IRC log of swhack on 2002-04-07

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:44:55 [sbp]
oh man, I should make more use of www-archive
01:05:40 [walloper]
<lilo> Second conversion to maint7, internal work server.
01:08:51 [AaronSw]
hello, hello
01:19:30 [walloper]
<lilo> Slight delay. Now restarting that test server.
01:24:31 [tomch]
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01:26:11 [AaronSw]
@ http://google.blogspace.com/archives/000209
01:26:48 [chumpster]
A: http://google.blogspace.com/archives/000209 from AaronSw
01:26:56 [AaronSw]
A:|SOAP Interface to Google?
01:27:13 [chumpster]
titled item A
01:35:18 [sbp]
I guess I'm just very tired (since I seem to be coming across lots of things that I just don't get tonight), but what did you mean by "I guess it's OK, because you're good at telling the altruistic people from the people who claim to be altruistic..."?
01:35:27 [sbp]
bugger
01:35:38 [sbp]
that's it, I'm going to bed
01:35:49 [sbp]
feel free to run logedit
01:35:50 [AaronSw]
Heh.
01:35:55 [sbp]
c'ya
01:35:56 [AaronSw]
.time bst
01:35:56 [xena]
Apr. 7, 2002 2:35 am GMT+1
01:36:01 [AaronSw]
get to switch the clocks tonight
01:36:12 [AaronSw]
should be fun...
01:36:17 [AaronSw]
c'ya
02:10:34 [AaronSw]
<radagast> i looovee hashes in oklahoma i always blue or something wicked small how do sendmail-t or running it can't work sing dance.
02:10:37 [AaronSw]
radagast is some weird bot
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03:13:17 [AaronSw]
hey there hazmat
03:13:36 [hazmat]
hi AaronSw
03:14:43 [hazmat]
i've been playing around with gentoo linux, its really nice.
03:15:07 [AaronSw]
what's special about it?
03:15:54 [AaronSw]
wow, ton of woody updates... really squashing those bugs...
03:16:22 [hazmat]
it uses a package management system thats a bit of a hyrbrid between freebsd ports and debian's apt
03:16:30 [AaronSw]
interesting
03:16:31 [hazmat]
which is written in python and shell script
03:16:50 [AaronSw]
what sort of apt features does it have? dependencies?
03:17:06 [hazmat]
dependencies yes.
03:17:24 [hazmat]
i haven't used debian so i couldn't really say how to compare it.
03:17:28 [AaronSw]
hm, ok.
03:17:37 [AaronSw]
i like the fink tradeoff between ports and apt
03:18:34 [AaronSw]
wow, 55 rc debian bugs... woody might come out after all ;)
03:18:46 [hazmat]
actually, i have used debian distros (storm linux, and progeny) but i ended up wiping them... oddly enough both companies stopped shipping ;)
03:19:20 [hazmat]
the debian install ends up driving me to use other distros. gentoo's install is fairly low level but is well documented.
03:19:54 [AaronSw]
Hm. I hear the new Progeny Graphical Installer (now part of Debian) is good.
03:20:04 [AaronSw]
I've become a Debian convert.
03:20:11 [AaronSw]
Heh, funny email header:
03:20:11 [AaronSw]
Organisation: Lacking
03:35:21 [AaronSw]
Wow, this is really clever
03:35:22 [AaronSw]
@ http://innominate.org/projects/tinydyndns/
03:36:12 [chumpster]
B: http://innominate.org/projects/tinydyndns/ from AaronSw
03:36:36 [AaronSw]
B:|tinydyndns - simple pop before dyndns service using djbdns
03:36:52 [chumpster]
titled item B
03:37:17 [AaronSw]
B::An extremely clever dynamicdns solution. I'm going to see if I can get this to work with qmail to make a pop-before-smtp solution.
03:37:33 [chumpster]
commented item B
03:48:28 [AaronSw]
B::Oh, cool, I just found [relay-ctrl|http://untroubled.org/relay-ctrl/] ([Debian package|http://packages.debian.org/relay-ctrl]), a tool to do Courier-IMAP-before-qmail -- just what I needed!
03:48:44 [chumpster]
commented item B
03:50:09 [deltab]
hmm, odd way of describing it
03:50:22 [AaronSw]
Courier-IMAP-before-qmail, you mean?
03:50:28 [deltab]
yeah
03:50:45 [deltab]
you mean IMAP-before-SMTP
03:50:56 [AaronSw]
I was going to say that, but it only works with courier and qmail
03:51:01 [AaronSw]
(I think...)
03:51:14 [AaronSw]
oh, and qmail-pop3d
04:07:54 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Looks like our first cutover to the latest code is going to be Europe. Wallops and notices to users on each individual server will keep track of the conversions. Expect some netsplits and joins. Apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for using OPN!
04:14:03 [walloper]
<lilo> First server will be a European server directly connected to US hubbing
04:16:55 [walloper]
<lilo> into the normal European server list now....next server follows in a few moments
04:19:40 [walloper]
<lilo> Another normal European server in just a moment.
04:20:54 [walloper]
<lilo> Another European server follows.
04:21:51 [walloper]
<lilo> One more European server follows.
04:22:58 [walloper]
<lilo> One more European leaf follows.
04:24:38 [walloper]
<lilo> One more European leaf.
04:26:23 [walloper]
<lilo> This is a WALLOPS message for the Open Projects Network. These messages contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. To turn them off, turn off user mode 'w'. On most clients: '/mode <yournick> -w'. Thanks.
04:27:36 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Our primary European hubbing is now going to be restarted. This will affect all of Europe and should take a bit longer to recover. Please bear with us.
04:31:11 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. OPN's European leaf and hub nodes have all been converted. Users in Europe will notice that they once again receive errors when directing private messages no nonexistent nicks. Various other problems have been corrected. Next scheduled upgrades will be around 8am OPN time (UTC). Thanks for your patience.
04:39:03 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw hacks relay-ctrl to do irc-before-smtp
04:39:40 [deltab]
cool
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04:53:16 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Just a reminder. In roughly 4 hours we'll be restarting the US servers and main hubs to upgrade to resolve a few remaining problems. Expect some service disruption at that time. Thanks.
04:58:04 [AaronSw]
.dns blogspace.com
04:58:05 [xena]
blogspace.com - 216.75.92.90
04:58:14 [AaronSw]
smtprelay 216.75.92.90
04:58:54 [AaronSw]
woo, it works!
05:00:09 [AaronSw]
B::Cool, I've hacked one of the bots in here to let me do irc-before-smtp using relay-ctrl. That should be good enough for now.
05:00:31 [chumpster]
commented item B
05:01:46 [AaronSw]
at least i didn't create a whole new bot for it ;)
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* AaronSw finds spamassassin false positive, ups threshold to 6
05:25:15 [GabeW]
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05:30:03 [AaronSw]
I'm making a list of interesting content from the Aaron Media Empire, let me know if you can think of anything...
05:30:12 [AaronSw]
trying to consolidate notabug.com, logicerror.com and blogspace.com
05:51:13 [AaronSw]
Ok, it's up at http://notabug.com/
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05:59:35 [AaronSw]
Hm, I wonder why sbp commented out the swhack weblog on his homepage
05:59:59 [AaronSw]
heh, so many great things in his comments!
06:00:01 [AaronSw]
<p>And don't forget the first rule of writing a homepage, which is:
06:00:01 [AaronSw]
<em>never</em> use the word "fuck" on your homepage.</p>
06:09:17 [AaronSw]
ok, blogspace.com pointing at notabug.com now
06:34:44 [AaronSw]
gnu.org supports lang-neg: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw
06:38:31 [AaronSw]
cool, i'm on the 6.171 site: Tuesday, April 23: personalization chapter exercises due; maybe a lecture by Aaron Swartz on semantic Web
06:38:31 [AaronSw]
*
06:54:29 [AaronSw]
eikeon, would you mind taping the lecture if you come?
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06:59:54 [jeremiah]
hello
07:00:03 [AaronSw]
so we meet again
07:00:05 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah likes that we run this on the same sever as semplesh
07:00:18 [AaronSw]
yeah, me too :0
07:00:40 [jeremiah]
alright well I'm getting awfully damn tired right about now
07:00:56 [jeremiah]
I should find something innovative to do with my time
07:01:22 [AaronSw]
hm, maybe you could bottle it up and sell it...
07:01:40 [jeremiah]
yeah
07:01:48 [jeremiah]
maybe I should read up on all this RDF stuff
07:01:52 [jeremiah]
all you kids are talking about
07:02:00 [eikeon]
Hi
07:02:02 [AaronSw]
heh. RDF: All the cool kids are doing it
07:02:06 [AaronSw]
hi eikeon
07:02:11 [jeremiah]
hi eikeon
07:02:19 [AaronSw]
still planning on coming to the mit talk?
07:02:20 [jeremiah]
so that goes on my list of stuff to read about and master
07:02:33 [jeremiah]
rdf, xslt, xsl, svg
07:02:36 [eikeon]
You caught me when I was reading the channel ;)
07:02:41 [eikeon]
Sure.
07:02:50 [AaronSw]
Cool, thanks.
07:02:55 [AaronSw]
xsl and xslt are pretty much the same, no?
07:03:03 [jeremiah]
xsl is the stylesheet
07:03:04 [deltab]
xslt is part of xsl
07:03:11 [jeremiah]
xslt is the transformation language
07:03:13 [jeremiah]
or SOMETHING
07:03:21 [AaronSw]
xslt isn't worth mastering, IMO.
07:03:21 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is hopeless
07:03:29 [AaronSw]
XSL-FOs are just weird, and also not worth mastering
07:03:38 [jeremiah]
what does FO mean?
07:03:45 [AaronSw]
Formatting Object
07:03:49 [jeremiah]
ah
07:03:52 [jeremiah]
well
07:04:03 [jeremiah]
I still have this dream of replacing HTML with OPML
07:04:05 [jeremiah]
in the future
07:04:12 [AaronSw]
eeeeeeeeeeeew!
07:04:16 [jeremiah]
[off] I'm dave's little bitch
07:04:25 [AaronSw]
[off] indeed. you're sick ;)
07:04:35 [jeremiah]
now what would be interesting
07:04:45 [jeremiah]
is to write a search engine
07:05:08 [jeremiah]
which searches heirarchial things like outlines
07:05:58 [jeremiah]
aaron: I just realized I DO bottle up my time and sell it
07:06:02 [jeremiah]
everyone does
07:06:12 [AaronSw]
who do you sell it to?
07:06:22 [jeremiah]
clients
07:06:40 [jeremiah]
linux journal has gone downhill
07:06:51 [jeremiah]
or: my needs have surpassed linux
07:10:19 [jeremiah]
w3c websites are surprisingly nice to read
07:10:27 [jeremiah]
I should model my page after their's
07:11:08 [eikeon]
g'nite all
07:11:13 [AaronSw]
g'nite eikeon
07:11:16 [jeremiah]
goodnight
07:12:46 [AaronSw]
.google semanticWeb-long
07:12:47 [xena]
semanticWeb-long: http://logicerror.com/semanticWeb-long&e=921
07:13:09 [AaronSw]
So this is an intro to the Semantic Web: http://logicerror.com/semanticWeb-long
07:13:18 [AaronSw]
And this is the Semantic Web for Web Developers
07:13:20 [AaronSw]
http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/outline
07:13:26 [AaronSw]
it's a rough outline of my MIT talk
07:13:35 [AaronSw]
and may not make so much sense
07:13:48 [jeremiah]
hmm ok
07:14:41 [jeremiah]
too be read in the morning
07:14:44 [jeremiah]
goodnight
07:14:47 [AaronSw]
g'nite
07:24:22 [AaronSw]
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09:43:04 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. We found a buglet in the new code in KLINE processing and will be back up on the old code in Europe momentarily.
09:48:08 [sbp]
* sbp waves
09:48:09 [sbp]
cool topic
09:50:24 [sbp]
lol @ the comments
09:50:31 [sbp]
(05:59:59)
09:51:34 [sbp]
bwahahahaha!
09:51:34 [sbp]
07:04:16 <jeremiah> [off] I'm dave's little bitch
09:51:35 [sbp]
07:04:25 <AaronSw> [off] indeed. you're sick ;)
09:51:46 [sbp]
didya forget the channel, guys? :-)
09:52:37 [sbp]
Hmm... that was just a couple of hours ago
09:54:51 [sbp]
megacool: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-swartz-rdfcore-rdfxml-mediatype-00
09:55:48 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Please bear with us as we diagnose and resolve this latest problem. Coder is online looking at it now.
09:56:29 [sbp]
* sbp wonders what problem that is
09:58:25 [sbp]
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09:59:50 [sbp]
huge netsplits in other channels. Problems with the code...
10:00:13 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. If you just came in, we're diagnosing a problem with both old and new code that the upgrade has exposed. Please bear with us. Thanks.
10:01:55 [sbp]
Hmm... why did I comment it out?
10:02:09 [sbp]
Oh, right: when blogspace went down, checklinks was just hanging on it
10:03:15 [sbp]
(i.e. the swhack links on my homepage)
10:07:27 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Further detail on WALLOPS (/umode +w, /mode <yournick> +w, etc)
10:07:54 [walloper]
<lilo> So it looks as if this problem is not at all related to the conversion. A problem KLINE was propagated and is working its way through the European servers.
10:08:26 [walloper]
<lilo> Fortunately asuffield was looking at it last night and has some idea what is going on. Equally fortunately we are already working through an upgrade process.
10:22:11 [walloper]
<lilo> Restarting a utility server.
10:33:48 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. We have the issue resolved and will finish the conversion. We're going to restart the core servers and the main hubbing, which will be pretty painful, then we'll do Europe, then Australia. Please bear with us and expect fairly massive service interruption. We'll come out of it with some more bug issues resolved. Thanks.
10:34:55 [walloper]
<lilo> US servers going next....
10:35:35 [walloper]
<lilo> One main rotation server.
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<lilo> Another main rotation server.
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<lilo> Another main rotation server follows.
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<lilo> Another main rotation server in a moment, I think the last one. Then the main hub, which should be mondo disruptive.
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<lilo> Main hubbing next.
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[Global Notice] Main hubbing will now be converted. Please hold on tight.
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10:53:14 [lilo]
[Global Notice] The main rotation and hubbing are all back up on new code. There will be some smaller conversions for the next few minutes. Thanks for your patience and thank you for using OPN! :)
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<lilo> Doing a few miscellaneous US servers now.
11:07:29 [walloper]
<lilo> Two more EU servers to complete.
11:09:07 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. We're going to do NZ and AU next. I'll post one more notice when the servers are all done.
11:10:39 [walloper]
<lilo> AU hubbing conversion in process.
11:11:02 [walloper]
<lilo> NZ in process.
11:12:06 [sbp]
* sbp manages to put some lyrics to the song that he was writing last night
11:13:47 [walloper]
<lilo> Going for the Australian leaf nodes now.
11:16:23 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Okay, looks like everything is converted successfully. Thanks for your patience.
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Gotta run
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* sbp plays "Better Than Anything"
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"head to toe, healthy wealthy and often wise"
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14:15:02 [sbp]
!
14:33:01 [sbp]
* sbp searches the inner reaches of his hard drive, and find some good old songs etc.
14:53:45 [AaronSw]
hi
14:56:14 [AaronSw]
ag's new filtering really sucks. i wonder if you can pay them to get around it
15:05:36 [AaronSw]
RoyF on using mailto: for mailboxes: "Wishful thinking is not interoperable."
15:09:15 [AaronSw]
Hm, IE uses mailtos on forms
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or lets you use, rather
15:10:55 [AaronSw]
this is great: http://www.xent.com/aug00/0576.html
15:11:23 [AaronSw]
i love how apache lets you take off extensions now: http://www.xent.com/aug00/0576
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16:38:05 [sbp]
Apache has let you take off extensions for years
16:39:22 [AaronSw]
by default?
16:39:25 [AaronSw]
I don't think so...
16:40:02 [sbp]
worked for me when I installed it early last year
16:40:58 [AaronSw]
compare: http://static2.userland.com/index and http://static2.userland.com/index.html
16:43:53 [sbp]
heh, nice use of your CGI script on www-tag
16:44:37 [sbp]
dunno - perhaps it's just the Win version. Perhaps I configured it. Perhaps they turned it off
16:45:26 [AaronSw]
no, they must have flipped the switch sometime before you downloaded
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or redhat keeps shipping old versions
16:46:03 [sbp]
it must have been quite a while ago then
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redhat: heh, possibly
16:46:24 [AaronSw]
they have a, ahem, tendency to do that
16:46:30 [sbp]
anyway, I'd better be going
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c'ya
16:46:34 [AaronSw]
[cough] gcc [/cough]
16:46:36 [AaronSw]
where you off to?
16:46:44 [AaronSw]
DST started today, you have an extra hour!
16:47:10 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw emails sbp his extra hour...
16:47:28 [AaronSw]
argh, stupid @home filters won't let me upload it..
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18:58:50 [AaronSw]
Ugh, Sunday Times broke their links.
18:59:05 [AaronSw]
I put up my article at http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/teenagerInAMillion
19:00:24 [sbp]
wow, the new Simpsons was phenomenal
19:00:26 [sbp]
Artie: What's it like being married to Marge?
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Homer: It's like being married to my best friend - and he lets me feel his boobs
19:00:30 [sbp]
good stuff
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and the new Futurama was pretty good, too
19:03:05 [AaronSw]
hey sbp
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nice interesting hash stuff
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* sbp goes through it
19:05:34 [AaronSw]
Heh, I love these notes from the IETF Applications Area: http://larry.masinter.net/apps-wg-chairs-980827/
19:06:04 [sbp]
heh!
19:06:18 [AaronSw]
"The IETF Applications Area chairs sometimes have boring meetings, as evidenced by everyone's doodles."
19:06:28 [sbp]
those are some neat doodles. Like mandalas
19:06:53 [sbp]
wow, some guy likes stars
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(or gal)
19:07:25 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: uris made of hash melts into the plesh, eventually
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.google spin mendle bobilate
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heh, heh, heh
19:08:12 [AaronSw]
someone must have been into phenomics...
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> Your search - spin mendle bobilate - did not match any documents
19:08:41 [AaronSw]
"spin mendle bobilate" could become the next squeamish ossifrage
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xena` is now known as xena
19:22:51 [sbp]
.google Semantic Web mushrooms
19:22:51 [xena]
Semantic Web mushrooms: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp
19:22:52 [sbp]
.google mad, cyber cow milking, hippy mormon
19:22:52 [xena]
mad, cyber cow milking, hippy mormon: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2001May/0008.html
19:22:55 [sbp]
.google Semantic Apple whipped up "insanity once again"
19:22:55 [xena]
Semantic Apple whipped up "insanity once again": http://www.aaronsw.com
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we rock
19:25:08 [AaronSw]
heh that won't last long
19:25:20 [AaronSw]
I refactored aaronsw.com, notabug.com and logicerror.com last night
19:26:15 [sbp]
what are you going to defenestrate your current designs?
19:26:21 [sbp]
s/what/when/
19:26:57 [AaronSw]
what's wrong with the designs?
19:27:14 [AaronSw]
(other than that i stole them from you) do you have better ones?
19:27:36 [sbp]
Hmm... perhaps I misinterpreted what you meant by "refactored"
19:27:43 [sbp]
I see you've already whipped swhack from your homepage
19:27:45 [AaronSw]
.wn refactor
19:28:00 [sbp]
it's not even a word! [shock horror]
19:28:03 [AaronSw]
I whipped the swhack duplication, there's still a link
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several, probably
19:28:12 [sbp]
well...
19:28:42 [sbp]
there's nothing wrong with the design at all; I like it. I just thought you had yet another change in store. We do change our pages quite often, y'know
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(I think I've liked every evolution)
19:29:02 [AaronSw]
Cool. I stole your homepage design for notabug.com
19:29:07 [AaronSw]
and pointed blogspace at notabug.com
19:29:19 [AaronSw]
I guess I should update logicerror's design a bit.
19:29:31 [sbp]
heh, so you did. Cool
19:29:42 [AaronSw]
one less domain to worry about :)
19:30:34 [sbp]
mysterylights.com expired a while ago - I didn't even notice. I was like three days over the deadline for renewing
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well, OTOH I can't have been
19:30:50 [sbp]
since it got renewed somehow :-)
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[by the swift sending of money to the registrar]
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can you imagine if it had gone down?
19:31:35 [AaronSw]
You're the third person I know to do that in the past few weeks, I believe.
19:31:40 [sbp]
heh, heh
19:31:53 [AaronSw]
McCusker forgot about treedragon.com, sandro lost taguri.org
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persistent domains, pleeease! come on ICANN
19:32:03 [AaronSw]
Both got trapped because of spam, I believe.
19:32:12 [sbp]
taguri: he's going to get it back, isn't he?
19:32:13 [AaronSw]
And I had to remind both of them to renew!
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heh, I noticed
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Yeah, they both got it back after I reminded them.
19:32:40 [sbp]
taguri was down the last time I checked...
19:32:50 [AaronSw]
well the registrar shows expires: 2003-04-12 14:23:52
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but he says the machine is down (after staying up since the W3C was founded)
19:33:13 [sbp]
ah, yeah... I recall
19:33:30 [AaronSw]
Being dragged off to lunch with the family. Laters.
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c'ya
19:33:40 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw gets dragged out of the room by parents
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heh, heh: dragging his keyboard behind him
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* sbp sends a note to Aaron
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with a custom signature!
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text, public domain
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Gotta run
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but the message is GNU
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GNU's Not Unix
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the message is GPL
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The Medium is the Massage!
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hey there tom
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brb
20:20:20 [sbp]
Gotta run
20:45:50 [tomch]
hello;goodbye
20:47:50 [sbp]
* sbp waves
20:47:52 [sbp]
you say Goodbye, and I say Hello
20:47:54 [sbp]
Hello, Hello!
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I don't know why you say Goodbye: I say Hello
20:59:30 [tomch]
Evening.
21:02:46 [sbp]
'evenin'
21:02:56 [tomch]
* tomch waves back
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I think we've greeted.
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yep
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apt!
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* tomch puzzles
21:05:35 [sbp]
it is apt that we should greet each other so politely
21:07:03 [sbp]
pleasant, warm, friendly, open, kind. 'smarvellous, 'swonderful, 'sswhack
21:08:12 [tomch]
I feel like a pawn in a great game of advertising.
21:08:54 [sbp]
no... there's a distinct feel of ambient doveness in the air today
21:09:59 [tomch]
It'll be spring warmth, hot dew and honeysuckle most likely.
21:10:37 [sbp]
Hmph. That's probably it. Spring is great, but it advents summer, which isn't as great. Too much pollen and heat. Yuck
21:10:56 [sbp]
I dunno, I'm just sprightly and happy today. Make the most of it
21:11:49 [tomch]
That's nice :o)
21:11:51 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw waves
21:11:59 [tomch]
Good time to ask favours then
21:12:03 [sbp]
hey there, Aaron
21:12:07 [sbp]
indeed
21:12:09 [tomch]
* tomch waves back
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hello
21:12:20 [AaronSw]
I love your email.
21:12:20 [tomch]
I don't think I have favours to ask :o(
21:12:26 [sbp]
heh, heh; thanks
21:12:40 [sbp]
it just kinda wrote itself
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* AaronSw hunts for "Some kind of magic wonder-drug that makes me think that I'm still in England"
21:13:58 [sbp]
something that makes me think that it's constantly raining may be a good substitute
21:14:11 [AaronSw]
oh, it always rains in Cambridge
21:14:14 [tomch]
:-)
21:14:15 [sbp]
neat
21:15:06 [sbp]
the map is the least important thing. I usually just wander around until I find places
21:15:28 [AaronSw]
Me too.
21:15:46 [AaronSw]
hm, favors. wanna convert Lutz's expert system to RDF?
21:16:01 [sbp]
not really, but thanks for asking
21:16:07 [AaronSw]
When I went into College on Friday, I saw the funniest thing.
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a clown with his pants down?
21:16:25 [AaronSw]
Apparently they were holding math elections so the place was decked out with baloons, streamers, cube root flash cards, etc.
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And lots of "vote for me posters".
21:16:43 [AaronSw]
One i remember particularly, it went something like:
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1. You will vote for the best candidate.
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2. Andrew Orgajnsoshy is the best candidate. [or whatever his name was]
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3. Therefore, by Modus Ponens, you will vote for Andrew Orgajnsoshy.
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so what's with this poster?
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1. Logic isn't exactly math, but i can sort of see the stretch...
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2. it isn't written in any formal logical language!
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3. Even if it was, I can see no way how Modus Ponens is appropriate there!
21:18:20 [AaronSw]
He probably wants substitution or universal elimination
21:18:32 [sbp]
it was probably put up by an opponent of Andrew Orgajnsoshy
21:18:46 [AaronSw]
heh, good point.
21:18:56 [AaronSw]
Becuase after that, there was no way he would get my vote.
21:19:22 [sbp]
heh, exactly. in effect, it says "I'm thick, and I suck. Don't vote for me."
21:19:51 [sbp]
"A Vote for Bart is a Vote for Anarchy!"
21:20:17 [AaronSw]
I'd vote for anarchy.
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It's the hacker way.
21:21:32 [sbp]
[[[
21:21:33 [sbp]
"Anarchism does not mean bloodshed; it does not mean robbery, arson, etc. These monstrosities are, on the contrary, the characteristic features of capitalism. Anarchism means peace and tranquility to all."
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--August Spies, Haymarket anarchist
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]]] - via. http://www.radio4all.org/anarchy/
21:21:52 [AaronSw]
Anarchy is Libertarian Socialism.
21:21:58 [AaronSw]
.google anarchists faq
21:21:59 [xena]
anarchists faq: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931
21:22:19 [AaronSw]
heh:
21:22:20 [AaronSw]
"If we have to use force, it is because we are America."
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--Secretary of State Madeleine Albright
21:22:22 [sbp]
no... Libertarian Socialism is Libertarian Socialism. Anarchy is equivalent to it
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* tomch looks unimpressed
21:23:07 [sbp]
"you should be an anarchist because we'll give you ten bucks"
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that's the best argument for anything
21:23:30 [AaronSw]
heh: "Nobody who actually wants to be President should be allowed to run, because they're either: a) idiots; b) egomaniacs; c) megalomaniacs; d) all of the above."
21:23:50 [sbp]
heh, like the ruler of the Universe in HHG
21:25:22 [tomch]
mhmm..
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intersting FAQ
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wmf!
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swhack!
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swhack!
22:06:20 [AaronSw]
felter!
22:06:35 [AaronSw]
how's it going?
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but I hardly even know her!
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heh, heh
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heh
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Where are you now?
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time warner is not giving me very good service lately
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I'm in the "laptop lounge" at my new apartment complex
22:07:44 [AaronSw]
they have a laptop lounge? that's pretty cool.
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yeah, except for the fact that it didn't work for the last week
22:08:38 [AaronSw]
you should just move into the lounge
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so when I moved I called time warner and they couldn't come hook up my cable until friday
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and on friday when they hooked it up, it didn't work
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ah, I just saw your post on the DG, AaronSw
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Yay for cable monopolies.
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DSL is worse, though
22:11:49 [AaronSw]
so it still doesn't work? when are they gonna fix it?
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some time on monday
22:12:16 [AaronSw]
riiight. don't let them leave until its fixed.
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they're going to call me at a random time, then I'll dash out of work to supervise
22:12:51 [AaronSw]
we did that once, the guy dug up our whole back yard and replaced the entire cable wiring in the house before he realized it was the modem itself.
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so we held him hostage until someone else drove out from the office with a new modem.
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You gotta do what you gotta do.
22:13:37 [wmf]
it may be the modem (because I moved across town and just took my old modem with me, but they may be using DOCSIS out here)
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but OTOH, my digital cable box doesn't appear to work, either
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it's a little hard to tell since I don't have a TV
22:14:16 [AaronSw]
what happened to your expensive home studio?
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confe--?
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I have an expensive stereo, but no TV. I ditched my 13" TV and I'm getting a new one
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and 12 days since your last real entry...
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gonna go big and get the 14" this time?
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that's a catholic joke
22:16:11 [AaronSw]
oh, got it
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I think I'm going to get a 27"
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although I want the 40"
22:16:47 [AaronSw]
I noticed the other day that my Powerbook screen is bigger than our tv
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heh
22:17:25 [AaronSw]
we were watching a DVD and Ben said "no, i want to watch it on the big screen" so I held up my powerbook to the screen and said "now which one is bigger?"
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and the tibook is widescreen
22:18:06 [AaronSw]
yeah, and higher quality too
22:19:46 [wmf]
at least I don't have an email backlog
22:19:47 [AaronSw]
hm, to think, no internet has probably rotted your brain
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reading them at work?
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I've been reading books and playing Exile
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yeah, I read my mail at work (the power of IMAP)
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HTP traffic isn't down much
22:23:25 [AaronSw]
I was waiting for Dave to ask if you had died.
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my friend Juan emailed asking if I died
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that's why i posted the easter post
22:24:13 [AaronSw]
Heh. Daily "I'm still alive" posts would be funny.
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I could have a script that does it
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and then on april 1st you could say "I'm dead."
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like a dead-man switch, but a dead-man script
22:25:29 [AaronSw]
what would be the point if it was automated? it'd still post even if you were dead
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maybe unless I blogged, it would post saying that I'm dead
22:26:20 [AaronSw]
ah, i see.
22:26:45 [AaronSw]
maybe it could call you up using voicexml
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heh
22:27:10 [AaronSw]
"This is the 'Is Wesley Dead System' if you are wesley felter and alive, please press 1. if you are weley felter and dead, press 2."
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"update the planet, you slacker!:
22:27:32 [AaronSw]
sounds like philg's "lose weight thru WAP and VXML" system
22:28:21 [wmf]
I haven't heard about that one
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I need a bluetooth-enabled phone
22:28:58 [AaronSw]
find for "Rachel" in http://philip.greenspun.com/internet-application-workbook/introduction
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it's the big gray box
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man, I don't even have time to read the SN backlog
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screw it
22:32:35 [AaronSw]
summary: dave in news story, dave fixes bug, microsoft in news story, microsoft doesn't fix bug
22:33:00 [AaronSw]
oh, and Google has a SOAP interface
22:33:21 [deltab]
it does?
22:33:42 [AaronSw]
didn't you see my post to the google weblog?
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http://google.blogspace.com/archives/000209
22:33:59 [deltab]
only a couple of seconds ago :-)
22:34:34 [wmf]
I want to go see panic room
22:35:26 [AaronSw]
what's it about?
22:35:36 [wmf]
apple probably has a trailer
22:35:45 [AaronSw]
they do, but they're being slow
22:36:00 [AaronSw]
ah, here we go
22:36:51 [AaronSw]
oh, right, i read about this in the new yorker
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quite the movie to see after moving in, eh?
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whatever
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I'm just hanging out until the Singularity
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(reading Ken McLeod does this to me)
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22:40:35 [AaronSw]
heh, i need to get his next book...
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* AaronSw checks the library
22:41:01 [wmf]
I just finished The Sky Road the other day
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yesterday I was reading the BFS book and The Hacker Ethic
22:41:22 [AaronSw]
which one comes after star fraction?
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BFS?
22:41:30 [AaronSw]
I read FAIF yesterday.
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I think the stone canal is second
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FAIF?
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.google practical file system design
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practical file system design: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1558604979/qid=945262449/sr=1-4/002-2785522-9737851
22:42:08 [AaronSw]
Free as in Freedom, the oreilly book on RMS
22:42:20 [AaronSw]
oh, how was BFS¿
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I'm still working on it, but it's good
22:43:14 [AaronSw]
and the hacker ethic?
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yawn
22:43:42 [AaronSw]
that's what i expected
22:43:47 [AaronSw]
FAIF is at http://oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/
22:43:55 [AaronSw]
it's under FDL after some stallman strong-arming
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of course
22:44:07 [tomch]
:-)
22:44:13 [wmf]
* wmf imagines "you can only interview me if the book is free"
22:44:19 [AaronSw]
exactly!
22:44:29 [AaronSw]
except he did the interviews first, and then demanded
22:44:32 [AaronSw]
it's pretty interesting, if you're into biographies
22:45:06 [AaronSw]
his girlfriend is insightful
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* wmf shudders
22:45:43 [AaronSw]
"It was a youngish woman, mid-20s I'd say, named Sarah."
22:46:49 [AaronSw]
The interview with his Jewish mother is funny.
22:47:03 [wmf]
"he was such a good boy"
22:47:10 [AaronSw]
no, she says he was a fascist
22:47:17 [wmf]
oh
22:47:24 [AaronSw]
he thought unions were corrupt and social security should be invested in the market
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* wmf sighs
22:48:20 [AaronSw]
and he thought it was immoral to write English essays
22:48:39 [AaronSw]
(not going to give into those teacher tyrants)
22:48:55 [wmf]
why is my site so slow? was it migrated to tape while I was away?
22:49:25 [AaronSw]
no, dave moved it to the web archive to save bandwidth
22:49:42 [wmf]
heh
22:50:10 [wmf]
"you are the weakest href"
22:50:31 [AaronSw]
heh, heh
22:50:44 [AaronSw]
at least he didn't forget to renew editthispage.com (cough)
22:50:55 [wmf]
yeah
22:51:04 [wmf]
I fear renewing felter.org
22:51:33 [AaronSw]
they do it to get you to splurge on the 400 year contract
22:51:47 [AaronSw]
oh, you use verisign. heh, good luck.
22:52:01 [AaronSw]
Record expires on 01-Aug-2002.
22:52:04 [wmf]
I think it's registered under wesf@cs.utexas.edu, which no longer exists
22:52:10 [AaronSw]
yes, it is
22:52:25 [AaronSw]
and bills go to Kenner, LA
22:52:28 [wmf]
and my parents are about to move out of that house, too
22:52:29 [wmf]
hmm
22:52:43 [AaronSw]
heh, perfect
22:52:52 [AaronSw]
all the makings of a verisign horror story
22:53:00 [wmf]
yes... I can see it now
22:54:27 [wmf]
maybe I can convince them to send something to that address which will let me prove that I am me
22:55:04 [AaronSw]
they'll probably want you to sit on hold for a few days, then fax them your license and utility bills
22:55:09 [AaronSw]
then sit on hold for a few more days
22:56:03 [wmf]
I am getting a lot of HTML spam lately
22:57:14 [wmf]
verisign is evil
22:57:28 [wmf]
lessig should lead a riot against verisign HQ
22:57:36 [AaronSw]
heh, that'd be something
22:57:46 [AaronSw]
we need to work our way up to disney
22:57:57 [AaronSw]
and then a march on washington
22:58:37 [AaronSw]
SOAP? in hardware? by intel? bizarre, indeed.
22:58:54 [wmf]
totally
22:59:12 [wmf]
they're running into a transistor-budget problem
22:59:35 [AaronSw]
Verisign rally: "What do we want? Our domains! When do we want them? Three months ago."
22:59:58 [wmf]
heh
23:00:04 [wmf]
motherfuckers
23:00:27 [AaronSw]
my new favorite registrar is gandi
23:03:27 [AaronSw]
hm, you're supposed to transfer netsol domains at least 60 days before they expire
23:04:15 [wmf]
it's not that I want to transfer it, I just want to make sure that it stays under my ownership
23:04:28 [sbp]
* sbp waits for them to start a 50-day registration scheme
23:04:33 [AaronSw]
Heh: "If Network Solutions denied your transfer for no legitimate reason [...] You must contact NSI and urge them to approve the transfer the day after you confirm our email."
23:04:44 [wmf]
if I try to transfer it, I know they'll screw me
23:04:53 [AaronSw]
are there other felter's trying to snatch your domain?
23:05:06 [wmf]
I
23:05:08 [wmf]
I
23:05:10 [wmf]
grr
23:05:13 [sbp]
2?
23:05:18 [wmf]
I'm sure felterlog is :-)
23:05:32 [AaronSw]
heh heh
23:06:15 [wmf]
and you know there are companies that buy expired domain names and ransom them, right?
23:06:43 [AaronSw]
yeah, and there are companies that sell ransom domained to other people
23:06:55 [AaronSw]
err ransomed domains
23:07:31 [wmf]
so if I don't renew, I could find my domain 0wned by allyourdomain.com, who will charge me $1000 to get it back
23:08:14 [wmf]
sometimes I'm just not into anarcho-capitalism
23:09:27 [tomch]
You seem to have a good point.
23:09:34 [AaronSw]
on the other hand, if you do renew, verisign will charge you $2000 to get it back
23:09:45 [wmf]
* wmf grumbles
23:16:23 [wmf]
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba/hotline/20020406/etc_ultra320scsi.html
23:16:33 [wmf]
SCSI cards with big heatsinks? scary
23:17:09 [AaronSw]
heh, i like the japanese moulin rouge ad
23:20:00 [wmf]
I'm still getting the flash MX crack referers
23:21:26 [AaronSw]
heh, now it's raph's fault
23:21:27 [AaronSw]
.google flash mx crack
23:21:28 [xena]
flash mx crack: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$7344?mode=day
23:21:38 [wmf]
grrr
23:23:33 [wmf]
I should have gotten a guest blogger
23:23:52 [wmf]
anyway, starvation is setting in
23:23:55 [AaronSw]
heh
23:24:27 [AaronSw]
whoa, which myst book is coming to the sci fi channel?
23:24:38 [wmf]
they didn't say
23:26:59 [wmf]
wmf has quit ("wmf has no reason")
23:27:34 [AaronSw]
Hi-ho! Hi-ho!
23:31:17 [sbp]
It's off to work he goes
23:35:11 [AaronSw]
Jack Valenti complains of being terrorized and ambushed by file swappers.
23:51:52 [AaronSw]
</phone>
23:55:28 [AaronSw]
lol, valenti says 'To "plug" the "analog hole."' is technical jargon
23:56:04 [AaronSw]
this really sums up his sensationalism: 'That truth is: If you cannot protect what you own, you don¹t own anything.'
23:57:13 [tomch]
Yes, I noticed that appear at both the beginning and end of his privately-owned intellectual creation
23:57:21 [sbp]
at least he's fairly realistic: "litigation alone cannot possibly provide an adequate solution, particularly as these services become increasingly decentralized, fragmented and anonymous"
23:58:10 [sbp]
but it is a dreadful minefield of sensationalism, journalistic inaccuracy, and disinformation
23:58:29 [tomch]
much of which I would not term 'realistic'
23:59:15 [sbp]
no, no, it's realistic in that it's understandable from a capitalist-materialistic viewpoint. When you've been brought up in that industry, you're bound to be firghtened of any challenges
23:59:46 [sbp]
so it's quite sad, really, as well as providing a chuckle