00:24:40 <jeremiah> hello
00:35:23 <sbp> Hi J
00:35:46 <sbp> * sbp was going over some old mail from "this day one year ago", and found some EARL and SWAG stuff
01:38:52 <AaronSw> hey J. wanna work on networking code? ;)
01:40:32 <AaronSw> J = jeremiah
01:43:58 <jeremiah> hey
01:44:06 <jeremiah> that got my little blue tab to light up
01:44:15 <jeremiah> (that wasn't some euphamism for my brain, talking about xchat)
01:44:27 <jeremiah> sure, not sure how good I'll be at networking code, but sure
01:56:21 <AaronSw> cool! i was thinking something simple like xmlrpc would be easy
01:59:25 <jeremiah> I thought you had a problem with xmlrpc and it making stuff stall
01:59:29 <jeremiah> if it didn't get a response
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02:01:32 <AaronSw> i do, but stalling the whole project is even worse. :0
02:01:38 <jeremiah> yeah
02:02:49 <jeremiah> are we pretty far along in having everything else done?
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02:03:31 <AaronSw> well, most of the stuff that doesn't depend on that.
02:03:38 <jeremiah> yeah
02:05:16 <jeremiah> networking code would be part of the 'chord' part, so what I really have to do is build the networking infrastructure where you have all the stuff for chord that currently doesn't actually newtork
02:05:17 <jeremiah> right?
02:05:51 <AaronSw> right
02:06:18 <jeremiah> ok cool
02:06:22 <jeremiah> have you checked everything in?
02:06:28 <AaronSw> I've got [My Code] -functionCall-> [your code] -XML-RPC-> [your code] -> [My Code]
02:06:42 <jeremiah> ok
02:07:10 <jeremiah> such as self.f.pred.notify() would be -functionCall->
02:07:16 <AaronSw> rught
02:07:17 <AaronSw> err right
02:07:34 <AaronSw> ok, committing chord/network.py which is my first knock at this
02:07:44 <jeremiah> ok
02:08:02 <AaronSw> done: initial revision: 1.1
02:09:50 <jeremiah> cool
02:10:30 <jeremiah> I've got homework to do and a shower to take, but I'll definatly work on this stuff over the weekend
02:11:16 <AaronSw> great. thanks, man
02:11:57 <jeremiah> is there a debian module for sha 512?
02:12:41 <jeremiah> hmm, I have that module for python2.1, but not 2.2
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02:14:17 <AaronSw> hm, there's a link for it in the code.
02:14:33 <AaronSw> in utils/crypto.py
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02:14:51 <AaronSw> oops, that's not checked in either.
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02:18:05 <jeremiah> ok, got sha working, now for bed, seeya
02:18:06 <jeremiah> * jeremiah is back (gone 48:57:31)
02:18:09 <jeremiah> err, 
02:18:12 <jeremiah> * jeremiah is away: sleep
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05:05:00 <sbp> Gotta run
06:04:45 <AaronSw> whoa, the aliens are back.
06:04:52 <AaronSw> this time i saw blinking lights in the sky
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08:32:01 <AaronSw> two xenas?
08:32:03 <AaronSw> .time pst
08:32:03 <xena> Feb. 15, 2002 12:33 am US/Pacific
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08:34:13 <AaronSw> ugh, cuz of the time change school starts at the same time codecon does.
08:34:50 <AaronSw> that means zooko is on at 11:30 which gives me 30 min to get home
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13:42:44 <kham> hello all
13:42:48 <kham> hello sbp
13:42:54 <kham> hello Aaron
14:13:15 <AaronSw> wish me luck
14:13:18 <AaronSw> * AaronSw disconnects
14:30:02 <kham> I wish you the best of lucks Aaron
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15:34:06 <kmacleod> wow!  I got a MMF spam addressed to me, and Aaron, and LisaRein and Guha, etc.!
15:34:57 <kmacleod> poll's up to 9to1
15:38:05 <AaronSw> MMF spam?
15:38:20 <AaronSw> looks like luck came thru eventually :)
15:41:00 <AaronSw> oh, make money fast
15:41:26 <kmacleod> ya
15:43:15 <kmacleod> back to admin:generatorAgent,
15:44:10 <kmacleod> does <admin:generatorAgent rdf:about="URI"/> make contextual sense?  iirc from last discussion, that means
15:44:24 <kmacleod>   URI a admin:generatorAgetn .
15:44:25 <kmacleod> no?
15:45:13 <kmacleod> in contrast to <admin:generatorAgent rdf:resource="URI"/> that means
15:45:25 <kmacleod>   admin:generatorAgent URI .
15:56:30 <kham> I got a pre-law student to manage our legal contracts with DoubleDay and such book printers who will ship books ordered from our site directly to customers
15:57:20 <kham> our site is "blogspace" type site, of course, please?
15:58:34 <kham> sbp and Aaron: you can either incorporate under your companies, or I have JoysALL,Inc. already incorporated with www.joysall.com reserved. We can do it there if you two want
15:58:54 <kham> with 3 CEOs: sbp, Aaron and me.
15:59:15 <AaronSw> kmacleod, need context
15:59:22 <AaronSw> probably won't work
15:59:26 <AaronSw> gotta run, sorry
15:59:50 <kham> our company idea won't work? 
15:59:57 <AaronSw> that was to ken
16:00:03 <kham> oh, great
16:00:09 <AaronSw> bye
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16:19:07 <kham> well, I just talked with my faculty advisor and he pointed out that amazon.com is already doing this
16:19:18 <kham> so, book seller is no go
16:19:55 <kham> but we are still a team in search of an application?
16:20:06 <kham> hello tansaku
16:20:10 <kham> hello tansaku2
16:20:22 <kham> just speaking for myself, welcome
16:26:19 <tansaku> hello kham
16:27:32 <kham> hello tansaku, sorry I was just walking around chatting with profs here
16:27:51 <kham> how's life tansaku
16:27:52 <tansaku> not a problem - are there profs here?
16:28:18 <kham> i'm at University of Wisconsin Milwaukee- School of Information Studies
16:28:35 <kham> we have our own computer lab with 20 computers
16:28:36 <tansaku> life is good - I'm slightly drunk - it's 1:30am here in Tokyo and I'm considering how much water I should drink before going to sleep
16:29:05 <kham> how about if you just walk around or stay up for awhile.
16:29:16 <kham> if you go to sleep now your head will spin
16:29:43 <kham> and i have never tried drinking water while drunk
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16:30:05 <tansaku> well I was just thinking of fixing some software errors I didn't have time to get to earlier today
16:30:05 <kham> if you do so you will just be drunk with a bloated stomach
16:30:25 <tansaku> so what are you doing at the school of information studies?
16:30:25 <kham> well, i know very very little about softwares
16:30:31 <kham> but you are in luck
16:30:45 <kham> all the others in this room are software experts
16:30:51 <kham> so ask away 
16:31:06 <kham> studying to be a librarian
16:32:17 <tansaku> why do you want to be a librarian
16:32:44 <tansaku> * tansaku doesn't really have any software questions - he thinks he knows how to solve the current problems - he just needs to do it
16:33:21 <kham> 1. to get a job, 2. to know where to get information to answer a particular question
16:34:18 <tansaku> 1. fair enough
16:34:26 <tansaku> 2. hmm
16:35:09 <tansaku> do librarians know where to get information to answer a particular question? I'm not sure
16:35:31 <tansaku> however I run a project called neurogrid that is all about trying to get information about particular questions
16:35:52 <kham> go to ipl.org > Reference > Ask a reference question > reference form . and you can pose a question and get answer back from a librarian within 3 days
16:36:27 <kham> hmmm, neurogrid, librarians cannot answer that technical question
16:36:37 <tansaku> http://www.ipl.org/
16:36:52 <kham> but try anyways, what can we lose. librarians love challenges
16:37:24 <kham> for one, a science librarian will answer yourquestion
16:37:38 <tansaku> 3 days sounds a little slow - I like to get an answer within about 3 seconds
16:37:49 <kham> not ipl.org, sorry
16:44:29 <tansaku> no?
16:46:10 <kham> nope, that's the extent i can help you. i am a technical neophyte when it comes to that, sorry
16:46:45 <kham> if you will pose your technical question, maybe the technical experts in here will help you
16:47:38 <tansaku> I don't have a technical question - I think I've fixed my problem - hold on a sec and I'll show you ...
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16:49:43 <tansaku> hey kham, this is my friend neb
16:49:55 <tansaku> neb, do you know a url related to neurogrid?
16:49:55 <neb> let's see...
16:49:55 <neb> http://www.neurogrid.net/servlet/com.neurogrid.prime.NewsServlet?news_id=329
16:50:19 <neb> I need to talk to someone
16:50:25 <tansaku> neb: I know
16:50:25 <neb> alrighty then
16:50:58 <tansaku> neb is a bot, and not a very sophisticated one at that - but he is plugged into a database so you can query him
16:51:07 <tansaku> neb, do you know a url related to language?
16:51:08 <neb> let's see...
16:51:08 <neb> http://www.amristar.com.au/~hutch/megahal/How.html
16:51:20 <tansaku> yeah, that's a cool like
16:51:28 <tansaku> like --> link
16:51:42 <tansaku> neb: http://www.amristar.com.au/~hutch/megahal/How.html
16:51:43 <neb> the associated keywords are...
16:51:43 <neb> MEGAHAL HAL bot chatterbot NLP langage processing turing test eliza Loebner prize test Geek language Speech chat 
16:52:46 <tansaku> anyway, we don't want to bore the good profs of swhack with neb so I'll take him away
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16:53:18 <kham> hello wendyout
16:53:22 <wendyout> wendyout is now known as wendy
16:53:26 <wendy> hello
16:53:27 <kham> hello wendy
16:53:30 <wendy> :)
16:53:43 <kham> how are you today?
16:53:55 <wendy> great. and you?
16:54:07 <kham> alert
16:54:22 <kham> and chatty
16:54:44 <wendy> :)
16:54:53 <kham> it is great weather here in Milwaukee with 40s temperature
16:55:14 <wendy> milwaukee? i used to live in madison.
16:55:32 <kham> i lived up there for one semester when I went to UW-Madison
16:55:52 <kham> the campus is too large over a mile square
16:56:13 <kham> UW-Milwaukee campus is 2 blocks by 2 blocks
16:56:41 <kham> everyone meet for events at UWM-Union
16:57:43 <kham> tonight there is "Vagina Monologues" which the organizer invited us all to attend
16:58:01 <kham> maybe i can meet pretty chicks there, hehe
17:23:13 <wendy> :)
17:23:49 <AaronSw> hi wendy
17:23:59 <wendy> hey there
17:49:24 <sbp> * sbp waves
17:50:18 <AaronSw> hey sbp
17:53:17 <sbp> Hi there
17:53:26 <sbp> * sbp catches up from the logs
17:53:36 <sbp> and tries to get everything done before The Simpsons
17:56:51 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: CodeCon! CodeCon! CodeCon! [Stay tuned...]
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18:13:31 <AaronSw> * AaronSw goes to catch his train
18:18:03 <sbp> * sbp waves again
18:18:19 <sbp> Olympic Grandstand: no Simpsons on BB2 today
18:18:25 <sbp> s/BB2/BBC2/
18:19:54 <sbp> * sbp goes to join dc-accessibility
18:20:30 <sbp> heh: "What is the relationship between accessibility (W3C's ERL?) descriptions and DC descriptions?" - http://dublincore.org/groups/access/
18:20:49 <sbp> ooh, and: "Should ERL schemata be recommended?"
18:20:50 <sbp> I'm not sure if they mean "EARL" or not, but probably
18:24:01 <sbp> Hmm... jiscmail uses GET when it should use POST. That's a rarity :-)
18:25:45 <sbp> Confirming:
18:25:45 <sbp> > SUBSCRIBE DC-ACCESSIBILITY Sean B. Palmer
18:25:45 <sbp> You have been added to the DC-ACCESSIBILITY list.
18:30:11 <sbp> ah, I should have read on a little: "The following image shows the process whereby a web resource can be tested for accessibility, and how ERL (the W3C Evaluation and Repair Language) might be used to capture the semantics of such a report."
18:30:41 <sbp> * sbp checks out http://dublincore.org/groups/access/erl.JPG
18:30:58 <sbp> Hmph: an SVG version would be nice. Something like that would be fun to linearize
18:35:59 <sbp> ugh, more behind-closed-doors stuff at http://www.imsproject.org/
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20:00:08 <AaronSw> jwz summarizes the dna lounge situation: <jwz> so basically, everything's fucked.
20:07:12 <sbp> * sbp writes a cool new song without really even trying
20:10:40 <sbp> * sbp times it
20:10:46 <sbp> .time
20:12:28 <sbp> .time
20:13:02 <sbp> 20:10:46 <sbp> .time
20:13:02 <sbp> 20:12:28 <sbp> .time
20:13:04 <sbp> 1:42
20:13:10 <sbp> a bit short
20:13:25 <sbp> but put a bridge in the middle, make the intro longer... should be alright
20:23:11 <sbp> * sbp sends an introduction to DC-Accessibility
20:25:58 <AaronSw> * AaronSw blogs http://www.newyorker.com/FICTION/?020128fi_fiction
20:36:52 <AaronSw> * AaronSw blogs codecon: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000166
20:40:18 <AaronSw> and i haven't even told you about my day ;)
20:51:46 <AaronSw> .time pst
20:52:06 <AaronSw> hm, where's xena
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20:52:40 <AaronSw> .time pst
20:52:40 <xena> Feb. 15, 2002 12:54 pm US/Pacific
20:52:45 <AaronSw> urghleblurghle
21:48:08 <sbp> * sbp sends a rant to DC-Accessibility
21:48:45 <sbp> ah: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0202&L=dc-accessibility&F=&S=&P=417
21:49:10 <AaronSw> heh, nice url
21:49:39 <sbp> yeah... ugh
21:49:54 <AaronSw> kragen went to dnalounge last night, but he's not going to code con. hum
21:51:43 <sbp> what time zone is SD in?
21:52:07 <AaronSw> SD?
21:52:19 <AaronSw> lol: "bkuhn says that if you are associated with any group that can pay airfare for a speaker, he can come to where you live and give a speech and meet you."
21:52:22 <sbp> South Dakota
21:52:30 <AaronSw> when i find that gropu, they're paying for my airfare first!
21:52:35 <sbp> .time CST
21:52:35 <xena> Feb. 15, 2002 3:54 pm US/Central
21:52:45 <AaronSw> sd is est, i think
21:53:32 <sbp> it's -6
21:53:47 <sbp> .time EST
21:53:47 <xena> Feb. 15, 2002 4:55 pm US/Eastern
21:54:04 <sbp> Gotta run
22:04:15 <jeremiah> hello
22:07:25 <jeremiah> south dakota is central
22:07:29 <jeremiah> it's mountain time in the west
22:08:36 <AaronSw> hi
22:08:51 <jeremiah> hey
22:18:44 <jeremiah> going to be slightly more interesting to test this code on a network...
22:18:51 <jeremiah> that is, than on a single machine
22:19:01 <jeremiah> just read over the node class though
22:19:50 <AaronSw> yeah
22:20:41 <jeremiah> I think the real way to test it is to actually get a network started
22:20:51 <jeremiah> that is, not to create a single 'fake' network inside one test script
22:37:21 <sbp> * sbp decides that he doesn't like the term "equivalent alternatives"
22:37:40 <sbp> since they're not at all equivalent in the DAML sense. They have some type of lesser equivalence relationship
22:40:43 <AaronSw> jeremiah, indeed.
22:40:49 <AaronSw> but that's called a "simulator" for a reason
22:41:38 <jeremiah> yeah
22:42:03 <jeremiah> sbp: I think the US Supreme Court would agree with you on that
22:53:59 <jeremiah> AaronSw: are all of the methods for the Node class supposed to be public?
22:54:14 <AaronSw> not necessarily
22:54:20 <AaronSw> just the ones that it calls on other nodes
22:54:27 <jeremiah> yeah
22:54:42 <jeremiah> right now we really don't seem to have many though
22:54:44 <jeremiah> digging around
22:54:52 <AaronSw> yeah, should be pretty small
22:55:10 <sbp> what're you guys working on?
22:55:15 <jeremiah> networking code
22:55:18 <AaronSw> for pychord
22:55:29 <sbp> Mmmkay
22:56:00 <sbp> * sbp is a bit out of touch
22:56:22 <jeremiah> hmm
22:56:48 <jeremiah> most of these shouldn't be public
22:56:55 <jeremiah> but of course we do need inter-node communication
22:57:30 <jeremiah> also gonna have to do something about passing those node objects through xmlrpc
22:57:34 <jeremiah> I doubt that'll work at all
23:01:25 <AaronSw> gotta run
23:01:39 <jeremiah> yeah, I will be out until later tonight
23:03:18 <AaronSw> node objects: just convert them to node identifers
23:03:21 <AaronSw> not hard
23:03:27 <jeremiah> yeah
23:03:51 <jeremiah> back later tonught
23:03:54 <jeremiah> * jeremiah is back (gone 20:45:42)
23:04:19 <jeremiah> * jeremiah is away: back tonight