00:00:16 neat 00:00:34 sbp.define("u script") 00:00:42 why t=p=1? 00:00:52 Oh 00:00:54 fast dual assignment 00:01:06 yes, I didn't see the while condition 00:01:25 * tomc is probably up too late 00:01:29 heh 00:02:59 u scripts are my little utility scripts, that I kinda namespaced out of the standard unix binaries path 00:03:19 cool 00:03:19 so, when I come up with a new script, e.g. blargh, I just put it in my utilities dir 00:03:28 and then I can run it with `u blargh` 00:03:44 e.g. 00:03:44 $ u timenow 00:03:44 20020319-000502 00:04:00 which is useful for spewing output 00:04:13 dosomething > output`u timenow`.txt 00:04:22 nooOO! 20 more emails! 00:04:23 I have a few utility scripts... 00:04:38 Hmm: http://www.alpiri.com/ 00:05:07 who's that supposed to be? 00:05:22 "Alpiri is building software for Semantic Web Services." - http://web.archive.org/web/20020204140021/http://www.alpiri.com/index.html 00:05:26 who: Guha, AFAIK 00:05:58 I have a readable version of that two-liner, if anyone's interested 00:06:07 please, deltab! 00:06:34 it's 18 lines :-) 00:06:44 send it to www-archive, perhaps? 00:07:38 so, is www-archive just a place to spurt crap? it has no topic? 00:07:43 yep 00:07:48 ooOoh ;) 00:08:26 it's the SMTP-to-HTTP counterpart of #swhack's IRC-to-HTTP functionality, I suppose :-) 00:08:40 with a bit of compression and no copy of the original: 00:08:41 import sys 00:08:41 text = open(sys.argv[1]) 00:08:41 pad = open(sys.argv[2]) 00:08:41 while 1: 00:08:41 t = text.read(1) 00:08:43 if not t: break 00:08:45 p = pad.read(1) 00:08:47 if not p: break 00:08:49 sys.stdout.write(chr(ord(t) ^ ord(p))) 00:10:33 'tworks 00:10:54 00:11:11 that was one hell of a phone call, asw! 00:11:13 wb 00:13:54 no more email! 00:13:55 whoo! 00:14:01 i shall close the program quickly so it may not sneak up on me! 00:14:03 congrats 00:14:08 no! its checking again! 00:14:15 oh phew. 00:14:17 alt.email.die.die.die 00:14:18 just ML stuff. 00:14:29 mmkay. 00:14:31 now what? 00:14:37 usenet! 00:14:40 wheeee! 00:14:41 new backend for amp 00:14:46 lol 00:14:52 hehe, no time for amph. 00:14:55 i've got deadlines. 00:14:59 heh 00:15:14 paying deadlines, rather ;) 00:15:34 B:|A Logging System for Python 00:15:34 Home 00:15:39 titled item B 00:15:49 Home? 00:16:24 * rm hangs head: aaronsw did not like rm's title 00:16:42 You screwed up a perfectly good title, young man! 00:17:10 'tis destiny 00:17:34 you could just add the utilities dir to your path, instead of the odd u thing 00:18:41 er... of course, but then I might conflict with som othe rprogram 00:18:45 that was one hell of a phone call, asw! 00:18:45 Yeah, RobbB phone calls tend to be long. 00:20:06 i haven't gotten a response on my decepticon article. 00:20:11 then call them all 2002.infomesh.* 00:20:11 sniff. 00:20:32 or whatever :) 00:21:50 is there any way to get the snak button thing to show on the bootom of the screen? 00:22:32 yeah, you were right about the popup in ooutliner, red 00:27:38 m: cool 00:29:10 how did "cool" come to be used as a synonym for "good"? that's just bizarre 00:29:28 blame the '60's 00:29:55 *blame*? the 60's? me??? :-) 00:29:57 when being cool was (IMO) an expression of stoicism 00:30:15 the cool cats were the ones who never got ruffled 00:30:18 ;-) 00:30:28 that was the 50's... 00:30:36 the change in "nice" is even more bizarre 00:30:45 yeah whatever 00:30:53 i wasn't alive in either decade 00:30:58 heh, heh 00:31:00 so what do i know 00:32:09 Hmm... Davy Graham is an awesome guitarist 00:32:20 never heard of him 00:32:38 really? 00:32:43 .google "Davy Graham" 00:32:44 "Davy Graham": http://www.geocities.com/davygraham 00:33:16 cool 00:36:59 Fascinatng: http://www.philipglass.com/glassengine/ 00:37:40 @ http://www.philipglass.com/glassengine/ 00:37:48 C: http://www.philipglass.com/glassengine/ from AaronSw 00:37:55 C:|The IBM Glass Engine 00:37:57 titled item C 00:38:27 C::A database of Philip Glass' work, presented in a novel new format for browsing the different axes (density, velocity, date, title) 00:38:28 commented item C 00:39:18 very cool 00:39:38 Gives a whole new meaning to "playing the glasses" 00:40:12 heh, heh 00:40:19 add the comment! 00:40:25 C::Gives a whole new meaning to "playing the glasses" 00:40:26 commented item C 00:40:32 :-) 00:40:47 :-) 00:41:04 :-) 00:41:20 :-)^2 00:41:23 ha! 00:41:53 :-)8 00:41:53 and i don't even have to flip the eight around. 00:41:59 it works perfectly as the infinity halo ;) 00:42:08 C::The bounds-adjustment system is an ingenious way of finding relationships -- it'd be cool to use such a system in scientific experiments -- much easier that visualizing n-dimensional graphs. 00:42:08 commented item C 00:42:09 argh! foiled again! 00:42:55 hm: bounds-ajustment in RDF exploration 00:43:00 adjustment 00:46:39 tomc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:49:51 oh, I just remembered something 00:50:14 no, i already dropped your underwear in the mail. 00:50:20 lol 00:50:27 ah, thanks 00:50:50 wow, that was almost very embarrasing 00:51:30 goddamn, this next apache article i'm working on will NOT die. 00:51:50 heh 00:53:30 tomc (~lambda@modem-3121.python.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 00:53:35 its 3200 words, and i'm not even half done. 00:53:37 wwb tomc 00:53:41 ouch 00:53:47 tty 00:54:01 llol 00:54:27 who are you laughing at? 00:54:29 * tomc was talking about teletypes, of course 00:54:36 oh. nevermind. 00:54:42 i get it. 00:54:47 Does Python have an equivalent of lisp's listp? 00:54:58 hah! 00:55:02 a use for... 00:55:02 a function to check if it's argument's a list or not 00:55:16 type(foo) is list 00:55:20 damn, finding uri 00:55:22 will return a boolean 00:55:22 aha 00:55:29 * AaronSw is away: dinner 00:55:35 OK, thankyou :O) 00:56:01 tomc: http://www.redmonk.net/1065 00:56:03 ;-) 00:58:12 hehe damn well write it then :-) 00:58:19 heh 00:58:22 werkin on it 00:58:35 slow going, what with paying work and all 00:58:37 :-) 00:58:59 Oh, I can imagine... 00:59:16 you're thinking ahead of humanity there, though. 00:59:27 ? 00:59:29 rm: interesting 00:59:43 I mean it's a good idea :-) 00:59:43 damn those SATs ;-) 00:59:44 * sbp doesn't know how he missed that posting 01:00:11 http://www.redmonk.net/categories/semanticweb 01:00:50 >>> type(list) 01:00:51 01:00:52 >>> type(list) is list 01:00:53 0 01:01:03 * tomc is confuzzled 01:01:09 type(list) is a 'type' object 01:01:24 yes 01:01:24 not a list class object 01:01:28 type.list? 01:01:30 "is list" 01:01:39 means "is the list class" 01:01:50 what are you trying to do? 01:01:52 yes, understood 01:02:11 well I want to compare it to a type object that's 'list' 01:02:11 >>> import types 01:02:11 >>> type([]) is types.ListType 01:02:11 1 01:02:11 >>> 01:02:20 aha 01:02:22 ahhh 01:02:24 like that 01:02:28 or, even easier... 01:02:28 tada! 01:02:44 >>> listThing = [] 01:02:44 >>> type(listThing) is type([]) 01:02:44 1 01:02:44 >>> 01:02:54 Aha! 01:02:56 ah - no import 01:03:05 * tomc is amazed at genius 01:03:07 (python trade war) 01:03:12 heh, heh 01:03:46 I just read these things on the back of cereal boxes; don't be too impressed 01:03:56 i want that cereal 01:04:03 mine all have inrgedients and puzzles 01:04:17 :-) 01:05:02 *hmm* mine tells me I'm healthier after I've eaten it... 01:05:25 or I have a better life or something 01:05:29 heh, heh 01:05:42 yours can speak? it must have something quite odd in it 01:06:04 yes, I eat children 01:06:22 aaron! run!!! 01:06:25 lol 01:08:34 I got a magazine/newsletter about glasses today. Oh the fun. 01:09:24 i can't get rid of a stupid JDJ subscription i got 01:09:50 It has a little bit about choosing colours of glasses, based on your skin colour 01:10:00 but it assumes you're white 01:10:06 lol 01:10:08 typical 01:10:13 and all the pictures depict caucasian people 01:10:29 so I thought I'd write a letter of complaint >:) 01:11:02 go get 'em 01:11:11 also the font is smallish, which is stupid since it's for visually impaired people 01:11:40 heh, I'm white and I can read it fine, but complaining's fun. 01:11:50 sure 01:12:28 though I will have to spend 35(GBP/100) or something on a stamp... *sigh* 01:13:14 it's worth it, though, surely? :-) 01:13:46 Yes. I can champion accessability for one brief moment. 01:14:03 and maybe even spell it correctly. 01:14:35 Having more than one vowel in a language is cruel. 01:14:58 wut du yu mun? 01:15:31 uhhhhhhhhh thu swuut smull uf succuss 01:15:58 do you mean one character, or one sound? 01:16:01 not that succuss actually smulls, if one's to be literal about such matters. 01:16:32 we could have STAR for English. That'd be neat 01:16:55 in fact, perhaps STAR is English, in some respects 01:16:58 one character... otherwise spellig would get even more difficult 01:17:00 you mean we don't? (cf. UN*X) 01:17:28 sbp.define(STAR) # :o) 01:17:29 that's not star... well, it could be 01:17:40 it's a programming language that Larry Wall came up with 01:17:46 Aha 01:17:54 silly, that's perl 01:18:01 hehe 01:18:03 and it basically IS english ;-) 01:18:08 before his #1 hit? 01:18:13 only written phonetically 01:18:19 :-D 01:18:32 heh :) 01:18:51 heh, heh. 01:18:56 good language 01:19:18 after his number one hit, AFAIK 01:19:36 Perl was nearly perfect... but AWK still floored it on some things 01:19:47 so Larry came up with STAR 01:20:09 I see 01:20:30 sounds like the stuff of legend... "Perl was nearly perfect... but AWK still floored it on some things" 01:20:43 you're just a druid wannabe aren't you sbp? 01:20:44 :o) it is 01:20:55 well, it is the stuff of legend! it's computing heritage 01:21:10 these will all be myths in 1000 years time 01:21:33 people will be like, "History of computing. Larry Wall invented the computer in 2020, and named it Perl." 01:21:43 sbp, can you hit my :80/~morbus/ 01:21:51 internet.time.gregorianYears(1000) 01:21:54 >>> 5 01:22:01 and use "guest" and then your email? 01:22:12 * tomc thought that already 01:22:40 it's moving, sloooowly... 01:23:05 yeah, my modem retrained. 01:24:00 Mmmkay, now what? 01:24:19 * tomc finds it difficult to make google tell him about sbp's fict^H^H^H^Hlegendary language STAR 01:24:27 if you auth'd fine, that was all. 01:24:27 i'll probably bug you in a sec. 01:24:36 just testing stuff for the article. 01:25:21 cool 01:25:25 * AaronSw is back 01:25:28 wb 01:25:41 sbp, hit it again 01:25:42 * tomc waves 01:25:49 * rm waves 01:26:14 * sbp does so 01:26:24 O.K., it loaded 01:26:30 hrm. 01:26:52 and you're entering your email? 01:26:52 hmm. it's supposed to be logging. 01:27:03 I just pressed refresh 01:28:08 >>> type(listThing) is list 01:28:10 1 01:28:24 in python 2.2 only, i think 01:28:38 hmm 01:28:54 ah, you're right 01:30:22 I think I'll sleep. 'Night all... 01:30:24 type(list) is a metatype 01:30:29 'nite 01:30:42 and the type(type(list))... well, you don't wanna go there 01:30:42 * tomc bears that in mind.. 01:31:05 *hmm* 01:31:21 hmm, type(type(list)) is also a metatype 01:31:35 heh 01:31:35 01:31:43 yes 01:31:51 notice we all went therte 01:31:53 there 01:31:55 ;-) 01:32:03 and of course the type of that is 'type' too 01:32:12 heh, pillow calls 01:32:20 tomc has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:33:10 what's a slot wrapper? 01:33:34 it wraps a slot, i bet 01:33:41 aha! 01:34:12 "we care a slot!" 01:34:45 /work rm to the bone 01:35:01 odd:- 01:35:02 >>> list.__new__(list) 01:35:02 [] 01:35:22 what were you expecting? 01:35:47 I was expecting it to return a frog. Hmm... perhaps it's not so odd 01:36:14 list() 01:36:20 types are like classes now 01:36:36 types are types now 01:36:56 altho interesting, they're still types and functions too 01:37:32 which is a bit confusing... 01:37:47 Yes... 01:37:55 int; int(); int('5') 01:39:48 so, what do you think of the N3 design alternatives? 01:39:59 Mmm, "Serra Pelada" is good. 01:40:10 alternatives: haven't looked at them really... 01:40:31 * AaronSw looks 01:41:21 sbp: uri? 01:42:08 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/N3Alternatives.html / 01:42:08 ? 01:42:16 yep 01:43:29 couple of example of the new syntax... 01:43:31 [[[ 01:43:33 x.boss.home.email :p :q . 01:43:35 [ is :email of [ is :home of [ is :boss of :x ] ] ] :p :q . 01:43:37 :x :boss [ :home [ :email [ :p :q ] ] ] . 01:43:39 01:43:41 x.uncle^boss.home.email 01:43:43 [ is :email of [ is :home of [ :boss [ is :uncle of :x ] ] ] ] . 01:43:45 :x :uncle [ is :boss of [ :home [ :email [] ] ] ] . 01:43:47 ]]] 01:43:49 it's shorter :-) 01:44:05 having never studied logic, the blending of english and mathematical notations rampant in discussions of the semantic web sometimes gives me a headache 01:44:07 in fact, I guess the top would be x.boss.home.email.p q . 01:44:20 it's fun! :-) 01:44:26 p(x,y) ~= p (is x of y) 01:44:39 TRAMP! 01:45:59 Morbus has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:46:04 erm... 01:46:31 sorry TRAMP referred to x.boss.home.email :p :q . 01:46:49 Ex p(x, y) ~= [ is :p of :x ] 01:46:58 yeah, it is TRAMPish 01:47:03 TRAMPy? 01:47:17 Hm, ^ is a little confusing. I think just spelling it out is better. 01:47:21 like i said - i get sonfused 01:47:28 argh 01:47:31 confused 01:47:43 yeah, it was difficult to translate the ^ over... if you have mixed paths, it gets a bit confusing 01:47:43 homer: why i laughing? 01:47:49 heh, heh 01:49:03 the %/$ thing is quite confusing 01:49:09 % isn't even introduced, is it? 01:49:30 ah, no, it is 01:49:36 yes, he says 'of' looks like % when he writes it on the balckboard 01:49:44 wmf (wesf@cs242733-11.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 01:49:48 swhack! 01:49:49 wmf! 01:49:49 yeah, just got it :-) 01:49:52 * rm waves 01:49:52 hi wmf 01:50:05 n3 is becoming perl 01:50:12 noooo 01:50:27 really? it was becoming Python not so long ago 01:50:37 rm's rule: with sufficient passing of time, all languages become perl 01:50:41 what with N3Script an' all... :-) 01:50:45 heh, heh 01:51:00 oh no! and with interpolation being added to Python (probably) 01:51:07 we must resist 01:51:14 interpolation? 01:51:22 $$foo 01:51:23 !! 01:51:56 when i was starting out, this was how i started many cgis 01:51:58 : 01:52:03 while $@ { 01:52:03 >>> x = 'abc' 01:52:03 >>> $'blargh $x blargh' 01:52:04 'blargh abc blargh' 01:52:17 $$_ = $_ 01:52:20 } 01:52:33 hehhe 01:52:58 scary 01:53:30 morbus would know how scary that is 01:53:50 * sbp is grepping Perl tutorials as we speak 01:54:00 heehe 01:54:08 trying to figure that out? 01:54:15 it's easy 01:54:25 $@ is the default incoming params 01:54:33