IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-14

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00:00:48 [sbp]

cavern nights, gnomic interruptions and whistling bells

00:03:04 [sbp]

sometimes I think that Shakespeare was a fool, but at other times, I wonder how he managed without T.V. and the Web

00:14:46 [sbp]

I wonder if people read letters by lamplight anymore?

00:15:35 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if "Nobody's Business But Mine" is related to "Nobody's Fault But Mine"

00:15:44 [sbp]

* sbp somewhat doubts that it is

00:16:14 [sbp]

(just concedentally similar titles)

00:21:49 [sbp]

"Increver na lista"?

00:29:48 [sbp]

Does G****d have a ten-foot pole?

00:32:11 [BenSw]

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00:32:34 [sbp]

common law is so cool

00:32:38 [sbp]

Hey Ben

00:32:39 [BenSw]

hi

00:34:10 [Seth]

hi sean, u ever use Tkinter?

00:35:24 [sbp]

I wrote a text editor using TKInter once

00:36:24 [Seth]

im just trying to put a Entry box on a frame

00:36:44 [Seth]

cant figure out how to use the textvariable=

00:37:02 [Seth]

self.inBox = Entry(frame, textvariable=inthing, width=80).pack(side=LEFT)

00:37:25 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech." - Benjamin Franklin

00:37:31 [sbp]

dunno

00:37:35 [sbp]

have you tried Google?

00:37:59 [Seth]

yeah ill figure it out .. just though it might be tip of your toung

00:39:25 [sbp]

I'm afraid not. I didn't use it in the editor, it seems

00:43:36 [sbp]

try http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-tkprg/

00:44:50 [Seth]

thanks i will

00:44:59 [sbp]

pungent lions. Heh, that reminds me of South Park tonight - another controversial episode

00:45:17 [sbp]

with the humorous lions

00:45:32 [sbp]

"pull my thorn"

00:45:34 [BenSw]

you get south park on sky?

00:45:46 [sbp]

yep

00:47:10 [BenSw]

* BenSw guesses thats its only on saturdays

00:47:35 [sbp]

yep, I think you're right

00:48:36 [sbp]

* sbp wonders about the origin of the phrase "green mountain men"

00:49:25 [BenSw]

I was playing with simpsons studio last night, it was weird

00:49:44 [sbp]

heh, indeed

00:50:02 [sbp]

it takes a bit of getting used to...

00:50:07 [BenSw]

its hard to get two people in each scene, mine went something like this

00:51:09 [BenSw]

homer walks over to cliff falls(stays in air) desk appears, switch scene to beach homers on desk, don't remember the rest, basicly playing around with other characters

00:51:16 [sbp]

* sbp wonders who the guy shouting on "Toad" is

00:51:46 [sbp]

surreal

00:55:20 [BenSw]

.time cst

00:55:20 [xena]

Apr. 13, 2002 7:55 pm US/Central

00:55:46 [BenSw]

ah finnaly a right time, all the clocks in my house are screwed up

00:55:51 [sbp]

"Momma's gonna cook some shortnin' bread"

00:55:55 [sbp]

heh

00:56:42 [sbp]

.time whereverIam

00:56:42 [xena]

error: Site Error occurred: KeyError

00:57:02 [BenSw]

ooh a bug in xena

00:57:23 [sbp]

well, it's gone one, and coming up to two too

00:57:32 [BenSw]

heh

00:57:45 [sbp]

whereverIam is not a valid key, so xena was right to barf it up all over the channel

00:58:07 [BenSw]

xena should find out what your hostname is and find out where you are ;)

00:58:26 [sbp]

right. and then it'd give me a CST time, which is wrong

00:58:28 [BenSw]

* BenSw installs python on his new wibm

00:58:36 [BenSw]

winibm

01:00:53 [BenSw]

well i shouldn't say new ;), its from 1998 or so, though it has usb ports, maybe those people at apple lied ;)

01:01:29 [sbp]

it's funny: I found all of these things that people have forgotten, and stored them in notes. Now I've lost and forgotten them too, although they're still there waiting to be found. But I lost an important one recently, which ticked me off

01:02:13 [sbp]

About St. John the Evangelist. I just can't find it anywhere

01:02:51 [sbp]

* sbp wonders how much Aaron actually uses his HTTP archive

01:22:51 [wmf]

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01:23:01 [wmf]

hey AaronSw

01:23:13 [AaronSw]

wmf!

01:23:22 [AaronSw]

hello all

01:25:21 [AaronSw]

<deltab> it's Semantic Web or SWartz or something

01:25:22 [AaronSw]

no! doesn't any ever read the website... or wmf's website... it's a sound... swhack!

01:25:40 [AaronSw]

that's for my name, deltab

01:27:23 [AaronSw]

on second thought...

01:27:32 [AaronSw]

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01:27:32 [AaronSw]

<Guest49856> sw - > short wave?

01:27:32 [AaronSw]

<deltab> semantic web

01:27:32 [AaronSw]

<Guest49856> o

01:27:33 [AaronSw]

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01:27:35 [AaronSw]

could convince me otherwise

01:28:20 [AaronSw]

ooh, this is good: <sbp> swhack stands for "Semantic Web hack dishwasher", BTW. The "d" got chopped off

01:35:10 [AaronSw]

sbp, I use my archive only occasionally. i was actually considering deleting it. or sending it to Brewster...

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01:47:08 [AaronSw]

Gotta run: dinner

01:59:32 [AaronSw]

wmf, tell us your irda story

02:02:29 [AaronSw]

Hm, this is new: question spamming.

02:02:47 [AaronSw]

oh, it's not a question

02:03:02 [AaronSw]

he searched google for the thing he was selling, and then spidered all the emails off those pages, apparently.

02:03:09 [AaronSw]

"Note: I found your email address while reading your web page pertaining to XML and Acrobat-based forms. Its web's address is shown above."

02:03:51 [wmf]

ok, IrDA

02:04:13 [wmf]

so one day I went to a group meeting

02:04:44 [wmf]

and my thinkpad was emitting sound effects at random times

02:05:13 [AaronSw]

ok...

02:05:13 [wmf]

this was confusing me and annoying everyone else in the metting

02:05:54 [wmf]

it turned out that my machine was making and breaking IrDA connections with the person next to me

02:05:55 [AaronSw]

what kind of sound effects? like beeps?

02:06:06 [AaronSw]

aha

02:06:24 [wmf]

yeah, it has special beeps for when it sees another machine and when the connection breaks

02:06:50 [wmf]

then the other guy figured this out and he started trying to transfer files to me

02:07:02 [wmf]

so I kept rejecting them

02:07:23 [wmf]

meanwhile my boss was giving me dirty looks

02:08:02 [wmf]

nobody else has this problem because their IrDA ports are all on the left, but mine was on the right

02:08:37 [AaronSw]

Aha. Heh...

02:08:51 [wmf]

and now I won't have that problem any more

02:09:09 [AaronSw]

I put the IRDA menu thingy up, but i've not used it yet

02:09:33 [wmf]

I used IrDA on my Mac with my cell phone, but it was flaky

02:11:37 [wmf]

I should get a coffee table

02:11:48 [AaronSw]

what for?

02:12:10 [AaronSw]

to display your copies of p and a's guide to web publishing

02:12:14 [wmf]

so that I set down things near the couch but not on the floor

02:14:41 [wmf]

heh: "Pent-up news is starting to burst the seams of the Wi-Fi smokehouse, in which I carefully age and rotate stories."

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02:29:36 [wmf]

GabeW attack!

02:29:43 [GabeW]

man

02:29:55 [GabeW]

I didn't know I was GabeW the Hun

02:30:37 [wmf]

I saw a swarm of GabeWs join every channel that I'm on :-)

02:30:46 [GabeW]

uh, shoulda just been one

02:31:06 [GabeW]

of course, you are on 3/4 of the channels I'm one

02:31:07 [GabeW]

on

02:31:50 [wmf]

uh oh, time to recharge for kerberos

02:31:58 [AaronSw]

heh

02:33:43 [wmf]

if it wasn't for kerberos, we'd get nothing done around here

02:36:51 [GabeW]

ok, i'm getting offline - toomuch working toaday

02:37:00 [GabeW]

gnight all

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02:38:31 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.rushkoff.com/blog.html

02:39:14 [chumpster]

A: http://www.rushkoff.com/blog.html from AaronSw

02:39:27 [AaronSw]

A:|Douglas Rushkoff has a weblog

02:39:43 [chumpster]

titled item A

02:40:43 [AaronSw]

A::His new book is "Nothing Sacred: The Case for Open Source Judaism" -- odd, last I heard (before this) was that it was about Open Source Religion.

02:40:59 [chumpster]

commented item A

02:46:22 [wmf]

@ http://scriban.com/movabletype/2002_04_12.html

02:46:53 [chumpster]

B: http://scriban.com/movabletype/2002_04_12.html from wmf

02:51:54 [wmf]

* wmf sings

02:52:11 [wmf]

numbers, passwords, protocol, it's not enough to save your soul...

03:05:19 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw AGs

03:06:11 [AaronSw]

B:|Price Fixing Since 1996 Caused CD Sales Slowdown

03:06:30 [chumpster]

titled item B

03:07:23 [AaronSw]

B::Heh, "Year of the Peer"

03:07:39 [chumpster]

commented item B

03:31:54 [AaronSw]

On building the Segway: "This kind of celebration of failure and culture of open communication also helped overcome a major challenge associated with many startup projects: How to move a group of engineers from the idea mode to the execution mode."

03:32:26 [wmf]

woo! let's hear it for failure!

03:32:50 [AaronSw]

'It might sound a little far out, but the company even has a special award for the engineer who comes up with the most spectacular failure‹the so-called "frog award."'

03:34:12 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing [censored -ed.]" - Benjamin Franklin

03:35:06 [AaronSw]

heh: "Women's input into the way things are run would be more beneficial, to be sure. But women leaders aren't necessarily good solely by their virtue of being women. My fave counterexample: Margaret Thatcher."

03:36:31 [AaronSw]

and then someone else suggestests Carly Fiorina

04:29:58 [wmf]

boy am I glad that microsoft remains committed to exploiting, er, supporting the Mac. maybe they'll actually fix their Entourage bugs

04:36:40 [tav]

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04:36:50 [tav]

any life?

04:37:04 [wmf]

hey tav

04:37:40 [tav]

rehi

04:39:37 [AaronSw]

tav!

04:39:52 [AaronSw]

wmf, entourage bugs?

04:40:04 [tav]

so, what's new?

04:40:05 [wmf]

yeah man

04:40:28 [AaronSw]

like what?

04:40:53 [wmf]

like when you click in a window and it moves the window so that the title bar is where you clicked

04:41:05 [AaronSw]

oh, i just assumed that was an OS X bug

04:41:06 [tav]

bought that cinema hd yet? ;p

04:41:16 [wmf]

like when you click on a window and it doesn't come to the front because it thinks it's already in front

04:41:25 [AaronSw]

ditto

04:41:32 [wmf]

those never happen to me in any app besides entourage

04:41:40 [wmf]

bad carbon mojo

04:41:56 [AaronSw]

guess so. i'm not sure whether this is good or bad news

04:42:09 [tav]

--

04:42:10 [tav]

13:59:58 [rabataf]

04:42:10 [tav]

did you ever try to use https:// schemes in py-2.2?

04:42:11 [tav]

--

04:42:17 [tav]

that's been fixed now btw

04:42:25 [AaronSw]

in 2.2.1?

04:42:29 [tav]

yea

04:43:38 [wmf]

if I had paid full price for both office 2001 and office X I would be pissed, because office X took so long to come out and it didn't have any interesting new features, nor did it fix the old bugs, but it added new ones

04:44:20 [wmf]

tav: yeah, I ordered the cinema hd; didn't you see it on your credit card?

04:44:47 [AaronSw]

what's hd in this context?

04:44:56 [wmf]

hi definition

04:45:00 [AaronSw]

they have cinema-size hard drives?

04:45:00 [AaronSw]

oh

04:45:09 [tav]

well, amidst sports cars, and beach houses, it's easy to miss

04:46:55 [tav]

man i fucking hate being solicited by unknown individuals on opn

04:47:07 [AaronSw]

for what?

04:47:18 [wmf]

"hey, you're that mysterious tav guy! can you help me with..."

04:47:54 [tav]

help / info / random chat

04:48:10 [tav]

i don't mind any of those, but wish they'd do it in the bloody channel

04:48:23 [AaronSw]

it must be because your tav

04:49:55 [tav]

heh

04:50:08 [tav]

hmz, what's with #swhack

04:50:17 [AaronSw]

what?

04:50:23 [tav]

the last 2 day logs are abysmal!

04:50:30 [tav]

where's the rich content?

04:50:47 [AaronSw]

well, we got some new members...

04:50:48 [wmf]

taxes

04:50:56 [wmf]

the content isn't so rich any more

04:51:05 [tav]

whose new?

04:51:40 [AaronSw]

j*

04:51:47 [tav]

ah

04:52:21 [tav]

ehm, she was here before wasn't she?

04:52:41 [AaronSw]

for what value of before?

04:53:01 [tav]

* tav recalls getting jillzilla to join here back when i hung out here

04:53:34 [tav]

when did the split happen?

04:53:38 [AaronSw]

split?

04:53:44 [tav]

.google momu aaron tav

04:53:45 [xena]

momu aaron tav: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2002Mar/0015.html

04:54:14 [tav]

before being `before mid-feb`

04:55:58 [AaronSw]

she just joined a couple of days ago, so she must have left....

04:56:18 [tav]

hmz

04:56:21 [tav]

remember #google?

04:56:26 [AaronSw]

yep

04:56:33 [tav]

anyways, hi jill

04:56:48 [tav]

talk about more interesting stuff

04:58:07 [tav]

work on the fucking plesh!

05:06:06 [tav]

say hi to sbp for me

05:06:22 [tav]

and tell me when the place becomes interesting again

05:06:22 [AaronSw]

sure

05:06:27 [AaronSw]

heh

05:09:12 [tav]

* tav blows kisses and disappears

05:09:29 [tav]

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05:36:14 [wmf]

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05:37:15 [AaronSw]

ooh, rael linked to me. and google says i'm related to him by 5

05:47:58 [AaronSw]

TODO tomorrow: prepare for number theory talk on crypto

05:48:02 [AaronSw]

G'nite all

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10:28:55 [cotton]

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10:28:59 [cotton]

hi all :D~

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11:30:26 [sbp]

lol @ <tav> and tell me when the place becomes interesting again

11:31:38 [sbp]

ooh, I just got a clever bit of spam

11:32:12 [sbp]

Gotta run

13:37:07 [AaronSw]

fleasures of the plesh

14:30:38 [AaronSw]

aha! it works because phi is multiplicative and phi(prime) = prime - 1

14:31:06 [AaronSw]

that's really cute

14:48:27 [sbp]

aw man, I seem to have lost more information!

14:48:33 [sbp]

my Hard Drive must be leaking

14:48:55 [AaronSw]

heh

14:49:08 [AaronSw]

quick, maybe you can pick it up with a towel

14:50:28 [sbp]

ah, actually, I found it. phew

14:55:02 [AaronSw]

you should back up more

14:55:38 [sbp]

well, I do have stuff archived, and I think I have this bit of info. archived twice

14:55:45 [sbp]

it's just difficult to find :-)

14:56:03 [AaronSw]

archived?

14:56:45 [sbp]

archived

14:56:51 [AaronSw]

how so?

14:57:08 [sbp]

in zip and on CD

14:57:34 [AaronSw]

ah. big revenue stream, that. cf. http://www.eastgate.com/catalog/Praystation.html

14:58:31 [sbp]

interesting

14:58:45 [sbp]

* sbp would put a high price on some of his CDs. Eclectic

15:04:10 [AaronSw]

your hard drive would probably be pretty interesting to see

15:04:25 [AaronSw]

or your cds... whatever

15:05:04 [sbp]

it would be more disturbing than anything else

15:05:16 [AaronSw]

that just makes it all the more artistic

15:13:56 [sbp]

* sbp is still trying to select a new .sig

15:14:05 [sbp]

perhaps I should tgz my HD and hash it

15:14:10 [AaronSw]

heh!

15:14:34 [AaronSw]

hash "Kindest Regards,"

15:14:44 [sbp]

heh, heh

15:15:00 [sbp]

I'm going to drop that altogether, and rely on putting it in by hand

15:15:06 [AaronSw]

woohoo!

15:15:14 [AaronSw]

de49f6337440e6217e40d69a74de395383e3f1fd5af6c23684b1291dda885844a4bd02047b10854c89827d898c6cc707e81528886ed7041ab174d83ca3f9d820

15:15:19 [sbp]

'cause it's silly having "cheers" and "Kindest regards"

15:16:12 [sbp]

* sbp checks and concurs

15:16:50 [AaronSw]

--

15:16:51 [AaronSw]

Sean B. Palmer <http://purl.org/net/sbp/>

15:16:57 [sbp]

it's just an arse having so little space, and the annoyance of having to put my name and homepage URI in there

15:16:58 [AaronSw]

heh, it reminds me of an old .sig I used to have:

15:16:59 [AaronSw]

This message is top secret. When you have finished reading it, destroy yourself.

15:17:04 [AaronSw]

- Marshall McLuhan

15:17:08 [sbp]

lol

15:18:10 [sbp]

this lines up nicely:-

15:18:14 [sbp]

--

15:18:15 [sbp]

Sean B. Palmer <http://purl.org/net/sbp/>

15:18:15 [sbp]

Cartman: Screw you guys: I'm a goin' home

15:19:08 [sbp]

* sbp doesn't really consider using it, though

15:19:11 [AaronSw]

phew

15:20:16 [AaronSw]

Sean B. Palmer <http://purl.org/net/sbp/>

15:20:17 [AaronSw]

This message is yours to share and enjoy.

15:22:53 [sbp]

--

15:22:59 [sbp]

Sean B. Palmer <http://purl.org/net/sbp/>

15:22:59 [sbp]

email: (C) SBP 2002; .sig: Patent pending

15:23:10 [AaronSw]

heh

15:23:15 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw smiles

15:23:55 [sbp]

* sbp is not sure whether to go for soem really obscure thing that'll get people searching for the meaning, or some really kick-ass obscure quote

15:25:40 [AaronSw]

Vex: "I know what you're thinking, 'cause right now I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, I've been thinking it ever since I got here: Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?"

15:25:45 [sbp]

like Kubrick Jupiter thing

15:25:46 [AaronSw]

- http://www.treedragon.com/ygg/flea.htm

15:25:53 [sbp]

s/like/like the/

15:26:01 [AaronSw]

"Kubrick Jupiter?" he asks, while googling

15:26:22 [sbp]

yeah, the streetsign thing

15:26:50 [sbp]

kinda like the "What's the frequency, Kenneth?" thing, although that was solved

15:27:23 [sbp]

quite an obvious solution too, when you hear it

15:27:24 [AaronSw]

google doens't know about this kubrick jupiter thing

15:27:33 [sbp]

it should do

15:27:45 [AaronSw]

obvious? what was the frequency?

15:27:52 [sbp]

.google Kubrick resurrect dead on Jupiter

15:27:56 [xena]

Kubrick resurrect dead on Jupiter: http://pobox.com/~woneill/sidewalk.html

15:28:14 [AaronSw]

ah

15:28:30 [sbp]

I don't think that there was a frequency. The guy obviously thought that there was though, and that Rather held the key

15:29:05 [AaronSw]

well that's not an answer. pfft

15:29:32 [sbp]

well, the question wasn't answered

15:29:49 [sbp]

but the mystery behind the question was lifted

15:30:17 [sbp]

(when they caught the guy that did it... actually, already in prison for murder, IIRC)

15:30:31 [sbp]

as Rather said, it's a shame that they didn't catch him earlier

15:30:55 [AaronSw]

heh: "Mayor Charlie Luken, a Democrat facing reelection, is playing the issue of the Toynbee Tiles straight down the middle. Asked, for example, if he thinks resurrecting the dead on Jupiter is a good idea, Luken declined to be interviewed."

15:31:04 [sbp]

:-)

15:33:52 [AaronSw]

actually, i saw a good message that looked like that...

15:33:57 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw uploads

15:34:51 [AaronSw]

oh, i think i already uploaded it

15:35:19 [AaronSw]

ah, yeah: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/school/IMG_0921.JPG/view

15:35:56 [AaronSw]

.google "are you a slave to your products"

15:35:57 [xena]

no results found.

15:36:01 [sbp]

interesting

15:36:11 [sbp]

.google "slave to your products"

15:36:12 [xena]

no results found.

15:36:17 [sbp]

Hmm...

15:36:26 [sbp]

it's a world exclusive, folks!

15:36:45 [sbp]

actually, that's a good point: I'd probably have to get it from off of the Web

15:37:06 [sbp]

since anything that I find on the Web is subject to a Google search. Even really arcane bits of info. are no longer all that arcane

15:37:35 [AaronSw]

mayeb you could just put in the robust sig of your homepage

15:37:37 [sbp]

since you just prefix it with ".google ", plop into into swhack, and our glofied vending machine here will display the result

15:37:42 [AaronSw]

or at least some of it

15:38:09 [sbp]

yeah, but I fiddle with my homepage, so it's bound to change

15:38:15 [AaronSw]

so?

15:39:20 [AaronSw]

html swhack seanpalmer infomesh rdfig

15:39:54 [AaronSw]

Sean B. Palmer <http://purl.org/net/sbp/>

15:39:54 [AaronSw]

swhack seanpalmer infomesh rdfig phenomic

15:40:07 [sbp]

.google swhack seanpalmer infomesh rdfig phenomic

15:40:09 [xena]

swhack seanpalmer infomesh rdfig phenomic: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp

15:40:21 [sbp]

.google sbp

15:40:22 [xena]

sbp: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp

15:40:26 [AaronSw]

it'd also up the number of phenomic references ;)

15:40:41 [sbp]

--

15:40:41 [sbp]

Sean B. Palmer, <google:sbp>

15:41:01 [sbp]

ah! phenomic

15:41:12 [AaronSw]

heh. better watch out tho, the state bank of pakistan is gaining on you

15:41:39 [sbp]

heh, heh

15:42:48 [AaronSw]

Sean B. Palmer <http://purl.org/net/sbp/>

15:42:48 [AaronSw]

pioneer phenomic python palmer plays pool

15:43:08 [sbp]

heh, cool

15:45:25 [sbp]

* sbp wonders how many great songs have gone unrecorded

15:47:00 [sbp]

I should invent something cool, and then I can do

15:47:08 [sbp]

Sean B. Palmer: inventor of the pig-scraper

15:47:09 [AaronSw]

hey! that's rude

15:47:13 [AaronSw]

oh, heh

15:47:13 [sbp]

or whatever

15:47:18 [sbp]

?

15:47:30 [AaronSw]

sorry, i thought you were gonna pull a

15:48:00 [sbp]

a what?

15:48:28 [sbp]

* sbp looks around - where'd he go?

15:48:32 [AaronSw]

a Gail Wynand

15:48:56 [sbp]

save me a .google, could ya? :-)

15:49:14 [AaronSw]

heh

15:49:41 [sbp]

gah

15:49:42 [sbp]

.google "Gail Wynand"

15:49:43 [xena]

"Gail Wynand": http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/johngalt/text/wynand.txt

15:49:44 [AaronSw]

Gail Wynand buys up all the great art and locks it up in his private storeroom so no one can look at it

15:50:32 [sbp]

Hmm... what was that in reference to?

15:50:47 [AaronSw]

"* sbp wonders how many great songs have gone unrecorded

15:50:47 [AaronSw]

<sbp> I should invent something cool, and then I can do"

15:51:24 [sbp]

ah, right. I should have added a colon-hyphen

15:51:34 [sbp]

thus:-

15:51:35 [sbp]

:-

15:51:55 [AaronSw]

what's bijan call it? smith's stroke or some such

15:52:09 [sbp]

I didn't know that he called it anything

15:53:16 [sbp]

* sbp has been careful to try to record everything lately

15:53:22 [sbp]

well, most good things, anyway

15:53:34 [sbp]

not that anyone will ever get to hear any of it

15:53:58 [AaronSw]

ah, scheffer stroke

15:54:03 [AaronSw]

this is cool: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~ulf/csh/ethym-sym.html

15:54:31 [AaronSw]

hm, I guess that's |

15:54:33 [sbp]

indeed

15:55:11 [AaronSw]

weird: "A Martian who lacked negation but did have the Scheffer stroke, l, would need to tease out the impossibility from a complex sentence;"

15:56:29 [AaronSw]

odd. the infinity sign was originillay used for equivalence

15:57:50 [sbp]

yeah, I noted that because it seemed important

15:58:15 [sbp]

cool related page: http://web.cs.mun.ca/~ulf/csh/commcomp.html

15:59:51 [AaronSw]

heh, i'm #1 related to you: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&safe=images&q=related%3Apurl.org%2Fnet%2Fsbp%2F

16:01:29 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

16:01:40 [AaronSw]

we must be friends, google wills it.

16:01:42 [sbp]

that may even deserve a pseudo-bwahaha

16:01:58 [AaronSw]

on the other hand, a distributed decentralized information storage and retrieval system is #1 related to me

16:01:59 [sbp]

:-)

16:02:04 [AaronSw]

weird

16:02:21 [sbp]

you have more interesting friends than I, clearly

16:02:23 [AaronSw]

i think that'd be freenet

16:02:41 [AaronSw]

your my first human relation

16:03:11 [sbp]

you won't be for much longer if you keep using "your" for "you're"

16:03:27 [AaronSw]

i'll just have to use "yer" for both

16:03:36 [sbp]

* sbp makes less sense than MacArthur park sometimes

16:03:50 [sbp]

yeah. I'm leaning towards y'all for second person plural

16:03:50 [AaronSw]

at least you don't start melting in the dark

16:03:58 [sbp]

heh, heh

16:04:14 [AaronSw]

google also says Plextor is related to me

16:04:26 [sbp]

Plextor? heh

16:04:35 [sbp]

sounds like a super-villain

16:04:35 [AaronSw]

and aolserver and userland.com

16:04:43 [sbp]

all fear the mighty plextor!

16:05:30 [AaronSw]

who should i talk to about letting google index c2 wiki?

16:06:12 [sbp]

probably Ward, or whoever runs the site nowadays

16:06:19 [sbp]

if it's a robots.txt exclusion...

16:06:24 [AaronSw]

right

16:07:19 [AaronSw]

Ward: "For example, someone might start a post by explaining that they don't mean to offend. I would remove such an introduction and then edit the remaining comment so that it simply does not offend."

16:07:37 [sbp]

heh, heh

16:08:03 [AaronSw]

ooh, ward is on AIM

16:08:29 [sbp]

cool

16:09:42 [sbp]

ugh, spangly arsed money guncher: my connection times out too quickly when downloading big files

16:10:02 [AaronSw]

ooh, ward's son is on (but not ward)

16:10:26 [AaronSw]

i guess i'll just send an email

16:10:44 [AaronSw]

ooh, ward bough a blip in the continuum

16:11:19 [sbp]

heh, then it disconnections me entirely

16:11:21 [sbp]

I'm back now, though, clearly

16:11:23 [sbp]

bough?

16:11:27 [sbp]

a loaf of bread, a jug of wine and thou?

16:11:29 [AaronSw]

err bought

16:11:43 [AaronSw]

Ward: "I'm in the mood to do something new. Wiki traffic is about 3x now what it was when it was last judged noise free. I'd like to find something that will take it to 30x or 300x. I've received many suggestions of things to add. Instead I'm looking for something to take out."

16:12:54 [sbp]

Hmm...

16:18:34 [AaronSw]

heh, #rdfig is sure interesting this morning

16:18:42 [sbp]

heh, heh. yeah

16:24:37 [sbp]

wow, William Barnes had quite a writing impediment (or accent)

16:26:09 [sbp]

ah, he wrote in to capture his local dialect

16:27:26 [sbp]

quite cool, acutually. I'd like to know where it came from and where it went

16:36:01 [AaronSw]

What are we hoping for for #swhac?

16:36:04 [AaronSw]

err #swhack

16:36:10 [sbp]

pardon?

16:36:53 [sbp]

we're hoping for cool bits of reflective poetry, like: Dickinson was a conjouress / of words and their rhythm / she twisted words that didn't fit / and thusly them rhyme

16:38:44 [AaronSw]

I'm looking for a reasonable group of people for interesting discussion and feedback on a wide variety of topics.

16:38:44 [Seth]

Seth (~seth@12-230-243-179.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack

16:39:10 [sbp]

er... O.K.

16:39:13 [AaronSw]

13   Below the raïn-wet bough, my love,

16:39:14 [AaronSw]

14       Where you did never come,

16:39:14 [AaronSw]

15   An' I don't grieve to miss ye now,

16:39:14 [AaronSw]

16       As I do grieve at hwome.

16:39:20 [AaronSw]

at least i think i am

16:39:33 [AaronSw]

maybe it's more zen than that

16:40:06 [sbp]

I think so

16:40:31 [sbp]

a swhack is the sound of a hollow sun dappled dingle

16:40:38 [AaronSw]

it's like a reflecting well. a place i dump my thoughts and then listen to what comes back

16:41:45 [sbp]

a festival of whimsy and the occasional bit of sludge

16:42:29 [sbp]

I think that if you start analyzing swhack too much, you'll go nuts

16:42:40 [sbp]

it's just an IRC channel with some wacky people

16:42:45 [AaronSw]

I think I've already gone nuts...

16:42:48 [sbp]

and bots

16:42:56 [sbp]

heh, heh

16:43:11 [xena]

xena has left #swhack

16:43:13 [xena]

xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack

16:43:20 [sbp]

it's fun though. I was thinking about it the other day: swhack is by now a serious part of the last year or so

16:43:30 [AaronSw]

a serious part?

16:43:42 [sbp]

yeah. if it went, I'd miss it dearly

16:44:09 [sbp]

and by "went", I mean that the balance somehow changed unfavourably

16:44:18 [sbp]

because all things are in a state of transition

16:44:38 [sbp]

* sbp has to get the phone

16:44:59 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: reflections on 9 months of swhackiness

16:45:23 [AaronSw]

Yes, I'm always worried about that. Probably too much.

16:47:09 [sbp]

* sbp returns

16:47:22 [sbp]

well, it's an interesting topic, and one that I have more thoughts on...

16:47:34 [sbp]

...but I have to go and get tea, watch The Simpsons, and be generally lazy now

16:47:51 [sbp]

it's that time again!

16:47:53 [AaronSw]

:-)

16:47:58 [sbp]

.google "it's that man again"

16:47:59 [AaronSw]

you can reflect more when you get back

16:47:59 [xena]

"it's that man again": http://www.zip.com.au/~korman/almanac/goodnews.html

16:48:07 [sbp]

just try and stop me :-)

16:48:13 [sbp]

Gotta run

16:51:04 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: reflections on nine months of swhackiness

16:51:12 [AaronSw]

ronmos

16:55:49 [AaronSw]

it's a living room of friends

17:03:30 [AaronSw]

...flashback sequence...

17:03:35 [AaronSw]

heh, remember the time Morbus left

17:05:48 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw reads the first day of logs

17:06:00 [AaronSw]

heh, xWebL. I think that failed because we were both document nitpickers

17:09:49 [AaronSw]

all these youngins with their splutch and their respawn

17:10:30 [AaronSw]

in mah day, if we wanted to have a good time we'd paste a google query

17:11:02 [AaronSw]

hmph, i really should be working on my talk

17:45:46 [jillium]

* jillium appears and chuckles in delight.

17:47:27 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw re-reads the PSA not to sign things from stangers

17:47:50 [AaronSw]

only sign their hashes

17:47:53 [AaronSw]

hey jillium :)

17:48:24 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gets out interviewer microphone

17:48:30 [AaronSw]

"What does #swhack mean to YOU?"

17:48:39 [jillium]

I was about to ask whom you were interviewing.

17:48:45 [jillium]

But I think I know now.

17:48:55 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves microphone around wildly

17:48:57 [jillium]

Lemme grab a glass of water and lose one of the sweaty shirts I am wearing.

17:50:10 [xena]

Swhack has a good grasp of the technical issues and challenges the industry faces. It's been around the industry long enough to qualify as an observer; at the same time it is still close to the things that really matter to developers. This is an important perspective that often gets lost in other discussion and commentary. This experience also gives it a perspective that is tempered by experience

17:50:10 [xena]

but not out of touch.

17:53:04 [AaronSw]

Thanks, xena.

17:53:07 [jillium]

xena: You're speaking of swhack as an entity, where I see it as a looser collective entity.

17:53:30 [jillium]

* jillium has spent very little time on #swhack and doesn't thing her opinions count for much for that reason.

17:53:37 [deltab]

I'm so glad you didn't mistype that

17:53:48 [jillium]

deltab: HA!

17:53:49 [AaronSw]

mistype what?

17:53:53 [jillium]

"looser"?

17:54:02 [deltab]

yeah :-)

17:54:03 [AaronSw]

heh... i was wondering about that

17:54:06 [jillium]

hee.

17:54:12 [xena]

Swhack integrates the collective options into a middleware solution for end-to-end decision making!

17:54:15 [jillium]

I don't confuse "loose" and "lose"

17:54:36 [jillium]

xena just failed the Turing test. She started to sound like a marketer, not a human being.

17:54:45 [jillium]

Oops, did I say that out loud?

17:54:54 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw giggles

17:55:19 [jillium]

To be serious for a moment, I used to work at a company that had excellent engineering and no marketing, and I hope never ever to do that again.

17:55:35 [AaronSw]

hm

17:55:46 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw dashes off to grab lunch. be right back

17:55:53 [jillium]

mmmmm....lunch.....

17:56:47 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw reappears

17:56:54 [AaronSw]

coined a new word: displaylative

17:56:57 [AaronSw]

.google displaylative

17:56:58 [xena]

no results found.

18:01:38 [jillium]

what does it mean?

18:02:39 [AaronSw]

something like excessively designed to look good...

18:06:27 [AaronSw]

hm. what's with the triangle page numbers in appliec cryptography?

18:06:50 [jillium]

* jillium looks. Hmm, never noticed those.

18:15:57 [jillium]

* jillium fills out her tax forms.

18:16:22 [AaronSw]

heh, reminds me of wmf's joke

18:16:29 [jillium]

?

18:16:47 [AaronSw]

tav: what happened to all the rich content?

18:16:47 [AaronSw]

wmf: taxes. the content isn't rich anymore

18:17:54 [AaronSw]

perhaps that's less funny if you have to pick taxes

18:22:19 [AaronSw]

hm, isn't RSA subject to frequency analysis?

18:22:30 [AaronSw]

i guess the primes are so big that it doesn't matter...

18:23:34 [AaronSw]

heh, i joined #crypto on a whim and it exists

18:23:36 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> Wow, OPN has everything.

18:23:42 [AaronSw]

<mutex> actually it's pretty devoid of lame people ;-) ... for the most part

18:27:08 [jillium]

* jillium decides to listen to

18:27:12 [jillium]

Elvis while doing taxes.

18:30:18 [jillium]

"It's noooow or never!

18:30:20 [jillium]

"

18:35:50 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gets dragged away for a game of Command and Conquer

19:14:42 [sbp]

ooh, C&C

19:14:44 [sbp]

* sbp waves

19:15:58 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is back

19:16:12 [sbp]

* sbp meditates on the location of swhack-nature

19:16:49 [jillium]

* jillium is doing her taxes and listening to THE KING!

19:16:55 [jillium]

* jillium boogies.

19:17:15 [sbp]

* sbp is listening to Jelly Roll

19:17:22 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw listens to Kid A

19:24:53 [sbp]

Aaron, in all seriousness, does a dog have swhack-nature?

19:25:08 [AaronSw]

oh dear, I wasn't prepared for this

19:25:13 [jillium]

What about a toaster?

19:36:56 [AaronSw]

hm, we need an audiogalaxy replacement

19:37:03 [sbp]

yes...

19:37:25 [sbp]

I tried some of the others, but they suck

19:41:58 [AaronSw]

maybe we can pay them off to remove the filters

19:42:09 [AaronSw]

"we'll pay double what the RIAA is paying!"

19:42:18 [sbp]

heh

19:43:12 [sbp]

man, Maxwell House must have been around for years

19:45:24 [AaronSw]

a chord network sorted by musicbrianz id would be interesting

19:45:59 [sbp]

who are the brians? :-)

19:46:07 [AaronSw]

heh

19:46:17 [AaronSw]

a chord network sorted by musicbrainz id would be interesting

19:56:11 [sbp]

Gotta run

20:57:33 [sbp]

* sbp waves

20:57:43 [jillium]

hey, sbp.

20:58:11 [sbp]

jillll!

20:58:40 [sbp]

* sbp decides that having jill in the channel is a good thing - gives me someone to chat to when Morby and Aaron aren't around :-)

20:59:07 [jillium]

* jillium bows her head for a moment of silence for t3rmin4t0r's backup situation.

20:59:24 [jillium]

sbp: Well, I make a good fallback. I'm a good fallback date, too.

20:59:24 [sbp]

[OLM]

21:00:39 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw gives up on thinking of fallback backup jokes

21:01:08 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw goes back to writing "Interlude I: The Sad Story of Ralph Merkle"

21:02:09 [sbp]

he as patents?! argh! :-)

21:02:30 [sbp]

Hmm... with Diffe and Hellman

21:02:38 [sbp]

s/Diffe/Diffie/

21:06:15 [jillium]

* jillium goes to make a phone call to the UK.

21:07:04 [sbp]

* sbp takes his phones off the hook

21:07:14 [sbp]

that'll fox her!

21:07:36 [jillium]

* jillium listens to the busy signal.

21:07:54 [jillium]

Damn.

21:08:08 [sbp]

don't we have a cool engaged signal, though?

21:08:31 [jillium]

i don't know it. <sulk>

21:17:14 [AaronSw]

anyone want to do a secure coin flip?

21:17:25 [jillium]

whee!

21:17:33 [jillium]

sure. Why?

21:17:44 [AaronSw]

just for fun

21:17:53 [sbp]

let's do this thang

21:17:58 [AaronSw]

I'm writing it up and I realized I've never done one before.

21:17:58 [jillium]

let's fuck this cat!

21:18:19 [AaronSw]

ok, we need to agree on a hash function

21:18:23 [jillium]

Oh, wait, I just promised I would go...<shudder>...buy a new phone.

21:18:30 [jillium]

How long will the coin toss take?

21:18:44 [AaronSw]

it's pretty quick

21:18:48 [jillium]

* jillium stays.

21:18:48 [AaronSw]

you just need to hash a number

21:18:49 [sbp]

how long does a toss take?

21:18:58 [AaronSw]

do we all have access to sha1?

21:18:58 [jillium]

* jillium laughs. sbp, read scrollback, dear.

21:19:21 [sbp]

sha1? what's that? I know little of this "sha1" of which you speak

21:19:26 [jillium]

jill@kata:jill$ which sha1

21:19:27 [jillium]

/bin/sha1

21:19:30 [sbp]

sha-1, OTOH... that's a different matter

21:19:31 [AaronSw]

in python: import sha; sha.new(x).hexdigest()

21:19:45 [sbp]

oh, puhleez

21:19:55 [AaronSw]

ok, 47ecb1f0cfe2705236effaa24b0c51f4467a92c1 even or odd?

21:20:00 [AaronSw]

jillium, go first

21:20:03 [jillium]

even!

21:20:12 [jillium]

wait, am I hashing it?

21:20:14 [AaronSw]

aww, you won! it was 5757452474

21:20:17 [jillium]

or guessing?

21:20:21 [AaronSw]

just guessing

21:20:24 [jillium]

ohhhh, I see.

21:20:29 [jillium]

You just showed me the hash.

21:20:29 [AaronSw]

you can verify you won by hasing 5757452474

21:20:36 [AaronSw]

right

21:20:49 [sbp]

* sbp quickly hashes all numbers up to a billion

21:20:55 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw tries to think of an odd number that hashes to 47ecb1f0cfe2705236effaa24b0c51f4467a92c1

21:21:13 [AaronSw]

whee, that was fun.

21:21:20 [jillium]

Bah.

21:21:24 [jillium]

integer overflow.

21:21:56 [AaronSw]

ok sbp, your turn. even or odd? d7d5ffa2738b1b4a77b29b7d75de21a47f7407a6

21:22:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw whistles, notes he picked a number bigger than 1 billion

21:22:59 [jillium]

Well, that was more fun than a barrel of rabid monkeys! But there is one thing I don't like. Aaron can still play headgames, trying to psych out whether we'll pick even or odd.

21:23:10 [jillium]

AaronSw: oooh, deliciously evil!

21:23:29 [AaronSw]

ooh, yeah, the old psych-out trick

21:23:49 [jillium]

This is why in a real coin toss the caller calls it while the coin is in the air.

21:23:51 [AaronSw]

i could also try and read the sha1 spec to find out how to generate another number that hased to that...

21:23:56 [jillium]

So the outcome is not yet determined.

21:24:10 [jillium]

* jillium is unsatisfied with that bit of this protocol.

21:24:18 [AaronSw]

Got a better suggestion?

21:24:31 [AaronSw]

call it while my random number generator is running, perhaps? ;)

21:24:32 [sbp]

sorry, got cut off...

21:24:34 [sbp]

er... even

21:24:46 [jillium]

Oh, sbp, that's so three minutes ago.

21:24:53 [AaronSw]

whoo, i win! it was 587415674412554415454411531

21:24:58 [sbp]

fuckit

21:25:06 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw grabs sbp's wallet

21:25:30 [jillium]

sbp: did you see my objection? I'm trying to think of a way around it.

21:25:51 [AaronSw]

jillium, one way is to flip a coin on your side for even/odd

21:25:59 [jillium]

Oh, that's good!

21:26:00 [AaronSw]

Does that resolve things?

21:26:05 [jillium]

Let's try it. :-)

21:26:21 [sbp]

coin?

21:26:22 [sbp]

alright

21:26:25 [jillium]

Is it acceptable if I use a Canadian coin?

21:26:39 [AaronSw]

I think that's allowed. Just as long as it isn't a Euro coin

21:26:41 [jillium]

and should the Queen be even or odd?

21:26:53 [sbp]

she's so even

21:26:56 [AaronSw]

the Queen always gets even

21:27:07 [jillium]

* jillium coos at the cute bears on the back of the twonie.

21:27:26 [jillium]

And there are three bears, which are an odd number.

21:27:39 [AaronSw]

I always thought it was twoney... or tooney.

21:27:40 [jillium]

But there's one Queen, and that's an odd number too.

21:27:44 [AaronSw]

the name is pure genius, tho

21:27:44 [jillium]

tooney, I think.

21:27:57 [AaronSw]

ok, 65142b1202b5115ae85d1917f67038a4c74006f0 even or odd?

21:27:59 [jillium]

Have you heard that another proposed name was "mooney?"

21:27:59 [sbp]

but she has a crown. that's two things, which is even

21:28:05 [sbp]

odd

21:28:10 [AaronSw]

mooney! heh!

21:28:11 [jillium]

* jillium flips.

21:28:21 [jillium]

bears!

21:28:26 [jillium]

um, i mean odd.

21:28:38 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Join us in the swhack toss-a-thon!

21:28:39 [AaronSw]

aw, you won again! it was 53677431108078993422779056521

21:28:44 [jillium]

ROWR!

21:28:49 [jillium]

* jillium rules the world!

21:28:56 [sbp]

er, me too

21:29:08 [AaronSw]

someone else should pick the number this time

21:29:10 [jillium]

* jillium lets sbp stand next to her on the victory podium.

21:29:22 [sbp]

nah. just gimme the champers

21:29:24 [jillium]

But did you hear the rationale behind the name "mooney"?

21:29:32 [AaronSw]

no, what was it?

21:29:39 [jillium]

It's the Queen with a bear behind.

21:30:00 [AaronSw]

i had a feeling it'd be something like that...

21:30:06 [jillium]

* jillium grins, thinking of the Canadian who told her that.

21:30:43 [AaronSw]

Hm, Merkle is VP at Foresight

21:31:00 [AaronSw]

jillium, wanna pick the number this time? I think you're spying on me

21:31:04 [jillium]

Ooh, a Britishism I don't know, what fun! sbp, what are champers?

21:31:13 [jillium]

Sure, but let me make sure i can hash first.

21:31:14 [sbp]

champagne?

21:31:19 [jillium]

aha.

21:31:22 [sbp]

do you have that drink in America?

21:31:22 [jillium]

That wasn't so difficult.

21:31:26 [jillium]

* jillium kicks sbp.

21:31:28 [AaronSw]

we do indeed

21:31:44 [AaronSw]

jillium, what's the hash of 'champers' (w/o quotes)

21:32:00 [jillium]

jill@kata:jill$ echo champers | /bin/sha1

21:32:00 [jillium]

7dcf58885dab44de680877f642a789fc3b42b731

21:32:00 [sbp]

* sbp has to bork IDLE

21:32:24 [AaronSw]

oh, echo is throwing an extra newline in

21:32:25 [sbp]

getting it to hash that many numbers was so not a good idea

21:32:32 [sbp]

do echo -e

21:32:34 [sbp]

or something

21:32:39 [jillium]

jill@kata:jill$ echo -n champers | /bin/sha1

21:32:39 [jillium]

ba95425cd77922e2638c2426562add02622725f6

21:32:46 [AaronSw]

yep

21:32:55 [jillium]

very well, then. Grab your coin!

21:33:21 [AaronSw]

a pringles can lid will have to do...

21:33:27 [AaronSw]

top is heads

21:33:37 [jillium]

8ee867c09c51dbad936cb76a291c8bb2a8bb7ea4

21:33:38 [AaronSw]

err, even

21:33:40 [jillium]

queen or bear?

21:33:43 [sbp]

odd

21:33:46 [sbp]

bear!

21:33:48 [AaronSw]

even

21:33:53 [jillium]

* jillium senses a zero-sum game!

21:33:53 [AaronSw]

queen

21:33:54 [sbp]

(Actually, lion)

21:34:16 [jillium]

Oh, wait, now I have to figure out what number I used...

21:34:25 [AaronSw]

heh

21:34:34 [jillium]

it was echo -n 6198768904890234789478937980134598706242 | /bin/sha1

21:34:49 [jillium]

So it was queen!

21:34:58 [AaronSw]

whoo

21:35:03 [AaronSw]

i knew she was spying

21:35:13 [sbp]

do you two live together?

21:35:15 [jillium]

Oh, bugger. sbp, which of the countries that makes up the UK is represented by the lion?

21:35:15 [redmonk]

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21:35:30 [AaronSw]

hey redmonk

21:35:37 [AaronSw]

we're doing secure digital coin flips

21:35:47 [sbp]

Scotland, I think

21:35:47 [AaronSw]

with jillium and sbp

21:36:03 [jillium]

hmm

21:36:21 [jillium]

And even I am happy with the protocol now.

21:36:38 [AaronSw]

Cool. I should have used this on the telecon the other day.

21:36:38 [jillium]

AaronSw: I used the twooney to decide whether to make it odd or even.

21:36:46 [jillium]

er, tooney.

21:36:47 [AaronSw]

Neat.

21:36:57 [jillium]

or howEVER it's spelled.

21:37:28 [deltab]

England and Scotland

21:37:35 [sbp]

9496e6761f29827aaf1cc4f8ad02afddc3a96a19

21:37:35 [jillium]

both lions?

21:37:39 [deltab]

http://www.fotw.ca/flags/gb-eng.html

21:37:40 [jillium]

* jillium flips.

21:37:48 [jillium]

bears!

21:38:04 [deltab]

http://www.fotw.ca/flags/gb-sc-rb.html

21:38:08 [sbp]

Aaron? rm? deltab?

21:38:19 [AaronSw]

um, odd

21:38:25 [AaronSw]

i should probably go back to my writeup

21:38:26 [jillium]

* jillium wins AGAIN!

21:38:49 [sbp]

yes, you did...

21:38:56 [AaronSw]

wait, how did she know?

21:38:58 [sbp]

* sbp wonders how she knew that in advance. oh well

21:39:02 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw smells something fishy

21:39:06 [sbp]

ew

21:39:38 [jillium]

Oh, wait, it was sbp's number. And when AaronSw said "um, odd" I thought...<blush>

21:39:51 [jillium]

* jillium heads in to the committee room for additional drug testing.

21:39:52 [sbp]

875387 if you want to check

21:40:19 [jillium]

woo, it worked.

21:40:32 [sbp]

as Python will attest:-

21:40:33 [sbp]

>>> for x in xrange(1000000):

21:40:33 [sbp]

h[sha.new(`x`).hexdigest()] = `x`

21:40:33 [sbp]

>>> h['9496e6761f29827aaf1cc4f8ad02afddc3a96a19']

21:40:33 [sbp]

'875387'

21:40:33 [sbp]

>>>

21:40:43 [jillium]

jill@kata:jill$ echo -n 875387 | /bin/sha1

21:40:43 [jillium]

9496e6761f29827aaf1cc4f8ad02afddc3a96a19

21:40:47 [jillium]

openbsd agrees.

21:41:10 [jillium]

Hey, wait a minute. I'm supposed to be buying a phone.

21:41:13 [jillium]

* jillium sighs.

21:41:22 [AaronSw]

Try not to hash it.

21:41:23 [sbp]

yeah. go buy a phone, and a cup of coffee

21:41:36 [sbp]

try not to make a hash of it, rather?

21:41:41 [AaronSw]

Whatever.

21:41:44 [sbp]

:-)

21:41:55 [jillium]

* jillium phones sbp just to be annoying.

21:42:08 [AaronSw]

Heh.

21:42:12 [sbp]

go ahead: I'm *so* using the line by writing to you here

21:42:25 [jillium]

oh, so I could hear the famous engaged signal!

21:42:30 [sbp]

heh, heh

21:42:44 [sbp]

pff, doesn't want to talk to me. only cares about that hussey of an engaged tone

21:43:08 [jillium]

* jillium dials.

21:44:00 [sbp]

beep, beep, beep, beep, beep...

21:44:58 [jillium]

uh-oh. which number is it?

21:45:16 [jillium]

the one ending in 700?

21:45:17 [sbp]

I dunno. you dialed it

21:45:23 [sbp]

heh, heh. yep

21:46:21 [sbp]

I remember when I phoned Aaron once. I was like, "Hi", and Aaron was like, "hey there". that was it

21:46:30 [jillium]

"please check the number and try your call again."

21:46:36 [sbp]

Pff

21:46:41 [jillium]

is the 0 at the beginning real?

21:46:45 [AaronSw]

Hey... we said other things... after a long pause

21:46:51 [sbp]

the 0: nope

21:46:56 [sbp]

+44 1...

21:47:06 [jillium]

actually 01144 1...

21:47:16 [sbp]

well, y'know what I mean (yeah, yeah)

21:47:22 [jillium]

But I have to dial 20 digits to get to that point.

21:47:38 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks for people to inflict his crypto talk upon.

21:47:41 [AaronSw]

Be back later.

21:47:43 [jillium]

actually, 21, including the "what language I want to speak" digit.

21:47:44 [sbp]

it's a wonder your finger didn't wear out

21:47:49 [sbp]

poor Ben/Noah

21:47:53 [jillium]

* jillium dials with a stump.

21:48:24 [sbp]

ooh, 946399 has a cool hash

21:48:48 [jillium]

It gave me a US busy signal.

21:49:00 [sbp]

Hmm... perhaps I emigrated

21:49:27 [jillium]

That seems the most likely explanation.

21:49:53 [sbp]

you're lucky I didn't get cut off, y'know :-)

21:50:13 [jillium]

_I_ am lucky? I think you might be misplacing the luck.

21:50:32 [sbp]

no chance of that

21:51:10 [jillium]

* jillium accidentally gets into the French system.

21:51:14 [sbp]

whilst my phone manner is utterly delightful, it has been said that I am an acute bore

21:52:00 [jillium]

* jillium accidentally phones a random person.

21:52:05 [sbp]

heh, heh

21:52:19 [jillium]

i thought your line was busy?

21:52:22 [sbp]

it is

21:52:46 [sbp]

if it were not, then I could not be typing this to you now :-)

21:53:01 [jillium]

so I would have discovered for myself your delightful phone manner.

21:53:33 [jillium]

eek

21:53:36 [jillium]

* jillium gets a ring.

21:53:51 [sbp]

heh, you must have dialled incorrectly

21:54:52 [deltab]

yeah. wrong numbers are never engaged

21:55:05 [sbp]

heh, heh

21:55:51 [jillium]

* jillium is on the phone now.

21:56:28 [sbp]

with whom? a similar numbered counterpart?

22:01:43 [sbp]

I'll bet she's conversing with that engaged signal again

22:01:58 [sbp]

\topic get engaged! ring sbp

22:02:45 [sbp]

actually, the toss-a-thon is over, so I do need to find a suitable replacement...

22:04:02 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Home of crypto talk authors, and people with delightful phone manners

22:04:51 [redmonk]

hi again

22:04:56 [sbp]

hello there

22:05:01 [redmonk]

hi sbp

22:05:05 [redmonk]

jillzilla!

22:05:11 [redmonk]

hi aaron

22:05:27 [redmonk]

* redmonk thinks jillzilla should always be spelled with a "!"

22:05:28 [sbp]

actually, she's under the guise of jillium at the moment

22:05:36 [sbp]

!illzilla?

22:06:00 [sbp]

* sbp makes the same mistake, though

22:06:07 [sbp]

"jillzilla" is just a cooler nick

22:06:56 [deltab]

does adding "zilla" make anything cooler?

22:07:03 [deltab]

seanzilla

22:07:11 [deltab]

hmm

22:07:39 [sbp]

clearly not

22:08:37 [sbp]

-bert is another matter, though

22:08:39 [sbp]

jillbert!

22:08:51 [redmonk]

hehe

22:10:36 [sbp]

* sbp assumes that jillbert is off buying her phone after all

22:37:08 [sbp]

* sbp plays Columbia, Oasis

22:37:35 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: "Shall I Trust These Men, And Not This Man?" - Columbia

22:37:54 [sbp]

[not from the song, BTW]

22:40:59 [sbp]

.google Branle

22:40:59 [xena]

Branle: http://www.streetswing.com/histmain/z3branl1.htm

22:41:57 [bitsko]

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22:42:14 [sbp]

hey Ken

22:42:17 [bitsko]

hey

22:44:21 [bitsko]

just an interesting piece of trivia ;)

22:44:27 [sbp]

[OLM]

22:47:42 [sbp]

Hmm... I should release n3s tonight

22:48:18 [sbp]

the documentation is still a bit sparse, though...

22:48:33 [bitsko]

n3s?

22:48:56 [sbp]

yep

22:48:57 [sbp]

a Notation3 preprocessor/editor

22:49:34 [AaronSw]

howdy

22:49:47 [AaronSw]

talk went reasonably well... looks like i don't have time to cover knapsack

22:49:50 [AaronSw]

ooh, bitsko!

22:50:01 [bitsko]

so has anybody created a PEP (Py proposal) for n3 syntax yet? ;)

22:50:38 [sbp]

don't think so

22:50:47 [sbp]

although it's not all that infeasible

22:51:52 [bitsko]

ooh, that reminds me: has anything firmed up on URI to namespace/localname mapping? is it possible to convert from URI to ns/ln and back again losslessly?

22:52:14 [sbp]

no

22:52:47 [sbp]

* sbp plays Go Let It Out. Great song

22:52:53 [bitsko]

is it still an open issue? does it belong to TAG or some other group?

22:52:58 [sbp]

nope

22:53:05 [AaronSw]

why would n3 syntax be in a PEP?

22:53:12 [bitsko]

literals in source

22:53:17 [sbp]

it's impossible to roundtrip in current RDF, and that's it. End of discussion

22:53:20 [AaronSw]

i thought the tag took it up

22:53:21 [deltab]

is it being integrated into Python?

22:53:29 [AaronSw]

literals in source?

22:53:42 [sbp]

well, the QName issue is still rampant, of course

22:53:45 [wmf]

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22:53:49 [wmf]

swhack!

22:53:51 [AaronSw]

wmf!

22:53:59 [AaronSw]

it's a wmf-bitsko reunion party!

22:54:00 [bitsko]

literal triples in python source

22:54:10 [wmf]

hey bitsko

22:54:12 [bitsko]

for whatever reasy

22:54:15 [bitsko]

hey wes

22:54:16 [AaronSw]

ah, right.

22:57:14 [bitsko]

re. the roundtripping between URI and qname, part of that question comes from deciding how to represent the URI/qname internally in a language, where you can use them for names of attributes or methods

22:57:44 [AaronSw]

I think DanC is still trying to convince people of concatenation...

22:57:47 [bitsko]

in Py, I used a tuple of NS/lname, which worked beautifully, but isn't so RDF friendly

22:58:19 [AaronSw]

ah, yep: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6

22:58:34 [bitsko]

concatenation is fine, as long as somewhere it says that the lname is the last component of the URI. if concatenation doesn't require or imply a '/' or '#', that's the problem

22:59:11 [bitsko]

(I know I talking to people who know more about this than me, so pretend like that's a request for confirmation ;)

22:59:21 [AaronSw]

why's it a problem? you just grab the alst character and use that as a localname

22:59:54 [bitsko]

huh?

23:00:13 [bitsko]

yes, that item on the issues list sounds right on the mark

23:00:37 [AaronSw]

foo:bar -> foo.org/bar -> ns1:r (foo.org/ba, r)

23:04:49 [bitsko]

thought that's what you meant. sure, that makes a "legal" qname if you are, say, serializing some data structure, but it's not very useful in general use

23:05:24 [AaronSw]

and ns1:bar is better?

23:06:21 [bitsko]

when I'm typing in n3 or python? yes. or is that not what you meant?

23:06:53 [AaronSw]

hm, i guess i don't follow your "not very useful in general use" comment. what more do you want?

23:07:49 [bitsko]

I want reversability. if in my py code I store to an attribute ns1:bar, and then serialize that structure, I for sure want the serialization to be some-prefix:bar too

23:08:15 [sbp]

good implementations will do that

23:08:23 [bitsko]

not if it's "simply

23:08:31 [sbp]

heh?

23:08:40 [sbp]

s/e/u/

23:08:50 [AaronSw]

ah. right. so keep a qname=firstpart mapping and then do matches on that

23:09:21 [AaronSw]

ugh. i mean foo->http://foo.org/ kind of thing, i forget the right terms

23:09:25 [bitsko]

" concatenation. as Aaron's saying, if one writes to ns1:bar and it gets serialized some-funky-namespace:r, that's not a good thing, I would think

23:09:38 [wmf]

uh oh, my pismo isn't charging

23:09:51 [AaronSw]

are you part of the ac adapter recall?

23:10:07 [sbp]

right, so you keep a list of the mappings, as Aaron said. that's an implementation issue

23:10:23 [AaronSw]

recall: http://www.apple.com/adapterexchange/

23:11:08 [bitsko]

well, it may be an implementation issue, but it seems it would be one that everybody would have to agree to or there wouldn't be compatibility!

23:11:24 [bitsko]

thus raising to the level of standard, not merely implementation

23:12:08 [AaronSw]

i don't see the incompatibility. want to chat about it in #rdfig?

23:12:11 [wmf]

AaronSw: no, I have the UFO adaptor

23:12:18 [bitsko]

maybe I'm overconcerned, and URIs *should* be write-only

23:12:19 [AaronSw]

ah, the yo-yo

23:12:34 [AaronSw]

did you break the cord part? that happened to me

23:12:39 [wmf]

but I think I broke the plug just now

23:12:47 [AaronSw]

i wound it too tight and severed the connection from the plug to the cord

23:12:56 [AaronSw]

you could see thru the clear cord to see it was broken

23:13:08 [wmf]

uh oh, I see sparks

23:13:13 [AaronSw]

and i saw sparks

23:13:16 [bitsko]

hmm, a side benefit to see-through cords!

23:13:25 [AaronSw]

apparently i wasn't the only one because the new ones have reinforced edges

23:13:43 [wmf]

I only have 39 minutes left!

23:13:57 [AaronSw]

your life will end in 39 minutes. what will you do next?

23:14:17 [sbp]

be reincarnated as a rat

23:14:20 [AaronSw]

quick, i'll email you some electricity

23:14:39 [AaronSw]

.seen jillium

23:14:46 [AaronSw]

must be a long phone call

23:15:11 [sbp]

indeed

23:15:18 [deltab]

RFC3251-compliantly?

23:15:31 [bitsko]

on a completely different subject, if anyone remembers the ULTra PRT that was discussed on /. a couple of times last month, a US company in Texas has just put up their first 45ft of guideway for testing of their system.

23:15:40 [sbp]

deltab: heh!

23:16:16 [sbp]

cool pre-requisites

23:16:19 [AaronSw]

I wonder if Apple has a 3251-implementation

23:17:01 [deltab]

that'd be great: "There's no step 2!"

23:17:15 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw laughs very loudly

23:17:31 [AaronSw]

and with airport? there's no step 1!

23:17:39 [bitsko]

wmf: re. HDTV on your Friday item, our local Time Warner has 2 HBO, 2 Showtime, and the local CBS channel in HDTV

23:17:42 [deltab]

ahaha

23:17:44 [AaronSw]

they'd have to rename it teslaport

23:17:54 [deltab]

yay

23:18:28 [wmf]

ok, duct tape has been applied

23:18:48 [AaronSw]

is it working again?

23:18:54 [wmf]

nope

23:19:16 [AaronSw]

Tom Ridge has upgraded the situation to code red

23:19:24 [wmf]

34 minutes

23:19:28 [bitsko]

sbp: is AN3 only what you have documented on that page, or is it defined elsewhere?

23:19:45 [AaronSw]

and what does AN3 stand for anyway

23:19:54 [wmf]

Fry's is open until 7

23:19:59 [bitsko]

Abbreviated

23:20:05 [AaronSw]

can you get there in 34 minutes, tho?

23:20:14 [wmf]

sure, it's 6 minutes away

23:20:14 [AaronSw]

sbp, keyowrd?

23:20:19 [deltab]

it says on the page :-)

23:20:21 [AaronSw]

quick, run!

23:21:00 [wmf]

wmf has quit ("grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr")

23:21:05 [sbp]

* sbp cross RFC 1149 with RFC 3251, and ends up with Electricity via. Avian Carrier

23:21:13 [jillium]

* jillium reappears.

23:21:14 [bitsko]

http://infomesh.net/2002/n3s/n3s.txt 404: Not Found

23:21:18 [AaronSw]

long phonecall, eh?

23:21:20 [jillium]

Sounds like zapping flying birds.

23:21:24 [jillium]

Long phone call!

23:21:32 [sbp]

gah, what is it with people and their abuse of # today?

23:21:35 [AaronSw]

electricity over phone

23:21:49 [AaronSw]

heh

23:22:07 [AaronSw]

we randomly guessed that you said <sbp> # for anyone that cares: http://infomesh.net/2002/n3s/

23:22:14 [AaronSw]

and redistributed it to those who care (log readers)

23:22:15 [sbp]

heh. thanks

23:22:29 [deltab]

AaronSw: http://hiob.fanfiles.net/sonst/killer.jpg

23:22:44 [AaronSw]

* [deleted] does the Happy Good Phone Call dance.

23:22:58 [AaronSw]

heh! @ killer.jph

23:23:00 [AaronSw]

err jpg

23:24:52 [sbp]

s/cross/crosses/

23:25:00 [sbp]

(in the action way back when)

23:25:18 [bitsko]

sbp: I'm not getting it about how it guesses prefixes, what's it doing there?

23:25:38 [deltab]

maybe it has a list of well-known prefixes

23:25:39 [sbp]

it has a big list of them stored internally

23:25:42 [bitsko]

n'er mind

23:25:50 [sbp]

I actually did a survey of the most commonly used prefixes on my HD

23:26:19 [sbp]

* sbp has megs and megs of N3

23:27:17 [AaronSw]

but he's not come up with a solution for world peace yet

23:27:29 [sbp]

well, I tried cwm *.n3...

23:27:38 [sbp]

but there were syntax errors! ugh

23:27:51 [AaronSw]

ick

23:28:06 [sbp]

can you imagine feeding c.15MB of N3 into CWM and getting it to --think? heh

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23:28:14 [AaronSw]

heh

23:28:32 [AaronSw]

do you have the results of the prefix survey up? i assume you did something like grep "@prefix" *.n3 | sort -u

23:29:04 [sbp]

no I wrote a Python program to regexp, sort, and count them properly

23:29:11 [sbp]

just a small thing

23:29:20 [AaronSw]

404 http://infomesh.net/2002/n3s/n3s.txt

23:29:25 [sbp]

I know! argh!

23:29:40 [AaronSw]

well, upload it already!

23:29:53 [sbp]

I haven't put it up yet. When you distribute a single half-baked file to people in confidence, you don't expect to have to put in all the linked files

23:30:04 [sbp]

make me

23:30:30 [sbp]

I haven't even made the binary yet. still debugging

23:30:47 [sbp]

well, testing. the debugging stopped ages ago, so perhaps it passes

23:30:55 [deltab]

for some months I've thought that n3 could do with an @alias directive

23:31:05 [deltab]

@alias a rdfs:type

23:31:14 [deltab]

@alias => log:implies

23:31:40 [sbp]

sounds good

23:31:59 [deltab]

I didn't want to interrupt the discussion the other day

23:32:01 [sbp]

well, except that allowing => would mean tokenizing everything...

23:32:18 [sbp]

you'd hardly have been "interrupting" with an apt and important point!

23:32:41 [sbp]

I think that :-, =, and => are shoddy, in all honesty

23:32:51 [bitsko]

does n3s have it's own new n3 parser? I'd heard... things... about the cwm n3 parser.

23:32:55 [sbp]

:- should be is, = should be eq, and => should be implies

23:33:09 [sbp]

yep, it has a tokenizer

23:33:20 [AaronSw]

but not a parser

23:33:27 [AaronSw]

bitsko, have you looked at the yapps-based parser?

23:33:29 [AaronSw]

it's nicer

23:33:39 [AaronSw]

i actually think sbp should have built on that...

23:33:40 [sbp]

well, that's a parser, of sorts. But not a processor. Define both

23:33:50 [AaronSw]

For extra credit, write both

23:34:09 [sbp]

nah, I don't like the Yapps stuff when Python has a perfectly good regexp facility

23:34:21 [sbp]

plus it's an extra dependency

23:34:26 [sbp]

too much baggage

23:34:32 [AaronSw]

ugh: <tag:n3s.infomesh.net,2002-04-13:a917184b23711176b#> -- it was so good until the #

23:34:33 [bitsko]

yes, I just recently was playing with Py parsers. got almost a half-done implementation of a gpic->Wiki/Py/SVG thingy done when I found that MoinMoin already has a GUI graphics editor

23:34:36 [sbp]

s/when/as/

23:34:44 [sbp]

until the #: heh, heh

23:34:52 [bitsko]

heh

23:34:53 [sbp]

I did that so that CWM would break it nicely

23:35:30 [bitsko]

some things are nicer

23:36:01 [bitsko]

nah, I wasn't particularly concerned that it got lost

23:36:25 [sbp]

bitsko talks to himself...

23:36:53 [AaronSw]

"Pretty prints the output, removing comments and other useless material"

23:36:57 [AaronSw]

comments aren't useless!

23:37:04 [sbp]

ah, but they should be in RDF

23:37:13 [sbp]

lots of good data being hidden

23:37:14 [deltab]

useless to the program

23:37:17 [AaronSw]

hmph

23:37:27 [sbp]

* sbp ^5's deltab

23:37:48 [deltab]

doesn't mean they shouldn't be converted into other fromats

23:37:59 [AaronSw]

what about stuff like # @@fix this

23:38:16 [bitsko]

* bitsko thinks gpic for a Wiki would be bliss. should probably just finish it ;)

23:38:25 [sbp]

* sbp should write a triples annotation thing

23:38:35 [sbp]

* sbp probably won't do, though

23:39:03 [AaronSw]

hm? "rdf:type :gunge blargh ."

23:39:14 [AaronSw]

why doesn't blargh have a : ?

23:39:32 [AaronSw]

and keyowrd is still mispeled

23:40:02 [AaronSw]

i used to think everyone should spell mispeled, but then i realize it wouldn't be mispelled if that happened

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23:41:54 [AaronSw]

HELLO ASH

23:41:58 [Ash]

hey, did our friend neo85 ever come back?

23:42:02 [AaronSw]

nope :(

23:42:03 [Ash]

HELLO AARONSW HOW R U TODAY

23:42:06 [Ash]

aww

23:42:08 [Ash]

that sucks :-(

23:42:11 [sbp]

blargh is a keyword

23:42:14 [Ash]

maybe he broke his computer

23:42:17 [Ash]

ehehe

23:42:18 [AaronSw]

WMF AND I ARE HAX0RING PLANETS

23:42:32 [deltab]

haha

23:42:32 [sbp]

.http://infomesh.net/2002/apr-test.n3

23:42:33 [Ash]

OH SWEET, TEH PLANAT HAXORING!@$

23:42:33 [xena]

@keyword a, this, blargh . @use gunge, blargh . @use a, some . @prefix default . @prefix : . a gunge blargh . some great this . wonderful a some . some a blargh . ?x ?y ?z .

23:42:47 [AaronSw]

oh. /me reads up on @use

23:43:38 [AaronSw]

and seems you forgot to quote here: "$ n3s -s '@prefix default . Sean likes TV'"

23:45:33 [sbp]

oops

23:45:36 [AaronSw]

i think "$ n3s -p" will be a useful friend

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23:46:48 [deltab]

why the unusual option letters?

23:47:01 [sbp]

which ones are unusual?

23:47:21 [bitsko]

while I'm mumbling to myself, does anyone know of anything like gpic available anywhere? gpic is like TeX math mode, but for graphics, like 'box "N3"; arrow; box "XML"'

23:47:23 [deltab]

usually - to read from stdin

23:47:27 [sbp]

p: pipe; u: URI; s: string; t: tokenize; d: debug; i: input

23:47:34 [deltab]

-f or nothing before filenames

23:47:42 [AaronSw]

bitsko, sounds like graphviz

23:47:56 [sbp]

right... I've always used -p for pipe, for some reason. Just a quirk

23:48:06 [deltab]

-c or nothing before code in an arg

23:49:08 [sbp]

well, the code's easy enough to modify :-)

23:49:57 [sbp]

ta da: http://infomesh.net/2002/n3s/n3s.txt

23:53:07 [sbp]

the .tar.gz of the binary is also available

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23:55:54 [bitsko]

wow. graphviz is pic on steroids. thx

23:57:42 [AaronSw]

np

23:57:43 [AaronSw]

aargh, n3s puts spaces around my po pairs

23:57:50 [AaronSw]

i think we need a --bijam

23:57:53 [AaronSw]

err bijan

23:57:59 [sbp]

of course. it would be much more difficult to take them out

23:58:12 [sbp]

it just does ' '.join(tokens) basically

23:58:21 [sbp]

after removing the space before ; and around ()

23:58:41 [AaronSw]

it could do the same with []

23:58:46 [sbp]

it could

23:58:49 [AaronSw]

and .

23:58:52 [AaronSw]

and {}

23:59:08 [sbp]

but why would it do a silly thing like that? I wrote it so that I'd use it, don't forget

23:59:17 [wmf]

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23:59:30 [wmf]

ok, I found a Wallstreet AC adaptor

23:59:54 [AaronSw]

phew