IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-25
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- 01:33:55 [tansaku]
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- 01:52:51 [hazmat]
- hello
- 02:07:01 [AaronSw]
- hey hazmat
- 02:07:10 [bijan]
- Hey aaron, hazmat
- 02:07:15 [AaronSw]
- hello
- 02:07:21 [AaronSw]
- prefixes: nice!
- 02:07:38 [bijan]
- Yes.
- 02:07:46 [Bensw|bandersnatch]
- Bensw|bandersnatch is now known as BenSw
- 02:07:48 [bijan]
- I've concluded that N3 is dynamically scoped.
- 02:07:55 [bijan]
- At least, "this" is.
- 02:08:04 [hazmat]
- AaronSw: what happened to the old plexdev look and feel?
- 02:08:22 [AaronSw]
- the one with the messy tables and bloated graphics that took forever to load?
- 02:08:37 [hazmat]
- but it sure did look perty.
- 02:08:51 [AaronSw]
- Heh, tav didn't think so... :-/
- 02:09:20 [bijan]
- It's very nice to be able to read in most N3 files ;)
- 02:09:27 [hazmat]
- ic, everybodies a critic ;)
- 02:09:33 [AaronSw]
- hazmat, what browser you using?
- 02:09:40 [hazmat]
- mozilla
- 02:09:40 [AaronSw]
- this one looks decently pretty with CSS
- 02:09:43 [AaronSw]
- Ah.
- 02:09:50 [AaronSw]
- It should be ok...
- 02:10:04 [hazmat]
- not really.
- 02:10:10 [hazmat]
- too comments
- 02:10:18 [hazmat]
- s/too/two
- 02:10:34 [hazmat]
- the menu links at the top should have better contrast with the background
- 02:11:29 [hazmat]
- the example in the middle of the page spans across the (John) in grey spans across the news and status, which is disconcerting.
- 02:12:06 [hazmat]
- other than that it looks fine... but i still miss the old one :)
- 02:12:33 [AaronSw]
- heh, maybe we should make it an option :)
- 02:12:57 [AaronSw]
- grey thing: yeah, I think that's a Moz bug... I figured out how to fix it in IE, but Mozilla ignores my attempts...
- 02:13:11 [AaronSw]
- I should probably research the CSS box model or something, I guess.
- 02:13:19 [AaronSw]
- no one in #css
- 02:41:14 [bijan]
- Ouch, I didn't realize that [] is just altsyntax for forSome.
- 02:58:54 [tansaku]
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- 03:12:26 [jeremiah]
- ::sigh::
- 03:12:33 [jeremiah]
- almost all the code i wrote for networking is prettymuch useless
- 03:12:34 [jeremiah]
- oh well
- 03:13:31 [AaronSw]
- why?
- 03:13:51 [AaronSw]
- jeremiah?
- 03:14:52 [jeremiah]
- well, I was just doing a lot of unnecessary stuff
- 03:15:01 [AaronSw]
- like what?
- 03:15:03 [jeremiah]
- and I'm having trouble getting the damn xmlrpc-server to work
- 03:15:11 [jeremiah]
- like transferring stuff around with <Node>
- 03:15:21 [jeremiah]
- which I could have seen if I looked at network.py
- 03:15:51 [AaronSw]
- Hm.
- 03:15:56 [jeremiah]
- the xmlrpc server not working has nothing to do with all the <node> crap
- 03:16:24 [jeremiah]
- but anyways, code should be working sometime soon
- 03:16:25 [jeremiah]
- I hope
- 03:16:40 [jeremiah]
- this week will be as busy as last week
- 03:16:48 [AaronSw]
- My suggestion: add a <node> thing to the XML-RPC serializer
- 03:16:59 [jeremiah]
- I don't know what you mean by that
- 03:17:08 [AaronSw]
- also, putting the code on the web would be good... or should i just give you a CVS account?
- 03:17:25 [jeremiah]
- well it's not going far right now, but either would be fine
- 03:17:49 [jeremiah]
- right now I haven't made many signifigant changes
- 03:18:06 [AaronSw]
- look at the xmlrpc code -- it's got a serialzer thing where it converts each type to xml. you could add one for things of class Node and convert it to <list> or something
- 03:18:20 [jeremiah]
- oh
- 03:18:21 [jeremiah]
- ok
- 03:18:32 [jeremiah]
- I'll keep that in mind when i get workign on the code later this week
- 03:20:42 [jeremiah]
- alright well hey: at least I know how chord works now
- 03:20:51 [AaronSw]
- hehe
- 03:22:20 [jeremiah]
- doing the work now should be... fast as hell
- 03:22:52 [jeremiah]
- but I'll talk to you later, let me email you what I have right now, it's a big mess though and I seriously doubt any of it works
- 03:23:00 [AaronSw]
- alright
- 03:23:03 [jeremiah]
- actually, I'll just give it to you later, because it won't do you any good
- 03:23:07 [jeremiah]
- in the current state
- 03:24:02 [jeremiah]
- * jeremiah is away: not here
- 03:42:57 [AaronSw]
- Huh? Someone says that <img dynsrc="url"> is the right way to include movies in an HTML document.
- 03:43:58 [sbp]
- heh!
- 03:44:15 [AaronSw]
- I was like, what about EMBED or OBJECT.
- 03:44:20 [AaronSw]
- They said, nah, that's for sound files!
- 03:44:42 [AaronSw]
- Heh, Dad plays with my digital camera: http://homepage.mac.com/rswartz/PhotoAlbum2.html
- 03:44:52 [AaronSw]
- lol @ large cardinal
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- 04:32:57 [GabeW]
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- 04:53:26 [BenSw]
- wb GabeW
- 04:53:32 [BenSw]
- G'nite all
- 05:07:36 [GabeW]
- nite
- 05:10:34 [tansaku]
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- 05:18:36 [GabeW]
- anybody else alive here?
- 05:18:53 [sbp]
- uh huh
- 05:18:59 [AaronSw]
- i'm at 1/2 alive and falling.
- 05:19:05 [sbp]
- heh
- 05:20:07 [AaronSw]
- Hm, if I stay up late enough, maybe I'll catch the RDF Core meeting in France.
- 05:20:20 [GabeW]
- its like 2am or something in france
- 05:21:00 [deltab]
- 06:22
- 05:21:09 [GabeW]
- nahh
- 05:21:11 [GabeW]
- realyu?
- 05:21:15 [AaronSw]
- .time fst
- 05:21:15 [xena]
- Feb. 25, 2002 7:22 am GMT+2
- 05:21:16 [sbp]
- .time +1
- 05:21:17 [xena]
- x_ircbot Zope Error Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource. Error Type: KeyError Error Value: +1 Troubleshooting Suggestions This resource may be trying to reference a nonexistent object or variable +1. The URL may be incorrect. The parameters passed to this resource may be incorrect. A resource that this resource relies on may be encountering an error. For more
- 05:21:18 [xena]
- detailed information about the error, please refer to the HTML source for this page. If the error persists please contact the site maintainer. Thank you for your patience. Traceback (innermost last): File /home/services/zope/software_home/2.5.0/lib/python/ZPublisher/Publish.py, line 150, in publish_module File /home/services/zope/instance_home/e.1.dev/Products/Localizer/__init__.py, line 68, in
- 05:21:19 [xena]
- .. a very large amount of text.
- 05:21:23 [deltab]
- Mon Feb 25 06:22:22 CET 2002
- 05:21:24 [AaronSw]
- Heh.
- 05:21:25 [GabeW]
- oh yeah
- 05:21:27 [GabeW]
- sheesh
- 05:21:27 [sbp]
- Pff
- 05:21:30 [GabeW]
- its 9:24 here
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- 05:32:01 [GabeW]
- i hate how "live" shows are always actually recorded on the west coast
- 05:32:31 [sbp]
- such as?
- 05:32:33 [GabeW]
- all these call in shows always get east coasters - it distorts the media coverage in a lot of cases to "east coast" thinking
- 05:32:37 [GabeW]
- the olympics
- 05:33:10 [GabeW]
- Not that I care a lot, but if I did, it would suck becauase I'd have to try hard to avoid scores and results online
- 05:33:28 [sbp]
- Hmm... I thought you meant sitcoms :-0
- 05:33:33 [sbp]
- s/:-0/:-)/
- 05:33:58 [GabeW]
- i spose if I really cared, I could get satellite, which usually lets you watch east-coast network feeds
- 05:37:58 [GabeW]
- man, irc is quiet
- 05:38:44 [GabeW]
- really quiet
- 05:39:14 [sbp]
- shhhhh!
- 05:39:30 [AaronSw]
- Heh.
- 05:39:53 [GabeW]
- everyone must be watching the west coast feed of the Olympic Closing Ceremonies
- 05:40:11 [GabeW]
- man, I was going to work on PyBEEP tonight too
- 05:42:46 [GabeW]
- this is funny: http://kode-fu.com/shame/images/unstoppable1.jpg
- 05:43:58 [AaronSw]
- heh, it's hilarious.
- 05:44:25 [sbp]
- heh
- 05:56:48 [GabeW]
- ya ever think about how much stuff could get done if all the people in #swhack, #p2p-hackers and #infoanarchy were all working on one (or a few) projects?
- 05:57:04 [AaronSw]
- you mean instead of chatting?
- 05:57:07 [sbp]
- lol
- 06:02:40 [GabeW]
- yeah, instead of chatting, but really, instead of everyone working on 3 of their own projects in parallel
- 06:03:01 [AaronSw]
- I think that's based on a mistaken assumption
- 06:03:12 [AaronSw]
- deltab, jeremiah, are you around?
- 06:04:30 [sbp]
- I think we're the only ones that continue to care :-)
- 06:07:32 [GabeW]
- whats that assumption?
- 06:08:03 [AaronSw]
- that time is fungible.
- 06:08:11 [GabeW]
- hmm
- 06:08:14 [GabeW]
- it sorta is
- 06:08:25 [AaronSw]
- i don't think time spent on irc is tradable for time spent on code
- 06:08:26 [GabeW]
- not completely
- 06:08:28 [GabeW]
- oh
- 06:08:29 [GabeW]
- yeah
- 06:08:40 [AaronSw]
- i suspect people would use the time to pick lint out of keyboards, play solitaire or read slashdot
- 06:08:41 [GabeW]
- but mostly I was talking about working on 3 separate projects each ;-)
- 06:08:44 [AaronSw]
- perhaps not all of it.
- 06:12:43 [GabeW]
- wow, ya guys see the new ICANN proposal - and the icannwatch.org reaction?
- 06:14:13 [AaronSw]
- the one that proposes dropping ICANN @ Large?
- 06:14:21 [GabeW]
- yeah
- 06:14:43 [AaronSw]
- nope, haven't seen it
- 06:14:45 [GabeW]
- dropping all the pretentions of public interest..
- 06:14:50 [AaronSw]
- that sucks
- 06:15:02 [GabeW]
- ICANN people are just soooo clueless
- 06:15:04 [GabeW]
- it seems
- 06:23:15 [GabeW]
- ok, i'm going to bed... irc is very rarely quiet
- 06:23:26 [AaronSw]
- heh, nite
- 06:23:35 [AaronSw]
- it's cuz we're being noisy elsewhere
- 06:23:53 [GabeW]
- oh '?
- 06:23:54 [GabeW]
- oh?'
- 06:25:59 [GabeW]
- ya mean in real life or in irc?
- 06:26:53 [AaronSw]
- well, personally i'm in the middle of a power struggle over the plex on irc
- 06:27:09 [GabeW]
- ooh
- 06:27:23 [AaronSw]
- no, don't join!
- 06:27:27 [AaronSw]
- it's not pretty
- 06:27:46 [sbp]
- Aaron and tav are wrestling in jello
- 06:47:31 [AaronSw]
- .time gmt+1
- 06:47:31 [xena]
- Feb. 25, 2002 7:48 am GMT+1
- 06:55:54 [sbp]
- * sbp tries to get as many of the Plex logs as possible
- 06:56:02 [sbp]
- actually, could someone provide a .tar.gz?
- 06:56:13 [AaronSw]
- sure...
- 06:56:14 [sbp]
- wrong channel. Pff
- 06:56:20 [AaronSw]
- actually, hm
- 06:56:23 [sbp]
- but it worked, anyway :-)
- 06:56:32 [sbp]
- actually?
- 06:56:34 [AaronSw]
- i can gzip xena's logs
- 06:56:40 [sbp]
- O.K.
- 06:56:42 [AaronSw]
- but i can't find the html ones
- 06:56:52 [sbp]
- plain text would be preferable
- 06:58:36 [AaronSw]
- [non-cool uri supressed]
- 06:59:46 [sbp]
- thanks
- 06:59:50 [sbp]
- * sbp slurps it off of the Web
- 07:03:42 [GabeW]
- anyway, gnight
- 07:04:20 [sbp]
- 'night
- 07:04:22 [sbp]
- Gotta run
- 07:04:30 [AaronSw]
- g'nite
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- 07:12:57 [AaronSw]
- i'm off. laters
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- 07:51:33 [hazmat]
- hmm.. mojonation is no longer available from mojonation.net
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- 21:18:23 [BenSw]
- .google aaron
- 21:18:24 [xena]
- aaron: http://www.rall.com
- 21:38:32 [AaronSw]
- wha?!
- 22:31:12 [sbp]
- ooh!
- 22:31:31 [sbp]
- rall.com?
- 22:31:51 [sbp]
- does it even have the word "Aaron" in it?
- 22:32:05 [sbp]
- Hmm... no, it doesn't
- 22:32:12 [sbp]
- that's bizarre
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- wb
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- 23:55:58 [Morbus]
- * Morbus grumbles
- 23:56:38 [sbp]
- as well you might