00:00:48 cavern nights, gnomic interruptions and whistling bells 00:03:04 sometimes I think that Shakespeare was a fool, but at other times, I wonder how he managed without T.V. and the Web 00:14:46 I wonder if people read letters by lamplight anymore? 00:15:35 * sbp wonders if "Nobody's Business But Mine" is related to "Nobody's Fault But Mine" 00:15:44 * sbp somewhat doubts that it is 00:16:14 (just concedentally similar titles) 00:21:49 "Increver na lista"? 00:29:48 Does G****d have a ten-foot pole? 00:32:11 BenSw (~x@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 00:32:34 common law is so cool 00:32:38 Hey Ben 00:32:39 hi 00:34:10 hi sean, u ever use Tkinter? 00:35:24 I wrote a text editor using TKInter once 00:36:24 im just trying to put a Entry box on a frame 00:36:44 cant figure out how to use the textvariable= 00:37:02 self.inBox = Entry(frame, textvariable=inthing, width=80).pack(side=LEFT) 00:37:25 sbp has changed the topic to: "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech." - Benjamin Franklin 00:37:31 dunno 00:37:35 have you tried Google? 00:37:59 yeah ill figure it out .. just though it might be tip of your toung 00:39:25 I'm afraid not. I didn't use it in the editor, it seems 00:43:36 try http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-tkprg/ 00:44:50 thanks i will 00:44:59 pungent lions. Heh, that reminds me of South Park tonight - another controversial episode 00:45:17 with the humorous lions 00:45:32 "pull my thorn" 00:45:34 you get south park on sky? 00:45:46 yep 00:47:10 * BenSw guesses thats its only on saturdays 00:47:35 yep, I think you're right 00:48:36 * sbp wonders about the origin of the phrase "green mountain men" 00:49:25 I was playing with simpsons studio last night, it was weird 00:49:44 heh, indeed 00:50:02 it takes a bit of getting used to... 00:50:07 its hard to get two people in each scene, mine went something like this 00:51:09 homer walks over to cliff falls(stays in air) desk appears, switch scene to beach homers on desk, don't remember the rest, basicly playing around with other characters 00:51:16 * sbp wonders who the guy shouting on "Toad" is 00:51:46 surreal 00:55:20 .time cst 00:55:20 Apr. 13, 2002 7:55 pm US/Central 00:55:46 ah finnaly a right time, all the clocks in my house are screwed up 00:55:51 "Momma's gonna cook some shortnin' bread" 00:55:55 heh 00:56:42 .time whereverIam 00:56:42 error: Site Error occurred: KeyError 00:57:02 ooh a bug in xena 00:57:23 well, it's gone one, and coming up to two too 00:57:32 heh 00:57:45 whereverIam is not a valid key, so xena was right to barf it up all over the channel 00:58:07 xena should find out what your hostname is and find out where you are ;) 00:58:26 right. and then it'd give me a CST time, which is wrong 00:58:28 * BenSw installs python on his new wibm 00:58:36 winibm 01:00:53 well i shouldn't say new ;), its from 1998 or so, though it has usb ports, maybe those people at apple lied ;) 01:01:29 it's funny: I found all of these things that people have forgotten, and stored them in notes. Now I've lost and forgotten them too, although they're still there waiting to be found. But I lost an important one recently, which ticked me off 01:02:13 About St. John the Evangelist. I just can't find it anywhere 01:02:51 * sbp wonders how much Aaron actually uses his HTTP archive 01:22:51 wmf (~wesley@valentine.felter.org) has joined #swhack 01:23:01 hey AaronSw 01:23:13 wmf! 01:23:22 hello all 01:25:21 it's Semantic Web or SWartz or something 01:25:22 no! doesn't any ever read the website... or wmf's website... it's a sound... swhack! 01:25:40 that's for my name, deltab 01:27:23 on second thought... 01:27:32 *** Guest49856 (df@203.106.195.58) has joined the channel 01:27:32 sw - > short wave? 01:27:32 semantic web 01:27:32 o 01:27:33 *** Guest49856 has quit IRC () 01:27:35 could convince me otherwise 01:28:20 ooh, this is good: swhack stands for "Semantic Web hack dishwasher", BTW. The "d" got chopped off 01:35:10 sbp, I use my archive only occasionally. i was actually considering deleting it. or sending it to Brewster... 01:40:46 BenSw has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:47:08 Gotta run: dinner 01:59:32 wmf, tell us your irda story 02:02:29 Hm, this is new: question spamming. 02:02:47 oh, it's not a question 02:03:02 he searched google for the thing he was selling, and then spidered all the emails off those pages, apparently. 02:03:09 "Note: I found your email address while reading your web page pertaining to XML and Acrobat-based forms. Its web's address is shown above." 02:03:51 ok, IrDA 02:04:13 so one day I went to a group meeting 02:04:44 and my thinkpad was emitting sound effects at random times 02:05:13 ok... 02:05:13 this was confusing me and annoying everyone else in the metting 02:05:54 it turned out that my machine was making and breaking IrDA connections with the person next to me 02:05:55 what kind of sound effects? like beeps? 02:06:06 aha 02:06:24 yeah, it has special beeps for when it sees another machine and when the connection breaks 02:06:50 then the other guy figured this out and he started trying to transfer files to me 02:07:02 so I kept rejecting them 02:07:23 meanwhile my boss was giving me dirty looks 02:08:02 nobody else has this problem because their IrDA ports are all on the left, but mine was on the right 02:08:37 Aha. Heh... 02:08:51 and now I won't have that problem any more 02:09:09 I put the IRDA menu thingy up, but i've not used it yet 02:09:33 I used IrDA on my Mac with my cell phone, but it was flaky 02:11:37 I should get a coffee table 02:11:48 what for? 02:12:10 to display your copies of p and a's guide to web publishing 02:12:14 so that I set down things near the couch but not on the floor 02:14:41 heh: "Pent-up news is starting to burst the seams of the Wi-Fi smokehouse, in which I carefully age and rotate stories." 02:29:24 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 02:29:36 GabeW attack! 02:29:43 man 02:29:55 I didn't know I was GabeW the Hun 02:30:37 I saw a swarm of GabeWs join every channel that I'm on :-) 02:30:46 uh, shoulda just been one 02:31:06 of course, you are on 3/4 of the channels I'm one 02:31:07 on 02:31:50 uh oh, time to recharge for kerberos 02:31:58 heh 02:33:43 if it wasn't for kerberos, we'd get nothing done around here 02:36:51 ok, i'm getting offline - toomuch working toaday 02:37:00 gnight all 02:37:26 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:38:31 @ http://www.rushkoff.com/blog.html 02:39:14 A: http://www.rushkoff.com/blog.html from AaronSw 02:39:27 A:|Douglas Rushkoff has a weblog 02:39:43 titled item A 02:40:43 A::His new book is "Nothing Sacred: The Case for Open Source Judaism" -- odd, last I heard (before this) was that it was about Open Source Religion. 02:40:59 commented item A 02:46:22 @ http://scriban.com/movabletype/2002_04_12.html 02:46:53 B: http://scriban.com/movabletype/2002_04_12.html from wmf 02:51:54 * wmf sings 02:52:11 numbers, passwords, protocol, it's not enough to save your soul... 03:05:19 * AaronSw AGs 03:06:11 B:|Price Fixing Since 1996 Caused CD Sales Slowdown 03:06:30 titled item B 03:07:23 B::Heh, "Year of the Peer" 03:07:39 commented item B 03:31:54 On building the Segway: "This kind of celebration of failure and culture of open communication also helped overcome a major challenge associated with many startup projects: How to move a group of engineers from the idea mode to the execution mode." 03:32:26 woo! let's hear it for failure! 03:32:50 'It might sound a little far out, but the company even has a special award for the engineer who comes up with the most spectacular failure‹the so-called "frog award."' 03:34:12 AaronSw has changed the topic to: "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing [censored -ed.]" - Benjamin Franklin 03:35:06 heh: "Women's input into the way things are run would be more beneficial, to be sure. But women leaders aren't necessarily good solely by their virtue of being women. My fave counterexample: Margaret Thatcher." 03:36:31 and then someone else suggestests Carly Fiorina 04:29:58 boy am I glad that microsoft remains committed to exploiting, er, supporting the Mac. maybe they'll actually fix their Entourage bugs 04:36:40 tav (tav@217.34.70.143) has joined #swhack 04:36:50 any life? 04:37:04 hey tav 04:37:40 rehi 04:39:37 tav! 04:39:52 wmf, entourage bugs? 04:40:04 so, what's new? 04:40:05 yeah man 04:40:28 like what? 04:40:53 like when you click in a window and it moves the window so that the title bar is where you clicked 04:41:05 oh, i just assumed that was an OS X bug 04:41:06 bought that cinema hd yet? ;p 04:41:16 like when you click on a window and it doesn't come to the front because it thinks it's already in front 04:41:25 ditto 04:41:32 those never happen to me in any app besides entourage 04:41:40 bad carbon mojo 04:41:56 guess so. i'm not sure whether this is good or bad news 04:42:09 -- 04:42:10 13:59:58 [rabataf] 04:42:10 did you ever try to use https:// schemes in py-2.2? 04:42:11 -- 04:42:17 that's been fixed now btw 04:42:25 in 2.2.1? 04:42:29 yea 04:43:38 if I had paid full price for both office 2001 and office X I would be pissed, because office X took so long to come out and it didn't have any interesting new features, nor did it fix the old bugs, but it added new ones 04:44:20 tav: yeah, I ordered the cinema hd; didn't you see it on your credit card? 04:44:47 what's hd in this context? 04:44:56 hi definition 04:45:00 they have cinema-size hard drives? 04:45:00 oh 04:45:09 well, amidst sports cars, and beach houses, it's easy to miss 04:46:55 man i fucking hate being solicited by unknown individuals on opn 04:47:07 for what? 04:47:18 "hey, you're that mysterious tav guy! can you help me with..." 04:47:54 help / info / random chat 04:48:10 i don't mind any of those, but wish they'd do it in the bloody channel 04:48:23 it must be because your tav 04:49:55 heh 04:50:08 hmz, what's with #swhack 04:50:17 what? 04:50:23 the last 2 day logs are abysmal! 04:50:30 where's the rich content? 04:50:47 well, we got some new members... 04:50:48 taxes 04:50:56 the content isn't so rich any more 04:51:05 whose new? 04:51:40 j* 04:51:47 ah 04:52:21 ehm, she was here before wasn't she? 04:52:41 for what value of before? 04:53:01 * tav recalls getting jillzilla to join here back when i hung out here 04:53:34 when did the split happen? 04:53:38 split? 04:53:44 .google momu aaron tav 04:53:45 momu aaron tav: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Mar/0015.html 04:54:14 before being `before mid-feb` 04:55:58 she just joined a couple of days ago, so she must have left.... 04:56:18 hmz 04:56:21 remember #google? 04:56:26 yep 04:56:33 anyways, hi jill 04:56:48 talk about more interesting stuff 04:58:07 work on the fucking plesh! 05:06:06 say hi to sbp for me 05:06:22 and tell me when the place becomes interesting again 05:06:22 sure 05:06:27 heh 05:09:12 * tav blows kisses and disappears 05:09:29 tav has left #swhack 05:36:14 wmf has quit ("wmf has no reason") 05:37:15 ooh, rael linked to me. and google says i'm related to him by 5 05:47:58 TODO tomorrow: prepare for number theory talk on crypto 05:48:02 G'nite all 08:46:01 Seth has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:28:55 cotton (~lynx@digit350.aunet.au.ac.th) has joined #swhack 10:28:59 hi all :D~ 10:52:32 cotton has quit ("we'll either find a way , or make one") 11:30:26 lol @ and tell me when the place becomes interesting again 11:31:38 ooh, I just got a clever bit of spam 11:32:12 Gotta run 13:37:07 fleasures of the plesh 14:30:38 aha! it works because phi is multiplicative and phi(prime) = prime - 1 14:31:06 that's really cute 14:48:27 aw man, I seem to have lost more information! 14:48:33 my Hard Drive must be leaking 14:48:55 heh 14:49:08 quick, maybe you can pick it up with a towel 14:50:28 ah, actually, I found it. phew 14:55:02 you should back up more 14:55:38 well, I do have stuff archived, and I think I have this bit of info. archived twice 14:55:45 it's just difficult to find :-) 14:56:03 archived? 14:56:45 archived 14:56:51 how so? 14:57:08 in zip and on CD 14:57:34 ah. big revenue stream, that. cf. http://www.eastgate.com/catalog/Praystation.html 14:58:31 interesting 14:58:45 * sbp would put a high price on some of his CDs. Eclectic 15:04:10 your hard drive would probably be pretty interesting to see 15:04:25 or your cds... whatever 15:05:04 it would be more disturbing than anything else 15:05:16 that just makes it all the more artistic 15:13:56 * sbp is still trying to select a new .sig 15:14:05 perhaps I should tgz my HD and hash it 15:14:10 heh! 15:14:34 hash "Kindest Regards," 15:14:44 heh, heh 15:15:00 I'm going to drop that altogether, and rely on putting it in by hand 15:15:06 woohoo! 15:15:14 de49f6337440e6217e40d69a74de395383e3f1fd5af6c23684b1291dda885844a4bd02047b10854c89827d898c6cc707e81528886ed7041ab174d83ca3f9d820 15:15:19 'cause it's silly having "cheers" and "Kindest regards" 15:16:12 * sbp checks and concurs 15:16:50 -- 15:16:51 Sean B. Palmer 15:16:57 it's just an arse having so little space, and the annoyance of having to put my name and homepage URI in there 15:16:58 heh, it reminds me of an old .sig I used to have: 15:16:59 This message is top secret. When you have finished reading it, destroy yourself. 15:17:04 - Marshall McLuhan 15:17:08 lol 15:18:10 this lines up nicely:- 15:18:14 -- 15:18:15 Sean B. Palmer 15:18:15 Cartman: Screw you guys: I'm a goin' home 15:19:08 * sbp doesn't really consider using it, though 15:19:11 phew 15:20:16 Sean B. Palmer 15:20:17 This message is yours to share and enjoy. 15:22:53 -- 15:22:59 Sean B. Palmer 15:22:59 email: (C) SBP 2002; .sig: Patent pending 15:23:10 heh 15:23:15 * AaronSw smiles 15:23:55 * sbp is not sure whether to go for soem really obscure thing that'll get people searching for the meaning, or some really kick-ass obscure quote 15:25:40 Vex: "I know what you're thinking, 'cause right now I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I've been thinking it ever since I got here: Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?" 15:25:45 like Kubrick Jupiter thing 15:25:46 - http://www.treedragon.com/ygg/flea.htm 15:25:53 s/like/like the/ 15:26:01 "Kubrick Jupiter?" he asks, while googling 15:26:22 yeah, the streetsign thing 15:26:50 kinda like the "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" thing, although that was solved 15:27:23 quite an obvious solution too, when you hear it 15:27:24 google doens't know about this kubrick jupiter thing 15:27:33 it should do 15:27:45 obvious? what was the frequency? 15:27:52 .google Kubrick resurrect dead on Jupiter 15:27:56 Kubrick resurrect dead on Jupiter: http://pobox.com/~woneill/sidewalk.html 15:28:14 ah 15:28:30 I don't think that there was a frequency. The guy obviously thought that there was though, and that Rather held the key 15:29:05 well that's not an answer. pfft 15:29:32 well, the question wasn't answered 15:29:49 but the mystery behind the question was lifted 15:30:17 (when they caught the guy that did it... actually, already in prison for murder, IIRC) 15:30:31 as Rather said, it's a shame that they didn't catch him earlier 15:30:55 heh: "Mayor Charlie Luken, a Democrat facing reelection, is playing the issue of the Toynbee Tiles straight down the middle. Asked, for example, if he thinks resurrecting the dead on Jupiter is a good idea, Luken declined to be interviewed." 15:31:04 :-) 15:33:52 actually, i saw a good message that looked like that... 15:33:57 * AaronSw uploads 15:34:51 oh, i think i already uploaded it 15:35:19 ah, yeah: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/school/IMG_0921.JPG/view 15:35:56 .google "are you a slave to your products" 15:35:57 no results found. 15:36:01 interesting 15:36:11 .google "slave to your products" 15:36:12 no results found. 15:36:17 Hmm... 15:36:26 it's a world exclusive, folks! 15:36:45 actually, that's a good point: I'd probably have to get it from off of the Web 15:37:06 since anything that I find on the Web is subject to a Google search. Even really arcane bits of info. are no longer all that arcane 15:37:35 mayeb you could just put in the robust sig of your homepage 15:37:37 since you just prefix it with ".google ", plop into into swhack, and our glofied vending machine here will display the result 15:37:42 or at least some of it 15:38:09 yeah, but I fiddle with my homepage, so it's bound to change 15:38:15 so? 15:39:20 html swhack seanpalmer infomesh rdfig 15:39:54 Sean B. Palmer 15:39:54 swhack seanpalmer infomesh rdfig phenomic 15:40:07 .google swhack seanpalmer infomesh rdfig phenomic 15:40:09 swhack seanpalmer infomesh rdfig phenomic: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp 15:40:21 .google sbp 15:40:22 sbp: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp 15:40:26 it'd also up the number of phenomic references ;) 15:40:41 -- 15:40:41 Sean B. Palmer, 15:41:01 ah! phenomic 15:41:12 heh. better watch out tho, the state bank of pakistan is gaining on you 15:41:39 heh, heh 15:42:48 Sean B. Palmer 15:42:48 pioneer phenomic python palmer plays pool 15:43:08 heh, cool 15:45:25 * sbp wonders how many great songs have gone unrecorded 15:47:00 I should invent something cool, and then I can do 15:47:08 Sean B. Palmer: inventor of the pig-scraper 15:47:09 hey! that's rude 15:47:13 oh, heh 15:47:13 or whatever 15:47:18 ? 15:47:30 sorry, i thought you were gonna pull a 15:48:00 a what? 15:48:28 * sbp looks around - where'd he go? 15:48:32 a Gail Wynand 15:48:56 save me a .google, could ya? :-) 15:49:14 heh 15:49:41 gah 15:49:42 .google "Gail Wynand" 15:49:43 "Gail Wynand": http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/johngalt/text/wynand.txt 15:49:44 Gail Wynand buys up all the great art and locks it up in his private storeroom so no one can look at it 15:50:32 Hmm... what was that in reference to? 15:50:47 "* sbp wonders how many great songs have gone unrecorded 15:50:47 I should invent something cool, and then I can do" 15:51:24 ah, right. I should have added a colon-hyphen 15:51:34 thus:- 15:51:35 :- 15:51:55 what's bijan call it? smith's stroke or some such 15:52:09 I didn't know that he called it anything 15:53:16 * sbp has been careful to try to record everything lately 15:53:22 well, most good things, anyway 15:53:34 not that anyone will ever get to hear any of it 15:53:58 ah, scheffer stroke 15:54:03 this is cool: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~ulf/csh/ethym-sym.html 15:54:31 hm, I guess that's | 15:54:33 indeed 15:55:11 weird: "A Martian who lacked negation but did have the Scheffer stroke, l, would need to tease out the impossibility from a complex sentence;" 15:56:29 odd. the infinity sign was originillay used for equivalence 15:57:50 yeah, I noted that because it seemed important 15:58:15 cool related page: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~ulf/csh/commcomp.html 15:59:51 heh, i'm #1 related to you: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&safe=images&q=related%3Apurl.org%2Fnet%2Fsbp%2F 16:01:29 heh, heh, heh 16:01:40 we must be friends, google wills it. 16:01:42 that may even deserve a pseudo-bwahaha 16:01:58 on the other hand, a distributed decentralized information storage and retrieval system is #1 related to me 16:01:59 :-) 16:02:04 weird 16:02:21 you have more interesting friends than I, clearly 16:02:23 i think that'd be freenet 16:02:41 your my first human relation 16:03:11 you won't be for much longer if you keep using "your" for "you're" 16:03:27 i'll just have to use "yer" for both 16:03:36 * sbp makes less sense than MacArthur park sometimes 16:03:50 yeah. I'm leaning towards y'all for second person plural 16:03:50 at least you don't start melting in the dark 16:03:58 heh, heh 16:04:14 google also says Plextor is related to me 16:04:26 Plextor? heh 16:04:35 sounds like a super-villain 16:04:35 and aolserver and userland.com 16:04:43 all fear the mighty plextor! 16:05:30 who should i talk to about letting google index c2 wiki? 16:06:12