IRC log of swhack on 2002-03-29

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:18 [duhzilla]
Just so long as there is a blue flame coming out the back I'm happy.
00:00:32 [sbp]
just stick a blowtorch to the back of the seat
00:00:44 [duhzilla]
Yes, that's the easy way.
00:00:53 [Morbus]
keyed to the weight of your ass.
00:01:10 [Morbus]
that way, it wouldn't go off when you bring the back upstairs or whatever.
00:01:28 [duhzilla]
* duhzilla imagines a coworker leaning casually on her bike and getting a surprise.
00:02:26 [Morbus]
"what did i tell you about touching my bike!?!"
00:02:30 [sbp]
the wheels falling off?
00:02:33 [Morbus]
"i said, don't touch it! you'll burn yourself!"
00:02:36 [Morbus]
and what do you do?
00:02:41 [Morbus]
you touch it!
00:02:54 [Morbus]
and now, you have to live with it, missing eyebrow lady!
00:03:00 [duhzilla]
sbp: well, I've twice had to take the crank off because the chain fell off and got lodged between the crank and the frame. I was quite peeved.
00:03:01 [sbp]
it'd be a good theft deterrent
00:03:15 [sbp]
heh, cool
00:03:21 [Morbus]
OOh! you need a man in your caboose.
00:03:48 [Morbus]
FlatuBike: Halves Your Eyebrows Or Your Money Back
00:04:26 [Morbus]
its 7:04.
00:04:26 [Morbus]
i need 800 more words by 9.
00:04:32 [Morbus]
i will not make it. i know it.
00:04:32 [Morbus]
flipping swhack
00:04:38 [walloper]
<lilo> Hi all. irc.linux.com does not seem to be resolving to us at this time. No idea if that's an intended change or just a temporary situation. If you're using that CNAME you may want to point your client to irc.openprojects.net. Thanks.
00:05:00 [sbp]
like a pancake?
00:05:18 [Morbus]
with decadent syrup.
00:05:31 [Morbus]
holy shit, i have to tell you about my vcr.
00:05:31 [Morbus]
the thing is the fucking devil.
00:05:35 [duhzilla]
It's a pity New Hampshire is so far from Toronto.
00:05:37 [Morbus]
its been acting weird for a few weeks now, but today was the cake.
00:05:41 [sbp]
I've noticed that since jill joined, you've hardly stopped chatting on here
00:05:48 [Morbus]
i come home, and the led display is pulsing up and down.
00:05:51 [sbp]
she has this sort of weird effect on you, I guess
00:05:56 [Morbus]
yeah, jill's my bitch. she makes me feel good.
00:06:18 [duhzilla]
* duhzilla flutters her eyelashes and watches the tornado destroy Morbus' house.
00:06:19 [Morbus]
so, this led, right (listen!), is pulsing up and down back and forth.
00:06:25 [Morbus]
the tv still works, but i can't change the channel.
00:06:32 [Morbus]
pulse, scroll, pulse scroll.
00:06:37 [sbp]
hit it with something big
00:06:37 [Morbus]
and every so often, the vcr ... .. churns.
00:06:48 [duhzilla]
sbp: Is he always like this?
00:06:54 [Morbus]
pulse scroll pulse scroll churn, right?
00:07:00 [Morbus]
so, i rewind the tape.
00:07:04 [sbp]
of course
00:07:06 [Morbus]
of course, now, it doesn't fast forward.
00:07:12 [Morbus]
and when i got it to fast forward, the numbers/counter didn't change.
00:07:18 [Morbus]
so i play the tape.
00:07:29 [sbp]
jill: you missed my feverish mirror rant last night
00:07:31 [Morbus]
it recorded at super slow speed.
00:07:33 [duhzilla]
So I did.
00:07:37 [Morbus]
so oprah sitting there acting like a demonic hoard of weight loss.
00:07:56 [sbp]
who was on it?
00:07:59 [Morbus]
anyways.
00:08:03 [Morbus]
* Morbus coughs.
00:08:36 [sbp]
where's Aaron these days?
00:08:39 [duhzilla]
duhzilla is now known as jillzilla
00:08:49 [sbp]
probably off at a thingy
00:08:50 [sbp]
you know
00:08:52 [sbp]
a conference
00:09:01 [Morbus]
AaronSw's at passover.
00:09:07 [Morbus]
but he'll come back and say "no" just to be funny
00:09:34 [sbp]
oh, you're right
00:09:56 [Morbus]
mmhmm
00:09:57 [sbp]
he'll miss all the fun of the upcoming week
00:09:57 [jillzilla]
AaronBot.
00:10:20 [Morbus]
AaronBotCant
00:10:31 [redmonk]
irc needs an "away" status indicator
00:10:46 [sbp]
ooh, we can hold parties and rallies now that old man Aaron is out of town
00:10:47 [Morbus]
* Morbus pokes sbp.
00:10:50 [sbp]
it does!
00:10:58 [Morbus]
* Morbus pokes sbp harder./
00:11:01 [sbp]
ow
00:11:12 [Morbus]
argh.
00:11:26 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla phones for a keg.
00:11:48 [Morbus]
* Morbus kegel maneuvers.
00:12:10 [Morbus]
* Morbus stares at sbp, sighs, and throws his hands up.
00:12:20 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla turns into an aerobics instructor and guides Morbus enthusiastically through kegel exercises.
00:12:38 [jillzilla]
"Now squeeeeeeeeeze! And Reeeelease! And Squeeeeze! And Reeeelease!"
00:12:45 [Morbus]
heh, do you know what kegel (sp?) is?
00:12:51 [Morbus]
yeaaaaahHHh
00:12:54 [Morbus]
rock on.
00:13:05 [Morbus]
heh, jillzilla rocks.
00:13:07 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla jumps up and down as the music pounds.
00:13:17 [Morbus]
don't worry, sean, we'll tell you when you're older.
00:14:02 [sbp]
oh, right, sorry... I missed the word "kegel" for some reason
00:14:39 [Morbus]
hey, sean, how old are you?
00:14:45 [sbp]
dunno
00:14:51 [jillzilla]
hehehhe
00:15:07 [jillzilla]
Older than a newborn babe, or perhaps older than dirt?
00:15:13 [Morbus]
i forget my age a lot too.
00:15:19 [Morbus]
i told someone i was 24, and then a day later told them i was 23.
00:15:43 [Morbus]
no jill, the older than dirt distinction is yours alone.
00:15:43 [Morbus]
* Morbus ducks.
00:15:55 [jillzilla]
I decided once I was exactly the age of dirt.
00:16:13 [jillzilla]
My housemate of the time, who is a year older than I am, said, "Oh, thanks."
00:16:16 [Morbus]
exactly?
00:16:41 [jillzilla]
To seven significant digits.
00:17:35 [redmonk]
hehe. kegel.
00:17:45 [redmonk]
* redmonk wanders back to irc window
00:17:56 [redmonk]
* redmonk chuckles
00:18:23 [sbp]
heh, heh
00:18:30 [Morbus]
hehe. redmonk's in the club too.
00:18:30 [Morbus]
cool :)
00:18:38 [redmonk]
i'm married. ;-)
00:18:48 [sbp]
he says
00:19:04 [redmonk]
http://speakshermind.redmonk.net
00:19:04 [jillzilla]
Married people have sphincters.
00:19:39 [jillzilla]
Well, I assume. I haven't checked.
00:19:50 [sbp]
heh. right. sure
00:22:45 [jillzilla]
Are you doubting that I haven't checked?
00:23:17 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla is as old as dirt and twice as good looking.
00:27:02 [redmonk]
ugh. all these younguns
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notZakim has quit (K-lined)
00:27:31 [loggy]
loggy has quit (K-lined)
00:27:31 [walloper]
walloper has quit (K-lined)
00:27:31 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has quit (K-lined)
00:27:31 [sbp]
sbp has quit (K-lined)
00:28:07 [sbp]
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00:28:27 [sbp]
aaaaaaaaaargh!
00:28:29 [sbp]
K-lined again?
00:28:31 [sbp]
crap, I'll have to sort it out in a minute: getting food
00:29:06 [tav`]
tav` (tav@host217-34-65-31.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack
00:30:25 [tav`]
why'd you get k-lined sean?
00:30:46 [sbp]
I'm not sure, this time
00:30:59 [tav`]
oh
00:31:05 [tav`]
seems like the whole ip got k-lined
00:40:21 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla returns.
00:40:27 [SeanP]
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00:40:37 [tav`]
cool
00:40:38 [tav`]
wb
00:40:45 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla bows.
00:40:48 [tav`]
ehm sean
00:40:53 [tav`]
hi jill ;p
00:40:56 [SeanP]
SeanP has left #swhack
00:40:57 [jillzilla]
I fear the tenor of the channel has been diminished since my arrival.
00:41:32 [SeanP]
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00:43:24 [sbp]
* sbp continues to talk to OPN staff...
00:44:34 [tav`]
cool
00:44:43 [tav`]
well, gl
00:44:54 [tav`]
why did they k-line in the first place?
00:45:58 [walloper]
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00:45:58 [sbp]
one of Aaron's bots is running amok
00:45:58 [loggy]
loggy (~swhack-lo@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack
00:45:58 [loggy]
* loggy is logging
00:45:58 [notZakim]
notZakim (~swhack-br@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack
00:46:24 [AaronSw]
AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack
00:46:44 [tav`]
wow
00:46:50 [tav`]
this channel is just filled with bots
00:49:16 [Morbus]
Morbus has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
00:49:33 [jillzilla]
anybody here not a bot? Show of hands...
00:49:41 [sbp]
* sbp waves
00:50:36 [tav`]
6 out of 17 are confirmed bots
00:50:50 [tav`]
.py 6. / 17
00:50:50 [xena]
0.35294117647058826
00:52:24 [sbp]
.google PicoBSD
00:52:25 [xena]
PicoBSD: http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html
00:52:52 [tav`]
well, congrats on getting back
00:53:07 [tav`]
just popped in to offer any help
00:53:12 [tav`]
laters
00:53:15 [tav`]
tav` has left #swhack
00:53:24 [SeanP]
cool
00:53:31 [sbp]
sbp has quit ()
00:53:36 [SeanP]
SeanP is now known as sbp
00:54:11 [sbp]
right, it seems to be sorted...
00:54:22 [sbp]
but Aaron's going to *have* to sort out his bots when he gets back
01:04:57 [sbp]
* sbp mails Steve and Aaron
01:15:59 [redmonk]
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01:16:36 [redmonk]
yay! back from the k-line!
01:17:16 [jillzilla]
Hmmm, I should find out what the procedures are for challenging a code review.
01:17:39 [GabeW]
jillzilla: in what context?
01:17:43 [jillzilla]
Someone just told me "take this option out of your code" when I think better would be to have the default be different.
01:18:12 [jillzilla]
The option is something like --printstats, and my reviewer said
01:18:19 [jillzilla]
"have it always print the stats."
01:18:34 [jillzilla]
But it seems to me that it would be better to have it default to printing stats and there should be a --noprintstats.
01:18:36 [jillzilla]
Oh, well.
01:18:40 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla eviscerates her code.
01:19:11 [sbp]
wb rm!
01:19:13 [sbp]
wb rm!
01:19:21 [redmonk]
yay me!
01:19:28 [sbp]
* sbp repeats himself a bit
01:19:35 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla sees everything twice.
01:19:56 [redmonk]
* redmonk suffers the incompetence of fools
01:19:58 [sbp]
network went a bit wobbly
01:20:08 [jillzilla]
world went a bit wobbly
01:20:14 [redmonk]
hheh
01:20:15 [sbp]
yeah, well, in this case it's Aaron's fault
01:20:33 [sbp]
one of his logging bots (that I've not heard of before) was connecting like twice a second
01:20:39 [redmonk]
<eric idle>BUUUUUUUUURRRRNNNN Him!!</eric idle>
01:20:44 [GabeW]
jillzilla: why not just make the changes requested with a comment that it was done under duress?
01:20:47 [sbp]
I'm not even sure what channel it was supposed to be running on
01:20:48 [sbp]
heh
01:20:58 [sbp]
invalid XML tag, BTW
01:21:11 [jillzilla]
GabeW: it's hardly "duress" if I just shrug and say "okay" and do it. :-)
01:21:14 [GabeW]
hehe
01:21:23 [jillzilla]
Or even if I bitch on irc and then shrug and do it. :-)
01:21:28 [GabeW]
ok, under exceedingly mild and barely noticeable pressure
01:21:48 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla laughs. "I did it this way because I was leaving on vacation in a few hours anyway"
01:22:08 [sbp]
"I did it this way because I hate this company and I quit"
01:22:14 [jillzilla]
noooooooooooooooo!
01:22:18 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:22:29 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla grins.
01:22:34 [davb]
davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack
01:22:54 [sbp]
[sound of jillzilla's tendons straining as she holds on to her dream job]
01:23:03 [jillzilla]
[POP!]
01:23:06 [sbp]
hey davb
01:23:21 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla peers at davb.
01:23:36 [redmonk]
'lo dav
01:23:45 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla waves to davb.
01:23:51 [sbp]
* sbp tries to get as much chatting done as possible before he's K-lined again
01:23:56 [redmonk]
* redmonk peers at jill perring at dav
01:24:03 [redmonk]
lol
01:24:07 [jillzilla]
peer-to-peer.
01:24:13 [sbp]
heh
01:24:14 [redmonk]
lol
01:24:32 [redmonk]
* redmonk falls over dead, laughing
01:24:38 [redmonk]
* redmonk respawns
01:24:42 [sbp]
heh
01:24:44 [sbp]
*splutch*
01:24:53 [redmonk]
* redmonk respawns
01:25:12 [sbp]
now all we need is to have Morbus run screaming into a wall
01:25:27 [redmonk]
that's a new one. if you're near someone in quake who does something really really stupid, YOU dies laughing
01:25:34 [redmonk]
er, die
01:25:40 [redmonk]
*splutch*
01:25:49 [redmonk]
* redmonk respawns
01:26:59 [davb]
hello
01:27:31 [redmonk]
after that performance, all you can say is 'hello'?
01:27:37 [redmonk]
i'm disappointed
01:27:42 [jillzilla]
Come on, davb. Entertain us.
01:27:42 [redmonk]
* redmonk sulks
01:28:13 [sbp]
* sbp prods davb with a rhythm stick
01:28:27 [redmonk]
'here we are now...'
01:28:52 [redmonk]
* redmonk wishes he had SLTS on mp3
01:33:42 [sbp]
try AG
01:33:52 [hazmat]
hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack
01:34:08 [redmonk]
AG?
01:34:09 [sbp]
hxamnt!
01:34:17 [sbp]
AudioGalaxy
01:34:31 [redmonk]
firewall - no peer-to-peer fun
01:34:38 [sbp]
hazmat, you are officialy a resource
01:34:44 [sbp]
firewall? Pff
01:36:23 [redmonk]
[[[
01:36:23 [redmonk]
nirvana - smells like teen spirit
01:36:23 [redmonk]
SEARCH PROHIBITED You cannot request this song due to copyright restrictions. Please try a different search.
01:36:27 [redmonk]
]]]
01:36:31 [sbp]
Hmm... I can't really imagine being married, having a nice job, living in Pheonix, and yet still being on #swhack. Your lifestyle, to me, is the very anti-thesis to swhack
01:36:48 [redmonk]
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01:36:52 [sbp]
hey!
01:37:00 [redmonk]
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01:37:04 [sbp]
[giggle]
01:37:15 [sbp]
that wasn't an invitation for you to leave to do better things
01:37:26 [redmonk]
* redmonk realized sbp was right. what was he doing with these losers?
01:37:39 [sbp]
it was rather a peoan to how marvellous it is to have a real person
01:38:21 [redmonk]
.wm peoan
01:38:23 [sbp]
a not so solemn paeon, rather
01:38:23 [redmonk]
heh
01:38:27 [redmonk]
.wn peoan
01:38:32 [sbp]
aeo
01:38:41 [redmonk]
.wn paeon
01:38:52 [redmonk]
hm
01:38:54 [sbp]
heh, heh
01:38:54 [redmonk]
xena?
01:39:02 [sbp]
hang on...
01:39:04 [jillzilla]
How many of those things does one have to have to be real?
01:39:14 [redmonk]
* redmonk doesn't know
01:39:30 [sbp]
[[[
01:39:30 [sbp]
Paeon \P[ae]"on\ (p[=e]"[o^]n), n. [L. paeon, Gr. paiw`n a
01:39:30 [sbp]
solemn song, also, a p[ae]on, equiv. to paia`n. See
01:39:30 [sbp]
P[ae]an.] (Anc. Poet.)
01:39:30 [sbp]
A foot of four syllables, one long and three short, admitting
01:39:30 [sbp]
of four combinations, according to the place of the long
01:39:32 [sbp]
syllable. [Written also, less correctly, p[ae]an.]
01:39:34 [sbp]
]]]
01:40:07 [sbp]
I meant it in it's archaic form of "poetry/song", I guess, but I dunno just how much of the "solemn" overtone the word carries
01:40:25 [jillzilla]
I took it in that sense.
01:40:32 [sbp]
phew
01:41:00 [sbp]
it's not a common word, so we could use it to mean the way that dew falls off of a blade of grass for all it matters
01:41:33 [jillzilla]
It's more common than _that_.
01:41:38 [sbp]
no it's not
01:42:00 [jillzilla]
is SO! Nyah!
01:42:22 [sbp]
alright, maybe it is
01:42:28 [sbp]
"5000-50,000 Fairly common (e.g. extrovert: 34,200)" - http://infomesh.net/geirlyfr/
01:42:59 [redmonk]
.googlecount paeon
01:43:09 [redmonk]
stupid bot
01:43:21 [sbp]
WTF?:-
01:43:36 [sbp]
paeon: 22,700 peaon -peaony: 23,500
01:43:45 [sbp]
how can there be *more* when I'm ommiting a word?
01:43:56 [sbp]
s/700/700;/
01:44:10 [jillzilla]
the ways of google are mysterious.
01:44:17 [sbp]
heh, heh
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01:44:30 [sbp]
sbp has changed the topic to: <jillzilla> the ways of google are mysterious
01:44:38 [sbp]
you got topic'd
01:44:57 [jillzilla]
I don't know whether to be honored or horrified.
01:45:05 [sbp]
somewhere in between
01:45:15 [jillzilla]
honorrified?
01:45:23 [sbp]
heh
01:46:01 [redmonk]
it's a horrorific
01:46:43 [davb]
sorry, I am not totalling into the swhackiness of things, i'll try harder
01:46:54 [sbp]
lol!
01:46:55 [davb]
ack, s/totalling/totally
01:47:14 [redmonk]
actually, 'totalling' is the appropriate term in swhack
01:47:17 [sbp]
* sbp imagines davb ramming his car into the quinticential swhackiness of things
01:47:29 [redmonk]
we total all kinds of things here
01:47:35 [jillzilla]
quintessencial swhackiness. Oooh.
01:47:42 [redmonk]
sbp: quintessential
01:47:43 [sbp]
c is so much easier to type than ss
01:47:55 [redmonk]
and i than e, i assume?
01:48:01 [jillzilla]
cbp: yes, I agree.
01:48:02 [sbp]
that was a misspelling
01:48:12 [sbp]
ah, but I'm not called ssbp
01:48:18 [jillzilla]
But you could be.
01:48:25 [sbp]
oops: micpelling
01:48:28 [redmonk]
or mmbp
01:48:36 [sbp]
or Fred. but I'm not
01:48:41 [jillzilla]
or xxbp, which is like bxxp only different.
01:49:07 [sbp]
anyway, jill mispelled it too. It's -tial
01:49:23 [sbp]
rm is the only güd speler
01:51:10 [sbp]
.google Great Spelling Reform
01:51:12 [xena]
Great Spelling Reform: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~ozideas/wrussref.htm
01:51:22 [redmonk]
hey!
01:51:27 [redmonk]
how come xena listens to you?
01:51:39 [sbp]
she loves me
01:51:42 [redmonk]
.googlecount sbp is a weiner
01:51:43 [sbp]
Hmm... "The 1919 Decree on Illiteracy made it a criminal offence to refuse to learn or teach how to read."
01:51:51 [sbp]
googlecount isn't a xena command
01:51:56 [redmonk]
hm.
01:51:58 [sbp]
it's a u script on my box
01:52:02 [redmonk]
.google sbp is a weiner
01:52:03 [xena]
sbp is a weiner: http://www.atlantajcc.org/R&W_30bball.htm
01:52:15 [CygBot]
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01:52:24 [sbp]
$ u googlecount sbp is a weiner
01:52:25 [redmonk]
heh
01:52:30 [redmonk]
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01:52:31 [CygBot]
> sbp is a weiner: 137
01:52:31 [CygBot]
> [end]
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01:52:40 [redmonk]
crap
01:52:46 [sbp]
heh, you missed the result
01:52:54 [redmonk]
i keep trying to switch to moz, and hit 'close window'
01:53:05 [redmonk]
but it's closing the chat window
01:53:09 [redmonk]
d'oh!
01:53:12 [sbp]
the ie spelling is preferred, although ei is an acceptible ethnic variant
01:53:15 [sbp]
137, BTW
01:53:27 [sbp]
s/ib/ab/
01:53:34 [redmonk]
heh
01:53:53 [redmonk]
actually, germans call people wieners all the time
01:53:59 [redmonk]
if they're from austria
01:54:04 [sbp]
oops!
01:54:07 [redmonk]
(from Vienna)
01:54:08 [sbp]
I meant it the other way around
01:54:27 [sbp]
no hang on... you're confusing the crap out of me
01:54:43 [redmonk]
wiener schnitzel is a dish from vienna
01:54:48 [sbp]
why did you say "actually they use ie" when I said that ie is preferred?
01:54:53 [jillzilla]
* jillzilla discovers she misspelled quintessential and sulks.
01:55:03 [sbp]
micpelled!
01:55:15 [sbp]
* sbp reads c as k by default, though
01:55:17 [redmonk]
'wien' is the german name for vienna
01:55:44 [sbp]
swhack: home of sulkypants jill
01:56:18 [sbp]
rm: didn't know about the dish thing, to tell you the truth
01:56:38 [redmonk]
i didn't wither until i lived in germany
01:56:42 [redmonk]
hehehe
01:56:50 [redmonk]
didn't EITHER
01:56:52 [sbp]
ah. does help
01:57:24 [sbp]
w, e, same thing
01:57:40 [redmonk]
different... effect however
01:57:43 [sbp]
just call me swan
01:58:04 [sbp]
I s'pose
01:58:34 [sbp]
how many letter could you really take out of the alphabet before anyone would notice?
01:59:26 [sbp]
c, f, j, q, x
01:59:31 [redmonk]
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01:59:37 [sbp]
heh
02:00:32 [davb]
sbp: ask hawaiians
02:00:38 [sbp]
yeah, they only have 12
02:00:56 [davb]
thats pretty efficient. imager perl code with only 12 lettrs...
02:01:17 [davb]
all programs would look the same, but do different things :)
02:01:46 [davb]
* davb hopes nobody really loves perl around here...
02:01:48 [sbp]
Hmm... Rotokas has only 11
02:01:51 [sbp]
nope
02:02:46 [sbp]
Hawaiian: http://www.alternative-hawaii.com/alpha.htm
02:04:38 [sbp]
.google Rotokas alphabet 11
02:04:39 [xena]
Rotokas alphabet 11: http://www.weikopf.de/Sprache/Schrift/Buchstabenschrift/body_buchstabenschrift.html
02:05:23 [sbp]
ah: http://www.jaars.org/museum/alphabet/modern/phonemes.htm
02:07:34 [sbp]
interesting little article
02:16:04 [AaronSw]
what happened?
02:16:12 [sbp]
argh!
02:16:22 [sbp]
where'd you spring from?
02:16:29 [jillzilla]
eek!
02:16:29 [sbp]
what happened is that your bot went nuts
02:16:36 [sbp]
and we all got K-lined. twice
02:16:45 [AaronSw]
hmm
02:16:47 [sbp]
bot: loggylicious
02:17:18 [sbp]
and so twice I had to go grovelling to the OPN staff to take away the ban
02:17:43 [sbp]
the second time, they left the bot banned (AFAIK): it was trying to connect twice per second
02:17:43 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw kills loggylicious
02:17:45 [kham]
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02:17:59 [kham]
hello all
02:18:28 [sbp]
still, they were very quick to reinstate Vorpal, so that's alright
02:18:30 [sbp]
hi kham
02:18:59 [kham]
good to be back here, sbp
02:21:46 [davb]
:)
02:29:04 [sbp]
Hmm... I wonder if one of my fonts has interrobang
02:29:16 [sbp]
ah, perhaps Lucida Sans Unicode
02:30:29 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw disappears again
02:30:30 [sbp]
ha! yes
02:30:34 [sbp]
c'ya Aaron
02:43:52 [sbp]
* sbp goes through Tim's design alternatives for N3 again
02:44:06 [sbp]
What N3 really needs is a way to do elif
02:45:27 [sbp]
e.g. if { :myHomepage :title ?x }: add { :Blargh log:outputString ?x }; else: add { :Blargh log:outputString "Default" }
02:45:49 [sbp]
what Python really needs is N3 graphs :-)
02:46:18 [sbp]
hang on a minute, why not?
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02:56:06 [sbp]
Hmm... so many design choices
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03:01:40 [sbp]
wow, CygBot's been in for a while
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03:09:47 [sbp]
Hooray!
03:09:51 [sbp]
.google Plop Smokey
03:09:52 [xena]
Plop Smokey: http://infomesh.net/2001/plop
03:30:48 [sbp]
Gotta run
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05:45:10 [AaronSw]
Modus Ponens looks a lot like Monty Python
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* jillium looks around.
09:08:18 [jillium]
* jillium should really be sleeping.
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10:14:04 [redmonk]
anyway around?
10:14:09 [redmonk]
er, anyone?
10:14:46 [redmonk]
guess not
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* lfcuser == student(AaronSw)
16:58:12 [lfcuser]
* lfcuser waves
16:58:30 [lfcuser]
notZakim, remind me in 50 minutes to catch the train
16:58:30 [notZakim]
ok, lfcuser
17:08:30 [lfcuser]
hm, it's quiet
17:09:11 [lfcuser]
I still hate Windows XP.
17:10:42 [lfcuser]
One of the things I want to do is build a Wumpus World agent atop infogami. That should be fun, and a good test of functionality.
17:11:14 [lfcuser]
We'd need support for 'or' and 'not', tho
17:11:30 [lfcuser]
and a rule storage system, so we can do --think stuff
17:15:08 [lfcuser]
Interestingly, there was a talk on XML and XSLT here yesterday called 'I Declare' by developmentor
17:15:45 [lfcuser]
It'd be cool if xena could make phone calls -- t2s and s2t needed, tho
17:48:30 [notZakim]
lfcuser, you asked to be reminded at this time to catch the train
17:48:41 [lfcuser]
thanks!
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18:46:23 [talli]
AaronSw: you here?
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18:52:57 [AaronSw]
wassup, talli?
18:53:15 [talli]
how's calliope?
18:53:23 [AaronSw]
looking good
18:53:35 [talli]
cool
18:56:05 [AaronSw]
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* AaronSw disappears again
19:00:49 [Morbus]
odd.
19:00:55 [Morbus]
google indexed some of irclogs.espnow.com
19:03:39 [deltab]
why is that odd?
19:04:57 [Morbus]
cos when I try to view the page itself, its auth protected
19:05:05 [Morbus]
same as when I've tried to view them months ago
19:07:55 [Morbus]
argh
19:08:11 [Morbus]
why is it that none of these reverse phone number lookups have never worked for me?
19:55:25 [davb]
hmm.. is blogspace getting indexed by google?
19:57:40 [Morbus]
yeah.
19:57:45 [Morbus]
these logs pop up a lot.
20:01:39 [davb]
thanks. actually I was wonderng becuase I thought they were and I can't seem to find stuff for the logger over at #openacs :)
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20:08:42 [sbp]
* sbp waves
20:09:14 [sbp]
davb: http://blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/
20:13:40 [Morbus]
hey sbp
20:14:10 [sbp]
hey Morbster
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* sbp finishes pottering about on the guitar; plays some music
21:50:42 [Morbus]
i get to buy comics in an hour. yay.
21:50:47 [Morbus]
and then i'm going to see panic room tonight.
21:50:48 [Morbus]
double yay.
21:51:11 [sbp]
I get to watch Frasier
21:51:18 [sbp]
a new one: yay!
21:54:49 [Morbus]
heh.
21:54:56 [sbp]
Gotta run
21:55:01 [Morbus]
walk!
21:55:03 [Morbus]
you'll trip./
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21:56:01 [talilee]
heyguys
21:56:07 [Morbus]
heygurls
21:56:19 [Morbus]
heh. i said girls with a u.
21:56:26 [talilee]
grrrrrrrrr
21:56:28 [Morbus]
i must be one of those internet elite people
21:56:36 [Morbus]
next thing you know, i'll be all riot grrrling around.
21:56:42 [talilee]
rock on!
21:56:53 [talilee]
* talilee hits his - no, her - head against the wall
21:57:02 [Morbus]
heh.
21:57:07 [Morbus]
hey, did you know elfur was a chick?
21:57:10 [Morbus]
nevermind. in joke ;)
21:57:17 [talilee]
Morbus, are you in on this plesh jobbie?
21:57:29 [talilee]
i have a question about the RDF toolkit that is being built
21:57:30 [Morbus]
nope. i'm not a convert of rdf.
21:57:40 [talilee]
what's yer issue?
21:57:45 [Morbus]
too verbose and ugly lookingl
21:57:52 [Morbus]
i don't feel good looking at it.
21:57:59 [talilee]
ah
21:57:59 [Morbus]
its a code shui thing
22:04:49 [hazmat]
aesthetics
22:05:04 [talilee]
what? rdf?
22:05:28 [Morbus]
.wn aesthetics
22:05:29 [xena]
aesthetics defined as:
22:05:30 [xena]
- n : the branch of philosophy dealing with beauty and taste [syn: {esthetics}]
22:05:37 [Morbus]
yeah, close enough
22:06:07 [talilee]
well, i guess i'm only asking how will plesh work with an RDBMS
22:06:22 [talilee]
i understand that redmonk and AaronSw are working on an rdf toolkit to manage stuff
22:07:04 [talilee]
infogami is what i'm wondering about
22:08:30 [hazmat]
plex
22:08:55 [talilee]
what is plex? storing RDF in RDB?
22:09:14 [hazmat]
an rdbms for rdf store is generally just overhead imo, although it facilitates access, the 4suite RDF has rdbms backend storages.
22:09:25 [hazmat]
plex uses BDB for storage last i looked.
22:09:29 [hazmat]
plexdev.org
22:09:35 [hazmat]
its aaron's rdf project
22:09:38 [talilee]
yes
22:09:55 [talilee]
well, for momentum i think it would be bad to have a single storage backend
22:10:09 [talilee]
i would imagine if you're using BDB, you're a bit locked in to it
22:10:30 [talilee]
is there any effective use of SQL for RDF out ther?
22:13:37 [Morbus]
anyone seen this?
22:13:39 [Morbus]
http://www.xwt.org/
22:13:41 [Morbus]
kinda interesting.
22:17:22 [talilee]
that looks pretty cool
22:21:30 [hazmat]
talilee: what do you mean by effective, 4RDF (4suite.org) uses an rdbms storage, there are several other rdbms backed rdf stores as well.
22:24:54 [AaronSw]
AIMA: 'The term "reification" comes from the latin word 'res', or thing. John McCarthy proposed the term 'thingification', but it never caught on."
22:25:10 [Morbus]
AaronSw! how was passover?
22:25:25 [AaronSw]
(better quoting) AIMA: 'The term "reification" comes from the latin word "res", or thing. John McCarthy proposed the term "thingification", but it never caught on.'
22:25:29 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is still disappeated
22:25:33 [AaronSw]
err disappeared
22:25:37 [Morbus]
oh.
22:25:51 [talilee]
AaronSw, is infogami for playing with rdf in a db?
22:26:17 [AaronSw]
It can be used to do so, with an adapter for the specific DB.
22:26:42 [talilee]
i see
22:26:49 [talilee]
how about via the python DB API?
22:27:05 [talilee]
rather, how about using Momentum as its "killer app"?
22:27:17 [AaronSw]
Sounds good to me! :)
22:27:24 [talilee]
very very nice
22:27:59 [AaronSw]
I'd be happy to write a PyDBAPI adapter... in fact there's already some code (dbork) that does a lot of what we need...
22:28:11 [talilee]
cool
22:29:27 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw adds to his todo list
22:29:50 [eikeon]
bork bork bork :)
22:29:55 [Morbus]
holy turd:
22:29:56 [Morbus]
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341836302
22:29:57 [talilee]
well, with momentum, we may use something like ODBC
22:30:17 [talilee]
but with the pyhton db api, then it wouldn't really matter
22:30:50 [AaronSw]
yeah, go standards!
22:31:34 [sbp]
bwahahaha @ <Morbus> hey, did you know elfur was a chick?
22:31:42 [talilee]
hazmat, AaronSw, what's the difference between infogami and 4suite?
22:32:06 [sbp]
on RDF: <Morbus> too verbose and ugly lookingl
22:32:12 [AaronSw]
heh!
22:32:14 [sbp]
I agree, if you're talking about XML RDF
22:32:27 [AaronSw]
i've not used 4suite, but others have said that it has a number of problems.
22:32:41 [AaronSw]
in addition to just being difficult to find and install ;)
22:33:14 [talilee]
ah, good enough for me
22:33:16 [hazmat]
its not so bad.
22:33:30 [AaronSw]
I should really play with it some more.
22:33:48 [talilee]
it seems it has a lot in it already
22:33:55 [hazmat]
i use 4suite for alot of xml work.
22:33:59 [talilee]
and it's in python, so there may be something good to learn there
22:34:07 [hazmat]
talilee: not really
22:34:13 [talilee]
it's not?
22:34:16 [hazmat]
redfoot is another python rdf framework.
22:34:22 [hazmat]
talilee: no comment ;)
22:34:24 [eikeon]
Yep :-)
22:34:31 [AaronSw]
yeah, eikeon is a redfoot developer :)
22:34:35 [eikeon]
* eikeon is finally getting around to working on it again too
22:34:41 [AaronSw]
we've learned a lot from Redfoot
22:34:51 [talilee]
good or bad?
22:35:02 [eikeon]
* eikeon is trying to make a smaller redfoot core
22:35:28 [AaronSw]
well, it's had some very cool things, but that are sorta difficult to grasp (functors, cough)
22:35:38 [eikeon]
lol
22:36:38 [AaronSw]
but i hope to have connectors for the other pyrdf projects
22:36:59 [talilee]
cool
22:37:12 [talilee]
i'm going to go outside now, since i am in an island paradise
22:37:15 [talilee]
talk to y'all later
22:37:18 [AaronSw]
c'ya
22:37:39 [AaronSw]
have fun in [ a :TropicalIslandParadise]
22:37:42 [sbp]
heh. he's not in Britain, then
22:38:06 [AaronSw]
well it's raining heavily here, does that count as tropical?
22:38:07 [sbp]
(note that he didn't say tropical)
22:38:16 [AaronSw]
oh, so he didn't
22:38:28 [sbp]
and put spaces around your po pairs!
22:38:51 [AaronSw]
is that a New Orleans delicacy?
22:39:04 [AaronSw]
I had to walk to the train station, it was wet but very pretty out.
22:39:14 [sbp]
N'Orleans: could be
22:39:29 [hazmat]
eikeon: redfoot is nice, i'm glad to see someone is going to actually continue it.
22:39:45 [hazmat]
eikeon: i was sad that james didn't make ipc10 for his talk.
22:39:55 [hazmat]
cause i was interested in hearing future directions.
22:40:01 [AaronSw]
aw, that's too bad
22:40:25 [AaronSw]
I need to spend more time with redfoot. it messes with your mind (in a good way)
22:40:47 [AaronSw]
Heh, next thing I know that'll be on the packaging.
22:40:53 [AaronSw]
Redfoot: Messes with your mind
22:41:42 [hazmat]
indeed, its got some neat ideas in it.
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22:42:04 [hazmat]
talilee: look at the redfoot code for some nice python work (some of it anyways ;) )
22:42:41 [hazmat]
the 4suite stuff feels more like brute force than elegance to me. but thats just my sense of code aesthetics speaking.
22:43:58 [eikeon]
James was not able to make ipc10 at the last minute... as he got sick.
22:44:11 [eikeon]
Else I think he was planning on making it.
22:45:34 [eikeon]
Also, James is back in australia now... so we do not get a chance to have as many redfoot F2Fs as we used to :(
22:47:14 [hazmat]
well how bout getting the mailing list going again?
22:47:29 [hazmat]
there was some interest but *nobody* responded
22:50:04 [hazmat]
eikeon: it seemed like you guys abandoned it, which is why i'm glad to hear your interested in getting it rolling again.
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23:17:29 [sbp]
learning languages: difficult to see the words for the characters
23:17:42 [sbp]
except in Chinese, where the words are the characters
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