00:00:08 it worked! 00:00:45 that's it. I'm going downtown! 00:00:47 * jillium escapes. 00:01:13 as a bonus, this one is much smaller than the old one 00:01:27 what kind is it? 00:01:31 BTI 00:01:50 ? 00:02:00 oh 00:02:07 neat 00:03:01 * sbp writes a bit more about -i 00:04:00 you left out the dct prefix 00:04:14 sbp: random.choice 00:04:28 string.lowercase 00:04:40 +string.digits 00:05:57 you should have the default default prefix be <#> 00:07:32 no wot prefix? 00:07:58 ah, didn't know about choice. Oh well 00:08:20 (thanks anyway: I can use it in future) 00:08:30 default default: that's a good idea 00:09:03 wot/dct: not in the 10odd MB of N3 that I processed 00:09:14 i guess you need more n3 00:09:15 but feel free to add it manually, or use -i 00:09:22 heh 00:09:33 Feh, won't you add anything to the code? 00:09:34 sbp: you are allowed to use : in a strftime format string 00:09:43 it probably has been used, but I only added the most popular things 00:10:04 deltab: argh! dunno why I didn't do that 00:10:17 oh, smeg it, I'll edit 00:10:22 woohoo! 00:10:32 add dct and wot while you're at it :) 00:10:33 hmm, I just had an idea for doing more efficient backups on unix 00:11:30 i'm still looking for a way to do backups on os x without spending money on dantz tech support 00:11:43 yeah 00:12:06 .google wot site:xmlns.org 00:12:14 argh 00:12:24 if you have a package manager, you can exclude from the backup any file that is part of a package and not modified 00:12:25 http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/ 00:12:42 of course 00:12:46 yep, just got it... 00:12:52 (and noticed the .org error 00:12:53 ) 00:12:58 I wonder if any backup tools actually do that 00:13:09 i know kragen wrote one that did (using dpkg) 00:13:16 URI for dcq? 00:13:23 dcq or dct? 00:13:33 er... whichever one you want 00:13:43 http://purl.org/dc/terms/ 00:13:48 thanks 00:13:49 should be both dcq and dct, i think 00:14:49 why do you duplicate keywords in mappings? 00:15:00 where? 00:15:10 ah ha, tar has an -X option 00:15:17 at the top of the document, you have KEYWORDS 00:15:35 and on l148, you have mappings 00:15:53 does Amanda work on OSX? 00:16:00 Hmm... good point 00:16:07 amanda seemed scary 00:16:22 -X Do not cross mount points in the file system. 00:16:35 um, no 00:16:41 -X, --exclude-from FILE 00:16:41 exclude files listed in FILE 00:16:47 are you using GNU tar? 00:16:47 it's a little steep right at the beginning, but I understand it's not too bad and it's really stable 00:17:09 i'm using osx tar 00:17:25 that's NeXT or BSD tar, not GNU tar 00:17:31 heh, interesting name for a weblog: http://www.validatethis.com/ 00:17:40 anyway, I'm trying to back up felter.org 00:17:48 osx has gnu tar as 'gnutar', right? 00:17:52 yes 00:17:58 ah, so it does 00:18:03 is rackspace going down or something? 00:18:16 no, I just feel like backing up 00:19:45 * bitsko eeks as the rpm for graphviz spews a huge license notice 00:20:01 rackspace is going bankrupt next week 00:20:04 didn't you guys hear? 00:20:12 * wmf laughs 00:20:29 seen on rackspace-hosted amibankruptornot.com 00:20:32 ;-) 00:20:41 that's because they've been profitable for a year, right? 00:21:11 CCCP looks really attractive, but I want to hear reports from their users 00:22:51 do they have users? 00:23:04 I don't know 00:23:14 I certainly don't want to be the first 00:23:43 heh, it's not like you'd be wasting a lot of money 00:23:51 I accidentally typed an rpm command on OS X and the shell suggested that I really meant rm :-) 00:24:07 eek. 00:24:14 considering that I'd have to buy a server to host with them, it would be a nontrivial amount of money 00:24:17 good thing you weren't trying to install -rf 00:24:32 i meant you could try out a vhosting account 00:24:40 vhosting is useless to me 00:24:53 why? 00:24:54 (until EROS world domination happens) 00:25:11 i mean't just to test stability 00:25:32 it could work 00:25:34 i was thinking about sending my server out there if my current host went down 00:26:46 communitycolo sounds sorta like a tav project... 00:27:52 hmm, I don't remember how to verify all installed packages (short of using xargs...) 00:28:23 rpm -V -a 00:28:53 * bitsko ;) 00:29:54 hmm, it works fine as long as I don't use --nodeps --nofiles --noscripts 00:30:05 heh: http://www.gnuhost.com/colo/msg00699.html 00:31:43 Gotta run: dinner 00:31:44 O.K., I've updated n3s 00:31:49 c'ya 00:32:08 * wmf 's ego grows dangerously large :-) 00:33:04 wow, CCCP pays for power 00:35:52 * sbp is pretty confident about releasing now... 00:41:59 Ash has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:44:50 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 00:44:54 heh: "no Dual Athlons (for power reasons)" 00:46:41 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.199) has joined #swhack 00:56:01 xoot (~xoot@184.sanjose-03-04rs16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net) has joined #swhack 00:57:38 xoot is pronounced ksoot 00:57:51 oh 00:58:07 well Ash is pronounced "huzzah" 00:58:11 Just in case you wondered 00:58:21 :D lol 00:58:25 monokrom has quit ("It ain't easy bein greasy") 00:58:31 I put up another website today... 00:58:39 oh good 00:58:44 is it p2p HAX0RING TIEM 00:58:46 this one's at http://homepage.mac.com/secret300/ 01:02:21 advertising your sites is annoying, xoot 01:02:30 stop it, K PLZ THX 01:02:36 yeah right 01:02:38 you do so hack 01:02:53 /msg xoot No, I'm not going to teach you to "hack" 01:02:56 oops 01:09:54 xoot has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: xooter!xoot@37.sanjose-01-02rs16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net))) 01:11:03 xoot (xoot@37.sanjose-01-02rs16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net) has joined #swhack 01:12:31 xoot has changed the topic to: "The phrase 'time is money' is an insult to time" - unknown 01:14:03 xoot has quit ("bbl :D") 01:14:14 hey, that was actually a decent topic 01:16:50 yes. I'm rather surprised 01:17:15 wow, these CCCP folks really didn't know what they were doing 01:17:41 what do you mean? 01:18:07 "how do we measure bandwidth?" "what kind of switch do we need?" type of stuff 01:18:29 they seem to have figured it out, though 01:26:12 hackerdojo sounds pretty cool 01:26:31 oh, neat. yourmom is a hackerdojo 01:26:41 no xena in #rdfig? 01:28:03 heh, these guys can't keep their bandwidth usage under control 01:28:17 cite? 01:28:37 http://www.gnuhost.com/colo/msg00661.html 01:31:21 Ash has changed the topic to: n3 1 haev |33+ 0-day k3rnelz?? 01:31:30 they should put all the servers in a van with a big battery and then wardrive 01:31:37 heh 01:32:18 WHAT SI BANDWIDTHE LIMATING? 01:32:31 $675 in network bills is nothing 01:32:47 AaronSw has changed the topic to: $675 in network bills is nothing 01:33:08 yeah, but they were counting on it being something like $250 01:33:30 they need a rich donor 01:34:10 or do a bit of dodgy trading 01:34:41 tax-writeoffs, baby 01:34:45 heh 01:35:02 maybe I should take down www.gnuhost.com/projects/warez/ :-( 01:35:07 didn't they realise that their acronym had been taken already by a country (and about a billion other groups according to Google)? 01:35:21 yeah, that's why they chose it 01:35:26 I think I'll wait until they have their act more together before considering them 01:35:48 ah, so that they'd melt into the background hum, and secure relative obscurity 01:37:00 Gotta run 01:38:07 CCCP 01:38:09 love it 01:42:05 damn, rpm --verify only shows me files that don't verify 01:42:37 rpm sucks 01:43:48 so I guess I would have to get the list of all rpm-managed files, then subtract the files that don't match to get the list of files not to back up 01:45:11 or just rpm -e * 01:45:14 that works for me 01:45:40 Does the A in Ash stand for antagonist? 01:45:44 * AaronSw ducks 01:45:48 ehehehe 01:45:59 AaronSw: Sadly, no. I just hate rpms. :) 01:46:11 I should have a copy of KRUDserver here in a day or two 01:46:13 I hope it's good. 01:52:45 ooh, beep is cool 01:53:34 damn haxx0rs 02:23:10 heh, CBDTPA backronyms: 02:23:20 "Consume, But Don't Try Programming Anything" 02:23:28 "Customers Be Damn Terrorists and Pirates Act" 02:23:33 "Consumers Better Dump This Pernicious Act" 02:28:58 having a cell phone as my only phone is a great idea... except when there's no service in my apartment 02:29:12 heh 02:29:25 voice-over-ip! 02:35:29 woo! "Consumers Better Dump This Pernicious Act" 02:35:31 err 02:35:35 we got signal! 02:35:36 I'm also seeing that http is a powerful protocol that has been reduced to minimal functionality by the limits of web browsing. 02:35:57 woo 02:38:52 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:38:53 Hi 02:41:53 BenSw has quit () 02:43:14 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:48:39 heh! If-None-Match: W/"xyzzy", W/"r2d2xxxx", W/"c3piozzzz" 02:48:54 ah, kherr is seeing the light 02:49:15 why does iTunes cut off my ID3 tags 02:49:39 iTunes totally mangles ID3 tags according to the bitzi guys 02:49:40 * AaronSw tries upgrade id3 tag version 02:50:02 ah, worked 02:50:15 i guess the new version allocates more space 02:52:04 * AaronSw upgrades all 630 of his mp3 files 02:52:11 bam 02:52:30 another symptom Early Adopter Syndrome 02:53:05 * Ash gives wmf one of those cell phone antenna booster things 02:53:08 As Seen On Tv 02:53:20 fine print: do not use while fcc agents are around 02:53:30 heh 02:53:52 hehe 02:54:16 You know, up until about a year ago there was a model of scanner you could buy at radio shack that would let you listen to analog cell calls. 02:54:23 You just had to manually type in the frequency range 02:54:27 what happened a year ago? 02:54:41 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 02:55:03 AaronSw: *shrug* It looks like they dropped it. 02:55:04 thos scanners are illegal now 02:55:11 Well, they've been illegal for some time now 02:55:18 but they still had this one in their catalog 02:55:38 I guess they figured as long as you had to know what you were doing to make it work, nobody would notice 02:55:38 heh 02:55:38 hm, i'm trying to read this itunes display: do i have 2 hours or 2 days of Mp3s? 02:55:52 AaronSw: Two minutes 02:57:03 heh 03:08:06 heh, someone has a /. account called "CmdrTaco (editor)" 03:13:05 heh 03:13:12 that won't last long 03:13:28 nope, that account has been around for months 03:13:41 does he abuse it? 03:14:02 no, but I'm sure he gets modded up more than he deserves 03:14:08 oierw` has quit ("hmm.") 03:15:00 I think the /. editors have too much of a hands-off attitude 03:15:19 it'd be one thing if they implemented crypto anarchy... 03:18:49 one of the /. guys went into great length at SXSW about how they can't even read their own logs and stuff so they won't be biased 03:19:03 biased towards what? 03:19:40 the example he gave was that one day their automatic IP blocking system blocked AOL, and they didn't know (or care, apparently) about it 03:19:41 why is Word taking up 30% of CPU when it's sitting completely idle? 03:19:55 it blocked all of AOL? 03:20:26 AOL's proxies use very few IP addresses 03:21:58 geez, doing CGI scripting again makes me miss the ACS... 03:23:10 so they don't read their logs as an excuse to block AOL users? 03:23:35 no, they obfuscate their logs so they *can't* read them 03:24:13 so when AOL complained about being blocked, /. said "hey man, we have no control over our blocking system" 03:24:21 ah 03:24:36 "it's an AI man, it's like the terminator." 03:24:44 err AI, man. 03:24:52 03:27:53 oh yeah, I was going to backup tonight 03:29:29 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 03:30:07 ah, here's kragen's backup script http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-hacks/1999-April/000172.html 03:30:35 er, here: http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-hacks/2002-February/000320.html 03:32:45 damn, I have blank CDs around here *somewhere*... 03:35:24 btw, for debian users: apt-listchanges is really cool 03:36:40 oierw` has quit ("hmm.") 03:37:27 "There are some people in the Bush administration who have the same mentality as Arafat or Sharon. I can name names, like Ashcroft, Cheney and Rumsfeld, although that is considered impolite." 03:41:15 .dns www.111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.com 03:41:15 www.111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.com - 66.186.5.205 03:41:19 odd. 03:46:01 heh: http://www.platypus.ro/content/entry.php?2002/April/09d 03:51:10 i better get to bed. nite all 03:53:38 wmf has quit ("wmf has no reason") 03:54:28 i'm your outer child 04:08:09 BenSw has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:22:43 Ward on blocking robots: "Yes, It has been this way from the beginning. I was concerned that unrefered visitors would not show the site sufficient respect. Perhaps it is time to reconsider." 05:24:18 now i'm really off (while i look for numbers to cheat with in coin flips) 05:24:48 (or rather, my computer does) 09:05:25 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 09:17:11 oierw` has quit ("hmm.") 12:51:50 it occurred to me: for extra security, just hash something like KDSRJODGSOjgROSGJoGsoGJOogsOgojrgsGOjs7 12:52:03 i.e. an alphanumeric string with a digit on the end 13:05:55 wow, swintro has pulled in 10000 visitors 13:19:06 well, i got up to 280000 13:19:13 no luck 13:19:23 security: yeah, i came up with that last night 13:19:38 have one party challenge the other to put a string of their choice at the beginning of the number 13:19:56 i.e. 13:19:57 A: 'monkey' 13:19:57 B: hash('monkey'+n) 13:21:02 heh! email: "I just thought I'd point out that since Google has indexed your Google Weblog, your example of a search with no hits and a misspelling is now returning a hit." 13:21:12 i am the world leader in morbus embarasment oils 13:22:42 * AaronSw waits while his computer frees up however many gig his hash search thing used up 13:27:03 oh, vanilla coke was an april fools joke? 13:28:44 heh: "Celine Dion's new album won't work in many of the world's CD players. That means there's much less chance of me having to hear it. Hooray! Even better, it appears that attempting to play the CD in some CDROM drives will cause PCs to crash. I'm quite sure it's not a coincidence that this is the CD they've decided to try this technique on first. Record executives are obviously not subtle people." 13:31:41 that feature doesn't work for me 13:31:48 because of the broken HTML 13:32:06 which part of it? 13:32:40 meat in the body 13:32:46 meta 13:33:08 ah. 13:33:43 it was pretty badly written altogether, i think. for the first three seconds on my browser i'm like "why is this page have the google logo but no content?" 13:33:51 and then i'm like "why is it moving?!" 13:34:00 also, 0-second delays are bad 13:37:04 i'm thinking they should have used a 300 redirect 13:40:07 wow, broken link city: http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/Mosaic/Docs/old-whats-new/whats-new-1093.html 13:40:13 now did he write that in emacs or what 13:46:32 heh! http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9707/df970710.jpg 13:47:03 you only got up to 280000? it only takes a few seconds to do a million 13:47:15 maybe on your machine, buster... 13:47:31 what code did you use? 13:48:00 er, that was 2800000 13:48:17 hm, that still sounds like too little 13:51:00 interesting: http://google.blogspace.com/archives/000214 13:51:10 I just used the simple thing that I showed y'all earlier 13:51:34 you didn't show me nuttin 13:52:02 hm 13:52:04 to do bigger dictionaries, you might want to split it up (since they're like capacitors) 13:52:25 but if i split it up, i'd have to check all of them and it'd still be slow 13:52:48 heh: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200002/df20000210.jpg 13:52:53 nah, because you'd do like a million in each, so for 100 million, you'd only have to search 100. it wouldn't take all that long 13:53:28 i expect it'd be just as slow as one big one, because if it was faster python would do it internally 13:53:45 good point 13:54:51 actually, I recall hashing 5,000,000, but I didn't put them in a dictionary 13:59:32 Dr. Fun: "(For those you who are confused, the ACM is people who work with computing machinery, not a bunch of computing machinery that formed an association.)" 14:05:01 ugh, how disgusting: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=232#FAQID593 14:06:59 soon they'll ban us from *refering* to copyrighted material in speech 14:07:12 Heh, it'd be funny if the W3C formed a political wing to fight these suits 14:07:31 life imprisonment for anyone that even mentions the word "DeCSS"! 14:07:38 heh, heh, heh 14:07:38 timbl: no, no, your hnonro its all part of a gl9obal igm0ration space! 14:08:13 danc (whispering to timbl): you don't have to make typoes while you're speaking 14:08:26 sbp has changed the topic to: How many times do I have to quote "'"'"DeCSS"'"'" before it's legal? 14:08:45 heh! 14:09:08 can you link to a page that links to decss? 14:09:23 heh, heh... Hmm... 14:09:41 to quote: "A few courts have now held that a hyperlink violates the law if it points to illegal material with the purpose of disseminating that illegal material" 14:10:05 so if you point to that page because that page points to DeCSS, then I guess so 14:10:36 i guess the new york times lost that suit 14:10:46 how silly. These judges ought to think about their actions before they set unconstitutional precedents 14:10:48 they were complaining that they couldn't say "people sell drugs on 5th and 29th" 14:11:04 ugh 14:11:51 maybe they could all argue the hyperlinks were for the purpose of telling people where not to go 14:14:49 heh, that'd be an interesting arguments 14:14:54 s/ts/t/ 14:15:13 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 14:15:33 hm. neon yellow shirt or puke green? 14:16:06 hey redmonk 14:17:50 ello aaron 14:18:00 morning everyone 14:20:59 well go skedattle off to class 14:21:23 hopefully i won't make too much of a fool of myself 14:21:32 * AaronSw practices chalk-writing motions 14:22:31 laters 14:22:56 good luck 14:32:20 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 14:40:20 Ash_ (~aaron@166.70.121.2) has joined #swhack 14:57:58 oierw` has quit ("hmm.") 15:37:02 Seth has quit () 16:15:29 Seth (~seth@12-230-243-179.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 16:15:42 redmonk has quit ("cya") 16:18:06 hello 16:18:34 HI ASW 16:18:58 heh 16:19:05 What, you haven't seen someone join using MS Comic Chat? 16:19:07 heh 16:19:12 oh, right 16:19:16 ;-) 16:19:29 ;9404 hey d00dkdk 16:20:13 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/get7.html 16:20:20 been there, done that 16:20:35 rather: been there, done that, read the email 16:21:16 ooh! http://answers.google.com 16:21:36 uh 16:21:40 that takes me to a normal google page 16:21:42 I must suck 16:21:44 :-( 16:21:44 me too 16:21:47 exactly! 16:21:59 huh? 16:22:30 it means they must be planning something there 16:22:40 yeah right 16:22:46 it's just to throw you off, aaronsw 16:22:47 uh.... huh 16:22:52 check out http://warez.google.com/ 16:22:55 compare with stalker.google.com which is a 404 16:23:11 see, those don't redirect! 16:23:53 no it isn't 16:23:55 deltab@mewtwo ~/lab/cyc $ HEAD stalker.google.com 16:23:55 500 Can't connect to stalker.google.com:80 (Bad hostname 'stalker.google.com') 16:24:15 that's a kind of 404 in my system. 16:24:19 heh 16:24:22 500 sounds like the wrong response 16:24:25 it's not internal 16:24:35 my system being archiverProxy 16:24:59 Gotta run 16:25:08 no HTTP error code applies, because no HTTP connection was made 16:26:34 hmmm ... "The important distinction here is that the user did not request the side-effects, so therefore cannot be held accountable for them. 16:27:44 so if i HTTT GET a porno picture of a minor, I cannot be held accountable for it ? ... I dont thin so. 16:28:14 "accountable for [side effects]" 16:28:55 what's a side effect? 16:29:53 one cannot move the slightest electron witout causing 'side effects' in this world or in any cyber world . 16:30:00 something that the server does based on your request other than send you the response 16:32:18 well in this case the server might log the request, and transmit it to the feds .. anyone doing such a GET must be responsible for those side effects .. this concept breaks down 16:34:15 and incidentally im not arguing with the principal, i think its great, but it is based on idealism, not fact. 16:39:42 in other words, logging http GETs, breaks this principle. 16:49:35 xoot (xoot@135.sanjose-01-02rs16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net) has joined #swhack 16:54:07 xooter (xoot@177.sanjose-13-14rs16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net) has joined #swhack 16:54:29 xoot has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: xooter!xoot@177.sanjose-13-14rs16rt.ca.dial-access.att.net))) 16:54:41 xooter is now known as xoot 16:55:29 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 17:02:45