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00:22:46 <AaronSw> woo! found my old copy of medium is the massage audio
00:30:21 <AaronSw> man, i love that cd
00:31:05 <AaronSw> [ if people could hear what i'm thinking, they'd laugh so hard... ]
00:33:10 <AaronSw> * AaronSw plays
00:33:15 <AaronSw> "How do you like it so far?"
00:33:35 <AaronSw> *bzzzt!*
00:33:37 <AaronSw> "Terrific!"
00:33:50 <AaronSw> "I wouldn't be seen dead with a living work of art!"
00:34:02 <AaronSw> ...
00:34:10 <AaronSw> "Drop this jiggertypokerty and talk straight turkey!"
00:36:07 <AaronSw> "We can no longer build serially, block by block, bit by bit, because modern technology ensures...."
00:36:37 <AaronSw> Hic: "They're ain't no grammaticle errors in a non-literit society. heh heh"
00:37:12 <AaronSw> "Everything we do is music"
00:37:51 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: The Medium is the Massage: Any understanding of social and cultural change is impossible without knowledge of the way media work as environments
00:39:03 <AaronSw> "He's writing a booklet called: 'What to do until McLuhan comes'"
00:40:56 <AaronSw> Daffy: "We don't know who discovered water, but we're pretty sure it wasn't the fish."
00:42:25 <AaronSw> Old Man: "The discovery of the alphabet will create, a, uhm, hmm, oh yes, forgetfulness in the learner's soul because they will not use their memories."
00:44:21 <AaronSw> McLuhan: "Writing was an enbalming process that froze language[...] and made puns the lowest form of thought."
00:44:26 <AaronSw> "The expert is the man who stays put."
00:45:06 <AaronSw> "Now came the distinction between being and meaning."
00:46:07 <AaronSw> "The technology of the alphabet and of movable type: printing, printing, printing, printing, printing, printing, printing, printing, printing, printing, printing, predisposed us
00:46:13 <AaronSw> to think and act in certain ways."
00:46:37 <AaronSw> printing encouraged specializing, linearization... it changed everything
00:48:40 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: we have no art. we do everything as well as we can.
00:49:13 <AaronSw> "The highest purpose is to have no purpose at all."
00:49:42 <AaronSw> "Literacy conferred the power of detachment, of non-involvement."
00:50:27 <AaronSw> Boy helps nun across the street, nun thanks him. Boy says "Any friend of batman is a friend of mine!"
00:50:34 <AaronSw>  - visual punning
00:52:50 <AaronSw> "the alphabet is an agressive and militant transformer of cultures"
00:54:02 <AaronSw> "the line [...] became the organizing principle of life"
00:54:27 <AaronSw> "I don't follow you" / "how does that grab ya?"
00:54:47 <AaronSw> "I don't follow you" means "i don't think what you're saying is rational?"
00:54:51 <AaronSw> "How does that grab ya?"
00:54:59 <AaronSw> Girl: "I still don't follow you"
00:55:49 <AaronSw> Lady: "We are proud of our museums, where we display a way of living that _we_ have made impossible."
00:56:42 <AaronSw> teamwork succeeds above private effort
00:56:47 <AaronSw> thousands try to control the private mind
00:56:52 <AaronSw> speakers compress aims into slogans
00:56:59 <AaronSw> "We shape our tools and thereafter, our tools shape us!"
00:57:25 <AaronSw> "What will happen when intelligence is recognized as a global resource?"
00:57:33 <AaronSw> Girl: "It is the business of the future to be dangerous"
00:58:08 <AaronSw> "electric circuitry is oreientalizing the west"
00:58:15 <AaronSw> flowing electric circuitry replacing separatism
01:01:26 <AaronSw> "The old civic state and national groupings have become unworkable!"
01:01:55 <AaronSw> halftime
01:01:57 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is away: dinner
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01:35:34 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is back ;)
01:41:02 <AaronSw> McCluhan: "[Electric information retrieval creates] that one big gossip column that's unforgiving, unforgetful and from which there is no redemption, no erasure, and no mistakes."
01:41:28 <AaronSw> but now we are back in acoustic space
01:41:37 <AaronSw> tribal culture, primal emotion
01:41:47 <AaronSw> so in the present, but not in the rear view mirror
01:41:53 <AaronSw> "all space in a not-shell" joyce
01:41:58 <AaronSw> the not-shell being an eternal present
01:42:49 <AaronSw> "minority groups cannot be contained nor ignored, too many people know too much about each other"
01:43:57 <AaronSw> "it is a matter or emergency that our educational insitutions realize that we now have *civil war* among the environments created by media"
01:44:02 <AaronSw> err matter of emergency
01:44:26 <AaronSw> "the classroom is now in a vital struggle for survival with the highly persuasive outside world created by new media"
01:45:42 <AaronSw> @ http://www.aaronsw.com/mcluhan.mp3
01:45:55 <chumpster> A: http://www.aaronsw.com/mcluhan.mp3 from AaronSw
01:46:08 <AaronSw> A:|The Medium is a Massage (50MB MP3)
01:46:14 <AaronSw> A::A must-listen!
01:46:27 <chumpster> titled item A
01:46:35 <chumpster> commented item A
02:02:20 <AaronSw> "training will be more about training the senses than training brains"
02:02:57 <AaronSw> "a strange bond seems to exist among anti-social types to see things as they are"
02:03:26 <AaronSw> "the artist, the enima of the society points out things most people would prefer not to notice"
02:03:32 <AaronSw> "art is anything you can get away with"
02:06:38 <AaronSw> A::Intertwingled and hypertextual. Intelligent, insightful and a heck of a lot of fun to listen to.
02:06:41 <chumpster> commented item A
02:07:04 <AaronSw> "the *me*aning of *me*aning is *me*aning"
02:07:14 <AaronSw> "the young today reject roles, they want goals"
02:07:26 <AaronSw> "the child today lives in two worlds, and none of them wants him to grow up"
02:07:57 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: the *me*aning of *me*aning is *me*aning
02:09:53 <AaronSw> "all dictators inflating beauracracy do it with the cry"
02:09:53 <AaronSw> Girl: "down with beracracy (sic)!"
02:10:32 <AaronSw> "even science fiction is now very far behind what's actually happening"
02:16:09 <AaronSw> ah, what an ending
02:19:38 <AaronSw> A::It's so deep and multi-layered that it's taken (at least) five listens, but now I think I am beginning to understand it. I can certainly see why Wired likes McLuhan so much.
02:19:41 <chumpster> commented item A
02:21:25 <AaronSw> A::Cool. It's [in the Web Archive now|http://web.archive.org/web/20020310182213/www.aaronsw.com/mcluhan.mp3] (175K/sec.)
02:21:26 <chumpster> commented item A
03:03:08 <AaronSw> @ http://radio.weblogs.com/0100887/2002/03/08.html#a121
03:03:13 <chumpster> B: Jon's Radio from AaronSw
03:03:38 <AaronSw> B::Jon Udell: "I do *not* wish to read blogs in the aggregator, where (as Shelley rightly says) they are stripped of context. I want to read blogs in situ."
03:03:40 <chumpster> commented item B
03:09:43 <AaronSw> B::How ironic! What I think was [my first post on RSS|http://groups.yahoo.com/group/syndication/message/159] talked about how RSS was designed for headlines, not content syndication. Much later, Dave Winer [forked RSS|http://backend.userland.com/rss092] and broke compatibility with all old RSS processors to make it a better format for sharing weblog content.
03:09:45 <chumpster> commented item B
03:11:44 <AaronSw> B::It's good to see the circle coming full, with people wanting to go back the old RSS design. ([Eastgate's Tinderbox|http://eastgate.com/Tinderbox/] does things this way, BTW.)
03:11:46 <chumpster> commented item B
03:13:02 <AaronSw> @ http://eastgate.com/Tinderbox/why.html
03:13:05 <chumpster> C: Tinderbox: Why "Tinderbox"? from AaronSw
03:13:07 <AaronSw> .wn ceres
03:13:08 <xena> Ceres defined as:
03:13:09 <xena> - n 1: (Roman mythology) goddess of agriculture; counterpart of Greek Demeter [syn: {Ceres}]
03:13:10 <xena> - 2: the largest asteroid and the first discovered [syn: {Ceres}]
03:13:41 <AaronSw> C::"During its development, Tinderbox was known as Project Ceres, named for the Roman goddess of the harvest."
03:13:44 <chumpster> commented item C
03:14:44 <AaronSw> C::What Eastgate doesn't mention is that [Ceres|http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=ceres] is the first and largest discovered asteroid, with an orbit between Jupiter and Mars.
03:14:48 <chumpster> commented item C
03:17:53 <AaronSw> C::I'm so eager to play with Tinderbox... hurry up, Mark! ;-)
03:17:55 <chumpster> commented item C
03:18:45 <AaronSw> B:|Jon's Radio: Heads, decks and leads
03:18:48 <chumpster> titled item B
03:20:21 <AaronSw> B::Jon Udell: ["I thought the singularity would occur years ago, and I was wrong. I hope it's happening now, and while I could be wrong again, it's clear that something has changed. People are doing what I spent years of my life and hundreds of pages of my book advocating."|http://radio.weblogs.com/0100887/2002/03/10.html#a123]
03:20:23 <chumpster> commented item B
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03:54:19 <AaronSw> Jeremiah: "Homework Homework Homework. Let me count the ways I fucking hate you. End of story."
03:55:10 <AaronSw> yo sean, is 6D 3A 1F A3 0A E5 B6 34  E4 84 E0 EB F7 17 74 52 your latest fingerprint?
03:57:47 <sbp> fingerprint for what?
03:57:56 <AaronSw> your PGP key
03:58:00 <AaronSw> or GPG key
03:58:19 <sbp> I'm not sure. I don't use PGP at the moment, so it's irrelevent
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04:14:09 <sbp> * sbp actually does wonder what his "latest" key is
04:14:24 <sbp> I think I made one on the same night that the first chatted to tav about... things
04:15:18 <sbp> .google GPG
04:15:20 <xena> GPG: http://www.gnupg.org
04:16:01 <sbp> Guess I should use GPG instead...
04:16:22 <AaronSw> they're compatible, i believe
04:16:30 <AaronSw> and there's an openpgp rfc now
04:17:15 <sbp> cool
04:17:47 <GabeW> yeah, they are
04:18:01 <GabeW> I use gpg and the our customers use pgp
04:18:12 <GabeW> there are some signature verification issues
04:18:18 <GabeW> but i'm sure it can be fixed
04:18:23 <GabeW> just too lazy 
04:19:19 <sbp> pitiful: http://web.archive.org/*/http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/*
04:19:58 <sbp> only 22 pages from our illustrious corpus magnifica?
04:22:28 <sbp> .google last Beatles song to be recorded "I Me Mine"
04:22:29 <xena> last Beatles song to be recorded "I Me Mine": http://www.beatletracks.com
04:22:53 <sbp> "The last Beatles recording session, with John missing, was on January 3, 1970, to record I Me Mine." - http://www.beatletracks.com
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04:28:27 <sbp> Hrmph. I tried typing some random text, and it ended up being anything but random
04:28:55 <sbp> OTOH, perhaps I'm perfectly wrong
04:31:44 <sbp> Why do I have the feeling that if I edit it, I will inadvertantly destroy it?
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04:36:58 <sbp> wow, there's talking at the beginning of AYNIL
04:37:15 <rm> AYNIL?
04:37:42 <sbp> All You Need Is Love
04:37:50 <rm> ah
04:55:17 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is away: sleep
04:55:39 <AaronSw> goals for tomorrow: first draft of networking plesh code
05:05:05 <sbp> cool
05:05:32 <BenSw> cool
05:05:39 <AaronSw> cool
05:05:46 <sbp> cool
05:05:47 <AaronSw> hey, aren't you supposed to be asleep? ;)
05:05:58 <sbp> me?
05:06:03 <AaronSw> BenSw and AaronSw
05:06:08 <sbp> heh, heh
05:06:14 <sbp> me too, though
05:06:19 <sbp> 'night
05:06:21 <sbp> Gotta run
05:06:23 <AaronSw> .time
05:06:24 <xena> 2002/03/11 05:07:52.4969 Universal
05:06:27 <BenSw> bye sbp
05:06:30 <AaronSw> * AaronSw needs to get some food first
05:06:31 <AaronSw> nite
05:07:42 <BenSw> aaron, savanah.gnu.org, its gnu sd
05:07:48 <BenSw> s/sd/sf/
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05:11:01 <AaronSw> yeah, i know
05:11:06 <BenSw> ok
05:34:39 <AaronSw> * AaronSw munches
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16:35:47 <AaronSw> blanu: "It is ideas such as this that make me want to cast off the life of a peer-to-peer network developer in exchange for the gentle ways of a Shao-lin monk."
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18:28:39 <walloper> <dilbert> completed
18:33:43 <sbp> Aaron, my latest signature is "8FB7 89FA F57B A551 82A5 85E5 3E83 2BA2 9887 2884", I think
18:33:55 <sbp> dunno where the seckey is, though :-)
18:33:56 <AaronSw> hi sbp
18:33:57 <Morbus> hey sbp.
18:34:00 <sbp> Hi
18:34:10 <Morbus> macperl 561 is out, AaronSw. 
18:34:16 <Morbus> not that you care,  but hey ;)
18:34:29 <AaronSw> :-)
18:34:32 <Morbus> and my fifth article is out. 
18:34:38 <Morbus> and i've got so much work to do.
18:34:41 <Morbus> bah.
18:34:42 <sbp> So, Morbus... "You've got 3 seconds; what do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO?!"
18:34:42 <AaronSw> oooh. chump it
18:34:49 <Morbus> sbp: <G>
18:35:13 <Morbus> AaronSw, you should read the very lasat para. its fun;
18:35:19 <Morbus> or dumb, depending.
18:35:24 <AaronSw> Heh.
18:35:25 <Morbus> @ http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/08/apache_mac_5.html
18:35:31 <chumpster> D: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/08/apache_mac_5.html from Morbus
18:35:35 <AaronSw> * AaronSw reads
18:35:41 <AaronSw> D:|Apache Web-Serving With Mac OS X, Part 5
18:35:43 <chumpster> titled item D
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18:36:09 <Morbus> D::By your friend and mine, Morbus Iff!
18:36:10 <sbp> I like "There are various double-clickable packages available, as well as various ways to install and compile from source.". It's just so metrical
18:36:11 <chumpster> commented item D
18:36:23 <Morbus> D::"Laddddies, do I have three numbers right?"
18:36:25 <chumpster> commented item D
18:36:34 <Morbus> metrical? heh, heh.
18:36:38 <AaronSw> I like this: 'Along with the bosses abhorred, benefits scored, and welcome awards, mouths floored and derision ignored, nothing deplored and happiness poured, computer love has been restored, and with no principles discord! Hail the mighty Fnord!'
18:36:46 <Morbus> yah, that's the one :)
18:37:07 <sbp> oh, that's why you mentioned ketchup potato chips
18:37:47 <Morbus> :)
18:37:55 <AaronSw> "Discordian Quote for the picosecond: Due to circumstances within our control, tomorrow will be cancelled."
18:38:44 <AaronSw> heh: Morbus sez: "Sleeping makes Derrick angry!"
18:38:56 <Morbus> heh, heh. he never mentioned that to me either.
18:39:01 <Morbus> i wonder if he actually reads the articles <G>
18:39:10 <Morbus> [13:40] <patti> morbus, your article made it to daypop.
18:39:14 <Morbus> whee.
18:39:25 <AaronSw> read the articles? nah
18:39:56 <Morbus> ooh, number 11.
18:40:12 <AaronSw> just above cory
18:41:32 <sbp> hah! cool
18:43:44 <sbp> ooh, neat: http://www.ljworld.com/section/arts/story/85743
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18:57:12 <sbp> Gotta run
19:08:32 <AaronSw> Ooh, Stupid White Men and AIMIA are here
19:10:06 <AaronSw> err AIMA
19:10:36 <AaronSw> I wonder if I can send it in for an upgrade when the second edition comes out. ;)
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19:28:44 <Morbus> hey monokrom. any color in your life lately?
19:28:45 <Morbus> * Morbus chuckles.
19:50:26 <monokrom> :D
19:52:32 <monokrom> http://saladwithsteve.com/ <== switchover to blogger pro seems to be going a bit rockily
19:56:39 <Morbus> i heard that blogger pro only worked on IE browsers
19:57:09 <Morbus> Argh. Pro will be out of service for the next hour or so while we patch some things up. Thanks. -11:45 AM Pacific 
19:57:25 <monokrom> yeah - i read something to that effect on evhead too :D
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20:32:23 <sbp> they're advertising the iLamp over here on Sky
20:32:25 <sbp> the iLamp sits in a window, imitating this bloke that's staring at it
20:33:01 <sbp> * sbp decides to go on an anti-anti-censorship drive
20:33:29 <sbp> I was reading this article about how people had complained because the word "sh*g" was used in an episode of the Archers
20:34:05 <sbp> and I thought, "how quaint! how eccentrically British middle-class!"
20:34:22 <sbp> and then I thought of Aaron, and of all the anti-censorship movements
20:34:28 <sbp> they're destroying our heriatage!
20:34:32 <Morbus> heh
20:34:46 <sbp> we reserve the right to censor naughty words like "sh*g". It's part of who we are
20:34:58 <sbp> so as of this moment, no more anti-censorship
20:35:31 <Morbus> man, daypop is fast.
20:35:37 <Morbus> it already picked up the swhack apache thing
20:35:44 <sbp> daypop?
20:35:50 <sbp> heh, I already asked that...
20:36:20 <Morbus> heh: "morbus makes me laugh. go check out his new screed on installing mysql on osx. warning, don't read while drinking milk:"
20:36:29 <sbp> aha: http://www.daypop.com/search?q=link%3Awww.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2002/03/08/apache_mac_5.html&t=w&max=672
20:36:40 <sbp> yeah, I liked that bit too
20:43:06 <AaronSw> iLamp ad is available on the Web.
20:45:07 <sbp> and a swinging hot spot?
20:45:13 <sbp> * sbp plays Big Yellow Taxi
20:46:08 <sbp> tuned E B E G# B E, IIRC
20:46:15 <sbp> to get the sixths just right, probably
20:47:53 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Warning: Do not read whilst drinking milk
21:36:32 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is away: driving
21:53:46 <sbp> Gotta run
21:53:59 <Morbus> no!
21:54:04 <Morbus> walk. you'll hurt yourself.
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22:39:14 <sbp> heh, heh
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22:56:28 <AaronSw> Hm, drinking and driving don't mix.
23:02:34 <sbp> Clones are people two
23:03:04 <AaronSw> Kids and booze, <sigh/>.
23:04:27 <AaronSw> It's cool that kids of any age can fly.
23:06:24 <sbp> There is no "fly" - only a series of mouths :-)
23:06:43 <AaronSw> mouths?
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23:07:32 <AaronSw> Hm, zlib hole
23:07:48 <GabeW> quick go hack AaronSw's machien!
23:07:56 <GabeW> oh sorry, meant to post that on #2600
23:08:01 <AaronSw> Heh, heh
23:08:08 <AaronSw> no known exploits
23:10:15 <sbp> Just as you predicted!
23:10:18 <sbp> .google "dave winer milking sounds"
23:10:31 <GabeW> no known sploits since we haven't tried hard enough!
23:11:01 <AaronSw> debian update speed is insane - 14 upgrades in the past 17 hours
23:12:42 <GabeW> i really wanted to install debian on my old box, but the tulip driver (in the netinstall) and the ethernet card I have in the machine are not happy with each other
23:12:42 <sbp> xena?
23:12:53 <AaronSw> .time
23:13:06 <AaronSw> xena must be really buggered\
23:13:13 <AaronSw> This is a test
23:13:48 <AaronSw> odd
23:14:28 <sbp> chewbekkah.blogspace.com seems to be down, BWT
23:14:41 <sbp> yeah... um... I'll have a BWT please
23:14:52 <AaronSw> odd, xena can talk to OPN but OPN doesn't seem to be getting thru to xena
23:16:03 <AaronSw> mu2's had really lousy connectivity the past week
23:16:48 <sbp> Morbus is late
23:50:32 <AaronSw> you guys going out on a date?
23:50:32 <sbp> nah. he hates to fly
23:52:40 <AaronSw> ugh, stupid server...
23:55:49 <sbp> [of course, it's only information]
23:56:06 <redmonk> redmonk (sid@ip68-2-179-170.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack
23:56:15 <AaronSw> Hm. df shows that my disk has 4
23:56:33 <AaronSw> Hm. df shows that my disk has 4.4GB used. but du -hsc shows only 1.9GB
23:56:35 <redmonk> redmonk is now known as rm
23:56:38 <AaronSw> where's the other disk space gone?