00:27:34 If you're interested in sponsoring a server on OPN, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml .... thanks! 00:27:46 tansaku45 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:28:42 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Singularity is coming 00:29:14 sbp, where's all that ask and collect stuff from? 00:30:38 charlienvictoria: beautiful 00:30:49 ah, the ask/collect is algae 00:32:12 yep 00:32:18 and hi there :-) 00:32:36 what do you think of this for my new homepage redesign:- 00:32:37 [[[ 00:32:37 Interests 00:32:38 Everything. Well, lots of things. I'm certainly a cross-discipline sort of person - I like to relate my various interests in music, art, literature, and technology to one another. Which isn't to say that I don't specialize - I just like to be holistic. 00:32:38 ]]] 00:32:39 ? 00:33:16 hazmat, get a better connection? 00:33:17 too snooty/arrogant-assholey, or what? 00:33:26 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Singularity is coming 00:33:48 * AaronSw gets down to the present 00:33:59 sounds good to me, sbp 00:34:24 yeah, well, no offence but you suck. Perhaps I should take it out 00:34:31 heh, heh, just kidding... 00:34:42 Homer: Lenny and Carl? They suck! 00:34:42 Heh. 00:34:58 Homer: Please don't tell Lenny and Carl I said that, because if I ever lost them as friends... 00:35:04 :-) 00:35:19 Heh, heh 00:35:24 Today I read "Surely you're *joking*, Mr. Feynman!" 00:36:27 Hmm... can't recall if I've read that or not. Probably not, actually. Was it any good? 00:36:36 it's meant to be great from what others have told m 00:36:41 I rather liked it 00:37:14 actually, perhaps I read a bit of it, but had to drop it. Dunno 00:37:33 I wonder about saying A-heh-heh-heh-heh-heh, more. 00:37:44 s/,// 00:38:34 yesterday: fuzzy. Last week: can't remember. before last year: ah, I remember it distinctly: I was a presenter on a fashionable radio station of the times. Of course, because of the ban on playing music with the word "bottom" in it, we had to broadcast from the atlantic in a floating pirate's ship... 00:39:07 Hm? 00:39:16 heh, that's gotta be one of my best quotes ever 00:40:04 Heh, heh. Sounds like just the thing to read in one of your journals. 00:40:18 for log grepping: "instance of Sean being an arse as usual and inadvertantly coming up with a bitchin' quote" 00:40:23 It'd make a good starting line for a book. 00:40:29 true 00:41:41 * sbp wonders where he scoopled the word "bitchin'" from 00:41:42 Hm, someone wants the chatlogs to display in descending chrono order, instead of seemingly random order. 00:41:53 erm... right 00:42:06 send a note back saying, "done" 00:42:15 why? 00:42:27 "i.e., latest first on the page" 00:42:27 because they are in order, aren't they? 00:42:32 oh, latest first? 00:42:39 well, they're not random, anyway 00:42:50 tell him to turn his monitor upside down 00:42:53 true, i believe they're in first-modified order 00:43:05 > Let me know if there's another way to accomplish this. 00:43:05 Yes, please turn your monitor upside-down. 00:43:12 perfect :-) 00:43:32 s/,/:/ 00:44:26 Hmm... actually, you'd better ignore my little puctuatory augmentations. I suck, at punctuating: things - properly 00:44:47 chuckle 00:45:05 we didn't say anything on 03-02? 00:45:16 ooh, only 8 results for "punctuatory" on Google 00:45:25 03-02? 00:45:34 like, today? 00:45:43 er, yesterday now 00:45:56 .tine 00:45:59 .time 00:46:00 2002/03/03 00:47:28.323 Universal 00:47:20 oops, nevermind 00:55:06 rillian (~giles@mist.thaumas.net) has joined #swhack 00:55:11 'hallo 00:55:29 hey there 00:55:48 the singularity is coming? 00:55:54 but I just got through moving 00:55:54 eh, eventually 00:56:12 AaronSw has changed the topic to: Singularity is coming. Remain calm. 00:56:39 rillian has changed the topic to: ingularity is coming. Remain calm. 00:56:47 rillian has changed the topic to: Singularity is coming. Remain calm. 00:57:04 AaronSw: whenever you set the topic, there's a control character in it 00:57:14 yeah, sorry 00:57:16 * sbp considers plonking """And don't forget the first rule of writing a homepage, which is: never use the word "fuck" on your homepage.""" at the bottom of his homepage 00:57:32 heh 00:58:18 AaronSw: something wrong with your client, or you like it that way? 00:58:30 rillian, it's a color code from my client 00:58:50 colours are evil (I'm told) 00:59:00 the imanitize the eschaton 00:59:03 who told you that? 00:59:07 they imanitize it 00:59:27 yeah, i can get around it but i usually forget 01:00:04 sbp has changed the topic to: *The* Singularity is coming. Remain calm. Women and Swhackers first. 01:00:22 if we each add a bit to the topic... 01:00:58 actually, I guess swahacking women would be first. Except xena doesn't count 01:01:03 rillian has changed the topic to: *The* Singularity is coming. Remain calm. Small, furry animals will be serialized first. 01:01:33 hey, you had your turn! and you borked it up :-) 01:02:10 Heh 01:02:13 that wasn't a turn, that was a correction 01:02:17 do try to keep up 01:02:46 correcting a correction incorrectly counts as a turn in my book 01:03:39 which will be available at all good bookstores shortly... 01:06:19 heh. too bad there aren't any of those around here :) 01:06:43 eek, really? 01:06:55 there are some ok ones 01:07:00 it's not like, say, LA 01:07:02 I'd go nuts without a good bookstore close. Not that I can get to one anyway... blargh 01:07:28 * rillian is going to Powell's in Portland in two weeks. that looks like fun 01:07:57 argh, where's that damn script thingy gone? 01:08:13 *every* time I try to find it, I waste hours 01:08:20 sbp: maybe it was mistaken for a small, furry animal and serialized? 01:08:25 bugger it! 01:08:35 heh, possibly 01:10:23 aha: http://dlp.cs.berkeley.edu:8080/cgi-bin/hchen/computesignature.pl 01:10:28 now that was a good turn-around time 01:18:05 @ http://www.xenu.net/ 01:18:13 A: http://www.xenu.net/ from AaronSw 01:18:50 A:|Church of Scientology Home Page (Information) 01:18:53 titled item A 01:19:37 A:Part of [an experiment|http://www.operatingthetan.com/google/] over who owns the google term for [scientology|http://www.xenu.net/]. 01:19:41 A::Part of [an experiment|http://www.operatingthetan.com/google/] over who owns the google term for [scientology|http://www.xenu.net/]. 01:19:43 commented item A 01:20:05 A::via [wmf|http://wmf.editthispage.com/2002/03/01] 01:20:06 commented item A 01:22:43 AaronSw: wrt to the bot and connections, my connection is solid, so i'm not sure what the problem is. 01:22:52 odd, ask #openprojects i guess. 01:23:00 i've not had any problems like that 01:23:16 sigh.. 01:23:20 * AaronSw is away: dinner 01:39:23 * AaronSw is back 01:39:31 .google annotea bookmarklets 01:39:32 annotea bookmarklets: http://www.w3.org/2001/Talks/www10-Annotea-barstow 01:40:29 apparently my logger problems were from connecting it to a server across the country ... doh :) 01:40:47 heh heh 01:42:12 rillian has quit (devlin.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 01:42:54 rillian (~giles@mist.thaumas.net) has joined #swhack 01:46:40 'Eisner's comments came as he testified before the United States Senate Commerce Committee about the potential threat that computer use has to music and movie distribution. Eisner accused the computer industry of considering piracy its new "killer app." He singled out Apple's "Rip, Mix, Burn" ad campaign of 2001 as an example of this type of behavior. 01:46:41 ' 01:47:46 'While he said some information technology companies believed in copyright protection, he singled out Apple's "Rip. Mix. Burn." ad campaign, saying the company was telling people "that they can create a theft if they buy this computer."' 01:54:31 tansaku45 (~sam@h132-228.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 01:56:22 .google haystack browser 01:56:23 haystack browser: http://genomebiology.com/2002/3/2/reports/2008 01:57:41 Wes: "I wonder whose RDF fu is more powerful: Jobs or Guha?" 02:14:30 DaveW: "I hereby decree that all RDF reified statement examples hereafter must make reference to Steve Jobs or Rob Enderle." 02:20:42 Heh! DaveW as SteveJ: "Hey Wes let me know if you have any more ideas for products. Your last idea for the Titanium was pretty good. I'm not listening to Winer anymore, the last idea he gave me the Cube, almost cost me my helicopter. Hey have you seen Larry around?" 02:21:24 lol! Vex: "Now I gotta get back to the HR video I was watching, When Users Attack!. This is part of the dot-com shutdown plan, where we get to wear riot gear and stomp on some loser customers." 02:34:10 deus_x has quit (No route to host) 02:38:45 rillian has quit ("likewise") 04:11:50 tansaku45 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:22:31 Hmm, how come my div isn't floating? 04:22:44 Sounds like a job for howcome. ;) 04:23:08 maybe you overloaded it 04:23:16 check its plimsoll line :-) 04:23:22 overloaded? 04:24:10 Heh, heh 04:24:15
isn't inline, is it? 04:24:22 no 04:25:01 odd. 04:27:06 hey aaron 04:27:10 hey jeremiah 04:27:14 stupid xmlrpc server programs are giving me hell 04:27:19 I swear if I could get the libraries working 04:27:24 I'd be so far by now 04:27:28 but they just complain and complain 04:27:34 hmm 04:27:43 yeah 04:27:44 feel free to paste errors in here 04:28:12 ok, well right now it seems that with the current code they ahve in the python standard libraries you have to do all this crap with registering each function 04:28:16 oh, and where do i get the sha libraries? 04:28:49 standard lib 04:28:57 no, not sha512 04:28:58 they aren't in there 04:29:12 it's in the crypto.py source... 04:29:18 the what? 04:29:33 >>> import sha 04:29:34 >>> sha.__file__ 04:29:34 '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/sha.so' 04:29:38 crypto.py: 04:29:42 oh 04:29:44 # Needs some SHA-512 hashing software, which isn't yet built-in to Python. 04:29:44 # Distutils: 04:29:44 deltab: wrong sha 04:29:45 # Windows: 04:29:45 import sha512 as s5 # see source code for necessary downloads 04:30:03 hmm 04:30:28 well I have sha in there, but then it trys to call sha512(ip + ':' + port) 04:30:32 and it can't do that 04:30:49 yeah, did you download ftp://ftp.philosophysw.com/pub/software/shax-py-0.9.tar.gz? 04:30:53 yes 04:30:56 and install? 04:30:56 a while back 04:30:58 yes 04:31:06 what's the error? 04:31:06 can't do what? what error? 04:31:13 hold on 04:31:17 getting other errors now 04:31:19 with my inheritance 04:31:44 "before we had to code all our bugs by hand, now we just inherit them" 04:32:04 exactly 04:32:06 this is rediculus 04:32:16 you have to have request handler classes and then another class to set it up 04:32:27 weird, span isn't allowed inside blockquote inside html strict, it seems 04:32:40 err xhtml strict 04:33:54 hmm 04:35:12 AaronSw:

04:35:22 ah, thanks 04:35:45 * AaronSw fixes the swhack weblog template 04:36:25 maybe it should use %Flow; instead of %Block; 05:00:20 redmonk (sid@ip68-2-179-170.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 05:08:13 Derrick Story on MacShowLive: http://homepage.mac.com/dstory/iMovieTheater8.html 05:10:46 Ash (~amathews@166.70.45.198) has joined #swhack 05:32:25 redmonk has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:34:33 tansaku45 (~sam@h132-228.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 05:36:48 * sbp returns from watching the first Gand Prix of the 2002 season; Melbourne 05:36:50 s/Gand/Grand/ 05:36:54 it was a pretty cool race - big crash at the start put a lot of people out, though. They probably should have red flagged it 05:37:32 excellent 5th place for Mark Webber - Minardi's first points for two years, and rather well done considering Paul Stoddart has just taken over the team 05:37:50 An all Aus celebration, that... 05:38:24 And Montoya did well; hopefully he'll be a valid threat to Schumacher, even when Ferrari get their new car 05:39:16 hi sbp 05:39:24 GP? bah! 05:39:29 WRC or die! 05:40:20 rally? er... right 05:40:39 yeah yeah 05:40:47 whiny sissy GP drivers can't even fix their own car 05:40:53 they crash and everybody stops 05:40:56 ;-) 05:41:34 I tend not to compare the different classes of motorsport in actuality, though... I've folled quite a few of them at one time or another 05:41:40 Yeah. 05:41:50 s/folled/followed/ 05:41:51 I enjoy rally quite a bit. 05:43:05 Indycar is probably the most exciting class of motorsport to watch, IMO 05:43:11 CART, rather 05:43:44 eh 05:43:46 that CART/IRL split a while ago was just odd 05:43:47 circles 05:43:51 ovals 05:43:53 BORING! 05:44:11 any sport where they're constantly adjusting things to SLOW THE CARS DOWN is lame 05:44:15 bollocks! The Michigan 500 can be better than most street circuits 05:44:28 uh huh 05:44:34 riiiiight 05:44:42 unfortunately it's not nearly as good as a rally stage 05:44:58 you must have an odd definition of "good" 05:45:20 but as I say... different disciplines 05:45:44 It'd be good to put a rally driver in an indy/F1 car though and vice versa 05:45:47 'good' meaning exciting 05:46:07 I like seeing people racing on real roads 05:46:13 I'm sure that the single seater formulae demand greater skill than those lower down the order... but I'm not sure 05:46:19 like Monaco? :-) 05:46:22 heh 05:46:28 No, real roads that vary in quality 05:46:35 have you seen some of the stages on the rally courses? heh.. 05:46:54 of course. I like the old snow-drift-for-braking technique 05:47:02 heh 05:47:04 yeah 05:47:46 heh, heh: "I'm sure [...] but I'm not sure" 05:47:51 I miss Murray... 05:47:57 or the crash-off-the-road-and-into-the-trees braking technique 05:48:12 that's just a little *too* effective 05:48:57 * sbp reckons it's a very odd that he retired - he said he didn't really want to. Hmph 05:52:30 * AaronSw tries to think of processes for collaboration for his website 05:53:56 * Ash collaborates by hacking AaronSw's site and replacing everything with porn 05:54:14 heh heh 05:58:45 i meant process of collaboration, so i could add them to the list on my website 05:58:57 ;-) 05:59:07 i've got parliamentary assistants, robert's rules and w3c process now... oh there's IETF process 06:00:00 SWAG was pretty groovy, although I wouldn't particularly like to summarize the early list discussions 06:00:47 * sbp wants to send a message to SWAG: "Thhhhat's all, folks! Show's over. Go home!" 06:01:42 Heh. 06:01:55 * AaronSw adds "Rough consensus and running code" to the top of the list 06:02:03 add running code to the very very top 06:02:18 Hmm... exactly 100 swag-dev members 06:02:25 --- Topic for #lisp is Our mantra: Good code is written code 06:02:25 --- Topic for #lisp set by Fufie at Mon Feb 25 11:59:02 06:02:33 Heh 06:02:46 THIS IS TAKING FOREVER!@$!@#%!@3 06:02:48 AUGH 06:03:32 i hate you 10Mbit networking! 06:03:42 Pardon me, just venting. 06:03:43 :) 06:03:55 copying 6gb over 10mbit takes a loooooooooooooooooong time 06:04:05 heh heh 06:04:29 heh, poor you with your mega-fast but not fast enough connection. You make me *sick* 06:04:31 :-) 06:04:35 It's telling me this will take like an hour. 06:04:47 sbp: At work I have nice 100mbit layer 4 switches 06:04:51 at home I have a lame 10mbit hub 06:05:05 Pff... 06:05:07 and backing up my 6GB home directory so I can zap this stupid linux partition is taking a loooooooooong time 06:05:15 i just want linux to be gone! 06:05:26 but I need this data, so oh well :( 06:18:18 wow, I wonder what happened to the pagerank proxy 06:30:29 I better be getting to sleep too 06:30:31 [big yawn] 06:30:49 nite all 06:30:52 * AaronSw is away: sleep 06:31:00 goodnight, aaronsw 06:32:47 c'ya 06:33:16 Gotta run 06:51:20 xena has quit ("you son of a bitch") 06:52:05 xena (xena@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 07:55:34 tav (intrigued@host213-121-126-202.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #swhack 07:56:05 tav has left #swhack 08:39:18 monokrom (mekanik100@208-58-241-110.s618.tnt1.atnnj.pa.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #swhack 09:27:19 monokrom has quit ("It ain't easy bein greasy") 10:01:27 Ash has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:01:03 tansaku45 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:19:43 BenSw has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:26:22 tansaku45 (~sam@h132-228.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 15:02:59 tansaku45 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:27:22 tansaku45 (~sam@h132-228.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 16:28:37 Heh: "Of course I'd never let my own kid (if I had one) go with me to a convention, but if you want to have your brain corrupted and your emotional stability stretched and broken...tell your parents I'll be glad to chaperone you. 16:28:39 " 16:28:50 tansaku45, do you want an IRC proxy? 16:45:15 Reagle: "We're really keen on XML, it's taking over the world..." 16:48:41 Reagle on XML-DSig: "We use URIs as a big part of our design to identify things." 16:52:05 Interesting, they're pushing the XML c18n ahead of the signature spec, because of the IETF politics 16:52:38 * AaronSw is listening to ftp://ftp.ddj.com/technetcast/mp3/tnc-0488-24.mp3 17:02:01 495 SYP users according to google. 17:06:34 * AaronSw tries to think of the best Web system for keeping track of books 17:08:22 zope is in the lead, i think 17:11:40 Heh, heh, heh, in http://gilder.com/AmericanSpectatorArticles/Lessig/Control.htm Lessig uses "Rip. Mix. Burn." as the perfect example of a good campaign 17:11:53 Contrast: media industry calling it a call to piracy 18:05:42 tansaku45 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:58:29 * sbp waves 19:03:39 @ http://www.microsoft.com/AAjust.txt 19:03:51 B: http://www.microsoft.com/AAjust.txt from sbp 19:04:06 B:|asdfdsaf - on microsoft.com 19:04:08 titled item B 19:04:37 B::also at [http://web.archive.org/web/20020303110546/http://www.microsoft.com/AAjust.txt|the Web archive] 19:04:39 commented item B 19:04:46 how'd that get there? 19:04:57 no idea! 19:05:04 how'd you find it? 19:05:16 I have my... "sources" 19:05:23 hah 19:05:26 .google aajust 19:05:27 aajust: http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~ajust 19:05:43 "1000LINK! Adult World" 19:05:49 (according to Google) 19:06:08 cool, there's aaron justison: http://www.acsc.net/klsipes/maxspage.htm 19:06:31 "in this site i guess i will have documents or something. i have no idea why you would want to look at them, but i guess you could if you needed a feeling of stupidity that bad." 19:07:40 .google AAjust.txt 19:07:40 no results found. 19:09:51 seems to have been there from July, if you trust the date... 19:12:39 .time pst 19:12:39 Mar. 3, 2002 11:14 am US/Pacific 19:17:08 Rooth4ckus (~roothacku@210.96.52.1) has joined #swhack 19:19:02 tansaku45 (~sam@h132-228.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 19:39:15 tomc (~lambda@modem-3391.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack 20:05:03 BenSw (~yoda@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 20:09:51 argh:- 20:09:57 >>> u"äöü".encode('utf-8') 20:09:57 UnicodeError: ASCII encoding error: ordinal not in range(128) 20:11:16 Hmm... that comes out crappily 20:11:22 Çæ Çѱ¹¾î 20:11:36 Korean --; 20:11:41 ü 20:11:45 that's better... 20:12:20 >>> u'Dürst'.encode('utf-8') 20:12:21 'D\xc3\xbcrst' 20:12:27 UNICODE 20:13:15 er... no, UTF 20:14:37 the Unicode code point for ü is U+00FC 20:46:01 * BenSw is away: I'm busy 20:51:29 c3,bc: which you could have figured out from http://www.w3.org/People/D%c3%bcrst/ 21:37:23 tansaku45 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:39:51 Rooth4ckus has quit () 21:59:02 tomc has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:01:52 brr, it's cold out 22:01:56 think my fingers got frostbitten 22:22:20 which I could have figured out: why do you think I chose that example? Easier to check something when there's an established example 22:25:23 Oh, Aaron, I had an idea, BTW. A GET => POST form! 22:25:34 heh! 22:26:07 for example, say the crappy page at http://example.org/validate uses POST, and validates pages using uri=blargh 22:26:45 you could set up the gettopost, so that: /gettopost?form=http://example.org/validate/?uri=blargh 22:27:00 i wonder who's hosting example.ortg 22:27:02 or something like that. Wouldn't be able to pass a form variable... 22:27:09 Hmm... good question 22:27:28 .dns example.org 22:27:28 example.org - 192.0.34.72 22:27:36 .dns 192.0.34.72 22:27:36 192.0.34.72 - www.example.com 22:27:41 it's an IANA/ICANN reserved IP 22:27:54 but what machine? 22:28:17 and why don't they use some decent HTML...? 22:34:30 * BenSw is back (gone 01:48:28) 22:38:24 wb Ben 23:00:28 tansaku45 (~sam@h132-228.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack