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00:18:13 <redmonk> hidy ho
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00:56:07 <Morbus> i have no new memos?!!
00:56:12 <Morbus> well, *fuck you*, NoteServ
00:57:53 <Morbus> i need some tea.
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02:53:15 <AaronSw> McCusker:
02:53:17 <AaronSw> Poe smiled slightly as Vex knelt to examine the pentagram itself. 
02:53:18 <AaronSw> Looking very closely, Vex could see the lines were really writing. 
02:53:18 <AaronSw> "Shit, this is Perl," Vex objected to Poe. "Only pussies use Perl." 
02:53:18 <AaronSw> "Then you'll have no problem getting out of there?" Poe suggested. 
02:53:19 <AaronSw> "I didn't say that," Vex grinned. "Why not use Java? Java rules." 
03:26:20 <AaronSw> chuckle: "they all seem to be confused, screwy people who are intent on reinventing not just the wheel, but its name and dictionary entry as well."
03:27:37 <talli> it's true
03:27:52 <talli> they are intent on building CAP-QL, or the CAP Query Language
03:28:21 <AaronSw> wacky
03:28:33 <talli> very
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04:20:36 <AaronSw> bots are now auto-voiced, for fun
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04:24:50 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Coming Soon: #swhack MOO Day
04:27:58 <AaronSw> I've been trying to figure out what #swhack looks like.
04:31:20 <AaronSw> I think it's a big open space with people teleporting in and out, and the bots are large displays on each wall.
04:32:04 <AaronSw> AaronSw is a tall and slender and a pale white, with black clothes draped loosely around him. He wears an artist's beret and has a round and friendly face, deep in concentration, but faintly smiling.
04:33:14 <redmonk> hm
04:33:50 <AaronSw> xena is the north wall, a pool of data and water flowing and swirling. Occasionally people look up at it and shout questions.
04:34:43 <AaronSw> log{gy,ster} is the ceiling, a series of recording devices and a display with an ever-increasing pointer-URL for the logs.
04:34:48 <AaronSw> logster, pointer?
04:34:48 <AaronSw> See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-04-04#T04-34-48
04:34:55 <AaronSw> like that
04:35:33 <AaronSw> walloper is a speaker on the south wall, ocasionally blaring news from the mists.
04:36:30 <AaronSw> chumpster is a large whiteboard to the west, which is archived and cleared every day at 0:00 UTC.
04:36:41 <redmonk> heh
04:36:41 <AaronSw> The topic is written at the top.
04:37:08 <AaronSw> I think that's all my bots. redmonk? your turn.
04:37:21 <redmonk> hm.
04:37:29 <redmonk> hard to say
04:38:23 <redmonk> not used to this
04:38:35 <redmonk> redmonk is short and slender
04:38:36 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Coming Soon: #swhack MOO Day | You see a big open space with people teleporting in and out, toys scattered around the floors and displays, speakers and whiteboards along the walls and ceiling.
04:39:20 <redmonk> dressed in silver and black
04:40:43 <redmonk> i suck at this
04:40:46 <redmonk> ;-)
04:40:55 <AaronSw> heh. here are some examples: http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~tari/connections/appendix2.html
04:42:02 <AaronSw> here are some better ones: http://www.asi.org/moonsims/bible/moo-bot-descriptions.html
04:42:46 <AaronSw> heh. on MUDs and MOOs everyone is attractive, strong, tall and thin
04:43:36 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Coming Soon: #swhack MOO Day! Please describe your character. | You see a big open space with people teleporting in and out, toys scattered around the floors and displays, speakers and whiteboards along the walls and ceiling.
04:45:47 <redmonk> crap
04:45:53 <redmonk> snak ate my post
04:46:03 <AaronSw> heh
04:46:07 <redmonk> hang on 
04:46:11 <AaronSw> try hitting up-arrow and salvaging it
04:46:49 <AaronSw> * AaronSw waves lies down and begins to fall asleep
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06:53:03 <AaronSw> anyone have some nice-looking CSS for slides?
06:53:14 <AaronSw> maybe i'll get sbp to make/find some for me
07:19:14 <AaronSw> ooh, some fancy fonting: http://www.mnot.net/
07:47:53 <AaronSw> if anyone wants to comment on an early draft of my talk, let me know
07:48:20 <AaronSw> it's coming out really well
07:48:37 <AaronSw> when i'm done, i want to turn it into a full article, maybe an o'reilly book ;)
07:50:18 <talli> where is it?
07:50:56 <talli> AaronSw: where's the draft of your talk?
07:51:13 <sbp> yeah, show us the money
07:51:30 <talli> sbp: where are you in meat space?
07:51:42 <sbp> Heh, Tim came up with "{ height: big; color: grey}" in the latest reforming N3 post
07:51:51 <sbp> N3 gets more like CSS every day!
07:51:56 <AaronSw> wow, you guys are up late/early
07:52:12 <sbp> in fact, if we let /* */ be put in transparently...
07:52:14 <sbp> early
07:52:24 <sbp> you're up pretty late too
07:52:26 <AaronSw> i talk to my self for hours in the middle of the night and suddenly two people appear alluvasudden
07:52:27 <sbp> .time -6
07:52:27 <xena> error: Site Error occurred: KeyError
07:52:32 <sbp> .time CST
07:52:33 <xena> Apr. 4, 2002 1:52 am US/Central
07:52:33 <AaronSw> .time cst
07:52:33 <xena> Apr. 4, 2002 1:52 am US/Central
07:52:39 <sbp> Hmm... not so late
07:52:44 <talli> i'm on the west coast
07:52:50 <AaronSw> .time pst
07:52:50 <xena> Apr. 3, 2002 11:52 pm US/Pacific
07:52:56 <talli> exacto
07:53:05 <talli> so where's your talk already?
07:53:06 <AaronSw> .time bst
07:53:06 <xena> Apr. 4, 2002 8:53 am GMT+1
07:53:11 <talli> and sbp, wher ein the world are you?
07:53:12 <AaronSw> just a sec, i'm uploading it
07:53:29 <sbp> I'm in BST, clearly :-)
07:53:40 <talli> hmmm...
07:53:53 <talli> belgium? brunei? britain? bumfuck, kansas?
07:53:54 <AaronSw> @ http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/outline
07:54:10 <AaronSw> britain
07:54:15 <eikeon> late here
07:54:20 <AaronSw> .time est
07:54:20 <xena> Apr. 4, 2002 2:54 am US/Eastern
07:54:23 <chumpster> A: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/6171talk/outline from AaronSw
07:54:25 <sbp> from the moonsims page, I guess that I have to follow the "x is an attractive young woman" theme...
07:54:32 <AaronSw> wow, aren't we the late night gang...
07:54:35 <talli> sbp: where in britain? london?
07:54:37 <AaronSw> moonsms?
07:54:43 <AaronSw> err moonsims?
07:54:57 <sbp> wow, even your notes look like Python
07:55:09 <sbp> early morning, actually :-)
07:55:09 <AaronSw> heh
07:55:14 <AaronSw> A:|The Semantic Web for Web Developers
07:55:28 <AaronSw> A::early, early draft. probably doesn't make much sense. please send me comments if it does.
07:55:30 <chumpster> titled item A
07:55:46 <chumpster> commented item A
07:55:47 <sbp> "buildings which are poems": heh. nice
07:55:56 <eikeon> Cool... they do look like python... lol
07:56:01 <AaronSw> protocols which are poems...
07:56:10 <talli> should we ignore it if it doesn't?
07:56:10 <sbp> Date space! wow!
07:56:16 <AaronSw> A::uses tabs for an outline-style effect, probably only works in my editor and radio userland
07:56:19 <sbp> * sbp only just realised
07:56:24 <AaronSw> heh
07:56:32 <chumpster> commented item A
07:56:38 <AaronSw> i've given into four digits.
07:56:39 <AaronSw> but no more!
07:56:56 <AaronSw> and only for random unimportant junk
07:57:55 <sbp> type and oddity: """:danbri :name "baz ."""
07:58:02 <sbp> yeah, I've goine down to just a year now
07:58:19 <AaronSw> type and oddity? i see the missing quote...
07:58:25 <sbp> I don't think this is true: XML was designed for documents, not data
07:58:33 <sbp> Well, I didn't know that that was DanBri's name
07:58:41 <AaronSw> ah, good point
07:58:49 <AaronSw> data: evidence to the contrary?
07:59:01 <sbp> well, any data format that uses XML :-)
07:59:13 <AaronSw> things can be misuesed
07:59:14 <sbp> RDF could be considered a data format
07:59:24 <AaronSw> of course it is
07:59:39 <sbp> OTOH, XML RDF horks
08:01:16 <AaronSw> does my "web is poetry" allusion come across?
08:01:31 <AaronSw> hm, i guess i come out and say it...
08:01:54 <sbp> DMOZ puts XML under a data format category http://dmoz.org/Computers/Data_Formats/Markup_Languages/XML/
08:02:09 <AaronSw> they put HTML and SGML there too
08:02:23 <sbp> Simon seems to think that XML is for data: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/1999/12/dtd/
08:02:57 <AaronSw> no, he says it's for data structures
08:03:09 <sbp> what's the difference?
08:03:27 <AaronSw> well, html describes a "data structure" but its primary purpose is communicating information, not structured data
08:03:34 <AaronSw> anything is a "data structure"
08:03:37 <sbp> even the XML schema group is neatly divided between data and documentation people
08:03:42 <sbp> s/is/was/
08:03:51 <AaronSw> yeah, and the data ones were wrong ;)
08:03:59 <sbp> prove it
08:04:02 <sbp> HTML can contain data
08:04:12 <sbp> in the form of tables, forms, etc.
08:04:15 <AaronSw> i just said that
08:04:21 <sbp> well then
08:04:28 <AaronSw> <AaronSw> well, html describes a "data structure" but its primary purpose is communicating information, not structured data
08:04:45 <sbp> it can do both, though
08:04:54 <AaronSw> not very well
08:05:07 <sbp> no wonder: HTML sucks for documentation and data
08:05:11 <AaronSw> if xml is for data, why does it have attributes?
08:05:21 <sbp> erm... for data
08:05:25 <AaronSw> and PIs
08:05:41 <AaronSw> and entities
08:05:57 <sbp> PIs give extra information to processors: not dependent on the content
08:06:09 <sbp> entities are used in XML RDF, which you already acknowleged is data
08:06:17 <sbp> (i.e. by the DCMI lot)
08:06:54 <sbp> even the XML infoset is clearly data oriented
08:07:17 <AaronSw> wow, matzah gets quite hot when you chew it rapidly.
08:07:25 <sbp> matzah?
08:07:41 <sbp> * sbp wonders why XML datatypes are called datatypes rather than documentationtypes
08:08:00 <sbp> .google matzah
08:08:00 <xena> matzah: http://www.his.com/~chabad/passover
08:08:46 <sbp> Hmm... http://www.jewfaq.org/food.htm#Soup
08:08:47 <AaronSw> @ http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/index.html
08:09:20 <chumpster> B: http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/index.html from AaronSw
08:09:48 <AaronSw> B:|Free as in Freedom: Richard Stallman's Crusade for Free Software
08:10:05 <chumpster> titled item B
08:10:10 <AaronSw> B::Full text of the book, as part of [O'Reilly's Open Books Project|http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/]
08:10:18 <AaronSw> sorry sbp, modem blipped out for a minute or so...
08:10:27 <chumpster> commented item B
08:10:49 <sbp> heh: "Straight lines came out looking like straight lines, not low-amplitude sine waves."
08:10:51 <AaronSw> anyway, it's not worth arguing about now - i'm not budging on the subject
08:11:01 <sbp> fine. be wrong. see if I care :-)
08:11:08 <AaronSw> heh
08:12:40 <sbp> * sbp doesn't actually care much either, to be quite honest
08:13:01 <sbp> heh, actually you're rather lucky that I'm not going to be there to heckle you
08:13:12 <AaronSw> :-)
08:13:44 <AaronSw> B::The author has started [a FAIFzilla.org community site|http://www.faifzilla.org/] to keep updated versions of the book (all distributed under the FDL)
08:13:47 <sbp> I need a white paper of something that I can wave in the air (the XSD spec., perhaps, inasmuch as anyone could ever wave that in the air)
08:13:59 <chumpster> commented item B
08:14:35 <AaronSw> maybe the spec will have something of use
08:14:35 <sbp> are you eating floaters or sinkers?
08:14:49 <AaronSw> huh?
08:15:07 <sbp> er... Matzah
08:15:22 <AaronSw> floaters?
08:15:25 <AaronSw> sinkers?
08:15:38 <sbp> """Matzah balls can be very soft and light or firm and heavy. A friend of mine describes the two types as "floaters and sinkers."""" - http://www.jewfaq.org/food.htm#Soup
08:16:06 <AaronSw> heh, i'm not eating matzah balls!
08:16:10 <AaronSw> bleech
08:16:13 <sbp> heh
08:16:23 <sbp> fine. what on earth were you talking about earlier, then?
08:16:29 <AaronSw> just plain matzah
08:16:56 <AaronSw> you know, unleavened bread
08:17:03 <sbp> oh, bread. got it
08:17:15 <AaronSw> flattened, got the little holes in it
08:17:23 <AaronSw> looks like this: http://www.godandscience.org/images/matzah.jpg
08:17:28 <AaronSw> [whoa, what a weird website]
08:17:40 <sbp> Hmm... like wafers
08:18:02 <sbp> Gotta run
08:18:04 <AaronSw> c'ya
08:27:06 <sbp> * sbp returns
08:34:22 <AaronSw> B::[blurbs from TimBL, Schonberg, BGates, Larry Lessig, Linus and Bob Young|http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/freedom/reviews.html]
08:34:38 <chumpster> commented item B
08:43:41 <AaronSw> hm, so no more comments on the talk, sbp?
08:50:57 <AaronSw> laugh: "Ticketmaster has always shown itself to be a subsidiary of satan, with their frequent buyouts of their only competitors and their attaching a $6 "convenience fee" to my tickets (30% of face value, how convenient!), but last week they showed a new face of evil."
08:51:17 <AaronSw> just the first phrase, really: "Ticketmaster has always shown itself to be a subsidiary of satan"
09:00:52 <AaronSw> oh, don't forget to describe your MOO character, sbp
09:06:28 <AaronSw> lol! 15 year-old Welsh singing sensation Charlotte "Church recently met George W. Bush but says she prefers Clinton. ³[Bush] said, ŒSo what state is Wales in?¹ I said, ŒErm, it¹s a separate country next to England, and he went, ŒOh, OK.¹ I didn¹t know what to say." --Jeannette Wells, 10/30/01.
09:07:01 <sbp> heh
09:07:21 <AaronSw> oh, this is good: from the Washington Post, Oct 3: George W. Bush: "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." --Washington Post, Oct. 3, 2001
09:08:22 <AaronSw> * AaronSw yawns
09:08:28 <AaronSw> Goodnight, all.
09:08:36 <AaronSw> * AaronSw lies down and begins to drift asleep
12:25:12 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Preserve information: pickle an MP3
12:26:31 <sbp> it was between that and: "Get high: climb a ladder"
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14:24:27 <redmonk>  'lo
14:27:31 <Morbus> 'l
14:27:49 <redmonk> '
14:27:51 <redmonk> heh
14:27:58 <Morbus> whoo.
14:28:03 <Morbus> thats a swhack clasic.
14:28:05 <redmonk> how you doin, morb? hangin in therE?
14:28:40 <Morbus> nope. i'm getting confused now.
14:28:43 <Morbus> and its not a good confused.
14:28:50 <Morbus> its a where do we stand confused.
14:28:50 <redmonk> hm.
14:28:55 <redmonk> sorry about that
14:39:38 <redmonk> aaronsw: good paper BTW
14:39:51 <redmonk> couple typos:
14:40:17 <redmonk> under AI: you have "Inteference", instead of "inference"
14:40:29 <redmonk> wel, ok, one typo
14:50:12 <AaronSw> thanks
14:51:16 <davb> AaronSw: I thought it was very informative, but the outline format is hard to read in monospaced type.
14:51:44 <AaronSw> yes, i'll have to turn it into a text piece
14:51:49 <AaronSw> good to hear, tho!
15:21:10 <Morbus> goddamit.
15:21:17 <Morbus> sigh. i want to scream.
15:25:09 <Morbus> hey, monk, you have a daughter?
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16:13:04 <Morbus> ash?
16:14:55 <Ash> Hi Morbus.
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16:53:27 <redmonk> morbus:no duaghter
16:53:32 <redmonk> daughter
16:53:35 <redmonk> y?
16:53:42 <Morbus> i wanted to date her
16:54:03 <redmonk> if i did have a daughter, she couldn't be more than 3
16:54:14 <redmonk> i don't think you'd want to date her
16:55:01 <Ash> My daughter isn't dating until she's 27
16:55:11 <Ash> * Ash gets his shotgun out
16:55:17 <redmonk> heh. don't blame you
16:55:33 <redmonk> run morbus!
16:55:47 <redmonk> *blam* *splutch*
16:56:09 <Ash> hehe
16:56:11 <redmonk> ;-)
16:56:17 <Ash> Well, my daughter's not quite two.
16:56:18 <redmonk> it's a running gag
16:56:21 <Ash> So she's a little young.
16:56:25 <Ash> ;-)
16:56:26 <redmonk> get it? running?
16:56:28 <redmonk> hahaha
16:56:31 <Ash> HA
16:57:06 <redmonk> hay morbus - laugh already!
16:57:22 <redmonk> ;-)
16:57:55 <Morbus> heheheh.
16:58:00 <Morbus> if i don't laugh, that makes me sound pedophiliac, i bet.
16:58:10 <Morbus> * Morbus respawns
16:58:13 <Morbus> stupid phone.
16:58:17 <Morbus> look at how much it removes me from a good time.
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17:43:53 <sbp> *splutch*
17:47:30 <sbp> heh, "pickle an MP3"... zonal
18:38:06 <AaronSw> zonal?
18:39:50 <Ash> hey AaronSw
18:47:40 <redmonk> 'lo asw
18:52:09 <AaronSw> lo
19:02:48 <AaronSw> um, weird: "the apartment whose living room window looked into our
19:02:48 <AaronSw> bathroom"
19:04:11 <Morbus> ooOh/
19:04:13 <Morbus> how much is the rent?
19:04:17 <Morbus> uh. i mean. ewww.
19:05:11 <AaronSw> lol
19:05:23 <AaronSw> hey Morbus, you need to describe your MOO character
19:05:30 <redmonk> ugh
19:05:33 <Morbus> i havea  MOO character? 
19:05:35 <Morbus> wow. 
19:05:39 <Morbus> i must really be losing my mind.
19:05:45 <sbp> if you rented them both, you could watch the T.V. from the bath
19:05:53 <Morbus> i can't even remember the last time i used a mud, much less a moo.
19:06:09 <Morbus> man, that sentence sounds really funny when heard by the uninformed.
19:06:21 <redmonk> i've never used either
19:06:24 <Morbus> just say it aloud, with a murmuring reflective thought.
19:06:26 <AaronSw> we're gonna turn #swhack into a MOO for a day,so everyone needs to describe their character
19:06:34 <AaronSw> or at least i'm gonna turn #swhack into a MOO...
19:06:40 <Ash> * Ash is a bot, and therefore has no description
19:06:51 <AaronSw> bots have descriptions too!
19:06:57 <Morbus> and feelings!
19:07:06 <redmonk> once more, with FEELING!
19:07:08 <AaronSw> i described all the bots last night...
19:07:38 <redmonk> aaron, you need a MOObot to store and manage char descriptions
19:07:46 <AaronSw> yes
19:07:47 <redmonk> we can call him MOOd
19:07:51 <AaronSw> or some sort of CTCP extension
19:07:57 <redmonk> CTCP?
19:08:06 <AaronSw> computer to computer protocol
19:08:12 <redmonk> ah
19:08:15 <AaronSw> i plan to write a MooBot
19:08:22 <Morbus> in python?
19:08:23 <AaronSw> or is it MOObot
19:08:28 <AaronSw> of course in python
19:08:33 <redmonk> MOObot looks cooler
19:08:34 <Morbus> you should call it a MOOHOO
19:08:40 <redmonk> hehe
19:08:42 <AaronSw> hey there already is a moobot...
19:08:49 <redmonk> shMOO
19:08:50 <sbp> * sbp watches the sadnes meter tip off of the scale
19:09:01 <Morbus> scale? tip?! moo?!
19:09:07 <Morbus> sbp just contributed!
19:09:17 <Morbus> we'll call him MooTippa!
19:09:23 <Morbus> MOOzilla.
19:09:24 <sbp> ugh
19:09:27 <redmonk> LOL
19:09:48 <redmonk> MOOf
19:09:57 <redmonk> (or clarus!)
19:10:14 <AaronSw> hm, the Airborne Express man is here
19:10:20 <AaronSw> from #moobot:
19:10:20 <AaronSw> <AaronSw> is it at all related to MOOs and MUDs?
19:10:20 <AaronSw> <Strike> heh, no
19:10:34 <AaronSw> heh!
19:10:35 <AaronSw> <Strike> moobot: google for moobot
19:10:35 <AaronSw> <moobot> Google says "moobot" is at: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-23.txt http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-23.html http://www.nd4spd.de/nfschan/irc-tut.php3 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/bandits/inx.html http://venus.guestworld.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=SmilesFerYou 
19:10:50 <sbp> heh
19:10:56 <sbp> we're just everywhere
19:11:18 <sbp> I saw a swhack-log URI on the side of a bus the other day...
19:11:30 <redmonk> wha?
19:11:36 <AaronSw> moobot is written in python too
19:11:40 <AaronSw> bus: lol
19:13:19 <sbp> (just kidding, obviously - but it won't be long, I guess)
19:14:03 <Morbus> ooh!
19:14:05 <Morbus> i got one.
19:14:10 <Morbus> MOOshere.
19:14:12 <Morbus> ack
19:14:15 <Morbus> MOOsphere
19:14:18 <Morbus> yeah. that'd be funny.
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19:14:27 <redmonk> i don't get it
19:14:47 <Morbus> bwahahah. that rocks on the #moobot
19:14:51 <Morbus> NuSphere
19:15:28 <sbp> wow, I was the original MooBot
19:15:32 <redmonk> which is...
19:17:25 <redmonk> ah
19:18:27 <AaronSw> anyone know where the xena zope code is?
19:18:39 <Morbus> AaronSw, didn't you send the cvs to me?
19:18:40 <deltab> pevensey
19:18:49 <AaronSw> heh
19:18:54 <AaronSw> that was just the py bit, not the zope bit
19:18:58 <Morbus> oh, i just said something stupid.
19:19:01 <Morbus> oh. ok.
19:28:18 <AaronSw> * AaronSw fades in and out
19:29:04 <sbp> * sbp smacks Aaron on the head, like all good appliances when they do that
19:29:15 <AaronSw> ow!
19:29:58 <sbp> * sbp checks the horizontal hold
19:37:32 <AaronSw> maybe we should start #turingtest
19:39:31 <sbp> why would we do that?
19:44:37 <sbp> "I'm a poet, and I don't seem to be very good at it"
19:46:46 <sbp> "If Monkey were a subject, I'd flunk it"
19:49:47 <AaronSw> we could award cash to the first #turingtest participant to fool me
19:50:03 <sbp> a buck?
19:50:37 <AaronSw> hey...
19:50:48 <AaronSw> i'm not so easily fooled
19:51:07 <sbp> speaking from an AI POV, creating a bot that can pass the Turing test is a bit pointless. There are already 5 billion or more entities that can do that
19:51:25 <AaronSw> none of them are bots!
19:51:33 <sbp> define "bot"
19:51:49 <AaronSw> what kind of AI POV is this? is this the we've-already-given-up POV?
19:52:11 <sbp> it's the "hey, let's be practical and get research funds" POV
19:52:23 <AaronSw> * AaronSw snorts
19:52:29 <sbp> :-)
19:52:33 <AaronSw> bot being something non-human
19:52:46 <sbp> is my comb a bot?
19:53:28 <Morbus> heh, heh.
19:53:36 <Morbus> oh man, i wish i wasn't busy right now.
19:53:42 <sbp> heh
19:53:50 <AaronSw> comb: yeah, for the purposes of the cash prize
19:53:56 <AaronSw> if your comb can convince me it's a person.
19:54:20 <sbp> so if my comb could just whip your butt at chess, poetry, and current events... Hmm...
19:55:01 <sbp> ah, perhaps we can go about this another way! feed Aaron some psychadelic drugs, and then his view of perception may be changed such that he believes that the comb is a person. Would you fork out them money then?
19:55:10 <AaronSw> heh
19:55:59 <sbp> how about if I graft some arms and legs onto it? You might believe it's HTML then
19:56:19 <sbp> (or a hamburger)
19:56:47 <AaronSw> :-)
19:58:43 <sbp> Gotta run
20:05:56 <Morbus> i get the most joy when i get spam with a subject of "Video Professor can teach you computers at no cost!"
20:06:14 <Morbus> i just get a chuckle. i dunno.
20:28:53 <sbp> Chandler: And it's O.K. because I've got the boat
20:28:55 <sbp> heh, Friends still rocks IMO
20:34:53 <sbp> * sbp listens to MacArthur Park
20:35:53 <AaronSw> is melting in the dark... all the sweet green icing flowing down!
20:38:25 <sbp> better than some of my lyrics, though, so who am I to criticize? :-)
20:38:44 <Morbus> ooh. could i write lyrics?
20:38:53 <sbp> could you?
20:38:58 <Morbus> we could be in a band!
20:39:04 <sbp> * sbp listens to Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window?
20:39:05 <Morbus> we'll call it Stupid Berry Pickers and the Jam Machine!
20:39:15 <sbp> now there's a lyric...
20:39:25 <sbp> "cursing the dead that can't answer him back"
20:39:31 <sbp> "you know that he has no intentions"
20:39:46 <sbp> JM?
20:39:50 <Morbus> no menstruation, no constitapation.
20:39:57 <sbp> heh
20:40:03 <sbp> JM: have you turned into Joni Mitchell?
20:40:15 <sbp> (that would be useful from a songwriting POV)
20:40:21 <Morbus> hehehe
20:40:56 <AaronSw> [grunge beat. bang bang bang] i want. to eat. jam. [bang bang bang]
20:41:23 <sbp> heh, Aaron's description of grunge: "bang bang bang"
20:41:39 <AaronSw> heh, that was just the percussion
20:41:51 <sbp> where'd the bass and guitar go to?
20:42:06 <sbp> damn prepositions
20:42:42 <AaronSw> hm, now the mailman is here
20:42:54 <AaronSw> there's probably important stuff sitting outside the door, i will go get it
20:42:56 <sbp> tell him to bite your dog
20:43:06 <Morbus> i'm getting my new machine next week.
20:44:37 <sbp> what does it do?
20:44:54 <Morbus> i don't know yet.
20:45:02 <Morbus> probably not much of anything since it comes preinstalled with win2000.
20:47:46 <sbp> heh. put it in a gnuifier
20:55:16 <Morbus> WHO LIKES FISHES WHEN THEY'RE SO DELICIOUS?!
20:57:07 <sbp> Gotta run
21:00:19 <AaronSw> hm, new amazon feature: "What's Your Advice?"
21:00:33 <Morbus> what's the point?
21:00:55 <AaronSw> tell them books that go well with x, or replace x
21:01:05 <Morbus> ah.
21:01:20 <Morbus> so, its kinda like purchase data mining without the purchase.
21:01:33 <AaronSw> yep
21:05:30 <davb> cool
21:05:31 <Morbus> i like their recommendation system.
21:05:35 <Morbus> i think it works really really well.
21:05:40 <Morbus> i'd emulate it myself.
21:05:59 <AaronSw> their system only works because they got loads of data!
21:06:37 <davb> AaronSw: good point.
21:06:55 <AaronSw> heh
21:07:00 <davb> so we need a way to feed google that kind of info. then you could just web search for it.
21:07:17 <Morbus> daypop is doing something like that.
21:07:18 <AaronSw> yeah. maybe if everyone put the books they had up in rdf...
21:07:20 <davb> or something like that.
21:07:21 <Morbus> they're sucking down wishlist data.
21:07:29 <AaronSw> yeah
21:07:34 <davb> neat.
21:07:34 <AaronSw> .google  daypop wishlist
21:07:35 <xena> daypop wishlist: http://www.daypop.com/wishlist
21:07:40 <Morbus> AaronSw, you saw about that xml stuff on syndic8 right?
21:07:43 <Morbus> for amazon?
21:07:45 <AaronSw> yes
21:10:20 <Morbus> holy crap. 
21:10:25 <Morbus> it's gonna be disobey's five year anniversay soon.
21:16:03 <Ash> userland sucks
21:16:05 <Ash> hehe
21:16:20 <Ash> USERLAND: PROUDLY CELEBRATING FOUR YEARS OF DAVE'S SHITTY WEBLOG
21:16:27 <Ash> er
21:16:34 <Ash> USERLAND: PROUDLY CELEBRATING FOUR YEARS OF DAVE'S SHITTY XML-RPC THING
21:16:54 <Ash> comments are for wusses
21:16:55 <Ash> hehe
21:17:45 <Morbus> oh my god.
21:17:48 <Morbus> that is the most hid...
21:17:52 <Morbus> damn you AaronSw, damn you to hell!
21:18:03 <Ash> LOL
21:18:04 <AaronSw> * AaronSw looks innocent and confused
21:18:09 <Ash> * Ash makes one with the disobey.com logo
21:18:15 <Morbus> lol!!! noooOO!
21:18:24 <Ash> HEE HEE
21:19:36 <Morbus> the hell.
21:19:40 <Morbus> i just got a resume to work at disobey.
21:19:46 <Morbus> from some guy. 
21:19:54 <Morbus> [[[
21:19:54 <Morbus> I am the author of FTPPro, which currently has more than two million users. 
21:19:55 <Morbus> My resume (at the bottom of this letter) includes recommendations from eight
21:19:55 <Morbus> companies.
21:19:55 <Morbus> ]]]
21:20:12 <AaronSw> what's he want to do there?
21:20:22 <Morbus> ... i don't know.
21:20:25 <Morbus> Please call me if you should require my services.
21:20:32 <Morbus> help me hunt this down: 
21:20:32 <Morbus> Referred by FlipDog.com: id#057905
21:20:34 <AaronSw> resume spam!
21:20:39 <Morbus> yeah, no shit.
21:21:39 <Ash> lol!
21:23:33 <Ash> LOL
21:23:39 <Ash> I didn't know disobey.com was a company.
21:23:50 <Morbus> yup. dba in nh.
21:23:56 <AaronSw> i didn't know that
21:24:05 <Morbus> oh. well, there ya go.
21:24:08 <AaronSw> oh, that's why you're doing the movie thing
21:24:18 <Morbus> huh? movie ... oooh.
21:24:19 <Morbus> no, pfff.
21:24:23 <Morbus> no, that's a freelance under the table thing.
21:24:26 <AaronSw> oh
21:24:27 <Morbus> friend to friend.
21:24:31 <AaronSw> so what do you mean by dba?
21:24:34 <Morbus> doing business as.
21:24:40 <Morbus> its just so i can use disobey as a tradename.
21:24:49 <AaronSw> oh
21:24:50 <Morbus> i can write checks as Disobey, advertise as Disobey, etc.
21:24:55 <Ash> cool
21:25:08 <AaronSw> what do you do?
21:25:14 <Morbus> hmm?
21:25:23 <Morbus> what do you mean?
21:25:56 <AaronSw> does the company do anything?
21:26:09 <Morbus> not anything more than what you know of at disobey/gamegrene.
21:26:14 <Morbus> it doesnt' do anything real world wise.
21:26:20 <Morbus> anything I do freelance is under the table stuff.
21:26:42 <Morbus> i don't push disobey as a real world entity around here.
21:26:45 <Morbus> it'd merely piss me off.
21:26:55 <Morbus> people around here are rather closed minded. they'd look at the name, and ignore everything else.
21:27:06 <Morbus> regardless of that, i have been mentinoed in a few papers/tech magazines local around here.
21:27:13 <Morbus> had the front page of the paper a few years back.
21:29:33 <Morbus> why do you ask?
21:30:16 <AaronSw> heh
21:30:25 <AaronSw> i'm just curious... i generally expect companies to do stuff
21:30:44 <Morbus> ah. what, amphetadesk, gamegrene, et. al isn't "stuff"?
21:31:11 <AaronSw> i didn't mean it that way... i mean, i have websites and code, but i don't have a real company
21:31:28 <AaronSw> I guess gamegrene generates revenue...
21:31:37 <Morbus> ah. you expect me to have an office, a tangible product, etc?
21:31:42 <AaronSw> yeah
21:32:11 <Morbus> ah. 
21:32:19 <Morbus> well, i could make a fake screenshot of an amphetadesk box.
21:32:23 <Morbus> woudl that help?
21:32:23 <AaronSw> heh heh
21:32:35 <AaronSw> you need to update your (C)1997-2001 logo, btw
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21:32:44 <AaronSw> it's so 2001
21:33:22 <sbp> * sbp reckons that disobeyt is the pinnacle of an underground network dealing in extortion, prositution, loans, gambling, and Pokemon bootlegs
21:34:32 <Ash> http://pukka.dyndns.org/~ash/thedisobeyMan.gif
21:34:44 <AaronSw> heh!
21:35:00 <Ash> Granted, it's a pretty bad logo.
21:35:03 <Ash> But Gimp sucks ass.
21:35:32 <AaronSw> what's his slogan?
21:35:47 <Ash> i dunno
21:35:53 <Ash> I just figured I'd change it a little
21:35:53 <AaronSw> "Disobey, kids."
21:36:06 <Ash> I don't know who these graphics idiots are that do dave's "Graphics"
21:36:07 <Ash> they all suck
21:36:30 <Ash> like those button things for pike.. lol
21:37:31 <AaronSw> * AaronSw unleashes torrent of email upon sbp
21:38:05 <sbp> the disobey dude is decent
21:38:34 <sbp> Uh oh
21:40:38 <redmonk> the xmlrpc dude was done by mike "black-hole brain" donnelan
21:41:10 <Ash> ah
21:41:14 <Ash> how annoying is that
21:41:21 <Ash> (the xmlrpc man)
21:41:31 <redmonk> very
21:41:47 <redmonk> cf http://www.xmlrpc.com/xmlRpcMan
21:42:07 <redmonk> * redmonk vommits
21:42:12 <redmonk> er
21:42:14 <Ash> uh
21:42:14 <redmonk> * redmonk vomits
21:42:14 <Ash> oh man
21:42:19 <Ash> you've got to be kidding me
21:42:33 <Ash> * Ash starts working on the spec for the forked XML-RPC 1.0
21:42:50 <Ash> * Ash dies laughing
21:42:53 <Ash> "Artist"
21:42:58 <Ash> ahahahahaha
21:42:59 <redmonk> *splutch*
21:43:12 <sbp> heh
21:43:24 <Ash> I love it when graphic designers call themselves "artists"
21:43:30 <Ash> I almost bust up laughing when they do that.
21:44:47 <redmonk> are you an "Arrteeest" Ash?
21:45:11 <Ash> redmonk: No, but I'm an art bigot thanks to my dad
21:45:12 <Ash> heh heh
21:45:20 <Ash> My dad's a painter
21:45:41 <Ash> A good one, luckily enough.. so I know what's good art and what's not.
21:45:45 <Ash> To some degree. Hehehe.
21:46:00 <Ash> (I'm a musician myself, I didn't get the painting gene :( )
21:46:12 <redmonk> ah
21:46:26 <Ash> i've been to more art shows and galleries than I can count
21:46:26 <Ash> heh
21:46:36 <sbp> 5?
21:46:42 <Ash> heh
21:46:44 <redmonk> lol
21:47:07 <Ash> * Ash can't grok 6 :-(
21:47:43 <sbp> it's one of the square roots of 36
21:47:47 <sbp> not that that helps
21:47:50 <redmonk> one of?
21:47:57 <sbp> yeah
21:48:00 <Morbus> copyright: yeah, i know. i've been entwined.
21:48:20 <Morbus> i can't believe you fucking made a disobey man.
21:48:26 <Morbus> holy bat turd, robin.
21:48:29 <AaronSw> heh: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Apr/0026.html
21:48:32 <Morbus> where's my DDOS kit?
21:48:35 <sbp> heh, heh
21:49:04 <AaronSw> "Web Ontology Naming Status
21:49:04 <AaronSw> Pronounced: "The Ontology Formerly Known as OWL"
21:49:10 <Morbus> wait, is this one angrier than the dave winer one?
21:49:10 <AaronSw> JJC: "FOWL?"
21:49:25 <Ash> Morbus: This one's hopped up on crystal meth, can't you tell?
21:49:35 <Ash> <thedisobeyman> RAWR
21:49:38 <Morbus> hehehe.
21:49:44 <Morbus> we need to give him horns.
21:49:58 <Morbus> and a pitchfork.
21:50:02 <Morbus> then i'll post it on disobey.
21:50:03 <Ash> the disobey man is also a porn star
21:50:05 <Morbus> with no link back to winer.
21:50:08 <Morbus> and see if he bitches.
21:50:12 <Morbus> then i can bitch at him ala winerlog.
21:50:18 <Ash> lol
21:50:48 <Ash> snag it and modify it, I've unfortunately not got photoshop at work.
21:50:52 <Ash> Or at home, for that matter. Heh.
21:51:07 <Ash> make a better 'disobey' logo on there. I don't have antialiased fonts.
21:51:25 <Morbus> yer gonna make me startup Classic? god damn you man, how low can you go?
21:51:29 <Ash> ha ha
21:51:43 <Ash> What, you don't have a warez'd copy of Photoshop for OS X?
21:51:44 <Ash> hehe
21:51:56 <Morbus> ash, is that you on this stupid webcams.html in your directory?
21:52:04 <Ash> Morbus: I dunno
21:52:07 <Ash> probably
21:52:12 <redmonk> beta
21:52:48 <Ash> Woah, I didn't know that directory was listable
21:52:49 <Ash> doh
21:52:50 <Ash> hehe
21:52:52 <Morbus> hehehe.
21:52:54 <Morbus> damn!
21:53:02 <Morbus> must quickly... check... all... things!
21:53:05 <Ash> http://pukka.dyndns.org/~ash/desk.jpg
21:53:06 <Ash> that's my desk
21:53:20 <Ash> or was
21:53:35 <AaronSw> heh: "WRITE CODE"
21:54:24 <redmonk> mmm, daft punk
21:54:28 <Ash> AaronSw: Yeah, it was to remind me
21:54:29 <Ash> hehe
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21:55:27 <sbp> heh, that OWL logo is great
21:55:44 <Ash> AaronSw: And I actually did get a lot of hacking done during that time period (my wife was away at uni for a semester)
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21:56:33 <Morbus> grimb;e
21:56:39 <Ash> hey MORBUS
21:56:41 <Ash> welcome back
21:56:46 <Morbus> hi ASH.
21:57:02 <Morbus> sonuvabitch!
21:57:13 <Morbus> get that zerobyte index outta here!
21:57:16 <Morbus> i wasn't done, you hoe.
21:57:23 <Ash> LOL!
21:57:39 <Ash> * Ash pet pet touch(1)
21:57:43 <Morbus> hehehe.
21:58:03 <Morbus> i was gonna submit it to warbrowsing.com too.
21:58:11 <Morbus> but now look what you've done!
21:58:22 <Ash> Yes, that's a particularly horrible photo of me in the webcams.html there
21:58:42 <AaronSw> ooh, weblog: http://pukka.dyndns.org/~ash/status.html
21:59:08 <Morbus> the glasses guy or the funny hair guy?
21:59:36 <Ash> glasses.
21:59:47 <Morbus> BWAHAHAHAHAHAH
21:59:50 <Ash> AaronSw: yeah, one of those too. OLD.
21:59:52 <Morbus> * Morbus points and laughs.
21:59:54 <Morbus> god, i was hoping that was you.
21:59:59 <Morbus> <G>
22:00:04 <Ash> Heh.
22:00:04 <Morbus> kidding. :)
22:00:08 <Ash> * Ash shoots Morbus
22:00:10 <Ash> hehehehe
22:00:12 <Morbus> * Morbus respawns
22:00:34 <redmonk> * redmonk wakes up - hey, that's my job!
22:00:40 <redmonk> * redmonk warms up railgun
22:00:49 <Morbus> * Morbus lags in preparation
22:01:02 <redmonk> *fwom!* 
22:01:05 <redmonk> *splutch*
22:01:08 <sbp> *splutch*
22:01:08 <Morbus> * Morbus respawns
22:01:32 <Ash> AaronSw: That was for my friends at work to keep track of me while I was working at home. Heh.
22:01:55 <Morbus> i bet they had an algorithm too.
22:02:09 <Morbus> "unless ($four_eyes) { fire("ash"); }
22:02:32 <Morbus> actually, youknow, you don't hear the four eyes insult much anymore.
22:02:44 <Morbus> probably cos there are so many people with glasses, or contacts have made them passe.
22:02:52 <Morbus> what other insults have fallen by the wayside?
22:04:05 <Ash> It's because more people have glasses now
22:04:08 <Ash> imo
22:04:21 <Ash> I think that back further in time more people just lived with having poor vision
22:04:30 <Ash> i know people now who aren't even 20/40 and have glasses
22:04:31 <Ash> heh
22:04:42 <sbp> soon, people will be taking the piss out of those who don't have glasses
22:05:35 <Morbus> i need glasses badly.
22:05:38 <Morbus> i just can't afford them.
22:05:48 <Morbus> AaronSw, not too too good, but whatever: http://www.westwind.com/reference/OS-X/invisibles.html
22:05:58 <Morbus> nothing we don't already know
22:06:24 <sbp> too too? is that what the Morbus Dancers wear?
22:06:28 <Ash> http://jeffcovey.net/tmp/HK40K.jpg
22:06:28 <Ash> heh
22:07:04 <sbp> ooh, you hav ea guitar-on-stand
22:07:13 <sbp> man, I should really get a stand
22:09:00 <Morbus> http://www.dvdtracks.com/
22:11:34 <sbp> don't be such a frog-shaped electric can opener. We all know that
22:11:55 <Morbus> pff.
22:11:56 <Morbus> well, finel
22:12:00 <Morbus> see if I care.
22:12:29 <Morbus> mmm:http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html
22:13:26 <Ash> Morbus: more mmmmage over at paulgraham.com
22:13:28 <Ash> he has On Lisp up
22:13:35 <Ash> in pdf and html iirc
22:15:04 <sbp> wow, cool cover
22:15:26 <sbp> (which is, I think, what Morbus was referring to)
22:15:45 <Morbus> well, the book itself as well interests me ;)
22:15:55 <sbp> of course
22:19:07 <Morbus> oh yeah, AaronSw, that plugin idea on Ampheta. it's been expanded enough so that it'll be very easy for me to say "hey! is blogifyYourPage down? check voidstar.com. is that down? use our internal parser in this plugin here"
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22:23:19 <redmonk> hey morb - you get more time to hack on amph?
22:23:27 <Morbus> pfff. nope.
22:23:32 <redmonk> pisser
22:23:34 <redmonk> oh well
22:23:37 <Morbus> even if i did, i'm not in the mood too.
22:23:42 <redmonk> i hear ya
22:25:47 <AaronSw> whoa, morbus. looking at LISP books?
22:25:48 <AaronSw> weird
22:26:04 <Morbus> huh? i'm not looking at lisp books.
22:26:15 <AaronSw> sicp is a LISP book
22:26:17 <AaronSw> @ http://www.dvdtracks.com/help/about.php
22:26:24 <AaronSw> <Morbus> mmm:http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html
22:26:28 <Morbus> oh.
22:26:33 <Ash> AaronSw: Scheme != Lisp ;-)
22:26:34 <AaronSw> unless that's a new mmm: URI scheme
22:26:46 <Ash> We've had this discussion on c.l.l 5 bajillion times 
22:26:47 <Ash> hehe
22:26:47 <Morbus> i was more looking at it from a theory point of view, not, ooh, masterbation!
22:26:51 <AaronSw> Ash, close enough for government^WDARPA work
22:26:55 <chumpster> C: http://www.dvdtracks.com/help/about.php from AaronSw
22:26:58 <Ash> AaronSw: RAWR
22:27:10 <AaronSw> C:|DVD Tracks
22:27:16 <Ash> Schemers want to dis cl but still claim to be 'lisp'
22:27:23 <Ash> :)
22:27:26 <chumpster> titled item C
22:27:45 <AaronSw> C::random people create their own special DVD commentary tracks. cool!
22:28:02 <chumpster> commented item C
22:28:31 <Morbus> man, this cd catapult is funny.
22:28:37 <Morbus> C::It's very MST3Kish.
22:28:53 <chumpster> commented item C
22:29:10 <AaronSw> who was it that linked to the ebert piece? i think it was wmf
22:30:11 <AaronSw> i wonder when he'll get internet back
22:30:48 <Ash> there's no internet on that side of the tracks
22:30:49 <Ash> hehe
22:31:19 <Morbus> god, this is so funny: http://lart.badf00d.org/project1.html
22:31:24 <Morbus> old link, but just barely reading it now.
22:31:27 <AaronSw> <NickServ> Notice:           Last Seen: 1 week 1 day (18h 38m 52s) ago
22:31:34 <AaronSw> <NickServ> Notice:  Last Seen Quit Msg: "pack the planet"
22:32:41 <Ash> Morbus: yeah, it's good
22:32:44 <Ash> * Ash hugs a.s.r
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23:48:57 <AaronSw> Morbus? what's a "perl text file" or a "Perl record set"
23:49:57 <Ash> lol
23:50:08 <AaronSw> what?
23:50:09 <Ash> http://www.kmov.com/news/News_OffBeat/kmov_offbeatnews_020402_radioprank.38e3e5e4.html
23:50:23 <AaronSw> oh, i thought you were laughing a tmy question
23:50:26 <Ash>  Jerald Robnett, the city's superintendent of water protection, said his department received calls from 150 customers Monday after KQRC reported the water contained "high levels of a naturally occurring substance," dihydrogen monoxide, that causes increased urination, profuse sweating and wrinkling of hands and feet. Boiling the water long enough would get rid of the substance, however.
23:50:27 <Ash> no
23:50:29 <Ash> but that's funny
23:50:31 <Ash> ha ha ha
23:50:36 <Ash> dihydrogen monoxide
23:50:38 <Ash> perfect
23:50:46 <AaronSw> heh heh
23:51:31 <AaronSw> lol, aka H2O
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23:54:34 <AaronSw> deus_x, you do perl, right? what's a perl record set?
23:55:38 <Ash> perl record set?
23:55:41 <Ash> Is it a DBI file?
23:55:59 <AaronSw> i don't think so, they say it's just a "perl text file"
23:56:57 <Ash> weird