00:27:07 Morbus (~Morbus@s85.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 00:28:03 welp, to some degree, the modularization of amphetadesk is done. 00:28:13 a lot of the template related stuff is broken, but the main page is working ifne. 00:29:28 the modularization is gone??? 00:29:53 no, done. 00:36:23 oh. Duh 00:36:35 that's great! 00:36:46 when are you going to be realsing it: target date? 00:37:40 pff. it won't be released for public consumption for quite a long time. 00:37:54 i mean, i've got the first stage of "experimenting with this new idea i have" done. 00:38:09 i've got a few more, and then extensive testing to make sure shit hasn't been broken. 00:38:35 i mean, i could give you the code now, but its broken in some places. 00:40:09 I'd better wait for a stable release... 00:40:12 :) 00:40:27 I'll be intersted to go through your much zenified code, though 00:40:42 heh, heh 00:40:48 want to see it now? 00:40:57 or wait til stable? 00:41:11 now that the modularization is complete, i kinda anna make the template stuff better. 00:41:22 if it's got cool bits in it now, then sure 00:41:30 not reall. 00:41:31 y. 00:48:28 * Morbus begins his fifth ORA article. 00:50:41 neat 00:54:23 i think i've got some early category names for DNN. 00:54:49 "disobey related stuff", "the idiot box" (movies/tv), "CHIApet" (user interface), "Friends O' Disobey", "Stalkers O' Morbus" 00:54:49 thoughts? 00:55:25 CHIApet? 00:55:37 for UI? 00:56:00 oh, I see the CHI 00:56:06 yeah, cos there are two major lists, called CHI (computer human interaction") and "IA" (information architecture). 00:57:39 i'll probably add a "Morbus Shoots, Jesus Saves!" category for religion 00:58:00 maybe a "Things To Waste Your Money On"? 00:59:12 i don't suppose blockquote is allowed in an li. 00:59:27 I would think so 00:59:45 I think that it is. I use it, anyway 00:59:50 really? oh. 00:59:59 i wanna take the quoted parts in DNN and turn them into blockquotes., 01:00:06 with a smaller font 01:00:29 I'm right: 01:00:37 - http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists#edef-LI 01:02:22 ah. good., 01:06:23 s/Things To Waste Your Money On/Blow Your Wad/ 01:06:46 nah, that's too immature. 01:07:59 El Casho Disappearo? 01:07:59 01:09:07 lol 01:30:45 oh yeah, sbp, derrick did change my bottom bio thingy 01:30:49 wait, i told you that. 01:30:50 sigh./ 01:42:04 wmf (wesf@cs242733-11.austin.rr.com) has joined #swhack 01:42:09 evening wes. 01:42:24 @ http://www.theworkcircuit.com/story/OEG20020220S0060 01:42:27 A: TheWorkCircuit.com - Prodigy ready to receive chip implant from wmf 01:42:50 sbp has left #swhack 01:43:05 A::Maybe next AaronSw will get a semantic web tatoo 01:43:06 commented item A 01:43:15 lol 01:45:47 A::All you need is a URI... 01:45:48 commented item A 02:03:41 Bensw|compusa (nobody@un.impressive.net) has joined #swhack 02:03:53 hello 02:03:56 hey! 02:03:56 Bensw|compusa has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:09:06 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-192-160.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 02:11:07 redmonk is now known as rm 02:21:13 heh, funny topic, wmf 02:21:32 isn't it? 02:22:34 rm has quit ("laters") 02:23:10 GabeW has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:24:32 * Morbus stretches 02:27:14 GabeW (~gwachob@adsl-216-101-18-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack 02:34:01 bandersnatch is almost there 02:34:45 bandersnatch? 02:35:08 BenSw's machine 02:35:13 we're installing debian on it 02:35:30 ah 02:36:43 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-192-160.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 02:45:32 redmonk has quit ("gotta run again") 03:03:48 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 03:11:01 GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:12:13 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 03:12:19 sbp has left #swhack 03:13:50 AaronSw has changed the topic to: "If it moves, check it. If it's stationary, paint it" - Dagenham Motto 03:14:00 AaronSw has changed the topic to: "If it moves, check it. If it's stationary, paint it" - Dagenham Motto 04:16:12 Morbus (~Morbus@s117.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 04:30:14 lol, the number 4 debian release issue: "* How do we avoid running out of toy names?" 04:30:52 The answer is even better! "Make Pixar do a new movie with more characters." 04:35:28 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 04:35:29 "Pestle" is a cool word 04:35:30 not the world's coolest word, of course. But cool nontheless 04:35:30 so, what's the world's most phenomic word? 04:35:39 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 04:35:58 oh, fine, leave why don't you 04:36:13 sbp has left #swhack 05:16:15 redmonk (~steve@ip68-2-192-160.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #swhack 05:16:46 redmonk is now known as rm 05:17:48 Wow. 05:17:57 "Are you aware that it takes well over a week of pure build time on a reasonable machine[1] to recompile all the architecture dependent packages in main?" 05:19:45 bah, who cares about reasonable machines? 05:20:04 heh, it was a 1Ghz machine. wanna donate some crazy IBM machine to the project? ;) 05:22:06 forget about donating machines, the grid is the future of IBM 05:22:12 Oh, right. 05:22:26 Is IBM a member of the Grid Global Domination Forum? 05:22:34 oh yeah 05:22:41 IBM loves Grid Global Domination 05:22:45 why? 05:22:53 wouldn't they sell less machines? 05:22:53 I don't know 05:23:10 hi wmf 05:23:14 , asw 05:23:17 howdy 05:23:21 heelo 05:24:08 the server market is pretty weird 05:24:26 Yeah. I think HP has grid fever too. 05:24:26 people can't get enough of $1M machines, and even mainframe sales are up 05:24:26 .google Grid Global Domination Forum 05:24:27 Grid Global Domination Forum: http://www.cheatchannel.com/cheat/g.htm 05:24:33 .google grid global forum 05:24:35 grid global forum: http://www.gridforum.org 05:24:57 thx 05:25:23 I totally zoned out during the grid presentation in tempe, and then it turned out to be important 05:25:40 Oops. 05:27:49 wow, I'm looking at some ad claiming that oracle can save me from having to write *166 lines of code* compared to IBM 05:28:17 no way! i'm switching now 05:29:01 yeah, can you believe it? that must be a 5000% different in ROI! 05:30:06 of course I was tempting fate with my HTP topic 05:30:19 now the DG will probable devolve into a CSS flamewar 05:30:30 Heh, did it happen after that Robb quote? 05:30:42 what? 05:30:54 you had that Robb/OmniWeb/CSS quote 05:31:02 oh, that's true 05:31:22 I totally forgot about that 05:31:29 so my topic isn't even correct 05:31:31 Heh. 05:33:06 gotta do laundry, later 05:33:27 wmf has quit ("wmf has no reason") 05:37:11 aaron: i read the whole "plex day 0" log today 05:37:21 Oh, I hope it wasn't too painful. 05:37:21 on plexdev.org 05:37:27 no, why? 05:37:33 heh. 05:37:34 i thought it was interesting 05:37:39 Cool. 05:38:30 yeah 05:38:49 gave sbp a killer query that hangs eep too. ;-) 05:39:09 heh, cool 05:39:22 yeah 05:39:32 even cwm took 5 seconds on it 05:39:43 .dns plexdev.org 05:39:43 plexdev.org - 209.216.14.47 05:39:44 it's like 6 triples 05:39:49 Wow. 05:39:57 let me look it up 05:40:06 .dns plexnow.com 05:40:06 plexnow.com - 209.216.14.47 05:40:15 .dns www.plexnow.com 05:40:15 www.plexnow.com - 209.216.14.47 05:40:21 .dns www.plexdev.org 05:40:22 www.plexdev.org - 209.216.14.26 05:41:33 >>> uq = parse('?trk .\n\ 05:41:33 ... ?trk ?trkStruct .\n\ 05:41:33 ... ?trkStruct ?has ?prop .\n\ 05:41:33 ... ?prop ?partStruct .\n\ 05:41:33 ... ?partStruct ?otherProp ?anonLine .\n\ 05:41:34 ... ?anonLine ?lineText .') 05:42:02 the store was the lyrics to World Leader Pretend ;-) 05:42:16 oh, well. 05:45:55 rm has quit ("well, back to packing...") 05:55:42 ugh: Apache/1.3.22 Server at bogus_host_without_reverse_dns Port 80 05:59:11 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 05:59:58 thass better 06:00:27 * sbp just blogged something on DNN 06:00:42 not quite sure if Morbus is going to like it yet 06:02:04 Heh. 06:02:17 Hmm: "disobeycom.posts²¸?Šô¸?ŠômBIN’??d" 06:02:29 wherezat from? 06:02:48 front page of disobey.com 06:02:54 you should get yourself a name, sbp: 06:03:00 by in "Stalkers O' Morbus" at permalink 06:03:20 ah, right 06:03:33 MT screwed up, I think. I emailed Morbus about it already 06:04:38 i'm off now. nytol. 06:04:42 c'ya 06:34:23 is it better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all? 08:00:21 tansaku has quit (Excess Flood) 08:01:21 tansaku1a (~sam@h131-215.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 09:01:16 sbp- (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:01:30 sbp has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:02:11 sbp- is now known as sbp 09:25:43 tekno (tekno@rrcs-se-24-129-161-94.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack 09:26:07 tekno has left #swhack 09:35:10 sbp has quit ("Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.2") 09:41:33 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 09:43:29 sbp has quit (Client Quit) 09:50:35 AaronSw has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10:52:19 tansaku1a has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:40:49 tansaku1a (~sam@h131-215.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 12:36:58 deltab has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:37:39 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 12:54:39 tansaku1a has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:38:25 tansaku1a (~sam@h131-215.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 13:52:03 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 14:12:08 xena is now known as xena` 14:26:16 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 15:05:29 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 16:22:10 [Global Notice] Hi all. Reminder to Linux hackers: the Ottawa Linux Symposium CFP deadline is March 1st. Heavy hackers are encouraged to submit proposals, details at http://www.linuxsymposium.org/. Thanks. 16:33:00 tansaku1a has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:07:41 sbp (sbp@m600-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 17:08:29 * sbp wonders what happened to Vorpal 17:08:40 AaronSw (~Snak@12-249-96-16.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 17:09:03 * sbp wonders what happened to Vorpal 17:09:03 *** AaronSw has joined #swhack 17:09:10 Heh. 17:09:15 Just was reading that in the logs. 17:09:21 :- 17:09:23 :-) 17:09:29 The router connecting it to the Internet seems to have blown. 17:09:40 Our host is looking into it. 17:09:50 Eek 17:10:24 All your email to me will be returned with a sticker that says "DELTAB WUZ HERE" 17:10:34 lol 17:10:42 ? 17:11:03 Heh, just kidding. 17:11:47 It'll probably be spooled on mu2 until vorpal comes back up. 17:14:17 xena` is now known as xena 17:17:49 goddamit. 17:17:57 look at all these comments that i missed cos my stupid window didn't flash. 17:18:22 oh. nothing exciting 17:27:36 * Morbus plops a naked picture into sbp's box. 17:30:22 oh, there you are 17:30:37 Pff, if I had known you were on IRC... 17:30:50 * sbp is eating chips at the mo' 17:31:53 heh. 17:32:00 just plopped more porno in there. 17:32:37 lol @ Draining Creativity 17:32:53 :) 17:33:04 it was originally Straining, but then i realized that's the wrong end :) 17:33:40 heh! quite 17:34:11 ugh - if I'm not reading your emails, attending to your blog, or generally managing your life for you, I'm talking to you on IRC 17:34:38 then again, you do deliver fresh pron to my inbox daily 17:35:16 well, not quite daily. Actually, email from you is like email from Mr. Gershwin. Rather unexpected 17:35:19 managing my life. heh. 17:35:31 gershwin? 17:35:42 George 17:36:25 he's a famous composer... a late famous composer. I'd be *very* surprised to get email from him 17:36:48 but stranger things have happened 17:40:31 ah. 17:55:35 tansaku1a (~sam@h131-215.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack 17:58:49 wendy (chisholm@24-6-192.wireless.lcs.mit.edu) has joined #swhack 17:59:12 hey wendy 17:59:19 hey there. 18:00:10 * sbp waves 18:00:15 hello 18:08:28 wendy is now known as wendyout 18:11:09 GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack 18:22:20 sbp- (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 18:23:54 AaronSw- (~Snak@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 18:25:57 SeanP (sbp@m165-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack 18:27:41 sbp has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: sbp-!~sean@63.149.73.20))) 18:27:44 sbp- is now known as sbp 18:27:56 SeanP has quit (Client Quit) 18:30:01 there are two many AaronSw's in this room. i feel like i'm in preschool. 18:30:13 preschool? 18:30:17 ooh, vorpal must be back 18:30:41 AaronSw has quit ("bye") 18:31:10 AaronSw- is now known as AaronSw 18:31:15 * sbp was using it long ago... :-) 18:32:02 deltab has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 18:32:03 pf, thanks for telling me 18:32:13 i was too busy reading AG's story 18:32:50 deltab (deltab@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #swhack 18:32:51 http://kode-fu.com/shame/codecon/stagette.html 18:33:03 and trying to find the history of "When I was at X camp..." 18:34:15 heh:- 18:34:16 [[[ 18:34:17 She wore a shimmering party dress, white feather boa and penis-shaped antennae holding a flashing dildo approached me. 18:34:17 Even for me, this was kind of unusual. 18:34:17 ]]] 18:34:40 heh! 18:34:59 AG has many great accordian stories 18:38:36 "The DNA Lounge has urinals from the future! By "future," I mean "prison"." 18:38:56 lol 18:39:51 man, that's an awesome ATM! 18:39:56 it says: 18:39:57 -- 18:39:58 THE U.S. CONSTITUTION 18:39:58 ISN'T PERFECT, 18:39:58 BUT IT'S A LOT BETTER 18:39:58 THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. 18:39:59 -- 18:40:59 .acronym ATM 18:41:16 .deltab acronym ATM? 18:42:09 ATM: Asynchronous Transfer Mode (broadband switching and transmission technology), Automated Teller Machine, Able Toast Master (now Advanced Toastmaster), Abstinence 'Till Marriage, Acetone Toluene Methanol, Addicted To Music, Adobe Type Manager, Advanced TEMPEST Microcomputer, Advanced Test Module, Advanced Testing Mode, Advanced Toastmaster (formerly Able Toastmaster), Advanced Traffic Mapping, 18:42:09 Advanced Trauma Management, Aerosol Trajectory Model, Air Target Materials, Air Targeting Mode (military radar), Air Traffic Management, Air Turbine Motor, Airborne Thematic Mapper, Aircrew Training Manual 18:42:45 yep, that is an awesome Able Toast Master! 18:46:14 it's a box you stick plastic into and money comes out 18:46:48 that's a bizarre ATM, in that case 18:46:54 Swhack: Makes "To Go" Sleek and Easy! 18:47:03 cf. http://order.tupperware.com/pls/htprod_www/coe$www.show_item_detail?fv_item_number=10045230000 18:47:40 [and BTW, we do call them ATM machines over 'ere too] 18:48:32 except in the us they give you dead trees, not advice 18:48:50 they don't give advice over 'ere either 18:49:18 they give you dead trees with bits of foil in them, and pain on 'em - far better 18:50:06 so, I realized th' by putting apostrophies in my sentences, I could save myself a few bytes a day 18:50:36 but it only works when you replace more than one char' per apos' 18:50:57 of course, it's trad. to put periods on abbrev. things 18:51:22 yes 18:56:40 they call them advice slips, it seems 18:57:22 Ooh! Look at this: 18:57:25 "CMG says many of the colors in 2002 will go redder, the exception being in the blue family. Blue is trending towards green, and with a strong movement to bring the blues and greens closer together (i. e., greener blues and bluer greens)." 18:57:37 - http://www.colormarketing.org/visitors/color_forecasting/vis_2002_consumer_col_cur.htm 18:58:06 that's wonderful news! 18:58:47 I told you the plex website should go redder 18:59:00 this is the year of the rosa rosa! 19:02:44 woo! gerald is 31337! 19:03:34 DDiego (~Disidents@62-36-150-131.dialup.uni2.es) has joined #swhack 19:03:58 DDiego has left #swhack 19:06:12 AaronSw: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106746 19:06:16 expanded 10.1.3 release notes. 19:06:23 Nice. 19:13:27 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 19:13:30 wendyout is now known as wendy 19:14:43 gotta run soon 19:36:02 wendy is now known as wendyout 19:52:12 wendyout is now known as wendy 20:45:13 MPEG Licensing: "I know this email may sound like a canned response, but since you took the time to write to us and others who wrote us raised similar concerns, we wanted to get back to you (and the others) to explain the situation." 21:08:55 Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 21:23:34 @ http://www.apple.com/easier/ 21:23:42 B: Apple - Easier from AaronSw 21:23:52 B:|Apple: Everything's easier on a Mac 21:23:54 titled item B 21:23:59 B:|Apple: Everything is easier on a Mac 21:23:59 titled item B 21:24:13 B::via [Overheard|http://www.rightonmac.com/articles/02/02/15-overheard.html] 21:24:13 commented item B 21:30:18 * sbp returns from watching a great new Friends 21:33:14 sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection) 21:33:29 sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack 21:33:49 ? 21:34:09 that was odd 21:34:11 slight Vorpal burp there, perhaps 21:40:18 Dive Into Mark's Accessibility Statement: http://diveintomark.org/archives/archive-022002.html#21 21:42:10 How much does copyright cost? $57,078M according to Zimrad. 21:42:13 http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/022002.html 22:25:26 funny, i just read winterspeak. 22:25:29 man, i'm old. 22:25:39 dnn rocks. bunny survival tests posted and a yahoo error. 22:33:23 Morbus? 22:33:26 http://web.archive.org/web/20020221143424/http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/p/nm/20020214/ts/mdf131954.html 22:33:42 I love the Web archive 22:34:01 i should probably edit with that cached link too. 22:34:48 done. 22:40:53 wendy has quit ("...sunny days, sweeping the clouds away...") 22:51:01 chumpster has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:51:23 tav` has quit () 22:53:03 Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/") 22:53:47 where are they all going? 22:54:35 chumpster (~chumpster@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #swhack 22:54:53 perhaps to a rival swhack 22:54:59 .google rival swhack 22:55:00 rival swhack: http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/2001-11-27.txt 22:55:20 I wonder if there's any two word combination with swhack that doesn't point to a #swhack related thing? 22:55:49 .google swhack duster 22:55:50 swhack duster: http://lwf58.tripod.com/fan_fiction/wun-wong/staying/staying03.htm 22:55:55 there you go 22:56:03 we'll have to try harder... 22:58:27 heh:- 22:58:27 [[[ 22:58:28 Aaron Swartz et al publish the Swhack Weblog, which has cool stuff in it (like this about the fanciful Radio mug. But the coolest thing is it's published with an IRC bot. 22:58:38 ]]] - http://markpasc.org/blog/2002/01/14.html#71414AM 22:58:50 er... http://markpasc.org/blog/2002/01/14.html#70707AM rather 23:16:48 Morbus (~Morbus@s123.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack 23:22:49 logster, grep apple.com/ 23:25:01 I'm logging. I found 56 answers for 'apple.com/' (showing 0...4) 23:25:02 0) 2002-02-21 23:22:49 logster, grep apple.com/ 23:25:03 1) 2002-02-21 21:23:34 @ http://www.apple.com/easier/ 23:25:04 2) 2002-02-21 19:06:12 AaronSw: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106746 23:25:05 3) 2002-02-13 18:38:55 @ http://www.apple.com/hardware/ads/newimac.html 23:25:06 4) 2002-02-08 03:13:11 well, this doesn't help, but is good to know: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/BootingLogin/The_Boot_Sequence.html 23:25:20 logster, grep "apple.com/" 23:25:49 I'm logging. I found 1 answer for '"apple.com/"' 23:25:50 0) 2002-02-21 23:25:20 logster, grep "apple.com/" 23:26:03 oh, great... now it'll be hung for about a year 23:26:03