morbus> i make blatant passes ;)
20:27:02 [sbp]
]]]
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20:31:00 [redmonk]
heh
20:32:12 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: Pitchmarks are a bane in the putt
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20:39:02 [sbp]
* sbp tickles logster behind the ear
20:39:31 [sbp]
* sbp is still undecided on a new .sig - has lots more possibilities
20:39:38 [sbp]
well, a couple
20:42:33 [AaronSw]
^abuse of /me
20:42:46 [sbp]
no it wasn't
20:43:00 [AaronSw]
You can't just use /me for every statement about yourself.
20:43:07 [sbp]
yes I can
20:43:16 [AaronSw]
Well, you can, but it's wrong.
20:43:19 [sbp]
no it's not
20:43:46 [AaronSw]
Anyway, I'm thinking about what to do about Blogspace.
20:43:50 [sbp]
:-)
20:43:58 [sbp]
how's PyBlogspace coming along?
20:44:11 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw looks for IRC RFC while talking ;)
20:44:16 [AaronSw]
coming along; heh
20:44:33 [AaronSw]
I sorta want to move it to static files, maybe with a POST-based editing tool
20:44:53 [AaronSw]
i'll lose the backlinks stuff, but i guess that's ok... did anyone even use that?
20:46:00 [sbp]
you mean the junk at the bottom? yeah, I did
20:46:19 [AaronSw]
Hm. Another option is to use something like WebMake for tha
20:46:22 [AaronSw]
t.
20:46:32 [AaronSw]
And then there's still the issue of doing link coversions and all
20:49:08 [AaronSw]
Hm, is /me even in the IRC RFC?
20:50:37 [sbp]
The IRC RFC gives people the SQUITs
20:51:33 [talli]
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20:53:08 [AaronSw]
what's ircasync return for /me?
20:53:25 [sbp]
ACTION
20:54:43 [AaronSw]
no, just PRIVMSG, it seems
20:54:47 [AaronSw]
['PRIVMSG', '#wallops']|text::ACTION eats food
20:54:51 [AaronSw]
ACTION tests this
20:54:54 [Morbus]
i'm being told 10.1.4 is out.
20:54:59 [redmonk]
mmmm.
20:55:02 [redmonk]
what's new?
20:55:03 [Morbus]
acn someone check?
20:55:05 [Morbus]
i have no time.
20:55:06 [sbp]
what's your source?
20:55:07 [AaronSw]
did 'tests this' look like a /me?
20:55:09 [Morbus]
playing with a new mavica.
20:55:13 [Morbus]
sbp: patti over in #evolt
20:55:15 [sbp]
Aaron: no
20:55:29 [redmonk]
* redmonk runs SW update
20:55:32 [AaronSw]
what'd it look like?
20:55:39 [redmonk]
yes it's out
20:55:45 [Morbus]
yay!
20:55:49 [redmonk]
[[[
20:55:49 [AaronSw]
wooohoo!
20:55:51 [redmonk]
Update 10.1.4 delivers improved networking, security, and additional disc recording device support. Specific enhancements include:
20:55:52 [redmonk]
Disc Recording Devices:
20:55:52 [redmonk]
­ Updated and new support for Fast 10 SCSI drives, including the Pioneer 201 drive.
20:55:52 [redmonk]
­ Expanded support for SmartDisk, EZQuest, and LaCie disc recording devices.
20:55:52 [redmonk]
Networking Improvements:
20:55:53 [redmonk]
­ Dial-up connections over PPP are more reliable and system responsiveness has been improved.
20:55:54 [redmonk]
­ Significant improvement to file searching on local and remote volumes.
20:55:56 [redmonk]
­ Apple Filing Protocol (AFP) services can be browsed on networks with 3Com routers.
20:55:58 [redmonk]
Security Update:
20:56:00 [redmonk]
­ BSD-based TCP/IP connections now check and block broadcast or multicast IP destination addresses.
20:56:02 [redmonk]
]]]
20:56:03 [sbp]
ooh! flag day
20:56:04 [AaronSw]
morbus! ­ Dial-up connections over PPP are more reliable and system responsiveness has been improved.
20:56:07 [Morbus]
yes!
20:56:09 [Morbus]
better PPP!
20:56:10 [Morbus]
<G>
20:56:12 [sbp]
whee!
20:56:14 [Morbus]
holy sunovabitch!
20:56:15 [AaronSw]
ooh, and new version of IE5!
20:56:17 [Morbus]
i can be a server again! <G>
20:56:34 [AaronSw]
"This includes vulnerabilities that might have caused Internet Explorer to stop responding or caused a memory problem that compromised the security of the computer."
20:56:34 [sbp]
ooh! mega-fecking-excellent!
20:56:56 [Morbus]
ahyayayay!
20:56:57 [sbp]
heh. I'm so out of place here
20:57:04 [Morbus]
* Morbus sends sbp a copy.
20:57:14 [sbp]
heh, heh
20:57:14 [Morbus]
man.
20:57:15 [redmonk]
morbus... relax!
20:57:18 [Morbus]
i can't wait to get home!
20:57:19 [Morbus]
<G>
20:57:30 [Morbus]
redmonk, you don't KNOW how much the ppp thing has been busting my gut.
20:57:31 [redmonk]
* redmonk loads rocket launcher (this'll shut 'im up)
20:57:33 [sbp]
As patti says, it's orgasmic
20:57:36 [Morbus]
its was insanely frustraitn.g
20:57:40 [sbp]
*splutch*
20:57:44 [Morbus]
* Morbus respawns
20:57:47 [Morbus]
stop that!
20:57:47 [redmonk]
hehe
20:57:50 [Morbus]
* Morbus dances around.
20:57:55 [sbp]
don't forget to run screaming into a wall
20:57:56 [redmonk]
*foom*!
20:58:00 [redmonk]
*splutch*
20:58:02 [sbp]
or laughing, as the case may be
20:58:07 [sbp]
argh!
20:58:11 [sbp]
Gotta run
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21:06:51 [Morbus]
the sony mavica cd digicam is pretty nice.
21:07:44 [redmonk]
yeah?
21:07:54 [redmonk]
we're looking at getting a nikon coolpix 775
21:07:55 [Morbus]
yeah. we got one in the office here.
21:08:23 [Morbus]
indoor pictures seem kinda ... dark. and the smallest res is 640x480, but if you set it to email, it'll take both 6x4 and then a 320 one.
21:08:27 [Morbus]
it's not so bad.
21:08:54 [redmonk]
optical or digital zoom?
21:09:04 [Morbus]
digitial zoom.
21:09:16 [Morbus]
optional flash attachment. it may allow optzooms, haven't read the manual yet
21:09:24 [redmonk]
ah
21:09:38 [Morbus]
its nice though.
21:09:43 [Morbus]
i may pick one up myself.
21:09:49 [redmonk]
cool
21:10:07 [redmonk]
what model mavica?
21:11:09 [Morbus]
cd200
21:11:15 [Morbus]
mvc-cd200
21:11:35 [redmonk]
yeah?
21:11:39 [Morbus]
yeah.
21:11:43 [redmonk]
check this out
21:11:49 [redmonk]
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonycd200/
21:11:56 [redmonk]
look at the lens
21:12:11 [Morbus]
right.
21:12:19 [redmonk]
"SONY LENS / OPTICAL 3X"
21:12:22 [redmonk]
;-)
21:12:51 [Morbus]
oh.
21:12:54 [Morbus]
well, don't look at me.
21:12:58 [Morbus]
i'm a fucking moron.
21:13:11 [Morbus]
when you said digital zoom, i was like "hey, i didn't see the lens moving. must be diigital" :)
21:13:12 [redmonk]
i was not criticizing, just informing
21:22:19 [Morbus]
i know.
21:22:21 [Morbus]
i'm just dumb.
21:23:52 [redmonk]
nah
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22:23:55 [sbp]
* sbp decides that EARL evaluations are a class membership test assertion
22:24:10 [sbp]
e.g. :WCAGCompliantDocument a rdfs:Class .
22:24:26 [sbp]
the problem is that evaluations are a world all of their own
22:24:56 [sbp]
so it's not enough for us to be able to say "this is an accessible document". Oh no
22:25:14 [sbp]
we want to be able to say "this may be accessible, to this confidence level"
22:25:34 [sbp]
so instead of :Bob a :Person, we have { :Bob a :Person } :probability "70%" .
22:25:51 [sbp]
but we can't do it like that, so instead we have our validity property and a confidence
22:26:08 [sbp]
:Bob [ :prop rdf:type; :confidence "70%" ] :Person .
22:26:20 [sbp]
I guess we could also do it as part of the class
22:26:30 [sbp]
:Bob a :70PerCentDefinitePerson .
22:26:35 [sbp]
heh
22:26:48 [sbp]
it makes more sense with it being a property of the predicate
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22:27:29 [sbp]
this dark triples stuff has been scary, too
22:27:49 [sbp]
using formulae would have fixed it all... we should have used N3, not XML RDF!
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22:28:02 [Morbus]
this is so comical.
22:28:12 [sbp]
then again, dark triples are a hot topic at the moment, so they may get added into XML RDF in mysterious ways
22:28:14 [Morbus]
i've been disconnected twice trying to download the update that will fix the disconnects.
22:28:14 [sbp]
what is?
22:28:18 [sbp]
heh
22:28:22 [sbp]
ironic
22:28:43 [Morbus]
rather frustrating.
22:28:57 [Morbus]
if I get disconnected in a certain way, the next time I try to disconnect, I get a kernel panic and have to reboot.
22:30:29 [redmonk]
sbp: dark triples?
22:30:33 [redmonk]
like dark matter?
22:30:39 [sbp]
heh, that's what I said
22:30:50 [sbp]
triples that are in the graph, but unasserted
22:30:56 [redmonk]
(ie, invisible and massive?)
22:30:59 [redmonk]
hehe
22:31:02 [redmonk]
hm
22:31:09 [redmonk]
implied triples?
22:31:17 [sbp]
no, real triples, but unasserted
22:31:34 [sbp]
like formulae in N3, but not sets of statements: just statements
22:31:55 [redmonk]
* redmonk a {:person rdf:type :confused}
22:31:57 [Morbus]
AaronSw, after I get this update, i want you to dl a Moby track from my 80.
22:31:57 [Morbus]
just to try and break things :)
22:32:12 [redmonk]
mmmmm, Moby
22:32:19 [sbp]
Aaron and I both proposed to use ! instead of . in NTriples... in the same second!
22:32:32 [Morbus]
redmonk, do you have that track I was looking?
22:32:43 [redmonk]
no
22:32:56 [sbp]
how can you be a formula? anyway...
22:36:29 [sbp]
oh, Hmm...
22:36:39 [sbp]
earl:assertedBy could probably be earl:assertor
22:37:00 [sbp]
{ :Redmonk a :LoafOfBread } earl:assertor :Sean .
22:37:34 [Morbus]
and what's that supposed to accomplish?
22:37:34 [Morbus]
i know nothing about trip's.
22:37:35 [redmonk]
hm.
22:37:46 [sbp]
{ :LoafOfBread = :Formula } earl:assertor :Sean .
22:38:07 [sbp]
trip's? oh, triples
22:38:20 [sbp]
it's just EARL stuff. EARL's great: so frustrating, sometimes
22:38:25 [Seth]
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22:38:25 [redmonk]
me thinks morbus knows mush about tripping
22:38:31 [sbp]
heh, heh
22:38:37 [redmonk]
er, much
22:38:37 [sbp]
what's ya trip, Morb?
22:39:02 [Morbus]
waiting patiently for these updates to dl :)
22:39:28 [sbp]
well, the useful things to have come out of EARL at the moment seem to be the spin offs: trust metrics, markup metrics, and whatnot
22:39:40 [sbp]
s/useful/most useful/
22:42:27 [sbp]
Perhaps DanBri was right: reification by hyperdata might be better
22:42:36 [redmonk]
'hyperdata'
22:42:38 [redmonk]
?
22:42:39 [redmonk]
oy
22:42:47 [sbp]
like hypertext, but it's RDF
22:43:02 [sbp]
well, data, anyway
22:43:36 [sbp]
bnut people were generally opposed to that suggestion: we need a way to pickle a formula in XML RDF
22:43:56 [sbp]
N3 has {}, XML RDF has bugger all
22:44:15 [sbp]
oh, except encoding as a literal or something stupid like that
22:46:06 [Morbus]
"Restart required." whoo!
22:46:07 [Morbus]
brb!
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22:46:11 [sbp]
ooh
22:48:04 [xoot]
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22:48:13 [redmonk]
oy
22:48:18 [sbp]
heh
22:48:40 [xoot]
yo
22:49:34 [xoot]
when do you think fink 0.4 will be out?
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22:54:52 [sbp]
ta da:-
22:54:52 [sbp]
[[[
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<rdf:RDF xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/0.95#"
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xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
22:54:53 [sbp]
<rdf:Description>
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<assertedBy rdf:resource="#Sean"/>
22:54:54 [sbp]
<rdfExprFor rdf:parseType="Literal">
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<rdf:RDF xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/0.95#"
22:54:58 [sbp]
xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#">
22:55:00 [sbp]
<rdf:Description>
22:55:02 [sbp]
<rdf:type rdf:resource="#WCAGCompliantDocument"/>
22:55:04 [sbp]
<date>2002-04-17</date>
22:55:06 [sbp]
<reprOf rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/"/>
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</rdf:Description>
22:55:10 [sbp]
</rdf:RDF>
22:55:12 [sbp]
</rdfExprFor>
22:55:14 [sbp]
</rdf:Description>
22:55:16 [sbp]
</rdf:RDF>
22:55:18 [sbp]
]]]
22:55:20 [sbp]
wb Morbus of the new OS
22:55:21 [Morbus]
welp, the update went smoothly.
22:55:23 [Morbus]
AaronSw, you around?
22:55:33 [Morbus]
sorry sbp
22:55:39 [sbp]
what for?
22:55:43 [Morbus]
thanks.
22:55:49 [sbp]
?
22:55:53 [Morbus]
i feel better already.
22:55:55 [Morbus]
interrupting your []3
22:55:57 [sbp]
:-)
22:56:14 [sbp]
oh, that's alright. You can't help bursting in here with your nice new OSX, can you? :-)
22:56:46 [Morbus]
* Morbus shakes his head vigorously.
22:56:59 [sbp]
so, is it really as good as the legends say?
22:57:14 [Morbus]
i dunno yet.
22:57:19 [Morbus]
i need AaronSw to leech a Moby track.
22:57:25 [Morbus]
i can reliably get frozen ppp when I upload.
23:01:28 [sbp]
Hmm... I need to track down those "how do namespaces get handled in XML literals?" test cases
23:06:49 [sbp]
ah: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2002JanMar/0233
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23:27:59 [Morbus]
AaronSw, do you still have that itunes / applescript around? i can't find mine.
23:33:32 [xoot]
HEy, can I change the topic to a quote?
23:34:24 [Morbus]
no, only sbp, redmonk, AaronSw, and myself can change the topic.
23:35:29 [sbp]
and xena, were she able
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RE ASH
23:35:42 [Ash]
Ash has changed the topic to: /ban xoot
23:35:53 [xoot]
then, change the topic to "God must have really needed to go"
23:35:57 [xoot]
:P
23:36:29 [xoot]
don't
23:36:37 [Morbus]
xoot, that's religiously distasteful. some of us don't even believe in god.
23:36:43 [Morbus]
hell, some of us think we are god :)
23:37:00 [xoot]
like this dude JosephSpiros
23:37:05 [xoot]
in #ithink
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23:37:51 [Morbus]
* Morbus resists the urge to join ithink.
23:37:51 [Morbus]
no, really. i am.
23:37:56 [Morbus]
it's uh... <yawn> pulling me.
23:38:01 [Morbus]
* Morbus cough.
23:38:07 [xoot]
it's not my channel
23:38:13 [xoot]
it's not my company
23:38:20 [sbp]
Morbus: it's um... lively
23:38:28 [xoot]
:P
23:38:44 [Ash]
ithink, that's where xoot works
23:38:47 [sbp]
5 people. Including me. and ChanServ
23:38:51 [xoot]
have you ever went into #macdev
23:38:55 [Ash]
as in 'ithink this company sucks'
23:39:17 [Morbus]
xoot, yeah. i develop mac software.
23:39:23 [Morbus]
i mean, uh. down with macs. macs suck.
23:40:09 [xoot]
I don't work in ithink
23:40:12 [xoot]
*at
23:40:25 [JosephSpiros]
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23:40:27 [JosephSpiros]
LOL!
23:40:35 [xoot]
he is the CEO
23:40:45 [xoot]
JosephSpiros
23:40:46 [sbp]
oh joy
23:40:50 [JosephSpiros]
lol
23:40:58 [xoot]
lol
23:41:02 [Morbus]
* Morbus groans.
23:41:07 [xoot]
<Morbus> xoot, yeah. i develop mac software.
23:41:08 [xoot]
<Morbus> i mean, uh. down with macs. macs suck.
23:41:17 [xoot]
lol
23:41:23 [xoot]
we hunt in pairs
23:41:38 [Ash]
HELLO JOSEPHSPIROS
23:41:40 [Morbus]
ok. that's two in four lines of text.
23:41:43 [Ash]
HOWRU TODAY
23:41:48 [Morbus]
your tla quota is severely being abused.
23:41:54 [Ash]
ARE YOU ON UUNET AT ITHINK
23:42:01 [JosephSpiros]
NO
23:42:03 [JosephSpiros]
I AM NOT
23:42:07 [xoot]
LOL
23:42:11 [Ash]
YOUR CAPSLOCK IS STUCK ON JOSEPHSPIROS
23:42:15 [xoot]
WHY ARE WE ALL SHOUTING???
23:42:22 [JosephSpiros]
I DONT KNOW XOOT
23:42:25 [Ash]
XOOT URS IS STUCK ON TOO
23:42:34 [xoot]
I CAN'T GET IT OFF!
23:42:43 [xoot]
* xoot SCREAMS
23:42:46 [Morbus]
BECAUSE "SWHACK" STANDS FOR "STUPID WEINERS HERE. ACK!"
23:42:55 [Ash]
Oh man.. morbus..
23:43:00 [Ash]
* Ash falls out of his chair
23:43:01 [Ash]
ahaha
23:43:10 [Morbus]
<G>
23:43:12 [xoot]
i thought it stands for ShwartzHack
23:43:36 [xoot]
.acronym sw
23:43:37 [xena]
sw: (USN Rating) Steelworker, Salt Water, Sand Wedge (Golf), Sea Watch/Water, Semantic Web, Server Wallet, Severe Weathering, Shareware, Shipboard Weapon, Short Wave, Short Wave (see HF), Shotgun Wedding, Sidewinder, Signals Warfare, Slepian-Wolf (source network), Small World, Snow Showers (weather reports), Social Worker, Socialist Worker, Socialist Worker's Party (also seen as SWP)
23:43:45 [xoot]
semantic web?
23:43:47 [sbp]
this channel is just a barrel of flippin' whimsy sometimes
23:43:49 [Ash]
This is Socialist Workers hack.
23:43:50 [Ash]
Duh.
23:43:55 [xoot]
heh
23:43:56 [Ash]
We're "hacking the gibson"
23:44:06 [Ash]
THE GIBSON OF CAPITALIST HYPOCRISY!
23:44:07 [Morbus]
* Morbus seig heil's.
23:44:10 [xoot]
not the Anti-Mac channel
23:44:17 [Ash]
What, we're not Anti-Mac anymore?
23:44:32 [sbp]
we can be anti-mac *and* socialist, surely?
23:44:42 [Morbus]
yeaaaaah
23:44:42 [Morbus]
lol.
23:44:43 [JosephSpiros]
hmmm
23:44:53 [JosephSpiros]
what the hell?
23:44:57 [Ash]
sbp: I certainly hope so. Let me check my copy of Marx's "Capital" and see if he has anything in there about the Mac.
23:45:03 [sbp]
lol!
23:45:21 [Morbus]
hehehe
23:45:29 [xoot]
.acronym mac
23:45:30 [xena]
mac: Apple Macintosh Computer, Media Access Control, Chief Machine Accountant (Naval Rating), Immaculata, Macaroni, Machine Address Code, Machine Aided Cognition, MacPaint (File Name Extension), Macro (File Name Extension), Magazine Association of Canada, Maintenance Action Code, Maintenance Administration Center, Maintenance Allocation Chart, Maintenance Availability Computer, Management Action
23:45:31 [xena]
Center, Manchester Athletic Club (Manchester, MA), Mandatory Access Control, Maneuver Area Command, Manitoba Arts Council, Marginal Abatement Cost (curve; metric of costs of complying with Kyoto Protocol for reducing greenhouse gases)
23:45:35 [JosephSpiros]
JosephSpiros has changed the topic to: /ban xoot | iThink this company sucks.
23:45:51 [JosephSpiros]
much better
23:46:07 [JosephSpiros]
anyway, goodbye, dinne...
23:46:12 [sbp]
yeah, bye
23:46:13 [JosephSpiros]
dinner more like
23:46:18 [JosephSpiros]
JosephSpiros has left #swhack
23:46:19 [xoot]
bye, joe
23:46:30 [sbp]
rather: yeah? bye
23:46:38 [sbp]
Hmm... dunno
23:46:49 [Ash]
JOSEPHSPIROS PLZ DO NOT LEAVE
23:46:57 [Ash]
WE NEEDED HELP FROM ITHINK, U NEED TO FIRE XOOT
23:47:34 [sbp]
Pff, first you want to ban him... now you want to fire him! make up your mind!
23:47:57 [xoot]
i don't work at ithink
23:48:05 [xoot]
i work at the ithink group
23:48:08 [xoot]
:P
23:48:29 [sbp]
funny that the acronym "mac" returns "Apple Macintosh Computer" as the first hit
23:49:07 [Ash]
sbp: I was hoping for both :-(
23:49:19 [Ash]
xoot, does your computer have any tree files on it?
23:49:44 [xoot]
huh?
23:50:41 [Ash]
xoot: You know, tree files.
23:50:45 [Ash]
Are you using MacOS X?
23:50:48 [xoot]
yeah
23:51:10 [Morbus]
hey sbp, do you have a local copy of the swhack logs?
23:51:16 [sbp]
I do indeed
23:51:22 [Ash]
You can optimize the system startup by removing the debug code
23:51:26 [Morbus]
i'm looking for the url and matching comments of that other deltree chat trans.
23:51:37 [sbp]
er...
23:51:39 [xoot]
and i'm logging swhack too!
23:51:41 [Morbus]
oh man.
23:51:46 [Morbus]
* Morbus just checked the "other" sbp room.
23:51:47 [Ash]
find / -unlink & remove --debug_code
23:52:05 [sbp]
* sbp smacks forehead
23:52:09 [Ash]
that will get rid of all the debug code in OSX
23:52:12 [Ash]
have you done that Morbus?
23:52:49 [Morbus]
i saved about 300 megs of space.
23:52:55 [Ash]
Awesome, me too.
23:53:00 [Ash]
My system boots about 20 secs faster too
23:53:06 [Morbus]
took a little bit, but was clean as a whilstle after :)
23:53:32 [xoot]
heh... i use the debugging code
23:53:51 [xoot]
because I have dev tools
23:57:41 [Morbus]
yeah, it doesn't affect the debug tools.
23:57:41 [Morbus]
er, the dev tools, rather.
23:57:41 [Ash]
I use the dev tools with debug off. It isn't anything you can get at.. it's just apple internal cruft.
23:57:41 [xoot]
heh
23:57:41 [Ash]
cool, xoot
23:58:34 [Morbus]
Morbus has changed the topic to: swhack Strive for Mediocrity
23:58:34 [Morbus]
Morbus has changed the topic to: Strive for Mediocrity
23:58:35 [Morbus]
huh.