IRC log of swhack on 2002-03-17

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:10:51 [tomc]

* tomc yawns

00:11:05 [sbp]

hi

00:11:24 [tomc]

written anything good?

00:11:33 [tomc]

hehe

00:11:45 [sbp]

Hmph. Not today, I haven't

00:12:06 [sbp]

well, that I know of. I tend to write stuff, forget about it, figure it out again later on, and say, "ooh, that was good!"

00:12:45 [tomc]

I have real difficulty writing songs.

00:12:57 [sbp]

lyrics or music, or both?

00:12:58 [tomc]

Not sure why, probably lack of practice.

00:13:42 [tomc]

*hmm* I can sometimes get a good chord sequence, but I can't figure out where to go from there.

00:14:09 [sbp]

rpt. it a few times, change it, and then reprise it! :-)

00:14:19 [tomc]

Alternatively, I can write lyrics as a poem, but I can't assign a tune to it.

00:14:35 [tomc]

heh yes, change it on the 4th iteration usually sounds best :D

00:15:00 [tomc]

you would have a very linear song.

00:15:39 [sbp]

heh, yeah. my songs are usually quite intricate, but not always. Some of the best songs are the simplest

00:16:29 [tomc]

C/G/D will never die.

00:17:07 [sbp]

indeed

00:17:43 [tomc]

still...

00:18:42 [tomc]

the other thing I cannot do is put lyrics and tune together.

00:19:01 [sbp]

do you always write lyrics first, and then try to match them?

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00:20:34 [sbp]

wb

00:20:38 [sbp]

<sbp> do you always write lyrics first, and then try to match them?

00:20:53 [thc]

ty :)

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00:21:15 [thc]

well I'm not sure, I think I've tried lyr first and tune first

00:21:34 [thc]

I would prefer write lyrics to a tune, I think

00:22:01 [thc]

I have nothing of importance to say usually

00:22:27 [sbp]

neither do most songwriters...

00:23:04 [thc]

true.

00:24:01 [sbp]

argh, I borked this recording... I must have had the mic. a little too close to the speaker: all the waves are squared out

00:24:24 [sbp]

it's not unlistenable, just a little bit crackly

00:24:43 [sbp]

and I could repair it, but it'd take years. blargh

00:24:53 [thc]

heh :)

00:29:44 [thc]

.

00:30:08 [thc]

oops, leaning on keyboard, sorry

00:30:25 [sbp]

carefu; you'll get xena to perform one of her tricks!

00:30:38 [sbp]

s/u/ul/

00:30:56 [sbp]

.time

00:30:56 [xena]

2002/03/17 00:32:23.9796 Universal

00:31:33 [thc]

.isotime

00:31:33 [xena]

2002-03-17T00:33:01.373962Z

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00:49:06 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves

00:49:23 [sbp]

Hey Aaron

00:49:29 [thc]

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00:49:33 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw reads backlogs... geez, there's lots of them.

00:49:57 [sbp]

yeah... we haven't been all that talkative on here today

00:55:46 [sbp]

@ http://infomesh.net/geirlyfr/

00:55:52 [chumpster]

A: Geirlyfr - sbp's Big Language and Linguistics Notebook Deeley from sbp

00:56:03 [sbp]

A:|A Language and Linguistics Notebook

00:56:04 [chumpster]

titled item A

00:57:52 [sbp]

A::Homer: My favourite section is "How To Increse Your Word Power". That thing is really, really, really... good

00:57:53 [chumpster]

commented item A

00:58:34 [AaronSw]

lol @ "Our Vision is to transform SBP into a modern and dynamic central bank [...]"

00:58:40 [sbp]

heh, heh, heh

00:59:58 [sbp]

man, great stuff from .GNU:-

01:00:00 [sbp]

[[[

01:00:08 [sbp]

<absurd> wow. i went to babelfish and im trying to figure out what Virosss said

01:00:09 [sbp]

[...]

01:00:10 [sbp]

<absurd> and i tried Russian-->english and here is what it said:

01:00:10 [sbp]

<absurd> the mineral fertilizer of ima whether of bulgari

01:00:15 [sbp]

[...]

01:00:16 [sbp]

<absurd> what do bulgarians speak?

01:00:16 [sbp]

<blazko> bulgarish? dunno

01:00:17 [sbp]

]]]

01:01:22 [sbp]

ah, the dotgnu crowd

01:02:25 [AaronSw]

I think Internet-in-a-box was an O'Reilly product... or maybe it was ACE's thing... it was one of those get started on the Interet products anyway.

01:06:21 [AaronSw]

We had to write a lot of poetry in school, and when I got bored I'd sing it and bang the desks and stuff. Went over surprisingly well.

01:06:42 [sbp]

heh, heh. Ever the rowdy Aaron

01:07:14 [AaronSw]

I recall some poem about death or something sad that I turned into a Blues tune.

01:07:25 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw goes bang, bang

01:08:00 [AaronSw]

On Parka: "Click here for more information on this (patent pending) integration of knowledge- and data-base technology!"

01:08:02 [AaronSw]

eww, patents

01:08:17 [tomc]

hehe

01:08:21 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw listens to WMGSW

01:08:48 [sbp]

SW? GW

01:08:49 [tomc]

strongly weeps?

01:09:14 [AaronSw]

While My Guitar Swhack Weblogs

01:09:25 [AaronSw]

Homer: Weblogs is a verb!

01:10:57 [tomc]

My word "mooee" google-rates but 199, and most of those seem to be Welsh.

01:11:53 [sbp]

that's some pretty funky Welsh, if so

01:12:32 [tomc]

welsh is the most bizarre thing human beings ever created

01:13:27 [tomc]

IMO :-)

01:13:31 [sbp]

oh, heh: it's how you pronounce mwy according to one page

01:14:11 [AaronSw]

lol: 'I could have chosen some other word, but "Miscellaneous" and I have something going on, or so it would seem.'

01:14:25 [tomc]

how do you pronounce ddfyll?

01:14:50 [tomc]

*hmm* maybe it's a flower.

01:15:21 [sbp]

I think that "ddfyll" is perfectly unpronouncable

01:15:41 [sbp]

unless the f is silent, or something

01:15:49 [tomc]

Aha that is where the Welsh come in :D

01:15:58 [sbp]

(or just butted onto the dd, and not pronounced separately)

01:16:11 [tomc]

d'dif-fille

01:16:52 [tomc]

you ahve to invent a vowel or two

01:17:11 [AaronSw]

From now on when I meet people whose name I can't remember, I'll just exclaim "Lethonomia!" like it's their name.

01:17:39 [sbp]

er... except you forgot the first rule of Welsh: it's *never* pronounced as you would expect it. dd is more like th, and f is more like v

01:18:14 [tomc]

no daffodil then :-(

01:18:19 [sbp]

Aaron: heh, good idea

01:18:30 [sbp]

I wonder if that applies to household objects too...

01:18:41 [tomc]

what's lethonomia then?

01:19:18 [sbp]

the tendency to forget... um... names!

01:19:19 [tomc]

Strangers keep coming up to me and saying "hi Tom, how's things?". It's frightening.

01:19:34 [tomc]

Aha :) I got the nom bit, yes

01:20:01 [sbp]

heh, yeah... that happened to me always too. You'd be having a conversation with them and thinking, "who the feck is this?!"

01:20:40 [tomc]

Yes, it happened to me on Thursday... eventually I realised and shouted "Aha!"... I got a few strange looks

01:20:53 [sbp]

heh!

01:21:44 [tomc]

:o) I hadn't seen him in 2.5 years, so I have an excuse. His hair's shorter.

01:22:23 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw goes back to reading AIMA

01:23:53 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is away: dinner

01:23:58 [sbp]

c'ya

01:24:16 [tomc]

enjoy

01:29:51 [tomc]

I found "Teach Yourself Semantics" for 80p at a library booksale yesterday. hehe

01:30:42 [sbp]

.google "Teach Yourself Semantics"

01:30:44 [xena]

no results found.

01:30:48 [sbp]

.google "Teach Yourself Semantics" libraryware

01:30:49 [xena]

no results found.

01:30:53 [sbp]

Pff

01:30:57 [tomc]

is p a good international unit? Maybe I should say (GBP/100)

01:31:27 [sbp]

international... well, some Americans call cents "pennies", which I've never really understood

01:32:06 [tomc]

so they can say "a penny saved is a penny earned"

01:32:19 [tomc]

etc etc. We have some good phrases.

01:32:43 [tomc]

they probably couldn't be bothered `coining' new ones.

01:33:06 [sbp]

aaaargh! wordplay

01:33:09 [sbp]

heh, I love it...

01:33:50 [tomc]

I'm fatally attracted to cheese

01:34:05 [tomc]

brb, getting food

01:34:38 [sbp]

O.K.

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01:37:54 [tomc]

I used to hate english mustard, but now I eat it in increasingly large quantities.

01:38:15 [tomc]

Soon I will find myself spoonfeeding from the jar

01:38:38 [sbp]

I like stuff like that, too

01:39:09 [tomc]

wholegrain mustard is still better, but rarely in the cupboard

01:39:41 [sbp]

wholegrain? I dunno if I've even tried that

01:39:56 [tomc]

the one with seeds in :)

01:40:13 [sbp]

so wholeseed, then?

01:40:28 [sbp]

* sbp waves to rm

01:40:53 [tomc]

I supose :)

01:40:57 [AaronSw]

aaargh, wordplay!

01:41:10 [tomc]

* tomc waves to rm, to be sociable

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01:42:09 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw picks up rm and defenestrates, to be polite

01:42:52 [AaronSw]

defenestrate is quite the charming word

01:43:15 [tomc]

it is :)

01:43:47 [tomc]

* tomc puts down his dictionary with an amused expression

01:43:49 [sbp]

oh man, I've started him off now

01:44:47 [tomc]

I hate being in the company of articulate people. they say wurds wat i dont no

01:45:15 [sbp]

wat?

01:45:23 [AaronSw]

This is a little strange:

01:45:24 [AaronSw]

--

01:45:26 [AaronSw]

class ReflexVacuumAgent(Agent):

01:45:26 [AaronSw]

"A reflex agent for the two-state vacuum environment. [Fig. 2.8]"

01:45:27 [AaronSw]

def __init__(self):

01:45:27 [AaronSw]

def program((location, status)):

01:45:27 [AaronSw]

if status == 'Dirty': return 'Suck'

01:45:28 [AaronSw]

elif location == loc_A: return 'Right'

01:45:30 [AaronSw]

elif location == loc_B: return 'Left'

01:45:32 [AaronSw]

self.program = program

01:45:34 [AaronSw]

--

01:45:36 [AaronSw]

- http://norvig.com/python/agents.py

01:45:50 [tomc]

hehe

01:46:13 [sbp]

seems quite straightforward to me

01:46:28 [sbp]

it's a reflexive vacuum agent in Python. Why not?

01:46:30 [AaronSw]

why not just dispense with the __init__ altogether?

01:46:50 [AaronSw]

furthermore, it is not at all what is described in figure 2.8 in my copy of the book.

01:48:13 [tomc]

Wumpus??

01:48:32 [sbp]

aaaaaargh! don't say that word

01:48:34 [AaronSw]

Fudd: Hunt the Wumpus, hunt the Wumpus, hunt the Wuuuuuuuuuuuuuumpus

01:48:59 [sbp]

it's the most annoying fecky pisswanking bollocky smgged up stupid bitchy arse mongering words in existance

01:49:12 [AaronSw]

[sheepishly] wumpus?

01:49:14 [tomc]

smgged, huh?

01:49:18 [sbp]

aaaaaaaaaargh!

01:49:49 [tomc]

I think Sean wouldn't like this so-called Wumpus World

01:50:14 [tomc]

* tomc fantasises that there are little people called Wumples

01:50:18 [sbp]

* sbp walks around in metaphorical circles

01:50:44 [tomc]

* tomc thinks around in vicious circles

01:51:02 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw puts some pants on

01:51:11 [AaronSw]

Heh, in America, that has a peculiarly British meaning.

01:51:42 [tomc]

American pants are trousers, our pants are usually underwear.

01:51:49 [tomc]

I believe

01:51:58 [AaronSw]

Indeed, which is what makes it peculiar

01:52:11 [AaronSw]

because when someone says they're putting pants on, everyone goes "eww, you were naked before?"

01:52:13 [sbp]

Pants are things which are belong to Edd

01:52:33 [sbp]

no... I say, "ew... you were only wearing pants before?"

01:52:35 [tomc]

I chat on IRC naked. Is that odd?

01:52:51 [AaronSw]

Not really...

01:52:55 [tomc]

*hmm* only post-shower though

01:52:56 [sbp]

* sbp reckons so

01:53:03 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks for that Doonesbury comic

01:53:21 [tomc]

Doonesbury... I think I have a book of those

01:53:38 [AaronSw]

aha, beland

01:53:46 [tomc]

But none of it's funny... Strange.

01:54:04 [tomc]

:o) it's quite old though

01:54:27 [AaronSw]

Aha. http://web.mit.edu/beland/www/pics/mitnude.jpg :textVersion http://web.mit.edu/beland/www/doonesbury.txt

01:54:40 [tomc]

mitnude?

01:55:14 [AaronSw]

so true

01:55:38 [AaronSw]

I wonder how beland is doing these days...

01:55:54 [tomc]

hehe

01:59:04 [AaronSw]

We used to pronounce Sean as "seen"

01:59:21 [sbp]

Yeah. It's *so* funny when people do that

01:59:43 [AaronSw]

There was (is?) a Sean in my class at school

02:02:27 [tomc]

Time is a weird thing. I'm sure I had 123 more minuites of it at midnight.

02:02:27 [sbp]

well, I'd better be toodling

02:02:38 [sbp]

Gotta run

02:02:48 [tomc]

I think I should sleep

02:03:11 [tomc]

running is best saved for buses.

02:03:17 [tomc]

'night

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02:20:35 [AaronSw]

oh. Norvig's Python is for the second edition

02:35:27 [AaronSw]

odd - the Apple Pro Keyboard appears to have a feature that is perfectly useless (especially with Macs)

02:36:02 [AaronSw]

If you hold the "num lock" key down, instead of just pressing it, it will blink and turn off when you let go of it.

02:36:33 [AaronSw]

it = the num lock light

02:36:39 [AaronSw]

It's useless because there are no other characters printed on the num lock keys, nor does the num lock key do anything on a Mac

03:23:57 [AaronSw]

googlewhack: agoraphobic tarsier

03:24:10 [AaronSw]

subaltern tarsier

03:24:54 [AaronSw]

also: agoraphobic meerkat

03:27:54 [AaronSw]

ah, i didn't realize that Timon from the Lion King was a meerkat.

03:42:40 [AaronSw]

lol: http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/inspiration.html

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04:11:12 [AaronSw]

Heh, Morbus seems to have missed the point. 'I fancy myself relatively decent at logo design and name creation - I've become relatively "known" for it, I suppose, with comments like: [me quoting jill]'

04:15:26 [AaronSw]

more google nonsense: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-859805.html

04:20:13 [AaronSw]

</cableModem>

04:20:13 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw starts a "Others" section on his weblog with stuff culled from here, most ly

04:20:13 [AaronSw]

<cableModem>

04:23:28 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw works on a DTRT, tries to think of services he uses often

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04:49:58 [hazmat]

hallo

04:50:49 [hazmat]

* hazmat has been reading through jxta.org docs.

04:50:53 [hazmat]

interesting stuff.

04:57:57 [AaronSw]

hm?

05:25:29 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/dtrt

05:25:36 [chumpster]

B: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/dtrt from AaronSw

05:25:40 [AaronSw]

B:|ADTRT: Aaron's Do The Right Thing

05:25:42 [chumpster]

titled item B

05:31:31 [AaronSw]

B::A nice bit of Python, if I do say so myself. It was very cool to refactor the logic like I did.

05:31:33 [chumpster]

commented item B

06:05:55 [AaronSw]

"It is crucial to put the work in typescript, read it word for word and patch it with a pencil: computer writing tends to be flabby and tone-deaf otherwise."

06:11:40 [AaronSw]

</cableModem>

06:11:40 [AaronSw]

<cableModem>

06:38:48 [AaronSw]

odd. the quotelink CSS coloring doesn't show up on the first two quotes in http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000183

06:38:59 [AaronSw]

i thought it was my fault, but it works in Chimera (Mozilla)

06:40:11 [AaronSw]

ooh, I quit out and came back in and now three work...

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* AaronSw considers starting a Google Weblog

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17:57:32 [AaronSw]

@ http://google.blogspace.com/

17:57:39 [chumpster]

C: http://google.blogspace.com/ from AaronSw

17:57:45 [AaronSw]

C:|Google Weblog

17:57:46 [chumpster]

titled item C

18:16:19 [deltab]

AaronSw: broken link to google.logicerror.com

18:16:27 [AaronSw]

oops, thanks

18:22:31 [AaronSw]

suggested additions are appreciated.

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19:07:15 [sbp]

* sbp waves

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20:33:29 [rm_]

sup all

20:33:35 [hazmat]

AaronSw: ?

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20:39:17 [sbp]

* sbp waves to rm and hazmat

20:42:39 [hazmat]

hi sbp

20:44:30 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw waves

20:46:15 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Nowadays, it's politically correct to be politically incorrect

20:49:59 [sbp]

Hmm... and vice versa :-)

20:52:25 [sbp]

the interconnectedness of all things strikes again!

20:52:59 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if any university offers a degree course in Holistics

20:54:23 [sbp]

Gotta run

20:55:49 [AaronSw]

degree: That'd be cool.

21:14:28 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is away: Annie Hall

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23:02:34 [AaronSw]

Book update: AIMA, Non-designer's Type Book (library), RW Design Workshop (library)

23:22:28 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: Happy St. Patrick's Day! | Nowadays, it's politically correct to be politically incorrect

23:57:02 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw learns how to type ³smart quotes²

23:57:38 [deltab]

bleh

23:58:54 [AaronSw]

I wonder if this typographic study is doing me harm or good...