00:09:12 synk (~synk@D5778457.kabel.telenet.be) has joined #swhack 00:29:05 hey synk 00:29:59 N.B. this channel is logged to the Web; prefix what you say with "# " to make an off log remark; yadda yadda 00:30:40 * sbp tries out some Unicode editors 00:31:18 one of them (Unipad) is really good, but it seems to be crash-prone 00:33:55 in fact, if it wasn't for the instablity and the expiration date, this thing would just rock 00:34:42 for example: I had a \uXXXX bit of text that I wanted converted into a character... 00:34:58 I just selected and right clicked it, and there's a menu function to convert it! 00:43:39 heh, heh:- 00:43:40 [[[ 00:43:41 If you wanted, for example, to give each "instance of a character on paper throughout history" its own code, you might need trillions or quadrillions of such codes; noble as this effort might be, you would not use Unicode for such an encoding. 00:43:46 ]]] - http://www.unicode.org/unicode/faq/utf_bom.html#9 00:46:26 aww 00:48:01 yeah. shame, eh? :-) 00:51:02 Hmm... it would be possible, for all files that had a unicode interpretation, to give a URI to every single character 00:51:14 as long as those files had a URI themselves, that is 00:52:46 http://example.org/2002-03-30T17-15-20/37/http://www.w3.org/ 00:52:46 the 37th character in www.w3.org on that particular date 00:54:07 which happens to be an "H" 00:54:43 CygBot (~sbp@m522-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 00:55:21 $ python -c "import urllib2; print '"%s"' % urllib2.urlopen('http://www.w3.org/').read()[36]" 00:55:28 > H 00:55:28 > [end] 00:55:59 CygBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:59:22 i'm freee! 00:59:40 to do what? 00:59:52 to use electricity again 00:59:55 or is that your John Humphries impression? 01:00:03 who's synk? 01:00:20 so you consider following an ancient tradition to be some sort of inprisionment? 01:00:23 dunno 01:00:36 * AaronSw googles for "John Humphries" 01:00:38 .wn free 01:00:39 free defined as: 01:00:40 - adj 1: able to act at will; not hampered; not under compulsion or restraint; "free enterprise"; "a free port"; "a free country"; "I have an hour free"; "free will"; "free of racism"; "feel free to stay as long as you wish" [ant: {unfree}] 01:00:41 - 2: (chemistry and physics) unconstrained or not chemically bound in a molecule or not fixed and capable of relatively unrestricted motion; "free expansion"; "free oxygen"; "a free electron" [ant: {bound}] 01:00:42 - 3: costing nothing; "complimentary tickets" [syn: {complimentary}, {costless}, {gratis(p)}, {gratuitous}] 01:00:43 - 4: not occupied or in use; "a free locker" 01:00:52 "not hampered" 01:00:53 ah, it was occupied 01:00:59 heh 01:01:04 :-) 01:01:19 * sbp changes his clocks 01:01:52 is tomorrow april fools or something? 01:03:11 as a matter of fact... 01:03:50 it is (technically), but that's not why I'm changing them :-) 01:05:23 so why are you changing them? 01:06:46 .google site:lists.w3.org Sean B. Palmer www-qa XHTML rant 01:06:46 site:lists.w3.org Sean B. Palmer www-qa XHTML rant: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa/2001Sep/0013.html&e=922 01:06:56 BST, of course 01:10:41 It's summer already over there? 01:10:50 Don't you normally wait until the solstice? 01:11:33 we can't wait! impatient lot 01:12:32 sbp has changed the topic to: if java and perl jump off a bridge... python is sure to follow ... with strict indenting required 01:13:33 heh! 01:15:00 * AaronSw adds britney mispellings to his google blog... should have thought of that before. 01:17:18 synk has left #swhack 02:03:31 Aaron, you're loqutentious. 02:03:39 .wn loqutentious 02:04:00 it means "eminently quotable" 02:04:01 .google loqutentious 02:04:02 no results found. 02:04:16 Thanks, I guess. 02:04:18 concept courtesy of Terje Bless 02:04:28 Heh, thanks Terje. 02:06:07 .time 02:06:07 2002/03/31 02:06:06.90032 Universal 02:06:18 .time 02:06:18 2002/03/31 02:06:18.3514 Universal 02:06:24 lol 02:07:29 11.45108 seconds, FYI 02:25:43 Zim: "Computer, tell me about the FBI." 02:25:50 Computer: "The FBI is a government agency." 02:25:54 Zim: "Go on...." 02:26:00 Computer: "That's all I know." 02:26:12 Zim: "That's all?! Can't you just make an educated guess?" 02:26:31 Computer: "Um, OK... the FBI was founded in 1492 by, um, evil demons...." 02:26:48 remarkably accurate guess 02:27:37 1492: isn't that when Columbus found some crummy continent getting in the way of Asia? 02:27:46 I believe so. 02:28:03 although I recall it was an island, not a continent 02:28:23 close enough. anyway, he didn't discover it 02:28:38 for two reasons 02:28:58 reminds me of stan freeberg's USA: 02:29:17 Columbus to Indians: "Mind if I take a few of you back home to prove I discovered you?" 02:29:26 Indian: "You discover us? We discover you!" 02:29:30 Columbus: "Huh?" 02:29:41 Indian: "We discover you on beachead here. Is all how you look at it." 02:29:48 Columbus: "Hmm, I guess so." 02:30:03 heh, heh. that's the second reason 03:21:16 clear 03:22:08 Homer: We're here, we're clear, we don't want any more bears 03:22:24 lol 03:22:51 Where oh where did my '/' key go... again. 03:23:04 aha 03:23:23 the other day, I kept mixing up / and \ 03:23:29 I think it was when I was feverish 03:23:39 so I'd be doing:- 03:23:42 \nick sbp 03:23:53 followed by an obligatory 03:23:56 Grpgmrpmgprmgh 03:24:05 ah yes... dfkgjhdgjh 03:24:10 no... 03:24:12 Grpmgprmgprmgpmh 03:24:37 .google Grgpmrgpmrgph 03:24:38 no results found. 03:24:42 Pff 03:24:53 I did it once, and it came up with the swhacklogs 03:25:11 nice 03:25:12 an interesting little fluke was it 03:25:48 * sbp seems to have lapsed into "hi. you are reading my words" mode 03:26:09 Mixing up / and \ reminds me of times when I forget basic emacs keybindings... normally call it a day when that happens. 03:26:33 * sbp adds that to his list of reasons to avoid emacs 03:27:11 I tend to avoid text editors that can make the morning's coffee and toast anyway 03:40:53 Heh, Evan Williams was born on April 1 03:41:06 you're joking, right? 03:41:20 nope 03:41:31 Unless he is. 03:54:39 @ http://parslow.com/mornington/move.pl?73&quick&extend=all 03:54:51 also: http://parslow.com/mornington/move.pl?165&quick&extend=all 03:55:12 A: http://parslow.com/mornington/move.pl?73&quick&extend=all from AaronSw 03:55:21 A:|Mornington Dictionary (2002 ed.) 03:55:29 A:|Mornington Dictionary (1999 ed.) 03:55:37 titled item A 03:55:42 A::see also [the 2002 ed.|http://parslow.com/mornington/move.pl?165&quick&extend=all] 03:55:48 A:: a game almost built for me 03:55:54 titled item A 03:56:11 commented item A 03:56:13 A::hey! you can't prove that I said that 03:56:27 commented item A 03:56:44 commented item A 03:57:50 yeah, I'll comment you 03:58:22 hm? 04:01:10 what does that *mean* exactly 04:01:12 wibble 04:01:23 so, anyway, how's by you? 04:13:06 * AaronSw starts in on Operation Swhack Catch-up 04:13:25 my advice? don't bother 04:13:41 No, I have a personal goal to read every line of #swhack 04:14:05 When I stop doing that, that's when it's time to kill the channel. 04:14:10 heh, heh 04:14:17 I'm not gonna let this be another FoRK, dammit! 04:14:19 ;-) 04:14:20 as if you could/would 04:14:29 hah, just watch me! 04:14:30 pun intended? 04:14:37 /kickban * 04:15:16 we'd just move to #thenewswhack 04:15:44 fine with me 04:17:18 I think we should start a "PaulP, please write an article on RDF for us!" petition ;) 04:17:41 deal 04:21:22 what kind of article? 04:21:52 talli (~talli@ip64-75-147-40.dial.maui.net) has joined #swhack 04:23:41 like the REST one, but about RDF 04:23:44 maui, eh? 04:25:00 sorry 04:25:03 yes, maui 04:25:52 anyone get bumped off of the AIM servers using GAIM? 04:26:39 * AaronSw kicks xena 04:26:42 Why isn't she logging? 04:30:31 * AaronSw bursts with laughter at if I had said "spawniness", although technically incorrect, it would have made the phrase above much more entertaining, hillarious, and jazzy. I apologize for misleading the public in this way, and hope that everyone missed this comic blunder. thank you for your time 04:30:54 oh wow! that's brilliant! 04:31:17 * sbp was sooooo out of it 04:31:28 * AaronSw spends several minutes parsing arseholistictockaymartistictokay 04:31:55 wow, sbp really got going there 04:32:10 * sbp reads the logs too... bizarre 04:32:50 ooh! that's right by my mirrors rant 04:33:49 just to note that I'm tired and ill, so the http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-03-28.txt log should probably be chucked into the well 04:34:20 * AaronSw makes loud chirp-like laughing noise @ anyway, I think we should have a closedown routine like, we play the national anthem and then switch over the teletext yep. poor me 04:35:12 :-) 04:35:22 I like the singing bit 04:35:30 boom boom 04:35:59 heh, i remember this: 04:35:59 15:08:42 the sleeper awakens! 04:35:59 15:08:49 no 04:36:17 noah or ben or someone was typing in response to the t2s on the speakers i forgot to turn down the volume on 04:36:32 15:11:46 can anyone tell my why i get an IndentationError with this code? 04:36:32 15:12:05 there's an error in your indentation 04:37:04 t2s? 04:37:10 text to speech 04:37:12 heh! 04:37:20 @ error in your indentation 04:37:35 did you miss: It'd be cool if xena could make phone calls -- t2s and s2t needed, tho 04:37:43 lfcuser == student(AaronSw) 04:37:46 Yep 04:38:06 it was sorta cool. notZakim reminded me to catch the train. thanks technology! 04:38:22 I was there just after that 04:39:12 wow, did you skip a day or something? 04:40:05 skip a day? 04:40:09 yeah 04:40:13 how so? 04:40:32 whoa, this jarv and geryon stuff is weird 04:40:34 in your catching up with swhack parade love-fest thing 04:40:52 no, i was just mentioning that because it used the term t2s 04:41:14 ah, right 04:41:19 yeah, that stuff was weird 04:42:12 * jillium thinks of the interiors of stars, where hydrogen is turned into staplers. 04:42:49 heh: 20:09:56 "One can of red goo, please" 04:43:15 "* jillium loops infinitely" was based on [OLM] 04:43:26 argh, where is this OLM? it's not in my logs... 04:43:28 and then we got K-lined again! 04:43:44 oh, actually, that was the first time 04:44:36 heh:- 04:44:36 23:36:06 wow 04:44:36 23:47:59 wow? 04:44:36 23:48:15 wow! 04:44:50 ah, here's the olm stuff 04:46:15 shortly after we got K-lined for the second time:- 04:46:15 01:23:51 * sbp tries to get as much chatting done as possible before he's K-lined again 04:46:28 heh 04:48:04 anyway, smeggle 04:48:07 Gotta run 04:48:22 hey! i was gonna ask for logs 04:48:25 from the k-lined period 04:49:36 so people have been wondering about loggy 04:49:48 I'm thinking about moving logs off of calliope over to vorpal 04:49:52 and loggy is on vorpal 04:50:01 this will mean a change in URL to notabug from blogspace 04:50:04 (most likely) 04:51:21 .time 04:51:22 2002/03/31 04:51:21.5119 Universal 04:51:35 .time bst 04:51:35 Mar. 31, 2002 5:51 am GMT+1 04:53:01 I wasn't going to break uris, the question is whether to redirect them, or simply keep the old logs where they are 04:54:52 .time est 04:54:52 Mar. 30, 2002 11:54 pm US/Eastern 05:01:06 it's weird reading what i write in the logs 05:01:23 i have the same reaction as hearing my voice recorded: "I sound so different!' 05:05:58 * AaronSw reads sbp on hash collisions. the prob with that is that then you can verify the hash 05:12:13 * AaronSw plows thru "unread" messages 05:25:30 inbox is down to 635 messages 05:43:21 wow, i've completed my goal of listening to every song on http://www.monkey.sbay.org/~kristen/beatles/songs/alpha.html 05:43:27 except "you won't see me" 05:59:07 PaulP: "Resources (data objects) are like children. They need to have names if they are to participate in society." 06:21:43 hm, flights to boston only $176 06:23:08 Thinking of visiting me :-) 06:23:27 heh, i forgot you were around there 06:23:33 how's april 23? ;) 06:23:51 I will be around. 06:24:13 Just let me know if you want to meet somewhere. 06:25:00 cool. i won't be there for very long (10-5ish) but it'd be nice to meet up 06:25:13 well, 10-7, actually 06:35:42 .time est 06:35:43 Mar. 31, 2002 1:35 am US/Eastern 06:55:20 http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-3.html 06:57:44 Neat CSS trick: http://www.michaelbernstein.com/weblog/ 06:57:51 notice how the sidebar follows you as you scroll 07:06:56 .time est 07:06:57 Mar. 31, 2002 2:06 am US/Eastern 07:31:22 talli has quit ("Client Exiting") 07:38:37 * AaronSw is away: sleep 08:56:25 oierw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:56:28 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 09:33:48 oierw` has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:34:31 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 10:02:31 oierw` has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:02:31 sbp has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:02:31 xena has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 10:03:31 oierw` (~mathew@pcp994425pcs.goosck01.sc.comcast.net) has joined #swhack 10:03:31 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:03:31 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 12:45:26 kham (kmnguyen@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu) has joined #swhack 12:53:25 kham has left #swhack 14:12:24 Gotta run 14:55:27 fortune: Didja hear about the tribe that worshiped zero? Is nothing sacred? 14:55:48 er, there should be a [beat] in between those two lines 15:08:55 hmm, massinova sounds really cool. but aaargh, it's down! 16:30:21 wow, RU files are bloaty 16:30:31 gotta delete my weblogsComData.root -- it's 114MB! 16:31:12 @ http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/29/ibook_linux.html 16:31:49 B: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/29/ibook_linux.html from AaronSw 16:31:56 B:|iBooks Love Linux 16:32:06 B::by Edd Dumbill 16:32:13 titled item B 16:32:25 B::A tale of Edd's conversion from Intel laptops to Apple hardware, but still running Debian GNU/Linux 16:32:30 commented item B 16:32:47 commented item B 16:33:26 B::"I was slightly amused by the vacuum-suction effect when you minimized a window, but in general found the system pleasant to use." 16:33:42 commented item B 16:38:37 B::"There are some cute surprises too: the first time I put the iBook to sleep, it was late at night and dark in my office. I nearly fell off my chair when I noticed the book "breathing in its sleep" with a little white light next to the lid clasp slowly pulsating." 16:38:53 commented item B 17:21:52 wow, freed up 10GB there 17:23:57 ah, `chflags -R nouchg,noschg [...]` will unlock files 17:24:01 on OS X 17:38:46 * AaronSw updates http://www.aaronsw.com/movies/ 17:53:48 heh, my death scene in the telenovela was great 19:54:06 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-102-26.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 19:54:20 hey there. how'd the deploy go? 19:55:48 ugh 19:55:52 rather not talk about i 19:55:54 t 19:55:57 heh 19:56:04 heh, that bad, eh? 19:56:09 i'm going to need tharapy i think ;-) 19:56:27 suffice it to say that the old version is still up 19:56:49 19:56:52 how're you? 19:56:52 ick 19:56:55 yeah 19:56:58 how was passover? 19:57:04 i'm doing alright. pretty good, thanks 19:57:23 cool 19:57:28 now i just have to survive a couple more days of no bread 19:57:41 which shouldn't be hard 19:57:42 ah. 19:57:44 yeah 19:57:48 saltines, baby! 19:57:54 heh heh 19:57:56 and peanut butter. yum. 19:58:18 where did you do your seder? 19:58:24 any idea how to label items with the color sorta things in mac os x? 19:58:30 huh? 19:58:32 first night was at my grandma's, second night was here 19:58:36 cool 19:58:42 like in os 9? 19:58:45 yeah 19:58:46 (labels?) 19:58:48 no idea 19:58:48 "Hot Items", "Cool" 19:58:53 that thing 19:58:54 i don' think it has them 19:59:07 i need it for retrospect.... 19:59:16 ah 19:59:18 hm. 19:59:33 i may recall a 3rd party thing that gives you labels 19:59:43 try versiontracker maybe? 19:59:50 (or google) 19:59:57 i've been a googling 19:59:57 need to run 19:59:59 k 20:00:01 cya 20:00:01 cya 20:00:02 redmonk has quit ("cya") 20:00:06 * AaronSw checks VT 20:06:08 oh, applescript can mess with them 20:12:53 no, that won't work 20:17:30 woohoo! XRay will do it 20:17:35 cf. http://www.versiontracker.com/redir.fcgi/kind=1&db=mac&id=12103/XRay10.dmg.sit 20:18:01 err, that's the download page. description is at 20:18:03 @ http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=12103&db=mac 20:18:36 C: http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=12103&db=mac from AaronSw 20:18:46 C:|XRay 1.0 20:19:04 titled item C 20:19:21 C::Allows you to change Classic OS 9 "labels" from OS X, which I needed for the newly released Retrospect 5.0 for X. 20:19:37 commented item C 20:43:13 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack 21:04:27 Converting an administrative server to maint5. 21:13:43 * sbp waves 21:18:21 hello there 21:20:42 eikeon has quit ("Leaving") 21:40:38 eikeon (~eikeon@jungle.ne.client2.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 21:41:20 eikeon has left #swhack 21:43:12 * sbp wrote a good new song today; is just playing it to get a feel for it 21:43:24 [Global Notice] Hi all. In about a half hour we'll be attempting our first major upgrade of the holiday weekend. This will involving upgrading a central hub and will probably affect nearly everybody on the network. We'll notify you as it gets closer 21:43:57 cool 21:44:19 Hmm... I think that it's the best that I've written for some months, so I'm happy :-) 21:44:30 and all in one go! no fragments! 21:46:59 cool 21:47:13 can I get a "whee!"? 21:47:17 whee! 21:47:21 ty 21:47:26 np 22:07:54 [Global Notice] Hi all. We're about 5 minutes away from the upgrade of a major hub. Nearly everybody will be affected. Apologies in advance for the join storm. 22:11:02 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 22:12:41 [Global Notice] Okay, here it goes. Hopefully see you on the other side. 8) 22:12:51 xena has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:12:51 sbp has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:12:51 oierw` has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:12:51 deltab has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:12:51 deus_x has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:12:51 tansaku_fg has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:12:51 chumpster has quit (vinge.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:13:21 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 22:14:19 logster (root@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 22:14:19 topic is: if java and perl jump off a bridge... python is sure to follow ... with strict indenting required 22:14:19 Users on #swhack: logster tansaku_fg notZakim deltab deus_x 22:14:27 chumpster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 22:15:12 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 22:19:20 logster (root@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 22:19:20 Users on #swhack: logster 22:19:24