00:05:10 man, i gotta get cracking. 00:05:13 i have tons of shit to write. 00:07:00 * sbp too 00:07:07 Gotta run 00:07:21 * AaronSw is away: food 00:10:08 is Sol "Saul" or "Sole"? 00:34:45 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:42:23 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 01:01:31 Morbus (~Morbus@s114.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 01:02:58 * AaronSw is away: concert 01:20:07 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 02:42:20 tansaku_sftwre_fcked has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:13:05 rm (~chatzilla@68.2.182.237) has joined #swhack 03:20:34 rm has quit ("cya") 03:38:31 Morbus (~Morbus@s111.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 03:41:45 rm (sid@ip68-2-179-170.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 04:04:14 rm has quit () 04:04:37 * AaronSw is back 04:05:39 hey AaronSw. 04:05:47 i've sent about 40 emails since you left. 04:05:50 i am so sick of email. 04:05:54 heh 04:06:01 good thing i didn't get any of them :) 04:06:01 i get too damn much, and too damn much of it is repliable. 04:06:03 hehehe. 04:06:09 how many emails have you sent out this year so far/ 04:06:24 my current tally is 954. 04:06:29 I'm afraid to find out... 04:06:32 heh 04:07:16 redmonk (sid@ip68-2-179-170.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 04:08:34 * AaronSw is still retrieiving the 11,000 headers 04:09:13 what?! 04:09:18 heards for what? 04:09:40 how many emails you've sent out this year 04:12:59 what the... 04:13:05 i'm very confused 04:13:20 ne'er mind then 04:14:49 alright. i'm outta here. 04:14:53 gonna try and get some reading done 04:15:04 pff. make me count all that mail 04:15:06 and then desert me, eh 04:15:18 heh, well, it's not my fault its taking you forever. 04:15:43 it's like you're counting manually or something 04:15:59 Heh. 1, 2, 3... 04:16:21 three! three emails sent out this hour! mu ha ha ha 04:16:31 ^^ sesame street count voice. 04:16:37 nobody expects the aaron inquisition! 04:16:41 four! four emails! 04:16:42 heheh! 04:16:57 aha -- here we go: 04:17:11 363 emails! 04:17:21 that's horrific. 04:17:25 rael's had over 4000 since october 04:17:31 heh, heh 04:17:40 IRC has cut down my emails totally 04:17:48 I had 10,000 over the past 3 years 04:18:02 and the slope must go way down 04:18:04 i dunno what my total count is. 04:18:20 os x and the 1969 bug flubbed my "easy stat" thing in eudora. 04:18:27 so, i'd have to add three large numbers. too hard for my brain. 04:18:39 awww 04:18:46 that's wut bc is for 04:19:03 os x has bc? cool 04:20:13 alright. anyways, i'm out. 04:20:13 see you all tomorrow 04:20:18 c'ya 04:20:18 l8r 04:20:27 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:26:17 04:26:17 04:28:56 "On the other hand, who could forget that, to within half a percent, pi seconds is a nanocentury." - Tom Duff, Bell Labs 04:37:15 redmonk is now known as rm_is_a_codger 04:38:30 Heh: "Blogger has made weblogging so easy that even conservatives can do it." 04:38:38 - http://www.nickdenton.org/archives/2002_03_01_archive.htm#75003752 04:38:56 heh. 04:40:15 Sheesh, nobody ask Nick Denton anything about bloggers, politics or steel. 04:40:24 steel? 04:40:46 yeah, the metal. 04:41:22 no shit 04:41:24 ;-) 04:42:00 lol 04:42:03 contrast this: 04:42:10 "Okay, let me rephrase that: where are the well-written liberal weblogs?" 04:42:23 with Doc's qustion at SXSW 04:42:49 "1:52 PM: Doc asks the audience how many have political opinions that are left of center. Most of the audience raises their hands. " 04:44:05 yeah, but no one writes about it. 04:44:14 we're more subtle than that... 04:44:19 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 04:44:55 we just quote ashcroft, he says everything we ever could. ;) 04:45:35 Get Wes, we need AshcroftFunk: "phantoms. phantoms of lost liberty. phantoms. phantoms." 04:46:42 tell dori smith about subtle, or jim roepcke 04:47:00 as i told jim the other day: 04:47:20 "Conservatives have no monopoly on vitriol. " 04:47:26 http://www.redmonk.net/stories/noTitle 04:48:14 @ http://www.itconsult.co.uk/stamper/stampinf.htm 04:48:38 A: http://www.itconsult.co.uk/stamper/stampinf.htm from sbp 04:48:43 A:|PGP Digital Timestamping Service 04:48:44 titled item A 04:48:55 sbp, you gonna be around tomorrow for some eep integration? 04:49:09 A::Digital notary via. HTTP and SMTP. It's very useful 04:49:10 commented item A 04:49:21 yep, should be 04:49:37 Hm, gpg doesn't like stamper's key 04:49:58 i'll be stamping out bugs before deploying, but if you'll get one AIM aaron, I'll follow along on semplesh.com 04:52:00 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 04:52:22 lol 04:53:03 so I'll be happy to do stuff in Python; even Eep bridging 04:53:05 [OLM] 04:53:15 so aaron - am i programmer-non-grata now that i've come out as a conservative? 04:53:17 :-) 04:53:21 Heh, heh 04:53:38 rm_is_a_codger is now known as rm 04:55:19 you missed my good quip earlier, sbp 04:55:28 really? which one now? 04:55:32 we were talking about not deleting things on the plesh and i said: 04:55:42 the internet never forgets you're a dog 04:55:52 * sbp giggles 04:56:08 laughter! wow. When you're programming Java, you kinda temporarily forget about happiness 04:56:24 geez. bunch o whiners 04:56:27 ;-) 04:56:35 well... yes 04:56:45 biab 04:57:09 since it is no longer Pi day (over here)... 04:57:15 sbp has changed the topic to: the internet never forgets you're a dog 04:57:19 there's a reason WebObjects is initialized as WO (pronounced' woe') 04:57:53 I could have done /topic Happy Piish (pronounced "pish") day! 04:57:56 heh 04:58:04 Heh 04:58:57 wow, we both did (pronounced x) jokes 04:59:26 and they both had whitespace problems 05:01:30 er, own and run 05:02:14 [OLM] 05:04:14 heh! 05:04:18 In spam I just got:- 05:04:20 [[[ 05:04:20 Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your 05:04:20 home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time 05:04:20 THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! 05:04:21 ]]] 05:04:38 * sbp mails it off to the apostrophe catastrophe page 05:05:03 * AaronSw and BenSw giggle 05:06:55 It's one of those "send money, pass it on" things. I love those. Silly people giving out their addresses to thousands of irate spammed individuals... it just makes me smile 05:07:40 * sbp should RegExp them all out, and post them to www-archive 05:07:46 but if the spammed individuals each made half million dollars, they wouldn't be so irate 05:08:06 THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! 05:08:17 lol 05:13:54 Google displays 1,590 results for that phrase. Surprisingly, only 10 of those are from W3C mailing lists 05:14:43 there was even a story about it: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,s2085576,00.html 05:19:42 tansaku_sftwre_fcked (~sam@n144-001.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 05:20:34 .google "wake up your ideas and stop at the source" 05:20:34 no results found. 05:20:38 Pff 05:21:21 .google "The fact is before you get up yourself" 05:21:22 no results found. 05:21:36 wow, doesn't Google trawl anymore? 05:22:17 Gotta run 05:41:48 tansaku_sftwre_fcked has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:41:58 tansaku_sftwre_fcked (~sam@h131-251.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 05:50:26 hey 05:57:09 condorcet, condorcet, rah rah rah 06:14:33 rm has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:23:00 McCusker makes me cry. 06:23:06 * AaronSw is away: sleep 06:44:54 GabeW (~gwachob@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 08:19:32 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 10:58:10 tansaku_sftwre_fcked has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:32:17 sbp has quit ("Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.3") 11:32:44 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 13:15:49 tansaku_sftwre_fcked (~sam@h134-075.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 13:54:44 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 14:18:58 ruff, ruff. 14:19:56 * AaronSw is away: food 14:38:04 redmonk (sid@ip68-2-179-170.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 14:38:22 redmonk is now known as rm 14:44:49 hi 14:45:31 hello 14:45:34 good morning 14:51:18 how's it? 14:51:50 alright 14:52:01 telecon (aka conference call) starting on the hour 14:52:09 oh cool 14:52:12 for what? 14:52:15 cc? 14:52:30 rdf 14:52:34 RDF Core 14:52:40 ah 14:52:47 rm: is that hourly code i sent you for amphetadesk working fine? 14:52:53 running with the big dogs 14:52:54 yea 14:53:00 mb:yeah 14:53:27 in general amp is not as useful to me without that feature we talked about the other day 14:53:31 to be frank 14:53:37 which one was that again? 14:53:48 (only see new items, and all new items together) 14:53:54 (per hour) 14:53:59 but that's just my taste 14:54:04 oh right. 14:54:04 YMMV of course 14:54:08 yeah, that's gonna be a while away. 14:54:13 i've got to do a new channel storage backend. 14:54:20 i like amp though in general 14:54:21 that's the next major thing i'm doing after the modularization. 14:54:27 which should be finished in about a year at this rate ;0 14:54:54 by then the plesh will be ready for you and you can make it distributed ;-) 14:55:02 :) 14:56:25 AaronSw, i'm writing this article today called "How I Leanred To Stop Worrying and Love the Decepticons". 14:56:35 lol 14:56:35 once finished, i'm gonna send it off to Derrick. see if he'll publish it :) 14:56:43 oh man... 14:56:48 wha? 14:56:48 "Decepticons, attack!" 14:56:56 i was thinking about it over brushing my teeth today 14:57:03 i was like, you know, i should do a parody of doctorow's thing. 14:57:07 what rhymes with panopticon? 14:57:18 i came up with decepticon, started laughing, and then moved on. 14:57:20 but it stuck in my head. 14:57:32 and you know, there are huge parallels between transformers and the tech industry right now. 14:57:45 this whole article, which started out as a joke, actually makes an insane amount of sense. 14:58:10 "More than meets the eye" 15:00:18 so, i'll probably have it finished tonight, and then i'll send it in. 15:00:22 you want to read it before I do? 15:00:45 you know, to ground me in reality before i make a fool outta myself ;) 15:01:50 when you put it like that... nah, post it asap 15:01:57 :-P 15:01:58 lol 15:02:00 thanks deltab ;) 15:02:37 yeah, I'll read it 15:02:56 if I'm not asleep 15:03:05 k. i'll probably have it done around 7pm EST.... so, 9 hours from now. 15:06:26 Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:06:29 MorbusIff (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 15:07:52 you sleeping around that time 15:08:35 MorbusIff is now known as Morbus 15:37:34 tansaku_sftwre_fcked has quit (Connection timed out) 15:38:25 rm has quit ("cya") 16:12:56 redmonk (sid@ip68-2-179-170.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 16:13:16 redmonk is now known as rm 16:16:58 did you see the apple remote desktop thing? 16:17:03 don't think so. link? 16:17:16 hang on 16:17:20 looking 16:18:12 http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/ 16:18:32 oh, neat 16:19:26 commpetition for timbuktu i guess 16:19:52 wonder if it's a re-packaged Network Assistant? 16:20:03 .google Apple Network Assistant 16:20:04 Apple Network Assistant: http://www.info.apple.com/support/downloads.html 16:20:41 hm 16:22:12 so what is rdfcore up to these days? 16:23:05 fixing bugs. 16:23:13 publishing specs without bugs. 16:23:21 aren't they always fixing bugs? 16:23:25 hehe 16:23:28 one would think 16:23:31 sup sbp 16:23:52 sbp! 16:23:53 Hi there. Just waking up, really, even though I've been up for a while 16:23:59 i hear you 16:24:02 god i need coffee 16:24:07 heh, me too 16:24:20 have to wait til i get to work - another hour 16:24:21 :-( 16:24:36 aaron - been thinking... 16:24:47 still willing to give me an account on your server? 16:24:51 whatfor? 16:24:55 (ssh tunnel) 16:25:15 can say no - no big thing 16:25:17 ah. promise not to do anything bad to the machine? 16:25:23 of course 16:25:31 my word 16:25:48 k. i will get wes to beat you up if need be. ;-) 16:26:02 * rm trmbles 16:26:08 * rm trembles 16:26:14 heh. what do you want your login to be? 16:26:17 sid 16:26:29 (old nickname) 16:26:36 rm is now known as sid 16:27:00 whois sid 16:27:16 sid is now known as rm 16:27:51 ok... i'll pgp-email you your password 16:28:00 ok. 16:28:09 may ask later how to decode it ;-) 16:29:27 type gpg at the command line, paste, and hit Ctrl-D 16:31:24 haha 16:31:36 Mail decrypts it for me (GPGPlugin) 16:31:47 even asks for passphrase 16:31:52 oh cool 16:32:22 what's the server? 16:32:31 vorpal.logicerror.com 16:33:13 thx 16:33:15 i'm in 16:33:27 what's it running? 16:33:51 Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 ("woody") 16:33:58 cool 16:34:16 hm. been a while since i've used bash ;-) 16:35:36 ugh. or vi 16:35:49 vi? 16:36:00 editor... 16:36:08 why are you using it? 16:36:16 editing .bashrc 16:36:22 ah 16:36:29 there's emacs, y'know :) 16:36:35 never used it 16:58:38 New version of OmniGraffle. http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/download/ 17:00:37 yeah, saw that on versiontracker. 17:00:39 does it look good? 17:01:07 yeah, very nice 17:03:46 aweseom! 17:03:55 the new omnioutliner has a date and duration column type 17:04:02 and number! 17:04:05 that's just what i wanted. 17:04:09 man, i think i'll have to pay for this ;) 17:04:36 man, this sounds good 17:15:56 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 17:16:17 rm has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:19:21 tansaku_sftwre_fcked (~sam@n146-053.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 17:22:53 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:23:05 aaron 17:23:13 redmonk 17:23:14 redmonk is now known as rm 17:23:18 i'm at work now 17:23:21 wb 17:23:24 tunneling 17:23:27 hah! so you are 17:23:39 yep 17:23:47 this is sweet 17:23:52 i love technology 17:24:05 rm is now known as rm_busy 17:24:45 oops, bugger it 17:24:48 i like technology too. 17:24:50 i like sbp. 17:24:53 * AaronSw restarts wallopper 17:24:54 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:24:54 and sheep. 17:24:54 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 17:24:56 word wrapped to 100! 17:24:59 sbp, sheep, and technology. 17:25:03 a cyborg sheep, with sbp as it's rider. 17:25:04 heh! 17:25:12 wow, that'd be your dream, eh? 17:25:17 a cyborg sbp, powered by sheep feces. 17:25:26 so many possibilities! 17:25:33 * Morbus starts to draw up blueprints. 17:30:26 * sbp goes down to 65 to punish himself 17:30:49 what are you wrapping? 17:31:04 email 17:31:21 I set it to 100 last night so that I could send quopri stuff 17:31:36 and just sent a few mails... ugh 17:31:49 quopri? 17:31:53 yeah 17:32:05 quoted printable 17:32:34 * sbp multitasks 17:33:18 * AaronSw tries to get telecon headset out of hair... 17:33:25 ow ow ow 17:33:44 heh, heh. 17:43:28 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 18:01:22 wendy (~wendy@sttldslgw16poolB157.sttl.uswest.net) has joined #swhack 18:34:17 wendy has quit ("...sunny days, sweeping the clouds away...") 18:43:04 walloper has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:43:44 walloper (~nobody@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 18:45:06 Wolfram has completed "A new kind of science" publication in May 19:00:04 cool 19:04:21 http://www.w3.org/2001/09/rdfprimer/fig2.jpg 19:04:23 ooops 19:04:33 Let me know about additions to: 19:04:34 http://logicerror.com/interestingConferences 19:04:39 http://logicerror.com/interestingChats 19:10:57 who are you talking to, aaron? ;-) 19:11:06 the swhackers 19:11:10 ah 19:11:17 ;-) 19:20:09 any applescripters? 19:21:45 * Morbus starts to raise his hand and then remembers... 19:23:43 i've done a little 19:25:47 hey, kickass. 19:40:02 well, not really ;-) 19:40:10 it's tooooooo wordy 19:40:15 i like python now 19:40:29 * rm_busy wishes python was OSA on os x 19:49:30 it is 19:51:03 email bfancher [symbol formerly known as the at sign] mac.com 19:51:54 cool 20:10:31 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 20:10:31 rm_busy has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:13:29 redmonk is now known as rm_shipping_hell 20:13:39 rm_shipping_hell is now known as rm_busy 20:20:41 lol [symbol formerly known as the at sign] [symbol formerly known as the at sign] 20:20:41 rm_busy has quit (Remote closed the connection) 20:25:42 redmonk (~steve@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 20:25:52 redmonk is now known as rm 20:52:37 @ http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/15/0018214 20:52:48 B: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/15/0018214 from sbp 20:53:39 B:|DotGNU project looks for ideas, developers during 36-hour IRC meet-a-thon 20:53:42 titled item B 20:54:24 B::On [irc://irc.openprojects.net/dotgnu|irc.openprojects.net #dotgnu] 20:54:28 22:32:25 22:36:15 Error: Document not well-formed: end tag before start tag 22:36:31 huh? 22:36:38 the start tag is way up there 22:36:43 ah 22:36:57 in that case... 22:37:05 Error: Document missing about a million end tags 22:37:25 but it won't let you do /nick sbp/ 22:37:26 Nothing gets past you, does it? 23:25:07 [EOW] 23:25:56 rm has quit ("l8rs") 23:27:00 [EOW] 23:46:03 c'ya, Aaron 23:57:50 Morbus (~Morbus@s87.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 23:58:54 working on the decepticon piece. 23:58:57 man, this will be interesting.