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03:26:40 <vinge.openprojects.net> topic is: Welcome back, calliope!
03:26:40 <vinge.openprojects.net> Users on #swhack: logster chumpster xena oierw` eikeon walloper deltab tansaku AaronSw sbp deus_x notZakim logster-bak 
03:26:50 <AaronSw> * AaronSw bows
03:27:09 <sbp> phew
03:27:22 <sbp> now transfer the logs, restart things
03:27:27 <sbp> and you're done
04:02:56 <AaronSw> heh, deus_x got linked to
04:09:12 <sbp> * sbp searches for his full name on Google - no matches! Woohoo!
04:27:35 <sbp> Hmph, I'm so hungry...
04:40:52 <sbp> Gotta run
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04:57:49 <AaronSw> hey redmonk, wmf was looking for you
04:57:57 <redmonk> ok...
04:58:00 <AaronSw> i think he wanted someone to distract him from packing ;)
04:58:04 <redmonk> heh
04:59:24 <redmonk> really - any idea what e wanted?
04:59:28 <redmonk> er, he
05:00:36 <AaronSw> i told you what I thought he wanted
05:00:46 <redmonk> ah. just checking
05:01:02 <AaronSw> unless you're really good at AYB/packing puns
05:01:23 <redmonk> all your space are belong to us?
05:01:33 <AaronSw> pack the planet
05:01:38 <redmonk> lol
05:01:48 <redmonk> that's the best
05:01:50 <redmonk> you win
05:01:53 <AaronSw> heh
05:02:04 <AaronSw> i stole it from wmf
05:02:16 <redmonk> heh
05:02:18 <redmonk> cool
05:02:22 <redmonk> we deploy ton ight!!
05:02:27 <redmonk> aaaauuugh!!!
05:02:27 <AaronSw> whee!
05:02:37 <AaronSw> now is when you find the major design flaws
05:02:42 <redmonk> * redmonk runs in circles, gesticulating 
05:02:44 <redmonk> of course
05:02:54 <redmonk> found on alreay but i don't think i can fix it
05:02:57 <redmonk> already
05:03:05 <redmonk> not horrible, but very inefficient
05:03:10 <redmonk> anyway - gotta run
05:03:14 <redmonk> NO DISTRACTIONS!!
05:03:17 <redmonk> ;-)
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05:31:49 <AaronSw> wave bye-bye to logster-bak
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06:09:39 <AaronSw> * AaronSw sets up http://notabug.com/ with cool grunge look
06:14:50 <AaronSw> ok, time to paste all the stuff we've been missing...
06:15:15 <AaronSw> @ http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020319/168/19xte.html
06:15:40 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Welcome back, calliope! Now it's time for chump-o-rama!
06:15:48 <AaronSw> @ http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/04/rauch.htm
06:15:51 <chumpster> A: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/020319/168/19xte.html from AaronSw
06:15:58 <AaronSw> @ http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$7284
06:16:08 <AaronSw> A:from sbp, 2002-03-20
06:16:16 <AaronSw> A::from sbp, 2002-03-20
06:16:21 <AaronSw> A::<sbp> "A full-size fully functional virtual keyboard that can be projected and touched on any surface"
06:16:36 <chumpster> B: http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/04/rauch.htm from AaronSw
06:16:38 <AaronSw> @ http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12420
06:16:59 <AaronSw> @ http://bitzi.com/developer/xml
06:17:08 <chumpster> C: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$7284 from AaronSw
06:17:10 <AaronSw> @ http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/bigdb.html
06:17:16 <AaronSw> @ http://www.google.com/jobs/britney.html
06:17:21 <AaronSw> @ http://techlens.cs.umn.edu/techlens/
06:17:25 <chumpster> commented item A
06:17:26 <AaronSw> @ http://haughey.com/sxsw/2002/
06:17:33 <AaronSw> @ http://www.redmonk.net/index/2002/03/26#item1095
06:17:42 <chumpster> commented item A
06:18:16 <chumpster> D: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12420 from AaronSw
06:18:29 <AaronSw> B:via Mark Bernstein
06:18:34 <AaronSw> B::via Mark Bernstein
06:18:45 <AaronSw> B:|Seeing Around Corners: New artificial societies
06:18:49 <chumpster> E: http://bitzi.com/developer/xml from AaronSw
06:18:56 <AaronSw> C:|NYTimes feeds in RSS
06:19:11 <AaronSw> D:|Noam Chomsky on the Drug-Terror Link
06:19:17 <chumpster> F: http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/bigdb.html from AaronSw
06:19:25 <AaronSw> E::via wmf
06:19:30 <AaronSw> E:|Bitzi XML Ticket Service
06:19:34 <AaronSw> F:|Kragen on Big Databases
06:19:45 <AaronSw> i guess i should move swack to vorpal/notabug.com
06:19:49 <chumpster> G: http://www.google.com/jobs/britney.html from AaronSw
06:20:16 <AaronSw> G:|Mispellings Britney Spears in Google Queries
06:20:17 <chumpster> H: http://techlens.cs.umn.edu/techlens/ from AaronSw
06:20:27 <AaronSw> H:|TechLens: Collaboratively filtered research papers
06:20:49 <chumpster> I: http://haughey.com/sxsw/2002/ from AaronSw
06:20:58 <AaronSw> I:|Matt Haughey: SXSW 2002
06:21:04 <AaronSw> I::Includes Steve Mann footage
06:21:18 <chumpster> J: http://www.redmonk.net/index/2002/03/26#item1095 from AaronSw
06:21:32 <AaronSw> J:|Stupid Political Stuff
06:21:35 <chumpster> commented item B
06:21:38 <AaronSw> J::#swhack makes redmonk.net
06:21:52 <chumpster> titled item B
06:22:08 <AaronSw> A:|Projection Keyboard
06:22:11 <chumpster> titled item C
06:22:28 <chumpster> titled item D
06:22:45 <chumpster> commented item E
06:23:03 <chumpster> titled item E
06:23:20 <chumpster> titled item F
06:23:40 <chumpster> titled item G
06:23:55 <chumpster> titled item H
06:24:12 <chumpster> titled item I
06:24:29 <chumpster> commented item I
06:24:46 <chumpster> titled item J
06:25:04 <chumpster> commented item J
06:25:21 <chumpster> titled item A
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07:19:21 <AaronSw> streeetch
07:19:29 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is away: sleep
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09:59:40 <sbp> cool, chumpster and logster are back
11:09:28 <sbp> @ http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/harper/ianap01.htm
11:09:45 <sbp> [prod]
11:10:01 <chumpster> K: http://www.virtualtimes.com/writers/harper/ianap01.htm from sbp
11:10:28 <sbp> K:|I Am Not A Pig
11:10:44 <chumpster> titled item K
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11:42:38 <sbp> http://www.zmag.org/GlobalWatch/chomskymit.htm is a good article/transcription (via. Aaron)
11:43:13 <sbp> the bit about the liberals not choosing to understand the reason behind the terrorism is quite weird, though
11:43:54 <sbp> I would have thought it's because those out on the left are in a vulnerable position
11:44:54 <sbp> usually, they can be extreme in saying whatever they want... but now, when people expect them to, they can't because there's a lot of emotion, and a lot of misplaced persecution for siding with the terrorists, even if they aren't isding - just looking for reasons
12:02:38 <sbp> @ http://web.archive.org/web/20000229083850/http://www.santafe.edu/~shalizi/Russell/Hearst_Essays/On_Sales_Resistance.html
12:03:13 <chumpster> L: http://web.archive.org/web/20000229083850/http://www.santafe.edu/~shalizi/Russell/Hearst_Essays/On_Sales_Resistance.html from sbp
12:03:18 <sbp> L:|"On Sales Resistance"
12:03:28 <sbp> L::by Bertrand Russell
12:03:34 <chumpster> titled item L
12:03:44 <sbp> L::"""In former times, it was thought that bread is baked in order to be eaten; nowadays we think that it is eaten in order to be baked."""
12:03:51 <chumpster> commented item L
12:04:10 <chumpster> commented item L
12:08:25 <sbp> funny that Aaron equates the legislative branch with democratic voting on his homepage
12:09:34 <sbp> especially seeing as how he went to all the trouble of humourously tying the executive into fighting, and so on
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14:32:44 <sbp> Hey Morbus, Aaron
14:33:39 <AaronSw> what's wrong with it?
14:33:56 <AaronSw> i don't think I was being humorous
14:34:59 <sbp> sure it is. Most people wouldn't make the comparison, so you can't argue that it's "normal"
14:35:05 <sbp> I meant: I know you're serious... but it's still funny
14:35:19 <AaronSw> oh, ok
14:35:44 <AaronSw> Well, I do see those as the three systems of resolving issues - I can't think of anything else.
14:35:53 <AaronSw> It was sort of clever of our founders to tie all three together.
14:38:17 <sbp> whose founders? it's not as if these ideals magiced themselves out of thin air. They come from years of development over in England and France. You guys just got a chance to start anew
14:38:35 <AaronSw> yeah, well there you go
14:38:39 <AaronSw> Ian: "Conclusion: Don't pay 5 times the price for crap. Listen to Hugo."
14:38:57 <AaronSw> why do you think we started anew? because england sucked
14:39:32 <AaronSw> New watson out: http://www.karelia.com/watson/
14:39:37 <AaronSw> it's catching up to xena ;-)
14:39:37 <sbp> hey, we don't suck. We just liked to tax the bollocks off of you all. And frankly, I think you had it coming; running off across the atlantic like that
14:40:15 <AaronSw> why do you think we ran across the atlantic? [chorus: because you sucked]
14:40:46 <sbp> Hmm... I always thought it was because there are more potatoes over there
14:41:15 <AaronSw> ah, could be that too
14:41:30 <AaronSw> but you'd still suck for not having enough potatoes
14:41:33 <Morbus> watson looks good, but i don't like the shareware evil of it.
14:41:40 <Morbus> never used it because of that.
14:41:52 <sbp> Aaron: then we're agreed :-)
14:42:12 <AaronSw> Morbus, hey! you use omnioutliner
14:42:29 <Morbus> yeah, true, but the stuff that watson does isn't anything i can't do on my own.
14:42:43 <AaronSw> i guess so
14:44:42 <AaronSw> woo, Matt Haughey is a genius
14:44:59 <AaronSw> (i.e. he agrees with me) ;-)
14:45:16 <sbp> he
14:45:35 <sbp> append h, times three, intersperse with commas
14:46:02 <AaronSw> :-) Actually, I think the thing is that he has taste, so it works out about the same.
14:46:49 <sbp> .google "Matt Haughey" Genius
14:46:51 <xena> "Matt Haughey" Genius: http://a.wholelottanothing.org/archived.blah/3/01/2001
14:47:47 <sbp> heh: "pimps have to eat too"
14:48:11 <sbp> heh, heh:-
14:48:12 <sbp> [[[
14:48:13 <sbp> XML? XSL? XHTML? Semantic web? Huh?
14:48:13 <sbp> Forget all that. It's about monkey vs robot. That is the explanation for everything.
14:48:14 <sbp> ]]]
14:48:27 <sbp> * sbp listens to "She's Electric"
14:48:31 <AaronSw> lol
15:28:14 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is away: schoooool
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17:00:42 <redmonk> 'lo all
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17:09:59 <eikeon> * eikeon wonders how to turn on timestamps in his IRC client
17:10:35 <Morbus> what irc client?
17:11:19 <deltab> ircii - something like /set timestamp on I imagine
17:12:07 <eikeon> [root@jungle /root]# rpm -qa | grep irc
17:12:09 <eikeon> ircii-4.4Z-4
17:12:49 <deltab> ùíù CTCP VERSION reply from eikeon: ircII 4.4Z Linux 2.4.2-2 :ircii 2.9: AT&T
17:12:54 <eikeon> I should just look for my old .ircrc file... not sure why it is no longer in my home dir
17:22:49 <AaronSw> * AaronSw looks for the fabled inspector gadget techno remix
17:24:09 <AaronSw> OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ 
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18:05:45 <redmonk> 'lo?
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18:07:13 <AaronSw> hi
18:07:20 <redmonk> hi
18:07:28 <redmonk> i see the swhack weblog is back!
18:07:36 <redmonk> likewise blogspace
18:07:38 <redmonk> ;-)
18:07:40 <redmonk> cool
18:07:41 <AaronSw> calliope is back :)
18:07:51 <redmonk> w00t!
18:23:05 <Morbus> moooOo./
18:24:26 <redmonk> hi morb
18:24:37 <Morbus> more work being done on ampheta today. 
18:24:38 <Morbus> yay.
18:24:43 <redmonk> yay!
18:24:47 <redmonk> what work?
18:24:55 <Morbus> more modularization stuff.
18:25:00 <redmonk> excellent
18:25:07 <Morbus> we're fiddling with the My Channels stuff, and making that cleaner, faster, etc.
18:25:15 <redmonk> ah
18:25:28 <Morbus> once that finishes, we'll have a decent amount of code done for the new Add A Channel stuff, so that should go pretty easily as well.
18:25:29 <redmonk> sweet
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18:26:34 <sbp> er... w
18:26:35 <sbp> b
18:27:38 <Morbus> hey sbp. wrong flipping button ;)
18:27:41 <Morbus> er, keycommand, rather.
18:28:36 <AaronSw> woo, the Apple "build web page" applescript rocks
18:28:49 <Morbus> haven't seen it. link?
18:28:57 <AaronSw> it comes with os x
18:29:05 <AaronSw> it's in image capture
18:29:07 <Morbus> ah. 
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18:40:25 <sbp> just surprising that you and rm went at the same time, more or les
18:40:27 <sbp> s
18:40:29 <sbp> * sbp is too n happ
18:40:31 <sbp> y
18:41:08 <Morbus> heh
18:42:55 <AaronSw> hm, watson now starts up with an "Understanding Watson" dialog
18:43:14 <AaronSw> "What you think of as the ³Watson application² may be affected by changes in business models, business closures, changes in acceptable usage terms, etc. As such, Karelia¹s primary goal is to provide Watson users with ever increasing levels of functionality in the face of constant change in the web services landscape."
18:43:59 <Morbus> whaaa?!
18:44:23 <sbp> you and your stupid quote characters...
18:45:11 <Morbus> yeah, i see em to.
18:45:19 <Morbus> him and his stupid black text in the topic.
18:45:24 <sbp> :-)
18:45:50 <AaronSw> hm: http://www.vex.net/parnassus/apyllo.py?i=497721587
18:46:07 <AaronSw> "Watch him extract jumbled code into well ordered classes. Gasp, as he renames all occurrences of a method. Thank You Bicycle Repair Man!"
18:46:35 <sbp> heh: "Thank You Bicycle Repair Man!". And Aaron just quoted it. Crud
18:47:04 <redmonk> mmmmm, burrito
18:47:05 <sbp> I checked this time!
18:47:11 <sbp> wb rm
18:47:28 <redmonk> thx
18:47:39 <sbp> no problem at all. glad to be of service
18:47:46 <redmonk> heh
18:48:09 <Morbus> speaking of /me abuse:
18:48:09 <Morbus> [13:48] * llllllll afk for food
18:48:29 <sbp> ugh
18:51:02 <AaronSw> heh: "Naturally, computer translation isn't perfect, but the results will be at most useful, and at least amusing."
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20:07:39 <redmonk> heh
20:07:55 <redmonk> looks like the AZ-NY blogger get-together is growing
20:08:48 <redmonk> we now have mrbarrett.com, redmonk.net, 120degrees.com, iblog@mac.com, and possibly www.lemurzone.com
20:08:51 <redmonk> in attendence ;-)
20:09:22 <redmonk> http://www.redmonk.net/2002/03/22#item1090
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20:55:05 <AaronSw> there are scientists/theorists/engineers and coders/programmers/hackers. i don't believe our industry has any artists (or 'hackists') yet.
20:55:38 <Morbus> what about the old demo scene?
20:55:53 <Morbus> and the ansi / rip / ascii art scene from bbs's.
20:56:08 <AaronSw> well, the ascii people don't write code
20:56:24 <Morbus> do they have to?
20:56:36 <Morbus> technically ansi isn't code either.
20:56:37 <AaronSw> well, that's what i was referring to by 'our industry'
20:56:44 <AaronSw> what's ansi?
20:56:46 <Morbus> unless you start considering the bleeps and so forth.
20:56:56 <Morbus> if you customize your bash prompt with colors, you're using ansi
20:57:03 <AaronSw> yeah, that's not code
20:57:07 <Morbus> stuff like ]32m; is like "blue" or something.
20:57:12 <AaronSw> in the sense i was considering, at least
20:57:17 <Morbus> ok. well, then there's still the demo scene.
20:57:45 <AaronSw> I was actually talking about beautiful works of programming, not programming that created beautiful works of art.
20:57:54 <Morbus> oh.
20:57:56 <AaronSw> I guess there is the rare exception: some really clean C or assembler programs, I hear.
20:58:04 <Morbus> ... ... what about perl poetry? which is both programming, and art? ;)
20:58:19 <AaronSw> it doesn't do anything tho...
20:58:25 <Morbus> sure, they do.
20:58:37 <Morbus> damian conway wrote a perl poetry script that generated poetry, and was itself, poetic.
20:58:48 <AaronSw> that's pretty cool.
20:58:51 <AaronSw> .google damian perl poetry
20:58:53 <xena> damian perl poetry: http://www.samag.com/tpj/issues
20:59:09 <Morbus> boredom note: http://www.hornet.org/
20:59:13 <Morbus> demo scene archives
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21:02:11 <MorbusIff> argh.
21:02:13 <MorbusIff> here's the other one: http://www.hugi.de/main.php?page=hugi
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21:02:36 <MorbusIff> wasn't damian conway.
21:02:40 <MorbusIff> http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1274/sam05010012/
21:02:45 <MorbusIff> ronald kimbal instead
21:02:50 <SeanP> Grpmgprmgprmgpmph
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21:04:37 <Morbus> i have the actual issue at home with the code.
21:06:50 <AaronSw> cool
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21:08:56 <sbp> not me, guvner
21:09:23 <AaronSw> .wn fecking
21:09:47 <AaronSw> The New Yorker used feckless the other day, it was sort of funny.
21:09:52 <sbp> feck: from Father Ted. Man, I love that show
21:09:55 <sbp> feckless: heh, heh!
21:09:58 <AaronSw> 'stupid art created by feckless youth' or some suck
21:10:00 <AaronSw> err such
21:10:09 <AaronSw> .wn feckless
21:10:10 <xena> feckless defined as:
21:10:11 <xena> - adj 1: not fit to assume responsibility
21:10:12 <xena> - 2: generally incompetent and ineffectual; "feckless attempts to repair the plumbing"; "inept handling of the account" [syn: {inept}]
21:11:14 <sbp> lol @ some suck
21:11:57 <sbp> when portmanteaued as "somesuck", that's a great new word
21:14:44 <sbp> phwoaar, that Morbus is a right piece of ASS
21:14:52 <Morbus> hey! i don't even know any applescript!
21:15:10 <AaronSw> * AaronSw chuckles
21:15:17 <sbp> Apple Script Scripting? heh, heh
21:15:32 <sbp> [OLM]
21:15:40 <AaronSw> AS Studio
21:15:49 <sbp> .google "AS Studio"
21:15:50 <xena> "AS Studio": http://as-studio.com
21:16:02 <AaronSw> i meant applescript studio
21:16:11 <Morbus> way to ruin a joke, sbp, sheesh.
21:16:11 <Morbus> <G>
21:16:24 <sbp> sorry. trouble is, it doesn't really work: right bit of AS Studio. Well, perhaps it does
21:17:09 <sbp> man, I'm gonna owe what's-his-name a quid now
21:17:16 <Morbus> quidditch?
21:17:24 <sbp> at least! or a punch in the arm
21:17:29 <AaronSw> who?
21:17:35 <sbp> what's-his-name
21:17:59 <AaronSw> _:what's-his-name ?x ?y ?
21:18:30 <sbp> ?x = :menionedInIRCBy; ?y = [ foaf:nick "sbp" ] .
21:18:50 <Morbus> ^ mentioned
21:18:54 <sbp> yep
21:19:08 <AaronSw> thanks for being <sarcasm>soooooooo</> helpful
21:19:11 <sbp> .wn menion
21:19:27 <sbp> np
21:19:37 <Morbus> menion defined as:
21:19:52 <Morbus> a man minion. a sexist term used in the days of feudal egypt.
21:19:58 <Morbus> * Morbus shrugs.
21:20:14 <sbp> * sbp is sneezing, coughing, laughing, and typing
21:20:19 <sbp> that's a skill
21:20:51 <davb> davb has quit ()
21:21:34 <Morbus> .spam <theworld@internet> check out the #swhack logs.
21:21:54 <sbp> nOoO!
21:22:05 <Morbus> mmm... nooo is the sound of Morbus going all wonky in the humors again
21:22:09 <AaronSw> whoa, calliope is getting worlddotted
21:22:17 <sbp> heh, heh, heh
21:22:48 <AaronSw> sbp and I should switch places on IRC for a day, methinks
21:22:54 <AaronSw> that'd be funny
21:23:04 <sbp> no it wouldn't
21:23:09 <sbp> actually, it might be
21:23:23 <sbp> sbp is now known as sbp`
21:23:24 <AaronSw> i could practice my 'heh, heh, heh' and you could practice your '/me is away: sneezing'
21:23:28 <AaronSw> AaronSw is now known as sbp
21:23:33 <sbp`> sbp` is now known as AaronSw
21:23:37 <AaronSw> weird
21:23:46 <eikeon> wowa
21:23:52 <eikeon> whoa
21:23:55 <AaronSw> oh! freaky. I'm typing stuff, but Aaron's saying it! aaargh! twilight zone!
21:24:01 <Morbus> Morbus is now known as wkearney99
21:24:07 <AaronSw> frag URIs should be banned forever!
21:24:17 <sbp> heh, heh, heh
21:24:17 <wkearney99> i don't think we should ban them.
21:24:25 <eikeon> eikeon is now known as noekie
21:24:26 <wkearney99> maybe we should just stick them in a comment tag.
21:24:43 <AaronSw> what do you know kearney? you're not even on the RSS-DEV WG thing. I am
21:25:04 <noekie> lol
21:25:09 <noekie> noekie is now known as eikeon
21:25:13 <sbp> comment tags. Interesting, maybe I will try hacking that up in CWM.
21:25:43 <wkearney99> well, see, i'm away from the working groups, so i have a better perspective of what's being done.
21:26:07 <wkearney99> it's much easier to code comment support than uncoding the support, changing DTDs everywhere, you know.
21:26:09 <AaronSw> this new article by (Lessig|Chomsky|Zooko) is quite interesting
21:26:34 <sbp> cite?
21:26:52 <AaronSw> mid:94ut092u4t9u249t24t924ut92w@fakestreet.com
21:27:03 <wkearney99> wkearney99 is now known as Morbus
21:27:52 <AaronSw> I'm not sure who we all are anymore
21:28:33 <sbp> that reminds me of a (Beatles|Dylan|randomOldGuy) song
21:28:57 <AaronSw> I can't spell "stronly" (see my homepage for more details)
21:29:16 <sbp> it's spelled strongly
21:29:54 <AaronSw> so what? I built my own server. How dare you question my authoritae?!
21:30:47 <Morbus> you get your bitchass in the kitchen!
21:31:09 <Morbus> AaronSw, tell me a dirty secret about yourself.
21:31:23 <AaronSw> * AaronSw tries to remember if that's Morbus, Kearney, or rm. It sounds like Morbus...
21:31:40 <AaronSw> I don't have any dirty secrets. I archive my entire life, and put it online for all to see
21:31:48 <AaronSw> well, all the clean bits, anyway
21:31:51 <AaronSw> oops. I've said too much
21:31:56 <Morbus> yeah, i want the dirty bits.
21:32:07 <sbp> heh, heh, heh
21:32:13 <Morbus> youknow, the first time you shat yourself, the second time you shat yourself, and so on and so forth.
21:32:40 <sbp> * sbp creates a infomesh.net/2002/03/27/12/42/37/aaronsw/dirtysecrets/ page
21:33:09 <AaronSw> make sure you keep it - don't you take it down, or I'm telling your mom!
21:33:16 <Morbus> that's right!
21:33:19 <Morbus> cos once you create it...
21:36:59 <AaronSw> I should get started on PyBlogspace again
21:37:28 <sbp> again? Did I ever start in the first place?
21:37:53 <AaronSw> no, you didn't start it, I did. Me. Aaron
21:38:56 <AaronSw> So, Sean, written any new songs today?
21:39:28 <sbp> well, I've written several short bits -- I'm working on combining them now.
21:40:11 <Morbus> AaronSw: we were talking about this earlier: http://www.chc-3.com/pub/beautifulsoftware.htm
21:40:15 <Morbus> well, the concept, at least.
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21:41:07 <sbp> right now, I'm working on getting CWM to generate MIDI files
21:41:11 <AaronSw> Interesting:-
21:41:12 <AaronSw> [[[
21:41:13 <AaronSw> Excuse me, computational hypertext, if you mean what we called "virtual
21:41:13 <AaronSw> hypertext"
21:41:13 <AaronSw> was introduced in the form of the CERN phone book in in 1991 before the web
21:41:13 <AaronSw> software was announced on usenet.  What was introduced in 1993?
21:41:18 <AaronSw> ]]] - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2002Mar/0257
21:41:38 <AaronSw> You and your crazy projects.
21:41:48 <Morbus> huh?
21:42:06 <AaronSw> To sbp.
21:42:27 <redmonk> * redmonk was daydreaming about using macromedia director to generate hypertextual animations with the lyrics to songs by parsing the rdf from...
21:42:36 <redmonk> that music site.
21:42:45 <redmonk> damn can't remember the name
21:42:58 <AaronSw> <sarcasm>By the way, I've decided to use sbp's quoting style, because it's clearly much better than mine.</>
21:43:05 <Morbus> heh, heh.
21:43:15 <sbp> it's good to see you've finally come around.
21:43:28 <AaronSw> rm: MusicBrainz?
21:43:34 <redmonk> asw:yes
21:43:36 <redmonk> thx
21:43:50 <AaronSw> It's the project that I worked on! How could you forget? ;-)
21:44:27 <sbp> don't worry Aaron, nobody remembers the time I got CWM to make dinner. Sometimes we just have to move on to other projects
21:44:45 <redmonk> asw: what?
21:46:54 <AaronSw> MusicBrainz is the project that I helped with. See: http://logicerror.com/musicbrainzArticle
21:47:04 <redmonk> ah! did not know that
21:47:14 <redmonk> you get your hands in everything, aaron
21:47:39 <AaronSw> I try my best.
21:48:06 <redmonk> including oopblick
21:48:10 <redmonk> hahaha
21:48:16 <redmonk> that's programming goo
21:48:18 <sbp> heh, heh!
21:48:32 <AaronSw> The MB article was published in IEEE, in fact.
21:48:38 <AaronSw> Did you download the movie?
21:48:57 <redmonk> * redmonk quotes TPB: "yes, you're very smart. shut up."
21:49:01 <redmonk> yeah
21:49:02 <AaronSw> logicerror.com is a bit slow - can someone try hitting it for me?
21:49:03 <redmonk> cute
21:49:09 <redmonk> i am - and yes it's slow
21:49:19 <AaronSw> I'll have to sort that out.
21:49:22 <sbp> hitting it? won't that hurt the prescious data?
21:50:00 <AaronSw> Not hitting it *hitting* it, silly!
21:50:24 <AaronSw> Ahem. Aaron Swartz, "MusicBrainz: A Semantic Web Service", IEEE Intelligent Systems, Jan/Feb 2002, pp. 76-77. (PDF, old HTML).
21:50:29 <AaronSw> ;-)
21:52:13 <sbp> Aaron, how come http://www.aaronsw.com/about returns XML instead of HTML?
21:52:24 <sbp> I have to add the .html as in http://www.aaronsw.com/about.html
21:52:50 <AaronSw> Why not? I can submit it to DanBri's FOAF database then.
21:53:06 <thc> thc (~lambda@modem-1322.monkey.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack
21:53:06 <sbp> well, you could by adding .xrdf
21:53:49 <eikeon> Or do it by content negotiation?
21:54:10 <sbp> Apache should be doing that...
21:54:13 <AaronSw> Why add all that extra redundancy?
21:54:24 <AaronSw> The extension, I mean.
21:54:55 <sbp> how is it redundant?
21:55:36 <AaronSw> What's the point in making the URI longer, when I want to serve XML as the default?
21:55:49 <sbp> why do you want to serve XML as the default?
21:56:00 <sbp> and oh dear, you're using fragments!
21:56:02 <AaronSw> Note the Content-Location header.
21:56:26 <AaronSw> Oops, I've got to go. Dinner
21:56:31 <sbp> what does that have to do with anything?
21:56:32 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is away: dinner
21:56:42 <sbp> oh, feck!
21:56:46 <sbp> Gotta run
21:59:02 <Morbus> oh hey, AaronSw or sbp, i had a question.
21:59:04 <Morbus> mmkay.
21:59:15 <Morbus> currently, in the ampheta OPML, i use "xmlurl" to represent the URL to the RSS file.
21:59:20 <Morbus> of course, it starts with http://
21:59:34 <Morbus> what i'd like to do is have the ability to do something like plugin://pluginname
21:59:48 <redmonk> hm
21:59:50 <redmonk> go on
21:59:51 <Morbus> which would say "hey, we got a scraper named <pluginname> in ~/plugins, so use that for the XML data.
21:59:52 <Morbus> thoughts?
22:00:29 <redmonk> what does the plugin scrape?
22:00:32 <redmonk> just one site?
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22:00:53 <Morbus> right. there'd be one plugin whose purpose would be to suck down the HTML and create a valid RSS file from it.
22:00:53 <redmonk> or should it be <pluginname>://source
22:01:02 <AaronSw`> * AaronSw` waves from the dinnertable
22:01:04 <redmonk> ah
22:01:05 <redmonk> hehe
22:01:14 <redmonk> * redmonk waves, spills drink
22:01:26 <AaronSw`> * AaronSw` reads logs
22:01:34 <AaronSw`> Ugh, not new URI schemes!
22:01:34 <Morbus> well, i don't like <pluginname>:// becuase it doesn't adequately say that its a plugin.
22:01:41 <Morbus> yeah, i knew you'd say that AaronSw`, thats why i was asking.
22:01:52 <redmonk> fine
22:01:55 <redmonk> have it your way
22:01:56 <redmonk> ;-)
22:02:02 <Morbus> i don't want to use :// but that's my intention. so, thoughts?
22:02:12 <AaronSw`> you can't tell the plugin from the file?
22:02:20 <Morbus> hmm?
22:02:31 <AaronSw`> There's no way to tell which plugin to use just by looking at the file?
22:02:32 <Morbus> like plugin.pl would create a <filename>.rss in the normal place. 
22:02:40 <Morbus> just as if <filename>.rss had been downloaded from the web.
22:02:47 <AaronSw`> I see...
22:02:53 <Morbus> instead of GETting the data, we're having the plugin create the rss with a scrape
22:03:19 <redmonk> morb - why are you using opml - wanted to ask that
22:03:22 <AaronSw`> You're probably best off with a contenttype attribute with the plugin as a value.
22:03:26 <Morbus> compatibility with radio userland.
22:03:33 <redmonk> ah. why?
22:03:56 <Morbus> because amphetadesk was greatly influenced by the agg. in the first RU release.
22:03:57 <AaronSw`> I think RU uses something like that... maybe it's nodeType
22:04:05 <Morbus> and anything I did, I wanted easy swapping between the two.
22:04:11 <redmonk> cool
22:04:23 <Morbus> AaronSw, but then that would leave xmlurl blank.
22:04:28 <Morbus> right. ok.
22:04:32 <Morbus> so...
22:04:38 <AaronSw`> Doesn't the plugin need to know a URL to scrape?
22:05:05 <Morbus> <outline type="plugin.pl" htmlurl="valid URI">
22:05:15 <AaronSw`> yeah, that looks good
22:05:21 <Morbus> k.
22:05:28 <Morbus> plugins may be in the next version, btw :)
22:05:48 <Morbus> basically, with the outlne above, there'd also be a filename="" attribute.
22:06:16 <Morbus> as long as the plugin could be "run" by AmphetaDesk, passed the (htmlurl, filename) as parameters, then the internals wouldn't matter.
22:06:36 <Morbus> the plugin would be expected to save the rss into ~/channels/filename and that'd be it.
22:07:45 <Morbus> thoughts?
22:08:02 <AaronSw`> sounds cool
22:08:09 <Morbus> with this current idea, AaronSw`, you could create a perl plugin that just system's a python script.
22:08:17 <Morbus> suddently, you can write python plugins, assuming python is on the system.
22:08:24 <AaronSw`> why can't you just write the plugin in Python?
22:08:32 <AaronSw`> and use normal UNIX calling
22:08:39 <Morbus> right, that's the idea.
22:08:41 <AaronSw`> (system, i guess in perl)
22:08:47 <Morbus> oh, i gotcha...
22:08:48 <Morbus> hmm...
22:09:02 <Morbus> well, then, there'd have be to command line flag support on the OS.
22:09:11 <Morbus> and i don't think that's possible on Classic Mac.
22:09:27 <AaronSw`> i'm pretty sure it is...
22:09:29 <Morbus> like "plugin.pl -htmlurl= -filename="
22:09:47 <Morbus> welp, then i'd have to start worrying about executables and permissions and so forth.
22:10:08 <Morbus> if plugin.pl wasn't executable (how do you make a os 9 file "executable") then a simple command like that wouldn't work.
22:10:14 <AaronSw`> yeah, i gues
22:10:44 <Morbus> i'd have to start worrying about "perl plugin.pl" and "python plugin.py" and so forth.
22:10:57 <AaronSw`> no, that's what shbang is for
22:11:16 <AaronSw`>  #!/usr/bin/python
22:11:19 <redmonk> shebang never works for me
22:11:20 <AaronSw`> hmm, not very cross-platform
22:11:22 <Morbus> well, assuming that the file is executable, yeah.
22:11:25 <Morbus> right.
22:11:42 <redmonk> [[[
22:11:45 <redmonk> [staging:/Build/Scripts] sid% ./tarApps.sh 
22:11:45 <redmonk> ./tarApps.sh: Command not found.
22:11:45 <redmonk> ]]]
22:11:59 <Morbus> yeah.
22:12:01 <AaronSw`> what's the first line?
22:12:05 <AaronSw`> of tarApps.sh
22:12:11 <Morbus> i'd rather just have a one line perl script that systems() off to the right stuff, controlled by the plugin author.
22:12:26 <AaronSw`> it's in /bin/sh i think
22:12:34 <AaronSw`> no /usr/
22:12:37 <redmonk> ah
22:13:00 <redmonk> funny how that helps.
22:13:04 <Morbus> heh, heh
22:13:08 <redmonk> * redmonk smacks forehead
22:13:32 <Morbus> AaronSw`, via python, what's the easiest way to send CL flags to a script? 
22:13:49 <AaronSw`> to call another script from within python?
22:13:50 <redmonk> on the command line ;-)
22:13:58 <Morbus> no...
22:14:11 <Morbus> like say ./script.py could accept two CL arguments.
22:14:26 <redmonk> -arg val -arg val
22:14:28 <Morbus> what's easier: -htmlurl="" --htmlurl="", or just 
22:14:29 <Morbus> k
22:14:34 <redmonk> IMO only
22:14:45 <Morbus> k.
22:14:48 <redmonk> * redmonk defers to asw + sbp
22:14:59 <Morbus> once i get that plugin stuff built in, i'd like to test it with some of you then.
22:15:14 <AaronSw`> oh, I see what you mean
22:15:28 <AaronSw`> easiest is probably ./script.py htmlurlhere otherthinghere
22:15:37 <Morbus> k
22:15:39 <redmonk> oh yeah
22:16:17 <Morbus> see, at least with a perl plugin wrapper, i don't have to worry about executable permissions or even shabangs - i can eval right within the code.
22:16:53 <Morbus> AaronSw: tell me why "type" is the best solution for representing the plugin in the <outline>
22:17:01 <Morbus> pff. god, i said "solution".
22:17:04 <Morbus> you know what i mean.
22:17:13 <AaronSw`> well, using an enterprise management system...
22:17:26 <Morbus> heh heh
22:17:31 <AaronSw`> it's because new url schemes are bad and metadata is good
22:17:39 <AaronSw`> it doesn't have to be called type, tho
22:17:40 <Morbus> right, i know about the url stuff.
22:17:51 <Morbus> i didn't want to use url stuff, but thats the quickest way i could get across what i wanted ;)
22:18:03 <Morbus> i mean, could i just name it plugin="" and be done with it?
22:18:19 <Morbus> there's nothing "special" about "type"?
22:18:30 <AaronSw`> type is what RU uses to decide what the type of the outline node is
22:18:32 <redmonk> well, only in RU
22:18:51 <Morbus> gimme some examples? rtf? html?
22:18:51 <AaronSw`> like link/song/buddy/code/comment
22:18:54 <Morbus> ah. ok.
22:19:01 <Morbus> ahhh.
22:19:12 <Morbus> well, if i were to take that to heart, then it'd be like type="plugin".
22:20:34 <redmonk> yeah
22:20:39 <Morbus> on a side note, there are plans to have filename=""'s be URIs on other systems.
22:21:02 <AaronSw`> what do you mean?
22:21:03 <redmonk> * redmonk remembers again why he hates OPML in it's current incarnation
22:21:08 <Morbus> so someone with an always on machine could either host the scraper data himself for everyone, or else upload it every hour to a always on server, allowing other people to use the scraper data.
22:21:15 <redmonk> * redmonk must one day rewrite OPML as rdf
22:21:55 <AaronSw`> ah
22:22:04 <Morbus> what do you think about that?
22:22:09 <AaronSw`> neat
22:22:27 <Morbus> becuause i want the scrapers on the local ampheta install, but i do want the data to be shared too.
22:22:41 <Morbus> remove the server tech, but release the data garnered.
22:23:27 <Morbus> actually...
22:23:30 <Morbus> i wouldn't even have to do that.
22:23:38 <Morbus> have filename="" be a remote uri.
22:23:59 <Morbus> i could just have a prefernece of "upload scraped data to host|un|pw|dir" and then have a function that plugins could call.
22:24:06 <Morbus> mirror_to_scraped_server or whatever.
22:24:45 <Morbus> downside to that is I'm forcing plugin authors to *use* mirror_to_scraped_server as opposed to save_to($filename);
22:24:57 <Morbus> where save_to would do the work for the local system and the remote server
22:25:14 <redmonk> why not put the login in save_to
22:25:20 <redmonk> er, logic
22:25:28 <Morbus> yeah... thats what i'm thinking.
22:25:32 <Morbus> actually, i could go even further.
22:25:36 <Morbus> instead of passing $filename to the plugin.
22:25:53 <Morbus> i could just assume that the plugin is going to return the RSS file to Ampheta, and then ampheta would handle the saving.
22:26:02 <redmonk> "actually, i could go even further..."
22:26:08 <Morbus> then, the plugin would truly ONLY be the scraper, as opposed to being a scraper and a filesaver.
22:26:18 <redmonk> "actually, i could go even further..."
22:26:20 <Morbus> yeah, that would work a lot better.
22:26:21 <redmonk> ;-)
22:26:26 <Morbus> hehehe
22:26:35 <Morbus> shuddup ;)
22:27:09 <redmonk> i think every perl hacker is really in the process of trying to (possibly unconsciously) create the perl os
22:27:17 <redmonk> "actually, i could go even further..."
22:27:22 <Morbus> hehehe.
22:27:26 <Morbus> there has been work on a perl os.
22:27:30 <AaronSw`> sorta like zawinski's law
22:27:30 <redmonk> i know
22:27:37 <Morbus> and a complete redux of all the gnu utils in perl.
22:27:41 <AaronSw`> ewww!
22:27:50 <AaronSw`> that's the most disgusting thing i've ever heard
22:27:52 <redmonk> <shudder>
22:27:54 <AaronSw`> i need to go lie down now...
22:28:07 <Morbus> AaronSw`: http://www.perl.com/language/ppt/
22:28:57 <Morbus> yeah...
22:29:00 <Morbus> the more i think about it.
22:29:12 <Morbus> the plugin wil just accept a URL and return a RSS file.
22:29:20 <Morbus> ampheta would do the rest.
22:29:29 <Morbus> that would make them far more transportable to things outside of ampheta too.
22:33:01 <redmonk> cool
22:36:52 <Morbus> this also would allow me to make a blogifyYourPage plugin.
22:36:57 <Morbus> that could be passed on.
22:37:13 <Morbus> which would allow me to say "hey! use this XMLURL first, but if it fails, then use the plugin="" instead"
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22:38:57 <sbp`> Nice conneg setup on /about
22:39:05 <Morbus> huh?
22:39:39 <sbp`> On aaronsw.com
22:40:01 <eikeon> Do not think he is doing content negotiation... could do though :)
22:40:09 <sbp`> He is
22:40:16 <eikeon> Cool.
22:41:04 <sbp`> indeed
22:43:15 <Morbus> you could even go further...
22:43:39 <Morbus> multiple plugins could be odne like plugins="morbus,geomisk,sbp"
22:43:51 <Morbus> morbus would run, pipe to geomisk, pipe to sbp, and sbp would be used as the final RSS feed.
22:44:04 <sbp`> geomisk?
22:44:12 <Morbus> good friend of mine. he suggested the idea.
22:44:15 <Morbus> logster, where am i?
22:44:15 <Morbus> See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-03-27#T22-44-15
22:45:33 <sbp`> * sbp` reads
22:46:32 <Morbus> yeah, just missed an ampheta plugin discussion.
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22:57:22 <SeanP> this "range of HTTP" discussion on www-tag get weirder by the minute
22:57:24 <SeanP> Tim still maintains that the range of HTTP is a generic document
22:57:25 <SeanP> I do think that most people off of the street would agree if you reasoned with them a bit
23:07:14 <SeanP> Hmm...
23:07:22 <SeanP> I tried making a conversational text editor once
23:08:35 <thc> that could be interesting
23:09:15 <thc> I think Emacs has such a feature, optionally
23:09:23 <SeanP> really? odd
23:10:01 <thc> I remember something about a text editor with AI-incorporation... I think Emacs.
23:10:17 <SeanP> AI?
23:10:47 <thc> for conversation...
23:10:49 <SeanP> I meant conversational editing mode: no AI invloved
23:10:57 <thc> OK :-)
23:11:04 <SeanP> I guess the phrase is misleading... :-)
23:11:31 <thc> Yes, misleading in the sense of having exatly one (real) meaning, which isn't the one you intended.
23:11:35 <SeanP> cf. http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Conversations
23:11:43 <thc> Oh
23:11:44 <SeanP> no
23:11:55 <thc> :o) my mistake, probably
23:12:13 <SeanP> Well, I didn't really expect you to have read that document... :-)
23:12:38 <SeanP> Sorry... I tend to talk to myself in #swhack. It's quite a shock to have someone reply!
23:13:17 <Morbus> Morbus (morbus@s92.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack
23:14:08 <SeanP> Hey Morbus.
23:14:23 <thc> *hmm* so is a conversational text editor a line editor?
23:14:35 <SeanP> thc: yep. got it in one
23:14:46 <SeanP> as you can probably tell, it didn't work all that well
23:15:06 <SeanP> actually, it may have done. but only for editing very small files
23:15:31 <thc> OK
23:16:00 <SeanP> OTOH, you may as well just scribble into IRC
23:16:14 <SeanP> but you can't do search and replaces on IRC :-)
23:16:18 <thc> :-)
23:21:43 <sbp`> sbp` has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:22:18 <Morbus> Morbus is now known as sbp`
23:23:05 <Morbus> Morbus (sbp@m321-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack
23:23:14 <sbp`> hey Morbus
23:23:26 <Morbus> Hey sbpster
23:24:55 <sbp`> working on Ampheta tonight?
23:24:56 <Morbus> Ampheta work has gone well today
23:25:12 <Morbus> snap
23:25:16 <sbp`> what'd you get done?
23:25:40 <Morbus> more modularization stuff.
23:26:12 <sbp`> any multithreading?
23:26:26 <Morbus> nup, not yet. gonna be doing the Channels stuff soon.
23:26:51 <Morbus> * Morbus respawns
23:27:24 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Twilight Zone
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23:27:50 <MorbusIff> MorbusIff (morbus@s92.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack
23:27:53 <Morbus> heh
23:28:15 <SeanP> chumpster didn't like that
23:28:34 <MorbusIff> MorbusIff is now known as redmonk`
23:28:57 <redmonk> redmonk is now known as MorbusIf`
23:29:04 <MorbusIf`> ha
23:29:26 <jillzilla> jillzilla (~jill@216-239-45-4.google.com) has joined #swhack
23:29:29 <jillzilla> hello
23:29:33 <sbp`> isn't it with two f's?
23:29:37 <sbp`> hey jillzilla.
23:29:39 <AaronSw`> hi jill
23:29:42 <jillzilla> hey.
23:29:44 <MorbusIf`> MorbusIf` is now known as redmonk
23:30:01 <AaronSw`> * AaronSw` will disappear in a second for a couple days
23:30:06 <redmonk`> passover?
23:30:16 <AaronSw`> yeah
23:30:21 <jillzilla> * jillzilla will disappear for ten days in a couple of days.
23:30:34 <sbp`> where are you going?
23:30:41 <redmonk`> * redmonk` readies his rocket launcher...
23:30:41 <jillzilla> Michigan and Ontario.
23:30:45 <redmonk> redmonk has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Twilight Zone
23:30:50 <redmonk> huh
23:30:54 <redmonk> weird
23:30:54 <sbp`> stupid black text.
23:31:04 <redmonk> not my idea
23:31:15 <redmonk> was exploring snak channnel options
23:31:24 <sbp> Michigan: fun!
23:31:36 <jillzilla> * jillzilla raises an eyebrow.
23:31:40 <MorbusIff> MorbusIff (sbp@m128-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack
23:31:52 <sbp`> hey MorbusIff
23:31:59 <MorbusIff> hey sbpster
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23:32:03 <sbp> sbp is now known as AaronSw`
23:32:06 <MorbusIff> jillllll!
23:32:13 <redmonk`> * redmonk` snipes Morbus
23:32:17 <jillzilla> * jillzilla is Untrusting.
23:32:30 <sbp``> sbp`` (sbp@m128-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack
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23:32:44 <sbp`> AaronSw, I think dirc is screwing up again
23:32:51 <AaronSw> \nick sbp
23:32:52 <AaronSw`> hmm
23:33:06 <AaronSw> slashy slashy slash slash
23:33:08 <redmonk`> who's jillzilla?
23:33:08 <AaronSw> AaronSw is now known as sbp
23:33:12 <AaronSw`> * AaronSw` checks, yep i'm the real AaronSw
23:33:15 <jillzilla> jillzilla is now known as AaronSw
23:33:20 <sbp> * sbp prods self
23:33:23 <sbp`> ow!
23:33:41 <sbp> * sbp shall be softer next time
23:33:59 <MorbusIff> heh
23:33:59 <sbp`> and gentler!
23:34:27 <redmonk`> http://www.redmonk.net/2002/03/26#item1095
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23:35:36 <MorbusIff> * MorbusIff respawns
23:35:38 <MorbusIff> blam!
23:35:55 <sbp`> two Morbus'. i don't know what to do with myself.
23:36:08 <MorbusIff> prod yourself again.
23:36:13 <sbp> * sbp prods himself
23:36:22 <sbp`> argh! dammit. softer!
23:36:40 <MorbusIff> by the way, the plural for Morbus is Morbuses, you freak.
23:36:51 <thc> :-)
23:36:56 <sbp`> i always thought it was Morbusii.
23:37:05 <MorbusIff> Morbii!
23:37:15 <MorbusIff> like in \x70.
23:37:15 <AaronSw> Morbes.
23:38:11 <AaronSw`> so what brings you here, jill?
23:38:20 <AaronSw`> or AaronSw
23:38:31 <AaronSw> AaronSw is now known as jillzilla
23:38:34 <jillzilla> I was asked.
23:38:39 <AaronSw`> * AaronSw` is too far asleep to make sense anymore
23:38:52 <AaronSw`> AaronSw` is now known as AaronSw
23:38:58 <jillzilla> asleep?
23:39:03 <AaronSw> Yeah
23:39:11 <jillzilla> Is everybody his or her usual self now?
23:39:14 <jillzilla> Why are you asleep?
23:39:17 <AaronSw> Oh, interesting. Now I just need to figure out who asked you.
23:39:34 <AaronSw> asleep: dunno, i think it's because I stayed up too late last night.
23:39:37 <MorbusIff> MorbusIff has changed the topic to: I heard that Who's Who just gave up on #swhack
23:39:58 <sbp`> yup.
23:39:59 <sbp`> i think.
23:40:02 <jillzilla> jillzilla has changed the topic to: I heard that Who's Who just gave up on #swhack | But Who's What is interested.
23:40:06 <sbp`> Morbus needs to kill himself.
23:40:33 <MorbusIff> BwahaHahHa!
23:41:02 <AaronSw> I think I liked the world better with one sbp instead of three...
23:41:13 <jillzilla> * jillzilla sends MorbusIff a cyanide placebo.
23:41:33 <MorbusIff> * MorbusIff gulps. farts. carries on with life.
23:41:59 <chumpster> chumpster (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack
23:42:00 <AaronSw> See, if MorbusIff kills Morbus, then he can impersonate Morbus... oh never mind
23:42:15 <jillzilla> Didn't I see a movie like this once?
23:42:21 <sbp`> face off?
23:42:21 <jillzilla> Or an old Star Trek episode?
23:42:31 <sbp`> mirror, mirror?
23:42:48 <AaronSw> There was a scene in Monkey Island 4...
23:42:48 <jillzilla> * jillzilla notes that sbp is an answerbot.
23:43:03 <jillzilla> I thought it was Italian Girls in Prison...
23:43:04 <MorbusIff> Mirror, mirror was great. The beard!
23:43:08 <sbp`> heh!
23:43:09 <thc> Invasion of the Body Snatchers?
23:43:20 <MorbusIff> heheheh
23:45:09 <MorbusIff> * MorbusIff respawns
23:45:59 <AaronSw> * AaronSw slowly becomes less asleep
23:46:04 <MorbusIff> /me runs screaming into a wall.
23:46:42 <MorbusIff> * MorbusIff smacks Snak.
23:47:05 <sbp> whheeeeeeee!
23:47:08 <sbp> *splutch*
23:47:21 <MorbusIff> you said it, boy.
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23:48:43 <sbp`> sbp` is now known as Morbus
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23:48:55 <AaronSw> ta ta
23:48:56 <AaronSw> * AaronSw disappears into the mists of time, perhaps never to return
23:49:03 <SeanP> SeanP has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
23:49:14 <sbp> bye then
23:49:39 <sbp> get us something nice
23:50:56 <jillzilla> * jillzilla peers into the mist after AaronSw.
23:50:58 <jillzilla> Ah, well.
23:51:24 <redmonk> morbus: were you redmonk`?
23:51:36 <sbp> *splutch*
23:51:43 <Morbus> huh? no. weirdo.
23:52:03 <redmonk> was wondering who posted the url
23:52:11 <Morbus> i assumed you.
23:52:12 <redmonk> (ie, who's been reading my site... ;-))
23:52:14 <redmonk> nope
23:52:19 <Morbus> odd.
23:52:23 <redmonk> * redmonk has no `
23:52:28 <Morbus> wait.
23:52:31 <Morbus> how do i know you're redmonk?
23:52:35 <Morbus> isn't he normally rm?
23:52:44 <redmonk> not for a while now, morbus
23:52:48 <redmonk> iregistered redmonk
23:52:50 <Morbus> uh huh. 
23:52:50 <jillzilla> Wait, did I tell all those fantasies to someone other than Morbus?
23:52:57 <Morbus> fantasies?
23:52:57 <Morbus> pff.
23:53:01 <Morbus> i think i would have remembered.
23:53:02 <redmonk> * redmonk snickers
23:53:05 <Morbus> what fantasies?
23:53:08 <sbp> * sbp snickers even more
23:53:15 <Morbus> * Morbus butterfingers.
23:53:19 <jillzilla> Well, like, the one about the My Little Pony dolls.
23:53:30 <sbp> Morbus butterfingers: was that one of them?
23:53:30 <Morbus> my pony! my pony! my pony and MmemeeeEE!
23:53:40 <jillzilla> * jillzilla combs the pony's long silky hair.
23:54:03 <jillzilla> sbp:  The butter came in later.
23:54:09 <sbp> wow, did *everyone* on the planet have a My Little Pony, or what?
23:54:13 <jillzilla> I didn't.
23:54:17 <sbp> aw...
23:54:26 <jillzilla> How many did you have?
23:54:31 <sbp> not many
23:55:25 <jillzilla> I didn't know they were a bothsexes toy.  I thought they were girltoys.
23:55:38 <sbp> they are, AFAIK
23:56:56 <sbp> slow tonight
23:59:37 <sbp> PP is doing more REST wonders on TAG