00:44:55 oh man, I should make more use of www-archive 01:05:40 Second conversion to maint7, internal work server. 01:08:51 hello, hello 01:19:30 Slight delay. Now restarting that test server. 01:24:31 tomch (~lambda@modem-734.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 01:26:11 @ http://google.blogspace.com/archives/000209 01:26:48 A: http://google.blogspace.com/archives/000209 from AaronSw 01:26:56 A:|SOAP Interface to Google? 01:27:13 titled item A 01:35:18 I guess I'm just very tired (since I seem to be coming across lots of things that I just don't get tonight), but what did you mean by "I guess it's OK, because you're good at telling the altruistic people from the people who claim to be altruistic..."? 01:35:27 bugger 01:35:38 that's it, I'm going to bed 01:35:49 feel free to run logedit 01:35:50 Heh. 01:35:55 c'ya 01:35:56 .time bst 01:35:56 Apr. 7, 2002 2:35 am GMT+1 01:36:01 get to switch the clocks tonight 01:36:12 should be fun... 01:36:17 c'ya 02:10:34 i looovee hashes in oklahoma i always blue or something wicked small how do sendmail-t or running it can't work sing dance. 02:10:37 radagast is some weird bot 02:13:41 tomch has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:08:58 hazmat (~chatzilla@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 03:13:17 hey there hazmat 03:13:36 hi AaronSw 03:14:43 i've been playing around with gentoo linux, its really nice. 03:15:07 what's special about it? 03:15:54 wow, ton of woody updates... really squashing those bugs... 03:16:22 it uses a package management system thats a bit of a hyrbrid between freebsd ports and debian's apt 03:16:30 interesting 03:16:31 which is written in python and shell script 03:16:50 what sort of apt features does it have? dependencies? 03:17:06 dependencies yes. 03:17:24 i haven't used debian so i couldn't really say how to compare it. 03:17:28 hm, ok. 03:17:37 i like the fink tradeoff between ports and apt 03:18:34 wow, 55 rc debian bugs... woody might come out after all ;) 03:18:46 actually, i have used debian distros (storm linux, and progeny) but i ended up wiping them... oddly enough both companies stopped shipping ;) 03:19:20 the debian install ends up driving me to use other distros. gentoo's install is fairly low level but is well documented. 03:19:54 Hm. I hear the new Progeny Graphical Installer (now part of Debian) is good. 03:20:04 I've become a Debian convert. 03:20:11 Heh, funny email header: 03:20:11 Organisation: Lacking 03:35:21 Wow, this is really clever 03:35:22 @ http://innominate.org/projects/tinydyndns/ 03:36:12 B: http://innominate.org/projects/tinydyndns/ from AaronSw 03:36:36 B:|tinydyndns - simple pop before dyndns service using djbdns 03:36:52 titled item B 03:37:17 B::An extremely clever dynamicdns solution. I'm going to see if I can get this to work with qmail to make a pop-before-smtp solution. 03:37:33 commented item B 03:48:28 B::Oh, cool, I just found [relay-ctrl|http://untroubled.org/relay-ctrl/] ([Debian package|http://packages.debian.org/relay-ctrl]), a tool to do Courier-IMAP-before-qmail -- just what I needed! 03:48:44 commented item B 03:50:09 hmm, odd way of describing it 03:50:22 Courier-IMAP-before-qmail, you mean? 03:50:28 yeah 03:50:45 you mean IMAP-before-SMTP 03:50:56 I was going to say that, but it only works with courier and qmail 03:51:01 (I think...) 03:51:14 oh, and qmail-pop3d 04:07:54 [Global Notice] Hi all. Looks like our first cutover to the latest code is going to be Europe. Wallops and notices to users on each individual server will keep track of the conversions. Expect some netsplits and joins. Apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for using OPN! 04:14:03 First server will be a European server directly connected to US hubbing 04:16:55 into the normal European server list now....next server follows in a few moments 04:19:40 Another normal European server in just a moment. 04:20:54 Another European server follows. 04:21:51 One more European server follows. 04:22:58 One more European leaf follows. 04:24:38 One more European leaf. 04:26:23 This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. These messages contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. To turn them off, turn off user mode 'w'. On most clients: '/mode -w'. Thanks. 04:27:36 [Global Notice] Hi all. Our primary European hubbing is now going to be restarted. This will affect all of Europe and should take a bit longer to recover. Please bear with us. 04:31:11 [Global Notice] Hi all. OPN's European leaf and hub nodes have all been converted. Users in Europe will notice that they once again receive errors when directing private messages no nonexistent nicks. Various other problems have been corrected. Next scheduled upgrades will be around 8am OPN time (UTC). Thanks for your patience. 04:39:03 * AaronSw hacks relay-ctrl to do irc-before-smtp 04:39:40 cool 04:42:28 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:43:14 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:43:15 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:43:21 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:46:46 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:47:09 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:47:14 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:47:28 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:47:32 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:47:35 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:47:46 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:47:47 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:48:13 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:48:13 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:53:16 [Global Notice] Hi all. Just a reminder. In roughly 4 hours we'll be restarting the US servers and main hubs to upgrade to resolve a few remaining problems. Expect some service disruption at that time. Thanks. 04:58:04 .dns blogspace.com 04:58:05 blogspace.com - 216.75.92.90 04:58:14 smtprelay 216.75.92.90 04:58:54 woo, it works! 05:00:09 B::Cool, I've hacked one of the bots in here to let me do irc-before-smtp using relay-ctrl. That should be good enough for now. 05:00:31 commented item B 05:01:46 at least i didn't create a whole new bot for it ;) 05:19:19 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 05:22:52 * AaronSw finds spamassassin false positive, ups threshold to 6 05:25:15 GabeW is now known as EvilDJ 05:30:03 I'm making a list of interesting content from the Aaron Media Empire, let me know if you can think of anything... 05:30:12 trying to consolidate notabug.com, logicerror.com and blogspace.com 05:51:13 Ok, it's up at http://notabug.com/ 05:57:22 EvilDJ is now known as GabeW 05:59:35 Hm, I wonder why sbp commented out the swhack weblog on his homepage 05:59:59 heh, so many great things in his comments! 06:00:01

And don't forget the first rule of writing a homepage, which is: 06:00:01 never use the word "fuck" on your homepage.

06:09:17 ok, blogspace.com pointing at notabug.com now 06:34:44 gnu.org supports lang-neg: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw 06:38:31 cool, i'm on the 6.171 site: Tuesday, April 23: personalization chapter exercises due; maybe a lecture by Aaron Swartz on semantic Web 06:38:31 * 06:54:29 eikeon, would you mind taping the lecture if you come? 06:59:51 jeremiah (~chatzilla@ip68-10-5-132.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #swhack 06:59:54 hello 07:00:03 so we meet again 07:00:05 * jeremiah likes that we run this on the same sever as semplesh 07:00:18 yeah, me too :0 07:00:40 alright well I'm getting awfully damn tired right about now 07:00:56 I should find something innovative to do with my time 07:01:22 hm, maybe you could bottle it up and sell it... 07:01:40 yeah 07:01:48 maybe I should read up on all this RDF stuff 07:01:52 all you kids are talking about 07:02:00 Hi 07:02:02 heh. RDF: All the cool kids are doing it 07:02:06 hi eikeon 07:02:11 hi eikeon 07:02:19 still planning on coming to the mit talk? 07:02:20 so that goes on my list of stuff to read about and master 07:02:33 rdf, xslt, xsl, svg 07:02:36 You caught me when I was reading the channel ;) 07:02:41 Sure. 07:02:50 Cool, thanks. 07:02:55 xsl and xslt are pretty much the same, no? 07:03:03 xsl is the stylesheet 07:03:04 xslt is part of xsl 07:03:11 xslt is the transformation language 07:03:13 or SOMETHING 07:03:21 xslt isn't worth mastering, IMO. 07:03:21 * jeremiah is hopeless 07:03:29 XSL-FOs are just weird, and also not worth mastering 07:03:38 what does FO mean? 07:03:45 Formatting Object 07:03:49 ah 07:03:52 well 07:04:03 I still have this dream of replacing HTML with OPML 07:04:05 in the future 07:04:12 eeeeeeeeeeeew! 07:04:16 [off] I'm dave's little bitch 07:04:25 [off] indeed. you're sick ;) 07:04:35 now what would be interesting 07:04:45 is to write a search engine 07:05:08 which searches heirarchial things like outlines 07:05:58 aaron: I just realized I DO bottle up my time and sell it 07:06:02 everyone does 07:06:12 who do you sell it to? 07:06:22 clients 07:06:40 linux journal has gone downhill 07:06:51 or: my needs have surpassed linux 07:10:19 w3c websites are surprisingly nice to read 07:10:27 I should model my page after their's 07:11:08 g'nite all 07:11:13 g'nite eikeon 07:11:16 goodnight 07:12:46 .google semanticWeb-long 07:12:47 semanticWeb-long: http://logicerror.com/semanticWeb-long&e=921 07:13:09 So this is an intro to the Semantic Web: http://logicerror.com/semanticWeb-long 07:13:18 And this is the Semantic Web for Web Developers 07:13:20 http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/outline 07:13:26 it's a rough outline of my MIT talk 07:13:35 and may not make so much sense 07:13:48 hmm ok 07:14:41 too be read in the morning 07:14:44 goodnight 07:14:47 g'nite 07:24:22 AaronSw has changed the topic to: and his tears fall and burn the garden green 07:26:02 AaronSw has changed the topic to: castles made of sand melts into the sea, eventually 07:29:03 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 07:51:19 * AaronSw heads to sleep 09:43:04 [Global Notice] Hi all. We found a buglet in the new code in KLINE processing and will be back up on the old code in Europe momentarily. 09:48:08 * sbp waves 09:48:09 cool topic 09:50:24 lol @ the comments 09:50:31 (05:59:59) 09:51:34 bwahahahaha! 09:51:34 07:04:16 [off] I'm dave's little bitch 09:51:35 07:04:25 [off] indeed. you're sick ;) 09:51:46 didya forget the channel, guys? :-) 09:52:37 Hmm... that was just a couple of hours ago 09:54:51 megacool: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-swartz-rdfcore-rdfxml-mediatype-00 09:55:48 [Global Notice] Hi all. Please bear with us as we diagnose and resolve this latest problem. Coder is online looking at it now. 09:56:29 * sbp wonders what problem that is 09:58:25 * sbp joins #openprojects 09:59:50 huge netsplits in other channels. Problems with the code... 10:00:13 [Global Notice] Hi all. If you just came in, we're diagnosing a problem with both old and new code that the upgrade has exposed. Please bear with us. Thanks. 10:01:55 Hmm... why did I comment it out? 10:02:09 Oh, right: when blogspace went down, checklinks was just hanging on it 10:03:15 (i.e. the swhack links on my homepage) 10:07:27 [Global Notice] Further detail on WALLOPS (/umode +w, /mode +w, etc) 10:07:54 So it looks as if this problem is not at all related to the conversion. A problem KLINE was propagated and is working its way through the European servers. 10:08:26 Fortunately asuffield was looking at it last night and has some idea what is going on. Equally fortunately we are already working through an upgrade process. 10:22:11 Restarting a utility server. 10:33:48 [Global Notice] Hi all. We have the issue resolved and will finish the conversion. We're going to restart the core servers and the main hubbing, which will be pretty painful, then we'll do Europe, then Australia. Please bear with us and expect fairly massive service interruption. We'll come out of it with some more bug issues resolved. Thanks. 10:34:55 US servers going next.... 10:35:35 One main rotation server. 10:35:55 jeremiah has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:35:55 hazmat has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:35:55 AaronSw has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:35:55 deus_x has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:35:55 eikeon has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:35:55 deltab has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:35:55 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 10:36:10 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:38:50 Another main rotation server. 10:38:56 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 10:41:09 logster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 10:41:09 topic is: castles made of sand melts into the sea, eventually 10:41:09 Users on #swhack: logster Ash tansaku AaronSw deus_x deltab +walloper +xena sbp +loggy +chumpster 10:42:16 Another main rotation server follows. 10:42:57 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 10:43:06 logster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 10:43:06 Users on #swhack: logster 10:43:06 *** Notice -- TS for #swhack changed from 1018176186 to 1017613160 10:43:06 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:43:06 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:43:06 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:43:06 deus_x (~deusx@bgp995433bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 10:43:06 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 10:43:06 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:43:06 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 10:43:06 zelazny.openprojects.net has changed the topic to: castles made of sand melts into the sea, eventually 10:43:37 tansaku (~sam@n146-044.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 10:43:39 Ash (~aaron@166.70.121.2) has joined #swhack 10:44:03 chumpster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 10:46:40 Another main rotation server in a moment, I think the last one. Then the main hub, which should be mondo disruptive. 10:47:12 Ash has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:47:12 tansaku has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:47:12 deus_x has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:47:12 xena has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:47:12 sbp has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:47:12 deltab has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:47:41 deus_x (~deusx@bgp995433bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 10:47:53 tansaku (~sam@n146-044.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 10:47:59 Ash (~aaron@166.70.121.2) has joined #swhack 10:47:59 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:48:25 Main hubbing next. 10:48:55 [Global Notice] Main hubbing will now be converted. Please hold on tight. 10:49:00 sbp has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:49:00 Ash has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:49:00 deus_x has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:49:00 tansaku has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:49:00 chumpster has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:49:00 AaronSw has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:49:00 loggy has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:49:00 walloper has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:49:37 deus_x (~deusx@bgp995433bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 10:49:42 tansaku (~sam@n146-044.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 10:49:42 chumpster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 10:49:42 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:49:42 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:49:42 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:50:00 Ash (~aaron@166.70.121.2) has joined #swhack 10:50:00 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:53:14 [Global Notice] The main rotation and hubbing are all back up on new code. There will be some smaller conversions for the next few minutes. Thanks for your patience and thank you for using OPN! :) 10:55:54 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 10:57:37 chumpster has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:03:40 Doing a few miscellaneous US servers now. 11:07:29 Two more EU servers to complete. 11:09:07 [Global Notice] Hi all. We're going to do NZ and AU next. I'll post one more notice when the servers are all done. 11:10:39 AU hubbing conversion in process. 11:11:02 NZ in process. 11:12:06 * sbp manages to put some lyrics to the song that he was writing last night 11:13:47 Going for the Australian leaf nodes now. 11:16:23 [Global Notice] Okay, looks like everything is converted successfully. Thanks for your patience. 11:19:28 chumpster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 11:23:56 Gotta run 11:41:22 xena has quit (Remote closed the connection) 11:44:04 * sbp returns 12:43:13 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:02:48 * sbp plays "Better Than Anything" 13:20:18 "head to toe, healthy wealthy and often wise" 14:05:58 tansaku (~sam@n146-044.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 14:15:02 ! 14:33:01 * sbp searches the inner reaches of his hard drive, and find some good old songs etc. 14:53:45 hi 14:56:14 ag's new filtering really sucks. i wonder if you can pay them to get around it 15:05:36 RoyF on using mailto: for mailboxes: "Wishful thinking is not interoperable." 15:09:15 Hm, IE uses mailtos on forms 15:09:25 or lets you use, rather 15:10:55 this is great: http://www.xent.com/aug00/0576.html 15:11:23 i love how apache lets you take off extensions now: http://www.xent.com/aug00/0576 15:52:19 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 16:38:05 Apache has let you take off extensions for years 16:39:22 by default? 16:39:25 I don't think so... 16:40:02 worked for me when I installed it early last year 16:40:58 compare: http://static2.userland.com/index and http://static2.userland.com/index.html 16:43:53 heh, nice use of your CGI script on www-tag 16:44:37 dunno - perhaps it's just the Win version. Perhaps I configured it. Perhaps they turned it off 16:45:26 no, they must have flipped the switch sometime before you downloaded 16:45:52 or redhat keeps shipping old versions 16:46:03 it must have been quite a while ago then 16:46:13 redhat: heh, possibly 16:46:24 they have a, ahem, tendency to do that 16:46:30 anyway, I'd better be going 16:46:31 c'ya 16:46:34 [cough] gcc [/cough] 16:46:36 where you off to? 16:46:44 DST started today, you have an extra hour! 16:47:10 * AaronSw emails sbp his extra hour... 16:47:28 argh, stupid @home filters won't let me upload it.. 17:46:39 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 18:58:50 Ugh, Sunday Times broke their links. 18:59:05 I put up my article at http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/teenagerInAMillion 19:00:24 wow, the new Simpsons was phenomenal 19:00:26 Artie: What's it like being married to Marge? 19:00:28 Homer: It's like being married to my best friend - and he lets me feel his boobs 19:00:30 good stuff 19:00:36 and the new Futurama was pretty good, too 19:03:05 hey sbp 19:05:11 nice interesting hash stuff 19:05:14 * sbp goes through it 19:05:34 Heh, I love these notes from the IETF Applications Area: http://larry.masinter.net/apps-wg-chairs-980827/ 19:06:04 heh! 19:06:18 "The IETF Applications Area chairs sometimes have boring meetings, as evidenced by everyone's doodles." 19:06:28 those are some neat doodles. Like mandalas 19:06:53 wow, some guy likes stars 19:07:01 (or gal) 19:07:25 AaronSw has changed the topic to: uris made of hash melts into the plesh, eventually 19:07:57 .google spin mendle bobilate 19:08:04 heh, heh, heh 19:08:12 someone must have been into phenomics... 19:08:16 > Your search - spin mendle bobilate - did not match any documents 19:08:41 "spin mendle bobilate" could become the next squeamish ossifrage 19:16:05 Galahad (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 19:16:29 Galahad is now known as xena` 19:17:29 xena` is now known as xena 19:22:51 .google Semantic Web mushrooms 19:22:51 Semantic Web mushrooms: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp 19:22:52 .google mad, cyber cow milking, hippy mormon 19:22:52 mad, cyber cow milking, hippy mormon: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2001May/0008.html 19:22:55 .google Semantic Apple whipped up "insanity once again" 19:22:55 Semantic Apple whipped up "insanity once again": http://www.aaronsw.com 19:23:01 we rock 19:25:08 heh that won't last long 19:25:20 I refactored aaronsw.com, notabug.com and logicerror.com last night 19:26:15 what are you going to defenestrate your current designs? 19:26:21 s/what/when/ 19:26:57 what's wrong with the designs? 19:27:14 (other than that i stole them from you) do you have better ones? 19:27:36 Hmm... perhaps I misinterpreted what you meant by "refactored" 19:27:43 I see you've already whipped swhack from your homepage 19:27:45 .wn refactor 19:28:00 it's not even a word! [shock horror] 19:28:03 I whipped the swhack duplication, there's still a link 19:28:11 several, probably 19:28:12 well... 19:28:42 there's nothing wrong with the design at all; I like it. I just thought you had yet another change in store. We do change our pages quite often, y'know 19:28:51 (I think I've liked every evolution) 19:29:02 Cool. I stole your homepage design for notabug.com 19:29:07 and pointed blogspace at notabug.com 19:29:19 I guess I should update logicerror's design a bit. 19:29:31 heh, so you did. Cool 19:29:42 one less domain to worry about :) 19:30:34 mysterylights.com expired a while ago - I didn't even notice. I was like three days over the deadline for renewing 19:30:44 well, OTOH I can't have been 19:30:50 since it got renewed somehow :-) 19:31:02 [by the swift sending of money to the registrar] 19:31:24 can you imagine if it had gone down? 19:31:35 You're the third person I know to do that in the past few weeks, I believe. 19:31:40 heh, heh 19:31:53 McCusker forgot about treedragon.com, sandro lost taguri.org 19:31:57 persistent domains, pleeease! come on ICANN 19:32:03