00:00:18 Just so long as there is a blue flame coming out the back I'm happy. 00:00:32 just stick a blowtorch to the back of the seat 00:00:44 Yes, that's the easy way. 00:00:53 keyed to the weight of your ass. 00:01:10 that way, it wouldn't go off when you bring the back upstairs or whatever. 00:01:28 * duhzilla imagines a coworker leaning casually on her bike and getting a surprise. 00:02:26 "what did i tell you about touching my bike!?!" 00:02:30 the wheels falling off? 00:02:33 "i said, don't touch it! you'll burn yourself!" 00:02:36 and what do you do? 00:02:41 you touch it! 00:02:54 and now, you have to live with it, missing eyebrow lady! 00:03:00 sbp: well, I've twice had to take the crank off because the chain fell off and got lodged between the crank and the frame. I was quite peeved. 00:03:01 it'd be a good theft deterrent 00:03:15 heh, cool 00:03:21 OOh! you need a man in your caboose. 00:03:48 FlatuBike: Halves Your Eyebrows Or Your Money Back 00:04:26 its 7:04. 00:04:26 i need 800 more words by 9. 00:04:32 i will not make it. i know it. 00:04:32 flipping swhack 00:04:38 Hi all. irc.linux.com does not seem to be resolving to us at this time. No idea if that's an intended change or just a temporary situation. If you're using that CNAME you may want to point your client to irc.openprojects.net. Thanks. 00:05:00 like a pancake? 00:05:18 with decadent syrup. 00:05:31 holy shit, i have to tell you about my vcr. 00:05:31 the thing is the fucking devil. 00:05:35 It's a pity New Hampshire is so far from Toronto. 00:05:37 its been acting weird for a few weeks now, but today was the cake. 00:05:41 I've noticed that since jill joined, you've hardly stopped chatting on here 00:05:48 i come home, and the led display is pulsing up and down. 00:05:51 she has this sort of weird effect on you, I guess 00:05:56 yeah, jill's my bitch. she makes me feel good. 00:06:18 * duhzilla flutters her eyelashes and watches the tornado destroy Morbus' house. 00:06:19 so, this led, right (listen!), is pulsing up and down back and forth. 00:06:25 the tv still works, but i can't change the channel. 00:06:32 pulse, scroll, pulse scroll. 00:06:37 hit it with something big 00:06:37 and every so often, the vcr ... .. churns. 00:06:48 sbp: Is he always like this? 00:06:54 pulse scroll pulse scroll churn, right? 00:07:00 so, i rewind the tape. 00:07:04 of course 00:07:06 of course, now, it doesn't fast forward. 00:07:12 and when i got it to fast forward, the numbers/counter didn't change. 00:07:18 so i play the tape. 00:07:29 jill: you missed my feverish mirror rant last night 00:07:31 it recorded at super slow speed. 00:07:33 So I did. 00:07:37 so oprah sitting there acting like a demonic hoard of weight loss. 00:07:56 who was on it? 00:07:59 anyways. 00:08:03 * Morbus coughs. 00:08:36 where's Aaron these days? 00:08:39 duhzilla is now known as jillzilla 00:08:49 probably off at a thingy 00:08:50 you know 00:08:52 a conference 00:09:01 AaronSw's at passover. 00:09:07 but he'll come back and say "no" just to be funny 00:09:34 oh, you're right 00:09:56 mmhmm 00:09:57 he'll miss all the fun of the upcoming week 00:09:57 AaronBot. 00:10:20 AaronBotCant 00:10:31 irc needs an "away" status indicator 00:10:46 ooh, we can hold parties and rallies now that old man Aaron is out of town 00:10:47 * Morbus pokes sbp. 00:10:50 it does! 00:10:58 * Morbus pokes sbp harder./ 00:11:01 ow 00:11:12 argh. 00:11:26 * jillzilla phones for a keg. 00:11:48 * Morbus kegel maneuvers. 00:12:10 * Morbus stares at sbp, sighs, and throws his hands up. 00:12:20 * jillzilla turns into an aerobics instructor and guides Morbus enthusiastically through kegel exercises. 00:12:38 "Now squeeeeeeeeeze! And Reeeelease! And Squeeeeze! And Reeeelease!" 00:12:45 heh, do you know what kegel (sp?) is? 00:12:51 yeaaaaahHHh 00:12:54 rock on. 00:13:05 heh, jillzilla rocks. 00:13:07 * jillzilla jumps up and down as the music pounds. 00:13:17 don't worry, sean, we'll tell you when you're older. 00:14:02 oh, right, sorry... I missed the word "kegel" for some reason 00:14:39 hey, sean, how old are you? 00:14:45 dunno 00:14:51 hehehhe 00:15:07 Older than a newborn babe, or perhaps older than dirt? 00:15:13 i forget my age a lot too. 00:15:19 i told someone i was 24, and then a day later told them i was 23. 00:15:43 no jill, the older than dirt distinction is yours alone. 00:15:43 * Morbus ducks. 00:15:55 I decided once I was exactly the age of dirt. 00:16:13 My housemate of the time, who is a year older than I am, said, "Oh, thanks." 00:16:16 exactly? 00:16:41 To seven significant digits. 00:17:35 hehe. kegel. 00:17:45 * redmonk wanders back to irc window 00:17:56 * redmonk chuckles 00:18:23 heh, heh 00:18:30 hehe. redmonk's in the club too. 00:18:30 cool :) 00:18:38 i'm married. ;-) 00:18:48 he says 00:19:04 http://speakshermind.redmonk.net 00:19:04 Married people have sphincters. 00:19:39 Well, I assume. I haven't checked. 00:19:50 heh. right. sure 00:22:45 Are you doubting that I haven't checked? 00:23:17 * jillzilla is as old as dirt and twice as good looking. 00:27:02 ugh. all these younguns 00:27:31 redmonk has quit (K-lined) 00:27:31 notZakim has quit (K-lined) 00:27:31 loggy has quit (K-lined) 00:27:31 walloper has quit (K-lined) 00:27:31 AaronSw has quit (K-lined) 00:27:31 sbp has quit (K-lined) 00:28:07 sbp (sbp@m907-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 00:28:27 aaaaaaaaaargh! 00:28:29 K-lined again? 00:28:31 crap, I'll have to sort it out in a minute: getting food 00:29:06 tav` (tav@host217-34-65-31.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 00:30:25 why'd you get k-lined sean? 00:30:46 I'm not sure, this time 00:30:59 oh 00:31:05 seems like the whole ip got k-lined 00:40:21 * jillzilla returns. 00:40:27 SeanP (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 00:40:37 cool 00:40:38 wb 00:40:45 * jillzilla bows. 00:40:48 ehm sean 00:40:53 hi jill ;p 00:40:56 SeanP has left #swhack 00:40:57 I fear the tenor of the channel has been diminished since my arrival. 00:41:32 SeanP (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 00:43:24 * sbp continues to talk to OPN staff... 00:44:34 cool 00:44:43 well, gl 00:44:54 why did they k-line in the first place? 00:45:58 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 00:45:58 one of Aaron's bots is running amok 00:45:58 loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 00:45:58 * loggy is logging 00:45:58 notZakim (~swhack-br@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 00:46:24 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 00:46:44 wow 00:46:50 this channel is just filled with bots 00:49:16 Morbus has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:49:33 anybody here not a bot? Show of hands... 00:49:41 * sbp waves 00:50:36 6 out of 17 are confirmed bots 00:50:50 .py 6. / 17 00:50:50 0.35294117647058826 00:52:24 .google PicoBSD 00:52:25 PicoBSD: http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html 00:52:52 well, congrats on getting back 00:53:07 just popped in to offer any help 00:53:12 laters 00:53:15 tav` has left #swhack 00:53:24 cool 00:53:31 sbp has quit () 00:53:36 SeanP is now known as sbp 00:54:11 right, it seems to be sorted... 00:54:22 but Aaron's going to *have* to sort out his bots when he gets back 01:04:57 * sbp mails Steve and Aaron 01:15:59 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 01:16:36 yay! back from the k-line! 01:17:16 Hmmm, I should find out what the procedures are for challenging a code review. 01:17:39 jillzilla: in what context? 01:17:43 Someone just told me "take this option out of your code" when I think better would be to have the default be different. 01:18:12 The option is something like --printstats, and my reviewer said 01:18:19 "have it always print the stats." 01:18:34 But it seems to me that it would be better to have it default to printing stats and there should be a --noprintstats. 01:18:36 Oh, well. 01:18:40 * jillzilla eviscerates her code. 01:19:11 wb rm! 01:19:13 wb rm! 01:19:21 yay me! 01:19:28 * sbp repeats himself a bit 01:19:35 * jillzilla sees everything twice. 01:19:56 * redmonk suffers the incompetence of fools 01:19:58 network went a bit wobbly 01:20:08 world went a bit wobbly 01:20:14 hheh 01:20:15 yeah, well, in this case it's Aaron's fault 01:20:33 one of his logging bots (that I've not heard of before) was connecting like twice a second 01:20:39 BUUUUUUUUURRRRNNNN Him!! 01:20:44 jillzilla: why not just make the changes requested with a comment that it was done under duress? 01:20:47 I'm not even sure what channel it was supposed to be running on 01:20:48 heh 01:20:58 invalid XML tag, BTW 01:21:11 GabeW: it's hardly "duress" if I just shrug and say "okay" and do it. :-) 01:21:14 hehe 01:21:23 Or even if I bitch on irc and then shrug and do it. :-) 01:21:28 ok, under exceedingly mild and barely noticeable pressure 01:21:48 * jillzilla laughs. "I did it this way because I was leaving on vacation in a few hours anyway" 01:22:08 "I did it this way because I hate this company and I quit" 01:22:14 noooooooooooooooo! 01:22:18 heh, heh 01:22:29 * jillzilla grins. 01:22:34 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack 01:22:54 [sound of jillzilla's tendons straining as she holds on to her dream job] 01:23:03 [POP!] 01:23:06 hey davb 01:23:21 * jillzilla peers at davb. 01:23:36 'lo dav 01:23:45 * jillzilla waves to davb. 01:23:51 * sbp tries to get as much chatting done as possible before he's K-lined again 01:23:56 * redmonk peers at jill perring at dav 01:24:03 lol 01:24:07 peer-to-peer. 01:24:13 heh 01:24:14 lol 01:24:32 * redmonk falls over dead, laughing 01:24:38 * redmonk respawns 01:24:42 heh 01:24:44 *splutch* 01:24:53 * redmonk respawns 01:25:12 now all we need is to have Morbus run screaming into a wall 01:25:27 that's a new one. if you're near someone in quake who does something really really stupid, YOU dies laughing 01:25:34 er, die 01:25:40 *splutch* 01:25:49 * redmonk respawns 01:26:59 hello 01:27:31 after that performance, all you can say is 'hello'? 01:27:37 i'm disappointed 01:27:42 Come on, davb. Entertain us. 01:27:42 * redmonk sulks 01:28:13 * sbp prods davb with a rhythm stick 01:28:27 'here we are now...' 01:28:52 * redmonk wishes he had SLTS on mp3 01:33:42 try AG 01:33:52 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 01:34:08 AG? 01:34:09 hxamnt! 01:34:17 AudioGalaxy 01:34:31 firewall - no peer-to-peer fun 01:34:38 hazmat, you are officialy a resource 01:34:44 firewall? Pff 01:36:23 [[[ 01:36:23 nirvana - smells like teen spirit 01:36:23 SEARCH PROHIBITED You cannot request this song due to copyright restrictions. Please try a different search. 01:36:27 ]]] 01:36:31 Hmm... I can't really imagine being married, having a nice job, living in Pheonix, and yet still being on #swhack. Your lifestyle, to me, is the very anti-thesis to swhack 01:36:48 redmonk has left #swhack 01:36:52 hey! 01:37:00 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 01:37:04 [giggle] 01:37:15 that wasn't an invitation for you to leave to do better things 01:37:26 * redmonk realized sbp was right. what was he doing with these losers? 01:37:39 it was rather a peoan to how marvellous it is to have a real person 01:38:21 .wm peoan 01:38:23 a not so solemn paeon, rather 01:38:23 heh 01:38:27 .wn peoan 01:38:32 aeo 01:38:41 .wn paeon 01:38:52 hm 01:38:54 heh, heh 01:38:54 xena? 01:39:02 hang on... 01:39:04 How many of those things does one have to have to be real? 01:39:14 * redmonk doesn't know 01:39:30 [[[ 01:39:30 Paeon \P[ae]"on\ (p[=e]"[o^]n), n. [L. paeon, Gr. paiw`n a 01:39:30 solemn song, also, a p[ae]on, equiv. to paia`n. See 01:39:30 P[ae]an.] (Anc. Poet.) 01:39:30 A foot of four syllables, one long and three short, admitting 01:39:30 of four combinations, according to the place of the long 01:39:32 syllable. [Written also, less correctly, p[ae]an.] 01:39:34 ]]] 01:40:07 I meant it in it's archaic form of "poetry/song", I guess, but I dunno just how much of the "solemn" overtone the word carries 01:40:25 I took it in that sense. 01:40:32 phew 01:41:00 it's not a common word, so we could use it to mean the way that dew falls off of a blade of grass for all it matters 01:41:33 It's more common than _that_. 01:41:38 no it's not 01:42:00 is SO! Nyah! 01:42:22 alright, maybe it is 01:42:28 "5000-50,000 Fairly common (e.g. extrovert: 34,200)" - http://infomesh.net/geirlyfr/ 01:42:59 .googlecount paeon 01:43:09 stupid bot 01:43:21 WTF?:- 01:43:36 paeon: 22,700 peaon -peaony: 23,500 01:43:45 how can there be *more* when I'm ommiting a word? 01:43:56 s/700/700;/ 01:44:10 the ways of google are mysterious. 01:44:17 heh, heh 01:44:24 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:44:30 sbp has changed the topic to: the ways of google are mysterious 01:44:38 you got topic'd 01:44:57 I don't know whether to be honored or horrified. 01:45:05 somewhere in between 01:45:15 honorrified? 01:45:23 heh 01:46:01 it's a horrorific 01:46:43 sorry, I am not totalling into the swhackiness of things, i'll try harder 01:46:54 lol! 01:46:55 ack, s/totalling/totally 01:47:14 actually, 'totalling' is the appropriate term in swhack 01:47:17 * sbp imagines davb ramming his car into the quinticential swhackiness of things 01:47:29 we total all kinds of things here 01:47:35 quintessencial swhackiness. Oooh. 01:47:42 sbp: quintessential 01:47:43 c is so much easier to type than ss 01:47:55 and i than e, i assume? 01:48:01 cbp: yes, I agree. 01:48:02 that was a misspelling 01:48:12 ah, but I'm not called ssbp 01:48:18 But you could be. 01:48:25 oops: micpelling 01:48:28 or mmbp 01:48:36 or Fred. but I'm not 01:48:41 or xxbp, which is like bxxp only different. 01:49:07 anyway, jill mispelled it too. It's -tial 01:49:23 rm is the only güd speler 01:51:10 .google Great Spelling Reform 01:51:12 Great Spelling Reform: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~ozideas/wrussref.htm 01:51:22 hey! 01:51:27 how come xena listens to you? 01:51:39 she loves me 01:51:42 .googlecount sbp is a weiner 01:51:43 Hmm... "The 1919 Decree on Illiteracy made it a criminal offence to refuse to learn or teach how to read." 01:51:51 googlecount isn't a xena command 01:51:56 hm. 01:51:58 it's a u script on my box 01:52:02 .google sbp is a weiner 01:52:03 sbp is a weiner: http://www.atlantajcc.org/R&W_30bball.htm 01:52:15 CygBot (~sbp@m137-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 01:52:24 $ u googlecount sbp is a weiner 01:52:25 heh 01:52:30 redmonk has left #swhack 01:52:31 > sbp is a weiner: 137 01:52:31 > [end] 01:52:38 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 01:52:40 crap 01:52:46 heh, you missed the result 01:52:54 i keep trying to switch to moz, and hit 'close window' 01:53:05 but it's closing the chat window 01:53:09 d'oh! 01:53:12 the ie spelling is preferred, although ei is an acceptible ethnic variant 01:53:15 137, BTW 01:53:27 s/ib/ab/ 01:53:34 heh 01:53:53 actually, germans call people wieners all the time 01:53:59 if they're from austria 01:54:04 oops! 01:54:07 (from Vienna) 01:54:08 I meant it the other way around 01:54:27 no hang on... you're confusing the crap out of me 01:54:43 wiener schnitzel is a dish from vienna 01:54:48 why did you say "actually they use ie" when I said that ie is preferred? 01:54:53 * jillzilla discovers she misspelled quintessential and sulks. 01:55:03 micpelled! 01:55:15 * sbp reads c as k by default, though 01:55:17 'wien' is the german name for vienna 01:55:44 swhack: home of sulkypants jill 01:56:18 rm: didn't know about the dish thing, to tell you the truth 01:56:38 i didn't wither until i lived in germany 01:56:42 hehehe 01:56:50 didn't EITHER 01:56:52 ah. does help 01:57:24 w, e, same thing 01:57:40 different... effect however 01:57:43 just call me swan 01:58:04 I s'pose 01:58:34 how many letter could you really take out of the alphabet before anyone would notice? 01:59:26 c, f, j, q, x 01:59:31 redmonk has quit ("gotta run. go nap before coming back at midnight to deploy...") 01:59:37 heh 02:00:32 sbp: ask hawaiians 02:00:38 yeah, they only have 12 02:00:56 thats pretty efficient. imager perl code with only 12 lettrs... 02:01:17 all programs would look the same, but do different things :) 02:01:46 * davb hopes nobody really loves perl around here... 02:01:48 Hmm... Rotokas has only 11 02:01:51 nope 02:02:46 Hawaiian: http://www.alternative-hawaii.com/alpha.htm 02:04:38 .google Rotokas alphabet 11 02:04:39 Rotokas alphabet 11: http://www.weikopf.de/Sprache/Schrift/Buchstabenschrift/body_buchstabenschrift.html 02:05:23 ah: http://www.jaars.org/museum/alphabet/modern/phonemes.htm 02:07:34 interesting little article 02:16:04 what happened? 02:16:12 argh! 02:16:22 where'd you spring from? 02:16:29 eek! 02:16:29 what happened is that your bot went nuts 02:16:36 and we all got K-lined. twice 02:16:45 hmm 02:16:47 bot: loggylicious 02:17:18 and so twice I had to go grovelling to the OPN staff to take away the ban 02:17:43 the second time, they left the bot banned (AFAIK): it was trying to connect twice per second 02:17:43 * AaronSw kills loggylicious 02:17:45 kham (kmnguyen@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu) has joined #swhack 02:17:59 hello all 02:18:28 still, they were very quick to reinstate Vorpal, so that's alright 02:18:30 hi kham 02:18:59 good to be back here, sbp 02:21:46 :) 02:29:04 Hmm... I wonder if one of my fonts has interrobang 02:29:16 ah, perhaps Lucida Sans Unicode 02:30:29 * AaronSw disappears again 02:30:30 ha! yes 02:30:34 c'ya Aaron 02:43:52 * sbp goes through Tim's design alternatives for N3 again 02:44:06 What N3 really needs is a way to do elif 02:45:27 e.g. if { :myHomepage :title ?x }: add { :Blargh log:outputString ?x }; else: add { :Blargh log:outputString "Default" } 02:45:49 what Python really needs is N3 graphs :-) 02:46:18 hang on a minute, why not? 02:54:44 kensaku has quit () 02:56:06 Hmm... so many design choices 03:01:30 CygBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:01:40 wow, CygBot's been in for a while 03:02:50 kham has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:03:28 jillzilla has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:09:47 Hooray! 03:09:51 .google Plop Smokey 03:09:52 Plop Smokey: http://infomesh.net/2001/plop 03:30:48 Gotta run 04:10:09 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 05:11:43 iwc (~iwc@user-1120kb9.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #swhack 05:45:10 Modus Ponens looks a lot like Monty Python 06:04:36 iwc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:33:45 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 06:39:37 redmonk has quit ("cya") 07:23:15 talli (~talli@ip64-75-147-78.dial.maui.net) has joined #swhack 08:14:16 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:05:53 tansaku (~sam@mtl10gw.mtl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) has joined #swhack 09:08:00 jillium (~jill@dsl092-186-227.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #swhack 09:08:13 * jillium looks around. 09:08:18 * jillium should really be sleeping. 09:09:24 jillium has quit (Client Quit) 10:13:22 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 10:14:04 anyway around? 10:14:09 er, anyone? 10:14:46 guess not 10:16:53 redmonk has quit (Client Quit) 10:32:09 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:49:28 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack 13:50:23 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 14:13:59 tansaku (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 14:59:57 tansaku_fg (~sam@h134-141.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 15:12:28 tansaku has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:29:38 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 16:58:01 lfcuser (~lfcuser@ynrm423.lfc.edu) has joined #swhack 16:58:09 * lfcuser == student(AaronSw) 16:58:12 * lfcuser waves 16:58:30 notZakim, remind me in 50 minutes to catch the train 16:58:30 ok, lfcuser 17:08:30 hm, it's quiet 17:09:11 I still hate Windows XP. 17:10:42 One of the things I want to do is build a Wumpus World agent atop infogami. That should be fun, and a good test of functionality. 17:11:14 We'd need support for 'or' and 'not', tho 17:11:30 and a rule storage system, so we can do --think stuff 17:15:08 Interestingly, there was a talk on XML and XSLT here yesterday called 'I Declare' by developmentor 17:15:45 It'd be cool if xena could make phone calls -- t2s and s2t needed, tho 17:48:30 lfcuser, you asked to be reminded at this time to catch the train 17:48:41 thanks! 17:49:21 lfcuser has quit () 18:04:59 davb has quit () 18:35:41 talli (~talli@ip64-75-147-104.dial.maui.net) has joined #swhack 18:46:10 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack 18:46:23 AaronSw: you here? 18:51:40 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 18:52:57 wassup, talli? 18:53:15 how's calliope? 18:53:23 looking good 18:53:35 cool 18:56:05 * AaronSw disappears agaon 18:56:09 * AaronSw disappears again 19:00:49 odd. 19:00:55 google indexed some of irclogs.espnow.com 19:03:39 why is that odd? 19:04:57 cos when I try to view the page itself, its auth protected 19:05:05 same as when I've tried to view them months ago 19:07:55 argh 19:08:11 why is it that none of these reverse phone number lookups have never worked for me? 19:55:25 hmm.. is blogspace getting indexed by google? 19:57:40 yeah. 19:57:45 these logs pop up a lot. 20:01:39 thanks. actually I was wonderng becuase I thought they were and I can't seem to find stuff for the logger over at #openacs :) 20:01:46 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20:08:42 * sbp waves 20:09:14 davb: http://blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ 20:13:40 hey sbp 20:14:10 hey Morbster 21:01:26 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 21:24:05 davb has quit () 21:49:16 * sbp finishes pottering about on the guitar; plays some music 21:50:42 i get to buy comics in an hour. yay. 21:50:47 and then i'm going to see panic room tonight. 21:50:48 double yay. 21:51:11 I get to watch Frasier 21:51:18 a new one: yay! 21:54:49 heh. 21:54:56 Gotta run 21:55:01 walk! 21:55:03 you'll trip./ 21:55:46 talilee (~talli@64.75.149.122) has joined #swhack 21:56:01 heyguys 21:56:07 heygurls 21:56:19 heh. i said girls with a u. 21:56:26 grrrrrrrrr 21:56:28 i must be one of those internet elite people 21:56:36 next thing you know, i'll be all riot grrrling around. 21:56:42 rock on! 21:56:53 * talilee hits his - no, her - head against the wall 21:57:02 heh. 21:57:07 hey, did you know elfur was a chick? 21:57:10 nevermind. in joke ;) 21:57:17 Morbus, are you in on this plesh jobbie? 21:57:29 i have a question about the RDF toolkit that is being built 21:57:30 nope. i'm not a convert of rdf. 21:57:40 what's yer issue? 21:57:45 too verbose and ugly lookingl 21:57:52 i don't feel good looking at it. 21:57:59 ah 21:57:59 its a code shui thing 22:04:49 aesthetics 22:05:04 what? rdf? 22:05:28 .wn aesthetics 22:05:29 aesthetics defined as: 22:05:30 - n : the branch of philosophy dealing with beauty and taste [syn: {esthetics}] 22:05:37 yeah, close enough 22:06:07 well, i guess i'm only asking how will plesh work with an RDBMS 22:06:22 i understand that redmonk and AaronSw are working on an rdf toolkit to manage stuff 22:07:04 infogami is what i'm wondering about 22:08:30 plex 22:08:55 what is plex? storing RDF in RDB? 22:09:14 an rdbms for rdf store is generally just overhead imo, although it facilitates access, the 4suite RDF has rdbms backend storages. 22:09:25 plex uses BDB for storage last i looked. 22:09:29 plexdev.org 22:09:35 its aaron's rdf project 22:09:38 yes 22:09:55 well, for momentum i think it would be bad to have a single storage backend 22:10:09 i would imagine if you're using BDB, you're a bit locked in to it 22:10:30 is there any effective use of SQL for RDF out ther? 22:13:37 anyone seen this? 22:13:39 http://www.xwt.org/ 22:13:41 kinda interesting. 22:17:22 that looks pretty cool 22:21:30 talilee: what do you mean by effective, 4RDF (4suite.org) uses an rdbms storage, there are several other rdbms backed rdf stores as well. 22:24:54 AIMA: 'The term "reification" comes from the latin word 'res', or thing. John McCarthy proposed the term 'thingification', but it never caught on." 22:25:10 AaronSw! how was passover? 22:25:25 (better quoting) AIMA: 'The term "reification" comes from the latin word "res", or thing. John McCarthy proposed the term "thingification", but it never caught on.' 22:25:29 * AaronSw is still disappeated 22:25:33 err disappeared 22:25:37 oh. 22:25:51 AaronSw, is infogami for playing with rdf in a db? 22:26:17 It can be used to do so, with an adapter for the specific DB. 22:26:42 i see 22:26:49 how about via the python DB API? 22:27:05 rather, how about using Momentum as its "killer app"? 22:27:17 Sounds good to me! :) 22:27:24 very very nice 22:27:59 I'd be happy to write a PyDBAPI adapter... in fact there's already some code (dbork) that does a lot of what we need... 22:28:11 cool 22:29:27 * AaronSw adds to his todo list 22:29:50 bork bork bork :) 22:29:55 holy turd: 22:29:56 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341836302 22:29:57 well, with momentum, we may use something like ODBC 22:30:17 but with the pyhton db api, then it wouldn't really matter 22:30:50 yeah, go standards! 22:31:34 bwahahaha @ hey, did you know elfur was a chick? 22:31:42 hazmat, AaronSw, what's the difference between infogami and 4suite? 22:32:06 on RDF: too verbose and ugly lookingl 22:32:12 heh! 22:32:14 I agree, if you're talking about XML RDF 22:32:27 i've not used 4suite, but others have said that it has a number of problems. 22:32:41 in addition to just being difficult to find and install ;) 22:33:14 ah, good enough for me 22:33:16 its not so bad. 22:33:30 I should really play with it some more. 22:33:48 it seems it has a lot in it already 22:33:55 i use 4suite for alot of xml work. 22:33:59 and it's in python, so there may be something good to learn there 22:34:07 talilee: not really 22:34:13 it's not? 22:34:16 redfoot is another python rdf framework. 22:34:22 talilee: no comment ;) 22:34:24 Yep :-) 22:34:31 yeah, eikeon is a redfoot developer :) 22:34:35 * eikeon is finally getting around to working on it again too 22:34:41 we've learned a lot from Redfoot 22:34:51 good or bad? 22:35:02 * eikeon is trying to make a smaller redfoot core 22:35:28 well, it's had some very cool things, but that are sorta difficult to grasp (functors, cough) 22:35:38 lol 22:36:38 but i hope to have connectors for the other pyrdf projects 22:36:59 cool 22:37:12 i'm going to go outside now, since i am in an island paradise 22:37:15 talk to y'all later 22:37:18 c'ya 22:37:39 have fun in [ a :TropicalIslandParadise] 22:37:42 heh. he's not in Britain, then 22:38:06 well it's raining heavily here, does that count as tropical? 22:38:07 (note that he didn't say tropical) 22:38:16 oh, so he didn't 22:38:28 and put spaces around your po pairs! 22:38:51 is that a New Orleans delicacy? 22:39:04 I had to walk to the train station, it was wet but very pretty out. 22:39:14 N'Orleans: could be 22:39:29 eikeon: redfoot is nice, i'm glad to see someone is going to actually continue it. 22:39:45 eikeon: i was sad that james didn't make ipc10 for his talk. 22:39:55 cause i was interested in hearing future directions. 22:40:01 aw, that's too bad 22:40:25 I need to spend more time with redfoot. it messes with your mind (in a good way) 22:40:47 Heh, next thing I know that'll be on the packaging. 22:40:53 Redfoot: Messes with your mind 22:41:42 indeed, its got some neat ideas in it. 22:42:02 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 22:42:04 talilee: look at the redfoot code for some nice python work (some of it anyways ;) ) 22:42:41 the 4suite stuff feels more like brute force than elegance to me. but thats just my sense of code aesthetics speaking. 22:43:58 James was not able to make ipc10 at the last minute... as he got sick. 22:44:11 Else I think he was planning on making it. 22:45:34 Also, James is back in australia now... so we do not get a chance to have as many redfoot F2Fs as we used to :( 22:47:14 well how bout getting the mailing list going again? 22:47:29 there was some interest but *nobody* responded 22:50:04 eikeon: it seemed like you guys abandoned it, which is why i'm glad to hear your interested in getting it rolling again. 23:08:34 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 23:17:29 learning languages: difficult to see the words for the characters 23:17:42 except in Chinese, where the words are the characters 23:33:38 talilee has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))