IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-15

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00:00:08 [wmf]
it worked!
00:00:45 [jillium]
that's it. I'm going downtown!
00:00:47 [jillium]
* jillium escapes.
00:01:13 [wmf]
as a bonus, this one is much smaller than the old one
00:01:27 [AaronSw]
what kind is it?
00:01:31 [wmf]
BTI
00:01:50 [AaronSw]
?
00:02:00 [AaronSw]
oh
00:02:07 [AaronSw]
neat
00:03:01 [sbp]
* sbp writes a bit more about -i
00:04:00 [AaronSw]
you left out the dct prefix
00:04:14 [deltab]
sbp: random.choice
00:04:28 [AaronSw]
string.lowercase
00:04:40 [AaronSw]
+string.digits
00:05:57 [AaronSw]
you should have the default default prefix be <#>
00:07:32 [AaronSw]
no wot prefix?
00:07:58 [sbp]
ah, didn't know about choice. Oh well
00:08:20 [sbp]
(thanks anyway: I can use it in future)
00:08:30 [sbp]
default default: that's a good idea
00:09:03 [sbp]
wot/dct: not in the 10odd MB of N3 that I processed
00:09:14 [AaronSw]
i guess you need more n3
00:09:15 [sbp]
but feel free to add it manually, or use -i
00:09:22 [sbp]
heh
00:09:33 [AaronSw]
Feh, won't you add anything to the code?
00:09:34 [deltab]
sbp: you are allowed to use : in a strftime format string
00:09:43 [sbp]
it probably has been used, but I only added the most popular things
00:10:04 [sbp]
deltab: argh! dunno why I didn't do that
00:10:17 [sbp]
oh, smeg it, I'll edit
00:10:22 [AaronSw]
woohoo!
00:10:32 [AaronSw]
add dct and wot while you're at it :)
00:10:33 [wmf]
hmm, I just had an idea for doing more efficient backups on unix
00:11:30 [AaronSw]
i'm still looking for a way to do backups on os x without spending money on dantz tech support
00:11:43 [wmf]
yeah
00:12:06 [sbp]
.google wot site:xmlns.org
00:12:14 [sbp]
argh
00:12:24 [wmf]
if you have a package manager, you can exclude from the backup any file that is part of a package and not modified
00:12:25 [AaronSw]
http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/
00:12:42 [AaronSw]
of course
00:12:46 [sbp]
yep, just got it...
00:12:52 [sbp]
(and noticed the .org error
00:12:53 [sbp]
)
00:12:58 [wmf]
I wonder if any backup tools actually do that
00:13:09 [AaronSw]
i know kragen wrote one that did (using dpkg)
00:13:16 [sbp]
URI for dcq?
00:13:23 [AaronSw]
dcq or dct?
00:13:33 [sbp]
er... whichever one you want
00:13:43 [AaronSw]
http://purl.org/dc/terms/
00:13:48 [sbp]
thanks
00:13:49 [AaronSw]
should be both dcq and dct, i think
00:14:49 [AaronSw]
why do you duplicate keywords in mappings?
00:15:00 [sbp]
where?
00:15:10 [wmf]
ah ha, tar has an -X option
00:15:17 [AaronSw]
at the top of the document, you have KEYWORDS
00:15:35 [AaronSw]
and on l148, you have mappings
00:15:53 [bitsko]
does Amanda work on OSX?
00:16:00 [sbp]
Hmm... good point
00:16:07 [AaronSw]
amanda seemed scary
00:16:22 [AaronSw]
-X Do not cross mount points in the file system.
00:16:35 [wmf]
um, no
00:16:41 [wmf]
-X, --exclude-from FILE
00:16:41 [wmf]
exclude files listed in FILE
00:16:47 [wmf]
are you using GNU tar?
00:16:47 [bitsko]
it's a little steep right at the beginning, but I understand it's not too bad and it's really stable
00:17:09 [AaronSw]
i'm using osx tar
00:17:25 [wmf]
that's NeXT or BSD tar, not GNU tar
00:17:31 [AaronSw]
heh, interesting name for a weblog: http://www.validatethis.com/
00:17:40 [wmf]
anyway, I'm trying to back up felter.org
00:17:48 [bitsko]
osx has gnu tar as 'gnutar', right?
00:17:52 [wmf]
yes
00:17:58 [AaronSw]
ah, so it does
00:18:03 [AaronSw]
is rackspace going down or something?
00:18:16 [wmf]
no, I just feel like backing up
00:19:45 [bitsko]
* bitsko eeks as the rpm for graphviz spews a huge license notice
00:20:01 [Ash]
rackspace is going bankrupt next week
00:20:04 [Ash]
didn't you guys hear?
00:20:12 [wmf]
* wmf laughs
00:20:29 [AaronSw]
seen on rackspace-hosted amibankruptornot.com
00:20:32 [Ash]
;-)
00:20:41 [wmf]
that's because they've been profitable for a year, right?
00:21:11 [wmf]
CCCP looks really attractive, but I want to hear reports from their users
00:22:51 [AaronSw]
do they have users?
00:23:04 [wmf]
I don't know
00:23:14 [wmf]
I certainly don't want to be the first
00:23:43 [AaronSw]
heh, it's not like you'd be wasting a lot of money
00:23:51 [wmf]
I accidentally typed an rpm command on OS X and the shell suggested that I really meant rm :-)
00:24:07 [AaronSw]
eek.
00:24:14 [wmf]
considering that I'd have to buy a server to host with them, it would be a nontrivial amount of money
00:24:17 [AaronSw]
good thing you weren't trying to install -rf
00:24:32 [AaronSw]
i meant you could try out a vhosting account
00:24:40 [wmf]
vhosting is useless to me
00:24:53 [AaronSw]
why?
00:24:54 [wmf]
(until EROS world domination happens)
00:25:11 [AaronSw]
i mean't just to test stability
00:25:32 [wmf]
it could work <shrug/>
00:25:34 [AaronSw]
i was thinking about sending my server out there if my current host went down
00:26:46 [AaronSw]
communitycolo sounds sorta like a tav project...
00:27:52 [wmf]
hmm, I don't remember how to verify all installed packages (short of using xargs...)
00:28:23 [bitsko]
rpm -V -a
00:28:53 [bitsko]
* bitsko ;)
00:29:54 [wmf]
hmm, it works fine as long as I don't use --nodeps --nofiles --noscripts
00:30:05 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.gnuhost.com/colo/msg00699.html
00:31:43 [AaronSw]
Gotta run: dinner
00:31:44 [sbp]
O.K., I've updated n3s
00:31:49 [sbp]
c'ya
00:32:08 [wmf]
* wmf 's ego grows dangerously large :-)
00:33:04 [wmf]
wow, CCCP pays for power
00:35:52 [sbp]
* sbp is pretty confident about releasing now...
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heh: "no Dual Athlons (for power reasons)"
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00:57:38 [xoot]
xoot is pronounced ksoot
00:57:51 [Ash]
oh
00:58:07 [Ash]
well Ash is pronounced "huzzah"
00:58:11 [Ash]
Just in case you wondered
00:58:21 [xoot]
:D lol
00:58:25 [monokrom]
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00:58:31 [xoot]
I put up another website today...
00:58:39 [Ash]
oh good
00:58:44 [Ash]
is it p2p HAX0RING TIEM
00:58:46 [xoot]
this one's at http://homepage.mac.com/secret300/
01:02:21 [Ash]
advertising your sites is annoying, xoot
01:02:30 [Ash]
stop it, K PLZ THX
01:02:36 [Ash]
yeah right
01:02:38 [Ash]
you do so hack
01:02:53 [Ash]
/msg xoot No, I'm not going to teach you to "hack"
01:02:56 [Ash]
oops
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xoot has changed the topic to: "The phrase 'time is money' is an insult to time" - unknown
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01:14:14 [AaronSw]
hey, that was actually a decent topic
01:16:50 [sbp]
yes. I'm rather surprised
01:17:15 [wmf]
wow, these CCCP folks really didn't know what they were doing
01:17:41 [AaronSw]
what do you mean?
01:18:07 [wmf]
"how do we measure bandwidth?" "what kind of switch do we need?" type of stuff
01:18:29 [wmf]
they seem to have figured it out, though
01:26:12 [AaronSw]
hackerdojo sounds pretty cool
01:26:31 [AaronSw]
oh, neat. yourmom is a hackerdojo
01:26:41 [sbp]
no xena in #rdfig?
01:28:03 [wmf]
heh, these guys can't keep their bandwidth usage under control
01:28:17 [AaronSw]
cite?
01:28:37 [wmf]
http://www.gnuhost.com/colo/msg00661.html
01:31:21 [Ash]
Ash has changed the topic to: <xoot> n3 1 haev |33+ 0-day k3rnelz??
01:31:30 [AaronSw]
they should put all the servers in a van with a big battery and then wardrive
01:31:37 [wmf]
heh
01:32:18 [Ash]
<gnuhost> WHAT SI BANDWIDTHE LIMATING?
01:32:31 [Ash]
$675 in network bills is nothing
01:32:47 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: <Ash> $675 in network bills is nothing
01:33:08 [wmf]
yeah, but they were counting on it being something like $250
01:33:30 [AaronSw]
they need a rich donor
01:34:10 [sbp]
or do a bit of dodgy trading
01:34:41 [AaronSw]
tax-writeoffs, baby
01:34:45 [Ash]
heh
01:35:02 [Ash]
maybe I should take down www.gnuhost.com/projects/warez/ :-(
01:35:07 [sbp]
didn't they realise that their acronym had been taken already by a country (and about a billion other groups according to Google)?
01:35:21 [AaronSw]
yeah, that's why they chose it
01:35:26 [wmf]
I think I'll wait until they have their act more together before considering them
01:35:48 [sbp]
ah, so that they'd melt into the background hum, and secure relative obscurity
01:37:00 [sbp]
Gotta run
01:38:07 [Ash]
CCCP
01:38:09 [Ash]
love it
01:42:05 [wmf]
damn, rpm --verify only shows me files that don't verify
01:42:37 [Ash]
rpm sucks
01:43:48 [wmf]
so I guess I would have to get the list of all rpm-managed files, then subtract the files that don't match to get the list of files not to back up
01:45:11 [Ash]
or just rpm -e *
01:45:14 [Ash]
that works for me
01:45:40 [AaronSw]
Does the A in Ash stand for antagonist?
01:45:44 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw ducks
01:45:48 [Ash]
ehehehe
01:45:59 [Ash]
AaronSw: Sadly, no. I just hate rpms. :)
01:46:11 [Ash]
I should have a copy of KRUDserver here in a day or two
01:46:13 [Ash]
I hope it's good.
01:52:45 [AaronSw]
ooh, beep is cool
01:53:34 [wmf]
damn haxx0rs
02:23:10 [AaronSw]
heh, CBDTPA backronyms:
02:23:20 [AaronSw]
"Consume, But Don't Try Programming Anything"
02:23:28 [AaronSw]
"Customers Be Damn Terrorists and Pirates Act"
02:23:33 [AaronSw]
"Consumers Better Dump This Pernicious Act"
02:28:58 [wmf]
having a cell phone as my only phone is a great idea... except when there's no service in my apartment
02:29:12 [AaronSw]
heh
02:29:25 [AaronSw]
voice-over-ip!
02:35:29 [AaronSw]
woo! "Consumers Better Dump This Pernicious Act"
02:35:31 [AaronSw]
err
02:35:35 [wmf]
we got signal!
02:35:36 [AaronSw]
<kherr> I'm also seeing that http is a powerful protocol that has been reduced to minimal functionality by the limits of web browsing.
02:35:57 [AaronSw]
woo
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02:38:53 [BenSw]
Hi
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02:48:39 [AaronSw]
heh! If-None-Match: W/"xyzzy", W/"r2d2xxxx", W/"c3piozzzz"
02:48:54 [wmf]
ah, kherr is seeing the light
02:49:15 [AaronSw]
why does iTunes cut off my ID3 tags
02:49:39 [wmf]
iTunes totally mangles ID3 tags according to the bitzi guys
02:49:40 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw tries upgrade id3 tag version
02:50:02 [AaronSw]
ah, worked
02:50:15 [AaronSw]
i guess the new version allocates more space
02:52:04 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw upgrades all 630 of his mp3 files
02:52:11 [Ash]
bam
02:52:30 [AaronSw]
another symptom Early Adopter Syndrome
02:53:05 [Ash]
* Ash gives wmf one of those cell phone antenna booster things
02:53:08 [Ash]
As Seen On Tv
02:53:20 [AaronSw]
fine print: do not use while fcc agents are around
02:53:30 [wmf]
heh
02:53:52 [Ash]
hehe
02:54:16 [Ash]
You know, up until about a year ago there was a model of scanner you could buy at radio shack that would let you listen to analog cell calls.
02:54:23 [Ash]
You just had to manually type in the frequency range
02:54:27 [AaronSw]
what happened a year ago?
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02:55:03 [Ash]
AaronSw: *shrug* It looks like they dropped it.
02:55:04 [wmf]
thos scanners are illegal now
02:55:11 [Ash]
Well, they've been illegal for some time now
02:55:18 [Ash]
but they still had this one in their catalog
02:55:38 [Ash]
I guess they figured as long as you had to know what you were doing to make it work, nobody would notice
02:55:38 [Ash]
heh
02:55:38 [AaronSw]
hm, i'm trying to read this itunes display: do i have 2 hours or 2 days of Mp3s?
02:55:52 [Ash]
AaronSw: Two minutes
02:57:03 [AaronSw]
heh
03:08:06 [wmf]
heh, someone has a /. account called "CmdrTaco (editor)"
03:13:05 [AaronSw]
heh
03:13:12 [AaronSw]
that won't last long
03:13:28 [wmf]
nope, that account has been around for months
03:13:41 [AaronSw]
does he abuse it?
03:14:02 [wmf]
no, but I'm sure he gets modded up more than he deserves
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03:15:00 [wmf]
I think the /. editors have too much of a hands-off attitude
03:15:19 [AaronSw]
it'd be one thing if they implemented crypto anarchy...
03:18:49 [wmf]
one of the /. guys went into great length at SXSW about how they can't even read their own logs and stuff so they won't be biased
03:19:03 [AaronSw]
biased towards what?
03:19:40 [wmf]
the example he gave was that one day their automatic IP blocking system blocked AOL, and they didn't know (or care, apparently) about it
03:19:41 [AaronSw]
why is Word taking up 30% of CPU when it's sitting completely idle?
03:19:55 [AaronSw]
it blocked all of AOL?
03:20:26 [wmf]
AOL's proxies use very few IP addresses
03:21:58 [AaronSw]
geez, doing CGI scripting again makes me miss the ACS...
03:23:10 [AaronSw]
so they don't read their logs as an excuse to block AOL users?
03:23:35 [wmf]
no, they obfuscate their logs so they *can't* read them
03:24:13 [wmf]
so when AOL complained about being blocked, /. said "hey man, we have no control over our blocking system"
03:24:21 [AaronSw]
ah
03:24:36 [AaronSw]
"it's an AI man, it's like the terminator."
03:24:44 [AaronSw]
err AI, man.
03:24:52 [AaronSw]
</hippie>
03:27:53 [wmf]
oh yeah, I was going to backup tonight
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03:30:07 [AaronSw]
ah, here's kragen's backup script http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-hacks/1999-April/000172.html
03:30:35 [AaronSw]
er, here: http://lists.canonical.org/pipermail/kragen-hacks/2002-February/000320.html
03:32:45 [wmf]
damn, I have blank CDs around here *somewhere*...
03:35:24 [AaronSw]
btw, for debian users: apt-listchanges is really cool
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03:37:27 [wmf]
"There are some people in the Bush administration who have the same mentality as Arafat or Sharon. I can name names, like Ashcroft, Cheney and Rumsfeld, although that is considered impolite."
03:41:15 [AaronSw]
.dns www.111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.com
03:41:15 [xena]
www.111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.com - 66.186.5.205
03:41:19 [AaronSw]
odd.
03:46:01 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.platypus.ro/content/entry.php?2002/April/09d
03:51:10 [AaronSw]
i better get to bed. nite all
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03:54:28 [AaronSw]
i'm your outer child
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05:22:43 [AaronSw]
Ward on blocking robots: "Yes, It has been this way from the beginning. I was concerned that unrefered visitors would not show the site sufficient respect. Perhaps it is time to reconsider."
05:24:18 [AaronSw]
now i'm really off (while i look for numbers to cheat with in coin flips)
05:24:48 [AaronSw]
(or rather, my computer does)
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12:51:50 [sbp]
it occurred to me: for extra security, just hash something like KDSRJODGSOjgROSGJoGsoGJOogsOgojrgsGOjs7
12:52:03 [sbp]
i.e. an alphanumeric string with a digit on the end
13:05:55 [sbp]
wow, swintro has pulled in 10000 visitors
13:19:06 [AaronSw]
well, i got up to 280000
13:19:13 [AaronSw]
no luck
13:19:23 [AaronSw]
security: yeah, i came up with that last night
13:19:38 [AaronSw]
have one party challenge the other to put a string of their choice at the beginning of the number
13:19:56 [AaronSw]
i.e.
13:19:57 [AaronSw]
A: 'monkey'
13:19:57 [AaronSw]
B: hash('monkey'+n)
13:21:02 [AaronSw]
heh! email: "I just thought I'd point out that since Google has indexed your Google Weblog, your example of a search with no hits and a misspelling is now returning a hit."
13:21:12 [AaronSw]
i am the world leader in morbus embarasment oils
13:22:42 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waits while his computer frees up however many gig his hash search thing used up
13:27:03 [AaronSw]
oh, vanilla coke was an april fools joke?
13:28:44 [AaronSw]
heh: "Celine Dion's new album won't work in many of the world's CD players. That means there's much less chance of me having to hear it. Hooray! Even better, it appears that attempting to play the CD in some CDROM drives will cause PCs to crash. I'm quite sure it's not a coincidence that this is the CD they've decided to try this technique on first. Record executives are obviously not subtle people."
13:31:41 [deltab]
that feature doesn't work for me
13:31:48 [deltab]
because of the broken HTML
13:32:06 [AaronSw]
which part of it?
13:32:40 [deltab]
meat in the body
13:32:46 [deltab]
meta
13:33:08 [AaronSw]
ah.
13:33:43 [AaronSw]
it was pretty badly written altogether, i think. for the first three seconds on my browser i'm like "why is this page have the google logo but no content?"
13:33:51 [AaronSw]
and then i'm like "why is it moving?!"
13:34:00 [deltab]
also, 0-second delays are bad
13:37:04 [AaronSw]
i'm thinking they should have used a 300 redirect
13:40:07 [AaronSw]
wow, broken link city: http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/Mosaic/Docs/old-whats-new/whats-new-1093.html
13:40:13 [AaronSw]
now did he write that in emacs or what
13:46:32 [AaronSw]
heh! http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9707/df970710.jpg
13:47:03 [sbp]
you only got up to 280000? it only takes a few seconds to do a million
13:47:15 [AaronSw]
maybe on your machine, buster...
13:47:31 [AaronSw]
what code did you use?
13:48:00 [AaronSw]
er, that was 2800000
13:48:17 [AaronSw]
hm, that still sounds like too little
13:51:00 [sbp]
interesting: http://google.blogspace.com/archives/000214
13:51:10 [sbp]
I just used the simple thing that I showed y'all earlier
13:51:34 [AaronSw]
you didn't show me nuttin
13:52:02 [AaronSw]
hm
13:52:04 [sbp]
to do bigger dictionaries, you might want to split it up (since they're like capacitors)
13:52:25 [AaronSw]
but if i split it up, i'd have to check all of them and it'd still be slow
13:52:48 [AaronSw]
heh: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200002/df20000210.jpg
13:52:53 [sbp]
nah, because you'd do like a million in each, so for 100 million, you'd only have to search 100. it wouldn't take all that long
13:53:28 [AaronSw]
i expect it'd be just as slow as one big one, because if it was faster python would do it internally
13:53:45 [sbp]
good point
13:54:51 [sbp]
actually, I recall hashing 5,000,000, but I didn't put them in a dictionary
13:59:32 [AaronSw]
Dr. Fun: "(For those you who are confused, the ACM is people who work with computing machinery, not a bunch of computing machinery that formed an association.)"
14:05:01 [sbp]
ugh, how disgusting: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/notice.cgi?NoticeID=232#FAQID593
14:06:59 [sbp]
soon they'll ban us from *refering* to copyrighted material in speech
14:07:12 [AaronSw]
Heh, it'd be funny if the W3C formed a political wing to fight these suits
14:07:31 [sbp]
life imprisonment for anyone that even mentions the word "DeCSS"!
14:07:38 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
14:07:38 [AaronSw]
timbl: no, no, your hnonro its all part of a gl9obal igm0ration space!
14:08:13 [AaronSw]
danc (whispering to timbl): you don't have to make typoes while you're speaking
14:08:26 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: How many times do I have to quote "'"'"DeCSS"'"'" before it's legal?
14:08:45 [AaronSw]
heh!
14:09:08 [AaronSw]
can you link to a page that links to decss?
14:09:23 [sbp]
heh, heh... Hmm...
14:09:41 [sbp]
to quote: "A few courts have now held that a hyperlink violates the law if it points to illegal material with the purpose of disseminating that illegal material"
14:10:05 [sbp]
so if you point to that page because that page points to DeCSS, then I guess so
14:10:36 [AaronSw]
i guess the new york times lost that suit
14:10:46 [sbp]
how silly. These judges ought to think about their actions before they set unconstitutional precedents
14:10:48 [AaronSw]
they were complaining that they couldn't say "people sell drugs on 5th and 29th"
14:11:04 [sbp]
ugh
14:11:51 [AaronSw]
maybe they could all argue the hyperlinks were for the purpose of telling people where not to go
14:14:49 [sbp]
heh, that'd be an interesting arguments
14:14:54 [sbp]
s/ts/t/
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14:15:33 [AaronSw]
hm. neon yellow shirt or puke green?
14:16:06 [AaronSw]
hey redmonk
14:17:50 [redmonk]
ello aaron
14:18:00 [redmonk]
morning everyone
14:20:59 [AaronSw]
well go skedattle off to class
14:21:23 [AaronSw]
hopefully i won't make too much of a fool of myself
14:21:32 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw practices chalk-writing motions
14:22:31 [AaronSw]
laters
14:22:56 [redmonk]
good luck
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16:18:06 [AaronSw]
hello
16:18:34 [Ash_]
HI ASW
16:18:58 [Ash_]
heh
16:19:05 [Ash_]
What, you haven't seen someone join using MS Comic Chat?
16:19:07 [Ash_]
heh
16:19:12 [AaronSw]
oh, right
16:19:16 [Ash_]
;-)
16:19:29 [AaronSw]
;9404 hey d00dkdk
16:20:13 [AaronSw]
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/get7.html
16:20:20 [sbp]
been there, done that
16:20:35 [sbp]
rather: been there, done that, read the email
16:21:16 [AaronSw]
ooh! http://answers.google.com
16:21:36 [Ash_]
uh
16:21:40 [Ash_]
that takes me to a normal google page
16:21:42 [Ash_]
I must suck
16:21:44 [Ash_]
:-(
16:21:44 [sbp]
me too
16:21:47 [AaronSw]
exactly!
16:21:59 [sbp]
huh?
16:22:30 [AaronSw]
it means they must be planning something there
16:22:40 [Ash_]
yeah right
16:22:46 [Ash_]
it's just to throw you off, aaronsw
16:22:47 [sbp]
uh.... huh
16:22:52 [Ash_]
check out http://warez.google.com/
16:22:55 [AaronSw]
compare with stalker.google.com which is a 404
16:23:11 [AaronSw]
see, those don't redirect!
16:23:53 [deltab]
no it isn't
16:23:55 [deltab]
deltab@mewtwo ~/lab/cyc $ HEAD stalker.google.com
16:23:55 [deltab]
500 Can't connect to stalker.google.com:80 (Bad hostname 'stalker.google.com')
16:24:15 [AaronSw]
that's a kind of 404 in my system.
16:24:19 [sbp]
heh
16:24:22 [AaronSw]
500 sounds like the wrong response
16:24:25 [AaronSw]
it's not internal
16:24:35 [AaronSw]
my system being archiverProxy
16:24:59 [sbp]
Gotta run
16:25:08 [deltab]
no HTTP error code applies, because no HTTP connection was made
16:26:34 [Seth]
hmmm ... "The important distinction here is that the user did not request the side-effects, so therefore cannot be held accountable for them.
16:27:44 [Seth]
so if i HTTT GET a porno picture of a minor, I cannot be held accountable for it ? ... I dont thin so.
16:28:14 [AaronSw]
"accountable for [side effects]"
16:28:55 [Seth]
what's a side effect?
16:29:53 [Seth]
one cannot move the slightest electron witout causing 'side effects' in this world or in any cyber world .
16:30:00 [AaronSw]
something that the server does based on your request other than send you the response
16:32:18 [Seth]
well in this case the server might log the request, and transmit it to the feds .. anyone doing such a GET must be responsible for those side effects .. this concept breaks down
16:34:15 [Seth]
and incidentally im not arguing with the principal, i think its great, but it is based on idealism, not fact.
16:39:42 [Seth]
in other words, logging http GETs, breaks this principle.
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xooter is now known as xoot
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17:05:14 [Ash_]
IT'S X00T
17:05:29 [Ash_]
d00d j00 g0T n3 mo3R sit3z t0d@y?
17:06:39 [Morbus]
* Morbus chuckles.
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17:14:59 [redmonk]
hi all
17:16:57 [AaronSw]
yo monk
17:19:20 [redmonk]
how'd the class go asw?
17:19:43 [AaronSw]
it was ok
17:19:53 [AaronSw]
i don't know how much they followed it, tho...
17:20:03 [redmonk]
hehe
17:20:25 [redmonk]
i realized a bit ago that whever i see you nick, in my head i say "aaron software"
17:20:26 [AaronSw]
i said they'd get extra credit if they sent me an encrypted email
17:20:32 [AaronSw]
:-)
17:20:51 [redmonk]
mnemonics are a powerful thing
17:20:55 [redmonk]
heh
17:20:59 [xoot]
* xoot is back
17:21:05 [redmonk]
xoot!
17:21:20 [redmonk]
xoot is one character from woot!
17:21:21 [xoot]
* xoot has a new site: http://homepage.mac.com/secret300
17:21:33 [AaronSw]
no selling from the stage
17:21:39 [xoot]
* xoot also has a new channel to supplement the site #spi-group
17:21:44 [xoot]
* xoot says ok
17:22:24 [redmonk]
* redmonk throws a tomato
17:22:32 [redmonk]
*splutch*
17:22:34 [redmonk]
;-)
17:22:39 [xoot]
* xoot falls down
17:22:47 [redmonk]
* redmonk points and laughs
17:23:10 [xoot]
* xoot asks redmonk "Do you know what iThink is?"
17:23:29 [redmonk]
iThink therefore iAm?
17:23:58 [redmonk]
* redmonk iPonders
17:24:46 [redmonk]
* redmonk guesses the answer is no, he does not know what iThink is
17:25:33 [xoot]
* xoot shows redmonk ithinksw.com
17:25:43 [AaronSw]
ooh, an authentic jillium quote: http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/finger?dpassage
17:25:50 [xoot]
* xoot explains that he is part of this group
17:27:40 [AaronSw]
jill was "THE original Lab Weenie"?
17:36:40 [jillium]
* jillium appears.
17:37:43 [AaronSw]
so you used to work at qualcomm?
17:38:12 [AaronSw]
heh! http://hogan.openprojects.net/~rik/Teaser.mpeg
17:38:20 [sbp]
jill is so rublish
17:39:25 [AaronSw]
Gotta run. taking mom to the doctor
17:39:36 [sbp]
c'ya
17:39:53 [sbp]
(nothing serious, I hope)
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* jillium observes AaronSw's stalking efforts.
17:48:32 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: Donate to the new monitor for sbp fund
17:49:06 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: Donate to the "New Monitor for Sbp" fund
17:49:16 [sbp]
* sbp decides to get Aaron to auto-ban anyone that abuses "#"
17:50:13 [xoot]
why?
17:50:35 [sbp]
things prefixed with "#" are said in confidence. Spewing them into the logs is an abuse of that confidence
17:51:06 [sbp]
I mean, otherwise, why have "#" at all?
17:51:20 [redmonk]
hey SW/XML weenies, i need some help
17:53:06 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: Donate to the New Monitor for Sean Palmer fund
17:53:38 [redmonk]
how would you say, in XML, that this element "foo" is a foo of type "bar", and foos of type "bar" should be associated with namespace baz:
17:54:04 [xoot]
.acronym foo
17:54:05 [xena]
foo: Family of Origin, File Open for Output (NFILE error code), Follow-On Outfitting, Foo Of Oberlin (comedy group), Forward Observation Officer
17:54:14 [xoot]
.acronym bar
17:54:15 [xena]
bar: Browning Automatic Rifle, Bachelor of Architecture, Bangor and Aroostook Railroad, Baritone Saxophone, Barometer, Barrel, Barrett Junction, California (earthquake reporting station), Baruch (book of the Protestant Apocrypha), Base Address Register, Basic Associate Renewal, Battery Acquisition Radar, Biblical Archaeology Review, Bid Analysis Report, Billing and Accounts Receivable, Bit Aspect
17:54:16 [xena]
Ratio, Blade Area Ratio, Board of Appeals & Review, Brigade of the American Revolution, British Accreditation Regency, British American Racing (formula 1 racing team)
17:54:23 [xoot]
heh
17:54:32 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: Enquire about our topic competition
17:54:35 [redmonk]
smartass ;-)
17:54:58 [sbp]
you can't really type an element in XML, if you're thinking of the rdf:type property
17:55:00 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: Topic changed to "Enquire about our topic competition" by sbp
17:55:10 [sbp]
* sbp sobs
17:55:19 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: foo: Family of Origin, File Open for Output (NFILE error code), Follow-On Outfitting, Foo Of Oberlin (comedy group), Forward Observation Officer
17:55:23 [redmonk]
hm.
17:55:30 [sbp]
* sbp cries for Aaron to reappear
17:55:30 [xoot]
i better keep that
17:55:36 [xoot]
ok, ok
17:55:49 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: Enquire about our topic competition
17:56:15 [redmonk]
well (puts on flameretardent suit) I'm trying to work out changes mecessary to make OPML a viable format
17:56:24 [sbp]
* sbp wonders why he hasn't got a 10+ access level anymore... oh, it was that silly auto-opping period
17:56:29 [redmonk]
('mecessary'? ugh)
17:56:33 [sbp]
heh, heh
17:57:10 [xoot]
* xoot sets +b *!*@*.microsoft.com in his channel
17:57:14 [sbp]
Hmm... well, I don't know enough about OPML to comment (I've stayed clear of that area), but I could read up on it a bit, I guess
17:57:52 [redmonk]
OPML uses a type attribute to tell applications what 'driver' (basically) to use to assocaite actions with an outline node
17:58:01 [Morbus]
* Morbus nods.
17:58:15 [redmonk]
the drivers expect certain attributes to be present on the node
17:58:30 [redmonk]
so a node that is a "file"
17:58:44 [redmonk]
needs to have a "path" attribute in order for the driver to display it properly
17:59:02 [redmonk]
well, OPML jjust throws those atts into the outline element willy-nilly
17:59:18 [sbp]
sounds nutty. In any case, I have about 30 seconds till I have to go and watch The Simpsons, so I bid thee a temporary farewell, and I'll check it out when I get back :-)
17:59:24 [sbp]
c'ya
17:59:40 [redmonk]
so there's no way to validate the opml file b/c it may have arbitrary elements in it
17:59:44 [redmonk]
i *think*
17:59:56 [redmonk]
(i'm actually not up on dtds+validation)
18:00:02 [redmonk]
am i on the right track morbus?
18:00:19 [Morbus]
i thought one of the benefits of opml was to have a limitless amount of attributes.
18:00:23 [Morbus]
in each outline element.
18:00:34 [Morbus]
i haven't looked into it since i adopted it for ampheta long ago
18:01:15 [redmonk]
well, i think it's beneficial, but i would expect that the "right way" to do it would be for the attributes for a specific driver should be in namespaces
18:01:41 [redmonk]
but now that i think about it i'm guessing that's not necessarily the case
18:01:44 [redmonk]
hm.
18:01:57 [Morbus]
heh.
18:02:10 [Morbus]
see, the problem with doing things "the right way" is for things to become complicated.
18:02:29 [Morbus]
winer wanted opml to be simple, so thus, no namespaces. it his major gripe with rss 1.0 too.
18:02:31 [Morbus]
i agree with him.
18:02:40 [Morbus]
well, not on the rss 1.0 thing, but on the namespaces/opml thing
18:02:50 [redmonk]
hm.
18:03:20 [redmonk]
well, from what i've seen of how parsers handle namespaces, it doen't *hurt* to include the info
18:04:01 [redmonk]
from standard.disclaimer import IMO
18:04:47 [redmonk]
anyway, it's also important from the whole SW space
18:05:50 [redmonk]
the SW makes a lot of use of namespaces
18:05:50 [redmonk]
thanks for the comments
18:05:50 [redmonk]
the other thing about OPML is that i think the text needs to be in an element of it's own
18:05:54 [redmonk]
not in the attribute
18:06:02 [Morbus]
talked to winer about any of this?
18:06:19 [redmonk]
it's a bit harder to parse, but easier to include xhtml and such
18:06:25 [redmonk]
not in years
18:06:25 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
18:06:29 [Morbus]
"a bit harder to parse".
18:06:31 [Morbus]
uh huh.
18:07:11 [xoot]
:D
18:07:17 [redmonk]
anyway, gotta go back to real work. can chat more about it later
18:07:25 [Morbus]
people make things far too complicate.d
18:07:25 [redmonk]
cya
18:07:28 [Morbus]
ciao.
18:07:31 [redmonk]
heh
18:07:32 [redmonk]
true
18:10:33 [logster]
* logster is logging
18:12:27 [xoot]
hmmm
18:12:40 [xoot]
@ http://homepage.mac.com/secret300
18:12:52 [xoot]
* xoot is playing with the chumpster
18:13:17 [chumpster]
A: http://homepage.mac.com/secret300 from xoot
18:14:01 [xoot]
A::The SPI Group
18:14:02 [Morbus]
ten more days until my birthday
18:14:07 [xoot]
cool
18:14:11 [Morbus]
dude, don't fucking spam the weblog, you hoe.
18:14:19 [xoot]
ok
18:14:20 [chumpster]
commented item A
18:14:33 [xoot]
just finding out how to use chumpster
18:25:35 [xoot]
i also wanna put up my friend's page
18:25:44 [xoot]
@ http://jeff.hume.ca/
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18:25:49 [davb]
hi.
18:25:53 [xoot]
yo
18:26:00 [davb]
What's up with the topic competition? :)
18:26:06 [xoot]
i dunno
18:26:11 [xoot]
sbp made it up
18:26:14 [davb]
ah.
18:26:14 [xoot]
but he left
18:26:18 [chumpster]
B: http://jeff.hume.ca/ from xoot
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18:28:27 [xoot]
and...
18:28:31 [xoot]
of course...
18:28:38 [xoot]
@ http://osx.blogspot.com/
18:29:10 [chumpster]
C: http://osx.blogspot.com/ from xoot
18:30:23 [Ash_]
Ash_ has changed the topic to: topics suck
18:37:25 [redmonk]
redmonk has changed the topic to: xoot is spamming the weblog!
18:41:16 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: :P
18:41:34 [Morbus]
xoot, you're a fucking moron.
18:41:48 [Morbus]
i mean, who the hell are you?
18:41:51 [Morbus]
why should we care about you?
18:41:57 [Morbus]
why the hell do you come in here spamming the weblog?
18:42:22 [redmonk]
redmonk has changed the topic to: SOS... SOS... SOS...
18:42:26 [Morbus]
you're not painting a pretty picture of yourself.
18:42:53 [Morbus]
in fact, you're painting one of an immature "look ma! i got an irc client!" and "look guys! i know HTML, wheee! i'm 'reet!".
18:45:20 [xoot]
* xoot is spamming some more weblogs....
18:50:43 [Ash_]
xoot: Please stop spamming weblogs.
18:50:45 [Ash_]
K PLZ THX
18:50:47 [Ash_]
UR WEBSITES SUCK
18:50:51 [Ash_]
If you didn't know already.
18:50:59 [Ash_]
Which I guess, since you're spamming us with them, you didn't.
18:52:36 [Seth]
* Seth gets his first MemStor class working and feels like he accomplished something .. goes back to taxes
18:53:03 [Morbus]
you haven't done your taxes yet? OooooOoh.
18:53:11 [Morbus]
hey Seth. I don't know you. I'm Morbus.
18:53:51 [Seth]
hi Morbus ... im Seth Russell of http://robustai.net/
18:54:33 [Morbus]
ah. i'm from disobey.com myself.
18:54:48 [Morbus]
mmMm. sem-dev mailing list.
18:55:22 [xoot]
* xoot hangs his head in shame
18:55:46 [xoot]
you haven't known me for a long time
18:55:49 [Morbus]
pff. shame is too good for you. you should hang your head in idiocy.
18:56:02 [Seth]
hmmm ... the dark side, huh ... i dont hang out there much
18:56:06 [xoot]
but, I'm just being xoot, as my other friends will say
18:56:12 [xoot]
:)
18:57:18 [Ash_]
lol @ xoot having friends
18:57:38 [xoot]
oh, c'mon
18:58:27 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: Don't ban xoot!
18:59:26 [Morbus]
oh, wait.
18:59:27 [Morbus]
i see...
18:59:45 [Morbus]
you used the almight topic to show how strong your plea is.
18:59:54 [Morbus]
i think I need to set up a macro.
19:00:05 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: SOS... SOS... SOS...
19:00:27 [Morbus]
one that utters rather nominally "xoot is a fucking moron".
19:00:31 [xoot]
or just +T
19:01:02 [xoot]
heh
19:02:00 [Ash_]
Ash_ has changed the topic to: <Morbus> xoot is a fucking moron
19:02:02 [Ash_]
that works
19:02:31 [Morbus]
heh, heh. that should be my Thundercat like BattleCry.
19:12:03 [Seth]
Seth says {Morbus says {xoot a [fucking moror]}}
19:12:13 [Morbus]
moror?
19:12:24 [Morbus]
a moronic horror?
19:13:38 [Seth]
{moror daml:equivalentTo moron}
19:13:59 [Morbus]
xoot! redeem yourself: tell me what he's talking about, eh?
19:14:02 [Morbus]
* Morbus chuckles.
19:14:48 [sbp]
* sbp waves
19:14:52 [Morbus]
sbp!
19:14:57 [sbp]
ugh, Aaron's not back yet
19:14:58 [xoot]
yo
19:15:15 [xoot]
* xoot forgets that he is a moron
19:15:22 [sbp]
* sbp reads the logs
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19:15:27 [xoot]
lol
19:15:32 [xoot]
hello
19:15:55 [xoot]
morbus, change the topic
19:16:05 [Morbus]
why? i think it's fitting.
19:16:06 [xoot]
you're givingme a bad reputation :)
19:16:17 [Morbus]
you've earned it so far in my eyes. of course, i can only speak for myself.
19:16:30 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: Enquire about our topic competition!
19:17:36 [sbp]
heh, the logs are quite comical in fact
19:18:06 [Ash_]
Ash_ has changed the topic to: THE LOGS ARE QUITE COMICAL, IN FACT!
19:18:15 [sbp]
I agree with any KISS pinciples for OPML, but things really do need namespaces if you're going to mix them, bugger about with them using XSLT, and whatnot
19:18:24 [sbp]
lol @ <Morbus> dude, don't fucking spam the weblog, you hoe.
19:18:24 [Morbus]
Morbus has changed the topic to: lc(THE LOGS ARE QUITE COMICAL, IN FACT!)
19:18:33 [Morbus]
:)
19:18:45 [Ash_]
Morbus: heh
19:19:20 [sbp]
gah
19:19:24 [deltab]
haha, "hoe"
19:19:26 [sbp]
* sbp kicks his connection
19:19:27 [sbp]
argh
19:21:14 [xoot]
no, it's the server lag here
19:27:03 [sbp]
ugh, sorry: my connection decided to enborkulate itself
19:27:22 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: "THE LOGS ARE QUITE COMICAL, IN FACT!".lower()
19:27:23 [xoot]
lol
19:28:33 [sbp]
Hmm... people in drought ridden countries used to (and perhaps still) do rain dances. Can we club together and do an Aaron dance? How would that go?
19:29:06 [xoot]
* xoot runs away from sbp
19:29:17 [Morbus]
Morbus has changed the topic to: s/(THE LOGS ARE QUITE COMICAL, IN FACT!)/\L$1/;
19:29:28 [sbp]
heh, heh
19:30:38 [sbp]
Hmm... Seth: interesting use of "fucking" as a property. I guess it kinda magnifies the object
19:30:57 [sbp]
:Idiot vs. [ :fucking :Idiot ] . pretty neat
19:32:09 [sbp]
(er... when I refer to "Aaron", I refer to AaronSw, of course, not Ash)
19:32:20 [Ash_]
indeed
19:32:31 [sbp]
we should call Ash "Aaron", and Aaron "Aaron 2", like on South Park
19:32:35 [Ash_]
how about the Ops dance
19:32:49 [Ash_]
Well, I'm older. So it was my name first.
19:32:51 [Ash_]
Bwahahaha.
19:32:58 [Ash_]
lol @ aaron 2
19:32:59 [sbp]
heh, heh
19:33:01 [Ash_]
I loved that episode.
19:33:05 [sbp]
Ops dance: how does that go
19:33:06 [Ash_]
the IT
19:33:08 [sbp]
heh, it was rather neat
19:33:17 [sbp]
oh, yeah! Mr. Garrison's new controls
19:33:18 [Ash_]
"Aren't these controls also on the side?"
19:33:30 [Ash_]
"Well.. yeah. But why would you want it without the normal controls?"
19:33:31 [Ash_]
hehe
19:33:48 [sbp]
* sbp ^5's Ash
19:35:23 [Seth]
sean, didnt know what else to do with the fucking
19:35:45 [sbp]
heh, heh
19:36:09 [sbp]
it's quite a good idea to construct new classes by magnifying existing ones :-)
19:36:23 [Seth]
i mean there is a class of things of which one can say they are fucking .. and xoot is a member of that class
19:38:34 [sbp]
ah, well that might be different: fucking as a verb
19:38:48 [Seth]
{?x a [fucking ?y]} => {?x fucking ?y}
19:39:33 [sbp]
actually, I guess there are two verb senses... argh
19:40:11 [Seth]
well sean, your probably right ... but cant mentograph fucking today .. got to finish taxes
19:40:31 [sbp]
heh, fair enough. it's that time of the year again
19:40:54 [Seth]
you have no idea of the pain :9
19:41:01 [Morbus]
AaronSw, what do you use OmniGraffle for?
19:41:12 [sbp]
Hmm... I guess I was thinking of it as an adj, not a verb at all
19:41:39 [Seth]
sean, where do you put the adverbs in triples ?
19:41:56 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: "The phrase 'time is money' is an insult to time." - Unknown Citibank Advertising Agency
19:42:44 [sbp]
Hmm... I'd use it as a property, personally
19:43:00 [sbp]
:Sean :wonderfully :Weird .
19:43:49 [sbp]
@ http://www.anywherebeyond.com/2001/0101/010501.html
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* sbp nudges chumpster
19:44:21 [chumpster]
D: http://www.anywherebeyond.com/2001/0101/010501.html from sbp
19:44:40 [sbp]
D:|Professional Cussing Course
19:44:57 [chumpster]
titled item D
19:45:13 [sbp]
D::Starts off by explaining that "fuck" can be used as a noun, verb, adjective, or exclaimation (interjection)
19:45:31 [chumpster]
commented item D
19:45:40 [sbp]
D::Goes on to wonderful stuff like: 'Eloquence is bound by poetry and creativity, so my "son of a fuck me bitch!" may be your "She sighed, bay blue eyes weighted with a monastery of regret."'
19:45:57 [chumpster]
commented item D
19:46:26 [sbp]
D::Much better than the stuff below. *ahem*
19:46:46 [chumpster]
commented item D
19:49:17 [redmonk]
morbus: i don't know about aaronsw, but i use graffle for state digrams and such for complicated code
19:49:32 [redmonk]
it becomes a visual checklist of states to handle
19:49:45 [sbp]
didn't he use it for his business card? Hmm... perhaps not. I'm sure he used it for something like that, at least
19:50:07 [redmonk]
i've also mapped rdf with it
19:50:46 [Morbus]
redmonk: i'd be interested to see some samples some time in the future.
19:50:53 [Morbus]
i've never used it, don' tknow if i *need* to use it.
19:50:58 [redmonk]
email?
19:51:29 [Morbus]
i'll let you know when i want them. not ready for em.
19:51:38 [Morbus]
probably won't actually play with it until later this week.
19:52:06 [redmonk]
k
19:52:38 [Seth]
i's use IHMC for state diagrams
19:52:54 [redmonk]
morbus: here's some rdf i di with it:
19:52:55 [redmonk]
http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/aznyInvite.png
19:53:16 [Morbus]
ah
19:53:31 [sbp]
ugh, what the scregwaddle is up with IE and PNG?
19:53:55 [Morbus]
heh, heh. yeah, i know.
19:54:05 [redmonk]
mmmmm, mozilla
19:54:23 [redmonk]
{:mozilla :heart :png}
19:54:34 [sbp]
s/foaf:person/foaf:Person/
19:54:42 [redmonk]
yeah whatever
19:54:45 [sbp]
:-)
19:54:53 [redmonk]
i'dd prolly use rdf author if i did it again
19:55:02 [redmonk]
since it imports schema
19:55:05 [sbp]
"yeah whatever" is *so* synonymous with "fuck you, bitch" there days...
19:55:09 [redmonk]
but it was faster in OG
19:55:11 [sbp]
s/there/these/
19:55:13 [redmonk]
lol
19:55:27 [sbp]
I like Jim Ley's online editor
19:55:39 [redmonk]
is it graffical?
19:55:43 [redmonk]
<grin>
19:55:46 [sbp]
and I had fun using DanC's stylesheet rules stuff
19:55:54 [sbp]
it's... um...
19:56:08 [sbp]
it exports SVG, so that's all that matters
19:56:16 [redmonk]
lol
19:56:26 [redmonk]
very cool
20:01:59 [Seth]
are there any packages that do animation with SVG'S ?
20:06:45 [redmonk]
livemotion maybe
20:06:47 [redmonk]
adobe
20:06:51 [redmonk]
not sure
20:08:19 [Seth]
does livemotion use svg ??
20:08:50 [redmonk]
no idea
20:09:17 [redmonk]
but if anyone did it would be them
20:09:48 [Morbus]
i know someone who knows a lot about svg.
20:09:51 [Morbus]
but he's gone for the day.
20:09:52 [Morbus]
perceive.net
20:10:34 [xoot]
hmmm
20:10:43 [xoot]
+b *@*
20:10:49 [xoot]
lol
20:10:55 [Morbus]
sigh.
20:15:19 [xoot]
m´¿¨
20:15:36 [redmonk]
xoot, what are you doing?
20:15:45 [xoot]
áhá
20:15:46 [redmonk]
did you spill something on your kb?
20:16:20 [xoot]
ÑÖ
20:16:45 [xoot]
whÿ
20:17:08 [xoot]
¿
20:17:16 [redmonk]
you're splooging international character noise
20:17:34 [redmonk]
please stop.
20:17:54 [xoot]
ök
20:18:15 [redmonk]
thank you
20:18:34 [xoot]
lol
20:18:41 [xoot]
splooging?
20:18:55 [Morbus]
* Morbus weeps.
20:19:06 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: "You're splooging international character noise" - redmonk
20:19:30 [Morbus]
so, uh, xoot, how'd you hear of swhack?
20:20:08 [xoot]
blogspace
20:20:35 [Morbus]
and how'd you hear of blogspace?
20:20:55 [xoot]
google
20:21:36 [Morbus]
and what were you typing into google?
20:21:44 [Morbus]
something about "how best do I make a fool of myself?"
20:21:58 [xoot]
yeah
20:22:00 [xoot]
:D
20:22:09 [Morbus]
'tis readily apparently, deer xoot.
20:22:22 [Morbus]
can you try to be a bit more immature? you're not making any friends here.
20:22:30 [Morbus]
er, mature, rather.
20:22:33 [xoot]
:D
20:23:42 [xoot]
D::No, those sites are *great*
20:24:00 [chumpster]
commented item D
20:24:05 [xoot]
ok
20:24:53 [sbp]
* sbp mumbles inaudiable profanities
20:25:11 [xoot]
* xoot sighs
20:32:19 [jillzilla]
Argh, mozilla run wild!
20:32:21 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla kills frenetically.
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20:35:41 [AaronSw]
ooh, matt haugey reads my weblog
20:35:51 [redmonk]
aaronsw!
20:35:53 [redmonk]
wb
20:35:57 [AaronSw]
hi there
20:36:06 [Morbus]
AaronSw!
20:36:12 [Morbus]
i've never been so happy to see you.
20:36:22 [AaronSw]
sounds like bad things have happeneed
20:36:34 [sbp]
* sbp nearly weeps with joy
20:36:35 [Morbus]
heh, heh.
20:36:37 [Morbus]
lol.
20:36:51 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw closes eyes
20:36:56 [AaronSw]
go on, do what you need to do
20:36:57 [xoot]
have I annoyed you so much?
20:37:11 [xoot]
oh, c'mon
20:37:25 [Morbus]
bwahahaha.
20:37:44 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
20:37:45 [xoot]
xoot has changed the topic to: save xoot from the inevitable banning!
20:37:49 [sbp]
the position of power
20:37:57 [redmonk]
redmonk has changed the topic to: save the topic from xoot!
20:37:59 [jillzilla]
jillzilla has changed the topic to: SAVE XOOT!
20:38:05 [sbp]
* sbp is savouring this, but is a little sad since he hasn't actually had to ban anyone before
20:38:05 [xoot]
thanx, jill
20:38:08 [redmonk]
jill, you have no idea
20:38:13 [jillzilla]
jillzilla has changed the topic to: SHAVE XOOT!
20:38:18 [xoot]
i will be in #spi-group
20:38:19 [redmonk]
lol
20:38:37 [AaronSw]
that's a bit much, don't you think?
20:38:53 [jillzilla]
jillzilla has changed the topic to: sweeping displays of power
20:38:59 [sbp]
sbp has kicked xoot from #swhack
20:39:10 [sbp]
*sigh*
20:39:16 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla looks around at the rubble.
20:39:19 [redmonk]
i'm torn.
20:39:24 [redmonk]
sad, isn't it?
20:39:28 [sbp]
very
20:39:37 [redmonk]
what a moron, but no one should have to see that coming
20:39:49 [AaronSw]
I can't decide whether to read the backlogs or ...
20:40:08 [sbp]
indeed. the strange thing is that he just kept coming back. I think it's just so that he could get log/blog space
20:40:14 [sbp]
pun not really intended :-)
20:40:50 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reads the logs
20:40:55 [sbp]
but he was certainly disruptive, and the consensus was that he should go. So he goes
20:41:27 [redmonk]
* redmonk listens to Moby: "Now I let it go" - oddly appropriate, and sad
20:41:57 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: And now back to our normal programming...
20:43:19 [redmonk]
sbp: you wanna take off the op mantle? it's kinda disturbing.
20:43:19 [Morbus]
hallelujah.
20:43:24 [Morbus]
i'm so sad I was on the phone.
20:43:31 [redmonk]
don't be.
20:43:32 [Morbus]
it would have been fun to heckle him before he went.
20:43:37 [redmonk]
not needed
20:43:42 [sbp]
rm: oops, sorry...
20:43:46 [jillzilla]
redmonk: Moby. Must have moby.
20:43:51 [redmonk]
do you heckle a man tied to a railroad track?
20:44:01 [Morbus]
no, i'd kick him first.
20:44:08 [redmonk]
*sigh*
20:44:14 [Morbus]
redmonk, i need ONE song to complete a moby cd.
20:44:19 [Morbus]
do you have "have you seen my baby?"
20:44:51 [redmonk]
does it have another name?
20:45:11 [Morbus]
hold
20:45:20 [Morbus]
its track 9 of http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1325120971/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/artistid=MOBY/itemid=313493
20:45:32 [jillzilla]
Morbus: It's from Play, right?
20:45:47 [Morbus]
it could be, but the cdnow album is a self-titled from 92
20:45:48 [jillzilla]
No, it's from this one.
20:45:53 [jillzilla]
I have it right here.
20:45:57 [Morbus]
oooh.
20:46:00 [jillzilla]
But I haven't ripped it. Hmm..
20:46:01 [Morbus]
i've been searching for that song for months.
20:46:04 [Morbus]
could never find it on ag.
20:46:13 [Morbus]
is it from his self-titled jillzilla?
20:46:16 [jillzilla]
Yes.
20:46:21 [Morbus]
good, good.
20:46:29 [jillzilla]
First track on the album is "Drop a Beat".
20:46:31 [jillzilla]
good track, too.
20:46:34 [Morbus]
mmhmm
20:46:37 [jillzilla]
Gotta get lunch. Back soon.
20:47:15 [AaronSw]
Ash's name is ASH or A.S.H. or dogcow, but never aaron
20:47:21 [Morbus]
hey!
20:47:23 [Morbus]
no, don't leave!
20:47:24 [Morbus]
<G.
20:47:44 [Morbus]
you gotta rip that track.
20:53:13 [redmonk]
morbus: i've got dave w. debating me on the value of OPML now on my site. ;-)
20:53:23 [redmonk]
"I'm a weiner boy and I'm ok!!!!"
20:53:36 [Morbus]
Oooh.
20:53:37 [Morbus]
url?
20:53:40 [AaronSw]
heh! http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/9576#120658
20:53:47 [jillzilla]
AaronSw: Ash has also been amathews.
20:53:48 [AaronSw]
"By the way, the Google Team enjoyed reading the thread at over Metafilter.
20:53:48 [AaronSw]
Tell everyone that we say ³Hi² ;-)"
20:54:19 [redmonk]
shit - my site's down at the moment
20:54:35 [AaronSw]
i was just going to ask about that
20:54:48 [AaronSw]
jillzilla, but the a stood for Ash ;)
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20:55:51 [redmonk]
cya
20:56:01 [sbp]
c'ya rm :-)
20:56:03 [sbp]
Gotta run
20:59:28 [Morbus]
"hi, my name is pamela! do you like enjoy?"
20:59:33 [Morbus]
stupid icq porno spam.
20:59:36 [Morbus]
MAKE SENSE!
21:11:33 [sbp]
heh, heh
21:11:45 [jillzilla]
Well, *do* you like enjoy?
21:11:51 [jillzilla]
Answer the question!
21:12:21 [AaronSw]
enjoy sounds like one of those chocolate vitamin drinks
21:12:29 [AaronSw]
"Remember the good years, drink Enjoy"
21:12:31 [redmonk]
i hate arguing with Dave w.
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it's not worth it
21:12:53 [redmonk]
yet i hate to just drop it, too; lest he assume he won.
21:12:59 [redmonk]
ugh
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21:14:11 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla gives sbp a nice biscuit to go with his tea.
21:14:30 [sbp]
heh, thanks :-)
21:14:52 [sbp]
Gotta run
21:15:04 [AaronSw]
i swear he has a key-command for that
21:15:11 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla laughs.
21:17:20 [AaronSw]
odd. google has some indexed wiki pages.
21:25:22 [walloper]
<lilo> Hi all. Can we get Spanish/English translation in #openprojects? Please stop by if you can help. Thanks!
21:25:33 [jillzilla]
Hmmm, I can help.
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who removed my ban?
21:30:12 [AaronSw]
no one
21:30:24 [xoot]
'k
21:30:24 [AaronSw]
you just changed IPs
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aha
21:30:43 [xoot]
the bright side of 56K
21:31:04 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: And now back to our normal programming...
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: And now back to our normal programming...
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22:08:02 [AaronSw]
Heh: "Undercover video discovers that "free range" pigeons used to calculate search results actually must punch in to a time clock and work eight hours per day or lose vesting options for when Google goes public."
22:08:02 [AaronSw]
- http://searchenginewatch.com/searchday/02/sd0401-foolin.html
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22:46:46 [AaronSw]
microserfs has this interesting lego leitmotif
22:47:00 [AaronSw]
heres a good quote: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~zctlt28/micros.htm
22:47:18 [AaronSw]
"Have you ever noticed that Lego plays a far more important role in the lives of computer people than in the general population? To a one, computer technicians spent huge portions of their youth heavily steeped in Lego and its highly focused, solitude-promoting culture. Lego was their common denominator toy...Now, I think it is safe to say that Lego is a potent three-dimensional modeling tool and a language in itself. And prolonged exposure to any language,
22:47:19 [AaronSw]
way a child perceives its universe. Examine the toy briefly."
22:55:42 [jillzilla]
My parents didn't do the building toys, so I didn't have legos or lincoln logs or an erector set or any of that.
22:55:58 [jillzilla]
I did have blocks. And little cars. And I built statues and bridges and buildings.
22:56:18 [jillzilla]
There were some mightily horrific tragedies experienced by those little cars on those bridges.
22:58:20 [AaronSw]
Heh!
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: And now back to our normal programming...
23:02:43 [sbp]
Hmm... slight return :-)
23:02:56 [sbp]
aah, lego
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ah, sound: ftp://ftp.smoovenet.com/pub/lardlad/sounds/season12/hungry6.mp3
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Hmph, not found
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lol @ Wendy's "[off]" demonstration
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[[[
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20:38:51 <wendy> sweet. [off] seems to work.
23:05:54 [sbp]
20:38:57 <wendy> blargh
23:05:55 [sbp]
20:39:04 <wendy> sweet.
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]]] - http://www.w3.org/2002/02/mid/5.1.0.14.2.20020415163810.02509cb0@localhost
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no such message? Pff!
23:07:28 [sbp]
Hmm... the search engine doesn't pick it up either
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lol @ the pigeon thing
23:13:59 [AaronSw]
ooh, Ward replied again
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23:14:34 [AaronSw]
Woo! I shall remove the robots.txt and see what happens. Thanks for pointing this out to me. -- Ward
23:14:43 [AaronSw]
err, the "Woo!" was mine
23:15:34 [AaronSw]
chuckle @ "right, right, *blocko* shirt
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"
23:35:24 [AaronSw]
"In all the annals of the movies, few films have been this odd, inexplicable and unpleasant."
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* AaronSw gets out the fan...
23:43:04 [AaronSw]
it's one of those wow-it's-so-nice-out...geez-did-i-move-to-a-dessert? days
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* AaronSw tries to find a way to indicate links on his homepage that isn't annoying
23:57:28 [AaronSw]
bold is too strong, underlines are too cluttered; non-bold is too weak
23:57:41 [AaronSw]
weak meaning they're not very distinguishable
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