IRC log of swhack on 2002-03-08

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00:19:51 [AaronSw]

hey jer

00:36:10 [redmonk]

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00:51:02 [jeremiah]

hi aaron

00:51:05 [jeremiah]

wow, talk about latency

00:51:10 [AaronSw]

heh

00:51:28 [jeremiah]

I love how school as grown to absorb my entire life

00:51:31 [jeremiah]

and I still get B's

00:51:33 [jeremiah]

I've stopped caring

00:51:36 [jeremiah]

it's not that good

00:51:58 [jeremiah]

I mean, if I cared, and there were 32 hours in a day, I could have straight A's

00:52:03 [AaronSw]

School is weird like that. When I didn't try I got As, when I tried I got Bs.

00:52:11 [jeremiah]

well these are hard ass classes

00:52:23 [jeremiah]

I'm taking the hardest english, hardest history, and hardest math our school offers

00:52:33 [jeremiah]

so I suppose I brought it on myself

00:53:07 [jeremiah]

other two classes are field bio and ancient and mideval history

00:53:14 [AaronSw]

ar ethey english history and math, or Memorization of English Literature, Memorization of Historical Events and Memorization of Mathematical Facts?

00:53:16 [jeremiah]

a&m history is so easy I don't pay attention then I get B's

00:53:26 [jeremiah]

memorization all the time

00:53:33 [AaronSw]

yeah, they misname the classes

00:53:37 [jeremiah]

and one would think I'd be good at memorization, given all the programming libraries and APIs I know

00:53:46 [jeremiah]

but generally I just know what to use, not exactly how to use it

00:54:11 [AaronSw]

Yeah, I've noticed good programemrs build models in there head, not memorize straight facts.

00:54:27 [AaronSw]

so they know where to go to for informaiton, but don't necessarily know every detail

00:55:15 [jeremiah]

like today the teacher was fiddling with this problem for 10 minutes with me zoned out, then I zone back in and say "hey, isn't that an interest rate" and he almost shit his pants

00:55:32 [jeremiah]

it was something to do with the Root Test for convergance and he ended up with (1 + 1/n)^n

00:55:38 [AaronSw]

Heh!

00:55:55 [jeremiah]

and he was like "I think we figured out this one and it equals e, or something"

00:56:03 [AaronSw]

riiight

00:56:05 [jeremiah]

he basically figured out everything except that it was simple interest, or whatever it was

00:56:19 [jeremiah]

which is sorta funny, since you would think he would recognize it

00:56:25 [jeremiah]

since he advocates goddamn memorization

00:56:41 [jeremiah]

but yeah, i suck when I can't build mental models of problems

00:56:52 [jeremiah]

once I get it down in my head as to what's actually happening, I can figure out all the problems pretty easily

00:57:12 [AaronSw]

Yep.

00:58:01 [jeremiah]

I just realized that all I ate for dinner was two huge slabs of bread and orange juice

00:59:09 [rm]

hehe

00:59:13 [jeremiah]

how much time do you spend in school aaron?

00:59:13 [rm]

mac and cheese here

00:59:36 [AaronSw]

First term was two hours, now just one.

00:59:53 [jeremiah]

two hours a day?

00:59:53 [jeremiah]

I don't understand the whole college "hours" system yet

01:00:10 [AaronSw]

four days a week

01:00:15 [jeremiah]

oh

01:00:25 [jeremiah]

maybe I'll take a few college classes next year

01:00:29 [jeremiah]

who knows

01:00:36 [rm]

hours == credits

01:00:38 [jeremiah]

I think I signed up to take linear algebra there next year, or something

01:00:38 [rm]

usually

01:00:53 [jeremiah]

or maybe I put off linear algebra and multivariable calc until college

01:00:57 [AaronSw]

by hours I mean fifty minute periods during which i must sit down.

01:01:02 [rm]

in fact they're called "credit hours"

01:01:23 [jeremiah]

ok

01:01:28 [jeremiah]

but if you have a "3 hour" class

01:01:34 [jeremiah]

do you go for 3 hours, four times a week?

01:01:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is using nonstandard terminology

01:02:02 [rm]

no, you usually go 3 hours once a week

01:02:06 [rm]

as in a lab course

01:02:17 [rm]

it's whacked

01:02:24 [jeremiah]

oh

01:02:26 [jeremiah]

hmm

01:02:34 [rm]

usually an "n hour course"

01:02:40 [rm]

means n hours / week

01:02:48 [rm]

there are always exceptions

01:02:52 [rm]

but that's a norm

01:03:01 [jeremiah]

I don't even know where I want to go to college, I've almost thought of not going and getting a job, or just going somewhere normal, not anywhere exceptional for college

01:03:21 [jeremiah]

School is so damn depressing I don't know if I want to put up with any more of it

01:03:45 [AaronSw]

Yeah, I know how you feel.

01:04:11 [AaronSw]

The college I go to was way easier, but it's not exactly one of the best colleges in America, if you know what I mean

01:04:43 [AaronSw]

The classes are harder, but there's a lot less busy work, so you have focused challenging activities, which aren't anywhere near as bad as high school.

01:04:54 [jeremiah]

yeah

01:04:54 [jeremiah]

well, virginia has some great colleges

01:04:54 [jeremiah]

but I don't know if I want to go to a great college

01:04:54 [jeremiah]

my theory is, most of the people get get into great colleges, at least the ones I know

01:05:13 [jeremiah]

are so fucking self absorbed and idiotic with incredible schoolwork drives just because they have nothing better to do with their time

01:05:15 [sbp]

get get?

01:05:31 [sbp]

* sbp found that, too

01:05:38 [jeremiah]

I mean... for all of the stuff I've learned up until now

01:05:46 [jeremiah]

there is no reason I don't have a 100 average except I'm too lazy

01:06:05 [jeremiah]

now some of the higher level math, like the stuff knuth can just rattle on about for 50 pages without taking a breath, some of that stuff is hard

01:06:13 [jeremiah]

but these aren't the kind of kids who can do that anyways

01:06:44 [jeremiah]

so I don't know, I think I'll just go somewhere normal that gives me enough leverage to do my own thing while I'm in college

01:07:05 [AaronSw]

yeah, that's what's depressing: getting your standards lowered and seeing kids who succeed while still not understanding

01:07:09 [sbp]

heh. like me

01:07:19 [sbp]

that really could have done with a "#"

01:07:29 [AaronSw]

hey, you understand

01:07:35 [jeremiah]

or i'll drop out and make art like this and become famous: http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/mondrian/

01:07:35 [AaronSw]

and your standards are way too high

01:07:40 [AaronSw]

(to sbp)

01:07:44 [sbp]

no, no, I mean the thing before

01:07:51 [AaronSw]

oh.

01:08:01 [sbp]

I went through this a million times, though

01:08:04 [AaronSw]

Sorry jeremiah, we already used up the world's Mondrian budget.

01:08:11 [sbp]

it just ended up being a bit more complicated at the end

01:08:12 [jeremiah]

haha

01:08:20 [jeremiah]

well then I'll be the next Jasper Johns

01:08:25 [sbp]

J: become agoraphobic, and then moan

01:08:25 [jeremiah]

I actually like his art too

01:08:34 [sbp]

heh. he steals lightbulbs!

01:08:50 [jeremiah]

well, my friend and I were talking today about this military conference

01:08:53 [jeremiah]

that my mom wants me to go to

01:08:56 [jeremiah]

and I thought about it

01:09:09 [jeremiah]

I would love to just drive a tank and blow shit up for a living

01:09:50 [AaronSw]

oh no, we're losing a third coder to the military

01:10:05 [jeremiah]

I could code for the military

01:10:06 [AaronSw]

jeremiah, it's not all fun and games. sometimes you have to reload the tank.

01:10:11 [jeremiah]

yeah

01:10:12 [jeremiah]

well...

01:10:18 [jeremiah]

coffe party 2010:

01:10:31 [jeremiah]

"so... my name is barbra, I'm in accounting at Lyman and Lyman, what do you do for a living"

01:10:50 [jeremiah]

"well barbra, you know that bomb that they used to suck the air out of the lungs of 100,000 people and then incinerate their bodies?"

01:10:51 [jeremiah]

"yes"

01:10:54 [jeremiah]

"I created that"

01:11:04 [sbp]

"I have to go over here now"

01:11:07 [jeremiah]

yeah

01:11:10 [AaronSw]

exactly

01:11:34 [jeremiah]

"Join the Army, travel to exotic places, meet exotic people, and kill them!"

01:11:49 [AaronSw]

There's a reason Ender is just a kid.

01:11:56 [rm]

yep

01:11:59 [rm]

scary

01:12:15 [jeremiah]

ooh I found the exact quote: "Join the Army: travel to exotic distant lands, meet exciting, unusual people and kill them."

01:12:31 [rm]

what's that from?

01:12:35 [jeremiah]

http://www.ag.wastholm.net/aphorism/A-2562

01:12:45 [sbp]

that's a badly ungramaticalized unsentence

01:12:48 [jeremiah]

it's anonymous, but apparently someone got it from somewhere

01:12:57 [sbp]

especially if you're Dutch

01:13:15 [jeremiah]

yeah that is pretty bad grammer

01:13:52 [sbp]

I'd change it to: "Join the army! Kill stuff!"

01:14:02 [AaronSw]

See, that's not funny.

01:14:05 [sbp]

it is!

01:14:07 [jeremiah]

yeah, we have these recruiters at our school a lot

01:14:11 [AaronSw]

Yeah, you're right.

01:14:14 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:14:20 [jeremiah]

since I live near the biggest military buildup in the US

01:14:23 [jeremiah]

and therefore... probably the world

01:14:32 [AaronSw]

You live in Tora Bora caves?

01:14:44 [sbp]

Afghanistan belongs to the US now?

01:14:44 [jeremiah]

I want to walk up to one of them, and say "if I join the army now, how long until I can gut one of those goddamn afghan pigs?"

01:14:55 [AaronSw]

lol

01:14:56 [jeremiah]

and make them give me a number

01:15:22 [rm]

j: live where?

01:15:22 [AaronSw]

I hear that going to work for the army disqualifies you for contientious objector status.

01:15:31 [sbp]

heh. I'd like to go up to someone with a larger serial number than me and go, "in your face 98234509!"

01:15:45 [jeremiah]

rm: south-eastern virginia

01:15:48 [rm]

hehhe

01:15:50 [jeremiah]

williamsburg, actually

01:15:58 [rm]

just moved from thre 4 months ago

01:16:02 [rm]

pertsmouth

01:16:06 [rm]

er, portsmouth

01:16:11 [sbp]

Aaron: unless you're a medic/nurse

01:16:19 [jeremiah]

within an hour's drive from a big CIA Base(camp peary), Langley Air-Force Base and Newport news shipbuilding

01:16:26 [jeremiah]

rm: I'm in williamsburg

01:16:43 [rm]

norfolk naval base, oceana naval air station

01:16:50 [rm]

quanitico is south

01:16:53 [rm]

no

01:16:54 [jeremiah]

yeah

01:16:55 [rm]

north

01:16:59 [jeremiah]

well, we have everything basically

01:17:03 [rm]

yep

01:17:07 [rm]

grew up there

01:17:12 [jeremiah]

then the... entire US government 3 miles north

01:17:29 [AaronSw]

nah, not all of it. some live in california because the weather is better.

01:17:30 [rm]

my dad's an architect and gets 60% of his work from .mil/.gov

01:17:42 [rm]

anyway gotta run

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01:17:54 [AaronSw]

I like how our world has become classified by tlds.

01:18:00 [jeremiah]

yeah

01:18:02 [AaronSw]

"Oh, I live in .ca"

01:18:02 [sbp]

all of the really "cool" politicians hang out on the west coast...

01:18:36 [AaronSw]

"Well my brain is like a jellyfish in the ocean of my head because I drank too much tequila and I woke up seeing red."

01:18:46 [sbp]

heh. Jellyfish!

01:18:57 [AaronSw]

Heh heh

01:19:06 [jeremiah]

yeah

01:19:14 [sbp]

you're going to become a pirate soon, which is quite ironic

01:19:20 [AaronSw]

I am?

01:19:24 [sbp]

sure

01:19:28 [AaronSw]

Arrgh, pirates.

01:19:36 [sbp]

aaaaaar, matey

01:19:51 [AaronSw]

yeah, shiver me filesharing

01:19:54 [jeremiah]

Make 'em swaaab da poop deck!

01:20:06 [sbp]

Homer: Is the poop deck really what I think it is?

01:20:43 [sbp]

that accent sounds like an inner city swede

01:20:58 [jeremiah]

well, it's being typed

01:21:04 [jeremiah]

but in general, we use that phrase a lot

01:21:10 [jeremiah]

to suggest punishments for our teacher to use

01:21:18 [sbp]

heh, heh

01:21:37 [jeremiah]

step-poppa ranting about military asking his age before he applies

01:21:40 [jeremiah]

::sigh::

01:21:49 [sbp]

we'd be like, "send us home early! deprive us of an education!"

01:21:49 [AaronSw]

My old teacher would hang us upside down from the ceiling by our toenails. Ah, the good old days.

01:22:29 [jeremiah]

the other day, we were sitting there in class during an awkward pause and the teacher was feeling all proud of himself

01:22:32 [AaronSw]

I like how school suspends kids as punishment. They call that a punishment?

01:22:41 [jeremiah]

and I say: "so mr critzer, when are you going to get a real job?"

01:22:46 [sbp]

lol

01:22:50 [AaronSw]

Oooooh, diss.

01:22:59 [jeremiah]

yeah, he deserved it

01:23:12 [jeremiah]

suspension isn't a punishment if you don't care about your grades

01:23:12 [AaronSw]

Tip: Don't say that to the road test examiner at the DMV.

01:23:16 [jeremiah]

and those kids taht do don't get suspended

01:23:27 [jeremiah]

I never had one, my driving school did the exam for me

01:23:28 [jeremiah]

it was nice

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01:23:35 [AaronSw]

That's weird.

01:23:39 [sbp]

bizzare

01:24:06 [jeremiah]

booooy you in da sowth, down heauh we do act a lil' diffent, and ya can deal wit it, son

01:24:26 [sbp]

* sbp wonders if that's some kind of Swahili

01:24:33 [sbp]

South African, certainly

01:25:03 [AaronSw]

Heh.

01:25:19 [jeremiah]

I wanna be able to run as fast as Alan Turing someday

01:25:24 [sbp]

lol!

01:25:40 [jeremiah]

the guy was fast

01:25:43 [sbp]

sbp has changed the topic to: <jeremiah> I wanna be able to run as fast as Alan Turing someday

01:25:48 [AaronSw]

jeremiah, we'd call you the Turing Machine

01:25:59 [AaronSw]

"He runs so fast, he's like a machine." "Yes, a Turing Machine."

01:26:16 [AaronSw]

"He's the fastest guy in the universe." "Yes, a Universal Turing Machine."

01:26:17 [jeremiah]

http://www.turing.org.uk/turing/scrapbook/run.html

01:26:44 [jeremiah]

"Alan Turing never got the computer up and running, but he himself was running with tremendous energy and speed."

01:28:12 [sbp]

* sbp could run a 5 and a half minute mile when much younger

01:28:12 [AaronSw]

That's worse than my joke."

01:29:01 [jeremiah]

nice

01:29:05 [jeremiah]

I can run about a 6 now

01:29:10 [sbp]

heh, cool

01:29:11 [jeremiah]

working my way downwards, working on speed now

01:29:25 [jeremiah]

I was working on endurance/distance earlier

01:29:30 [sbp]

yeah... running middle distance is a much different skill to long distance

01:29:34 [jeremiah]

yeah

01:30:04 [jeremiah]

coach wants me to do the 2 mile, or something

01:30:13 [jeremiah]

problem is: my team is really really good, we have some of the best runners in the nation

01:30:17 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is away

01:30:26 [sbp]

ugh... well, at least they'll spur you on

01:30:39 [jeremiah]

our 4x8 (I think that's the event) team is 6th in the country, going to nationals I think this weekend

01:30:51 [jeremiah]

yeah, and I'll get fast if i work at it

01:31:23 [sbp]

how much do you walk/run per day now?

01:31:34 [sbp]

* sbp used to do 3/1 long ago

01:31:53 [jeremiah]

remind me again how the system works

01:32:00 [jeremiah]

the first number is the runners, right?

01:32:05 [jeremiah]

and the second is the meters in hundreds?

01:32:16 [sbp]

miles walked/miles ran

01:32:30 [jeremiah]

I ment for track events, heh

01:32:39 [sbp]

oh, heh, heh

01:32:49 [sbp]

legs x meters

01:33:17 [jeremiah]

I was running 5 a day, walking maybe 1/2 a mile a while back, I did 5 in about 50 minutes, which is slow, might have been a little more than 5 miles

01:33:34 [jeremiah]

let me think about today's running

01:33:38 [jeremiah]

I think it was about 5 miles, but much faster

01:34:03 [sbp]

well, I suppose you have to do quite a few if you're focussing on endurance

01:34:07 [jeremiah]

probably running consistant 8 minute miles now, because I have to, and then I can get down to 7 during a workout, 6 is still prettymuch an all out sprint

01:34:13 [sbp]

where do you run? town/country? preference?

01:34:33 [jeremiah]

I'm on the track team, but I run everywhere, my town is like a suburb of nowhere

01:34:41 [jeremiah]

so it's urban and somewhat rural

01:34:48 [sbp]

that's useful

01:34:49 [jeremiah]

it's one of the big tourist draws on the east

01:35:06 [jeremiah]

but today I ran... on sidewalks, on a track, through back country woods and mud, and also across a big field

01:35:08 [sbp]

perhaps I'll visit one day :-)

01:35:22 [jeremiah]

williamsburg was the seat of the first english colony to the US

01:35:39 [sbp]

argh, I'll be getting my map, then...

01:36:01 [jeremiah]

haha

01:36:35 [sbp]

ah, got it. Just by Norfolk

01:36:37 [jeremiah]

yeah

01:36:45 [jeremiah]

have you been to the US?

01:37:09 [sbp]

once

01:37:18 [jeremiah]

hmm

01:37:22 [jeremiah]

I can't imagine not living here

01:37:26 [jeremiah]

but I want to move I think

01:37:41 [sbp]

me neither

01:37:53 [jeremiah]

to somewhere in europe, even though that sounds goofy and romantic

01:38:00 [jeremiah]

more like somewhere in cold ass northern europe, I think

01:38:50 [sbp]

scandinavia?

01:38:58 [jeremiah]

finland

01:38:59 [jeremiah]

iceland

01:39:02 [jeremiah]

netherlands

01:39:06 [jeremiah]

germany

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01:41:31 [jeremiah]

or something like that

01:42:30 [sbp]

[OLM]

01:42:48 [sbp]

Hmm... trying to find a word on Google that has 500-1000 results

01:42:55 [jeremiah]

hmm

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02:27:02 [jeremiah]

time for sleep

02:27:04 [jeremiah]

seeya

02:28:45 [sbp]

c'ya

02:30:22 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is bacj

02:30:24 [AaronSw]

err back

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02:45:44 [sbp]

tips on insulting people, part 1: Sentence Length variation. Vary the lengths of your sentences, dumbwad! e.g. "You suck. You really, really, really, really, really, really, really, suck."

02:47:32 [sbp]

Hmm... I wonder if there really is a hints and tips guide out there somewhere?

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02:48:37 [sbp]

heh, this is quite marvellous: http://homepages.msn.com/MSNGamingZone/goumaster/

02:48:49 [sbp]

it's half way between funny-funny, and funny-funny

02:49:12 [sbp]

"""Well I am only 11, I speak 15 languages, can beat a master chess bloke at rugby, can proppel my self at light-speed(therefore travelling in time), and finally I can eat pie."""

02:52:58 [AaronSw]

heh, no wonder semplesh.com wasn't working

02:53:06 [AaronSw]

i think i was pointing it at the espians server

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02:53:15 [sbp]

Hi Sean

02:53:15 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw smacks forehead

02:53:18 [SeanP]

Hi

02:53:23 [AaronSw]

Uh oh, not this again.

02:53:27 [sbp]

wha? wha?

02:53:45 [SeanP]

yeah, we're so bored that we're speaking to ourself

02:53:51 [sbp]

heh. Quite true

02:54:05 [SeanP]

actually, I just wanted to quiz him

02:54:11 [sbp]

quiz me? on what?

02:54:17 [SeanP]

er... you should already know

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02:54:30 [sbp]

argh!

02:54:30 [SeanBP]

Hey guys

02:54:36 [SeanP]

man, this is just weird

02:54:52 [sbp]

Attack of the sbp's!

02:54:59 [SeanP]

heh, heh

02:55:08 [SeanBP]

It's not fair to laugh at your own jokes

02:55:20 [sbp]

it's not fair to critcize your own jokes, either

02:55:24 [SeanP]

agreed

02:55:34 [SeanBP]

true

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02:55:59 [AaronSw]

Hmm, that didn't work right

02:56:02 [sbp]

I just wanted to interview myself for an article in Newsweek

02:56:13 [SeanP]

er... you mean for your homepage, surely?

02:56:16 [sbp]

shut up

02:56:19 [SeanP]

MAke me

02:56:25 [sbp]

* sbp smacks self

02:56:35 [AaronSw]

self.smack() you mean

02:56:38 [sbp]

heh!

02:56:52 [SeanP]

that wasn't funny

02:56:59 [sbp]

pff, what do you know?

02:57:20 [AaronSw]

We should get KevinH on some time to talk to Morbus

02:57:23 [sbp]

actually, I had a transcript prepared. I knew you'd feck it up

02:57:30 [SeanP]

heh, yeah

02:57:38 [AaronSw]

You prepared a transcript? sheesh

02:57:46 [sbp]

I'm quite odd like that

02:57:52 [SeanP]

he is! he really is

02:57:59 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw imagines KevinH with slicked-back hair, a leather jacket, and absolutely nothing intelligent to say

02:58:10 [AaronSw]

ok, i'll be quiet now and you can go thru the script

02:58:14 [sbp]

isn't that Morbus?

02:58:41 [SeanP]

no, he's got a taste of how mcuh it'll suck now. I'm sure he'll bork this window soon

02:58:47 [sbp]

you got that right

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02:58:59 [AaronSw]

window.bork()?

02:59:02 [sbp]

and off he goes. Well... to here

02:59:06 [sbp]

yep

03:05:56 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw checks his stats

03:07:02 [AaronSw]

Wow, I get a lot of hits.

03:07:37 [AaronSw]

5 hits from people searching for "school rules" and 2 for "wacko blog"

03:08:04 [AaronSw]

two hits for "embarassing photos"

03:08:29 [AaronSw]

heh, two for "Student council" "popularity contest"

03:08:53 [AaronSw]

1 for "short people photos dot com"

03:09:12 [AaronSw]

one for plex

03:09:30 [AaronSw]

most people visit my site on WinNT

03:09:50 [AaronSw]

that means I can insult them

03:09:55 [sbp]

lol

03:10:17 [AaronSw]

i'm afraid to run this on the swhack logs

03:10:25 [AaronSw]

i don't want to know what kind of referers they get

03:10:38 [AaronSw]

wow, saldwithsteve has given me 59 hits

03:10:43 [AaronSw]

and plexnow.com has given me 481

03:11:46 [sbp]

saldwithsteve?

03:12:00 [AaronSw]

oh, he linked to my cube

03:12:07 [sbp]

cube?

03:12:22 [sbp]

you have a cube? why was I not informed?

03:14:21 [AaronSw]

i told you like three times

03:14:30 [AaronSw]

but that's not what I was talking about

03:14:40 [AaronSw]

specifically, he linked to http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/IMG_1119.JPG/view

03:16:24 [sbp]

when did you tell me that?

03:28:30 [sbp]

wow, this transcript is actually quite funy all of a sudden. All I did was change a few lines, and make liberal use of the word "spankified"

03:31:44 [AaronSw]

Heh

03:31:51 [AaronSw]

I told you both of those things a while back

03:33:37 [sbp]

you lie!

03:33:50 [AaronSw]

well i typed them into the channel, same thing

03:34:01 [sbp]

sorry, I don't believe you

03:34:23 [sbp]

why is the NeXT cube called a cube when it's not cubular?

03:34:48 [AaronSw]

what is it then?

03:34:52 [sbp]

man, the first 7 lines of this transcript are so funny

03:35:05 [sbp]

it's just lumpy

03:35:10 [sbp]

not a cubular

03:35:25 [sbp]

s/a //

03:36:37 [AaronSw]

looks cubular to me

03:36:49 [AaronSw]

relatively so

03:36:52 [AaronSw]

here's a better picture: http://www.lowendmac.com/next/cube.html

03:38:40 [sbp]

Pff

03:39:11 [sbp]

wow, my CD player just arsed out

03:40:22 [AaronSw]

wow, so many good uk photos

03:43:58 [sbp]

this bit is crap, but I'm archiving it here for poseriority:-

03:43:58 [sbp]

Q: What do you think of Ain El-Meelkin?

03:43:59 [sbp]

A: He's a nice guy; we've chatted a few times on IRC

03:43:59 [sbp]

Q: What's your favourite suffix?

03:43:59 [sbp]

A: -oid. Possibly followed by -ariffic. Like "smegoidariffic"

03:43:59 [sbp]

Q: -ied is quite good too though, isn't it?

03:44:00 [sbp]

A: Hmm... as in spankified? I suppose so

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04:22:13 [BenSw]

Hello

04:23:22 [sbp]

Hi Ben

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05:08:56 [AaronSw]

aargh! deltab timed out

05:09:00 [AaronSw]

and xena... hmm

05:09:20 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks for the mu2 is down! mu2 is down! channel

05:31:58 [sbp]

argh... I need xena

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[[[

14:23:04 [Morbus]

[09:24] <rik> paint eyes on your eyelids and just look pensive?

14:23:04 [Morbus]

[09:24] <Morbus> ... ...

14:23:04 [Morbus]

[09:24] <Morbus> wait. there's an expression other than pensive?

14:23:05 [Morbus]

]]]

14:34:23 [AaronSw]

you win again

14:34:27 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is away: school

14:36:24 [Morbus]

i win?

14:36:26 [Morbus]

what do I win?

14:36:40 [Morbus]

every time I come in here, you're off driving or schooling. i'm beginning to think you don't like me ;)

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14:58:34 [Morbus]

monk monk!

14:58:43 [redmonk]

hey mor

15:01:10 [redmonk]

i installed Amph yesterday, but could not get it to run

15:02:11 [Morbus]

oh?

15:02:22 [Morbus]

oh, right, this is on OS X through the Terminal, right?

15:04:00 [redmonk]

yeah

15:04:14 [redmonk]

i had to force LWP, but everything else seemed to go ok

15:04:31 [redmonk]

i got ssome permission errors from cpan, so i reran it as root

15:04:48 [Morbus]

ok. so what's the error you get when running Ampheta now?

15:04:52 [redmonk]

when i ./Amphetadesk.pl, nothing happened

15:05:11 [redmonk]

although i did not try 'perl Amphetadesk.pl'

15:05:33 [redmonk]

nope not that either

15:05:36 [Morbus]

mmkay.

15:05:37 [Morbus]

do this:

15:05:39 [redmonk]

no errors, nothing

15:05:56 [Morbus]

perl -pi.old 's/\r/\n/g' AmphetaDesk.pl lib/*.pl

15:06:05 [Morbus]

do that in the AmphetaDesk root folder.

15:08:02 [redmonk]

> Can't open perl script "s/\r/\n/g": No such file or directory

15:08:23 [Morbus]

oop.

15:08:28 [Morbus]

perl -pi.old -e 's/\r/\n/g' AmphetaDesk.pl lib/*.pl

15:08:35 [Morbus]

"-e" before the 's stuff

15:09:16 [redmonk]

hm. now it wants Mac internet config stuff

15:09:24 [redmonk]

maybe i got wrong src?

15:09:29 [Morbus]

nope.

15:09:31 [Morbus]

that's the second bug.

15:09:39 [redmonk]

ok...

15:09:41 [Morbus]

past the README instructions, there were two things I screwed up.

15:09:45 [Morbus]

linefeeds, which we've just fixed.

15:09:48 [redmonk]

fixee fixxe! ;-)

15:09:58 [redmonk]

oh ok

15:10:00 [redmonk]

righht

15:10:02 [redmonk]

and?

15:10:03 [Morbus]

now, open AmphetaDesk.pl, and you'll see in the vrey beginning to uncommented lines about "for mac compile".

15:10:12 [Morbus]

comment those lines out, and you should be all set.

15:10:48 [redmonk]

use File::Base?

15:11:08 [redmonk]

got em

15:11:24 [Morbus]

Mac::

15:11:29 [redmonk]

muahahahha, it's alive!

15:11:35 [Morbus]

:)

15:12:03 [Morbus]

the shell perl can't reach out into the Finder OS, so you'll have to open your browser manually.

15:12:07 [Morbus]

i'm working on that one though

15:12:24 [redmonk]

got it

15:12:27 [redmonk]

w00t!

15:12:55 [Morbus]

w00t?

15:12:57 [redmonk]

you should implement the "coffee cup" subscribe feature

15:13:02 [redmonk]

;-)

15:13:05 [Morbus]

is this, how do you say, "w00t" good?

15:13:10 [Morbus]

redmonk: already done.

15:13:14 [Morbus]

newsisfree.com uses it.

15:13:17 [redmonk]

some silly h4x0r-speak

15:13:20 [Morbus]

winer ripped it off from me ;)

15:13:24 [redmonk]

lol

15:13:28 [Morbus]

and so did jeff barr, actually :)

15:13:48 [redmonk]

do you have an icon? i'll put on on redmonk.net

15:14:08 [Morbus]

yah, there should be one in /docs/images/

15:14:12 [Morbus]

88x33, i think

15:14:20 [redmonk]

hm, big

15:14:28 [Morbus]

ok. maybe it's not in there.

15:14:44 [Morbus]

oh, right. yeah, i only have a rss ready image - 88x33 or something or other. i don't have a coffee sized icon

15:14:59 [Morbus]

http://www.disobey.com/amphetadesk/images/logo-88x31.gif

15:15:02 [Morbus]

that's the smallest i got.

15:16:45 [redmonk]

s'ok

15:17:08 [redmonk]

you need a search feauture so one can search the feed list

15:17:21 [Morbus]

yup, on the TODO.

15:17:35 [redmonk]

;-)

15:20:37 [redmonk]

yay!

15:20:56 [Morbus]

speaketh your thoughtths!

15:21:00 [redmonk]

now to put it in my startup items somehow, and make sure it launches in it's own process

15:21:04 [redmonk]

i dig it

15:21:14 [redmonk]

less overhead than radio

15:21:18 [Morbus]

redmonk: i think i have an as around here. hold on.

15:21:26 [Morbus]

it was written by another ampheta user.

15:22:48 [Morbus]

hmm. no, its on my other machine.

15:22:53 [Morbus]

here's something you can try, though.

15:22:59 [Morbus]

rename amphetadesk.pl to amphetadesk.pl.command

15:23:04 [Morbus]

and then try to double click it from the Finder.

15:23:11 [Morbus]

if it works, stick that in your Startup Items

15:23:22 [redmonk]

i'll try

15:23:47 [Morbus]

i don't know if it will - it has to be run from the directory it lives in, and i don't know if the double click does that.

15:24:21 [redmonk]

looks like it does not

15:24:27 [redmonk]

it does launch

15:24:32 [redmonk]

but barfs

15:24:35 [Morbus]

yeah...

15:24:43 [Morbus]

that should be fixed in the next version. it bugs me too.

15:24:44 [redmonk]

it also opens a term window which i don't want

15:25:03 [Morbus]

the AS i have opens a term window too - i know nothing of AS so I don't know how to turn that off - I'll ask the user.

15:25:06 [redmonk]

what's the unixy way of getting things to launch on startup

15:25:10 [Morbus]

if you really want to stop it, i can show you how ;)

15:25:25 [Morbus]

for OS X, stick something in ~/Library/StartupItems I believe

15:25:29 [Morbus]

but it has to be a certain format.

15:25:40 [Morbus]

actually, i can't stop the terminal window. nevermind.

15:25:51 [redmonk]

well, yeah, but i kind of wanted to do something like...

15:26:14 [redmonk]

./Amphetadesk.pl > amp.log &

15:26:21 [redmonk]

at boot

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15:26:29 [redmonk]

(or login)

15:26:33 [redmonk]

hm.

15:26:49 [Morbus]

well, you should be able to do that with a StartupItem.

15:27:00 [redmonk]

i'll look into it

15:27:18 [Morbus]

I may have something for you. email?

15:27:25 [redmonk]

steve@redmonk.net

15:27:53 [Morbus]

do you have a perma connection?

15:28:13 [redmonk]

well, sort of

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15:29:18 [Morbus]

k. i just sent you a startup item.

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15:46:47 [redmonk]

woohoo!

15:48:25 [redmonk]

d'oh!

15:48:40 [redmonk]

hm

15:48:41 [Morbus]

heheheh. wha?

15:48:56 [redmonk]

well, the service has the same problem as the applescript

15:49:11 [redmonk]

it's not really starting the script *in* the scripts root folder

15:49:41 [redmonk]

i'm sure there's some way to do it, but i don't knowwhat it is

15:49:45 [Morbus]

odd... it really should be if you cd'd in there.

15:49:47 [redmonk]

wonder if i can cd

15:49:51 [Morbus]

here's half the problem.

15:49:53 [redmonk]

right...

15:49:56 [redmonk]

duh

15:49:58 [Morbus]

amphetadesk determines where its installed *at runtime*.

15:49:58 [redmonk]

hang on

15:50:08 [Morbus]

that way you can easily move it all around without worrying about it.

15:50:23 [Morbus]

to do that though, it assumes that all the data and crap is one level deeper than where the script is run from.

15:50:43 [Morbus]

so if it can't find those requisite folders, it'll complain, as you've noticed.

15:51:00 [Morbus]

i can show you how to hard code the path in teh script, or you can try the 'cd' thing

15:51:20 [redmonk]

now it's working

15:51:30 [Morbus]

with the cd?

15:51:31 [redmonk]

i just had to 'cd' in the startup script

15:51:40 [Morbus]

gotcha. good. good.

15:53:06 [redmonk]

yeah. and i hacked snak too - all better!

15:53:13 [redmonk]

biab - breakfast

15:56:11 [redmonk]

how often does amp fetch new news?

15:56:44 [Morbus]

phone

15:58:22 [redmonk]

k

16:04:50 [Morbus]

k. by default, and this is dumb, it doesn't fetch news any time besides startup.

16:05:10 [Morbus]

that's being fixed in the next version, but I can give you code to add that would force it, if need be.

16:16:57 [redmonk]

hm. yeah, that's a bit dumb.

16:17:13 [Morbus]

well, way long time ago, it made sense.

16:17:17 [redmonk]

i would take that code if you'll gimme

16:17:19 [redmonk]

;-)

16:17:22 [redmonk]

no worries.

16:17:23 [Morbus]

k. hold on. lemme figure it out ;)

16:18:33 [redmonk]

;)

16:23:09 [redmonk]

email - gotta go

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17:43:53 [Morbus]

sbp: http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/showreview.php3?ID=3148

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18:51:25 [sbp]

Morbus: heh, cool

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19:03:53 [Morbus]

.google principia discordia

19:03:54 [xena]

principia discordia: http://www.ology.org/principia

19:05:53 [Morbus]

.google home page of the principia discordia

19:05:54 [xena]

home page of the principia discordia: http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~boogles/Illuminati

19:58:38 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is back

19:59:14 [AaronSw]

woo, jorn sent comments on semanticWeb-long

19:59:56 [AaronSw]

.google breadth

19:59:56 [xena]

breadth: http://logicerror.com/semanticWeb-long

20:00:01 [AaronSw]

heh!

20:00:30 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw makes note to use the word breadth more

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20:14:35 [sbp]

.google depth

20:14:36 [xena]

depth: http://www.critical-depth.com

20:21:09 [sbp]

hey, between us, I wonder how many pages we have that rank #1 for single-word Google searches?

20:26:40 [sbp]

.google breadth

20:26:41 [xena]

breadth: http://logicerror.com/semanticWeb-long

20:26:45 [sbp]

.google sbp

20:26:46 [xena]

sbp: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp

20:26:50 [sbp]

.google swhack

20:26:51 [xena]

swhack: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog

20:26:55 [sbp]

.google disobey

20:26:56 [xena]

disobey: http://www.disobey.com

20:26:58 [AaronSw]

sbp and swhack aren't words

20:27:00 [sbp]

.google blogspace

20:27:02 [xena]

blogspace: http://blogspace.com/about/&e=922

20:27:07 [AaronSw]

neither is blogspace

20:27:11 [sbp]

they damn well should be

20:43:45 [Morbus]

argh.

20:43:48 [Morbus]

* Morbus sighs.

20:44:44 [Morbus]

* Morbus goes back to mumbling.

20:52:59 [AaronSw]

Add this to your radar:

20:53:00 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.sputnik.com/

20:53:04 [chumpster]

A: http://www.sputnik.com/ from AaronSw

20:53:12 [AaronSw]

A:|Sputnik

20:53:13 [chumpster]

titled item A

20:53:21 [AaronSw]

A::P2P comes to wireless bandwidth.

20:53:22 [chumpster]

commented item A

20:54:03 [AaronSw]

A::Download the client on your machine, share your excess bandwidth via 802.11, and you get access to everyone else who uses Sputnik.

20:54:05 [chumpster]

commented item A

20:54:19 [AaronSw]

A::Priority is given to local users of course, and there's lots of traffic shaping and stuff like that.

20:54:19 [chumpster]

commented item A

21:02:44 [AaronSw]

A::Ugh, you need a dedicated machine to boot off their CD and run it full-time. They're gonna need to fix that.

21:02:50 [chumpster]

commented item A

21:21:16 [Morbus]

sbp, you here? i need you.

21:22:04 [sbp]

Hi

21:22:08 [sbp]

Morbus? still there?

21:22:12 [Morbus]

sbp, yeah.

21:22:13 [Morbus]

listen.

21:22:19 [Morbus]

have you ever seen "bollocks" spelled as "bollix"?

21:22:46 [sbp]

yeah, but only by dorks

21:22:47 [Morbus]

The copyeditor and I think bollocks is right, but American Heritage and Roget's spell it bollix.

21:22:55 [sbp]

heh, heh

21:22:59 [Morbus]

http://www.bartleby.com/62/59/B0175900.html

21:23:02 [sbp]

bollocks is correct

21:23:40 [Morbus]

ok, and just for sanity's sake, you UKis people say this a lot and know what you're talking about, right?

21:23:50 [Morbus]

i'm fighting American Heritage here <g>

21:24:21 [sbp]

I think that bollix is an archaic variant which has or is dying out

21:24:59 [sbp]

try http://www.bartleby.com/61/52/B0375200.html

21:25:36 [sbp]

I'll prove my point...

21:25:46 [Morbus]

right, that's what she's repeating to me.

21:25:53 [Morbus]

its hard to fight that, even though we both think the other is right.

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21:26:03 [sbp]

$ u googlecount bollix

21:26:12 [CygBot]

> bollix: 2,480

21:26:13 [CygBot]

> [end]

21:26:17 [sbp]

$ u googlecount bollocks

21:26:37 [CygBot]

> bollocks: 88,100

21:26:38 [CygBot]

> [end]

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21:26:51 [Morbus]

mmkay. i'm chat transcripting this to her ;)

21:27:02 [sbp]

heh, heh

21:29:12 [sbp]

the problem with bollix is: what's the singular?

21:29:21 [sbp]

for bollocks, it's clearly bollock

21:29:43 [sbp]

bollik, perhaps? But that's silly

21:31:30 [Morbus]

http://www.emich.edu/~linguist/issues/4/4-272.html#4

21:31:37 [Morbus]

that's shows the exact same structyre i'm using too.

21:32:53 [sbp]

cool

21:33:09 [sbp]

rude negators are great (the fuck they are!)

21:34:24 [AaronSw]

sbp, know of any more links to point at semplesh?

21:34:34 [Morbus]

heh, heh.

21:35:16 [sbp]

Hmm... don't think so

21:35:22 [sbp]

.google link:plexdev.org

21:35:23 [xena]

link:plexdev.org: http://www.langreiter.com/&e=922

21:37:44 [AaronSw]

cuz tav's bugging me about the momu

21:38:26 [Morbus]

why?

21:38:27 [sbp]

how so?

21:38:44 [AaronSw]

it says plexnow.com is supposed to have that intermediate page

21:38:48 [sbp]

.google MoMU

21:38:49 [xena]

MoMU: http://www.nerc-bas.ac.uk/public/icd/momu.html

21:39:12 [sbp]

hasn't it?

21:39:25 [AaronSw]

visited plexnow.com lately?

21:39:42 [sbp]

I'm eating chips!

21:40:13 [Morbus]

ketchup chips?

21:40:15 [sbp]

oh, it redirects

21:40:19 [Morbus]

i mention ketchup chips in my article

21:40:23 [sbp]

nah - just chips and salt

21:42:04 [sbp]

you probably should get that intermediate page up :-) I don't think that there are any more links that need to be changed

21:42:38 [AaronSw]

I'm putting it up now

21:43:50 [sbp]

ooh: http://semplesh.net/

21:45:28 [sbp]

* sbp forwards junk to Morbus

21:46:16 [Morbus]

hmm?

21:46:20 [Morbus]

* Morbus checks mail.

21:46:23 [Morbus]

^M

21:47:46 [Morbus]

heh, heh. oh man.

21:48:02 [Morbus]

[deleted at the request of sbp] - AaronSw

21:48:03 [xena]

no results found.

21:48:09 [Morbus]

.google ugsocial uk

21:48:09 [xena]

ugsocial uk: http://www.cogs.susx.ac.uk/local/support/help/email.html

21:48:40 [sbp]

you could have done that on #sbp, y'know...

21:48:51 [Morbus]

...

21:48:56 [Morbus]

yeah, you know, that would have been smarter.

21:49:04 [Morbus]

AaarrrooonSwww!

21:49:11 [Morbus]

i need me a doctor.

21:49:15 [sbp]

Time for Dr. Log!

21:49:20 [sbp]

the Log Doctorer

21:49:46 [AaronSw]

hm?

21:50:24 [AaronSw]

i don't doctor logs, unless somebody leaves their password here

21:50:26 [AaronSw]

*cough*

21:50:33 [sbp]

gadzooks!

21:50:41 [sbp]

oops

21:50:46 [AaronSw]

or when i say something stupid

21:50:52 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw deletes previous line from logs

21:51:23 [sbp]

hey, I just dropped a password

21:51:37 [sbp]

what more do you want? do I have to drop another?

21:51:54 [AaronSw]

If gadzooks is your password, then it deserves to be in the logs.

21:52:00 [sbp]

lol

21:52:27 [AaronSw]

I think that's my new policy: If you're stupid enough to say your password on a channel with xena in it, then it deserves to go on the internet.

21:52:45 [AaronSw]

[ Everyone does know that xena has a r00tmybox module, right?

21:52:46 [AaronSw]

]

21:52:58 [sbp]

* sbp tries to think of sensitive Aaron-things that can go in the logs

21:53:19 [sbp]

heh. but if I do that, he'll only retaliate

21:53:28 [Morbus]

re: gadzooks is your password: lol.

21:53:44 [AaronSw]

sbp, i got way more on you, brother

21:53:46 [sbp]

yeah... actually, I would appreciate if that were editied out, at least

21:53:55 [Morbus]

i have some dirt on AaronSw.

21:54:00 [Morbus]

but i'm not gonna use it to help sbp <G>

21:54:03 [sbp]

* sbp doesn't particularly want to have to go around editing passwords

21:54:09 [AaronSw]

what do you have on me, Morbus?

21:54:20 [AaronSw]

sbp, are you serious?

21:54:20 [Morbus]

oh yeah, that's gonna work <G>

21:54:29 [sbp]

uh huh

21:54:38 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw logs into sbp's server and starts archiving his website

21:54:44 [AaronSw]

Heh, he wasn't serious

21:54:53 [sbp]

hey, I didn't say to what

21:55:04 [AaronSw]

Oh, well forget it then.

21:55:13 [AaronSw]

It has to at least get me into your bank account for me to delete it.

21:55:21 [AaronSw]

Otherwise it's not worth my time, you see?

21:56:03 [sbp]

hey, you made a promise of a delendenal nature, and I expect to see you carry it through

21:56:09 [AaronSw]

.wn delendenal

21:56:13 [AaronSw]

.webster delendenal

21:56:18 [sbp]

.wn delenda

21:56:21 [AaronSw]

.grandiloquent delendenal

21:56:29 [sbp]

.google delenda

21:56:29 [AaronSw]

.sbpbrain delendenal

21:56:30 [xena]

delenda: http://peccatte.karefil.com/Software/Purge/DelendaEng.htm

21:57:18 [sbp]

[[[

21:57:18 [sbp]

Delenda \De*len"da\, n. pl. [L., fr. delere to destroy.]

21:57:19 [sbp]

Things to be erased or blotted out.

21:57:19 [sbp]

]]]

21:57:19 [AaronSw]

i don't keep promises of a delendenal nature

21:57:45 [sbp]

<AaronSw> i don't doctor logs, unless somebody leaves their password here

21:57:59 [sbp]

written in stone! unless you doctor the logs...

21:58:01 [AaronSw]

that's a necessary condition, but not a sufficient one

22:01:27 [Morbus]

logster, where am i?

22:01:29 [Morbus]

See http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2002-03-08#T22-01-27

22:09:23 [Morbus]

* Morbus stretches.

22:09:27 [Morbus]

comic books tongith. tons of them.

22:09:36 [Morbus]

i went to a comic book show last weekend. picked up a good deal of stuff. yeah.

22:21:12 [Morbus]

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22:44:22 [GabeW]

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22:59:33 [sbp]

sbp has left #swhack

23:13:45 [AaronSw]

Ooh: http://a.wholelottanothing.org/archived.blah/3/01/2002/#826

23:17:25 [AaronSw]

The Creative Commons team rocks!

23:18:00 [AaronSw]

.time

23:18:00 [xena]

2002/03/08 23:19:27.9506 Universal

23:18:36 [AaronSw]

at-or-after midnight utc, can someone pls change the topic to "SXSW, but without the SX" - thanks

23:19:09 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw wonders if there's a lot of sx at SXSW

23:19:34 [AaronSw]

gues so: http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,34834,00.html

23:24:19 [AaronSw]

jjg on laptops at sxsw: "Bringing your laptop to the parties, however, is probably bad form."

23:24:33 [AaronSw]

reply: "Ignore Jesse's last sentance if you own a G4 Titanium Powerbook. Every party needs one or six."

23:28:48 [AaronSw]

Ooh, Lessig is going to be at SXSW

23:29:06 [AaronSw]

every party needs a lessig

23:29:31 [AaronSw]

ooh, sqBijan

23:38:24 [AaronSw]

EOW

23:42:20 [jeremiah]

hello