IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-18

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00:04:31 [sbp]
wow, Python must be working really fast, because time() should give different times:-
00:04:34 [sbp]
$ python -c "import time; print time.time()"; python -c "import time; print time.time()"
00:04:34 [sbp]
1013990668.31
00:04:34 [sbp]
1013990668.53
00:05:01 [sbp]
.time
00:05:01 [xena]
2002/02/18 00:06:29.8331 Universal
01:31:42 [jeremiah]
AaronSw: networking code is coming along well
01:31:54 [jeremiah]
I sorta have to bootstrap it..
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02:17:49 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw returns
02:17:50 [AaronSw]
hey cool
02:18:39 [jeremiah]
hey
02:19:00 [jeremiah]
about to go to bed
02:19:01 [jeremiah]
I think
02:19:05 [AaronSw]
k
02:19:13 [AaronSw]
feel free to put the code up if you want me to take a look at it
02:19:24 [jeremiah]
thinking of that
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02:29:34 [jeremiah]
AaronSw: just mailed code to me@aaronsw.com
02:29:40 [AaronSw]
cool
02:30:41 [jeremiah]
I'm going to go do homework
02:30:45 [jeremiah]
email me any questions or anything
02:30:49 [AaronSw]
Ok, c'ya.
02:30:56 [jeremiah]
feel free to mess around with it
02:31:11 [AaronSw]
Philip Greenspun (via Kragen): "Computers are the tools of the devil. It is as simple as that. There is no monotheism strong enough that it cannot be shaken by Unix or any Microsoft product. The devil is real. He lives inside C programs."
02:31:21 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is away: I'm busy
02:33:03 [AaronSw]
notes for jerimiah:
02:33:21 [AaronSw]
- subclassing and modularization is your friend
02:33:37 [AaronSw]
- in python, if statements don't need ()s
02:35:29 [AaronSw]
hm, didn't know about contains
02:35:33 [sbp]
they don't in Java either, I note
02:35:44 [AaronSw]
really? that's surprising
02:35:47 [AaronSw]
err __contains__
02:35:55 [AaronSw]
- don't need both has_key and __contains__ on same class
02:36:08 [sbp]
Hmm... at least, I think they don't. They don't need "{}", that's for sure
02:36:50 [AaronSw]
- everything is a boolean. in other words:
02:36:50 [AaronSw]
if x: return 1
02:36:50 [AaronSw]
else: return 0
02:36:50 [AaronSw]
can be simplified into:
02:36:50 [AaronSw]
return x
02:37:16 [jeremiah]
hmm
02:37:20 [jeremiah]
(back, for a second)
02:37:24 [AaronSw]
hey
02:37:31 [jeremiah]
I had __contains__ and for some reason has_key wasn't working
02:37:32 [jeremiah]
so I had to add it in
02:37:45 [sbp]
Hmph: '(' expected. I was wrong
02:37:48 [AaronSw]
yeah, contains doesn't give you has_key
02:37:53 [AaronSw]
it lets you do:
02:37:57 [AaronSw]
x in objectWithContains
02:38:01 [jeremiah]
oh
02:38:20 [jeremiah]
I also have subclasses where I thought necessary
02:38:27 [jeremiah]
where do you think I should have them where I don't?
02:38:45 [AaronSw]
yeah, i guess i was wrong about that
02:38:57 [AaronSw]
i just expected things to be in a separate file
02:39:13 [jeremiah]
i though about subclassing node into the proxys, but then there might be some methods of node you don't want to be public
02:39:17 [jeremiah]
oh, sorry about that
02:39:48 [AaronSw]
not public: ah, good point.
02:40:09 [AaronSw]
hmm, I didn't know Option-Delete worked in Mac OS X.
02:41:20 [jeremiah]
most of that code should do you fairly well, if we add the option to set the port to run the server on as an argument to the server class, then we can start up several of them on different ports inside of one scrip
02:41:23 [jeremiah]
script*
02:41:24 [AaronSw]
hmm, overall it looks really good, jeremiah
02:41:35 [jeremiah]
thanks
02:41:37 [AaronSw]
yeah, adding the port would be good
02:41:50 [sbp]
ooh, I didn't know about this:-
02:41:51 [sbp]
>>> '%8s' % 'blargh'
02:41:51 [sbp]
' blargh'
02:42:00 [jeremiah]
also need to find a way to shutdown the server easily, and multi-thread it
02:42:08 [AaronSw]
what's the 8 do?
02:42:19 [jeremiah]
fits it to 8 spaces
02:42:20 [sbp]
makes the string length==8
02:42:24 [sbp]
yeah
02:42:25 [AaronSw]
ah, cool.
02:42:40 [AaronSw]
what do you mean by shut it down easily?
02:42:45 [jeremiah]
I looked around
02:42:48 [AaronSw]
i think multithreading is more trouble than it's worth
02:42:52 [jeremiah]
and couldn't find a way to end the look serve_forever()
02:42:56 [jeremiah]
s/look/loop
02:43:04 [jeremiah]
so when you want to shut it down
02:43:05 [AaronSw]
you hit C-c, as i recall
02:43:07 [jeremiah]
you have to kill it
02:43:08 [AaronSw]
:-)
02:43:11 [jeremiah]
yeah
02:43:14 [jeremiah]
but then it won't free up the port
02:43:19 [AaronSw]
really?
02:43:21 [jeremiah]
so next time you want that port it says "port already in use"
02:43:24 [jeremiah]
yep
02:43:27 [AaronSw]
that's a python bug
02:43:28 [jeremiah]
from expirience I speak
02:43:36 [jeremiah]
oh
02:43:40 [AaronSw]
because i know of apps that do not do that on shutdown
02:43:43 [jeremiah]
hmm
02:43:58 [jeremiah]
we could probably hack it in
02:44:01 [jeremiah]
w/semaphores
02:44:02 [jeremiah]
or something
02:44:02 [AaronSw]
It's probably hidden somewhere in SimpleXMLRPCServer
02:44:15 [AaronSw]
.google SimpleXMLRPCServer
02:44:15 [xena]
SimpleXMLRPCServer: http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-SimpleXMLRPCServer.html
02:44:16 [jeremiah]
I've had it happen with other xmlrpc implementations too
02:44:17 [jeremiah]
in python
02:44:20 [AaronSw]
odd.
02:44:28 [jeremiah]
anyways, seeya
02:44:34 [AaronSw]
I've seen it happen with other HTTP servers, but not with Mnet or Peerkat.
02:44:40 [jeremiah]
oh
02:44:40 [AaronSw]
c'ya jer. thanks again
02:44:41 [jeremiah]
hmm
02:44:44 [jeremiah]
you're welcome
02:45:02 [AaronSw]
oh. i didn't know SimpleXMLRPCServer was in the standard module. cool
02:45:27 [jeremiah]
they took the client-side from one company and the server side from another
02:45:42 [AaronSw]
yeah, weird.
02:45:58 [jeremiah]
it's sort of odd
02:45:59 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is gone for real now
02:47:03 [AaronSw]
odd.
02:47:17 [AaronSw]
on my machine it works the first time, gives an error the second time, and works the third time
02:47:28 [AaronSw]
and repeats
02:47:41 [AaronSw]
that sounds fishy to me
02:48:02 [AaronSw]
and it doesn't seem to be doing anything strange to socketserver
02:51:35 [AaronSw]
yeah. SocketServer.TCPServer(('',8001), '').serve_forever() exibits the same behavior
02:52:31 [AaronSw]
sounds like a circular reference to me
02:52:44 [AaronSw]
but that wouldn
02:52:49 [AaronSw]
but that wouldn't explain jer's problem
02:53:16 [AaronSw]
running that on the shell works fine.
03:02:26 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.mojonation.net/
03:02:51 [chumpster]
A: http://www.mojonation.net/ from AaronSw
03:03:06 [sbp]
* sbp plays The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy)
03:03:08 [AaronSw]
A:|MojoNation shuts down
03:03:09 [chumpster]
titled item A
03:03:13 [sbp]
shuts down???
03:03:17 [AaronSw]
A::Enterprise backup client coming soon.
03:03:18 [chumpster]
commented item A
03:03:36 [AaronSw]
A::All the hackers can use [mnet|http://mnet.sourceforge.net/] instead.
03:03:37 [chumpster]
commented item A
03:03:56 [AaronSw]
yeah, mccoy pulled the plug
03:04:32 [sbp]
You're right though: there's always mnet :-)
03:05:04 [AaronSw]
well, there wasn't until friday
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03:53:32 [carter.openprojects.net]
topic is: the device talks to you, is solar powered, and teaches you how to use it to link to the Web.
03:53:32 [carter.openprojects.net]
Users on #swhack: logster sbp AaronSw xena kmacleod deltab chumpster deus_x jeremiah
03:53:40 [AaronSw]
ok, fess up
03:55:30 [sbp]
?
03:55:30 [sbp]
ah, this may have borked it: <sbp> grep -i 1-50 Google.*Search
03:55:30 [sbp]
I'm trying to find that damn script again
03:55:30 [sbp]
the one that turns pages into search keywords... argh!
03:57:09 [sbp]
* sbp continues to grep
04:01:45 [sbp]
aha: http://dlp.cs.berkeley.edu:8080/cgi-bin/hchen/computesignature.pl
04:02:03 [sbp]
* sbp grepped for google, and mailed the results to himself
04:02:21 [sbp]
then went through the list, and the #swhack archives
04:02:48 [AaronSw]
Heh.
04:03:47 [sbp]
.google swhack html nounism
04:03:48 [xena]
swhack html nounism: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp
04:04:06 [AaronSw]
heh
04:04:15 [sbp]
wow, a Googlewhack for "swhack nounism"!
04:04:17 [sbp]
.google swhack nounism
04:04:20 [xena]
swhack nounism: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp
04:04:32 [AaronSw]
sure it's easy when you use made-up words ;)
04:04:41 [sbp]
swhack: 736; nounism: 8
04:04:48 [sbp]
yeah...
04:05:00 [sbp]
Pff: 5888
04:05:23 [sbp]
I seem to be on a Googlewhack mailing list somehow. That's quite bizarre
04:05:35 [AaronSw]
"Purple Moon: Racism, sexism, and nounism."
04:05:40 [AaronSw]
Really? That's cool.
04:06:02 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw watches the lounge set up for the fetish ball
04:06:21 [sbp]
[[[
04:06:22 [sbp]
Since the passive requires an auxiliary form of “to be,” excessive use of "is," "are," “was," and “were” usually results in an outbreak of the passive voice, and it also causes another problem: nominalization, sometimes called “nounism.”
04:06:27 [sbp]
]]] - http://jac.gsu.edu/jac/6/Articles/13.htm
04:06:40 [sbp]
fetish ball?
04:07:06 [AaronSw]
yeah
04:07:12 [sbp]
stop inseminating our logs with sleazy pornographic phrases like "fetish ball"!
04:07:26 [AaronSw]
But it's the truth!
04:07:34 [sbp]
.google "fetish ball"
04:07:35 [xena]
"fetish ball": http://www.fetishball.com
04:08:18 [AaronSw]
notice how that site is owned by esp?
04:08:31 [sbp]
Swank?
04:08:50 [AaronSw]
tonight is slick, i think
04:10:19 [sbp]
I should use "nominalization" really. What a dork be I.
04:10:31 [AaronSw]
oh come on
04:10:35 [AaronSw]
then you'd ruin the profile
04:10:55 [sbp]
well, I can exsplurge a gefnimerous new word
04:11:06 [sbp]
you know: in its stead
04:11:14 [AaronSw]
it would still break the link
04:11:31 [sbp]
what link?
04:11:45 [AaronSw]
the robust hyperlink via google
04:11:47 [sbp]
googlekeywords:blargh+smeg+feck?
04:12:10 [AaronSw]
it's more like google.com/search?btnI=1&q=blargh+smeg+feck
04:12:18 [AaronSw]
mine are html swhack psuedonymity logicerror bittorrent df4b blogspace d13f aaronsw annotea
04:12:23 [AaronSw]
.google html swhack psuedonymity logicerror bittorrent df4b blogspace d13f aaronsw annotea
04:12:24 [xena]
no results found.
04:12:26 [AaronSw]
heh
04:12:41 [AaronSw]
.google swhack psuedonymity
04:12:41 [xena]
swhack psuedonymity: http://www.aaronsw.com
04:12:42 [sbp]
not cached yet?
04:12:46 [sbp]
ooh, neat
04:12:50 [sbp]
.google sbp
04:12:51 [xena]
sbp: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp
04:12:52 [AaronSw]
yeah, i guess not
04:12:54 [sbp]
ooh!
04:12:58 [AaronSw]
.google swhack
04:12:58 [xena]
swhack: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog
04:13:14 [sbp]
.google aaron
04:13:15 [xena]
aaron: http://www.aaronsw.com
04:13:17 [sbp]
we rock!
04:13:28 [AaronSw]
.google sean
04:13:29 [xena]
sean: http://www.hannity.com
04:13:31 [AaronSw]
.google palmer
04:13:31 [xena]
palmer: http://www.palmer.edu
04:13:33 [AaronSw]
.google sean b.
04:13:34 [xena]
sean b.: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp
04:13:37 [sbp]
what URIs: google:sbp, google:aaron, google:swhack
04:13:42 [AaronSw]
.google sean p.
04:13:42 [xena]
sean p.: http://singbluesilver.manilasites.com
04:13:50 [AaronSw]
heh, you're "Sean B."
04:14:00 [sbp]
Pff
04:14:33 [AaronSw]
.google zooko blogdex
04:14:34 [xena]
zooko blogdex: http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog
04:14:42 [AaronSw]
.google rdfig tansaku
04:14:43 [xena]
rdfig tansaku: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2001-12-22.html
04:14:48 [AaronSw]
Hm.
04:14:49 [sbp]
neatoid
04:14:51 [sbp]
.google neatoid
04:14:52 [xena]
neatoid: http://www.cheezrulez.com/CATS/catstermsofuse.html
04:15:09 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw emails H. Chen for the code
04:18:49 [sbp]
.google koans contrariwise
04:18:49 [xena]
koans contrariwise: http://www.purl.org/net/sbp
04:18:54 [sbp]
now that's a sign of class
04:19:26 [sbp]
why does it feck about with www.purl.org instead of purl.org, though?
04:20:31 [AaronSw]
hm
04:21:25 [AaronSw]
well, you link to it 2190 times: http://supportmacslashnow@www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=link%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.purl.org%2Fnet%2Fsbp%2F
04:21:43 [AaronSw]
oh. hmm
04:22:10 [AaronSw]
i guess it just adds in the www. automatically
04:23:23 [AaronSw]
no, it seems to be based on the redirects... odd
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04:40:02 [sbp]
* sbp wonders if the 80-character test should be a 7 word test
04:40:09 [sbp]
or both would be good
04:40:22 [AaronSw]
80-char test?
04:40:27 [sbp]
More people should do it. There could be a site or a mailing list or something
04:40:43 [sbp]
yeah, the 80-char test. "Your ad to the world here"
04:41:04 [sbp]
or rather: "%80s" % "Your ad to the world here"
04:41:05 [AaronSw]
Ah.
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04:41:47 [sbp]
then again, you'll have the "what constitutes a word?" problem. 80-chars is probably more sensible
04:41:57 [sbp]
although then you have the "what constitutes a char" problem...
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04:42:37 [AaronSw]
tansaku2, please, get a dircproxy instance
04:42:51 [AaronSw]
let us _help_ you :)
04:44:01 [sbp]
Aaron, why is xena not bridging #plex?
04:47:28 [sbp]
heh, heh:-
04:47:30 [sbp]
<redmonk> aren't standards great?
04:47:30 [sbp]
<sbp> only when I write them
04:47:46 [sbp]
aaaaaah
04:51:39 [AaronSw]
todo list time...
04:52:05 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw adds "Learn to program in C"
04:52:10 [AaronSw]
.google eep sbp
04:52:10 [xena]
eep sbp: http://www.unifem.undp.org/curr0400.htm
04:52:19 [AaronSw]
.google eep sean b.
04:52:20 [xena]
eep sean b.: http://amatsu.blogspot.com
04:52:22 [AaronSw]
.google eep sean b. palmer
04:52:23 [xena]
eep sean b. palmer: http://www.isr.umd.edu/~jwh2/publications.html
04:52:26 [AaronSw]
.google eep rdf
04:52:26 [xena]
eep rdf: http://www.linuxfreak.org/xdesktops.php?offset=12
04:52:31 [AaronSw]
i'm not having luck
04:52:34 [AaronSw]
.google eep.py
04:52:35 [xena]
eep.py: http://download.hao.ucar.edu/d5/events/mk3/1995/95d247/sub/images/image22
04:52:40 [AaronSw]
.google infomesh eep
04:52:41 [xena]
infomesh eep: http://ilrt.org/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2001-06-11
04:52:59 [sbp]
heh, heh
04:53:27 [sbp]
"The Elusive Eep"
04:53:36 [AaronSw]
I'm feeling better now, but not well enough to tackle the great Eep-PlexRDF unification
04:53:58 [sbp]
I can mail you the bridge script, if you want. Or put it on the Web
04:54:23 [AaronSw]
I'm more interested in looking at the Eep API.
04:54:31 [AaronSw]
Maybe we can do go a great RDF API unification
04:54:38 [AaronSw]
to go along with http://infomesh.net/2002/n3qname.html
04:54:54 [AaronSw]
you should chump that in rdfig
04:55:25 [sbp]
Rainy windowsill | But there is no rain today | This haiku is borked
04:55:30 [sbp]
I have chumped it
04:55:41 [AaronSw]
Oh.
04:56:01 [AaronSw]
Radio has expired. I know no news. I am glad.
04:56:37 [sbp]
news overwhelming, was it?
04:57:36 [AaronSw]
More like time-wasting.
04:57:45 [sbp]
* sbp starts work on a Grand RDF API Unification Theory
04:57:57 [sbp]
GRAUT for short
04:58:09 [sbp]
heh. Cool acronym
04:58:12 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw sends large quantities of gratitude sbp's way
04:58:47 [sbp]
I'll probably just end up porting the fecking thing to PlexRDF. You're going to disown me otherwise, aren't you?
04:59:00 [AaronSw]
How'd you guess?
04:59:21 [AaronSw]
or we'll end up porting PlexRDF to Eep...
04:59:29 [sbp]
I doubt that
04:59:55 [AaronSw]
Let's see... DanC-Desperate-Perl, SWAP, Redfoot, Redland, PlexRDF, 4RDF, TRAMP/SPARTA
05:00:41 [AaronSw]
Oh, and Eep.
05:01:23 [sbp]
TRAMP/SPARTA?
05:01:30 [AaronSw]
You probably have several others too.
05:01:38 [AaronSw]
Yeah, that's the OO<->RDF thingy
05:02:16 [sbp]
ah
05:02:29 [sbp]
several others: SWIPT
05:03:24 [AaronSw]
oh, right.
05:03:44 [sbp]
but Eep kicks its arse
05:07:26 [tansaku2]
tansaku2 is now known as tansaku
05:14:55 [sbp]
that Jack and Jill thing *does* seem a bit iffy to me
05:15:22 [sbp]
'cause, like, I was wondering if they were twins or not. Obviously not identical twins
05:15:32 [AaronSw]
huh?
05:15:49 [sbp]
but then someone said to me that there might be something... you know... "going on"
05:16:18 [sbp]
but I couldn't recall that from the nursery rhyme. Well, the pail of water thing seems like a bit of a false pretense to me
05:16:30 [sbp]
but apart from that, it's all innocent, isn't it?
05:16:58 [sbp]
well, there are some, shall we say, "variations" on the theme. But I tend to discredit them
05:17:12 [sbp]
after all, there are quite a few strange people in the world
05:17:40 [sbp]
anyway, I'm losing interest in this conversation now. Get lost
05:18:32 [sbp]
cf. "Jack & Jill file $10,000,000 lawsuit after hillside fall" and "Jack & Jill...pail of water???.....Riiiight!" in http://taglines.sloppycode.net/?l=K&offset=7
05:19:00 [sbp]
I wonder what the etymology of the modern English "confer" is?
05:20:08 [sbp]
In the non-adverbal sense, that is...
05:21:34 [AaronSw]
The NIH has a second verse to "jack and jill" i've not heard before: http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/jackjill.htm
05:22:49 [sbp]
aha: """ETYMOLOGY: Latin cnferre : com-, com- + ferre, to bring; see bher-1 in Appendix I.""" - http://www.bartleby.com/61/92/C0559200.html
05:22:55 [sbp]
Good ol' Bartleby
05:23:08 [AaronSw]
Awfully sad story.
05:23:17 [AaronSw]
.google bartleby the scrivener
05:23:18 [xena]
bartleby the scrivener: http://www.bartleby.com/129
05:25:26 [AaronSw]
I better sleep. Laters.
05:25:54 [sbp]
c'ya
05:25:56 [sbp]
The act of categorizing stuff really sucks. Sometimes I just want to cat *.htm* *.txt, bung it on the Web and say, "there you go"
05:25:59 [sbp]
Gotta run
05:26:55 [AaronSw]
categorizing is bad if it's exclusive/hierarchical
05:26:57 [AaronSw]
classifying isn't so bad.
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13:55:53 [AaronSw]
Heh! the "for Advisory Comittee" is really quite clever.
14:04:59 [AaronSw]
EFF News Update: "Barney's Attack Lawyers Still on the Loose; EFF Looking for other Victims of the Purple Dinosaur"
14:06:15 [AaronSw]
"We thought Barney wasn't SUPPOSED to scare people."
14:07:09 [AaronSw]
Lessig holds benefit dinners and $500 a head. Hm.
14:27:59 [AaronSw]
Cool, Al agrees with me on uris vs. urirefs
14:30:50 [AaronSw]
Jakob Nielsen: "the actual Winter Olympics site seems the least likely, since its focus is apparently on promoting JavaScript."
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14:47:48 [deltab]
haha: Wall Street Journal: Web-Page Woes - access requires paid subscription
14:47:57 [AaronSw]
Heh.
14:49:07 [AaronSw]
i guess i have a paid subscription
14:50:50 [AaronSw]
Hmm, NN/g has changed asktog.com's design from weird to just plain confusing.
14:57:51 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw is away: school
14:57:51 [AaronSw]
bye
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* iBitsko wonders if Aaron is just cleaning out his inbox ;)
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18:49:12 [AaronSw]
Heh. iBitsko was close.
18:53:08 [AaronSw]
Hm: http://www.turbulence.org/Works/nums/prepare.html
19:04:12 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/
19:04:17 [chumpster]
B: Eastgate Tinderbox: the tool for notes from AaronSw
19:04:35 [AaronSw]
B::It's shipping!
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commented item B
19:12:24 [AaronSw]
Cool: http://www.trainingmag.com/training/reports_analysis/feature_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1307771
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20:27:15 [jeremiah]
hi
20:30:34 [AaronSw]
hey there
20:30:42 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah nods to AaronSw
20:30:58 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw wonders what to do with himself
20:31:06 [AaronSw]
I've been feeling so burnt-out lately.
20:31:12 [jeremiah]
oh
20:31:40 [jeremiah]
do something other than programming
20:31:41 [AaronSw]
I can think of what to do but I can't get myself to do it.
20:31:42 [jeremiah]
take up running
20:32:06 [AaronSw]
Hm. Well, I've got to do some logic homework.
20:32:13 [jeremiah]
oh
20:32:21 [jeremiah]
you have a class based on logic?
20:32:27 [AaronSw]
Running would certainly be interesting.
20:32:32 [AaronSw]
class: yeah.
20:32:41 [jeremiah]
Alan Turing was a world-class marathoner
20:32:46 [jeremiah]
exercise strengthens the brain
20:33:07 [jeremiah]
i heard that said about chess players
20:33:10 [jeremiah]
heh
20:33:15 [AaronSw]
I'm not so sure about that...
20:33:24 [jeremiah]
well, they check to see if they are taking steroids
20:33:32 [AaronSw]
Heh, heh
20:33:40 [jeremiah]
because something that makes your body perform well can make your mind perform well
20:33:50 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I can believe that.
20:34:08 [AaronSw]
I can also believe that the focus and dopamine from exercise can help you concentrate better.
20:34:34 [jeremiah]
you'll learn to zone out when running in the same way you can zone out when programming
20:34:49 [AaronSw]
But I think that lots of plain exercise makes you dumber, at least in my experience.
20:35:11 [AaronSw]
But it wears off pretty quickly.
20:35:20 [jeremiah]
hmm
20:35:36 [jeremiah]
what do you mean by plain exercise makes you dumber?
20:35:46 [jeremiah]
right AFTER running I'm not thinking straight
20:36:15 [AaronSw]
yeah.
20:36:29 [jeremiah]
that goes away after about 15 minutes now
20:36:38 [jeremiah]
I can run for an hour and be ready to do other stuff in about 15
20:36:54 [AaronSw]
It's definitely something you have to balance.
20:37:00 [jeremiah]
yeah
20:37:10 [jeremiah]
but it will definatly help you in the long run
20:37:15 [jeremiah]
do you exercise regularly at all now?
20:37:47 [AaronSw]
I do a lot of walking, but it's too cramped to run indoors and too cold to do much outdoors.
20:37:52 [AaronSw]
I try to bike whenever I can too.
20:38:09 [jeremiah]
oh yeah, you live in illinois
20:38:13 [jeremiah]
I suppose it is pretty cold there
20:38:21 [jeremiah]
it just got warm enough again here to run in a tshirt
20:38:24 [AaronSw]
Wow.
20:38:27 [jeremiah]
I think I'm gonna go do that, it makes me so happy
20:38:34 [AaronSw]
heh
20:38:40 [jeremiah]
I get a serious chemical high from running
20:38:42 [jeremiah]
you see
20:38:59 [AaronSw]
yeah, that's natural
20:39:17 [jeremiah]
yeah
20:39:20 [jeremiah]
it's still cool though
20:42:40 [AaronSw]
yeah, there's still snow on the ground here.
20:43:11 [jeremiah]
hmm
20:43:16 [jeremiah]
well running on a treadmill is not fun at all
20:43:24 [jeremiah]
I can attest to this
20:43:33 [AaronSw]
Heh, and it hurts if you're not careful.
20:43:37 [jeremiah]
yes it does
20:45:34 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is away: running, ahahahahahahaha
21:11:05 [sbp]
* sbp just had a surprise visit from Stu
21:24:38 [AaronSw]
Cool.
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* sbp attempts to tab some Bach
21:42:11 [rillian]
tab? isn't that a diet softdrink from the 70's?
21:42:29 [AaronSw]
Heh, it's still around. My cousins drink it.
21:43:18 [AaronSw]
@ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/18/technology/18SONG.html?pagewanted=print
21:43:21 [chumpster]
C: Register at NYTimes.com from AaronSw
21:43:35 [AaronSw]
C:|Record Labels' Answer to Napster Still Has Artists Feeling Bypassed
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titled item C
21:43:39 [AaronSw]
C::Irony.
21:43:40 [chumpster]
commented item C
22:23:01 [jeremiah]
AaronSw: chord-like system on /.
22:23:05 [jeremiah]
called 'The circle'
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