IRC log of swhack on 2002-02-15

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00:24:40 [jeremiah]
hello
00:35:23 [sbp]
Hi J
00:35:46 [sbp]
* sbp was going over some old mail from "this day one year ago", and found some EARL and SWAG stuff
01:38:52 [AaronSw]
hey J. wanna work on networking code? ;)
01:40:32 [AaronSw]
J = jeremiah
01:43:58 [jeremiah]
hey
01:44:06 [jeremiah]
that got my little blue tab to light up
01:44:15 [jeremiah]
(that wasn't some euphamism for my brain, talking about xchat)
01:44:27 [jeremiah]
sure, not sure how good I'll be at networking code, but sure
01:56:21 [AaronSw]
cool! i was thinking something simple like xmlrpc would be easy
01:59:25 [jeremiah]
I thought you had a problem with xmlrpc and it making stuff stall
01:59:29 [jeremiah]
if it didn't get a response
02:01:10 [tansaku]
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02:01:32 [AaronSw]
i do, but stalling the whole project is even worse. :0
02:01:38 [jeremiah]
yeah
02:02:49 [jeremiah]
are we pretty far along in having everything else done?
02:03:14 [tansaku2]
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02:03:31 [AaronSw]
well, most of the stuff that doesn't depend on that.
02:03:38 [jeremiah]
yeah
02:05:16 [jeremiah]
networking code would be part of the 'chord' part, so what I really have to do is build the networking infrastructure where you have all the stuff for chord that currently doesn't actually newtork
02:05:17 [jeremiah]
right?
02:05:51 [AaronSw]
right
02:06:18 [jeremiah]
ok cool
02:06:22 [jeremiah]
have you checked everything in?
02:06:28 [AaronSw]
I've got [My Code] -functionCall-> [your code] -XML-RPC-> [your code] -> [My Code]
02:06:42 [jeremiah]
ok
02:07:10 [jeremiah]
such as self.f.pred.notify() would be -functionCall->
02:07:16 [AaronSw]
rught
02:07:17 [AaronSw]
err right
02:07:34 [AaronSw]
ok, committing chord/network.py which is my first knock at this
02:07:44 [jeremiah]
ok
02:08:02 [AaronSw]
done: initial revision: 1.1
02:09:50 [jeremiah]
cool
02:10:30 [jeremiah]
I've got homework to do and a shower to take, but I'll definatly work on this stuff over the weekend
02:11:16 [AaronSw]
great. thanks, man
02:11:57 [jeremiah]
is there a debian module for sha 512?
02:12:41 [jeremiah]
hmm, I have that module for python2.1, but not 2.2
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02:14:17 [AaronSw]
hm, there's a link for it in the code.
02:14:33 [AaronSw]
in utils/crypto.py
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02:14:51 [AaronSw]
oops, that's not checked in either.
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02:18:05 [jeremiah]
ok, got sha working, now for bed, seeya
02:18:06 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is back (gone 48:57:31)
02:18:09 [jeremiah]
err,
02:18:12 [jeremiah]
* jeremiah is away: sleep
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05:05:00 [sbp]
Gotta run
06:04:45 [AaronSw]
whoa, the aliens are back.
06:04:52 [AaronSw]
this time i saw blinking lights in the sky
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08:32:01 [AaronSw]
two xenas?
08:32:03 [AaronSw]
.time pst
08:32:03 [xena]
Feb. 15, 2002 12:33 am US/Pacific
08:32:03 [_xena_]
Feb. 15, 2002 12:33 am US/Pacific
08:34:13 [AaronSw]
ugh, cuz of the time change school starts at the same time codecon does.
08:34:50 [AaronSw]
that means zooko is on at 11:30 which gives me 30 min to get home
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13:42:40 [kham]
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13:42:44 [kham]
hello all
13:42:48 [kham]
hello sbp
13:42:54 [kham]
hello Aaron
14:13:15 [AaronSw]
wish me luck
14:13:18 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw disconnects
14:30:02 [kham]
I wish you the best of lucks Aaron
15:33:17 [kmacleod]
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15:34:06 [kmacleod]
wow! I got a MMF spam addressed to me, and Aaron, and LisaRein and Guha, etc.!
15:34:57 [kmacleod]
poll's up to 9to1
15:38:05 [AaronSw]
MMF spam?
15:38:20 [AaronSw]
looks like luck came thru eventually :)
15:41:00 [AaronSw]
oh, make money fast
15:41:26 [kmacleod]
ya
15:43:15 [kmacleod]
back to admin:generatorAgent,
15:44:10 [kmacleod]
does <admin:generatorAgent rdf:about="URI"/> make contextual sense? iirc from last discussion, that means
15:44:24 [kmacleod]
URI a admin:generatorAgetn .
15:44:25 [kmacleod]
no?
15:45:13 [kmacleod]
in contrast to <admin:generatorAgent rdf:resource="URI"/> that means
15:45:25 [kmacleod]
admin:generatorAgent URI .
15:56:30 [kham]
I got a pre-law student to manage our legal contracts with DoubleDay and such book printers who will ship books ordered from our site directly to customers
15:57:20 [kham]
our site is "blogspace" type site, of course, please?
15:58:34 [kham]
sbp and Aaron: you can either incorporate under your companies, or I have JoysALL,Inc. already incorporated with www.joysall.com reserved. We can do it there if you two want
15:58:54 [kham]
with 3 CEOs: sbp, Aaron and me.
15:59:15 [AaronSw]
kmacleod, need context
15:59:22 [AaronSw]
probably won't work
15:59:26 [AaronSw]
gotta run, sorry
15:59:50 [kham]
our company idea won't work?
15:59:57 [AaronSw]
that was to ken
16:00:03 [kham]
oh, great
16:00:09 [AaronSw]
bye
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16:19:07 [kham]
well, I just talked with my faculty advisor and he pointed out that amazon.com is already doing this
16:19:18 [kham]
so, book seller is no go
16:19:55 [kham]
but we are still a team in search of an application?
16:20:06 [kham]
hello tansaku
16:20:10 [kham]
hello tansaku2
16:20:22 [kham]
just speaking for myself, welcome
16:26:19 [tansaku]
hello kham
16:27:32 [kham]
hello tansaku, sorry I was just walking around chatting with profs here
16:27:51 [kham]
how's life tansaku
16:27:52 [tansaku]
not a problem - are there profs here?
16:28:18 [kham]
i'm at University of Wisconsin Milwaukee- School of Information Studies
16:28:35 [kham]
we have our own computer lab with 20 computers
16:28:36 [tansaku]
life is good - I'm slightly drunk - it's 1:30am here in Tokyo and I'm considering how much water I should drink before going to sleep
16:29:05 [kham]
how about if you just walk around or stay up for awhile.
16:29:16 [kham]
if you go to sleep now your head will spin
16:29:43 [kham]
and i have never tried drinking water while drunk
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16:30:05 [tansaku]
well I was just thinking of fixing some software errors I didn't have time to get to earlier today
16:30:05 [kham]
if you do so you will just be drunk with a bloated stomach
16:30:25 [tansaku]
so what are you doing at the school of information studies?
16:30:25 [kham]
well, i know very very little about softwares
16:30:31 [kham]
but you are in luck
16:30:45 [kham]
all the others in this room are software experts
16:30:51 [kham]
so ask away
16:31:06 [kham]
studying to be a librarian
16:32:17 [tansaku]
why do you want to be a librarian
16:32:44 [tansaku]
* tansaku doesn't really have any software questions - he thinks he knows how to solve the current problems - he just needs to do it
16:33:21 [kham]
1. to get a job, 2. to know where to get information to answer a particular question
16:34:18 [tansaku]
1. fair enough
16:34:26 [tansaku]
2. hmm
16:35:09 [tansaku]
do librarians know where to get information to answer a particular question? I'm not sure
16:35:31 [tansaku]
however I run a project called neurogrid that is all about trying to get information about particular questions
16:35:52 [kham]
go to ipl.org > Reference > Ask a reference question > reference form . and you can pose a question and get answer back from a librarian within 3 days
16:36:27 [kham]
hmmm, neurogrid, librarians cannot answer that technical question
16:36:37 [tansaku]
http://www.ipl.org/
16:36:52 [kham]
but try anyways, what can we lose. librarians love challenges
16:37:24 [kham]
for one, a science librarian will answer yourquestion
16:37:38 [tansaku]
3 days sounds a little slow - I like to get an answer within about 3 seconds
16:37:49 [kham]
not ipl.org, sorry
16:44:29 [tansaku]
no?
16:46:10 [kham]
nope, that's the extent i can help you. i am a technical neophyte when it comes to that, sorry
16:46:45 [kham]
if you will pose your technical question, maybe the technical experts in here will help you
16:47:38 [tansaku]
I don't have a technical question - I think I've fixed my problem - hold on a sec and I'll show you ...
16:49:24 [neb]
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16:49:43 [tansaku]
hey kham, this is my friend neb
16:49:55 [tansaku]
neb, do you know a url related to neurogrid?
16:49:55 [neb]
let's see...
16:49:55 [neb]
http://www.neurogrid.net/servlet/com.neurogrid.prime.NewsServlet?news_id=329
16:50:19 [neb]
I need to talk to someone
16:50:25 [tansaku]
neb: I know
16:50:25 [neb]
alrighty then
16:50:58 [tansaku]
neb is a bot, and not a very sophisticated one at that - but he is plugged into a database so you can query him
16:51:07 [tansaku]
neb, do you know a url related to language?
16:51:08 [neb]
let's see...
16:51:08 [neb]
http://www.amristar.com.au/~hutch/megahal/How.html
16:51:20 [tansaku]
yeah, that's a cool like
16:51:28 [tansaku]
like --> link
16:51:42 [tansaku]
neb: http://www.amristar.com.au/~hutch/megahal/How.html
16:51:43 [neb]
the associated keywords are...
16:51:43 [neb]
MEGAHAL HAL bot chatterbot NLP langage processing turing test eliza Loebner prize test Geek language Speech chat
16:52:46 [tansaku]
anyway, we don't want to bore the good profs of swhack with neb so I'll take him away
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16:53:18 [kham]
hello wendyout
16:53:22 [wendyout]
wendyout is now known as wendy
16:53:26 [wendy]
hello
16:53:27 [kham]
hello wendy
16:53:30 [wendy]
:)
16:53:43 [kham]
how are you today?
16:53:55 [wendy]
great. and you?
16:54:07 [kham]
alert
16:54:22 [kham]
and chatty
16:54:44 [wendy]
:)
16:54:53 [kham]
it is great weather here in Milwaukee with 40s temperature
16:55:14 [wendy]
milwaukee? i used to live in madison.
16:55:32 [kham]
i lived up there for one semester when I went to UW-Madison
16:55:52 [kham]
the campus is too large over a mile square
16:56:13 [kham]
UW-Milwaukee campus is 2 blocks by 2 blocks
16:56:41 [kham]
everyone meet for events at UWM-Union
16:57:43 [kham]
tonight there is "Vagina Monologues" which the organizer invited us all to attend
16:58:01 [kham]
maybe i can meet pretty chicks there, hehe
17:23:13 [wendy]
:)
17:23:49 [AaronSw]
hi wendy
17:23:59 [wendy]
hey there
17:49:24 [sbp]
* sbp waves
17:50:18 [AaronSw]
hey sbp
17:53:17 [sbp]
Hi there
17:53:26 [sbp]
* sbp catches up from the logs
17:53:36 [sbp]
and tries to get everything done before The Simpsons
17:56:51 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has changed the topic to: CodeCon! CodeCon! CodeCon! [Stay tuned...]
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18:13:31 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw goes to catch his train
18:18:03 [sbp]
* sbp waves again
18:18:19 [sbp]
Olympic Grandstand: no Simpsons on BB2 today
18:18:25 [sbp]
s/BB2/BBC2/
18:19:54 [sbp]
* sbp goes to join dc-accessibility
18:20:30 [sbp]
heh: "What is the relationship between accessibility (W3C's ERL?) descriptions and DC descriptions?" - http://dublincore.org/groups/access/
18:20:49 [sbp]
ooh, and: "Should ERL schemata be recommended?"
18:20:50 [sbp]
I'm not sure if they mean "EARL" or not, but probably
18:24:01 [sbp]
Hmm... jiscmail uses GET when it should use POST. That's a rarity :-)
18:25:45 [sbp]
Confirming:
18:25:45 [sbp]
> SUBSCRIBE DC-ACCESSIBILITY Sean B. Palmer
18:25:45 [sbp]
You have been added to the DC-ACCESSIBILITY list.
18:30:11 [sbp]
ah, I should have read on a little: "The following image shows the process whereby a web resource can be tested for accessibility, and how ERL (the W3C Evaluation and Repair Language) might be used to capture the semantics of such a report."
18:30:41 [sbp]
* sbp checks out http://dublincore.org/groups/access/erl.JPG
18:30:58 [sbp]
Hmph: an SVG version would be nice. Something like that would be fun to linearize
18:35:59 [sbp]
ugh, more behind-closed-doors stuff at http://www.imsproject.org/
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20:00:08 [AaronSw]
jwz summarizes the dna lounge situation: <jwz> so basically, everything's fucked.
20:07:12 [sbp]
* sbp writes a cool new song without really even trying
20:10:40 [sbp]
* sbp times it
20:10:46 [sbp]
.time
20:12:28 [sbp]
.time
20:13:02 [sbp]
20:10:46 <sbp> .time
20:13:02 [sbp]
20:12:28 <sbp> .time
20:13:04 [sbp]
1:42
20:13:10 [sbp]
a bit short
20:13:25 [sbp]
but put a bridge in the middle, make the intro longer... should be alright
20:23:11 [sbp]
* sbp sends an introduction to DC-Accessibility
20:25:58 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw blogs http://www.newyorker.com/FICTION/?020128fi_fiction
20:36:52 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw blogs codecon: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000166
20:40:18 [AaronSw]
and i haven't even told you about my day ;)
20:51:46 [AaronSw]
.time pst
20:52:06 [AaronSw]
hm, where's xena
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.time pst
20:52:40 [xena]
Feb. 15, 2002 12:54 pm US/Pacific
20:52:45 [AaronSw]
urghleblurghle
21:48:08 [sbp]
* sbp sends a rant to DC-Accessibility
21:48:45 [sbp]
ah: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0202&L=dc-accessibility&F=&S=&P=417
21:49:10 [AaronSw]
heh, nice url
21:49:39 [sbp]
yeah... ugh
21:49:54 [AaronSw]
kragen went to dnalounge last night, but he's not going to code con. hum
21:51:43 [sbp]
what time zone is SD in?
21:52:07 [AaronSw]
SD?
21:52:19 [AaronSw]
lol: "bkuhn says that if you are associated with any group that can pay airfare for a speaker, he can come to where you live and give a speech and meet you."
21:52:22 [sbp]
South Dakota
21:52:30 [AaronSw]
when i find that gropu, they're paying for my airfare first!
21:52:35 [sbp]
.time CST
21:52:35 [xena]
Feb. 15, 2002 3:54 pm US/Central
21:52:45 [AaronSw]
sd is est, i think
21:53:32 [sbp]
it's -6
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.time EST
21:53:47 [xena]
Feb. 15, 2002 4:55 pm US/Eastern
21:54:04 [sbp]
Gotta run
22:04:15 [jeremiah]
hello
22:07:25 [jeremiah]
south dakota is central
22:07:29 [jeremiah]
it's mountain time in the west
22:08:36 [AaronSw]
hi
22:08:51 [jeremiah]
hey
22:18:44 [jeremiah]
going to be slightly more interesting to test this code on a network...
22:18:51 [jeremiah]
that is, than on a single machine
22:19:01 [jeremiah]
just read over the node class though
22:19:50 [AaronSw]
yeah
22:20:41 [jeremiah]
I think the real way to test it is to actually get a network started
22:20:51 [jeremiah]
that is, not to create a single 'fake' network inside one test script
22:37:21 [sbp]
* sbp decides that he doesn't like the term "equivalent alternatives"
22:37:40 [sbp]
since they're not at all equivalent in the DAML sense. They have some type of lesser equivalence relationship
22:40:43 [AaronSw]
jeremiah, indeed.
22:40:49 [AaronSw]
but that's called a "simulator" for a reason
22:41:38 [jeremiah]
yeah
22:42:03 [jeremiah]
sbp: I think the US Supreme Court would agree with you on that
22:53:59 [jeremiah]
AaronSw: are all of the methods for the Node class supposed to be public?
22:54:14 [AaronSw]
not necessarily
22:54:20 [AaronSw]
just the ones that it calls on other nodes
22:54:27 [jeremiah]
yeah
22:54:42 [jeremiah]
right now we really don't seem to have many though
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digging around
22:54:52 [AaronSw]
yeah, should be pretty small
22:55:10 [sbp]
what're you guys working on?
22:55:15 [jeremiah]
networking code
22:55:18 [AaronSw]
for pychord
22:55:29 [sbp]
Mmmkay
22:56:00 [sbp]
* sbp is a bit out of touch
22:56:22 [jeremiah]
hmm
22:56:48 [jeremiah]
most of these shouldn't be public
22:56:55 [jeremiah]
but of course we do need inter-node communication
22:57:30 [jeremiah]
also gonna have to do something about passing those node objects through xmlrpc
22:57:34 [jeremiah]
I doubt that'll work at all
23:01:25 [AaronSw]
gotta run
23:01:39 [jeremiah]
yeah, I will be out until later tonight
23:03:18 [AaronSw]
node objects: just convert them to node identifers
23:03:21 [AaronSw]
not hard
23:03:27 [jeremiah]
yeah
23:03:51 [jeremiah]
back later tonught
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* jeremiah is back (gone 20:45:42)
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* jeremiah is away: back tonight