IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-28

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00:00:22 [AaronSw]
Morbus, i've got a ScriptAlias / but I want to point /icons at the icons dir, what do I do?
00:01:06 [AaronSw]
cuz i tried to do a /icons alias, but it just ignored it
00:01:57 [Morbus]
you did: Alias /icons/ "/usr/share/httpd/icons/"
00:01:58 [Morbus]
?
00:02:25 [AaronSw]
yeah
00:02:33 [AaronSw]
err, no, not exactly
00:02:40 [AaronSw]
aha, i think i see one problem
00:03:36 [AaronSw]
i've got:
00:03:38 [AaronSw]
ScriptAlias / /usr/local/viewcvs-0.9.2/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/plex/plex/
00:03:39 [AaronSw]
ScriptAlias /icons/ /usr/local/viewcvs-0.9.2/cgi/viewcvs.cgi/icons/
00:03:52 [Morbus]
don't use ScriptAlias.
00:04:00 [Morbus]
ScriptAlias, by default, are not browsable.
00:04:04 [Morbus]
just use Alias /icons/
00:04:11 [AaronSw]
but it's in a script, i'm pretty sure
00:04:30 [Morbus]
...
00:04:37 [Morbus]
is viewcvs.cgi a script or a folder?
00:04:42 [AaronSw]
a script
00:04:47 [AaronSw]
oh wait, maybe not
00:04:51 [AaronSw]
i mean, it's a script
00:04:56 [AaronSw]
but the icons aren't in it
00:05:58 [Morbus]
hmm
00:06:27 [AaronSw]
i guess they're just normal apache icons
00:06:35 [Morbus]
um. so the viewcvs.cgi script makes a call in the browser to just plain old /icons/, and you want to match up with a literal icon directory?
00:06:40 [AaronSw]
right
00:07:06 [Morbus]
and where is the icon directory on the hd?
00:07:12 [AaronSw]
Alias /icons/ /usr/local/apache-espians/icons/
00:07:20 [Morbus]
and that doesn't work for you?
00:07:42 [AaronSw]
No, it calls the script bound to /
00:08:11 [Morbus]
so every request on that site goes through a script first?
00:08:38 [AaronSw]
well, i'd like for all of them except the /icons to
00:08:48 [Morbus]
hmm
00:08:53 [AaronSw]
oh, i guess i have to put the /icons directive first
00:08:58 [AaronSw]
that's not intuitive to me
00:09:07 [Morbus]
putting it first worked for you?
00:09:59 [AaronSw]
yep
00:10:08 [Morbus]
ok. that makes a bit of sense.
00:10:23 [AaronSw]
i guess so, but normally you think the later rule overrides the earlier one
00:11:49 [Morbus]
thats true, but it depends on precedence as well.
00:12:19 [Morbus]
whoo, i think george likes ampheta
00:16:09 [AaronSw]
whoa, orasis uses os x?
00:21:24 [Morbus]
.google apache os x
00:21:25 [xena]
apache os x: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/12/07/apache.html&e=921
00:21:33 [Morbus]
whoo hoo!
00:21:45 [Morbus]
actually, this is odd.
00:21:51 [Morbus]
seconsd ago:
00:21:51 [Morbus]
<Morbus> .google apache os x
00:21:51 [Morbus]
<xena> apache os x: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/mac/2001/12/07/apache.html
00:22:40 [AaronSw]
what's odd?
00:22:50 [Morbus]
the url having changed in the span of three seconds
00:22:59 [AaronSw]
it didn't change
00:23:10 [AaronSw]
the &e=921? that's an artifact of google's hitcounting
00:23:21 [Morbus]
oh? i know not of this.
00:24:46 [Morbus]
what rhymes with "adored"
00:24:54 [AaronSw]
deplored
00:24:56 [AaronSw]
explored
00:24:59 [AaronSw]
fnord!
00:25:03 [Morbus]
heheheh!
00:25:05 [AaronSw]
gotta run: dinner
00:26:53 [sbp]
c'ya
00:27:01 [Morbus]
You've got databases galore, features adored, and requests explored <a href="#01">[1]</a>.
00:27:03 [Morbus]
hmm...
00:27:08 [Morbus]
not sure if that works.
00:27:22 [Morbus]
.google rhyming database
00:27:23 [xena]
rhyming database: http://rhyme.sourceforge.net/how.html
00:29:57 [sbp]
galore is the odd one out
00:30:30 [Morbus]
databases stored
00:32:17 [sbp]
seems fine
00:32:34 [Morbus]
just wait til you see the footnote.
00:37:27 [Morbus]
well, this isn't coming out right.
00:37:27 [Morbus]
Don't forget the bosses abhorred, benefits scored and welcomed awards, mouths floored and derision ignored, nothing deplored, principles discord, happiness poured, computer love restored, and don't forget the almighty fnord!
00:38:20 [sbp]
heh!
00:40:20 [Morbus]
i'm just rephrasing it now.
00:42:43 [Morbus]
how about:
00:42:43 [Morbus]
Along with the bosses abhorred, benefits scored and welcomed awards, mouths floored and derision ignored, nothing deplored and happiness poured, you realize that computer love has been restored, and with no principles discord! Hail the mighty Fnord! (yes, I could go on).
00:47:15 [Morbus]
[[[
00:47:16 [Morbus]
<Ash> it's okay
00:47:16 [Morbus]
<Ash> I mean, it's amusing
00:47:16 [Morbus]
<Ash> but in an "i'm going to shoot the person that wrote this" kind of way
00:47:20 [Morbus]
<Morbus> great!
00:47:21 [Morbus]
]]]
00:48:54 [sbp]
heh!
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00:55:11 [Morbus]
AaronSw: did you get the java software update?
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00:59:03 [sbp]
z_igor?
01:01:42 [hazmat]
momentary lapse into young frankenstein
01:01:52 [hazmat]
abby normal
01:02:57 [Morbus]
its frank-en-steen!
01:03:12 [Morbus]
why do they laugh at you!?
01:03:19 [Morbus]
because... they... are... jealous!
01:03:47 [hazmat]
hey... i'm abby normal
01:06:26 [AaronSw]
eee-gor!
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02:26:46 [jeremiah]
hello
02:28:24 [AaronSw]
J J J
02:29:04 [sbp]
Hi J
02:29:57 [AaronSw]
"[...] Casey's friend Allison Rogers (no relation) to the IcePlex to go skating."
02:30:04 [AaronSw]
you forgot to put (no relation) after IcePlex ;)
02:32:24 [AaronSw]
giggle: http://www.fimoculous.com/calendar-search.cfm?month=2&day=15&year=2002
02:33:59 [AaronSw]
Doesn't this just have tav's name on it:
02:34:01 [AaronSw]
To be, or not to be: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we end
02:34:37 [AaronSw]
you got the questions, the mind, saving the world from troubles by opposing them, and no sleep!
02:35:03 [sbp]
heh, heh:-
02:35:03 [sbp]
SmarterChild: Indeed.
02:35:04 [sbp]
RingMessenger: Indeed.
02:35:04 [sbp]
SmarterChild: Indeed.
02:35:04 [sbp]
RingMessenger: Yes indeed.
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02:35:14 [sbp]
argh!
02:35:18 [sbp]
get out, get out!
02:35:19 [sbp]
go!
02:35:35 [AaronSw]
shoo fly, don't bother me, shoo fly, don't bother me
02:35:37 [sbp]
how *dare* you enter our wonderous world
02:35:39 [Morbus]
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02:35:43 [AaronSw]
is it just me or does jeremiah say hi, but never respond?
02:35:45 [sbp]
heh!
02:35:46 [AaronSw]
Heh, he left.
02:36:00 [AaronSw]
/invite morbus
02:36:05 [AaronSw]
i think that does something
02:36:10 [AaronSw]
maybe if i do it a hundred times...
02:36:17 [Morbus]
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02:36:21 [sbp]
it does: INVITE Not enough parameters
02:36:27 [Morbus]
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02:36:31 [AaronSw]
oh, you need a special client
02:36:51 [Morbus]
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02:36:54 [AaronSw]
/invite morbus #swhack
02:36:58 [sbp]
:-)
02:36:58 [AaronSw]
hi Morbus
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02:37:05 [sbp]
argh!
02:37:06 [AaronSw]
lol
02:37:13 [AaronSw]
bye morbus
02:37:18 [AaronSw]
that was just in preparation
02:37:20 [sbp]
heh
02:37:21 [AaronSw]
for the inevitable
02:37:43 [Morbus]
dude, you sent it like a thousand times
02:37:59 [AaronSw]
Oh, is that what that does?
02:42:21 [sbp]
This channel reads like a bad joke. "Did you hear that one about the Christian, the Satanist, and the Jew?"
02:42:44 [AaronSw]
Heh.
02:42:50 [AaronSw]
You're the Christian?
02:43:14 [sbp]
Uh huh
02:43:39 [sbp]
but I embrace people of all faiths :-)
02:43:42 [AaronSw]
Hm, well no Hamentaschen for you then! ;-)
02:44:12 [jeremiah]
blah
02:44:13 [jeremiah]
ok
02:44:23 [AaronSw]
he said three lines today!
02:44:25 [AaronSw]
we are honored
02:44:26 [jeremiah]
so I don't respond mainly 'cause I say hello, get no response, re-minimize window
02:44:31 [sbp]
heh, heh
02:44:43 [AaronSw]
maybe you should increase the no response timeout
02:45:02 [jeremiah]
yeah
02:45:16 [jeremiah]
maybe I should increase my sleep time
02:45:59 [jeremiah]
jeremiah.crawlInBed(); jeremiah.sleep("5.5H"); jeremiah.wakeUpAndBitch()
02:46:00 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Welcoming people of all faiths
02:46:10 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: Welcoming people of all faiths
02:46:13 [sbp]
Hamentaschen: well... hot cross-buns are fine for me :-)
02:46:29 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw rocks to "Stairway to Heaven"
02:46:33 [sbp]
ooh
02:47:03 [AaronSw]
".... and she's buuuuuuuuying a staiiirway to heah ven."
02:47:42 [AaronSw]
Hm: http://semantic.org/
02:48:03 [AaronSw]
Heh: "Truth, a unified interface to all information. This is a much deeper problem than it sounds."
02:48:18 [jeremiah]
aaron should work somewhat on the networking code
02:48:27 [jeremiah]
sometime in the next 96 hours it should be working
02:48:31 [jeremiah]
or I'll kick my own ass
02:48:43 [AaronSw]
i should work on the code?
02:48:49 [jeremiah]
err
02:48:50 [sbp]
J: and how will you manage that?
02:48:55 [jeremiah]
I ment to say "I should b eworking"
02:48:59 [jeremiah]
sbp: I'm flexible
02:49:06 [AaronSw]
sbp, i do it all the time
02:49:10 [AaronSw]
have to use the heel though
02:49:13 [jeremiah]
yeah...
02:49:20 [jeremiah]
coach Jones wants me to run in the 2 mile race
02:49:26 [AaronSw]
jeremiah, that's cool. the Mnet folks were asking me aboutit
02:49:29 [jeremiah]
this will be a scary comcept
02:49:31 [jeremiah]
cool
02:51:50 [jeremiah]
some guy emailed me
02:51:59 [jeremiah]
and was like 'wouldn't it be eaiser if you did this with zope?"
02:52:06 [jeremiah]
I email back: do what with zope/
02:52:12 [AaronSw]
lol. was his name tav?
02:52:16 [jeremiah]
no
02:52:19 [jeremiah]
Pierre Johnson
02:52:19 [AaronSw]
Or Ain El-Milkeen?
02:52:29 [AaronSw]
Hm
02:52:39 [sbp]
lol!
02:52:44 [sbp]
"Ain El-Milkeen" indeed...
02:52:55 [AaronSw]
I get email from zope folks quite a bit... reminds me of that Zope wrapup...
02:52:59 [jeremiah]
you know einstein couldn't talk until he was 9
02:53:13 [AaronSw]
I think there's a lot of Einstein disinformation.
02:53:16 [jeremiah]
this came up at track
02:53:22 [AaronSw]
.google snopes einstein talk 9
02:53:23 [xena]
snopes einstein talk 9: http://www.paraseek.com/discus/messages/31/31.html
02:53:31 [AaronSw]
.google snopes einstein talk
02:53:31 [xena]
snopes einstein talk: http://www.urbanlegends.com/afu/awards/jason/afu_awards_apr_96.html
02:53:33 [jeremiah]
well the coach was like "so what if youc an't run now, einstein couldn't talk dammit!"
02:53:36 [sbp]
Einstein disinformation? heh
02:54:17 [AaronSw]
"""
02:54:21 [AaronSw]
Tony closed with a warning to the Zope community, a list of the top things people say when he mentions Zope:
02:54:24 [AaronSw]
*Why does it have such a funny name?
02:54:25 [AaronSw]
*I looked at Zope, but I still don't understand what it is.
02:54:25 [AaronSw]
*It seems like a kind of religion.
02:54:25 [AaronSw]
*I'd consider it for my Intranet, but it won't necessarily work with my Java or Oracle production server.
02:54:26 [AaronSw]
*We're a Java/COM/Perl shop.
02:54:26 [AaronSw]
*Is the Zope corporation for me or against me? I'm an integration consultant. Does the Zope company want to make me more productive or steal my business?
02:54:29 [AaronSw]
"""
02:55:36 [AaronSw]
Zope screwiness: it treats HEAD requests as totally different from GET requests, and thus gives 404s
02:55:45 [sbp]
yeah. I noticed that
02:55:59 [sbp]
it's *so* fucked up, it actually pains me when you mention the word "Zope"
02:56:13 [AaronSw]
Heh, it has it's good things.
02:56:23 [sbp]
it's written in Python. That's it
02:56:48 [sbp]
how did such a disaster come from a language so pure and wonderful? it boggles the mind
02:57:52 [jeremiah]
going to sleep
02:58:04 [jeremiah]
hmm
02:58:04 [sbp]
have fun
02:58:09 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.timesdispatch.com/frontpage/MGBWFN205YC.html
02:58:10 [sbp]
pleasant dreams, etc.
02:58:15 [AaronSw]
nite
02:58:19 [chumpster]
A: http://www.timesdispatch.com/frontpage/MGBWFN205YC.html from AaronSw
02:58:33 [AaronSw]
A:|iBooks: the revised edition
02:58:36 [chumpster]
titled item A
02:58:41 [jeremiah]
zope does too damn much
02:58:45 [jeremiah]
it needs to find oen thing
02:58:46 [jeremiah]
and do that well
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02:58:52 [AaronSw]
explain. what does it do?
02:58:59 [jeremiah]
well, anything i mention to anyone
02:59:03 [jeremiah]
they tell me I can do that with zope
02:59:11 [AaronSw]
A::"Henrico had the opportunity to become more than just a trendsetter, more than just a pioneer. It had the chance, the forum, to set a precedent for the amalgamation of technology and education. Instead, when the actions of a few threatened all, it came up with a one-size-fits-all solution: Treat the entire student community as criminals."
02:59:14 [jeremiah]
but I still have trouble figureing out what the fuck actually is "zope"
02:59:24 [AaronSw]
it's a web server. how hard is that to understand?
02:59:30 [chumpster]
commented item A
02:59:31 [jeremiah]
but apache is a webserver
02:59:33 [GabeW]
* GabeW slaps AaronSw
02:59:41 [jeremiah]
zope also has a database
02:59:41 [AaronSw]
it's a religion too
02:59:49 [jeremiah]
now can I get the database without the web server
02:59:51 [AaronSw]
well, so do most decent web server things
03:00:00 [GabeW]
its a object publishing framework - a sort of content/app server
03:00:05 [jeremiah]
I dunno, I'll read up on it
03:00:07 [GabeW]
yeah
03:00:11 [jeremiah]
do you guys really think it's shitty stuff?
03:00:37 [GabeW]
zope? I like zope.
03:00:42 [jeremiah]
oh well, id on't care, I'm getting some sleep
03:00:46 [sbp]
I haven't used it much - but I remember using it briefly and not liking it at all
03:00:47 [jeremiah]
seeya, sorry fo rblasting out but I'm tired
03:00:48 [AaronSw]
Depends what you're doing. It's like democracy. it sucks, but most other things suck worse
03:01:06 [jeremiah]
hmm
03:01:08 [sbp]
heh
03:01:18 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is going to sleep, back sometime tommorow
03:01:24 [AaronSw]
Heh: http://zope-is-evil-666.idyll.org/
03:01:35 [AaronSw]
The PyWX people are funny
03:03:26 [GabeW]
whats pywx, AaronSw?
03:03:44 [AaronSw]
PyWX is a thingy that lets you run Python from within AOLserver
03:03:54 [GabeW]
oh interesting
03:04:16 [GabeW]
thatsreally interesting because AOLServer is so interesting, but I refuse to learn TCL
03:05:28 [AaronSw]
Yeah, it's nice
03:09:47 [sbp]
First came the Internet. People liked that, because with it came email and newsgroups. Then came the Web and its URIs. People liked that because it brought Web pages and ambient documentation. Then came some nutty people with the idea of bringing the Web to the Internet, and so the plexy-thing was born
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03:29:00 [sbp]
So, who's up for a game of ASCII charades?
03:29:42 [sbp]
Hmm... thought so
03:30:03 [sbp]
That's the problem with party games: they're no fun by yourself
03:30:18 [deltab]
we have to identify a character from clues?
03:30:53 [sbp]
actually, I'm not sure. I was hoping that someone else would go first, and in doing so, teach me how to play
03:31:50 [sbp]
sounds good. Need at least three people to play it, though
03:32:16 [sbp]
er... more than three, rather
03:34:06 [sbp]
ooh!
03:44:37 [sbp]
* sbp just read http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/XML
03:44:50 [sbp]
a very interesting document indeed; defines XML functions
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03:57:23 [AaronSw]
I'll play.
03:57:42 [AaronSw]
What has 8 bits, is black and white, and is used in documents?
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04:04:06 [sbp]
Um...
04:04:34 [AaronSw]
Heh
04:04:43 [AaronSw]
Tim Byars: "Techno addiction. More expensive than crack, keeps you up longer than coke, makes you fatter than pot, but hey... it's legal."
04:04:52 [AaronSw]
[via Kragen]
04:09:07 [monokrom]
does kragen have a site/blog?
04:09:22 [AaronSw]
yes
04:09:25 [AaronSw]
.google kragen sitaker
04:09:26 [xena]
kragen sitaker: http://pobox.com/~kragen
04:09:39 [monokrom]
thanQ :D
04:11:22 [sbp]
ooh, I read the Tao of Programming before
04:11:59 [AaronSw]
Even a program / only 3 lines long / will have to be maintained
04:13:44 [sbp]
congratulations / the syllables are quite borked / if that's a haiku
04:14:07 [AaronSw]
it's a lose quote from the tao of programming
04:14:31 [sbp]
I guessed as such
04:45:19 [sbp]
Aaron?
04:45:22 [sbp]
hello? ping, ping, ping
04:45:28 [AaronSw]
pong pong pong
04:45:33 [AaronSw]
goodbye?
04:45:39 [AaronSw]
Sean?
04:45:41 [sbp]
do you know what the RFC is for transmitting things over TCP/IP?
04:45:56 [AaronSw]
The TCP RFC?
04:46:16 [sbp]
er... no, I meant like actual things
04:46:26 [sbp]
blocks of wood, people, frogs, etc.
04:46:39 [AaronSw]
oh, the april fools one
04:46:43 [sbp]
yep
04:46:45 [AaronSw]
no, unfortunately not
04:46:48 [sbp]
argh
04:46:55 [AaronSw]
.google april fools rfc things frogs
04:46:56 [xena]
april fools rfc things frogs: http://www.fifer.net/treasures
04:47:50 [sbp]
aha: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1437.txt
04:49:37 [AaronSw]
Heh, it even works on "non-human species (e.g. dolphins, Klingons, or politicians)."
04:50:08 [sbp]
heh!
04:50:22 [AaronSw]
Ooh, they use SGML!
04:50:54 [sbp]
ooh, so they do
04:51:24 [AaronSw]
lol:
04:51:30 [AaronSw]
Subject: Think hard before reconstructing
04:51:30 [AaronSw]
Content-description: Dan Quayle, low-res version
04:51:30 [AaronSw]
04:51:45 [sbp]
heh, heh, heh
04:52:59 [AaronSw]
lol: "a no-file space error caused one of the laboratory rats on our prototype system to be truncated to a zero-length file. Unfortunately we had neglected to mount a scratch rat. (We have decided to permanently retain the empty filename in his honor)."
04:53:02 [AaronSw]
this is a great rfc
04:55:32 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw downloads the authors
04:56:07 [sbp]
lol
04:56:11 [sbp]
yeah, I liked that
04:56:16 [AaronSw]
ugh, they've been deleted to make space
04:56:25 [AaronSw]
oh wait, here they are!
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: Be sure to brink your squeamish ossifrage
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AaronSw has changed the topic to: Be sure to bring your squeamish ossifrage
04:59:14 [sbp]
.google "squeamish ossifrage"
04:59:14 [xena]
"squeamish ossifrage": http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/1393.html
05:03:29 [AaronSw]
they are the magic words
05:04:16 [sbp]
yeah
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* sbp finds a word used 430 times in its nominal form, 5 times in the adjectival form, and not used in its adverbal form
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which is cool because I wanted to use it as an adverb :-)
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06:34:04 [sbp]
Pff:-
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Methinks... if you are not ready to use XHTML1.1, then stick with
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XHTML1.0 Strict. And if you are not ready to use XHTML1.0 strict, use
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XHTML1.0 Transitional. But please *please*! Don't abuse modularization!
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er, that should have been quoted
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[[[]]] etc.,
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this is so unprofessional - let's do that again :-)
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[[[
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Methinks... if you are not ready to use XHTML1.1, then stick with
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XHTML1.0 Strict. And if you are not ready to use XHTML1.0 strict, use
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XHTML1.0 Transitional. But please *please*! Don't abuse modularization!
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]]] - Erich Reto Iseli, mid:3C7DCBDF.70702@iseli.org
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anyway, I laugh at it
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Gotta run
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spam and leave ic
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sbp?
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ooh
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yay!
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+Aaron
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* Zakim wonders where Aaron is
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I'm right here
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Zakim, who's here?
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sorry, AaronSw, I don't know what conference this is
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Zakim, hello
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I don't understand 'hello', AaronSw. Try /msg Zakim help
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* AaronSw raises hand
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* Zakim sees AaronSw on the speaker queue
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chair acks AaronSw
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* Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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* AaronSw is away: doctor
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morning wendy
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good day!
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Zakim on #swhack?
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ooh, Tim pushing RDF for RDDL, it seems
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[[[
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I understand some folks prefer the
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XLINK version, and I don't like to push RDF as Director, but RDF is
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appropriate
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here, and I hate to think of leaving a legacy of litle RDDL1 > RDDL/RDF
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converters
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distributed thoughout the data processing world.
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]]] - mid:064101c1c00a$c43b2160$0301a8c0@w3.org
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heh, good ol' Pete:-
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[[[
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Since the target and frame modules are defined by the w3 XHTML
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modularization documents, exactly how is actually using them, and fixing a
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serious error in the 1.1 DTD abusing the concept?
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]]] - - mid:001301c1c04b$3afe9e90$6601a8c0@cadpkslaptop
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saves me an email, I guess :-)
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Hmm... I missed Wendy
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oh, ERT mail...
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Erk: success3 doesn't work
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[from the SVG]
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Hmm... neither does the other
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I guess I'll have to attend to it a bit later
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the problem is that the actual assertion is now being asserted in the document, so whoever wrote the document (and whoever parses the document as truth) is going to have to believe the statement
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whereas with the reification, you don't have to believe it because it's properly reified
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hopefully I can come up with a simple example...
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ah, how about:-
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:Sean :says :TheSky .
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:TheSky :color :GreenWithYellowAndPinkPolkaDots .
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heh, that works perfectly
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compared to the previous way of doing it:-
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:Sean :says { :TheSky :color :GreenWithYellowAndPinkPolkaDots } .
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ah, Libby saw the problem too
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18:38:29 [Morbus]
whoo hoo!
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http://saladwithsteve.com/osx/
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he likes ampheta! <g>
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18:41:39 [sbp]
neat
18:45:27 [Morbus]
oh, yeah, i just switched disobey.com to a new box.
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if you see anything broken, lemme know.
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will do
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AaronSw: that geroge guy built an applescript to run ampheta from the script menu
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holy crap.
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amphetadesk is mentioned on the main page of oreillynet.com/mac/
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* sbp sends a note about the new proposed EARL model
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-er-ig/2002Feb/0067
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it's good that they're coming up with alternatives, though
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* sbp just watched a great episode of Friends
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Monica was stripping at the end, and destroyed something with her shoe. Heh, heh
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heh
21:29:48 [monokrom]
have u seen "The Virgin Suicides" ? It was on cable a few nights ago
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what channel, and what country?
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usa, it was on Showtime/Cinemax can't recall
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anyway, no I didn't...
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are u in the uk?
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yep
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cool :D
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I was just at my old school, and my favorite teacher now has his hair in a pony tail and has grown out his beard. He looks *exactly like* Zooko. It was pretty weird.
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22:28:12 [AaronSw]
ugh, what's the word for adding on to something?
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incrementing? augmenting?
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like an rdf-based format that allows you to add new properties
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Hm. expansion?
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concatenation.
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gotta run
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* sbp waves
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Morb's!
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dbp!
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hey, at least I spelled your 'name correctly
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