IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-13

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00:00:00 [sbp]
things get less attention when released on a weekend :-)
00:01:02 [AaronSw]
maybe you could run an NDAed beta test
00:01:29 [sbp]
?
00:01:41 [AaronSw]
just to get out all the bugs
00:02:12 [sbp]
.acronym NDA
00:02:13 [xena]
NDA: New Drug Application (to the FDA), Non-Disclosure Agreement, National Dance Association, National Day of Action, National Defence Academy (military training school in India), National Defense Academy, National Defense Act (Canada), National Defense Area, National Democratic Alliance (group of political parties in India), National Diploma of Agriculture (UK), National Distribution Authority,
00:02:13 [xena]
Natural Disaster Assistance, Network Design Activity, New Dimensional Applications (SAP), Night Duty Allowance (on overtime forms), Nissan Design America (La Jolla, CA), Non-Data-Aided, Non-Destructive Analysis, Non-Destructive Assay
00:02:23 [AaronSw]
Non-Disclosure-Agreement
00:02:29 [sbp]
that's what I thought you meant
00:02:38 [sbp]
I still don't know what you mean :-)
00:03:08 [AaronSw]
get a bunch of betatesters, make them sign a document agreeing they won't talk about the product except in glowing vague terms, and then fix all the bugs they find
00:03:14 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:03:32 [AaronSw]
then release the NDA so that they all say the best thing about your product and link to those quotes from your website. file a press release or two
00:03:34 [AaronSw]
you know, the usual
00:03:46 [sbp]
yep, the usual routine
00:04:12 [sbp]
your point about going crazy for coverage notwithstanding, I'm waiting till Monday :-)
00:04:46 [sbp]
it'll give me a chance to test it... I'm sure that there'll be a weird little bug in there somewhere
00:05:02 [AaronSw]
heh, i love this photo: http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/school/IMG_0949.JPG/view
00:05:08 [AaronSw]
well, not the photo but the thing it's of
00:05:58 [sbp]
ooh, that's quite brilliant
00:06:05 [AaronSw]
I wonder who wrote it.
00:06:16 [sbp]
shame about the missing/hidden l
00:06:23 [AaronSw]
the nearby tiles say something like BUCK, but i can't really see it.
00:06:28 [AaronSw]
the l is there, just look harder
00:06:37 [sbp]
are you sure it's a B?
00:06:47 [AaronSw]
not entirely ;)
00:06:53 [AaronSw]
but it seems pretty likely
00:07:21 [sbp]
the problem is that they hated it so much, they made the letters too big
00:07:26 [sbp]
it's the margin-problem
00:07:45 [sbp]
but they'll be taught what to do. Our valiant educational system will step in and show them the way!
00:07:56 [sbp]
and demoralize and deeducate them at the same time...
00:08:03 [sbp]
but people must be taught to write neatly!
00:08:18 [AaronSw]
:-)
00:08:20 [sbp]
and it's worth breaking people's spirits for neat writing
00:08:34 [AaronSw]
most definitely
00:08:37 [sbp]
* sbp has flashbacks to handwriting classes
00:08:42 [AaronSw]
ugh
00:08:52 [sbp]
* sbp had awful handwriting; still does
00:09:00 [AaronSw]
probably not as bad as mine
00:09:31 [sbp]
it's bizzare. we'd have to write, and if the characters were slightly malformed, they'd say that you've done bad, and give you a poor mark. and make you write some more
00:10:10 [sbp]
the more I think about it, the sadder the whole thing seems
00:11:57 [AaronSw]
My 3rd grade teacher was very laissez-faire about the whole thing, and as a result I never learned (is the standard authority line)
00:13:03 [sbp]
Hmm... interesting. You get the odd pocket of pseudo-sanity
00:14:27 [AaronSw]
we had these little books, which had one example which you were supposed to trace once, and then attempt to copy about 20 times
00:14:35 [redmonk]
heh
00:14:37 [AaronSw]
(this was cursive)
00:14:45 [AaronSw]
the girls loved it, so they'd get way ahead in their books
00:14:48 [redmonk]
i was writing in eighth-inch block letters in thirds grade
00:14:49 [AaronSw]
but the boys never did any of it
00:14:57 [redmonk]
part of my architectural heritage i guess
00:15:18 [sbp]
heh, I'm not sure who had the wackier thread there
00:15:26 [AaronSw]
danbri smells
00:16:27 [redmonk]
well, i'm off boys. cya round, ahve fun, be safe, all that rot
00:16:56 [sbp]
heh, c'ya
00:17:05 [redmonk]
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00:17:07 [AaronSw]
ta
00:17:20 [sbp]
well, it's just us left standing again
00:17:28 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla appears and reads scrollback.
00:17:32 [sbp]
not that IRC has ... argh!
00:17:36 [AaronSw]
oh well, so much for that
00:17:38 [sbp]
where'd she come from?
00:17:44 [jillzilla]
Argh!
00:17:46 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla runs away.
00:17:51 [AaronSw]
heh heh
00:17:57 [sbp]
* sbp is reminded of the Lisa/Jasper thing
00:18:09 [AaronSw]
what's that?
00:18:26 [AaronSw]
oh, i thought that said lisp heh
00:18:34 [sbp]
Pff
00:19:50 [AaronSw]
Wow, I've 2 hours of MP3
00:20:02 [AaronSw]
making for 3GB
00:20:09 [sbp]
not too shabby
00:20:24 [AaronSw]
and i'm not really into this sort of thing
00:20:48 [sbp]
shyeeeaaaah, right!
00:21:29 [AaronSw]
i was listening to launch.yahoo.com the other day. it's pretty cool. just like ol' imagine radio
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00:21:52 [sbp]
hey Ben
00:21:56 [BenSw]
hi
00:23:37 [sbp]
argh, @use is taking precedence over @keyword. Dunno why, even
00:24:24 [sbp]
oops, got it
00:24:42 [sbp]
* sbp adds three spaces, and... done!
00:25:02 [sbp]
Hmm... I don't know what to do about making new keywords compatible
00:25:15 [sbp]
for example: @keyword x, y, z . x y z .
00:25:34 [sbp]
what on earth am I supposed to convert that into? I can't predict the future
00:27:30 [sbp]
perhaps I should just leave it in, i.e. convert it to { x y z . }
00:27:45 [sbp]
after all, if I can't make it backwards compatible, there's no use pretending
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00:29:20 [AaronSw]
c'ya all [EOW]
00:29:25 [sbp]
c'ya
00:29:28 [BenSw]
bye
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* BenSw tries to get Simpsons Studio to work
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00:33:08 [sbp]
heh, WTF?!:-
00:33:09 [sbp]
[[[
00:33:09 [sbp]
$ u n3splunge -s '@keyword x, y . @prefix default <#> . @use x, p <blargh#> . @prefix funge: <blargh#> . @use p, q <#> . x y z; p q .'
00:33:10 [sbp]
@prefix defaul: <#> .
00:33:10 [sbp]
x y <#z>;
00:33:10 [sbp]
defaul:p defaul:q .
00:33:11 [sbp]
]]]
00:33:42 [sbp]
actually, that is consistent
00:33:54 [sbp]
but I dunno where "defaul:" came from
00:36:49 [sbp]
aha:-
00:36:50 [sbp]
[[[
00:36:50 [sbp]
$ u n3splunge -s '@keyword x, y . @prefix default <#> . @use x, p <blargh#> . @prefix funge: <blargh#> . @use p, q <#> . x y z; p q .'
00:36:50 [sbp]
@prefix : <#> .
00:36:50 [sbp]
x y <#z>;
00:36:50 [sbp]
:p :q .
00:36:52 [sbp]
]]]
00:37:07 [sbp]
I was testing for the prefix "default" as a special case...
00:37:19 [sbp]
but I had copied a bit of code that chops the ":" from the end
00:37:29 [sbp]
so it was checking for defaul instead of default
00:38:22 [sbp]
Hmm... should I turn URI-refs into QNames where possible?
00:38:37 [sbp]
actually, it should do that...
00:38:57 [sbp]
Hmm... perhaps not
00:40:54 [sbp]
* sbp decides not to add it
00:42:15 [sbp]
argh, actually, it does have it to an extent
00:42:20 [sbp]
[[[
00:42:20 [sbp]
$ u n3splunge -s '@keyword x, y . @prefix default <blargh#> . @use x, p <blargh#> . @prefix : <#> . @use p, q <#> . x y :z; p q .'
00:42:20 [sbp]
@prefix : <#> .
00:42:20 [sbp]
x y :z;
00:42:20 [sbp]
:p :q .
00:42:21 [sbp]
]]]
00:43:03 [sbp]
since @use keywords are stored as QNames
00:43:35 [sbp]
then, when reassembling the keywords, I can look up the URI base namespace part
00:43:45 [sbp]
since I turn the prefix mappings inside out
00:45:08 [xoot]
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00:45:33 [xoot]
hello
00:46:10 [xoot]
anyone alive?
00:46:44 [xoot]
.acronym xoot
00:46:45 [xena]
xoot:
00:47:13 [xoot]
.acronym swhack
00:47:13 [xena]
swhack:
00:47:49 [xoot]
.acronym XENA
00:47:49 [xena]
XENA:
00:47:50 [deltab]
it's Semantic Web or SWartz or something
00:48:01 [sbp]
Semantic Web hack
00:48:10 [xoot]
heh
00:48:12 [deltab]
thought so
00:48:23 [xoot]
ever heard of AquaChat?
00:48:56 [xoot]
heh
00:49:06 [sbp]
Hmm... I still think that @keyword is a bit suspect - importing from a default N3 space
00:49:27 [deltab]
yeah
00:51:02 [xoot]
i'm trying to get developer perms for aquachat
00:51:14 [xoot]
they have this ugly icon.... I wanna fix it
00:52:01 [sbp]
Hmm... I resolve @use keywords to QNames, but not @prefix default? That's a bit silly...
00:52:04 [sbp]
* sbp goes to fix it
00:52:59 [xoot]
heh... when you try to do a /me, all that appears is:
00:53:15 [xoot]
ACTION goes to fix it
00:56:31 [sbp]
hooray:-
00:56:31 [sbp]
[[[
00:56:32 [sbp]
$ u n3splunge -s '@keyword x, y . @prefix default <blargh#> . @use x, p <blargh#> . @prefix : <#> . @prefix default <#> . @use p, q <#> . @keyword q . x y :z; p q; r x .'
00:56:32 [sbp]
@prefix : <#> .
00:56:32 [sbp]
x y :z;
00:56:32 [sbp]
:p q;
00:56:34 [sbp]
:r x .
00:56:36 [sbp]
]]]
01:03:20 [sbp]
* sbp sorts out a literal handling bug
01:04:11 [sbp]
let's try some real world data!
01:05:06 [sbp]
cool:-
01:05:07 [sbp]
[[[
01:05:07 [sbp]
$ u n3splunge -si=http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/doc.n3 ':x :y :z . s:label r:type r:Property'
01:05:08 [sbp]
@prefix : <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contacts.n3#> .
01:05:08 [sbp]
@prefix r: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
01:05:08 [sbp]
@prefix s: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#> .
01:05:09 [sbp]
:x :y :z .
01:05:11 [sbp]
s:label r:type r:Property .
01:05:13 [sbp]
]]]
01:07:32 [sbp]
cool, in the normal mode it makes for quite a good pretty-printer
01:11:03 [sbp]
Hmm... reducing prefix mapping where possible would be nice, but it makes for a lot of extra hacky code
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01:20:48 [sbp]
* sbp adds some mild validation capabilities
01:27:43 [sbp]
* sbp searches for other N3 extensions
01:34:25 [sbp]
Nothing that I want to implement
01:34:43 [sbp]
although x = math:sum$(:x :y :z) . is quite cool
01:34:53 [sbp]
from http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/N3Alternatives
01:38:15 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if @forsome was a kinda shorthand for @keyword forsome .
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02:10:30 [sbp]
Gotta run
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12:12:54 [sbp]
* sbp manages to speed up n3s a little bit
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13:05:00 [Guest49856]
sw - > short wave?
13:06:41 [deltab]
semantic web
13:07:23 [Guest49856]
o
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13:16:35 [sbp]
* sbp plays Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
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13:27:11 [sbp]
hey davb, rabataf
13:27:19 [rabataf]
hi
13:27:51 [rabataf]
oh, i thought sbp was a robot
13:28:05 [sbp]
then why did you reply?
13:28:12 [sbp]
* sbp plays all of LZIII
13:28:15 [rabataf]
politeness?
13:28:18 [sbp]
:-)
13:29:40 [rabataf]
i'd like to know this: what is swhack (?) compared to a wiki?
13:30:34 [sbp]
swhack is an IRC channel, and therefore not very comparable to a Wiki
13:30:36 [sbp]
unless you're talking about the Weblog
13:30:39 [sbp]
in which case, it's a bit more comparable to a Wiki - it lets us post items to it, but it doesn't let everyone edit it at will
13:30:56 [sbp]
Hmm... I guess we do abuse our bots a little in here, but then they cause us to. xena's always tacking those damn ?e=933 things on the end of URIs
13:31:23 [deltab]
that's what's left of google's click tracking
13:31:32 [sbp]
swhack stands for "Semantic Web hack dishwasher", BTW. The "d" got chopped off
13:31:42 [sbp]
right: tav's hack didn't get rid of it
13:32:13 [rabataf]
i got here by http://www.drop.org/node.php?id=839
13:32:35 [rabataf]
i know my wiki (meatball type), but how did i get here??
13:32:52 [sbp]
.http://www.drop.org/node.php?id=839
13:32:58 [rabataf]
i need the overview.
13:33:05 [sbp]
that URI seems to be down
13:33:19 [rabataf]
what do you mean?
13:33:23 [sbp]
well, the thing that it identifes, I mean
13:33:41 [sbp]
I mean: it's buggered. Naffed. Borked
13:33:51 [rabataf]
the google web api?
13:33:56 [sbp]
as xena should shortly report...
13:34:01 [sbp]
the drop.org URI
13:34:27 [rabataf]
oh...
13:34:51 [rabataf]
i gave it to [e]links, and it found sth.
13:35:34 [sbp]
er... come again?
13:35:48 [rabataf]
elinks, the browser (text only).
13:35:54 [sbp]
Hmm... Alexa can't reach it either
13:35:55 [sbp]
ah
13:36:20 [sbp]
aha: http://pasky.ji.cz/elinks/
13:36:22 [rabataf]
that node.php?id=839 worked for me (from germany).
13:36:30 [rabataf]
yes!
13:36:42 [rabataf]
you're a fast one :)
13:36:55 [deltab]
I'm not getting a response
13:37:03 [deltab]
even though I'm using Links :-)
13:37:21 [deltab]
could not connect
13:37:29 [deltab]
UK and US
13:38:09 [sbp]
the Google cache doesn't have it either
13:38:32 [rabataf]
wow
13:39:56 [rabataf]
so, isn't a semantic web about URI's in general and wiki's beeing a detail of it?
13:40:43 [sbp]
The Semantic Web is a kind of principle, of having machine readable data, with the consituent parts denoted by URIs (you're right about that). A Wiki is more of a collaborative HyperText environment; human readable information
13:40:50 [sbp]
however, I did write an RDFWiki somewhere
13:40:53 [sbp]
.google RDFWiki
13:40:54 [xena]
RDFWiki: http://infomesh.net/2001/rdfwiki/&e=922
13:40:57 [sbp]
argh
13:40:58 [sbp]
.google RDFWiki
13:40:59 [xena]
RDFWiki: http://infomesh.net/2001/rdfwiki
13:41:01 [sbp]
there
13:41:27 [sbp]
RDF 1.0 is the main language of the Semantic Web (at the moment)
13:41:58 [rabataf]
i see.
13:42:24 [rabataf]
why the `.' 's before google?
13:42:35 [deltab]
it's a command to xena
13:43:43 [rabataf]
xena? a robot??
13:43:51 [deltab]
yes
13:43:56 [deltab]
.status
13:43:57 [xena]
server(s):
13:43:58 [xena]
- irc.espnow.com:6667 - #esp, #esp-core, #espra, #google, #plex, #xenadev
13:43:59 [xena]
- stampede.org:6667 - #Freenet, #erights, #esp, #espra, #freenet, #infoAnarchy, #infoanarchy, #lojban, #mnet, #p2p-hackers, #plex, #rdfig, #sbp, #semplesh, #swhack, #validator, #world-relations, #zope, #zope3-dev
13:43:59 [rabataf]
cool invention!
13:44:00 [xena]
- irc.w3.org:6665 - #er
13:44:01 [xena]
module(s):
13:44:02 [xena]
- execute, espra-alert, inet, isotime, seen, dict, esp_chanmon, temperature, autojoin, relay
13:44:03 [xena]
- inet2
13:44:04 [xena]
command triggers: "['.']" - python triggers: "['.py', '.python']"
13:44:05 [xena]
base logfile: "/home/services/bots/xena/creature/creature.log"
13:44:06 [xena]
started: 2002/04/12 19:26:32 - uptime: 18 hr(s) 17 min(s) 32 sec(s)
13:44:41 [rabataf]
klasse! as germans would say.
13:44:57 [sbp]
heh
13:45:12 [rabataf]
i'm beginning to see the light, mr. palmer :)
13:45:23 [sbp]
marvellous
13:46:03 [rabataf]
do you know moin, the wiki in python?
13:47:43 [sbp]
yep
13:47:52 [sbp]
I know of it, that is
13:48:26 [sbp]
the RESTWiki uses Moin Moin, IIRC
13:48:31 [sbp]
.google RESTWiki
13:48:31 [xena]
RESTWiki: http://internet.conveyor.com/RESTwiki/moin.cgi/FrontPage
13:48:38 [sbp]
yep
13:52:26 [rabataf]
this channel is an incredible machination!
13:53:25 [sbp]
heh, it is quite cool, isn't it? :-)
13:53:39 [sbp]
just wait till I bring CygBot in...
13:53:44 [CygBot]
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13:53:58 [sbp]
$ python -c "print 'Hi there'"
13:54:01 [CygBot]
> Hi there
13:54:01 [CygBot]
> [end]
13:57:01 [rabataf]
$ python -c "import sys; print sys.path"
13:57:05 [CygBot]
> ['', '/usr/lib/python2.2', '/usr/lib/python2.2/plat-cygwin', '/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload', '/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages']
13:57:06 [CygBot]
> [end]
13:57:28 [sbp]
it's an IRC interface to my shell :-)
13:57:44 [rabataf]
everything python?
13:57:54 [sbp]
nope: any *nixy command line
13:58:07 [sbp]
$ wc blargh.txt
13:58:07 [rabataf]
did you ever think doing such things in ruby?
13:58:09 [CygBot]
> 1 6 20 blargh.txt
13:58:09 [CygBot]
> [end]
13:58:15 [rabataf]
:))
13:58:22 [sbp]
ruby: nah. I like Python too much
13:58:36 [rabataf]
scheme?
13:58:41 [sbp]
ugh
13:59:45 [sbp]
well, scheme is alright, but for an IRC bot?
13:59:58 [rabataf]
did you ever try to use https:// schemes in py-2.2?
14:00:08 [rabataf]
with my installation, this doesn't work.
14:00:10 [sbp]
Hmm... I can't say that I have, no
14:00:16 [sbp]
that's quite odd
14:00:25 [sbp]
do you have a test that I can run?
14:00:52 [rabataf]
the latest ipcheck.py from dyndns.org
14:01:04 [rabataf]
runs with 2.1, but not 2.2
14:01:10 [sbp]
what error do you get in 2.2?
14:01:27 [rabataf]
it just doesn't connect, it says:
14:01:38 [rabataf]
"empty line", but there isn't one there!
14:01:58 [rabataf]
stand bye....
14:02:42 [rabataf]
i remember now: it's the library!
14:03:06 [rabataf]
Kal Lin <kal@cs.toronto.edu> is responsible for the code,
14:03:20 [rabataf]
but he doesn't have too much time.
14:03:35 [sbp]
bummer. Perhaps you can make the changes yourself
14:03:36 [rabataf]
as i said, 2.1 runs it...
14:03:46 [sbp]
or just use 2.1 :-) that might be easier
14:03:54 [rabataf]
i dunno....with library stuff.
14:04:16 [rabataf]
yeah, i use 2.1 *if* i use python for it.
14:04:38 [rabataf]
ipcheck is very big if you have to go through proxies and routers, which i don't.
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14:05:01 [rabataf]
i thought so :)
14:05:05 [rabataf]
security!!
14:05:18 [sbp]
actually, CygBot is pretty secure, AFAIK
14:05:41 [sbp]
I'm just not using it, so I thought I'd recover the window :-)
14:05:49 [rabataf]
btw: rdfwiki, how come config is for m$?
14:06:24 [sbp]
um... because I use Windows, perhaps?
14:07:51 [rabataf]
perhaps you do :)
14:08:38 [sbp]
Occam's razor
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but note the shebang
14:12:45 [rabataf]
File "rdfwiki", line 67, in pdump
14:12:45 [rabataf]
pickle.dump(data,open(StoreFile,'wb'),1)
14:12:45 [rabataf]
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/local/wikipub/htdocs/rdfwiki/rdfwiki
14:12:46 [rabataf]
.pkl'
14:12:51 [rabataf]
??
14:13:00 [rabataf]
the query was:
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http://spotteswoode.dnsalias.org:8881/cgi-bin/rdfwiki?go=1
14:14:51 [rabataf]
sorry: got a typo there
14:14:59 [rabataf]
now it says:
14:15:13 [rabataf]
Your Wiki has been initialized!
14:15:36 [sbp]
great!
14:16:09 [sbp]
congratulations on being the third person other than myself (that I know of) to install it
14:16:19 [sbp]
actually, possibly the second
14:16:53 [rabataf]
:))
14:17:08 [rabataf]
what is "add triple to this node"?
14:18:52 [sbp]
I think it adds a triple with the current node as a subject
14:19:03 [rabataf]
come on!
14:19:13 [rabataf]
i need DOCUMENTATION!! :)
14:19:26 [sbp]
heh, heh
14:19:37 [rabataf]
i know i know: you got the source, what are you waiting for...
14:20:01 [sbp]
just fiddle with stuff and find out for yourself: much more fun that way! :-)
14:21:12 [sbp]
the RDFWiki is not all that impressive, I grant
14:21:23 [sbp]
but I was working on a more comprehensive version
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and then I got bored with it
14:21:33 [rabataf]
ok.
14:21:49 [rabataf]
just don't make your stuff apache-centric, that i hate!
14:21:58 [rabataf]
moinmoin is apache-centric,
14:22:02 [sbp]
aaah, Apache
14:22:06 [rabataf]
twiki is apache-centric....
14:22:14 [sbp]
why is RDFWiki Apache-centric?
14:22:22 [rabataf]
what run's right out-of-the-box is simple perl stuff,
14:22:29 [sbp]
Aaron got it running quite quickly, and that was on AOLServer, IIRC
14:22:32 [rabataf]
that needs only CGI.pm.
14:22:38 [sbp]
blargh
14:22:49 [rabataf]
AOLServer is really big.
14:22:56 [rabataf]
i have thttpd.
14:23:00 [rabataf]
or mathopd
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and i don't want to get bigger than that.
14:23:27 [rabataf]
it has to do with security
14:23:29 [sbp]
Hmm... small things
14:23:34 [rabataf]
and laziness on my part.
14:24:22 [sbp]
Apache certainly soaks up memory...
14:24:33 [sbp]
* sbp gets the thttpd port
14:24:44 [rabataf]
get the newest!
14:26:25 [rabataf]
mr. palmer, it has been a pleasure talking to an open-minded person like yourself.
14:26:39 [rabataf]
i gotta run, though...
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:-0
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s/:-0/:-)/
14:29:25 [sbp]
pleasant fellow
14:29:41 [sbp]
ugh, /.configure barfed:-
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[[[
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checking for gcc... gcc
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checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no
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configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.
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]]]
14:32:14 [sbp]
Hmm... http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2000-12/msg01016.html
14:33:35 [sbp]
that's not right, though
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* sbp is probably missing some file or something
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16:24:11 [Seth]
-
16:24:51 [sbp]
the comment syntax in here is "#", BTW :-)
16:25:11 [sbp]
just in case you start typing "[off]" by mistake...
16:27:34 [Seth]
sean, so how goes the battle?
16:28:02 [sbp]
not too bad, thanks
16:28:30 [sbp]
I was just writing a compresion program...
16:28:44 [sbp]
for small files (of around 500 bytes), it beats ZIP and tgz
16:28:49 [Seth]
well ive started coding in python, but im the slowest coder in all the world
16:28:50 [sbp]
but who wants to compress files that small?
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anyway, for larger files, it sucks
16:29:05 [sbp]
Python: I heard
16:29:45 [deltab]
how does it work?
16:30:16 [sbp]
ah, now that's a tale
16:30:23 [deltab]
oh
16:30:39 [sbp]
first, it uses a simplified ASCII table, since only about 90 characters are really necessary
16:30:56 [Seth]
ive gotten it all written in my mind, but it will take 100 years to chizzel it itto python code :(
16:30:57 [sbp]
then, it encodes the whole lot as one big number
16:31:05 [sbp]
and then converts it to base 255
16:31:09 [deltab]
ah, arithmetic coding?
16:31:15 [sbp]
yep
16:31:18 [deltab]
256, you mean?
16:31:30 [sbp]
well, I have to reserve a byte
16:31:37 [deltab]
ah
16:31:49 [deltab]
of course
16:35:39 [sbp]
* sbp should be writing up n3s, but you know what I'm like with documentation...
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hey
17:47:36 [sbp]
Hey there
17:47:43 [jillium]
hello, sbp.
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20:24:34 [sbp]
"20 years of schooling, and they put you on the dayshift" - Bob Dylan
21:35:27 [sbp]
quiet around here
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* sbp plays Cry Awhile
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wb
23:50:21 [sbp]
Bill Kirk cries, "it wasn't their fault that they employed me"
23:50:38 [sbp]
and the lonesome travelling elf in the corner sits pallete like in a harmonious green bubble
23:54:27 [sbp]
Funky Butt: Fo7 BbMaj(6) FMaj
23:56:26 [sbp]
you have to play Ab-A-Ab on the Fo7
23:56:42 [sbp]
and actually, dropping the F helps
23:57:07 [sbp]
after two rounds, you can substitute a GMaj
23:57:36 [sbp]
I can't quite recall the rising bit. from a C upwards, IIRC
23:58:16 [sbp]
the intro turnaround is a G-F progression into FMaj(V)
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so, open that window and let those chords fly out...