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01:52:51 <hazmat> hello
02:07:01 <AaronSw> hey hazmat
02:07:10 <bijan> Hey aaron, hazmat
02:07:15 <AaronSw> hello
02:07:21 <AaronSw> prefixes: nice!
02:07:38 <bijan> Yes.
02:07:46 <Bensw|bandersnatch> Bensw|bandersnatch is now known as BenSw
02:07:48 <bijan> I've concluded that N3 is dynamically scoped.
02:07:55 <bijan> At least, "this" is.
02:08:04 <hazmat> AaronSw: what happened to the old plexdev look and feel?
02:08:22 <AaronSw> the one with the messy tables and bloated graphics that took forever to load?
02:08:37 <hazmat> but it sure did look perty.
02:08:51 <AaronSw> Heh, tav didn't think so... :-/
02:09:20 <bijan> It's very nice to be able to read in most N3 files ;)
02:09:27 <hazmat> ic, everybodies a critic ;)
02:09:33 <AaronSw> hazmat, what browser you using?
02:09:40 <hazmat> mozilla
02:09:40 <AaronSw> this one looks decently pretty with CSS
02:09:43 <AaronSw> Ah.
02:09:50 <AaronSw> It should be ok...
02:10:04 <hazmat> not really.
02:10:10 <hazmat> too comments
02:10:18 <hazmat> s/too/two
02:10:34 <hazmat> the menu links at the top should have better contrast with the background
02:11:29 <hazmat> the example in the middle of the page spans across the (John) in grey spans across the news and status, which is disconcerting.
02:12:06 <hazmat> other than that it looks fine... but i still miss the old one :)
02:12:33 <AaronSw> heh, maybe we should make it an option :)
02:12:57 <AaronSw> grey thing: yeah, I think that's a Moz bug... I figured out how to fix it in IE, but Mozilla ignores my attempts...
02:13:11 <AaronSw> I should probably research the CSS box model or something, I guess.
02:13:19 <AaronSw> no one in #css
02:41:14 <bijan> Ouch, I didn't realize that [] is just altsyntax for forSome.
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03:12:26 <jeremiah> ::sigh::
03:12:33 <jeremiah> almost all the code i wrote for networking is prettymuch useless
03:12:34 <jeremiah> oh well
03:13:31 <AaronSw> why?
03:13:51 <AaronSw> jeremiah?
03:14:52 <jeremiah> well, I was just doing a lot of unnecessary stuff
03:15:01 <AaronSw> like what?
03:15:03 <jeremiah> and I'm having trouble getting the damn xmlrpc-server to work
03:15:11 <jeremiah> like transferring stuff around with <Node>
03:15:21 <jeremiah> which I could have seen if I looked at network.py
03:15:51 <AaronSw> Hm.
03:15:56 <jeremiah> the xmlrpc server not working has nothing to do with all the <node> crap
03:16:24 <jeremiah> but anyways, code should be working sometime soon
03:16:25 <jeremiah> I hope
03:16:40 <jeremiah> this week will be as busy as last week
03:16:48 <AaronSw> My suggestion: add a <node>  thing to the XML-RPC serializer
03:16:59 <jeremiah> I don't know what you mean by that
03:17:08 <AaronSw> also, putting the code on the web would be good... or should i just give you a CVS account?
03:17:25 <jeremiah> well it's not going far right now, but either would be fine
03:17:49 <jeremiah> right now I haven't made many signifigant changes
03:18:06 <AaronSw> look at the xmlrpc code -- it's got a serialzer thing where it converts each type to xml. you could add one for things of class Node and convert it to <list> or something
03:18:20 <jeremiah> oh
03:18:21 <jeremiah> ok
03:18:32 <jeremiah> I'll keep that in mind when i get workign on the code later this week
03:20:42 <jeremiah> alright well hey: at least I know how chord works now
03:20:51 <AaronSw> hehe
03:22:20 <jeremiah> doing the work now should be... fast as hell
03:22:52 <jeremiah> but I'll talk to you later, let me email you what I have right now, it's a big mess though and I seriously doubt any of it works
03:23:00 <AaronSw> alright
03:23:03 <jeremiah> actually, I'll just give it to you later, because it won't do you any good
03:23:07 <jeremiah> in the current state
03:24:02 <jeremiah> * jeremiah is away: not here
03:42:57 <AaronSw> Huh? Someone says that <img dynsrc="url"> is the right way to include movies in an HTML document.
03:43:58 <sbp> heh!
03:44:15 <AaronSw> I was like, what about EMBED or OBJECT.
03:44:20 <AaronSw> They said, nah, that's for sound files!
03:44:42 <AaronSw> Heh, Dad plays with my digital camera: http://homepage.mac.com/rswartz/PhotoAlbum2.html
03:44:52 <AaronSw> lol @ large cardinal
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04:53:26 <BenSw> wb GabeW
04:53:32 <BenSw> G'nite all
05:07:36 <GabeW> nite
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05:18:36 <GabeW> anybody else alive here?
05:18:53 <sbp> uh huh
05:18:59 <AaronSw> i'm at 1/2 alive and falling.
05:19:05 <sbp> heh
05:20:07 <AaronSw> Hm, if I stay up late enough, maybe I'll catch the RDF Core meeting in France.
05:20:20 <GabeW> its like 2am or something in france
05:21:00 <deltab> 06:22
05:21:09 <GabeW> nahh
05:21:11 <GabeW> realyu?
05:21:15 <AaronSw> .time fst
05:21:15 <xena> Feb. 25, 2002 7:22 am GMT+2
05:21:16 <sbp> .time +1
05:21:17 <xena> x_ircbot Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: KeyError Error Value: +1 Troubleshooting Suggestions This resource may be trying to reference a nonexistent object or variable +1. The URL may be incorrect. The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect. A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error. For more
05:21:18 <xena>  detailed information about the error, please refer to the HTML source for this page. If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for your patience. Traceback (innermost last): File /home/services/zope/software_home/2.5.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 150, in publish_module File /home/services/zope/instance_home/e.1.dev/Products/Localizer/__init__.py, line 68, in
05:21:19 <xena> .. a very large amount of text.
05:21:23 <deltab> Mon Feb 25 06:22:22 CET 2002
05:21:24 <AaronSw> Heh.
05:21:25 <GabeW> oh yeah
05:21:27 <GabeW> sheesh
05:21:27 <sbp> Pff
05:21:30 <GabeW> its 9:24 here
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05:32:01 <GabeW> i hate how "live" shows are always actually recorded on the west coast
05:32:31 <sbp> such as?
05:32:33 <GabeW> all these call in shows always get east coasters - it distorts the media coverage in a lot of cases to "east coast" thinking
05:32:37 <GabeW> the olympics
05:33:10 <GabeW> Not that I care a lot, but if I did, it would suck becauase I'd have to try hard to avoid scores and results online
05:33:28 <sbp> Hmm... I thought you meant sitcoms :-0
05:33:33 <sbp> s/:-0/:-)/
05:33:58 <GabeW> i spose if I really cared, I could get satellite, which usually lets you watch east-coast network feeds
05:37:58 <GabeW> man, irc is quiet
05:38:44 <GabeW> really quiet
05:39:14 <sbp> shhhhh!
05:39:30 <AaronSw> Heh.
05:39:53 <GabeW> everyone must be watching the west coast feed of the Olympic Closing Ceremonies
05:40:11 <GabeW> man, I was going to work on PyBEEP tonight too
05:42:46 <GabeW> this is funny: http://kode-fu.com/shame/images/unstoppable1.jpg
05:43:58 <AaronSw> heh, it's hilarious.
05:44:25 <sbp> heh
05:56:48 <GabeW> ya ever think about how much stuff could get done if all the people in #swhack, #p2p-hackers and #infoanarchy were all working on one (or a few) projects?
05:57:04 <AaronSw> you mean instead of chatting?
05:57:07 <sbp> lol
06:02:40 <GabeW> yeah, instead of chatting, but really, instead of everyone working on 3 of their own projects in parallel
06:03:01 <AaronSw> I think that's based on a mistaken assumption
06:03:12 <AaronSw> deltab, jeremiah, are you around?
06:04:30 <sbp> I think we're the only ones that continue to care :-)
06:07:32 <GabeW> whats that assumption?
06:08:03 <AaronSw> that time is fungible.
06:08:11 <GabeW> hmm
06:08:14 <GabeW> it sorta is
06:08:25 <AaronSw> i don't think time spent on irc is tradable for time spent on code
06:08:26 <GabeW> not completely
06:08:28 <GabeW> oh
06:08:29 <GabeW> yeah
06:08:40 <AaronSw> i suspect people would use the time to pick lint out of keyboards, play solitaire or read slashdot
06:08:41 <GabeW> but mostly I was talking about working on 3 separate projects each ;-)
06:08:44 <AaronSw> perhaps not all of it.
06:12:43 <GabeW> wow, ya guys see the new ICANN proposal - and the icannwatch.org reaction? 
06:14:13 <AaronSw> the one that proposes dropping ICANN @ Large?
06:14:21 <GabeW> yeah
06:14:43 <AaronSw> nope, haven't seen it
06:14:45 <GabeW> dropping all the pretentions of public interest..
06:14:50 <AaronSw> that sucks
06:15:02 <GabeW> ICANN people are just soooo clueless
06:15:04 <GabeW> it seems
06:23:15 <GabeW> ok, i'm going to bed... irc is very rarely quiet
06:23:26 <AaronSw> heh, nite
06:23:35 <AaronSw> it's cuz we're being noisy elsewhere
06:23:53 <GabeW> oh '?
06:23:54 <GabeW> oh?'
06:25:59 <GabeW> ya mean in real life or in irc?
06:26:53 <AaronSw> well, personally i'm in the middle of a power struggle over the plex on irc
06:27:09 <GabeW> ooh
06:27:23 <AaronSw> no, don't join!
06:27:27 <AaronSw> it's not pretty
06:27:46 <sbp> Aaron and tav are wrestling in jello
06:47:31 <AaronSw> .time gmt+1
06:47:31 <xena> Feb. 25, 2002 7:48 am GMT+1
06:55:54 <sbp> * sbp tries to get as many of the Plex logs as possible
06:56:02 <sbp> actually, could someone provide a .tar.gz?
06:56:13 <AaronSw> sure...
06:56:14 <sbp> wrong channel. Pff
06:56:20 <AaronSw> actually, hm
06:56:23 <sbp> but it worked, anyway :-)
06:56:32 <sbp> actually?
06:56:34 <AaronSw> i can gzip xena's logs
06:56:40 <sbp> O.K.
06:56:42 <AaronSw> but i can't find the html ones
06:56:52 <sbp> plain text would be preferable
06:58:36 <AaronSw> [non-cool uri supressed]
06:59:46 <sbp> thanks
06:59:50 <sbp> * sbp slurps it off of the Web
07:03:42 <GabeW> anyway, gnight
07:04:20 <sbp> 'night
07:04:22 <sbp> Gotta run
07:04:30 <AaronSw> g'nite
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07:12:57 <AaronSw> i'm off. laters
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21:18:23 <BenSw> .google aaron
21:18:24 <xena> aaron: http://www.rall.com
21:38:32 <AaronSw> wha?!
22:31:12 <sbp> ooh!
22:31:31 <sbp> rall.com?
22:31:51 <sbp> does it even have the word "Aaron" in it?
22:32:05 <sbp> Hmm... no, it doesn't
22:32:12 <sbp> that's bizarre
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23:36:35 <sbp> wb
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23:55:58 <Morbus> * Morbus grumbles
23:56:38 <sbp> as well you might