IRC log of swhack on 2002-03-01

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00:59:44 [bitsko]

* bitsko has some XML file scrolled halfway up the left window of my screen -- it looks like a morphing screensaver gone bad out of the corner of my eye

01:00:17 [AaronSw]

lol

01:00:24 [bitsko]

it has a very "flowing" indent for the portion displayed

01:00:36 [AaronSw]

Everyone knows xscreensaver stands for XMLscreensaver, right? ;)

01:00:41 [bitsko]

heh

01:01:21 [bitsko]

<sigh> some people just don't get URIs

01:01:35 [AaronSw]

[ahem]

01:01:43 [AaronSw]

.seen wkearney99

01:01:44 [xena]

wkearney99 seen leaving #rdfig [ ] ~ 1 day(s) 2 hr(s) 58 min(s) 25 sec(s) ago

01:01:49 [bitsko]

I've made excellent progress with Jeff Barr and Bill Kearney on admin

01:01:56 [AaronSw]

That's cool.

01:02:23 [bitsko]

but we go backwards every few steps, which is probably normal, but frustrating ;)

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01:03:04 [sbp]

like a barn dance?

01:03:22 [bitsko]

:)

01:04:40 [bitsko]

sometimes it's hard to tell where it's difficult because it's a paradigm shift and where it's difficult because the tech really is obtuse

01:05:01 [bitsko]

tech being namespaces, URIs, and of course RDF

01:05:15 [Zakim]

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01:05:20 [sbp]

Zakim!

01:05:22 [AaronSw]

zakim, where is +44?

01:05:22 [Zakim]

country code 44 is United Kingdom

01:05:26 [sbp]

duh

01:05:31 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

01:05:39 [AaronSw]

Zakim, where is 847?

01:05:40 [Zakim]

North American dialing code 1.847 is Illinois

01:05:47 [bitsko]

* bitsko got his new 40GB drive today, yippee!!!

01:05:50 [AaronSw]

woo!

01:05:51 [sbp]

* sbp watches a launch

01:06:06 [AaronSw]

Zakim, where is this launch?

01:06:06 [Zakim]

sorry, AaronSw, I do not understand your question

01:06:55 [bitsko]

so this weekend I get to reinstall RH7.2 and get rid of the slowly dying hard drive

01:07:20 [AaronSw]

Zakim has lots of cool features.

01:07:24 [AaronSw]

Zakim, please drop sbp

01:07:24 [Zakim]

sorry, AaronSw, I don't know what conference this is

01:07:27 [AaronSw]

;)

01:07:39 [AaronSw]

Zakim, are you busy?

01:07:39 [Zakim]

I'm listening on #swhack

01:07:40 [Zakim]

Idle mins: #swhack=0

01:07:48 [bitsko]

Zakim, who are you?

01:07:49 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, bitsko.

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01:07:52 [bitsko]

heh

01:07:58 [GabeW]

who does Zakim belong to?

01:08:03 [bitsko]

Zakim, what are you?

01:08:03 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, bitsko.

01:08:12 [AaronSw]

Zakim, is a W3C teleconference bridge

01:08:12 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'is a W3C teleconference bridge', AaronSw. Try /msg Zakim help

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01:08:21 [GabeW]

Zakim, are you a funky bot?

01:08:21 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, GabeW.

01:08:24 [AaronSw]

I think he's named after a bridge in Massachusetts.

01:08:32 [AaronSw]

He does cool telecon stuff.

01:08:46 [GabeW]

like SIP stuff?

01:08:52 [AaronSw]

.acronym sip

01:08:53 [xena]

sip: Savings Investment Plan, Serial Interface Protocol, Single Inline Package, Scanner Interface Processor, School Improvement Plan, SCSI Interlock Protocol, Security Improvement Process, Segment Interface Protocol, Self-Inspection Program, Separation Incentive Pay, Service Improvement Program, Session Initiation Protocol, Session Invitation Protocol (Internet conferencing, telephony), Shelter

01:08:54 [xena]

In Place, Ship In Place, Shut-In Pressure, Signal/Image Processing, Simferopol, Ukraine - Simferopol (Airport Code), Simulated Input Processor, SINCGARS Improvement Program

01:09:06 [GabeW]

Session Initiation Protocol

01:09:12 [bitsko]

so Zakim runs a conferencing bridge from IRC? that's cool

01:09:31 [AaronSw]

Yeah, he does ANI and number-to-name mappings, mutings and stuff like that

01:09:37 [GabeW]

its call control from the IETF world - a HTTP-like protocol for setting up and doing neat things with media streams

01:09:48 [AaronSw]

Neat, don't think it does anything like that.

01:09:57 [bitsko]

are we talking real telecom, or something else?

01:10:08 [GabeW]

yeah, there is some SIP-CGI interface, so you can write your answsering machine with CGI

01:10:11 [AaronSw]

Zakim, :-)

01:10:11 [Zakim]

I'm glad that smiley is there, AaronSw

01:10:28 [GabeW]

Zakim, 650

01:10:29 [Zakim]

I don't understand '650', GabeW. Try /msg Zakim help

01:10:33 [GabeW]

Zakim, what is 650

01:10:34 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'what is 650', GabeW. Try /msg Zakim help

01:10:39 [GabeW]

Zakim, where is 650

01:10:39 [Zakim]

GabeW, I do not see a party named 'where'. If you meant to ask a question you need to add '?'

01:10:43 [GabeW]

Zakim, where is 650?

01:10:44 [Zakim]

North American dialing code 1.650 is California

01:11:02 [GabeW]

Zakim, where is towson?

01:11:07 [sbp]

launch: the ESA was launching an Ariane-5. Seems to have gone well

01:11:10 [Zakim]

sorry, GabeW, I do not understand your question

01:11:18 [AaronSw]

he just does the one way

01:11:21 [GabeW]

oh

01:11:30 [GabeW]

Zakim, where is 650-592?

01:11:30 [Zakim]

sorry, GabeW, I do not understand your question

01:12:01 [AaronSw]

just knows area codes

01:12:08 [AaronSw]

area codes -> state

01:12:16 [GabeW]

Zakim, who's here?

01:12:16 [Zakim]

sorry, GabeW, I don't know what conference this is

01:12:18 [AaronSw]

oh, country codes too

01:12:29 [GabeW]

zakim, list conferences

01:12:29 [Zakim]

I see no active conferences

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01:12:48 [AaronSw]

unfortunately, i don't have access to the real zakim bridge

01:12:58 [AaronSw]

so i just pointed it at the w3c website, heh heh

01:13:30 [GabeW]

I don't understand what Zakim does

01:14:04 [AaronSw]

zakim, please announce that you're are cool

01:14:04 [Zakim]

not authorized, AaronSw

01:14:26 [AaronSw]

Gabe, he's more useful when he's connected to a telecon bridge.

01:14:35 [AaronSw]

zakim, stats

01:14:35 [Zakim]

Sorry, AaronSw, no statistics yet

01:14:40 [GabeW]

I don't understand being connected to a telecon bridge

01:14:53 [AaronSw]

do you know what a telecon is? it's british for a conference call

01:15:02 [AaronSw]

a telecon bridge is the thing that runs the conference call

01:15:09 [GabeW]

yeah, I know that

01:15:15 [GabeW]

but how does a bot interact with a telecon bridge?

01:15:36 [AaronSw]

zakim tells you who's connected, lets you mute and unmute people, knock them off, give them nicks, keep track of the agenda and the speaker's queue

01:15:40 [AaronSw]

q+ GabeW

01:15:40 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees GabeW on the speaker queue

01:15:46 [AaronSw]

a+ Explain Zakim

01:15:52 [AaronSw]

agenda+ Explain Zakim

01:15:52 [Zakim]

* Zakim notes agendum 1 added

01:16:13 [GabeW]

ah

01:16:23 [GabeW]

so not telecon in the sense of a *voice* call?

01:16:28 [AaronSw]

yes, a voice call

01:16:37 [AaronSw]

but the w3c has a tradition of supplementing voice calls with irc

01:16:44 [AaronSw]

to take notes, and raise hands, and such

01:16:45 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees GabeW, To, Take, Notes on the speaker queue

01:16:51 [AaronSw]

heh

01:16:55 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw raises hand

01:16:55 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees GabeW, To, Take, Notes, AaronSw on the speaker queue

01:16:57 [AaronSw]

q=

01:16:57 [Zakim]

AaronSw, if you meant to query the queue, please say 'q?'; if you meant to replace the queue, please say 'queue= ...'

01:17:02 [AaronSw]

queue=

01:17:03 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

01:17:05 [GabeW]

q?

01:17:06 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

01:17:11 [bitsko]

Zakim is pretty clean Perl code, if I might say so

01:17:15 [GabeW]

queue=AaronSW

01:17:15 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees AaronSW on the speaker queue

01:17:20 [GabeW]

q?

01:17:20 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees AaronSW on the speaker queue

01:17:27 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw lowers hand

01:17:27 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

01:17:44 [GabeW]

ok, so the bridge associates voice lines with the identity of the people on those voice lines?

01:17:45 [AaronSw]

bitsko, cool.

01:17:53 [AaronSw]

GabeW, Zakim does

01:17:59 [GabeW]

ahhhhh

01:18:03 [AaronSw]

it'll say 1.847.xxx.yyy has joined

01:18:04 [Morbus]

* Morbus raises hand

01:18:04 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees Morbus on the speaker queue

01:18:13 [AaronSw]

I am 1.847

01:18:17 [GabeW]

and then it opens or mutes a voice channel on the bridge appropriately

01:18:21 [AaronSw]

right

01:18:24 [GabeW]

ah

01:18:31 [GabeW]

so the bot runs the bridge, basically

01:18:33 [bitsko]

the URL in the help is not accessible to us non-W3C people :(

01:18:39 [GabeW]

yeah

01:18:39 [bitsko]

* bitsko -> dinner

01:18:40 [Morbus]

* Morbus lowers hand

01:18:40 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

01:18:46 [GabeW]

* GabeW raises hand

01:18:46 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees GabeW on the speaker queue

01:18:49 [AaronSw]

i should send them an email

01:18:51 [GabeW]

* GabeW shakes his booty

01:19:09 [GabeW]

* GabeW pontificates at the microphone

01:21:18 [AaronSw]

chair acks GabeW

01:21:18 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue

01:21:25 [AaronSw]

Zakim, mute GabeW

01:21:25 [Zakim]

sorry, AaronSw, I don't know what conference this is

01:21:40 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw emails Ralph about the URL being inacessible

01:21:41 [sbp]

Zakim, where are you?

01:21:41 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, sbp.

01:21:49 [GabeW]

go

01:22:22 [AaronSw]

Zakim, are you busy?

01:22:22 [Zakim]

I'm listening on #swhack

01:22:22 [Zakim]

Idle mins: #swhack=0

01:22:23 [sbp]

Zakim, do you understand my question man, is it hopeless and forelorn?

01:22:23 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, sbp.

01:22:35 [AaronSw]

Zakim, ;)

01:22:35 [Zakim]

I'm glad that smiley is there, AaronSw

01:23:11 [AaronSw]

zakim is built on the logger code, but he doesn't seem to know how to log

01:23:15 [AaronSw]

which is weird, since all the logging options are still there

01:23:36 [AaronSw]

as is most of the code

01:23:43 [AaronSw]

Zakim, bye

01:23:43 [Zakim]

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01:23:55 [AaronSw]

zakim, join #rdfig

01:23:56 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'join #rdfig', AaronSw. Try /msg Zakim help

01:24:20 [GabeW]

Zakim, do the funky chicken

01:24:20 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'do the funky chicken', GabeW. Try /msg Zakim help

01:25:52 [AaronSw]

agenda?

01:25:53 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees nothing on the agenda

01:25:53 [Morbus]

Zakim, close the conferance

01:25:53 [Morbus]

Zakim, end the conferance

01:25:53 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'close the conferance', Morbus. Try /msg Zakim help

01:25:53 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'end the conferance', Morbus. Try /msg Zakim help

01:25:55 [Morbus]

Zakim, end the conference

01:25:56 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'end the conference', Morbus. Try /msg Zakim help

01:26:11 [AaronSw]

agenda+ Explain Zakim

01:26:12 [Zakim]

* Zakim notes agendum 1 added

01:26:14 [AaronSw]

agenda?

01:26:14 [Zakim]

* Zakim sees 1 item on the agenda:

01:26:14 [Zakim]

* Zakim 1. Explain Zakim

01:26:28 [AaronSw]

Zakim, clear the agenda

01:26:28 [Zakim]

agenda cleared

01:26:38 [AaronSw]

Zakim, ping me in 5 minutes

01:26:38 [Zakim]

ok, AaronSw

01:28:07 [AaronSw]

we love zakim

01:28:45 [AaronSw]

gotta run

01:28:48 [AaronSw]

-AaronSw

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01:31:37 [Zakim]

AaronSw, you asked to be pinged at this time

01:31:44 [Morbus]

is Zakim python?

01:32:12 [Morbus]

whoa, that was five minuteS?

01:32:12 [Morbus]

man, my life is wasting away

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02:30:37 [AaronSw]

monokrom, perl

02:30:40 [AaronSw]

err Morbus, perl

02:31:34 [sbp]

Perl, man, *Perl*!

02:33:23 [AaronSw]

right, perl ;)

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02:37:59 [Morbus]

hmm?

02:38:03 [Morbus]

sorry. i didn't hear ya.

02:38:04 [Morbus]

what's up?

02:38:15 [wmf]

swhack!

02:38:52 [Morbus]

planethack!

02:46:29 [AaronSw]

wmf!

02:48:35 [wmf]

AaronSw!

02:48:58 [AaronSw]

wmf, LGPL?

02:49:39 [wmf]

what you say?

02:49:53 [AaronSw]

all your code are linked with us!

02:51:28 [wmf]

you have no chance to get source code, make your time?

02:52:25 [wmf]

I see Intel rediscovered the location manager

02:52:58 [AaronSw]

i guess it's the all your base are belong to freedom vs. all your adoption rates are equal to 0

02:53:01 [AaronSw]

choice

02:53:15 [wmf]

so, uh, what *are* you talking about?

02:53:26 [AaronSw]

Heh.

02:53:38 [AaronSw]

Zooko wants me to pick a license for PyChord, so I'm doing license research

02:54:03 [wmf]

ah

02:54:09 [sbp]

didn't we kinda agree to use LGPL for Plex stuff?

02:54:17 [wmf]

LGPL is good, X is better

02:54:43 [AaronSw]

I assume you mean Expat?

02:54:51 [wmf]

X11

02:55:35 [AaronSw]

It's got that funny advertising clause.

02:55:44 [wmf]

really? ok, MIT then

02:55:51 [AaronSw]

We call that Expat now.

02:56:03 [wmf]

expat is an XML parser, not a license

02:56:13 [AaronSw]

MIT is a university.

02:56:24 [AaronSw]

"Expat license.

02:56:25 [AaronSw]

This is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license, compatible with the GNU GPL. It is sometime ambiguously referred to as the MIT License."

02:56:28 [AaronSw]

-

02:56:31 [AaronSw]

- http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html

02:56:40 [wmf]

the MIT license is older than the expat license, but whatever

02:56:47 [AaronSw]

At least expat only has one license, MIT has like twenty.

02:56:57 [wmf]

you know, software is like sex. it's better when Stallman isn't involved

02:57:04 [AaronSw]

lol

02:57:27 [AaronSw]

I think tav would disagree... ;)

02:57:36 [wmf]

let's not go there

02:58:22 [AaronSw]

You're really a expat/mit/x11 booster? You disappoint me.

02:58:53 [wmf]

I used to be into the copyleft thing, but I've changed

02:59:09 [AaronSw]

It's those IBM mind-control drugs! I knew it!

02:59:20 [Morbus]

welp, i've done too much work.

02:59:25 [Morbus]

time to veg out in front of the ps2.

02:59:26 [wmf]

I'm not sure why you care about my opinion anyway

02:59:26 [Morbus]

night all.l

02:59:35 [sbp]

'night

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02:59:50 [wmf]

re IBM, hey! we're working on releasing some code. GPLed, even!

02:59:57 [AaronSw]

Oooh.

03:04:55 [AaronSw]

Hm, the LGPL seems sorta C-centric

03:06:30 [AaronSw]

and section 6 is sorta weird

03:06:52 [AaronSw]

oh, i guess part c isn't so bad

03:09:21 [AaronSw]

actually, it is rather problematic

03:09:34 [wmf]

there's always the MPL

03:09:43 [AaronSw]

that's what zooko suggested

03:09:52 [AaronSw]

it seems to have more random provisions

03:10:10 [wmf]

my only concern about the MPL is the upgrade clause

03:11:25 [AaronSw]

heh, if i use the MPL netscape can come out with new versions of my software!

03:11:42 [wmf]

yep, sort of

03:12:34 [AaronSw]

chuckle: "The Visual Display of Quantitative XML"

03:12:51 [wmf]

.google "The Visual Display of Quantitative XML"

03:12:52 [xena]

"The Visual Display of Quantitative XML": http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/02/27/visual

03:13:03 [AaronSw]

wow, google is fast

03:13:36 [AaronSw]

Hm, xena needs to stop deleting the trailing /

03:17:58 [AaronSw]

it's sort of funny you can't change the LGPL

03:18:22 [AaronSw]

it's also annoying, since i can't distribute it under LGPL - section 6

03:18:22 [tansaku23]

who says you can't change it?

03:18:30 [AaronSw]

The FSF

03:18:39 [AaronSw]

"""

03:18:43 [AaronSw]

Copyright (C) 1991, 1999 Free Software Foundation, Inc.

03:18:45 [AaronSw]

59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA

03:18:45 [AaronSw]

Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies

03:18:46 [AaronSw]

of this license document, but changing it is not allowed.

03:18:46 [AaronSw]

"""

03:18:52 [tansaku23]

and you listen to them? live a little - change things - see what happens

03:19:00 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

03:19:14 [tansaku23]

what about if I create a meta-document and put that one inside

03:19:14 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw puts modified versions on Napster

03:19:26 [wmf]

AaronSw: what did I tell you about Stallman?

03:19:37 [AaronSw]

not to have sex with him?

03:19:42 [tansaku23]

when does it stop being their original document and start being your document that has a little bit of their stuff in

03:19:47 [tansaku23]

lol

03:19:58 [wmf]

well that, but also to keep him out of your software

03:20:14 [tansaku23]

you just need to modify the license but then call is the ALLGPL

03:20:15 [AaronSw]

don't worry, i couldn't get a license for that

03:20:24 [AaronSw]

(to wmf)

03:20:24 [tansaku23]

ASLGPL I mean

03:20:47 [tansaku23]

I think they just don't want you changing what LGPL means

03:21:10 [AaronSw]

and it'd make the code sorta bloated too. "Why is your program so big?" "Well, we had to include a copy of stallman with it."

03:21:21 [tansaku23]

heh

03:21:36 [tansaku23]

it could work with the right compression utility

03:21:54 [AaronSw]

I suppose, certainly the sentient-life-form mime type leaves a lot of room for compression

03:22:40 [monokrom]

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03:22:41 [AaronSw]

see RFC 1437

03:23:49 [sbp]

it'd be neat - you could have a copy of yourself on DVD

03:24:03 [sbp]

although after what happened to that poor rat...

03:24:07 [AaronSw]

and you could lose weight at the same time

03:24:13 [sbp]

heh, heh

03:24:32 [AaronSw]

"I lost 400 pounds on the LZW compression diet!"

03:24:57 [sbp]

"Unfortunately, I only weighed 300 pounds to start with..."

03:25:32 [sbp]

who said that computers never foget to carry the one?

03:26:29 [AaronSw]

wow, the Python license has a persistent Handle URN, but the handle resolution server is down.

03:26:58 [sbp]

heh. URN "persistence" strikes again

03:27:00 [AaronSw]

oh, it's back up now

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03:28:47 [AaronSw]

python has an insane license

03:30:53 [hazmat]

what is tav's real name?

03:31:04 [AaronSw]

i don't know if i can say

03:31:24 [wmf]

just do a whois on any of his domains

03:31:34 [hazmat]

good idea

03:31:44 [AaronSw]

i don't think that works

03:31:49 [AaronSw]

it doesn't

03:31:53 [wmf]

AaronSw has obviously been brainwashed by the esp empire

03:32:06 [AaronSw]

Administrative Contact:

03:32:06 [AaronSw]

Tav _ tav@espnow.com

03:32:07 [AaronSw]

ESP Worldwide Ltd

03:32:14 [wmf]

ah, he changed it

03:32:16 [AaronSw]

Tav _ is not his real name, I can tell you that.

03:32:38 [AaronSw]

ah, his real name is here: http://cge.espra.net/?page=news

03:33:09 [AaronSw]

altho i've already pissed tav off enough, so i'm not sure what the harm in saying it is

03:33:23 [wmf]

I was about to point to that

03:34:07 [AaronSw]

he's done a pretty good job of erasing his name from the web though

03:34:09 [hazmat]

:) , ok, he's playing footloose on zope3-dev with his name, just curious if i should call him out, but i think i won't.

03:34:16 [AaronSw]

Heh, heh

03:34:29 [AaronSw]

he gave his name at this zope meeting: http://www.portalux.com/nnl/documents/zope-meeting/list

03:34:34 [wmf]

I'm not sure what his thing is about his name

03:34:56 [AaronSw]

i don't think you want to know

03:35:34 [wmf]

statute of limitations hasn't expired yet? :-)

03:35:49 [AaronSw]

heh, heh

03:36:25 [hazmat]

its pretty hard to erase your name if you particpate much in open source dev.

03:36:31 [AaronSw]

why's that?

03:36:56 [AaronSw]

whoo, it's march on zope.org and you know what that means...

03:36:58 [AaronSw]

mailman emails!

03:37:01 [hazmat]

:)

03:37:04 [wmf]

heh

03:37:26 [AaronSw]

i don't see any messages from tav in http://lists.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2002-February/thread.html

03:37:36 [hazmat]

the irc channel

03:37:41 [AaronSw]

ah

03:39:56 [AaronSw]

whoa, guido is on irc!

03:40:03 [AaronSw]

that makes two famous people on OPN

03:40:46 [hazmat]

yah, it was cool, when guido showed up yesterday. i got an email from him yesterday regarding a question i asked on irc.

03:40:49 [hazmat]

* hazmat blushes

03:40:51 [hazmat]

;)

03:40:59 [AaronSw]

Heh.

03:41:31 [AaronSw]

i want to see some guido dancing videos

03:41:47 [wmf]

I think the SAML developers need a swattack

03:42:07 [AaronSw]

.acronym saml

03:42:08 [xena]

saml: Security Assertions Markup Language (Oasis), Send And Mail, Standard Army Management Language

03:42:40 [hazmat]

any recommendations on trust metric algorithms?

03:42:51 [wmf]

how many are there?

03:42:58 [AaronSw]

all i know of is pymetric

03:43:06 [AaronSw]

(i.e. advogato/ford-faulkerson)

03:44:12 [hazmat]

i looked at pymmetry, buts it not very scalable as an implementation i'm not sure if i like the algorithm either... there are lots of papers on trust metrics / collaborative filtering.

03:44:35 [AaronSw]

What's it for?

03:45:58 [hazmat]

a good implementation could be used for lots of things

03:46:01 [wmf]

SATN is on a roll these days

03:46:11 [hazmat]

product recommendations on the python-repository

03:46:15 [AaronSw]

ah

03:46:18 [hazmat]

ecommerce recommendations ala amazon

03:46:32 [AaronSw]

i'm going to need a trust metric soon

03:46:33 [tav]

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03:46:37 [AaronSw]

mwahaha!

03:46:38 [hazmat]

selection of moderators

03:46:43 [hazmat]

in a community system.

03:46:45 [wmf]

hey tav

03:46:48 [AaronSw]

who needs moderator when you have a trust metric?

03:46:59 [tav]

hmz, would appreciate it if you wouldn't put my name anywhere. /me watches as wmf blogs it

03:47:06 [hazmat]

well moderators is a bad word, more adminstrator

03:47:07 [AaronSw]

wow, he's fast

03:47:25 [wmf]

ok

03:47:29 [hazmat]

ok

03:47:35 [AaronSw]

aargh, entourage has gone bonkers

03:47:39 [tav]

thanks

03:47:51 [AaronSw]

tav, who tipped you off?

03:48:00 [tav]

you appearing in #zope3-dev ;p

03:48:05 [wmf]

no, I mean ok, I blogged it :-)

03:48:14 [tav]

do'h!

03:48:16 [AaronSw]

heh!

03:48:35 [hazmat]

;)

03:48:55 [AaronSw]

.google tav's real name

03:48:57 [xena]

tav's real name: http://www.zombienation.force9.co.uk/us/wedding.html

03:49:13 [tav]

fuck

03:49:15 [AaronSw]

AaronSw has changed the topic to: We know tav's real name

03:49:16 [tav]

swhack logs

03:49:30 [AaronSw]

i didn't actually paste it in

03:49:37 [AaronSw]

i don't think...

03:49:43 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw greps for Ain Al-Milkeen

03:49:46 [AaronSw]

oops, sorry tav

03:49:55 [tav]

lol

03:50:04 [AaronSw]

wow, you have weddimg pics online?

03:50:24 [tav]

hmz, actually as long as that page is modified, then google shouldn't find it

03:50:39 [AaronSw]

what page?

03:50:47 [tav]

cge.espra

03:50:56 [AaronSw]

right

03:51:02 [tav]

please don't web archive cge.espra either ;p

03:51:11 [wmf]

hmm, Steve didn't sign the letter from the computer industry to the media industry

03:51:11 [sbp]

heh, cool. Hi tav

03:51:12 [AaronSw]

ha! you read my mind

03:51:14 [AaronSw]

too late

03:51:22 [wmf]

tav, you're just making it worse

03:51:33 [AaronSw]

actually, it was archived before

03:51:49 [AaronSw]

oh, maybe it wasn't

03:51:54 [tav]

heh

03:52:08 [tav]

i can ask web archive to remove pages can't i?

03:52:12 [AaronSw]

i guess tav hasn't learned anything from scientology

03:52:26 [AaronSw]

tav, yeah, but that'd be bookburning

03:52:46 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw anonymously uploads 2s2der2ee2ew25erwrkothhyjtyu56y89yrt/tavsName to freenet

03:53:36 [hazmat]

tav how long you been nameless?

03:53:51 [tav]

i have a name...

03:53:53 [tav]

tav ;p

03:54:02 [hazmat]

* hazmat felt that one coming

03:54:18 [AaronSw]

aw, wes took it off

03:54:45 [wmf]

I just wanted to mess with tav's mind a bit

03:55:15 [tav]

you blogged it!?!?

03:55:15 [hazmat]

whats powering cge.espra ? apache+?

03:55:24 [AaronSw]

didn't you know that all HTP posts get archived to a mega-persistent source?

03:55:46 [wmf]

tav: didn't you look?

03:56:00 [tav]

urgh, it's in all those radio...

03:56:01 [tav]

gah

03:56:08 [AaronSw]

Heh

03:56:26 [wmf]

to clarify, I didn't blog your true name, just you saying not to blog it

03:56:26 [AaronSw]

I was actually thinking of my email archive, but radio feeds are good too.

03:56:36 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw emails tav's name to the cypherpunks

03:56:39 [tav]

ah, thank you

03:56:44 [AaronSw]

any time

03:56:55 [tav]

hazmat: yea

03:57:04 [tav]

it's apache+php

03:57:09 [hazmat]

ic

03:57:16 [wmf]

that reminds me: I should read my copy of True Names that's around here somewhere

03:57:26 [AaronSw]

it's good

03:57:26 [tav]

you bought a copy?

03:57:32 [wmf]

yeah

03:57:37 [AaronSw]

I bought the new edition.

03:57:39 [tav]

did you warez it with us?

03:57:43 [tav]

didn't either

03:57:46 [AaronSw]

It's on mojo nation

03:57:51 [AaronSw]

well, it was

03:58:11 [wmf]

I read it on MN, but I also bought a copy to support Vernor Vinge

03:58:28 [AaronSw]

i bought it because i ordered it 5 years ago, before i knew about mojo nation

03:58:32 [wmf]

(hopefully he gets more than 10 cents from it...)

03:58:47 [tav]

send him the money directly?

03:59:02 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw uploads tav's name to USENET

04:00:03 [hazmat]

* hazmat contemplates a name change...

04:02:31 [tav]

heh

04:02:35 [hazmat]

hazmat is now known as haz_busy

04:02:40 [tav]

ok, deleted from cge

04:03:31 [AaronSw]

ok, for posterity, the name is FNORD FNORD

04:03:44 [tav]

damn you!

04:03:52 [sbp]

well, here's the hash of the name: 5bd05b4d8e7e29062d4332cbf0a2c57c2b5ea06cf943553a9d6d15584765d57a91001f74e8eb09dd899fb9a93f938a32f46d4fee41b70bba34819094b83e2679

04:04:00 [wmf]

heh

04:04:10 [sbp]

in standard Plex hash terms...

04:04:25 [wmf]

* wmf starts a brute force search to determine the name

04:04:30 [AaronSw]

hm, i don't get that when i hash it

04:04:30 [sbp]

and the command line: $ python -c "import sha512; print sha512.new('Ain Al-Milkeen').hexdigest()"

04:04:48 [tav]

alltheweb is actually pretty good in this regard

04:04:51 [AaronSw]

oh, that's not his real name, heh

04:04:57 [sbp]

really? argh

04:04:59 [sbp]

:-)

04:05:00 [AaronSw]

real name: 110a99187cbaa63e543a9f78884d5eecf979a1440ac5236ee38cdd73ead4609db2888a186545c5bee184fd25ea60d6de96661e8e2efacae3e0981a04a801a4e4

04:05:06 [tav]

it almost linked two of my names perfectly

04:05:07 [AaronSw]

using capital letters

04:05:18 [AaronSw]

tav, what query?

04:05:20 [sbp]

two of your names? how many do you have?!

04:05:49 [AaronSw]

now you just need to fix http://www.portalux.com/nnl/documents/zope-meeting/list and that other page

04:06:04 [AaronSw]

"fix"

04:06:07 [tav]

yea

04:06:22 [tav]

oh, and get rid of a few people

04:06:23 [tav]

;p

04:06:37 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw /msgs all the plex developers

04:07:17 [wmf]

the whois is what busted you

04:07:27 [AaronSw]

but he fixed that

04:07:37 [AaronSw]

alltheweb: yeah, choric set that up for me ;)

04:07:41 [wmf]

yeah, but not before I got to it, so now I know

04:07:57 [tav]

yea, i was careless in the past

04:08:26 [wmf]

you're not as good as zooko. I had no idea his true name was Anna Rosenbaum!

04:08:35 [AaronSw]

heh

04:08:45 [tav]

i was kinda dissapointed at zooko. he put it on his bloody frontpage!

04:09:06 [haz_busy]

perhaps because he realized the futility of hiding it

04:09:07 [tav]

there was also the matter of his old pgp key

04:09:26 [tav]

haz_busy: point.

04:10:28 [tav]

the particular name in question is one that i don't mind being known. i just want to make it relatively hard for people to find it

04:10:47 [AaronSw]

re zooko http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.98.12.21-98.12.27/msg00021.html

04:10:49 [haz_busy]

ic

04:11:09 [tav]

yea, have read that

04:13:05 [tav]

who came up with Ain Al-Milkeen ?

04:13:14 [AaronSw]

i did

04:13:23 [tav]

i like it ;p

04:13:35 [AaronSw]

it's your anna rosenbaum

04:13:39 [sbp]

heh, heh

04:14:20 [sbp]

* sbp will call him Ain from now on

04:14:33 [sbp]

or Mr. Al-Milkeen, to be polite

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04:14:46 [wmf]

maybe I'll call him Ayn, just for extra annoyance :-)

04:14:53 [AaronSw]

Heh!

04:15:02 [AaronSw]

tav is zooko's illegitamate child!

04:15:08 [AaronSw]

sold on the capitalist slave market

04:16:08 [intrigued]

intrigued is now known as tav_

04:16:12 [tav_]

heh

04:16:31 [sbp]

:-)

04:18:50 [sbp]

therefore, his real original name was probably Henry M. Zooko

04:20:06 [tav]

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04:23:01 [tav]

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04:23:05 [tav]

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04:23:55 [sbp]

so, tav, now we've established that your real name is either Ain or Henry, why "tav"?

04:25:19 [tav_]

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04:25:38 [sbp]

"How many tav's can you fit in a #swhack?"

04:27:23 [tav_]

why tav?

04:27:40 [tav_]

well, i was surfing ****** one day, and saw http://coma.tky.hut.fi/~qa6/homo.php?name=tav

04:28:05 [tav_]

and there was just something about that statement... and i knew that from then on, i was tav

04:28:08 [tav]

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04:28:26 [sbp]

lol!!!

04:28:32 [sbp]

that's absolutely brilliant

04:29:43 [wmf]

http://coma.tky.hut.fi/~qa6/homo.php?name=Ain

04:29:54 [sbp]

just because it's as believable a story as the Ain/Henry routes :-)

04:30:19 [tav_]

wmf: you don't want my mother to come bitch slap you do you?

04:30:43 [wmf]

bring it on!

04:30:58 [tav_]

you asked for it!

04:31:02 [tav_]

* tav_ runs to mommy

04:31:36 [AaronSw]

Weird. Greenspun is an Objectivist?

04:32:05 [wmf]

not that I know of. Alan Greenspan is a hardcore Randite, though

04:32:19 [AaronSw]

what's the difference?

04:32:31 [wmf]

between what?

04:32:34 [tav_]

phil... alan...

04:32:38 [AaronSw]

Objectivists and Randites?

04:33:25 [wmf]

nothing, although I have to wonder if Ayn-Rand-worship contradicts some tenets of objectivism

04:33:58 [AaronSw]

maybe it's only rational

04:34:07 [tav_]

what's the difference between espianism and tavism?

04:34:19 [sbp]

one's spelled with an "e"

04:34:21 [tav_]

;p

04:34:36 [AaronSw]

I don't think you want me to answer that.

04:37:17 [tav_]

heh

04:37:50 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw wanders off to the land of work

04:37:58 [wmf]

work?

04:38:07 [tav_]

laters

04:38:09 [tav_]

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05:18:15 [AaronSw]

work: well not economic activity

05:23:45 [haz_busy]

how bout ergonomic ;)

05:24:34 [AaronSw]

heh, probably wasn't that either

05:26:00 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.oreillynet.com/weblogs/morbus/

05:26:02 [chumpster]

A: http://www.oreillynet.com/weblogs/morbus/ from AaronSw

05:26:25 [AaronSw]

A:|O'Reilly Network Weblogs: Morbus (Kevin Hemenway)

05:26:26 [chumpster]

titled item A

05:30:23 [AaronSw]

@ http://toolbar.google.com/dc/

05:30:26 [chumpster]

B: Google Compute from AaronSw

05:32:15 [AaronSw]

B::via [Morbus|http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/1170]

05:32:16 [chumpster]

commented item B

05:32:17 [haz_busy]

are any of you folks entering the google contest ?

05:34:16 [AaronSw]

i can't think of anything cool to do

05:34:53 [AaronSw]

that meets their criteria

05:35:49 [AaronSw]

B::"The Google search engine uses more than 10,000 networked computers to deliver results to millions of users worldwide, making it one of the largest distributed computing systems in existence. In addition to providing leading search technology, we are also interested in solving other important computationally intense problems. While we're not experts on protein folding, we do know quite a bit about using networked computers to solve difficult problems involvi

05:35:49 [AaronSw]

"

05:35:49 [chumpster]

commented item B

05:36:50 [AaronSw]

B::<Duncan> actually all it does is download the folding@home command line client

05:36:52 [chumpster]

commented item B

05:37:23 [AaronSw]

B::<Duncan> Google is another "we get your cycles *cackle*" type things

05:37:24 [chumpster]

commented item B

05:38:12 [chumpster]

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05:39:48 [sbp]

Gotta run

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05:40:19 [AaronSw]

B::BTW, folding@home has a [Mac client (among other OSes) out|http://folding.stanford.edu/download.html]

05:40:20 [chumpster]

commented item B

05:40:27 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw wonders why OS X is so sluggish today

05:42:44 [AaronSw]

Hmm, zakim is chewing up CPU

05:43:24 [AaronSw]

as is sputnix

05:54:54 [AaronSw]

Hmm, IE5/Mac is way slower than its windows counterpart

06:05:13 [AaronSw]

Big Media Sez: "erily intelligent Dan Kaminsky (www.doxpara.com) and the twitchy Bram Cohen"

06:08:33 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is away: sleep

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09:39:49 [hazmat]

hazmat has changed the topic to: We know tav's real name!

09:40:01 [hazmat]

interesting..

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14:30:52 [AaronSw]

.email me@aaronsw.com read: joel on UI // 2002-02

14:30:53 [xena]

email successfully sent.

14:33:09 [AaronSw]

.email me@aaronsw.com read: the fountainhead // 2002-02-03

14:33:09 [xena]

email successfully sent.

14:33:34 [Morbus]

morning AaronSw.

14:33:38 [AaronSw]

.email me@aaronsw.com read: ender's shadow // 2002-02-09

14:33:38 [xena]

email successfully sent.

14:33:40 [AaronSw]

morning

14:33:41 [Morbus]

hey, youknow how you got super good news the other day?

14:33:47 [Morbus]

and you couldn't tell me about it?

14:33:52 [AaronSw]

yeah

14:33:52 [Morbus]

yeah, i got some of that yesterday too :)

14:33:56 [AaronSw]

heh

14:34:04 [AaronSw]

from a different place, i assume :)

14:34:08 [Morbus]

on a side note, check out pandocalendar (as per the email). i love it.

14:34:16 [Morbus]

depends. what was your place? ;)

14:34:23 [AaronSw]

link to pandocalendar?

14:35:44 [AaronSw]

.email me@aaronsw.com read: earthweb // 2002-02-16

14:35:45 [xena]

email successfully sent.

14:42:30 [Morbus]

.email me@aaronsw.com download pandocalendar@pandacorner.com

14:42:30 [xena]

email successfully sent.

14:43:31 [AaronSw]

i already have entourage :)

14:43:48 [AaronSw]

aw, it has such a cute icon

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14:46:46 [AaronSw]

logster, off

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15:14:12 [zahn.openprojects.net]

topic is: We know tav's real name!

15:14:12 [zahn.openprojects.net]

Users on #swhack: logster Morbus wendy deltab hazmat chumpster jeremiah BenSw xena sbp AaronSw deus_x

15:14:20 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> doesn't it :)

15:14:20 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> its a really good program.

15:14:20 [AaronSw]

<Morbus> out of all the TODO apps that I've tried, this one, being NOT a todo app, did good for me. recurring schedules, etc.

15:14:33 [AaronSw]

that was the only relevant bit

15:14:39 [Morbus]

heh, heh :)

15:14:42 [Morbus]

sans uberdude.

15:14:58 [AaronSw]

l33tman

15:15:11 [Morbus]

haxorjo.

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15:18:10 [AaronSw]

he needs to upgrade

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15:18:49 [AaronSw]

deus_x, you should upgrade - 1.0.3

15:18:51 [AaronSw]

is out

15:19:13 [deus_x]

Hmm, really? Heh, I haven't even been paying attention

15:19:29 [AaronSw]

apt-get upgrade ;)

15:21:07 [deus_x]

Heh, whoa, I'm actually running 1.0.1

15:21:18 [AaronSw]

hmm, why's it say ("Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 0.99.0")?

15:21:43 [deus_x]

Hmm... maybe I didn't actually upgrade when I thought I upgraded. I'm all out of sorts over here

15:24:51 [AaronSw]

wow, lots of apt-get upgrades -- woody must be getting close

15:25:04 [Morbus]

woody?

15:25:10 [AaronSw]

the new version of debian

15:27:48 [deus_x]

* deus_x feels left out over here on OS X :)

15:27:55 [deus_x]

though Fink *does* use apt-get

15:28:00 [AaronSw]

yeah, fink rocks

15:28:11 [AaronSw]

aliased fink to sudo apt-get on my debian system ;)

15:28:19 [deus_x]

I have to pay more attention to it and how to make it update things.

15:28:42 [AaronSw]

fink update-all will update all your fink packages

15:29:21 [deus_x]

D'oh. Now why won't something like that stay in my head?

15:29:34 [Morbus]

left out?!

15:29:36 [Morbus]

never!

15:29:37 [Morbus]

<G>

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15:34:10 [deus_x]

I know I should just look at the docs, but wasn't there a fink self-update too?

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15:37:37 [deus_x]

There we go, a fresh upgrade of dircproxy

15:37:39 [deus_x]

(I think)

15:37:43 [AaronSw]

heh

15:37:53 [AaronSw]

yeah, there's a fink selfupdate, which gets fink a new list of packages

15:38:26 [deus_x]

Ooh, I think I need to do that, since my fink update-all is gagging on unfound things.

15:39:18 [deus_x]

Whoa.. heh, lookit all the updates.

15:39:32 [dogcow]

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15:39:40 [dogcow]

g'morning

15:40:28 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw is away: school

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16:56:36 [LFCUser]

* LFCUser waves (it's AaronSw)

16:56:46 [Morbus]

i'm telling the teaaacher!

16:56:56 [LFCUser]

heh heh

16:57:25 [LFCUser]

it's funny--the print server here is the same model as vorpal

16:58:48 [LFCUser]

oh man - Brent's leaving UserLand?

16:59:31 [Morbus]

he is?

16:59:39 [Morbus]

i haven't read the news for like a week.

16:59:42 [Morbus]

i'm so flipping behind.

16:59:54 [dogcow]

brent is leaving userland?

16:59:57 [dogcow]

wow, cool

17:00:07 [Morbus]

where'd he annouce that?

17:00:10 [LFCUser]

scripting.com

17:00:13 [LFCUser]

that sucks...

17:00:14 [dogcow]

Morbus: Well, dwiner announced

17:00:15 [dogcow]

it

17:00:25 [dogcow]

check it out, no more bugfixes for radio

17:00:44 [dogcow]

he was the only non-ass-speaking staffer at userland

17:00:49 [dogcow]

at least, the only one i knew of

17:01:26 [dogcow]

I suspect that IRL dwiner talks like Jim Carrey on 'Ace Ventura: Pet Detective'

17:01:27 [dogcow]

*g*

17:02:24 [LFCUser]

Hm, well i should probably go read a book.

17:02:29 [LFCUser]

Using Windows XP is making me sick.

17:02:46 [LFCUser]

or nauseated, or shocking or whatever

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17:45:39 [sbp]

dogcow? in #swhack?!

17:46:09 [dogcow]

sbp: I've been over here before!

17:46:22 [sbp]

can we get a moof out of you?

17:46:30 [dogcow]

* dogcow moofs

17:46:34 [sbp]

hooray!

17:47:04 [sbp]

Swhack is now a richer place. I thank you, dc :-)

17:48:16 [sbp]

.google site:blogspace.com dogcow

17:48:17 [xena]

no results found.

17:48:21 [sbp]

Hmm...

17:54:18 [dogcow]

haha

17:56:53 [sbp]

under an alternate nick, I guess?

17:57:39 [sbp]

anyway...

17:57:41 [sbp]

Gotta run

17:57:52 [dogcow]

No, i'm not on blogspace

18:17:41 [Morbus]

whee, comic show this weekend.

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19:08:19 [hazmat]

hey, i need some help with setting up xena/creature bot. how do you get the weblogs from the irc channel?

19:10:15 [AaronSw]

hey hazmat, you need to enable the weblog module

19:10:32 [hazmat]

yes, and also how do you start it :)

19:10:55 [AaronSw]

./start isn't in cvs?

19:11:15 [hazmat]

i don't see one, from the tarball i downloaded from cvs.

19:11:34 [AaronSw]

well, it's pretty simple: python2.1 base/creature.py

19:12:19 [hazmat]

ic, thanks

19:13:05 [hazmat]

where does it stick the log files?

19:13:24 [AaronSw]

in logs/

19:18:30 [hazmat]

hmm.. i configured what network and what channels to connect to and a nick, it connects to the network (opn) and hangs after the greeting, any ideas on what i'm missing?

19:18:54 [AaronSw]

what greeting?

19:18:58 [AaronSw]

does it hang at "checking ident"?

19:19:24 [hazmat]

full greeting after checking ident

19:19:35 [AaronSw]

what's its nick?

19:19:41 [hazmat]

blackhole

19:19:48 [hazmat]

.seen blackhole

19:19:48 [xena]

hazmat: no match found: blackhole

19:19:48 [AaronSw]

i see it

19:20:03 [AaronSw]

<AaronSw> join #swhack

19:20:03 [AaronSw]

<blackhole> Notice: unauthorized: not registered

19:20:19 [hazmat]

ic it on the terminal

19:20:33 [AaronSw]

but it doesn't join the channels in conf/modules/autojoin?

19:21:02 [hazmat]

nope.

19:21:42 [AaronSw]

and autojoin.py is in the modules directory, right?

19:21:51 [hazmat]

yes

19:22:16 [hazmat]

autojoin is there and specified in base.addon_modules

19:24:37 [AaronSw]

weird

19:24:40 [AaronSw]

no errors?

19:24:42 [hazmat]

none

19:26:40 [AaronSw]

and the key in the autojoin dictionary is the same as the network name, right?

19:26:53 [hazmat]

yes, both 'opn'

19:27:05 [hazmat]

alot of the directories don't have __init__.py though

19:27:27 [AaronSw]

oh? which ones?

19:27:39 [hazmat]

everyone actually.

19:28:10 [AaronSw]

that sounds like a bug

19:28:31 [AaronSw]

are you on windows?

19:28:38 [hazmat]

linux

19:29:06 [AaronSw]

like, no __init__.py in /contrib or /modules?

19:29:23 [hazmat]

nope, i added one to every directory just a moment, ago and am retrying.

19:29:40 [AaronSw]

well, there's actual stuff in them

19:29:51 [hazmat]

what was wierd was that it started up, with no error messages.

19:30:38 [AaronSw]

that's sort of strange

19:30:49 [AaronSw]

maybe you need DEBUG=1

19:31:42 [hazmat]

i added that in, no changes.

19:31:57 [hazmat]

i guess i should go find chumpster

19:32:25 [AaronSw]

chumpster does weblogs, but not web logs.

19:32:37 [hazmat]

ugh..

19:32:43 [AaronSw]

if you know what i mean

19:32:48 [AaronSw]

logster does the web logs

19:33:50 [hazmat]

i do

19:34:13 [hazmat]

.xena logster bot

19:34:18 [hazmat]

doh

19:35:07 [AaronSw]

logster is in perl

19:35:20 [AaronSw]

code: http://cvs.ilrt.org/cvsweb/redland/logger/

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19:36:43 [hazmat]

AaronSw: Thank You!

19:38:10 [AaronSw]

very welcome

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20:06:47 [sbp]

* sbp returns from the "Perfect Day" Simpsons

20:06:51 [sbp]

I love that episode

20:09:17 [hazmat]

* hazmat is getting frustrated by his inability to get a bot to work.

20:09:34 [AaronSw]

what's wrong with logster?

20:10:32 [hazmat]

i'm not setting the user name properly

20:10:34 [hazmat]

2002-03-01Z21:36:06 <zahn.openprojects.net> Disconnected from zahn.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: blackhole[~-logger@255.255.255.255] (Invalid username [~-logger]))

20:10:56 [hazmat]

thats the error i get, i'm just not sure how to set the username

20:11:22 [hazmat]

i have it set in the script itself, but thats not whats showing up.

20:11:36 [hazmat]

although possibly i'm setting the wrong option

20:13:55 [AaronSw]

looks like you gave it a bad channel name

20:14:00 [AaronSw]

what's the command line you're using

20:14:21 [AaronSw]

since the username is built from the channel name

20:14:30 [AaronSw]

you need to give it a channel like irc://irc.openprojects.net/swhack

20:14:37 [AaronSw]

for this channel

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20:15:06 [blackhole]

* blackhole is logging

20:15:09 [hazmat]

ahh.. i was using /#swhack

20:15:12 [AaronSw]

ah

20:15:17 [hazmat]

cool. sweet...

20:17:09 [hazmat]

* hazmat does a little jig

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20:20:19 [blackhole]

* blackhole is logging

20:21:25 [blackhole]

blackhole has quit (Remote closed the connection)

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Morbus has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

20:23:32 [sbp]

* sbp plays about with the annotations server

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20:36:22 [Morbus]

awwww.

20:36:32 [Morbus]

the swhack blog is all about me.

20:36:42 [Morbus]

:)

20:46:47 [Morbus]

http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/1175

20:49:42 [dogcow]

woosh

20:49:56 [Morbus]

woosh?

20:50:29 [dogcow]

Woosh.

20:50:35 [dogcow]

that was me wooshing back in

20:51:31 [dogcow]

i just rode back to work from home

20:51:33 [dogcow]

ugh i'm tired

21:29:32 [Morbus]

[[[[16:28] <djc> whats the url of that site that archives everything?

21:29:32 [Morbus]

[16:28] <djc> archive.org ?

21:29:39 [Morbus]

[16:29] <Morbus> djc: that url is file://Windows/Temporary Internet Files

21:29:40 [Morbus]

]]]

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21:59:22 [AaronSw]

Man, zope has so many hacks that at times it feels like perl

21:59:25 [AaronSw]

Morbus, heh heh

22:11:25 [Morbus]

goddam, my "coding and development" bookmark folder is huge now.

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22:42:53 [sbp]

fuck, someone just spammed a whole load of people spoofing my email address

22:43:11 [AaronSw]

yuck

22:43:28 [sbp]

using an anonymous email sender, apparently

22:43:33 [deltab]

warn your isp

22:44:21 [sbp]

good idea

22:44:47 [sbp]

actually... why will I need to do that? there's no association with my IP address, since I didn't send it

22:45:40 [AaronSw]

still... isps are paranoid about spam

22:45:56 [AaronSw]

i wonder if anyone's done that with my address -- i wouldn't know since spamassassin would block the bounces

22:46:19 [sbp]

I got three bounces... I wonder how many emails that equates to, on average?

22:47:25 [AaronSw]

not many

22:48:45 [AaronSw]

I run a 300 person opt-in announcement list and get at least 30 bounces each time

22:50:56 [sbp]

so about 30, then...

22:51:05 [sbp]

* sbp tries to work out who's behind it - already has some good finds

22:51:08 [AaronSw]

@ http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/

22:51:10 [sbp]

s/finds/leads/

22:51:15 [AaronSw]

is it your arch-enemy?

22:51:16 [chumpster]

C: Photo Albums from AaronSw

22:51:27 [AaronSw]

C:|Aaron's Photo Albums

22:51:28 [chumpster]

titled item C

22:51:33 [AaronSw]

C:|Aaron Swartz's Photo Albums

22:51:35 [chumpster]

titled item C

22:53:31 [sbp]

* sbp does a DNS lookup on the IP in the email, and a WHOIS on the domain name...

22:54:21 [AaronSw]

samspade.org is good for spam tracking

22:54:23 [AaronSw]

as is spamcop.net

22:54:40 [sbp]

and - ta da - I have a name, address, phone number, email, etc. :-)

22:55:00 [AaronSw]

call their 800 number and run up their phone bill :)

22:56:55 [AaronSw]

spamcop.net will send leters to their ISP asking for them to be shut down

22:57:13 [sbp]

heh, heh

22:57:16 [sbp]

it's not 800, though

22:57:30 [sbp]

I could do the same - I have the contact address of their ISP

22:57:58 [AaronSw]

true

22:58:28 [AaronSw]

but spamcop.net adds them to all sorts of databases and notifies their upstream provider and stuff like that

23:00:09 [sbp]

excellent

23:03:06 [AaronSw]

C::Includes photos from [my trip to the UK|http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/].

23:03:08 [chumpster]

commented item C

23:04:47 [AaronSw]

C::Our flight home was cutting-edge. They [served our pizza using the brand-new Pizza Markup Language (PZML)|http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/IMG_1172.JPG/view]. I suggested to the flight attendant that RDF might be a better tool for the format, but she insisted that she needs the MSXML compatibility.

23:04:49 [chumpster]

commented item C

23:05:55 [AaronSw]

C::I thought it was cute that Toshiba [wanted us to "Choose freedom."|http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/IMG_1128.JPG/view], but I'm not sure they meant it in [the same way I do|http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html].

23:05:57 [chumpster]

commented item C

23:07:04 [AaronSw]

C::At the British Science Museum, I got to see [TimBL's original NeXT|http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/IMG_1119.JPG/view]. The tag says something like "this is a server. please do not turn off this computer!!!"

23:07:05 [chumpster]

commented item C

23:08:13 [sbp]

ooh, they *do* have toll free numbers. [chuckle]

23:08:33 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw adds "annotate http://www.aaronsw.com/photos/uk2001/" to his todo list

23:09:02 [AaronSw]

who are they?

23:11:01 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw notes EOW (end of week) coming closer

23:11:39 [sbp]

the best part is that they "[...] will not tolerate SPAM in any form"

23:11:41 [sbp]

who are they: I probably shouldn't say

23:12:13 [AaronSw]

oh, come on. why not?

23:13:01 [dogcow]

the mysterious "they"

23:13:10 [sbp]

oh wow, the more I probe, the more I find... heh, heh

23:13:46 [sbp]

well, just in case I've made a mistake somewhere - I don't want to falsely accuse anyone

23:14:23 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw looks to see if he got the spam

23:14:24 [AaronSw]

what was the subject?

23:14:53 [dogcow]

Sweet, AaronSw

23:15:03 [AaronSw]

what is?

23:15:04 [dogcow]

(the picture of Tim BL's NeXT)

23:15:10 [AaronSw]

oh, heh

23:15:15 [AaronSw]

yeah, it was pretty cool

23:15:19 [dogcow]

I love my NeXT.

23:15:20 [AaronSw]

i took like five of them

23:16:06 [AaronSw]

* AaronSw notes the 500 messages spamassasin caught

23:24:01 [AaronSw]

EOW: That's all for this week, folks. See you later.

23:25:40 [sbp]

c'ya

23:33:30 [sbp]

Hmm... this works:-

23:33:31 [sbp]

[[[

23:33:31 [sbp]

(ask '(

23:33:31 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#subject

23:33:31 [sbp]

http://example.org/#myAssertion ?ts)

23:33:31 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#predicate

23:33:32 [sbp]

http://example.org/#myAssertion ?tp)

23:33:34 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#object

23:33:36 [sbp]

http://example.org/#myAssertion ?tc)

23:33:38 [sbp]

) collect '())

23:33:40 [sbp]

]]]

23:35:03 [sbp]

Hmm... so does the more general case, which is funny because it didn't before

23:35:38 [sbp]

(ask '(

23:35:38 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#subject ?a ?ts)

23:35:38 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#predicate ?a ?tp)

23:35:38 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#object ?a ?tc)

23:35:38 [sbp]

) collect '(?a ?ts ?tp ?tc))

23:35:42 [sbp]

returns a lot of stuff

23:38:19 [sbp]

here we go:-

23:38:19 [sbp]

(ask '(

23:38:19 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#subject ?a ?ts)

23:38:19 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/0.95#testSubject ?ts ?page)

23:38:19 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/2001/03/earl/0.95#date ?ts ?date)

23:38:19 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#predicate ?a ?tp)

23:38:21 [sbp]

(http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#object ?a ?tc)

23:38:23 [sbp]

) collect '(?page ?date ?tp ?tc))